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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace the Epstein files release. It's

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Speaker 1: a big hoax, Lies, lies, lies. Why won't Bondye release

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Speaker 1: the files? What is she hiding this? As Julain Maxwell

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Speaker 1: gives a statement to the Feds, it's nothing but a

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Speaker 1: pack of lies, including wait for it, that Jeffrey Epstein

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Speaker 1: couldn't sleep with adult women because of a heart condition.

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Speaker 1: This is while he is charged with sex trafficking miners.

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Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I want to

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. Now we've got the

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Speaker 2: administration telling us look the other way.

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Speaker 3: We got orange blobs, we got a guy who looks

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Speaker 3: like you know, he supposedly killed himself.

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Speaker 2: With orange paper towels. Please, there are probably.

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Speaker 3: Hundreds of people who need Jeffrey Epstein gone for multiple reasons.

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Speaker 1: There's so much happening in the Jeffrey Epstein case. He

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Speaker 1: is haunting us from the Great Beyond. Actually it's not

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Speaker 1: the Great Beyond. I know where he is. He's having

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Speaker 1: dinner with Satan tonight. That said, why can't we get

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Speaker 1: our miits on the Epstein files. Jelaine Maxwell, his hinch

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Speaker 1: person his bills above has been transferred to a cushy,

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Speaker 1: dormitory style jail. And she gives hours and hours of statements,

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Speaker 1: all of them a pack of lies. Is she trying

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Speaker 1: to curry favor, to pave the way to a pardon?

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Speaker 2: Well, speaking of her lies, I want you to hear

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Speaker 4: So there's been a lot of conversations about whether mister

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Speaker 4: Epstein can maintain, likey, a list.

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Speaker 5: Of people, like a book of of.

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Speaker 6: Famous people that he knew, like a it's called a

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Speaker 5: Client list or a list. Did you know of the

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Speaker 5: existence of any such list?

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Speaker 7: There is no list. We'll start with that. The genesis

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Speaker 8: I can actually trace for you from its absolute inception.

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Speaker 7: If that is what you're interested in.

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Speaker 5: First, you know to be sure there is no list.

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Speaker 5: There's no client list, nothing like that.

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Speaker 7: No, there's nothing you know that.

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Speaker 5: I'm obviously.

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Speaker 6: During the time that you were with mister Epstein, and

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Speaker 6: even in the two thousands when you were around less frequently,

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Speaker 6: you never observed or you never saw, any sort of

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Speaker 5: You know link to certain missus or anything like that.

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, no, there is no list. There is no I'm

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Speaker 8: not aware of any blackmail. I never heard, I never

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Speaker 1: Don't fall for that posh brit accent. There you hear

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Speaker 1: Gillai Maxwell swearing there is no client list.

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Speaker 2: What do we mean by client list?

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein had a world wide child trafficking ring, right

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Speaker 1: He flew little girls from all over the world, Turkey, France,

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Speaker 1: the stands to an island that we know of, where

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Speaker 1: ferried to a private island in the US Virgin Islands.

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Speaker 2: We have jurisdiction.

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Speaker 1: Now, why is there a parade of twelve year old

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Speaker 1: little girls going off ferries to Epstein's mansion, which is

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Speaker 1: and it's been documented, try to swim off the island

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Speaker 1: clients are the men that came to be with those children.

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Speaker 1: Now here Gilain Maxwell saying there is no such thing.

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Speaker 2: Well, guess what.

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Speaker 1: The US Attorney General, the US Attorney General for our

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Speaker 1: whole nation says, She's got the client list right there

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Speaker 9: Listen the DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey

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Speaker 5: Will that really happen?

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Speaker 2: It's sitting on my desk right now to review. That's

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Speaker 2: been a directive by President Trump. I'm going to need

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Speaker 1: That is from our friends at Fox News, our friend

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Speaker 1: John Roberts. Okay, Maxwell's saying there is no such thing,

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Speaker 2: Well, they haven't released it yet. What are they hiding?

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Speaker 2: And at the.

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Speaker 1: Core of this are little girls now adults still waiting

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Speaker 1: on justice at joining me where now it's psycho analyst

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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall, author of deal Breaker. You can see

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Speaker 1: her on Peacock and she is at Doctorbethany Marshall dot com.

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Speaker 1: You know, doctor Bethany, I have dealt with a lot

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Speaker 1: of child molestation victims, a lot of rape victims.

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Speaker 2: And yes, they grow up and if you were walking.

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Speaker 1: Down the street, you would know that they were any

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Speaker 1: different from everybody else, but they carry with them. It's

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Speaker 1: less when their own government covers.

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Speaker 3: Up Nancy to carry around profound shame and guilt. And

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Speaker 3: when I say shame, I'm talking about a deep, underlying

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Speaker 3: never trust again, and that there will never be reconciliation.

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Speaker 3: And in many ways these feelings are true, They're not

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Speaker 3: Dylan Maxwell says there's no little black book, Okay, there's

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Speaker 3: a purple book, Okay, there's a Rolodex.

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Speaker 2: You can't tell me there's.

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Speaker 3: Not a manifest that they had for the planes that

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Speaker 10: You can't tell me that.

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Speaker 3: Those billions in transfers to Russia had recipients, bank accounts,

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Speaker 3: people managing those accounts. These women who feel a shame

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Speaker 3: reason because we as a society is still we're still

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Speaker 3: playing into this sham. This think Gilan Maxwell is telling.

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Speaker 1: You know, the lies that she is spewing goes on

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Speaker 1: and on, and you know, let me go to a

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Speaker 1: fight with you just yet.

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Speaker 2: Troyce s Layton.

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Speaker 1: But I think you're gonna agree with me, Troy slaytnes

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Speaker 1: a lot of them. Troy, have you ever noticed that

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Speaker 1: when people are trying to tell a lie, I'm thinking

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Speaker 1: of defendants. You're probably gonna think of somebody else. But

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Speaker 1: and then they just keep talking, and the lie gets

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Speaker 2: They just have to elaborate, which I love. Have you

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Speaker 9: I think even the great author Shakespeare noticed it when

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Speaker 9: we may have seen that in action here during Glenn

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Speaker 1: Now Troy Slayton. Of course, not to split hairs or

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Speaker 1: parse words, but I believe I've corrected you on this

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Speaker 1: is not just women, Troy Slayton misogynists, and that is

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Speaker 1: from Hamlet just future reference actually keep saying it incorrectly,

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Speaker 1: So I can you.

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Speaker 2: Also review my Shakespeare? You do that in the meantime,

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Speaker 1: You're absolutely correct. They can't stop themselves. And I'm getting

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Speaker 1: back to Gilaine Maxwell. So she starts off with saying

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Speaker 1: there is no client list, what client is?

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 1: Now she goes into a lot of detail, brace yourself, Slaton.

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Speaker 8: So the original statement that Brad Edwards makes that's in

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Speaker 7: And ceraneously is that it's pieces of paper that Alfredo has.

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Speaker 8: It then morphs into something that Alfredo took a book

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Speaker 8: and then it morphed into the civil time for my

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Speaker 7: That was taken from my computer, and then.

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Speaker 8: It morphed into the some district of New York as

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Speaker 8: a combination list of minewn Epstein's that is a metamorphosis

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Speaker 8: through documents that you can trace.

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Speaker 1: What in the world is she trying to say, joining

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Speaker 1: me crime stories, investigative reporter Sydney Sumner.

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Speaker 2: Here is Gan Maxwell.

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Speaker 1: Why they move to a cushy, dormitory style jail. It's

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Speaker 1: not really even a jail, it's more like a camp.

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Speaker 1: Is she trying to cover for Trump or cover for Clinton?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe neither of those, but she's definitely

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Speaker 1: trying to get a pardon. And here she's saying, there

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Speaker 1: is no client list, There is no Little Black Book.

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Speaker 2: In other words, there are no John's. That's what we

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Speaker 2: call them on the street John's.

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Speaker 1: So she's trying to explain the genesis of the Little

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Speaker 2: And she's talking.

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Speaker 1: About someone named Alfredo Rodriguez. And isn't that Epstein's butler, Yes,

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Speaker 1: of course he had a butler.

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Speaker 2: Explain what she's saying, Sidney Sumner.

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Speaker 10: Right, So here she's saying that the purported client list

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Speaker 10: to get evidence against him. So that's where Alfredo Rodriguez

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Speaker 1: What's wrong with that bottom line boiling it down is

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Speaker 1: that a previous civil lawyer went through an address book,

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Speaker 1: they were visiting Lola Island. So my point is there

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Speaker 1: So there's a five hundred person address book and the butler,

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Speaker 1: who saw who was coming and going, went through and

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Speaker 2: Okay, sounds like evidence to me.

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Speaker 1: So. First of all, Gallaine Maxwell, in her effort to

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Speaker 1: get a pardon, says there is no client list.

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Speaker 12: Maxwell denies every aspect of Virginia Geffray's victimization, says she

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Speaker 12: never recruited messuses. Maxwell insists Jeffrey is lying about sex

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Speaker 12: with Prince Andrew. Maxwell says Jeffrey used evidence from flight

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Speaker 6: you actually thought the photo was fake. Do you think

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Speaker 7: I know.

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Speaker 1: In addition to Gillian Maxwell stating there is no client list,

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Speaker 1: Did Prince Andrew enter into a twenty plus million dollars

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Speaker 1: You're going to love this. Did you hear Glame Maxwell

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Speaker 2: Outfit I wore to my mom's birthdate.

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Speaker 1: Well, she took a page out of Andrew's book. Remember

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Speaker 1: he said, well, that couldn't possibly be real because those

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Speaker 14: I don't believe it's a picture of me in London

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Speaker 14: But whether that's my hand or whether that's the position,

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Speaker 9: The biggest nightmare for an attorney, either in the criminal

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Speaker 2: You may should the hay up.

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Speaker 1: But that aside, she's claiming she never introduced Andrew to

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Speaker 2: Hello Meiu's flash and nearly brought down I'm monarchy.

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Speaker 1: And there was a twenty plus million dollar settlement to

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Speaker 2: You know how ill the queen must have been.

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Speaker 1: You know, she was a very frugal lady to pay

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Speaker 2: And now, and now Elene Maxwell wants us to believe her.

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Speaker 15: Not only does she want us to believe her, she

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Speaker 2: In real time.

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Speaker 15: It's funny to me that something I can understand that

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Speaker 2: This literally just had in a few years ago. It

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Speaker 15: This was a campaign promise, and they sat there in

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Speaker 15: So you never knew him, No, I never I never

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Speaker 15: And like you said, Nancy, magically, she doesn't know Bill Clinton,

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Speaker 15: she doesn't. She barely knows Jeffrey Epstein, she barely knows

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Speaker 16: As a matter of fact, if I think Epstein was

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Speaker 2: Hey hey, hey, hey, hey, stop right there.

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Speaker 1: It's one thing for Glainne Maxwell to drag Princess Diana

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Speaker 1: to do it, little lady.

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Speaker 2: Now go wash your mouth. That was site.

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Speaker 1: We're not hearing anything about Princess Diane. Hey, doctor Bethany,

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Speaker 1: I gotta throw you something else. We'll let Troy Slayton

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Speaker 1: whole point of me showing many of her most notable lives,

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Speaker 1: saying about a client list, everything she's saying about Epstein,

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Speaker 2: Bethany.

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Speaker 1: That's what this is about, and we're relying on Glaine

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Speaker 1: a pardon. She'll say anything to doctor Bethany. She also said,

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Speaker 2: I don't even know where to start with that one.

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Speaker 3: Nancy, Okay, Well, first of all, try mind the mindset

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Speaker 3: Nancy are incredibly childlike. Pedophiles are children themselves. That's why

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Speaker 3: they are attracted to children, and that's why Andrew and

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Speaker 3: Dalen Maxwell are lying at Caisatel said it like two

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Speaker 3: what they're not mentioning, Nancy. There's no fond or concerned

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Speaker 3: or empathic recollection of the victims. If Gilan Maxwell would

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Speaker 3: just say once poor Virginia Jeffries, I can't believe you

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Speaker 3: know that she has gone through what she has gone through,

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Speaker 2: You missed this. Dtor bethany.

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Speaker 1: I spoke well over an hour to author Barry Levine,

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Speaker 1: who has tracked billions of dollars of epstains and interviewed

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Speaker 1: hundreds of people to figure this whole thing out. Gallaine

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Speaker 1: Maxwell actually said, Hey, I'm going to throw this to

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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan. Jelaine Maxwell actually said about the girl victims,

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Speaker 1: they're just trash. All those girls are just trash. So

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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan joining me, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,

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Speaker 1: I want to hear your thoughts.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, we see this with people that are they have

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Speaker 17: serious psychopathy. Nancy, we cover these cases all the time

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Speaker 17: we cover these cases incessantly where people just discard others

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Speaker 17: like they have no meaning. But Nancy, I want to

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Speaker 17: And you'll understand where I'm going with this because you've

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Speaker 17: no blackmail list. Blackmail never came up. She's the one

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Speaker 17: And I still submit to you that she's trying to

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Speaker 17: who else is on the blackmail list, which I think

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Speaker 6: When you were just asked about the photo, you said

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Speaker 7: I believe it's literally a fake photo.

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Speaker 5: Why do you think that, Well, first of all.

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Speaker 7: I don't remember it. We'll stop, okay.

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Speaker 8: But the outfit I'm wearing is the outfit from my

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Speaker 13: So but you don't have any Do you dispute that

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Speaker 13: they've met each other?

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Speaker 5: Do you know whether they'd met each other.

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Speaker 4: I do not know that they meant okay, So you

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Speaker 6: So you don't have a specific recollection of kind of

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Speaker 5: You know you're flat London with Prince Andrew.

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Speaker 1: And why as Pam Bondi, the US Attorney General, affecting

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Speaker 1: a hoax on us, the American people. She swore these

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Speaker 1: all collaborating to somehow smear the administration. They were twelve

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Speaker 1: for politics. They have been begging for justice for years.

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Speaker 1: She denies everything that Virginia Giffras said.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, she was.

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Speaker 1: Convicted for child sex trafficking. She is denying the suicide.

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Speaker 1: She said that didn't happen. She's denying every single thing

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Speaker 1: about this case. But I want you to hear proof

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Speaker 1: that that.

447
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Speaker 2: Photo was real.

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Speaker 18: Despite Elaine Maxwell's assistence the photo of her, Virginia Goufray

449
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Speaker 18: and Prince Andrew is a flat out fake. The Mail

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Speaker 18: on Sunday says they saw the proof it is real.

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Speaker 18: Mail on Sunday photographer Michael Thomas took the pictures that

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Speaker 18: first ran in twenty eleven of the original printed photo

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Speaker 18: Thomas saw Walgreens received for the prints from a location

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Speaker 18: just a few miles from Gufray's West Palm Beach home,

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Speaker 18: and now nearly fifteen years later, Thomas realized he also

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Speaker 18: photographed the back of the print. The back of the

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Speaker 18: photo is stamped with the print date March thirteen, two

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Speaker 18: thousand and one, just three days after Goufrey was trafficked

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Speaker 18: to the Prince in London.

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Speaker 1: To hear Virginia Giffray, she and Jeffrey Epstein saying in

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Speaker 1: the Catholic School choir together. Sidney Sumner, what is the

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Speaker 1: significance of the Mail on Sunday Photographer Michael Thomas, who

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Speaker 1: took the pictures that first ran in twenty eleven.

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Speaker 10: Well, Thomas didn't realize that in addition to the thirty

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Speaker 10: less photos he took of the front of the original

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Speaker 10: printed photo, he also took photos of the back of

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Speaker 10: that print, and Thomas says, this was a normal four

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Speaker 10: I six printed photo. In the timestamp on the back

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Speaker 10: of that print shows that it was printed at Walgreens

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Speaker 10: a one hour development, and it has the date that

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Speaker 10: this photo was developed just three days after Jeffrey says

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Speaker 10: she was trafficked to Prince Andrew in London for the

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Speaker 10: first time, So it really gives credibility to her story.

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Speaker 10: And Thomas also saw receipts from where she got this

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Speaker 10: photo developed from a Walgreens just a few miles from

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Speaker 10: her home in West Palm Beach. It was also taken

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Speaker 10: the photos were shown to experts who have worked at

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Speaker 10: Walgrange for years and years developing photos and they recognize

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Speaker 10: that type of paper and say that is the paper

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Speaker 10: that would have been used during that time. So this

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Speaker 10: photo really really gives credibility to guphrase story and the

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Speaker 10: fact that there is no way this print could have

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Speaker 10: been faked. It was not digitally manipulated.

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Speaker 7: In this proof that.

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Speaker 2: Crime stores with Nancy Grace. Danny Pinter is joining US

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Speaker 2: Senior VP.

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Speaker 1: Director of Law Center, National Center on Sex Exploitation. Danny,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. For some reason, Dane

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Speaker 1: Maxwell is doing contortions, backflips, somersaults to explain away everything,

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Speaker 1: including sex track and reminder. She was convicted of luring

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Speaker 1: children and molesting them, all right, so that's who she

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Speaker 1: is luring them for.

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Speaker 2: Epstein.

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Speaker 1: I can't think of any good reason that the US

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Speaker 1: Attorney General refuses.

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Speaker 2: To release these files.

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Speaker 1: There was just another recent hoax where files were released,

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Speaker 1: but less than three percent of the files were anything new.

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Speaker 1: They were flight logs. I mean, it's all a big line.

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Speaker 1: I don't get it.

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Speaker 2: I'm not letting go of it.

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Speaker 19: Danny, me neither, Nancy. This is obviously pr for pardon.

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Speaker 19: And Gilaine Maxwell is a court proven liar. Why are

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Speaker 19: we asking her opinion on anything? Why are we listening

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Speaker 19: to her instead of the victims?

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Speaker 11: And it's so disgusting that she calls Virginia Gufrey a

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Speaker 11: liar now that she's no longer with us. Meanwhile, Glaine

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Speaker 11: Maxwell herself settled a defamation lawsuit with Gufrey.

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Speaker 2: Why did she settle if a pair.

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Speaker 7: Only everything she says is lies. It's honestly just discussed.

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Speaker 1: There's more. There is one thing on which I agree

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Speaker 1: with Glen Maxwell. It's about Epstein's suicide. It was no suicide.

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Speaker 5: Was the investigation about that? Do you so you think

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Speaker 5: he was? He was? He did not die by suicide,

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Speaker 5: given all the things we just talked about.

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Speaker 7: I do not believe he died by suicide.

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Speaker 5: Do you believe that?

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Speaker 6: Do you have any speculation or view of who killed him?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 6: I don't, And I asked that because if you don't

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Speaker 6: believe that there's any truth to the allegations of blackmail,

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Speaker 6: or that he had kind of a list, or that

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Speaker 6: he had reasons to have people hate him.

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Speaker 5: Why would somebody kill him in prison?

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Speaker 20: In prison where I am, they will kill you, or

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Speaker 20: they will pay somebody can pay a prisoner to kill you.

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Speaker 20: Four twenty five dollars worth of commissary is about the

528
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Speaker 20: going rate for a pit with a lot today.

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Speaker 1: Okay, she's talking past backwards again. She's saying no suicide.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go to Joe Scott on that.

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Speaker 1: But Tisa tells she's also saying, why would anybody kill him?

532
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Speaker 2: Now he's in jail. I mean, they'll kill you over

533
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Speaker 2: twenty five dollars. She just shot herself on the.

534
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Speaker 1: Foot because he was about to go to trial and

535
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Speaker 1: was in a perfect position to rat out very powerful

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Speaker 1: and wealthy people to save his own skin.

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Speaker 2: The perfect time to kill him, not only the perfect

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Speaker 2: time to kill him.

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Speaker 7: But, like you said, what is actually.

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Speaker 15: Going on when you listen to this, It is literally

541
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Speaker 15: like she is in an episode.

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Speaker 2: Of Mad Loops.

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Speaker 15: You're telling me down the going break for a hit

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Speaker 15: in jail.

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Speaker 2: In twenty five dollars on the commissary.

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Speaker 15: The fact that she is doing everything she can, like

547
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Speaker 15: you said, to hide the truth.

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Speaker 2: You have these softball questions. Basically all she has to

549
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Speaker 2: do is she says yes or no. You said you

550
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Speaker 2: didn't do this, You said you didn't.

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Speaker 16: Know, and we are sitting here watching her spin tails.

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Speaker 15: When you listen to what she just said the recording,

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Speaker 15: you just said, she can't even believe herself. You hear

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Speaker 15: to say uh for twenty five dollars.

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Speaker 16: I guess what little bit of shame and guilt and

556
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Speaker 16: self awareness came up in that moment? Was she realized

557
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Speaker 16: how ridiculous it is Again, like all the guests have

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Speaker 16: said and how.

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Speaker 2: You have said a million times.

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Speaker 15: There is no regret, there's no remorse, and at the

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Speaker 15: end of the day they're even on the government side,

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Speaker 15: which is really scary. There is no mention of the

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Speaker 15: thousands of alled victims and confirmed that she left in

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Speaker 15: her wake.

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Speaker 2: Again, I keep going.

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Speaker 16: Back to this, why is this life being allowed in

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Speaker 16: on actual legal terms to rewrite history when we have

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Speaker 16: a whole trial proving that almost everything she says, besides

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Speaker 16: what her name is, that the only thing she told

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Speaker 16: the truth.

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Speaker 2: Is one hundred percent a lie. It's shocking and it's scary.

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Speaker 2: But at this point I'm side eyeing the government. What

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Speaker 2: is going on? What does she have on these people

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Speaker 2: joining me?

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Speaker 1: Professor forensics Jacksonville State University, death investigator with over one

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Speaker 1: thousand death investigations under his belt, author of Blood Beneath

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Speaker 1: My Fate on Amazon and star of a hit podcast

578
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: series Bodybags of Joe Scott Morgan, Joe Scott, he absolutely

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Speaker 1: did not commit suicide.

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Speaker 2: You believe that.

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Speaker 1: I believe that doctor Michael Bodd believes that, as staying

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Speaker 1: medical examiners from across the country believe it. In a nutshell,

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Speaker 1: Why do we know he did not commit suicide.

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Speaker 17: Because the hyoid is fractured is the biggest is the

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Speaker 17: biggest indicator for us. Rarely do you have fractured hyoids

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Speaker 17: when it comes to hanging. Okay, and here's another thing.

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Speaker 17: You see the greater horn of the highwood is fractured

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00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 17: right there, that bit of bone that's broken away. That's significant, Nancy.

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Speaker 17: And here's why the nooses and hangings generally don't go

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Speaker 17: up as high up in the neck to come in

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Speaker 17: contact with the area surrounding the hyoid. So this is

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Speaker 17: going to be superior to where the noose was actually positioned. Look,

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Speaker 17: if you don't believe me, sixty minutes, put the pictures

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Speaker 17: out there. Go look for yourself. He has marks on

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Speaker 17: his neck, Nancy, that run parallel to his shoulders. They

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Speaker 17: don't go up underneath his chin up to where the

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Speaker 17: hyoid acts as the anchor for the tongue. It's the

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Speaker 17: only non articulating bone in the human body.

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Speaker 5: It's fractured.

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Speaker 17: In addition to that, the thyrol cartilage right here you

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Speaker 17: feel where the atoms apple is on either side of it,

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Speaker 17: there's actually fracturing in the in the cartilage there. That's

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Speaker 17: significant because that means that direct pressure would have had

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Speaker 17: to have been applied here and also here above that area.

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Speaker 17: And then you've got a ligature mark that is inferior

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Speaker 17: to that. It runs parallel to the shoulders. With hangings,

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Speaker 17: we normally see it come to a V. This is

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Speaker 17: in forensics. This is what we call tinting feature T

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Speaker 17: E N T I N G. That means it supports

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Speaker 17: it like this, it goes up so an individual will

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Speaker 17: hang like this. That ain't happening here. It doesn't appear

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Speaker 17: that way. And I think that that I would never

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Speaker 17: presume to put words in Michael Biden's mouth, but just

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Speaker 17: reading the room, I think that that's probably the conclusion

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Speaker 17: he came to. Additionally, for me, something that really stands

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Speaker 17: out Nancy. At the base of his neck, on the

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Speaker 17: posterior side, where the neck dumps into the shoulder, there's

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Speaker 17: a tuision back there. It's kind of it's an irregular shape.

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Speaker 17: It's a bruise it got there. That's something you don't

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Speaker 17: see with hangings. Where in the world did this thing

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Speaker 17: come from? And that's an anti mortem or before death

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Speaker 17: insult that he has right here.

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Speaker 8: Well, I think they were friendly, like people are in

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Speaker 8: social settings. I don't think they were close friends or

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Speaker 8: I certainly never witnessed the president in any of I

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Speaker 8: don't recall it ever seeing him in his house, for instance.

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Speaker 8: I actually never saw the president in any type of

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Speaker 8: massarge setting. I never witnessed the President in any inappropriate

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Speaker 8: setting in any way. The President was never inappropriate with

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Speaker 8: anybody in the.

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Speaker 7: Times that I was with him.

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Speaker 8: He was a gentleman in all respects.

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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 5: Weather, for example, President Clinton never received a massage.

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Speaker 7: I don't believe he did.

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Speaker 5: And what makes you so you don't believe he.

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Speaker 7: Did well, because I don't, So that's a good question.

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Speaker 8: The time that Epstein and President Clinton spent together, the

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Speaker 8: only times I believe, well, obviously they traveled became. They

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Speaker 8: went on the plane twenty six times or of it.

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Speaker 8: That would be one journey, So.

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Speaker 7: They spent time on the plane together.

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Speaker 8: And I don't believe there was ever a massage on

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Speaker 8: the plane. So that would have been the only time

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Speaker 8: that I think that President Clinton could have even received

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Speaker 8: a massage, and he didn't because.

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Speaker 2: I was there.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So according to Galynne Maxwell, Trump is a gentleman

649
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Speaker 1: and Clinton flew on Epstein's private plane twenty six times. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you know I'm not going to decipher that right now,

651
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Speaker 1: because this is what I'm worried about the files release hoax.

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Speaker 1: I want the names of all the clients that were

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Speaker 1: lured by Epstein to mate up and more with girls

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Speaker 1: as young as twelve years old, flown and from around

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Speaker 1: the world. We were told there was going to be

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Speaker 1: a big data dump right in the last three business days.

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Speaker 2: But what exactly was in that data dump?

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Speaker 12: Listen Bondi delivered on a promise to turn over Epstein

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Speaker 12: files to House Oversight, who says they are working on

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Speaker 12: delivery for public release, but the committee is warning to

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Speaker 12: manage expectations. Representative Rocana claims of thousands of pages of

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Speaker 12: documents the committee received, less than three percent are never

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Speaker 12: before seen. Representative summer Le claims the only new disclosure

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Speaker 12: are flight log locations from two thousand to twenty fourteen,

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Speaker 12: making up fewer than one thousand pages of the documents.

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Speaker 12: The rest is apparently recycled information already.

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Speaker 1: Made pub Sidney Sumner, What is happening? Why are they

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Speaker 1: lying to us? What are they trying to cover up?

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Speaker 1: What are they trying to keep secret. That was the

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Speaker 1: campaign promise. BONDI has been promising it day after day

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Speaker 1: after day. Now they want us to just stop talking

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Speaker 1: about it. They actually said that stop talking about it.

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Speaker 1: So they have this huge data of the Epstein files,

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Speaker 1: but there's nothing new in there. Stuff they've already released.

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Speaker 10: They are sticking with that release statement from July saying

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Speaker 10: they have reviewed all of the documents and everything that

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Speaker 10: can and should be made public has already been made public.

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Speaker 10: And that just really does not make sense. I think

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Speaker 10: who they're trying to protect here are all the people

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Speaker 10: that have been named in conjunction. So not that they've

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Speaker 10: actually done any wrongdoing, but their name came up early

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Speaker 10: in the investigation, all the way back in two thousand

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Speaker 10: and seven. Whether ever did anything with that, we don't know.

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Speaker 10: So I think that they might be protecting holes from

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Speaker 10: the investigation things that they missed. I mean, there was

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Speaker 10: ten years in between the first and second attempted prosecution

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Speaker 10: of Epstein, and there's no telling what he did in

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Speaker 10: between those times. At this point, one point of worry

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Speaker 10: that they are protecting themselves from things they should have

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Speaker 10: done in the original investigation that were done. So unfortunately,

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Speaker 10: maybe what we're seeing maybe is the extent of the file,

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Speaker 10: and there should have been more there and there isn't.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, hold on just a moment.

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Speaker 1: That's not true, because we were told at the beginning

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Speaker 1: about volume US videos from all of Epstein's homes and mansions,

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Speaker 1: tens and tens of thousands of documents. We've interviewed the

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Speaker 1: civil attorney for at least nine of the little girl victims.

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Speaker 1: Who knows of corporate clients that Epstein serviced with these

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Speaker 1: little girls? I mean, there is so much there. I'm

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Speaker 1: very curious. Dr Bethany Marshall A why the cover up?

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Speaker 2: What could be so bad?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess they think we're gonna forget about

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Speaker 1: it and just go away. But Doctor Bethany, doesn't this

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Speaker 1: trigger more feelings of helplessness amongst the little girl victims

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Speaker 1: now adults. That's one thing that victims have told me, universally,

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Speaker 1: separated in time and space, that it wasn't just the

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Speaker 1: physical assault, it was the feeling of helplessness that just

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Speaker 1: would never go away.

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Speaker 3: Nancy, it's the helplessness, the guilt, the shame. But there's

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Speaker 3: one other layer to this, Nancy, that is so profound

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Speaker 3: in my mind, those girls likely have been stoked by Gylan,

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Speaker 3: by Epstein in order to procure more sex over the years.

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Speaker 3: And what tools do perpetrators use to stalk their victims.

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Speaker 3: They use videos, they use photos, They use all that

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Speaker 3: material that they gathered while the victim was under their roof,

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Speaker 3: so they can say, hey, little girl, you're not going

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Speaker 3: to return my call, I'll release these videos to the public. So, Nancy,

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Speaker 3: name one pedophile, one pedophile that we've covered that has

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Speaker 3: not videotaped, audio, taped, taken pictures of them having sex

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Speaker 3: with their victims. Name one they're not. They hold onto

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Speaker 3: those videos to stalk the victims and for masturbatory content

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Speaker 3: so that they can relivet the crime. So you cannot

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Speaker 3: tell me that there is not a treasure trove of

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Speaker 3: data out there. So Dylan Maxwell's statements, it's just a

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Speaker 3: word salad, That is all it is. It means nothing.

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Speaker 3: She says one thing, then she contradicts herself. I don't

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Speaker 3: even care about the log anymore. I want the photos,

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Speaker 3: I want the videos. I want all that masturbatory material

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Speaker 3: that they held on to and enjoyed for all those years,

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Speaker 3: so I can see the faces, not just the written

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Speaker 3: names on a plane log I want the faces and

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Speaker 3: the bodies with those girls. I want that the girl's

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Speaker 3: bodies were deacted out and those faces released to the

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Speaker 3: public so we can see for ourselves.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,