WEBVTT - Creature Classic®: Halloweenisode 2022!

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Creature Feature, a production of Elipark Radio. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>your ghost of mini Parasites, Katie, It's actually Kitty Katie Golden.

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<v Speaker 1>I studied psychology and evoboutionary biologee and today on the show,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a halloweenisode. Hags, slime Frogs, and the Boogie Woogies

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<v Speaker 1>who can Kill You with a touch? Discover this more

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<v Speaker 1>as we answer the age old question can we use

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<v Speaker 1>ectoplasm as a substitute for egg whites and baking? Joining

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<v Speaker 1>me today is my friend, co host of a plethora

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<v Speaker 1>of podcasts on the game Fully Unemployed Network, including Hypecast

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<v Speaker 1>and we just watched with Tom and Dave, also a

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<v Speaker 1>writer with me on Summer News, Dave, Welcome, Hi.

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<v Speaker 2>What's my spooky name day? Belle has an obvious roll.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Hell Hell, Dave Hell Bell.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not it's it's.

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<v Speaker 1>David, David, Dave, damn it. I would just say David Hell,

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<v Speaker 1>but then I said David Bell, Yeah, David Bell parentheses hell. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, it's not great. It's not great. Well, thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for having me on. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>No, this is a very spooky episode. It is Halloween.

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<v Speaker 1>At least it should be Halloween, hopefully when you're listening

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<v Speaker 1>to this, so, you know, happy Halloween everyone. Hope you're

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<v Speaker 1>eating a lot of candy, dressing up as ghouls, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>having a good time, wear bright reflective clothing, watch out

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<v Speaker 1>for kittie kats, you know all those things. Yeah, you're

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<v Speaker 1>the pros. Yeah, be nice to ghosts, to like a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of them. I think are probably gonna be extra

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<v Speaker 1>sensitive because everyone's like, ooh, a ghost and they're like, yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of mean.

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<v Speaker 2>If you hear if you hear like the sounds of

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<v Speaker 2>like groaning coming from like a graveyard, honestly, go check

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<v Speaker 2>it out because that person probably needs help, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>don't just go a ghost and run like that person

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<v Speaker 2>probably needs your help.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Ghosts typically don't make noise there, right, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>And but human beings who are like felt like tried

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<v Speaker 1>to tour a graveyard and then fell into a hole

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<v Speaker 1>and broke their ankle, they do make sound. So check

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<v Speaker 1>that out. Yeah, just you know, enjoy enjoy Halloween. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>check your candy for like hidden vegetables and throw those out. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw a post where someone was wrapping Brussels sprouts

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<v Speaker 1>in tinfoil to look like fair fer Ao rochet candy,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's like the worst. That's so mean. I love

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<v Speaker 1>that candy. If I got that, I would break out

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<v Speaker 1>into tears and ever trust another human again.

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<v Speaker 2>I would break out the toilet paper. That's where the

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<v Speaker 2>trick comes into trick or treat, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you poop on their lawn and wipe yourself

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<v Speaker 1>with the toilet paper.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the trick.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I hope that you are excited for this episode

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<v Speaker 1>because I have some creepy creatures to share with you.

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<v Speaker 1>I also found the worst Halloween soundboard in existence, which

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really excited about, so you know, I hope you

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<v Speaker 1>are too. Just here is a little sample of that.

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<v Speaker 1>With this this spooky Halloween sound.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness. Yeah, they're having so much fun. What

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<v Speaker 2>was the joke they told me.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Here's here's a witch sound.

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<v Speaker 2>God also laughter.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this one is just called blood.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the sounds of blootle right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well you know, uh, it's a free Halloween soundboard

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<v Speaker 1>that I lovingly picked out for this episode. So uh,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get right into it and talk about some of

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<v Speaker 1>the ghoulish creatures that are very halloweeny, very spooky, very slimy. First,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about the goliath frog. That's that's

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<v Speaker 1>not really I feel like that's not that. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>really Yeah, it's a haunted radiator. Wait, let me try

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<v Speaker 1>that again. Let's talk about the goliath frog. Jesus. They

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<v Speaker 1>are like, yeah, it's a water phone where they always

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<v Speaker 1>play that as like the spooky sound, but it sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like they're really rocking out on it, like getting a

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<v Speaker 1>little excited there. So, yes, the goliath frog. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>remember there was a fake video going around a while

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<v Speaker 1>of like this guy who had this giant frog, like

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<v Speaker 1>the size of a small chihuahua. He feeds it a

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<v Speaker 1>banana and everyone was freaking out about how huge this

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<v Speaker 1>frog was. Did you ever see that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I think so.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it was fake. It was a video, actually I know.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a video of an Australian green tree frog.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're beautiful frogs, but they only grow to be

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<v Speaker 1>around four inches or tin centimeters long. There's no such

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<v Speaker 1>thing as a frog the size of a chihuahua. That

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<v Speaker 1>would be ridiculous. I'm kidding. They're totally and it is

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<v Speaker 1>the goliath frog. So this is the world's biggest frog.

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<v Speaker 2>And is it Australian.

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, it is actually found in a relatively small

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<v Speaker 1>area of West central Africa and Cameroon and Equatorial Guinea.

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<v Speaker 1>And they are just big. They're they're big boys, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're loving they're loving life. Uh. And they like to

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<v Speaker 1>live in sandy rivers, in forested, humid, warm areas. They

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<v Speaker 1>are absolutely gigantic. They can grow to be over a

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<v Speaker 1>foot long from nose to butt. So it's not even

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<v Speaker 1>cheating where you know, like they display something else like well,

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<v Speaker 1>when you stretch out its legs, it's like a foot long. No,

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<v Speaker 1>from its nose to its booty butt, it is a

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<v Speaker 1>over a foot long, not even including its legs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I'm looking at things like that. Are like my

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<v Speaker 2>keyboard and stuff. They're approximately a foot log. That's a

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<v Speaker 2>big that's a big frog.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a big frog. Big frog. They can weigh over

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<v Speaker 1>seven pounds or three kilograms, which is larger than a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of chihuahuas.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this thing, it could eat a chihuahua if it

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<v Speaker 2>was so inclined. I envy this frog because I think

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<v Speaker 2>frogs are the chilliest.

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<v Speaker 1>Of you want to eat? Oh sorry, yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>No, they're so they're so relaxed. They just they're these

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<v Speaker 2>they're like they're like rocks but alive, and I love

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<v Speaker 2>them for it, and they're like the there's not much

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<v Speaker 2>else like them in my head, but yeah, there's like

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<v Speaker 2>lizards and alligators, but they're all like stretched out. Frogs

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<v Speaker 2>are the only ones that are like, I'm gonna bunch

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<v Speaker 2>up and be like ball of meat blob form.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah no, I like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're like the rabbits of the reptile world. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, I don't know how that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, they totally are. I really love that description. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>rabbits of me amphibian world to be Yeah, bad, that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>You should feel bad, but yeah I do. It's true,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, it's interesting. A fun little fact about them,

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<v Speaker 1>other than their size, is that they are mostly silent,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you would think that this huge frog would have

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<v Speaker 1>a big frog voice, but they're actually mostly mute. They

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<v Speaker 1>don't even have a vocal sack and don't produce mating calls. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>They can whistle, though, and it's like this squeaky, wheezing

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<v Speaker 1>whistle that they use to get the female's attention, which

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<v Speaker 1>is really funny because it's world's chunkiest frog, this big

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<v Speaker 1>goliath frog looking you know, absolutely like a whole mountain.

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<v Speaker 1>And then it goes like.

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<v Speaker 2>I was really hoping it was like a cartoon like, well, whistle, so.

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<v Speaker 1>The ladies, you know, it's like it's like.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, also, yeah, imagine being in a swamp and you're

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<v Speaker 2>hearing something whistle and you're like, who is that frog

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<v Speaker 2>staring at you?

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<v Speaker 1>I would love to get hit on by a swamp monster,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean? Yeah, like, thank you. They

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<v Speaker 1>don't care if I didn't shower today. They think that's great.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, they encourage it. They're like getting this swamp.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, getting the getting these duck weeds with me. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>So when they that is the life, living the swamp life.

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<v Speaker 1>When they when they do mate, these goliath frogs, they

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<v Speaker 1>actually construct private pools for their offspring, building a nest

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<v Speaker 1>in or near a river, and they'll either dig a

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<v Speaker 1>pool near the river and allow water to seep in

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<v Speaker 1>it from the nearby water sore, sometimes like building a

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<v Speaker 1>channel from the river to the pool, or they'll wall

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<v Speaker 1>off a pre existing slow moving pool in the river

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<v Speaker 1>by moving rocks and creating this dam. Uh So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>these guys are so huge. They can lift rocks and

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<v Speaker 1>do construction work like slimy beavers.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so cool. Also, good on them. Nobody likes public

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<v Speaker 2>displays of infection, so like creating a private little lagoon

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<v Speaker 2>for themselves. Yeah, that's so romantic. Like I remember teenagers,

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<v Speaker 2>or as a kid in teenagers, we used to do

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<v Speaker 2>that in creeks, like you you damn it up to

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<v Speaker 2>make a little swim in swimming hole.

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<v Speaker 1>Here, your own personal swimming hole. Yeah. I grew up

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<v Speaker 1>in San Diego, so you'd go to the beach and

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<v Speaker 1>you'd just dig a hole and sit in that hole.

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<v Speaker 1>So I feel like there must be somewhere deep in

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<v Speaker 1>our primordial brains some kind of shared evolutionary history with

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<v Speaker 1>these frogs where it's like you sometimes you just like

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<v Speaker 1>to be in a wet hole.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, of course.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's thought that the males construct the nest while

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<v Speaker 1>the females guard the nest against predators. But it's actually

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<v Speaker 1>not really known because the male and female frogs are

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<v Speaker 1>very hard to tell apart they're basically the same size,

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<v Speaker 1>so we don't really like someone's like, yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's a male, but they're not sure. But regardless. One

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<v Speaker 1>of them builds the private pool, one of them guards it,

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<v Speaker 1>and they lay their tadpools there. And in fact, the

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<v Speaker 1>pool construction industry that these frogs engage in is a

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<v Speaker 1>theory for why they evolved to be so beefy, because

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<v Speaker 1>the idea is that the frogs that were better able

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<v Speaker 1>to construct sturdy, safe pools for their offspring had more

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<v Speaker 1>of their tadpooles survive because you know, they're separated from

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<v Speaker 1>the predators in the river, and if you're bigger, you

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<v Speaker 1>can heft rocks around and dig better pools. So then

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<v Speaker 1>they just turn into these little froggy beefcakesh No adorable.

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<v Speaker 1>I know what everybody's wondering, What do they eat chihuahuas well,

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<v Speaker 1>not quite. They eat worms, spiders, insects, crabs, mollusks, fish,

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<v Speaker 1>other frogs, baby turtles, snakes, small mammals and sometimes bats.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically anything that's uh smaller than them, like that's what

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<v Speaker 2>that's the anything that's in front of them is what

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<v Speaker 2>it sounds like. They don't eat chiualas, but if a

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<v Speaker 2>chihuaha walked by them, they think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>They would I feel like they would eat a puppy chihuahua. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm confident they would. Typically I don't think chihuaha puppies

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<v Speaker 1>roam around that area, but if they did, they'd be

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<v Speaker 1>in a hape of trouble.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you're in this area, you're a puppy Chiuala,

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<v Speaker 2>you get out.

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<v Speaker 1>Of there, head on a swivel. So they are hunted

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<v Speaker 1>as a food source, these goliath frogs, though by humans actually,

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<v Speaker 1>but because they are endangered, local communities have worked to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure they hunt them in only sustainable amounts. So

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<v Speaker 1>fingers crossed that that works. Yeah, And cute fact about

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<v Speaker 1>the goliath frog, they are shy. They were introduced to

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<v Speaker 1>the pet trade, which isn't ever that great for these

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<v Speaker 1>like wild animal communities. But apparently they're too shy to

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<v Speaker 1>be good pets. Yeah, like they do not, like they

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<v Speaker 1>really don't want to interact with you. They don't want

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<v Speaker 1>you to look at them, and they like are way

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<v Speaker 1>too shy. So in addition to it never being really

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<v Speaker 1>good to have like an exotic pet in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>their like what that does to their populations. Uh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're just they're too shy. So like they're they

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<v Speaker 1>don't they don't want to hang out they just want Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they just want to build a wet hole and stay

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<v Speaker 1>in it.

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<v Speaker 2>We just respect them from afire. What what business do

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<v Speaker 2>we have in the frog world anyway? Like like the

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<v Speaker 2>idea of eating frog legs, I'm like why though, why, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>look at these things do you want? Do you want

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<v Speaker 2>your life to intersect with them at all? No?

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<v Speaker 1>And I just don't our entire French audience just to that.

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<v Speaker 2>Ye. Sorry, I'm sorry, but like you know, we we

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<v Speaker 2>they have no business in our world, We have no

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<v Speaker 2>business in their world. We can respect each other from

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<v Speaker 2>the distance. Us and frogs. Our young might occasionally pick

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<v Speaker 2>them up, yeah, but then they pee in their your

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<v Speaker 2>hand and they they hop away.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I used to pick up frogs all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I love them. I would try to keep them as pets.

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<v Speaker 1>That never worked.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh they're neat, they are neat.

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<v Speaker 1>They're very neat. You find a frog and it's neat

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<v Speaker 1>and they're wet, and they kind of just hop around

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<v Speaker 1>and they make a little sound when they land on you,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's great. I love them so much. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's like, because these frogs are so shy, there's like

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<v Speaker 1>a ton that we don't know about this frog's behavior,

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<v Speaker 1>which is kind of shocking because they are the world's

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<v Speaker 1>largest frog, the most obvious frog, right right. They are

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<v Speaker 1>these little teeny tiny frogs that we, like you'll read

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<v Speaker 1>about like, oh, we just discovered this new frog. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's usually these little teeny tiny guys, and they're often

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<v Speaker 1>they're called like micro highlight frogs, these little itty bitty

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<v Speaker 1>guys like sometimes the size of like a pinky fingernail.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, okay, well obviously we didn't. We don't really

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<v Speaker 1>know much about them. They're so small we literally can't

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<v Speaker 1>see them. But this frog is huge and we barely

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<v Speaker 1>know anything about them because you're so shy.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's crossed the like a cat threshold, which is

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<v Speaker 2>to me, when an animal is a certain size where

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, oh, I want to take that animal and

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<v Speaker 2>put it in a crate, and it's like, technically I could,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's not going to make it easy. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to hurt you. Like these frogs are big enough

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<v Speaker 2>where it's like you want you want to pick one up,

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<v Speaker 2>Like we have a picture in here of a guy

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<v Speaker 2>who I believe is a Jim Henson puppeteer picking up

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<v Speaker 2>this like he just looks like he lives in the

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<v Speaker 2>seventies picking up the frog. The frog is not into it,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah doesn't he He just looks like you imagine you

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<v Speaker 2>like replaced the frog with Ernie in that picture.

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean it's you had Kermit was right there

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<v Speaker 1>and you didn't. I actually can't respect you for that

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. Yeah, no, it does. It is funny.

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<v Speaker 1>It does look like Jim Henson, but sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>as if Kermit the Frog and Jim Henson just was

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<v Speaker 1>run through a realism filter or something. It's like, here

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<v Speaker 1>I am with with Kermit the Frog, and yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>looks completely checked out.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not into it. Both pictures is being held and

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<v Speaker 2>all it's thinking about is when it gets to not

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<v Speaker 2>be help.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean part of it too, is because they

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<v Speaker 1>probably have a sense that they should not be around

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<v Speaker 1>a larger animal because, like they are, they are hunted

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<v Speaker 1>for food, both by humans and other larger animals. So

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<v Speaker 1>he's thinking, like Jim Henson over here is gonna eat me,

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, look at like because look at his legs,

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<v Speaker 1>they're so beefy. He does not skip leg day and

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<v Speaker 1>he knows that gormands are gonna see those and imagine

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<v Speaker 1>a nice meal.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's got he's he's got like a ninja turtle legs. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's pretty incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah he does. He is a little bit in

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<v Speaker 1>the pose of like, you know, the hello, my baby,

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<v Speaker 1>Hello my darlin. Yeah, that that whole thing a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit pos and do that a little bit. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so that is the world's largest frog. It turns out

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<v Speaker 1>that the real monster was us for trying to hold

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<v Speaker 1>this frog and make it uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>That makes so much sense. I'm willing to bet the

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<v Speaker 2>real monster will be yes for a lot of the animals.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Stuff, it's like freaking seventy nine degrees in like October.

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<v Speaker 1>So huh, I wonder what that.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder who the real monster is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, on that note, we're going to take a

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<v Speaker 1>quick break and then we're going to come back and

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<v Speaker 1>talk about some hags.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh she's so happy.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're back and we're going to talk about the hagfish.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it goes on in a while here. I'm gonna yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Usually,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I guess that is the thing with like

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<v Speaker 1>when there's like a dramatic thunderclap, usually then there's just

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<v Speaker 1>like more of it, and then you're trying to do

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<v Speaker 1>more of the story, but then it keeps thundering.

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<v Speaker 2>So I love the idea of a soundboard with like

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<v Speaker 2>like rain Storm and it's like thirty five minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that is probably what this actually is. I

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<v Speaker 1>have to emphasize again, this is maybe the worst Halloween

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<v Speaker 1>soundboard I've ever found, which is why I'm using it.

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<v Speaker 1>So hagfish are actually one of my favorite weird creatures.

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<v Speaker 1>They are a primitive fish that are over three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>million years old, and they look like this weird cross

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<v Speaker 1>between like an eel and an alien, and they're kind

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<v Speaker 1>of this like they're basically this gray or pink kind

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<v Speaker 1>of worm like thing. They can grow to be around

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<v Speaker 1>twenty inches or fifty centimeters in length, and they are

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<v Speaker 1>literally spineless. And that's not an insult.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's not. Have you seen the movie Dream Dream Catcher?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I haven't.

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<v Speaker 2>Based off of Stephen king book that he wrote while

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<v Speaker 2>he was on painkillers, I believe because he'd been hit

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<v Speaker 2>by a car.

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<v Speaker 1>Or that's not as funny.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's yeah, yeah, I mean he's fine, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>not his finest it's not his finest story and it's

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<v Speaker 2>about aliens that let's say, come out of your butt

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<v Speaker 2>and they're taking over and they're trying to go to

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<v Speaker 2>the Quabin Reservoir to take over Boston in the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of notoriously the worst movies based off Stephen King.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm saying all this, you should watch it because

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<v Speaker 2>it's a big swing. And let me tell you, it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't exactly hit it out of the park, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>a big swing. And the aliens in their larval state

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<v Speaker 2>look exactly like this.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonderful. Do you think they have used them.

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<v Speaker 2>Or like used almost certain they must have. Yeah, well

0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:10.520
<v Speaker 2>they use them as inspiration for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, so they really do. They have a very

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<v Speaker 1>alien look because they are they're essentially like they look

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<v Speaker 1>like a worm, but kind of not a worm because

0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:24.280
<v Speaker 1>they don't have segments and they're huge, like uh, you

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<v Speaker 1>know they are. They kind of look like an eel.

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<v Speaker 1>But then they don't have a face. They just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of have a mouth hole. You can not really see

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<v Speaker 1>their eyes. They do have eye spots, but again, like

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<v Speaker 1>you can't really see them. They're just very eerie and

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<v Speaker 1>primitive looking.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they look like a big worm, like when you

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<v Speaker 2>worm comes out of the mud and it's like a

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<v Speaker 2>big pink worm, and you're like, what are you? Where's

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<v Speaker 2>your face? What's your whole deal? It's the same thing

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<v Speaker 2>where you look at this creature and you're like, how

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<v Speaker 2>how are you? How are you doing? What's going on here?

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<v Speaker 1>You can't really make eye contact with it, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>always tricky when I'm trying to relate to an animal.

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<v Speaker 1>But what's uh, Yeah, they have no vertebral column and

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<v Speaker 1>they also have no jaw. And what's even weirder about

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<v Speaker 1>this is there is the uh I mean, the current

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<v Speaker 1>leading theory about the hagfish is that they actually once

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<v Speaker 1>did have a spine but lost it because there are

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<v Speaker 1>some of these like semi formed vertebrae like structures that

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of don't seem to do anything, and so

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<v Speaker 1>they think that they actually had a spine and then

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<v Speaker 1>they're like, you know what, I don't need it that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love that they were like evolving and they're like, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to be a worm. I just want

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<v Speaker 2>to be a weird worm.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a freaking yeah, just like this is this

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<v Speaker 1>is junk, This is this is useless junk. This spine yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they have no fins. They have like a ridge along

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<v Speaker 1>the spine and tail, but yeah, really not much in

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<v Speaker 1>the way of fins, and they move around by undulating

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<v Speaker 1>his whole body. So yeah, very very weird, creepy movements.

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<v Speaker 1>And additionally, they are absolutely covered in slime. The slime

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<v Speaker 1>is a whole thing. We're actually going to get back

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<v Speaker 1>to that later, but I just you need to have

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<v Speaker 1>that too to like imagine these creatures. They're very slimy,

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<v Speaker 1>and in addition to that, their skin is very loose

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<v Speaker 1>fitting and weird, like that roach alien from the original

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<v Speaker 1>Men in Black, which is uh what that that actor's

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<v Speaker 1>name Donoff. Yes, Yes, amazing performance. One of the like

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<v Speaker 1>one of my favorite like sort of like corny character

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<v Speaker 1>actor performances because he really doesn't make it. He really

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<v Speaker 1>sells the I'm an alien inside human skin suit things.

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<v Speaker 2>So well, yeah, Danafero understands the assignment. He he I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he was in full metal jacket like he's a he's

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<v Speaker 2>an amazing actor. And then he'll also have now and

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<v Speaker 2>then do these roles where he's like I'm gonna have

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<v Speaker 2>a blast, and that's one of them. He nails it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but yeah, they look like it's like some aliens

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<v Speaker 1>stole like an eel skin and is now kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like writhing inside of it. Because the skin is very

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<v Speaker 1>loose fitting, and in fact, it is really only firmly

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<v Speaker 1>attached to the muscles along the back. So this ridge

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<v Speaker 1>along the back is the only place where the skin

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<v Speaker 1>is actually attached to the muscles. There are also a

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<v Speaker 1>few points I think there are some slime glands where

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<v Speaker 1>it's also attached to the slime glands, but mostly it

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<v Speaker 1>is unattached other than to the spinal ridge or not

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<v Speaker 1>spinal ridge. They don't have a spine, sorry, just backridge.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like the Doctor Zoidberg of ocean life, where it's

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm just gonna be a freaky weirdo. Yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just gonna be all sorts of weird and gross.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have it kin douche to anything.

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<v Speaker 2>No. I love them. I love them, yeah, because they're

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<v Speaker 2>just like, I'm just here to creep out like dolphins.

0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:08.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, no, oh, and they certainly creep out other fish.

0:24:08.440 --> 0:24:11.760
<v Speaker 1>We'll get into that, but yeah, they uh yeah. It

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<v Speaker 1>is just basically a loose fitting sack, this skin, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's also filled with blood. So there's a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>blood in that interstitial space between the muscles and the skin. God,

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<v Speaker 1>so like they have a huge volume of blood like

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<v Speaker 1>like just right under the skin. And so when they

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<v Speaker 1>move around, they look like a slimy, wriggly skin sock

0:24:32.440 --> 0:24:34.959
<v Speaker 1>filled with some kind of fluid which is actually blood.

0:24:35.000 --> 0:24:37.879
<v Speaker 1>So they're basically just like blood socks. And then like

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<v Speaker 1>also obviously muscles and internal organs, but then no spine.

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<v Speaker 1>They're just they're such weirdos.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I'm I'm sure they have predators, but I

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<v Speaker 2>like the idea of a survival tactic being like do

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<v Speaker 2>you want to deal with this? Do you want to

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<v Speaker 2>deal with any of this? And like animals just being like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't. I don't like I love just

0:24:58.760 --> 0:25:01.320
<v Speaker 2>grossing out other ani animal, But I'm sure there's an

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<v Speaker 2>animal that loves blood.

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<v Speaker 1>Dave, You're actually exactly right. Their evolutionary strategy is literally

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<v Speaker 1>to be too gross to eat. That's great, So too gross,

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<v Speaker 1>too squiggly and wiggly, and just predators do not like

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<v Speaker 1>to deal with this thing, and they typically will not

0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:26.960
<v Speaker 1>mess with them. That's they that is the whole theory

0:25:27.000 --> 0:25:30.600
<v Speaker 1>behind this, Like squishy jiggly situation is it makes it

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<v Speaker 1>very hard for predators to get a good bite in.

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<v Speaker 1>You remember those like water tube toys where it's like

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<v Speaker 1>basically this elongated taurus, like it stilled like water and

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes like litter or something. You can't really hold on

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<v Speaker 1>to it because.

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<v Speaker 2>It like one of those Yeah, one of those inventions

0:25:46.200 --> 0:25:48.760
<v Speaker 2>that you wonder like what was the meeting that led

0:25:48.800 --> 0:25:55.760
<v Speaker 2>to that? Exactly like weird, just weird stuff. It's wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like plastic filled with water but kind of turned

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<v Speaker 1>in on itself and so you can't really hold it.

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<v Speaker 1>And kids love it. So yeah, it's like one of

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<v Speaker 1>those water tube toys but also covered in slime. And

0:26:08.920 --> 0:26:14.360
<v Speaker 1>so researchers, you know, biology researchers. I really really respect them.

0:26:14.680 --> 0:26:17.359
<v Speaker 1>Obviously I wouldn't have a show without them. But I

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<v Speaker 1>also think that a lot of them would be serial

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<v Speaker 1>killers if they hadn't found biology, because yeah, yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>like so these these biology researchers took a bunch of

0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:33.560
<v Speaker 1>dead hagfish and built a shark tooth guillotine to test

0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:37.600
<v Speaker 1>out how hagfish avoids serious injury when bitten. So they're

0:26:37.640 --> 0:26:40.320
<v Speaker 1>just like, well, we got these hagfish corpses, and we're

0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:43.439
<v Speaker 1>gonna build a guillotine made out of shark teeth. Uh

0:26:43.560 --> 0:26:46.760
<v Speaker 1>and then just like put these hagfish in there.

0:26:46.280 --> 0:26:46.399
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

0:26:47.440 --> 0:26:51.240
<v Speaker 1>They also did some ed Yene level experimentation where they

0:26:51.280 --> 0:26:54.639
<v Speaker 1>would cut off the hagfish skin and reattach it with

0:26:54.760 --> 0:26:58.480
<v Speaker 1>glue because remember I said, like it's only attached like

0:26:58.560 --> 0:27:01.159
<v Speaker 1>to their backs this and so they're like, well, what

0:27:01.200 --> 0:27:04.040
<v Speaker 1>if it was attached firmly to their whole body like

0:27:04.080 --> 0:27:06.720
<v Speaker 1>our human skin is, and then put them in the

0:27:07.320 --> 0:27:10.359
<v Speaker 1>back into the shark guillotine to see, you know what

0:27:10.400 --> 0:27:14.399
<v Speaker 1>difference does it make? Like right, So they did find

0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:19.640
<v Speaker 1>that that loose skin really does save them from the

0:27:20.359 --> 0:27:24.600
<v Speaker 1>from the shark bite. So while the shark tooth guillotine

0:27:24.760 --> 0:27:27.960
<v Speaker 1>was able to puncture the hagfish's skin, it was not

0:27:28.160 --> 0:27:31.600
<v Speaker 1>able to puncture the muscle tissue. So due to the

0:27:31.640 --> 0:27:34.080
<v Speaker 1>way that the skin slit against the muscle, and skin

0:27:34.240 --> 0:27:36.960
<v Speaker 1>heals can heal quite quickly, whereas muscle tissue does not

0:27:37.040 --> 0:27:41.159
<v Speaker 1>heal very quickly. And when they ed gained the fish

0:27:41.240 --> 0:27:45.760
<v Speaker 1>and like glued the skin onto its dead body. Again,

0:27:45.960 --> 0:27:51.120
<v Speaker 1>great work, biologists, love you keep doing this and please

0:27:51.400 --> 0:27:54.760
<v Speaker 1>do not give into any other dark desires because what

0:27:54.800 --> 0:27:55.919
<v Speaker 1>you're doing is great.

0:27:56.080 --> 0:27:58.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is your outlet, your.

0:27:58.160 --> 0:28:03.480
<v Speaker 1>Outlet continued with this and literally nothing else please. So yeah,

0:28:03.520 --> 0:28:06.399
<v Speaker 1>when the skin was firmly attached to the hagfish, the

0:28:06.600 --> 0:28:09.439
<v Speaker 1>chark guillotine worked like it was able to puncture the

0:28:09.600 --> 0:28:13.560
<v Speaker 1>fish's muscles. So it really was being, you know, a

0:28:13.600 --> 0:28:17.359
<v Speaker 1>blood sock that prevented them from sustaining serious injury from

0:28:17.400 --> 0:28:18.000
<v Speaker 1>getting bitten.

0:28:18.160 --> 0:28:21.120
<v Speaker 2>I love that because had they just in the first

0:28:21.160 --> 0:28:24.080
<v Speaker 2>experiment and found that the skin protected it, that's all

0:28:24.080 --> 0:28:27.040
<v Speaker 2>I needed. I'd be like, oh, the skin protects it, right, Like,

0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:30.480
<v Speaker 2>but wait, let's glue the skin and yeah I don't

0:28:30.480 --> 0:28:32.440
<v Speaker 2>need Okay, sure, go for it, I guess.

0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:35.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just like, well, you know, we've got all these

0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:38.880
<v Speaker 1>dead hagfish, and yeah, we do have this shark to guillotine,

0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:41.480
<v Speaker 1>so I do kind of want to cut off all

0:28:41.480 --> 0:28:44.160
<v Speaker 1>its skin and glue it back on anyone with me?

0:28:44.280 --> 0:28:49.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, where afterwards where they're like hagfish fight slap at

0:28:49.360 --> 0:28:50.040
<v Speaker 2>each other with it.

0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:54.719
<v Speaker 1>I mean that would be highly unethical, highly unethical, and

0:28:54.880 --> 0:29:00.680
<v Speaker 1>super fun. So yeah, they in addition to this loose

0:29:00.840 --> 0:29:04.200
<v Speaker 1>skin situation, they've got another trick up their sleeves if

0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:07.600
<v Speaker 1>there is a of a shark or something that is

0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:09.720
<v Speaker 1>very determined to try to eat one of these guys.

0:29:10.840 --> 0:29:13.479
<v Speaker 1>Remember how I said they are absolutely covered in slime.

0:29:14.080 --> 0:29:14.480
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.

0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:18.400
<v Speaker 1>They have over one hundred slime glands and they use

0:29:18.480 --> 0:29:23.280
<v Speaker 1>them to produce a just ridiculous amount of slime. And

0:29:23.320 --> 0:29:30.040
<v Speaker 1>it's this thick, milky white, translucent and actually semi fibrous material.

0:29:30.160 --> 0:29:34.360
<v Speaker 1>It looks exactly like ectoplasm, you know how like ectoplasm

0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:40.160
<v Speaker 1>is described in like old like Victorian era seances or

0:29:40.200 --> 0:29:43.400
<v Speaker 1>represented in like I guess Ghostbusters. It's always just like

0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:47.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of like thick goo u that it is. It's

0:29:47.360 --> 0:29:50.160
<v Speaker 1>exactly that. Like you could if you use hagfish slime,

0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:52.080
<v Speaker 1>you could, you know, do a seance and be like

0:29:52.120 --> 0:29:55.400
<v Speaker 1>ah ectoplasm because it looks like what I see ectoplasm

0:29:55.480 --> 0:29:59.080
<v Speaker 1>described as by you know, ghost experts. I don't know

0:29:59.120 --> 0:29:59.640
<v Speaker 1>what they're called.

0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:03.920
<v Speaker 2>The idea of a medium like a scam artist keeping

0:30:04.040 --> 0:30:08.800
<v Speaker 2>some hagfish because they need ectoplas like there's nothing else,

0:30:08.840 --> 0:30:10.200
<v Speaker 2>there's no other, no other.

0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:12.840
<v Speaker 1>Sort, and this tagfish is like it's a little Then.

0:30:15.840 --> 0:30:19.200
<v Speaker 2>I have a weird question. Sure are they happy with

0:30:19.240 --> 0:30:22.200
<v Speaker 2>all this? Do they have a good life. The hagfish,

0:30:22.400 --> 0:30:23.080
<v Speaker 2>I think they do.

0:30:23.520 --> 0:30:27.520
<v Speaker 1>I think they do, and I'm going to explain why so,

0:30:27.880 --> 0:30:33.080
<v Speaker 1>Because they're so slimy, uh it actually and fibrous and thick.

0:30:33.200 --> 0:30:36.480
<v Speaker 1>It's like it actually will clog up the gills of predators.

0:30:36.560 --> 0:30:40.720
<v Speaker 1>So while I do not have gills, I can only

0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:43.360
<v Speaker 1>imagine that having a bunch of that thick, nasty goo

0:30:43.520 --> 0:30:45.400
<v Speaker 1>in my gills would feel horrible.

0:30:46.080 --> 0:30:46.480
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:48.920
<v Speaker 1>And like, so these predators will back off and try

0:30:48.960 --> 0:30:52.240
<v Speaker 1>to clean the gunk out of their gills because they

0:30:52.440 --> 0:30:56.040
<v Speaker 1>need their gills to breathe, and because they are just

0:30:56.080 --> 0:31:00.800
<v Speaker 1>so slimy and nasty and and like, just all this

0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:05.680
<v Speaker 1>goo happens when they agitate these hagfish, most predators just

0:31:05.880 --> 0:31:10.000
<v Speaker 1>avoid them altogether. They learn they just do not want

0:31:10.040 --> 0:31:12.680
<v Speaker 1>to mess with these guys, even though they are essentially

0:31:12.760 --> 0:31:15.960
<v Speaker 1>these giant ramen noodles of the sea, which would probably

0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:19.480
<v Speaker 1>be delicious to a predator, uh if they weren't covered

0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:23.880
<v Speaker 1>in slime and had their weird like blood sock skin.

0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:30.440
<v Speaker 1>Just they're no trouble, yeah, and so like uh, they

0:31:30.480 --> 0:31:35.080
<v Speaker 1>basically then have free run to have a lot of

0:31:35.080 --> 0:31:37.600
<v Speaker 1>fun and eat stuff at the bottom of the ocean.

0:31:39.120 --> 0:31:41.480
<v Speaker 1>And so you know, I mentioned earlier that they don't

0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:45.000
<v Speaker 1>have jaws, which makes it seem really difficult for them

0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:49.000
<v Speaker 1>to eat. And instead of jaws, they actually have a

0:31:49.040 --> 0:31:55.200
<v Speaker 1>pair of tooth covered plates, which I do gotta say, uh,

0:31:55.240 --> 0:31:58.080
<v Speaker 1>and parents, cover your little kid's ears. It looks a

0:31:58.080 --> 0:32:00.960
<v Speaker 1>little bit like a vagina dentata, you know.

0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:04.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the we we've been dancing around this. The entire

0:32:05.240 --> 0:32:08.479
<v Speaker 2>everything about these worms is genital in nature.

0:32:08.680 --> 0:32:10.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a little bit, yeah, a little bit not to

0:32:10.920 --> 0:32:14.600
<v Speaker 1>be not to go too blue, too gross. It's very well,

0:32:14.640 --> 0:32:18.600
<v Speaker 1>you know how like Alien who was like like Geiger Giger,

0:32:19.320 --> 0:32:24.440
<v Speaker 1>the guy Gieger who did the Aliens artwork, and a

0:32:24.480 --> 0:32:26.880
<v Speaker 1>lot of his artwork is like a little bit a

0:32:26.880 --> 0:32:30.160
<v Speaker 1>little phelic, little sexual. It's like there's some of this

0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:33.760
<v Speaker 1>like stuff in terms of designing the alien to be

0:32:33.920 --> 0:32:37.960
<v Speaker 1>like have sort of this like weird. I don't know,

0:32:39.440 --> 0:32:42.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying I find the alien from Aliens sexual.

0:32:42.120 --> 0:32:47.360
<v Speaker 1>This is like an actual yeah, exactly to represent a

0:32:47.440 --> 0:32:51.480
<v Speaker 1>sort of like I don't know again, like innu window.

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:56.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this one hundred looks like an hr Giger.

0:32:56.360 --> 0:32:59.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, like this is this fish is an innu window,

0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:02.120
<v Speaker 1>like a horror an in the window.

0:33:02.560 --> 0:33:04.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you look at them and you're like, that's a

0:33:04.120 --> 0:33:04.680
<v Speaker 2>little much.

0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:07.880
<v Speaker 1>It's a little it's a little bit flaccid, got kind

0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:12.240
<v Speaker 1>of a vaginasan todda going on. It's you know, it's

0:33:12.320 --> 0:33:15.200
<v Speaker 1>he's it's a little naughty. I gotta say, a little naughty.

0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:18.920
<v Speaker 1>Not yeah, but so so how does it use these

0:33:19.160 --> 0:33:21.480
<v Speaker 1>uh weird because like with a jaw, it's like, okay,

0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:23.760
<v Speaker 1>jau chump, chomp, chump, like a pac man. What do

0:33:23.800 --> 0:33:27.960
<v Speaker 1>you do with like toothplates, Well, they don't chew. Instead,

0:33:28.000 --> 0:33:32.360
<v Speaker 1>they use these toothplates to grab onto flesh and rasp it.

0:33:32.840 --> 0:33:35.640
<v Speaker 1>When rasping is basically just kind of like using that

0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:38.400
<v Speaker 1>to like tear little pieces of flesh off or sometimes

0:33:38.560 --> 0:33:42.800
<v Speaker 1>sizeable chunks. And they will eat dead or dying marine

0:33:42.920 --> 0:33:46.680
<v Speaker 1>animals who sink to the bottom of the ocean. So like,

0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:48.960
<v Speaker 1>once you start sinking to the bottom of the ocean,

0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:51.560
<v Speaker 1>there are all sorts of detritive wars who want to

0:33:51.600 --> 0:33:54.600
<v Speaker 1>eat you. But I feel like these guys are the scariest.

0:33:55.080 --> 0:33:58.000
<v Speaker 1>So they will grab a hunk of decaying flesh or

0:33:58.040 --> 0:34:00.920
<v Speaker 1>even living flesh if it's just a animal that's sickly

0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:04.080
<v Speaker 1>and can't move anymore, and they will wriggle and writhe

0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:07.640
<v Speaker 1>in knots until they've torn off a healthy portion of

0:34:08.120 --> 0:34:12.359
<v Speaker 1>that dead whale, shark, or anyone unfortunate to end up

0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:15.439
<v Speaker 1>in a watery grave, or even something that's only half dead,

0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:21.759
<v Speaker 1>And then they will invite themselves inside the body. They

0:34:21.840 --> 0:34:25.440
<v Speaker 1>will bore a hole inside and feast on the carcass

0:34:25.480 --> 0:34:29.799
<v Speaker 1>from the inside out, like they're at the world's grossest sizzlers,

0:34:29.840 --> 0:34:33.400
<v Speaker 1>just like all having a huge party inside a dead whale.

0:34:34.000 --> 0:34:35.239
<v Speaker 2>They're having a great time.

0:34:35.320 --> 0:34:37.440
<v Speaker 1>They're having such a good time, and they can actually

0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:41.520
<v Speaker 1>absorb nutrients not only through their mouth but through their

0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:45.440
<v Speaker 1>gills and skin, meaning they can slurp up the gooey,

0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:49.400
<v Speaker 1>decaying soup from inside a carcass like a tube shaped sponge.

0:34:49.840 --> 0:34:52.239
<v Speaker 2>Good for them. It's a reminder anytime you watch a

0:34:52.280 --> 0:34:54.799
<v Speaker 2>horror movie where like someone finds a body and there's

0:34:54.880 --> 0:34:59.040
<v Speaker 2>rats in it or cockroaches, what you're seeing as a party. Yeah,

0:34:59.120 --> 0:35:01.520
<v Speaker 2>you're seeing those animals having a fantastic day.

0:35:01.840 --> 0:35:06.760
<v Speaker 1>They've got morbid Yeah, they're having such a good time.

0:35:07.400 --> 0:35:12.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and these worms, man, I really respect them, Like

0:35:13.000 --> 0:35:15.120
<v Speaker 2>I I was asking if they're happy because I think

0:35:15.800 --> 0:35:17.719
<v Speaker 2>that that age old question if you could be any

0:35:17.719 --> 0:35:20.600
<v Speaker 2>animal reincarnate, I think this is a high on the

0:35:20.640 --> 0:35:24.000
<v Speaker 2>list for me now because they're they're so I love.

0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:25.839
<v Speaker 1>Them whales all day long.

0:35:26.160 --> 0:35:28.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they seem to be having a great time. And

0:35:28.400 --> 0:35:30.719
<v Speaker 2>I love that they're just too gross for anything else

0:35:31.239 --> 0:35:34.920
<v Speaker 2>to eat and they're just freaking out sharks. I love it.

0:35:35.000 --> 0:35:37.719
<v Speaker 2>I love that. I want that for myself.

0:35:37.840 --> 0:35:40.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean they are like their brains are very small,

0:35:41.600 --> 0:35:43.920
<v Speaker 1>they're very simple. They're like like again, they're like an

0:35:43.960 --> 0:35:47.799
<v Speaker 1>extremely primitive fish, so you know, they're they're just they

0:35:47.840 --> 0:35:51.120
<v Speaker 1>have such a simple life of like being gross, slimy

0:35:51.320 --> 0:35:53.400
<v Speaker 1>and eating stuff and partying.

0:35:53.800 --> 0:35:56.840
<v Speaker 2>That's the life. That is the life that's any like

0:35:56.840 --> 0:35:58.719
<v Speaker 2>like college bro. Really. Yeah.

0:35:59.040 --> 0:36:02.600
<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately for them, humans have taken an interest in their

0:36:02.640 --> 0:36:07.560
<v Speaker 1>slime because so, yeah, despite the fact that the slime

0:36:07.640 --> 0:36:12.080
<v Speaker 1>is a huge deterrent for marine predators, humans we're such perverts.

0:36:12.080 --> 0:36:15.560
<v Speaker 1>We're always like interesting a defense strategy that all other

0:36:15.600 --> 0:36:18.359
<v Speaker 1>animals hate. Maybe we can eat it. It's like with

0:36:18.520 --> 0:36:21.560
<v Speaker 1>a spice, like spicy food, like spicy peppers. It's like

0:36:21.600 --> 0:36:24.640
<v Speaker 1>that is a way to keep trying to keep bugs

0:36:24.680 --> 0:36:28.319
<v Speaker 1>from eating the pepper like challenge, and we're like and like,

0:36:28.360 --> 0:36:32.120
<v Speaker 1>birds actually are not they can't. That doesn't have an

0:36:32.120 --> 0:36:34.480
<v Speaker 1>effect on birds, and so therefore a bird can eat

0:36:34.520 --> 0:36:37.680
<v Speaker 1>like a pepper and like dispense the seeds for the

0:36:37.719 --> 0:36:40.080
<v Speaker 1>plant and it's fine. But then an insect that would

0:36:40.160 --> 0:36:44.919
<v Speaker 1>kill the plant before it's ready to spread its seeds around. Then,

0:36:45.120 --> 0:36:47.960
<v Speaker 1>like you know, the bug is vulnerable to that. But

0:36:48.000 --> 0:36:50.239
<v Speaker 1>then along comes humans and we're like, hey, I'm gonna

0:36:50.239 --> 0:36:52.760
<v Speaker 1>eat this pepper because it hurts my mouth. And that's

0:36:52.840 --> 0:36:53.960
<v Speaker 1>that's that's hot.

0:36:54.040 --> 0:36:54.520
<v Speaker 2>I love that.

0:36:54.640 --> 0:36:57.240
<v Speaker 1>It's fun. It's like it's like, you know, my mouth

0:36:57.320 --> 0:37:00.480
<v Speaker 1>is masochistic. I love that. So it's the same deal

0:37:00.520 --> 0:37:03.200
<v Speaker 1>with the slimmer, like that is disgusting. No animal wants

0:37:03.239 --> 0:37:06.920
<v Speaker 1>to eat that. Let's eat it. So uh, it's so

0:37:07.160 --> 0:37:10.239
<v Speaker 1>rich in protein. Hagfish slime can be used as an

0:37:10.239 --> 0:37:13.000
<v Speaker 1>egg white substitute, and it's apparently pretty good.

0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:19.560
<v Speaker 2>I mean, why, I guess it doesn't harm an animal,

0:37:19.680 --> 0:37:21.120
<v Speaker 2>right or does it?

0:37:21.400 --> 0:37:24.319
<v Speaker 1>I mean you gotta get it from the hagfish. And

0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:26.880
<v Speaker 1>the way to get the slime from the hagfish is

0:37:26.920 --> 0:37:31.400
<v Speaker 1>to like annoy it, so like you're basically annoying and

0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:34.239
<v Speaker 1>stressing out hagfish, and they're like, you.

0:37:34.200 --> 0:37:36.880
<v Speaker 2>Know, slime not vegan.

0:37:37.040 --> 0:37:39.120
<v Speaker 1>It's not not vegan. It's not vegan.

0:37:39.280 --> 0:37:40.560
<v Speaker 2>I mean, why replace.

0:37:41.360 --> 0:37:44.560
<v Speaker 1>I guess it's I mean, it's probably more sustainable than

0:37:45.719 --> 0:37:49.279
<v Speaker 1>chicken eggs. I don't feel like it sounds like it

0:37:49.320 --> 0:37:51.239
<v Speaker 1>would be, but I don't know.

0:37:52.360 --> 0:37:54.960
<v Speaker 2>Accept the world where we stop eating meat, we stop

0:37:55.440 --> 0:37:58.400
<v Speaker 2>like where what we do instead is just annoy animals

0:37:58.440 --> 0:38:02.200
<v Speaker 2>for their food. I do like that idea, Like it's

0:38:02.200 --> 0:38:05.239
<v Speaker 2>a it's an upgrade. You know, technically, we're not killing them,

0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:07.920
<v Speaker 2>We're just bothering. I wish we just pets.

0:38:08.000 --> 0:38:10.200
<v Speaker 1>I wish we could just like kind of tickle them though,

0:38:10.280 --> 0:38:11.960
<v Speaker 1>and then they like go to heat and then like

0:38:12.120 --> 0:38:14.719
<v Speaker 1>goosh out some other slime like that would be you know,

0:38:15.160 --> 0:38:18.000
<v Speaker 1>but I don't know preferred. Uh yeah, I mean you know,

0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:21.279
<v Speaker 1>I guess like you're thinking about it, like chickens are

0:38:21.320 --> 0:38:24.640
<v Speaker 1>probably more intelligent than hagfish, so they probably are more

0:38:24.840 --> 0:38:27.920
<v Speaker 1>like can like suffer more when we are, you know,

0:38:27.960 --> 0:38:31.440
<v Speaker 1>exploiting them for eggs or something in bad conditions, but

0:38:31.760 --> 0:38:34.480
<v Speaker 1>maybe yeah, they are less like aware of the situation.

0:38:35.120 --> 0:38:38.600
<v Speaker 2>Hopefully, if chickens are in good conditions, is what's going on?

0:38:38.640 --> 0:38:40.480
<v Speaker 2>As they lay eggs we take them, They're like I

0:38:40.719 --> 0:38:43.719
<v Speaker 2>just laid okay, kind of make more eggs, Like is

0:38:43.760 --> 0:38:46.200
<v Speaker 2>that what's going on? They just keep going, ah.

0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:48.720
<v Speaker 1>Well, no, it's probably fine, Like if they're in good conditions.

0:38:48.719 --> 0:38:51.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it really it's not a big problem

0:38:51.160 --> 0:38:54.960
<v Speaker 1>because they those are just like unfertilized eggs, So they

0:38:54.960 --> 0:38:57.880
<v Speaker 1>would they would, I mean in the wild, I think

0:38:57.920 --> 0:39:01.480
<v Speaker 1>because they were domesticated and selected for increased egg production.

0:39:02.160 --> 0:39:06.040
<v Speaker 1>Wildbirds I don't think would lay that many unfertilized eggs.

0:39:06.680 --> 0:39:08.839
<v Speaker 2>But they're not like annoy at all, Like they're not like,

0:39:09.160 --> 0:39:10.279
<v Speaker 2>come on, stuff stealing my hand.

0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:12.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't think so. I mean maybe I

0:39:13.320 --> 0:39:16.920
<v Speaker 1>don't really know the psychology of a chicken, but no,

0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:19.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't think they'd be that disturbed because they probably

0:39:19.880 --> 0:39:21.880
<v Speaker 1>I would imagine they might have a sense of like,

0:39:21.960 --> 0:39:23.719
<v Speaker 1>these are fertilized eggs, but I.

0:39:23.680 --> 0:39:24.560
<v Speaker 2>Don't actually know.

0:39:25.120 --> 0:39:27.600
<v Speaker 1>I've never raised chickens. I don't know that much about

0:39:27.680 --> 0:39:31.680
<v Speaker 1>chicken farming, so maybe maybe wrong, maybe they're like they're

0:39:31.680 --> 0:39:38.000
<v Speaker 1>like my baby every time you scramble. Yeah, but yeah,

0:39:38.080 --> 0:39:41.759
<v Speaker 1>So in addition to being an egg white substitute hagfish.

0:39:41.800 --> 0:39:45.759
<v Speaker 1>Slime fibers are so strong and pliable, researchers are trying

0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:50.000
<v Speaker 1>to reverse engineer them to create flexible, strong fibers for

0:39:51.080 --> 0:39:52.480
<v Speaker 1>I guess technology.

0:39:53.320 --> 0:39:53.800
<v Speaker 2>Interesting.

0:39:54.000 --> 0:39:56.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is interesting. I read something where it's like

0:39:56.160 --> 0:39:58.440
<v Speaker 1>the military is looking into this is like, of course

0:39:58.480 --> 0:40:00.480
<v Speaker 1>they are. They have such a huge they have such

0:40:00.520 --> 0:40:03.200
<v Speaker 1>a huge budget. They're just like, I don't know, get

0:40:03.280 --> 0:40:05.759
<v Speaker 1>some slime and make weapons out of them. We'll just

0:40:05.800 --> 0:40:07.240
<v Speaker 1>make everything weapons.

0:40:07.680 --> 0:40:09.680
<v Speaker 2>So what you're what you're sort of saying is in

0:40:10.320 --> 0:40:14.680
<v Speaker 2>Spider Man two, The Amazing Spider Man two, where Electro

0:40:14.880 --> 0:40:17.520
<v Speaker 2>falls into a vat of electric eels in the lab.

0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:21.080
<v Speaker 2>That's not far off from realism.

0:40:20.400 --> 0:40:24.319
<v Speaker 1>I bet there was some kind of like arms uh

0:40:25.239 --> 0:40:30.000
<v Speaker 1>person like military research and development person watching that movie

0:40:30.000 --> 0:40:34.279
<v Speaker 1>and going like huh.

0:40:32.800 --> 0:40:37.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well yeah, or they're like, oh they know about

0:40:37.080 --> 0:40:37.840
<v Speaker 2>our eels like.

0:40:39.760 --> 0:40:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Making a phone call, they know.

0:40:42.040 --> 0:40:42.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:40:42.320 --> 0:40:45.760
<v Speaker 1>No, I mean, you know, could we just I would

0:40:45.800 --> 0:40:48.160
<v Speaker 1>like there to be some discovery where it's like it

0:40:48.280 --> 0:40:51.719
<v Speaker 1>doesn't immediately become militarized. That would be nice, Like can

0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:54.520
<v Speaker 1>we that would be can we just let him be slimy?

0:40:54.680 --> 0:40:54.880
<v Speaker 1>You know?

0:40:55.200 --> 0:40:58.799
<v Speaker 2>Right? But once again, man is the villain. We were

0:40:58.880 --> 0:40:59.799
<v Speaker 2>the villain the whole time.

0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:01.200
<v Speaker 1>You're the real monster.

0:41:01.880 --> 0:41:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, at least we're not trying to eat them. I'm

0:41:06.920 --> 0:41:08.279
<v Speaker 2>glad we're just annoying them.

0:41:08.640 --> 0:41:14.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, we'd still also eat the whole Uh why

0:41:15.680 --> 0:41:18.480
<v Speaker 1>they're apparently very tasty, you know, I don't know.

0:41:18.560 --> 0:41:21.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they don't look tasty, but they do.

0:41:21.719 --> 0:41:25.400
<v Speaker 1>They decidedly do not. But apparently. I guess they're like

0:41:25.560 --> 0:41:26.839
<v Speaker 1>a big sausage.

0:41:27.640 --> 0:41:30.160
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah they do. I guess they look like a

0:41:30.160 --> 0:41:31.320
<v Speaker 2>big sausage. That's true.

0:41:31.760 --> 0:41:34.760
<v Speaker 1>Well, on that note, we're going to take another quick break.

0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:38.959
<v Speaker 1>You can, you know, change your change your shorts if

0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:41.200
<v Speaker 1>this got too scary for.

0:41:41.160 --> 0:41:43.440
<v Speaker 2>You, if you're too spooked, Yeah, if.

0:41:43.280 --> 0:41:47.880
<v Speaker 1>You're too spooked, and we will be right back. Where's

0:41:47.960 --> 0:41:53.640
<v Speaker 1>my soundboard? Here we go. This one's just called strange.

0:41:56.880 --> 0:41:57.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's horrible.

0:41:58.640 --> 0:42:01.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know what that was. We cat.

0:42:05.520 --> 0:42:09.399
<v Speaker 1>This is the worst, the worst sound pack I've ever ever.

0:42:09.640 --> 0:42:10.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this isn't great.

0:42:10.640 --> 0:42:13.440
<v Speaker 1>It's not good. It's not good. Here's a bell. It

0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:18.399
<v Speaker 1>says nice. That's a good one. That's a good one.

0:42:20.280 --> 0:42:23.439
<v Speaker 1>And it's going it keeps going. I guess it won't

0:42:23.440 --> 0:42:32.520
<v Speaker 1>be right back. All right, and we are back, and

0:42:32.719 --> 0:42:35.239
<v Speaker 1>I have a question for you. Do you think that

0:42:35.480 --> 0:42:37.520
<v Speaker 1>the Boogeyman is real?

0:42:40.000 --> 0:42:43.520
<v Speaker 2>Like uh like like a like a man who boogies

0:42:43.600 --> 0:42:48.640
<v Speaker 2>down like he's dancing, Yeah, disco dancing. Yeah, he's very real.

0:42:48.760 --> 0:42:51.920
<v Speaker 1>I guess disco died and so disco would be undead.

0:42:52.040 --> 0:42:56.800
<v Speaker 1>So that's spooky, right yeah, yeah.

0:42:57.000 --> 0:43:01.200
<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, there's yeah, sure, sure, bogeyman.

0:43:00.960 --> 0:43:05.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, boogeyman. Yeah, that makes that makes sense to me.

0:43:05.960 --> 0:43:08.440
<v Speaker 1>But what we are actually going to talk about is

0:43:08.480 --> 0:43:13.200
<v Speaker 1>a real life boogie wogie worm who wants to kill you.

0:43:14.320 --> 0:43:25.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, oh no, what is that? Is someone in

0:43:25.320 --> 0:43:28.400
<v Speaker 2>a like a a wind chime storm.

0:43:28.440 --> 0:43:30.920
<v Speaker 1>I've got like a bunch of wine glasses and I'm

0:43:30.920 --> 0:43:33.920
<v Speaker 1>going to town on them, you know, with the like

0:43:33.960 --> 0:43:39.000
<v Speaker 1>the rims, And you go, oh yeah, but spooky anyways, Yes, uh,

0:43:39.040 --> 0:43:43.560
<v Speaker 1>this is the Linomia obliqua. And it is not exactly

0:43:43.600 --> 0:43:47.840
<v Speaker 1>a worm but a silkworm. So silk silkworms are actually

0:43:48.000 --> 0:43:53.240
<v Speaker 1>the caterpillars of the giant silkworm moth. They are found

0:43:53.320 --> 0:43:56.800
<v Speaker 1>in South America and they are not used in silk

0:43:56.840 --> 0:44:01.920
<v Speaker 1>production for a very good reason. So these are actually

0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:05.800
<v Speaker 1>quite cute. I think they are fluffy little caterpillars with black,

0:44:05.880 --> 0:44:09.320
<v Speaker 1>brown and white banding on their tour so and green

0:44:09.600 --> 0:44:15.520
<v Speaker 1>pine needle like hairs that's sprout all oh, sprout out

0:44:15.560 --> 0:44:18.439
<v Speaker 1>all over their bodies. And yeah, they're they're cool looking.

0:44:18.480 --> 0:44:19.839
<v Speaker 1>They look like cool caterpillars.

0:44:20.200 --> 0:44:22.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I wouldn't want to touch them because of the

0:44:22.719 --> 0:44:26.759
<v Speaker 2>pine needle things, but they're very they're they're yeah, they're

0:44:26.760 --> 0:44:28.120
<v Speaker 2>little grubs. I like it. Yeah.

0:44:28.200 --> 0:44:32.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. They're also highly social and will form big groups,

0:44:32.440 --> 0:44:36.000
<v Speaker 1>often huddling together on a tree trunk, and when they

0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:39.280
<v Speaker 1>are startled, say by a loud sound, they will jump

0:44:39.400 --> 0:44:42.799
<v Speaker 1>up in a defensive posture. So when you have whole

0:44:42.800 --> 0:44:45.520
<v Speaker 1>groups of these guys huddled together and you startle them,

0:44:45.760 --> 0:44:49.560
<v Speaker 1>they'll all jump up at the same time like they're dancing,

0:44:49.600 --> 0:44:53.279
<v Speaker 1>but they're not dancing. You're just kind of pissing them off. Yeah,

0:44:53.280 --> 0:44:55.040
<v Speaker 1>and you don't want to piss them off. But I

0:44:55.160 --> 0:45:00.719
<v Speaker 1>shared with you there's a video durable.

0:45:01.360 --> 0:45:02.320
<v Speaker 2>It's so cute.

0:45:02.520 --> 0:45:03.480
<v Speaker 1>It's very cute.

0:45:04.200 --> 0:45:07.600
<v Speaker 2>That is Oh my goodness. That's like when I startle

0:45:07.680 --> 0:45:10.759
<v Speaker 2>both of my cats at the same time, they both

0:45:10.800 --> 0:45:12.440
<v Speaker 2>look up. That's so cute.

0:45:12.880 --> 0:45:16.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, it's very cute. It's kind of a mean

0:45:16.000 --> 0:45:18.799
<v Speaker 1>thing to do because you're basically just startling these caterpillars.

0:45:19.200 --> 0:45:22.719
<v Speaker 1>But also you probably don't want to piss them off

0:45:22.840 --> 0:45:26.319
<v Speaker 1>too much because I guess I forgot to mention they

0:45:26.320 --> 0:45:31.160
<v Speaker 1>are the world's deadliest caterpillar. Oh yeah, good for them.

0:45:31.719 --> 0:45:35.960
<v Speaker 1>So Dave, your instincts are like right on today because

0:45:36.440 --> 0:45:39.480
<v Speaker 1>you're correct not wanting to touch them. Those pine needle

0:45:39.719 --> 0:45:43.560
<v Speaker 1>like bristles on their bodies are actually called irticating hairs,

0:45:44.239 --> 0:45:47.719
<v Speaker 1>and many caterpillars have them. Even other types of animals

0:45:47.719 --> 0:45:51.520
<v Speaker 1>like spiders have them. In fact, plants sometimes have them.

0:45:51.560 --> 0:45:54.480
<v Speaker 1>So an irdicating hair is any kind of hair or

0:45:54.520 --> 0:45:58.719
<v Speaker 1>bristle that sometimes they're covered in barbs or a toxin

0:45:58.800 --> 0:46:02.640
<v Speaker 1>that causes irritation, harm, or, in the case of the

0:46:02.719 --> 0:46:08.719
<v Speaker 1>Lunomia obliqua, actually death. So wow, these hairs on this

0:46:08.840 --> 0:46:12.719
<v Speaker 1>caterpillar are hollow, and each hair has a gland that

0:46:12.760 --> 0:46:17.400
<v Speaker 1>dispenses a highly potent toxin that flows through these hollow

0:46:17.400 --> 0:46:20.760
<v Speaker 1>hairs like little syringes, and it's covered in these hairs,

0:46:20.800 --> 0:46:23.799
<v Speaker 1>and each hair has its own little venom gland, And

0:46:23.880 --> 0:46:27.400
<v Speaker 1>so touching or stepping on the caterpillar will cause you

0:46:27.440 --> 0:46:32.120
<v Speaker 1>to be pricked and envenomated. The venom messes with your

0:46:32.160 --> 0:46:39.360
<v Speaker 1>blood's coagulation. Coagulation is important because it is what basically

0:46:39.400 --> 0:46:42.680
<v Speaker 1>regulates your blood's ability to form clots, and clotting is

0:46:42.719 --> 0:46:46.000
<v Speaker 1>important not just for like wounds outside of your body,

0:46:46.040 --> 0:46:49.640
<v Speaker 1>but wounds inside, wounds inside your body like tears or

0:46:49.680 --> 0:46:53.000
<v Speaker 1>rips and blood vessels, you know, damage to sells, things

0:46:53.040 --> 0:46:56.920
<v Speaker 1>like that. And so if you have too much coagulation,

0:46:57.160 --> 0:46:59.960
<v Speaker 1>you can form blood clots, and this is the method

0:47:00.160 --> 0:47:02.160
<v Speaker 1>of action of a lot of venom. But if you

0:47:02.200 --> 0:47:06.080
<v Speaker 1>have too little coagulation, you can actually have hemorrhaging, like

0:47:06.120 --> 0:47:09.080
<v Speaker 1>a lot of bleeding, and both of these things are

0:47:09.160 --> 0:47:15.480
<v Speaker 1>quite serious, and the l obliqua toxin actually causes both problems.

0:47:16.040 --> 0:47:21.279
<v Speaker 1>So the venom contains these powerful anticoagulants, but it's not

0:47:21.360 --> 0:47:26.400
<v Speaker 1>just an anticoagulant and completely messes with your blood's coagulation process.

0:47:26.480 --> 0:47:29.120
<v Speaker 1>So when it first enters the blood stream, it actually

0:47:29.120 --> 0:47:33.640
<v Speaker 1>can cause blood clots throughout the body, and then it

0:47:33.719 --> 0:47:37.239
<v Speaker 1>causes the opposite problem by actually causing a bunch of bleeding.

0:47:38.320 --> 0:47:43.479
<v Speaker 1>And so all this uncontrolled bleeding, the inability to form

0:47:43.600 --> 0:47:48.040
<v Speaker 1>clots inside of the body can cause things like brain hemorrhage,

0:47:48.160 --> 0:47:52.200
<v Speaker 1>damage to kidneys, and it can often be fatal. So

0:47:52.640 --> 0:47:57.880
<v Speaker 1>the death rate is about two point five percent with treatment.

0:47:57.920 --> 0:48:01.000
<v Speaker 1>Now that doesn't sound bad, right, Yeah, you know you

0:48:01.080 --> 0:48:05.240
<v Speaker 1>said these are super deadly, but consider that in the US,

0:48:05.760 --> 0:48:08.759
<v Speaker 1>venomous snake bites have a death rate of about zero

0:48:08.800 --> 0:48:13.560
<v Speaker 1>point zero five percent when treated. So these things are

0:48:13.600 --> 0:48:16.439
<v Speaker 1>more serious than snake bites in the US.

0:48:16.520 --> 0:48:18.839
<v Speaker 2>These Wow, these little guys will mess you up.

0:48:18.960 --> 0:48:20.200
<v Speaker 1>They will mess you up.

0:48:20.600 --> 0:48:24.000
<v Speaker 2>Aside from like a virus like these feel like one

0:48:24.040 --> 0:48:26.439
<v Speaker 2>of the smallest things that can kill you.

0:48:26.520 --> 0:48:31.360
<v Speaker 1>Like organisms, Yeah, I think I'm trying to think. Box

0:48:31.480 --> 0:48:35.040
<v Speaker 1>jellyfish are quite small. They can also kill you. The

0:48:35.080 --> 0:48:38.440
<v Speaker 1>blue spotted octopus. I guess those are probably a little bigger,

0:48:38.640 --> 0:48:41.280
<v Speaker 1>maybe around the same size. I don't know, maybe bigger

0:48:41.280 --> 0:48:44.680
<v Speaker 1>in total mass or something. Those are also quite small.

0:48:44.840 --> 0:48:47.680
<v Speaker 1>Palm of your hand can also kill you. Yeah, But

0:48:47.840 --> 0:48:50.560
<v Speaker 1>like obviously mosquitoes can kill you, but it's not the

0:48:50.600 --> 0:48:54.799
<v Speaker 1>actual mosquito. It is the virus that they are transmitting

0:48:54.800 --> 0:48:57.000
<v Speaker 1>to you, or the pathogen that they are transmitting to you.

0:48:58.120 --> 0:48:59.880
<v Speaker 2>These little guys are like assassins.

0:49:00.239 --> 0:49:04.919
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think they're actually sometimes called

0:49:04.960 --> 0:49:09.280
<v Speaker 1>like assassin caterpillars. So yeah, and remember I said like earlier,

0:49:09.320 --> 0:49:11.800
<v Speaker 1>they're highly social. You saw that they formed this big

0:49:11.840 --> 0:49:15.880
<v Speaker 1>group on the tree. And so the most dangerous cases

0:49:16.000 --> 0:49:18.080
<v Speaker 1>of in venomation aren't like if you kind of just

0:49:18.120 --> 0:49:21.399
<v Speaker 1>like touch one, it's gonna suck, it's gonna hurt really bad,

0:49:21.480 --> 0:49:24.960
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna probably get bruises. It's a bad time. Do

0:49:25.080 --> 0:49:29.759
<v Speaker 1>not ever touch these. But you probably wouldn't die if

0:49:29.800 --> 0:49:32.719
<v Speaker 1>you just got like one little prick from one little caterpillar.

0:49:33.400 --> 0:49:36.120
<v Speaker 1>If you're a grown adult, you're in for a bad time.

0:49:37.719 --> 0:49:40.560
<v Speaker 1>But if you touch multiple ones all at once, that

0:49:40.800 --> 0:49:43.840
<v Speaker 1>is really a dangerous situation. And so if you like

0:49:44.320 --> 0:49:46.960
<v Speaker 1>lean your hand against a tree and you're not paying attention,

0:49:47.640 --> 0:49:50.600
<v Speaker 1>like say you're in Brazil, like in the in the rainforest,

0:49:50.640 --> 0:49:54.480
<v Speaker 1>and you lean against a tree and you like and

0:49:54.640 --> 0:49:56.640
<v Speaker 1>the trees like, huh, this tree is awfully fuzzy, And

0:49:56.680 --> 0:49:59.319
<v Speaker 1>then you look and your hand is just covered and

0:49:59.480 --> 0:50:03.279
<v Speaker 1>that is, uh, that's a really bad time. And in fact,

0:50:03.280 --> 0:50:06.880
<v Speaker 1>there's been an increase in invenomations, and that is because

0:50:06.880 --> 0:50:10.480
<v Speaker 1>we have been encroaching more on forest territory in places

0:50:10.560 --> 0:50:14.160
<v Speaker 1>like Brazil and so the more humans are closer to

0:50:14.520 --> 0:50:18.400
<v Speaker 1>these areas where these caterpillars are, the more accidental uh

0:50:18.480 --> 0:50:21.560
<v Speaker 1>invenomations happen, and they can be very serious.

0:50:22.000 --> 0:50:24.759
<v Speaker 2>The rainforest is a lot like the ocean, where just

0:50:24.800 --> 0:50:26.920
<v Speaker 2>don't go in it. That's it. Just don't go in it.

0:50:27.200 --> 0:50:29.799
<v Speaker 1>Respect it, you know what I mean, Like just like

0:50:30.160 --> 0:50:32.480
<v Speaker 1>you can visit it if you want, but like I

0:50:32.680 --> 0:50:33.319
<v Speaker 1>respect it.

0:50:33.760 --> 0:50:38.440
<v Speaker 2>If you go in it, don't touch anything. Yeah, don't

0:50:38.480 --> 0:50:39.399
<v Speaker 2>touch anything.

0:50:39.160 --> 0:50:43.720
<v Speaker 1>That's right. You gotta you gotta respect it, man. I yes,

0:50:43.840 --> 0:50:46.480
<v Speaker 1>I think that, Like it is a little bit of

0:50:46.480 --> 0:50:48.840
<v Speaker 1>a hint for us, isn't it, Because like it's it

0:50:48.880 --> 0:50:51.360
<v Speaker 1>also sucks because I don't like the people who get

0:50:51.680 --> 0:50:55.399
<v Speaker 1>you know, like the invenimated by these caterpillars, they don't

0:50:55.440 --> 0:50:58.960
<v Speaker 1>like deserve it, like and it's often children, and it's

0:50:59.000 --> 0:51:01.600
<v Speaker 1>like often children can they don't have like that much

0:51:01.640 --> 0:51:04.239
<v Speaker 1>spatial awareness and like they're little, and so it's a

0:51:04.239 --> 0:51:06.840
<v Speaker 1>lot more serious for them. So it's like it just

0:51:06.880 --> 0:51:09.280
<v Speaker 1>really sucks, Like, you know, we got it. We gotta

0:51:09.320 --> 0:51:13.200
<v Speaker 1>respect nature because it's you know, we need it and

0:51:13.239 --> 0:51:15.320
<v Speaker 1>it's sometimes dangerous.

0:51:15.760 --> 0:51:17.640
<v Speaker 2>I feel like this is one where like you look

0:51:17.640 --> 0:51:20.160
<v Speaker 2>at this caterpillar and you kind of instinctively know, like

0:51:20.560 --> 0:51:23.600
<v Speaker 2>I probably shouldn't touch that caterpillar. So you're right, is

0:51:23.640 --> 0:51:26.000
<v Speaker 2>that it feels like a lot of it's accidental, Yeah,

0:51:26.000 --> 0:51:27.839
<v Speaker 2>because it's like it can still mess you up if

0:51:27.880 --> 0:51:30.000
<v Speaker 2>you accidentally brush up against it.

0:51:30.520 --> 0:51:32.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you just lean against a furry tree and next

0:51:32.760 --> 0:51:34.080
<v Speaker 1>thing you know, you're in the hospital.

0:51:34.480 --> 0:51:40.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Man, they're they're adorable, but yeah they're

0:51:41.080 --> 0:51:46.400
<v Speaker 2>that's I mean, again, good on them. They're taking down giants,

0:51:46.600 --> 0:51:49.759
<v Speaker 2>so that's neat. But yeah, you're right, is that it's Ah,

0:51:50.440 --> 0:51:53.400
<v Speaker 2>it feels like the people affected by this aren't necessarily

0:51:53.520 --> 0:51:54.160
<v Speaker 2>meaning them all.

0:51:54.239 --> 0:51:57.800
<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, like you know, like little children, maybe

0:51:57.800 --> 0:52:01.160
<v Speaker 1>they're like unaware or step on one or like yeah,

0:52:01.400 --> 0:52:04.200
<v Speaker 1>touch one intentionally. But because they're children, they don't know.

0:52:04.719 --> 0:52:06.680
<v Speaker 2>So some of them are going to put them in

0:52:06.800 --> 0:52:07.279
<v Speaker 2>their mouth.

0:52:07.560 --> 0:52:10.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that can be bad as well. That that's

0:52:11.080 --> 0:52:12.960
<v Speaker 1>because then they're covered in that tox and you get

0:52:12.960 --> 0:52:16.399
<v Speaker 1>that in your mouth, bad, bad stuff happening. Don't Yeah, yeah,

0:52:16.440 --> 0:52:18.560
<v Speaker 1>don't do that. I mean, like that's that's the point

0:52:18.560 --> 0:52:20.560
<v Speaker 1>of the toxin is to ward off predators, to be

0:52:20.680 --> 0:52:23.640
<v Speaker 1>like you're gonna get you know, you're gonna get messed

0:52:23.680 --> 0:52:25.600
<v Speaker 1>up because it causes a lot of pain too, Like

0:52:25.600 --> 0:52:27.759
<v Speaker 1>when you when you touch it, like you you immediately

0:52:27.800 --> 0:52:29.480
<v Speaker 1>know something's wrong because it's very painful.

0:52:30.160 --> 0:52:32.880
<v Speaker 2>Right that it reminds me of like like stinging nettle

0:52:32.960 --> 0:52:34.920
<v Speaker 2>and all those those plants where.

0:52:34.760 --> 0:52:37.040
<v Speaker 1>It's like, yeah, yeah, I mean a lot like those

0:52:37.080 --> 0:52:40.440
<v Speaker 1>a lot of those plants. They're the the stinging portion

0:52:40.560 --> 0:52:43.239
<v Speaker 1>of them as actually irdicating hairs, the same kind of

0:52:43.280 --> 0:52:46.280
<v Speaker 1>system that these caterpillars use, which is is really fascinating.

0:52:46.320 --> 0:52:47.120
<v Speaker 1>It's really interesting.

0:52:47.600 --> 0:52:50.879
<v Speaker 2>Bugs are like meaty plants in a way, like well,

0:52:51.120 --> 0:52:54.800
<v Speaker 2>like they live in the plant world. They're very closely connected,

0:52:55.080 --> 0:52:56.960
<v Speaker 2>and I feel like the they take a lot from

0:52:56.960 --> 0:52:59.799
<v Speaker 2>the plant world. Yeah, you know, obviously there's bugs that

0:52:59.800 --> 0:53:02.160
<v Speaker 2>look like plants. Yeah, but it feels like they also

0:53:02.320 --> 0:53:06.040
<v Speaker 2>like that plants can eat them, and they eat plants.

0:53:06.080 --> 0:53:08.680
<v Speaker 2>Like what a what a life? What a relationship? Well,

0:53:08.800 --> 0:53:11.400
<v Speaker 2>imagine living in a home and being like, but you

0:53:11.440 --> 0:53:14.000
<v Speaker 2>can eat the walls, but watch out because every now

0:53:14.040 --> 0:53:15.799
<v Speaker 2>and then the walls will also eat you.

0:53:18.160 --> 0:53:20.480
<v Speaker 1>That'd be a fun home, I gotta say, Like it'd

0:53:20.480 --> 0:53:22.640
<v Speaker 1>be kind kept on your toes, but you can eat

0:53:22.640 --> 0:53:25.640
<v Speaker 1>the walls. That's great. Yeah, yeah, no, there's there's all

0:53:25.680 --> 0:53:30.600
<v Speaker 1>sorts of cool relationships between bugs and plants, insects and plants,

0:53:30.600 --> 0:53:34.799
<v Speaker 1>and also spiders and plants just just an amazing kind

0:53:34.840 --> 0:53:37.600
<v Speaker 1>of like I've talked about this on the show before,

0:53:37.640 --> 0:53:40.120
<v Speaker 1>but like a pitcher plant and a spider. They both

0:53:40.840 --> 0:53:43.000
<v Speaker 1>these like I think they're called orchid spiders, and the

0:53:43.000 --> 0:53:46.840
<v Speaker 1>spiders look kind of like flowers. They're very they're very beautiful,

0:53:47.320 --> 0:53:49.759
<v Speaker 1>and then they live in these pitcher plants and they

0:53:49.760 --> 0:53:54.240
<v Speaker 1>both eat insects, and so you'd think that the spider,

0:53:54.280 --> 0:53:57.680
<v Speaker 1>by living in the picture plant is just stealing insects

0:53:57.680 --> 0:54:01.880
<v Speaker 1>from the pitcher plant, but actually the spider presence gives

0:54:01.880 --> 0:54:04.640
<v Speaker 1>the picture plants a higher kill rate when it comes

0:54:04.640 --> 0:54:07.960
<v Speaker 1>to bugs, because like essentially the spiders, if the spider

0:54:08.040 --> 0:54:10.920
<v Speaker 1>doesn't like successfully catch the bug, it's at least like

0:54:11.200 --> 0:54:15.799
<v Speaker 1>driven it into the picture and then or it will

0:54:15.840 --> 0:54:18.680
<v Speaker 1>like suck out the juices from the bug, drop the

0:54:18.719 --> 0:54:20.760
<v Speaker 1>rest into the picture and the picture plant can actually

0:54:20.800 --> 0:54:23.759
<v Speaker 1>digest more of it than the spider can, and then

0:54:23.760 --> 0:54:26.680
<v Speaker 1>when the spider dies, it actually will drop into the

0:54:26.680 --> 0:54:28.799
<v Speaker 1>picture plant and then like you know, it's funny because

0:54:28.800 --> 0:54:31.440
<v Speaker 1>They're like friends, have this great relationship and then like

0:54:31.480 --> 0:54:34.480
<v Speaker 1>the spider dies and it's like it's last gift, like

0:54:34.560 --> 0:54:37.439
<v Speaker 1>I have bequeathed to you my body enjoy.

0:54:37.840 --> 0:54:40.520
<v Speaker 2>Yep, it's it's Homer eating the lobster.

0:54:41.880 --> 0:54:47.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah exactly, yeah, exactly. Yeah. The picture plant crying. It

0:54:47.480 --> 0:54:50.839
<v Speaker 1>doesn't know neither of them none, neither of them know

0:54:50.960 --> 0:54:57.480
<v Speaker 1>what's going on. Yeah, it's great. It's cooperation that really

0:54:57.560 --> 0:55:01.920
<v Speaker 1>screw over these little flies. Speaking of speaking of spiders,

0:55:01.920 --> 0:55:06.280
<v Speaker 1>actually to a less sort of a topic of the episode.

0:55:06.280 --> 0:55:09.880
<v Speaker 1>Just short little story. It's a cute little Halloween story

0:55:09.920 --> 0:55:16.520
<v Speaker 1>about spiders. There are species of spiders that build Halloween decorations. Specifically,

0:55:16.600 --> 0:55:23.080
<v Speaker 1>they will build giant spider effigies. Oh, and the Peruvian

0:55:23.120 --> 0:55:25.959
<v Speaker 1>Amazon as well as in Madagascar, there are these two

0:55:26.080 --> 0:55:30.839
<v Speaker 1>species of cyclosa spider. They're very small spider and they

0:55:31.000 --> 0:55:35.640
<v Speaker 1>use dead bugs and other debris to build giant spider

0:55:35.760 --> 0:55:37.640
<v Speaker 1>shaped sculptures on their webs.

0:55:38.280 --> 0:55:41.120
<v Speaker 2>Oh is this I assume to make themselves feel like

0:55:41.120 --> 0:55:42.319
<v Speaker 2>they're bigger spiders.

0:55:42.840 --> 0:55:44.880
<v Speaker 1>It's a real confidence booster.

0:55:45.400 --> 0:55:45.480
<v Speaker 2>No.

0:55:45.840 --> 0:55:48.719
<v Speaker 1>I've shared at the bottom of the doc there's an

0:55:48.800 --> 0:55:50.640
<v Speaker 1>image of it so you can really see it. Does

0:55:50.760 --> 0:55:53.080
<v Speaker 1>it does, like from a distance, it would fool you.

0:55:53.160 --> 0:55:56.120
<v Speaker 1>It looks like a spider. Yeah, like a big old spider.

0:55:56.640 --> 0:55:59.560
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, yeah, the little spider statues.

0:55:59.719 --> 0:56:04.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And the exact purpose of these uh sculptures is unknown.

0:56:04.840 --> 0:56:08.960
<v Speaker 1>These are relatively recently discovered spiders, but the leading theory

0:56:09.080 --> 0:56:13.200
<v Speaker 1>is that this is an anti predator defense system. So like, right,

0:56:13.360 --> 0:56:17.600
<v Speaker 1>there's lots of insects or you know, other things that

0:56:17.640 --> 0:56:20.120
<v Speaker 1>would love to snack on these spiders because they're little.

0:56:20.160 --> 0:56:24.640
<v Speaker 1>These are like three millimeters big, so they're a tasty

0:56:24.640 --> 0:56:26.839
<v Speaker 1>snack to a lot of predators. But they are these

0:56:26.880 --> 0:56:29.960
<v Speaker 1>predators would be much less likely to try to tangle

0:56:30.000 --> 0:56:34.080
<v Speaker 1>with a spider like ten times that size. And they

0:56:34.080 --> 0:56:36.840
<v Speaker 1>don't realize that this huge spider is actually just a

0:56:36.840 --> 0:56:39.480
<v Speaker 1>fake one built out of built out of a bunch

0:56:39.560 --> 0:56:43.399
<v Speaker 1>of dead fly corpses. And so I just it's it's

0:56:43.440 --> 0:56:45.640
<v Speaker 1>adorable to me, just like, well, I'm your little guy,

0:56:45.719 --> 0:56:48.040
<v Speaker 1>so I better build a big spider. It's like, yeah,

0:56:48.160 --> 0:56:50.440
<v Speaker 1>it's like in a bug's life where they build the

0:56:50.440 --> 0:56:52.440
<v Speaker 1>giant bird or it's.

0:56:52.440 --> 0:56:57.640
<v Speaker 2>Wizard, like it's exactly little guy just pretended to be

0:56:57.640 --> 0:56:58.880
<v Speaker 2>a bigger guy. I love it.

0:56:59.120 --> 0:57:01.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I meal big do worry about it is.

0:57:01.120 --> 0:57:03.160
<v Speaker 2>That I wanted to like jiggle the web to make

0:57:03.200 --> 0:57:03.960
<v Speaker 2>it move a little.

0:57:04.160 --> 0:57:06.920
<v Speaker 1>I wonder, yeah, that would be interesting because yeah, we

0:57:06.960 --> 0:57:10.240
<v Speaker 1>really don't know exactly like what they do their behavior.

0:57:10.280 --> 0:57:13.799
<v Speaker 1>They're so recently discovered. But yeah, I yeah, like God,

0:57:14.480 --> 0:57:16.840
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't I wouldn't necessarily be surprised because I know

0:57:16.960 --> 0:57:19.600
<v Speaker 1>that there's there are animals that will do things like

0:57:20.960 --> 0:57:24.040
<v Speaker 1>move around to make their deception more convincing, like this.

0:57:24.440 --> 0:57:26.680
<v Speaker 1>There's a viper that has like a tail that kind

0:57:26.680 --> 0:57:28.800
<v Speaker 1>of looks like a worm, and they'll kind of move

0:57:28.840 --> 0:57:31.800
<v Speaker 1>it around like a little worm. And then a or

0:57:31.840 --> 0:57:34.760
<v Speaker 1>an insect or a spider. Oh right, there's a viper

0:57:34.760 --> 0:57:36.600
<v Speaker 1>that has a tail that kind of looks like a spider,

0:57:36.760 --> 0:57:38.640
<v Speaker 1>and they'll move it around in a way that makes

0:57:38.640 --> 0:57:41.120
<v Speaker 1>it kind of look like a little spider scrabbling over

0:57:41.120 --> 0:57:42.800
<v Speaker 1>a rock. And then a bird comes to try to

0:57:42.800 --> 0:57:46.120
<v Speaker 1>eat it, and the snake just like crabs the bird man.

0:57:46.320 --> 0:57:49.600
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I'm really looking for if I read about

0:57:49.600 --> 0:57:52.240
<v Speaker 1>any updates on this spider with more research coming out,

0:57:52.280 --> 0:57:54.960
<v Speaker 1>I will update people about it because it's it's so good.

0:57:55.000 --> 0:57:58.240
<v Speaker 1>I just love this. The ingenuity of this little spider

0:57:58.400 --> 0:58:00.840
<v Speaker 1>like it probably doesn't know what it's doing. It's just

0:58:01.040 --> 0:58:04.160
<v Speaker 1>this evolutionary like it just one started pretating dead bugs

0:58:04.200 --> 0:58:06.480
<v Speaker 1>against the web got eaten less, and then the ones

0:58:06.480 --> 0:58:09.480
<v Speaker 1>that had the more convincing spider look because it's it's

0:58:09.480 --> 0:58:12.800
<v Speaker 1>not that hard to make this spider out of dead bugs,

0:58:12.800 --> 0:58:14.520
<v Speaker 1>because you get just got a bunch of dead bugs

0:58:14.520 --> 0:58:16.840
<v Speaker 1>in the center, and then dead bugs on some of

0:58:16.880 --> 0:58:20.080
<v Speaker 1>these supporting threads leading outwards from the web, and now

0:58:20.080 --> 0:58:21.240
<v Speaker 1>you got yourself a spider.

0:58:21.840 --> 0:58:24.440
<v Speaker 2>Right. Do you think they like, yeah, because you're right

0:58:24.520 --> 0:58:26.320
<v Speaker 2>is they don't know what they're doing. But do you

0:58:26.360 --> 0:58:28.880
<v Speaker 2>think they were like, at first they built it out

0:58:28.880 --> 0:58:31.080
<v Speaker 2>too far and they're like, no, that doesn't work for

0:58:31.120 --> 0:58:33.800
<v Speaker 2>some reason because it doesn't look like a spider anymore,

0:58:34.200 --> 0:58:36.840
<v Speaker 2>and so they have to like hone it in slowly.

0:58:37.120 --> 0:58:40.160
<v Speaker 1>It cannot. I can't imagine it works on an individual

0:58:40.400 --> 0:58:44.560
<v Speaker 1>level where it is a single spider learning this process.

0:58:44.920 --> 0:58:47.919
<v Speaker 1>I highly doubt that. I think it's more in terms

0:58:47.960 --> 0:58:53.000
<v Speaker 1>of evolution, where it's just it's weird to think about,

0:58:53.000 --> 0:58:56.200
<v Speaker 1>but evolution works on such an enormous scale over you know,

0:58:56.520 --> 0:59:00.680
<v Speaker 1>millions of years, and then with spiders, they reproduce so frequently,

0:59:00.720 --> 0:59:03.680
<v Speaker 1>so millions of years for a spiders even longer in

0:59:03.800 --> 0:59:06.840
<v Speaker 1>terms of like they're how quickly they reproduce, how many

0:59:06.880 --> 0:59:11.200
<v Speaker 1>generations that is, And so I can imagine it being

0:59:11.880 --> 0:59:15.560
<v Speaker 1>to the point of where it is. It is encouraging

0:59:16.040 --> 0:59:18.680
<v Speaker 1>shaping the behavior in such a way that the spider's

0:59:18.760 --> 0:59:22.080
<v Speaker 1>instinct to collect detritus and put it on the web

0:59:23.280 --> 0:59:26.400
<v Speaker 1>has just been optimally shaped to be just the right

0:59:26.560 --> 0:59:31.360
<v Speaker 1>amount so that it will protect it. But the spider itself,

0:59:31.440 --> 0:59:34.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that there's any like that is following

0:59:34.600 --> 0:59:39.040
<v Speaker 1>any template. I mean, similarly, the spider builds these amazing

0:59:39.080 --> 0:59:41.960
<v Speaker 1>webs like they can. They are capable of having an

0:59:42.040 --> 0:59:46.480
<v Speaker 1>instinctive pattern that they just go out and do, and

0:59:46.520 --> 0:59:48.640
<v Speaker 1>so I think that's probably a similar thing where it's

0:59:48.640 --> 0:59:52.480
<v Speaker 1>like evolution has driven them to create this like mental

0:59:52.560 --> 0:59:56.000
<v Speaker 1>pattern that they are born with instinctively and then they

0:59:56.040 --> 0:59:59.040
<v Speaker 1>just perform it. They don't know why. They're just spider.

0:59:59.040 --> 1:00:03.680
<v Speaker 1>They're just like do doon spider stuff. Yeah, this feels

1:00:03.840 --> 1:00:05.080
<v Speaker 1>this just feels right.

1:00:07.040 --> 1:00:10.760
<v Speaker 2>It just works. They could be a spider serial killer

1:00:10.840 --> 1:00:13.440
<v Speaker 2>because this is the equivalent of us like making a

1:00:13.560 --> 1:00:15.920
<v Speaker 2>human statue using bones.

1:00:16.360 --> 1:00:19.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so we did that though, like the catacombs, the

1:00:20.160 --> 1:00:23.960
<v Speaker 1>Parisian catapcombs just like built a bunch of like chandeliers

1:00:24.000 --> 1:00:26.680
<v Speaker 1>out of bones, a bunch of boared monks and.

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<v Speaker 2>Stuff like yeah, they really they're like they got we

1:00:30.760 --> 1:00:33.320
<v Speaker 2>did it. We did the bone stuff. We did that anxiety.

1:00:33.400 --> 1:00:35.960
<v Speaker 2>We were like, let's let's do let's have our bone run.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just see what we can build out of bones.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like when you play Minecraft and you're like, I'm

1:00:39.800 --> 1:00:42.320
<v Speaker 2>going to make a dirt palace just for fun like that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's yeah, we were like, let's let's do bones.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. It's like it's like when you have when someone's board,

1:00:47.680 --> 1:00:50.040
<v Speaker 1>they will do make art out of whatever they have.

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<v Speaker 1>And so these like board monks and these like catacombs,

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, I don't know what we got. We got

1:00:54.680 --> 1:00:55.560
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of bones.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's u let's do something with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Are we so different from from the spiders? Not really

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<v Speaker 1>just fewer legs and arms nice, but then we're essentially

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<v Speaker 1>exactly the same, honestly. Yeah, God, I love spiders. I

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<v Speaker 1>I had a little bit of a fly invasion, like

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<v Speaker 1>these drain flies because I went on vacation and they're like, ah,

1:01:19.200 --> 1:01:22.080
<v Speaker 1>nobody's here. I'm gonna like find some water somewhere. And

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<v Speaker 1>like just a bunch of drain flies came and then

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<v Speaker 1>there was like this big pile of dead, dead drain flies.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, excellent. I love to see that because I

1:01:30.240 --> 1:01:31.920
<v Speaker 1>hate these drain flies. And then I look up and

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<v Speaker 1>there's just this very fat, satisfied little spider. I'm like, dude,

1:01:36.520 --> 1:01:41.000
<v Speaker 1>I love you. Man time, I'm happy enough to sweep

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<v Speaker 1>up your It's essentially it's like someone you know, eating

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of chips or drinking a bunch of cans

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<v Speaker 1>and coat of coke and just like dropping them down.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll suck the juices out of these flies and then

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<v Speaker 1>just drop the carcass down and man, I will I

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<v Speaker 1>will tidy up for you because I appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 2>This is great. Yeah, I wish I would chips were

1:01:59.760 --> 1:02:02.400
<v Speaker 2>like a pest for somebody else. I wish I got

1:02:02.440 --> 1:02:06.640
<v Speaker 2>a plot chips. Good job. God, someone had to get

1:02:06.680 --> 1:02:06.880
<v Speaker 2>rid of.

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<v Speaker 1>Those chips, like arace of giants AND's like, we're sick

1:02:09.520 --> 1:02:11.240
<v Speaker 1>of these delicious critos.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly could someone eat these doritos. I'm your guy, I

1:02:16.120 --> 1:02:16.880
<v Speaker 2>got this for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that would be great, a symbiotic relationship based on

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<v Speaker 1>our ability to love doritos.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I want it so bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, before we go, we've got to play a little game.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want to play a little game?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, Oh my god, that gentleman does not want

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<v Speaker 2>to play a game.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was a button on This just called Porchure,

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<v Speaker 1>which is again best best soundboard every day. This game

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<v Speaker 1>is called Guess His Squawk and it's the Mystery animal

1:02:55.560 --> 1:02:59.320
<v Speaker 1>sound game. Every week I play a mystery animal sound

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<v Speaker 1>and you the listener, and hey, you the guests, trying

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<v Speaker 1>to guess who is squawking?

1:03:05.240 --> 1:03:06.960
<v Speaker 2>So is it any animal?

1:03:07.080 --> 1:03:12.000
<v Speaker 1>Or is this any can you literally any animal? I

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<v Speaker 1>won't trick you into a plant, but yes, any animal?

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<v Speaker 1>All right. So last week's hint was you've been lied to.

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<v Speaker 1>These guys don't have wings, all right, So can you

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<v Speaker 1>guess who is squawking?

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<v Speaker 2>You even lied to? They don't have wings. Uh, I'm trying

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<v Speaker 2>to think of what food. Buffalo?

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<v Speaker 1>You are correct, Yes, this is the African buffalo. It

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<v Speaker 1>is found in sub Saharan Africa. Yeah, and so they

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<v Speaker 1>are not to be confused with the American bison. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is actually also not an ancestor of like domesticated cows.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a separate sort of line, but yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>What I like about these guys is they're literally undomesticatable.

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<v Speaker 1>They're so ornery and unpredictable that humans just kind of

1:04:22.160 --> 1:04:25.600
<v Speaker 1>gave up. They're just like, no, they're what.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like the worms, where.

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<v Speaker 1>We're like, yeah, they're just they're just the worms. But

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<v Speaker 1>in yeah, just like these huge, huge buffalo with horns,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't like to be messed with, and we gave

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<v Speaker 1>up on ever trying to domesticate them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I appreciate that. I mean, buffalo, they had some trouble,

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<v Speaker 2>they were hunted a lot. But I like the current

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<v Speaker 2>state where it's like, it's my favorite thing about places

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<v Speaker 2>like Yellowstone where you hear like a tourist mauld and

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<v Speaker 2>the response is like, yeah, I shouldn't have gone near me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And those are so those are actually American. I

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<v Speaker 1>know we called buffalo, but they're actually they're bison. Bison. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and we say like we're the buffalo roa and blah

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah, but yeah, those are those are American bison.

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<v Speaker 1>They look somewhat similar. The bison are shaggyar the African

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<v Speaker 1>bufalo doesn't typically have that shaggy coat. Its horns are

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<v Speaker 1>a little different. They have more of them, like a

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<v Speaker 1>handlebar mustache on top of their heads. But yeah, no

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<v Speaker 1>they I mean, American bison do well, like if people

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<v Speaker 1>think they can just like walk up to them and

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<v Speaker 1>like because they're fluffy, and you know, we don't think

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<v Speaker 1>of herbi wars as being dangerous, but then the bison

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<v Speaker 1>is just like, oh honey, I gotta I gotta teach

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<v Speaker 1>you a lesson and just toss you.

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<v Speaker 2>I had an aunt who worked at Yellstone, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>very much this idea of like national parks are also

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<v Speaker 2>theme parks, and it's like they are not fair places

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<v Speaker 2>where you will die, yes, and you can't sue anybody

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<v Speaker 2>for that.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't.

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<v Speaker 2>They will just go.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that you can't see a bison, you can't to

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<v Speaker 1>a buffalo. African buffalo are similarly dangerous. They will kill

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<v Speaker 1>over two hundred people a year either by trampling goring them,

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<v Speaker 1>so they are not to be trifled with.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, don't go near them unless you really think you

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<v Speaker 2>have a connection to one, right and you're like, oh

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<v Speaker 2>this one, this one will let me ride it.

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<v Speaker 1>If you've ridden your will out, settled all your affairs,

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<v Speaker 1>and you look one in the eye. Actually, no, if

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<v Speaker 1>the buffalo speaks to you says like it's okay, Dave,

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<v Speaker 1>you can come here, it's it is definitely going to

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<v Speaker 1>murder you and be like, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely, multiple things are going wrong. If that right, you

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<v Speaker 2>have to be very concerned, David, it's fine. Then you

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<v Speaker 2>have to wonder like, what was the last thing I

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<v Speaker 2>ate drink and then try to ride it. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>got those horns. You can hold them like any.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you can definitely hold them with your tour. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>having them inside of your tour, so going right through it.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, but good job, good guessing. You absolutely nailed

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<v Speaker 1>that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Well you nailed it with the clue. I was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't have wings. When we say has wings, I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, chickens, Nope, they have wings. They have chicken

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<v Speaker 2>when pigs fly.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, yeah, but uh yeah, you know buffalo

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<v Speaker 1>wings actually from a chicken.

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<v Speaker 2>Weird, right, Yeah, it is weird.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like how Greenland is kind of icy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's icy. Yeah, I don't know why. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what the deal is. What's the deal, what's the deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyways, congratulations again to Bob and to Steven M for

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<v Speaker 1>guessing correctly that this was the buffalo onto this week's

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<v Speaker 1>mystery animal. Sound hint is just happy Halloween.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh everhar.

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<v Speaker 1>A walk a walk a walk ever horror.

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<v Speaker 2>Walk a walk A walk a walker? Well, so that

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<v Speaker 2>I assume that's Fozzy Bear drunk. It's the dark Fozzy

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<v Speaker 2>Bear tapes that they don't want you to hear. Walk

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<v Speaker 2>a walk, A walk a walk.

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<v Speaker 1>It is actually an animal and not a human being.

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<v Speaker 2>Do I get to guess?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Absolutely, And if you're right, I will bleep you out.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm guessing it's because well I won't explain why.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you are absolutely correct, so you will be bleeped out.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I I do want to mention at the end there

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<v Speaker 1>was a little meal that was in fact actually a cat.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess the person recording also has a cat. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and so like a cat just starts mewing and these

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<v Speaker 1>things happen, you know, as a cat owner.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I feel like any anytime someone has like

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<v Speaker 2>a weird animal, there's always a cat there in the background,

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<v Speaker 2>Like that's that's just something they have too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, it's just cats.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, cats are not impressed by other animals. I've noticed

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<v Speaker 2>that about them generally speaking. Like if you put a

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<v Speaker 2>polar bear in front of a cat, the cat's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>bat at it. It's like it doesn't care. It absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't care what it is. You've seen like cat meeting

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<v Speaker 2>a dolphin and it just sniffs it and it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>like whatever, man, Like, they just don't care. What I

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<v Speaker 2>love is that other creatures will genuinely like you've seen

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<v Speaker 2>cats chase bears on YouTube, Yeah, they'll genuinely go ah.

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<v Speaker 2>So that makes me think cats are like the spiders

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<v Speaker 2>of the mammal world, where they're like, yeah, those things

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<v Speaker 2>freak me out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're the hagfish of the mammal world. Like other

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<v Speaker 1>animals just don't want to deal with them. Yep, And

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<v Speaker 1>humans for some reason are like, well I'll introduce this

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<v Speaker 1>thing to my life.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, why not, I'll put this wild animal in my house.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Dave, thank you so much for coming to this mienisode,

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<v Speaker 1>to this spectacular. I really appreciate it. I hope you're

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<v Speaker 1>having a good Halloween working oh find you well.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, thanks for having me on. I quite

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<v Speaker 2>enjoyed being on this. I rarely plug my Twitter, so

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<v Speaker 2>I will at movie Hooligan is my Twitter handle. I

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<v Speaker 2>do a podcast series, as you mentioned with Tom Ryman,

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<v Speaker 2>Y Unemployed. Wherever you get your podcasts, you can find that.

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<v Speaker 2>And we mostly do movies. In fact, we almost exclusively

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