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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature Feature, a production of Elipark Radio. I'm

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Speaker 1: your ghost of mini Parasites, Katie, It's actually Kitty Katie Golden.

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Speaker 1: I studied psychology and evoboutionary biologee and today on the show,

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Speaker 1: it's a halloweenisode. Hags, slime Frogs, and the Boogie Woogies

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Speaker 1: who can Kill You with a touch? Discover this more

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Speaker 1: as we answer the age old question can we use

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Speaker 1: ectoplasm as a substitute for egg whites and baking? Joining

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Speaker 1: me today is my friend, co host of a plethora

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Speaker 1: of podcasts on the game Fully Unemployed Network, including Hypecast

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Speaker 1: and we just watched with Tom and Dave, also a

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Speaker 1: writer with me on Summer News, Dave, Welcome, Hi.

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Speaker 2: What's my spooky name day? Belle has an obvious roll.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Hell Hell, Dave Hell Bell.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not it's it's.

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Speaker 1: David, David, Dave, damn it. I would just say David Hell,

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Speaker 1: but then I said David Bell, Yeah, David Bell parentheses hell. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's not great. It's not great. Well, thanks

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Speaker 2: for having me on. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, this is a very spooky episode. It is Halloween.

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Speaker 1: At least it should be Halloween, hopefully when you're listening

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Speaker 1: to this, so, you know, happy Halloween everyone. Hope you're

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Speaker 1: eating a lot of candy, dressing up as ghouls, you know,

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Speaker 1: having a good time, wear bright reflective clothing, watch out

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Speaker 1: for kittie kats, you know all those things. Yeah, you're

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Speaker 1: the pros. Yeah, be nice to ghosts, to like a

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Speaker 1: lot of them. I think are probably gonna be extra

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Speaker 1: sensitive because everyone's like, ooh, a ghost and they're like, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: that's kind of mean.

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Speaker 2: If you hear if you hear like the sounds of

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Speaker 2: like groaning coming from like a graveyard, honestly, go check

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Speaker 2: it out because that person probably needs help, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: don't just go a ghost and run like that person

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Speaker 2: probably needs your help.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Ghosts typically don't make noise there, right, you know,

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Speaker 1: And but human beings who are like felt like tried

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Speaker 1: and broke their ankle, they do make sound. So check

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Speaker 1: that out. Yeah, just you know, enjoy enjoy Halloween. You know,

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Speaker 1: check your candy for like hidden vegetables and throw those out. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I saw a post where someone was wrapping Brussels sprouts

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Speaker 1: in tinfoil to look like fair fer Ao rochet candy,

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Speaker 1: and that's like the worst. That's so mean. I love

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Speaker 1: that candy. If I got that, I would break out

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Speaker 1: into tears and ever trust another human again.

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Speaker 2: I would break out the toilet paper. That's where the

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Speaker 2: trick comes into trick or treat, right.

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Speaker 1: And then you poop on their lawn and wipe yourself

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Speaker 1: with the toilet paper.

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Speaker 2: That's the trick.

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Speaker 1: Well, I hope that you are excited for this episode

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Speaker 1: because I have some creepy creatures to share with you.

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Speaker 1: I also found the worst Halloween soundboard in existence, which

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Speaker 1: I'm really excited about, so you know, I hope you

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Speaker 1: are too. Just here is a little sample of that.

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Speaker 1: With this this spooky Halloween sound.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. Yeah, they're having so much fun. What

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Speaker 2: was the joke they told me.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Here's here's a witch sound.

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Speaker 2: God also laughter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this one is just called blood.

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Speaker 2: That's the sounds of blootle right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well you know, uh, it's a free Halloween soundboard

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Speaker 1: that I lovingly picked out for this episode. So uh,

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Speaker 1: let's get right into it and talk about some of

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Speaker 1: the ghoulish creatures that are very halloweeny, very spooky, very slimy. First,

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the goliath frog. That's that's

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Speaker 1: not really I feel like that's not that. I don't

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Speaker 1: No, No, it is actually found in a relatively small

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Speaker 1: And they are just big. They're they're big boys, and

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Speaker 1: It's a big frog. Big frog. They can weigh over

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this thing, it could eat a chihuahua if it

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Speaker 2: frogs are the chilliest.

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Speaker 1: Of you want to eat? Oh sorry, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: No, they're so they're so relaxed. They just they're these

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Speaker 2: they're like they're like rocks but alive, and I love

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Speaker 2: them for it, and they're like the there's not much

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Speaker 1: Yeah no, I like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like the rabbits of the reptile world. I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, they totally are. I really love that description. Well,

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Speaker 1: The ladies, you know, it's like it's like.

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Speaker 1: I would love to get hit on by a swamp monster,

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they encourage it. They're like getting this swamp.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, getting the getting these duck weeds with me. You know.

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Speaker 1: So when they that is the life, living the swamp life.

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Speaker 1: When they when they do mate, these goliath frogs, they

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Speaker 1: actually construct private pools for their offspring, building a nest

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Speaker 2: That's so cool. Also, good on them. Nobody likes public

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Speaker 2: for themselves. Yeah, that's so romantic. Like I remember teenagers,

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Speaker 1: Here, your own personal swimming hole. Yeah. I grew up

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Speaker 1: So it's thought that the males construct the nest while

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Speaker 1: I know what everybody's wondering, What do they eat chihuahuas well,

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Speaker 1: not quite. They eat worms, spiders, insects, crabs, mollusks, fish,

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Speaker 2: Basically anything that's uh smaller than them, like that's what

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Speaker 1: They would I feel like they would eat a puppy chihuahua. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: I'm confident they would. Typically I don't think chihuaha puppies

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Speaker 1: Of there, head on a swivel. So they are hunted

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got he's he's got like a ninja turtle legs. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Stuff, it's like freaking seventy nine degrees in like October.

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Speaker 2: I wonder who the real monster is.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it goes on in a while here. I'm gonna yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Usually,

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Speaker 2: So I love the idea of a soundboard with like

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Speaker 1: I think that is probably what this actually is. I

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Speaker 1: So hagfish are actually one of my favorite weird creatures.

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Speaker 1: They are a primitive fish that are over three hundred

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Speaker 2: No, it's not. Have you seen the movie Dream Dream Catcher?

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Speaker 1: Or that's not as funny.

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Speaker 2: But it's yeah, yeah, I mean he's fine, but it's

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Speaker 2: And I'm saying all this, you should watch it because

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Speaker 1: I wonderful. Do you think they have used them.

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Speaker 2: Or like used almost certain they must have. Yeah, well

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Speaker 1: You can't really make eye contact with it, and that's

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Speaker 1: I have a freaking yeah, just like this is this

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Speaker 1: And additionally, they are absolutely covered in slime. The slime

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, they look like it's like some aliens

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm I'm sure they have predators, but I

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Speaker 1: to be too gross to eat. That's great, So too gross,

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00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: too squiggly and wiggly, and just predators do not like

429
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 1: to deal with this thing, and they typically will not

430
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 1: mess with them. That's they that is the whole theory

431
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 1: behind this, Like squishy jiggly situation is it makes it

432
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: very hard for predators to get a good bite in.

433
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: You remember those like water tube toys where it's like

434
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: basically this elongated taurus, like it stilled like water and

435
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: sometimes like litter or something. You can't really hold on

436
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:44,360
Speaker 1: to it because.

437
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 2: It like one of those Yeah, one of those inventions

438
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 2: that you wonder like what was the meeting that led

439
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 2: to that? Exactly like weird, just weird stuff. It's wrong.

440
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: It's like plastic filled with water but kind of turned

441
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: in on itself and so you can't really hold it.

442
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: And kids love it. So yeah, it's like one of

443
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: those water tube toys but also covered in slime. And

444
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:14,360
Speaker 1: so researchers, you know, biology researchers. I really really respect them.

445
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: Obviously I wouldn't have a show without them. But I

446
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 1: also think that a lot of them would be serial

447
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 1: killers if they hadn't found biology, because yeah, yeah, but

448
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: like so these these biology researchers took a bunch of

449
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: dead hagfish and built a shark tooth guillotine to test

450
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: out how hagfish avoids serious injury when bitten. So they're

451
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: just like, well, we got these hagfish corpses, and we're

452
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 1: gonna build a guillotine made out of shark teeth. Uh

453
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: and then just like put these hagfish in there.

454
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 2: Uh.

455
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: They also did some ed Yene level experimentation where they

456
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 1: would cut off the hagfish skin and reattach it with

457
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: glue because remember I said, like it's only attached like

458
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 1: to their backs this and so they're like, well, what

459
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: if it was attached firmly to their whole body like

460
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: our human skin is, and then put them in the

461
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: back into the shark guillotine to see, you know what

462
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: difference does it make? Like right, So they did find

463
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 1: that that loose skin really does save them from the

464
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: from the shark bite. So while the shark tooth guillotine

465
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: was able to puncture the hagfish's skin, it was not

466
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: able to puncture the muscle tissue. So due to the

467
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: way that the skin slit against the muscle, and skin

468
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: heals can heal quite quickly, whereas muscle tissue does not

469
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 1: heal very quickly. And when they ed gained the fish

470
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: and like glued the skin onto its dead body. Again,

471
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 1: great work, biologists, love you keep doing this and please

472
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: do not give into any other dark desires because what

473
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 1: you're doing is great.

474
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is your outlet, your.

475
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: Outlet continued with this and literally nothing else please. So yeah,

476
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 1: when the skin was firmly attached to the hagfish, the

477
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 1: chark guillotine worked like it was able to puncture the

478
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: fish's muscles. So it really was being, you know, a

479
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: blood sock that prevented them from sustaining serious injury from

480
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: getting bitten.

481
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 2: I love that because had they just in the first

482
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 2: experiment and found that the skin protected it, that's all

483
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 2: I needed. I'd be like, oh, the skin protects it, right, Like,

484
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 2: but wait, let's glue the skin and yeah I don't

485
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 2: need Okay, sure, go for it, I guess.

486
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, just like, well, you know, we've got all these

487
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: dead hagfish, and yeah, we do have this shark to guillotine,

488
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: so I do kind of want to cut off all

489
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: its skin and glue it back on anyone with me?

490
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, where afterwards where they're like hagfish fight slap at

491
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 2: each other with it.

492
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,719
Speaker 1: I mean that would be highly unethical, highly unethical, and

493
00:28:54,880 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: super fun. So yeah, they in addition to this loose

494
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: skin situation, they've got another trick up their sleeves if

495
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: there is a of a shark or something that is

496
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: very determined to try to eat one of these guys.

497
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,479
Speaker 1: Remember how I said they are absolutely covered in slime.

498
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

499
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: They have over one hundred slime glands and they use

500
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: them to produce a just ridiculous amount of slime. And

501
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: it's this thick, milky white, translucent and actually semi fibrous material.

502
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: It looks exactly like ectoplasm, you know how like ectoplasm

503
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: is described in like old like Victorian era seances or

504
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: represented in like I guess Ghostbusters. It's always just like

505
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: kind of like thick goo u that it is. It's

506
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: exactly that. Like you could if you use hagfish slime,

507
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: you could, you know, do a seance and be like

508
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: ah ectoplasm because it looks like what I see ectoplasm

509
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: described as by you know, ghost experts. I don't know

510
00:29:59,120 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: what they're called.

511
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 2: The idea of a medium like a scam artist keeping

512
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 2: some hagfish because they need ectoplas like there's nothing else,

513
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 2: there's no other, no other.

514
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: Sort, and this tagfish is like it's a little Then.

515
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 2: I have a weird question. Sure are they happy with

516
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 2: all this? Do they have a good life. The hagfish,

517
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 2: I think they do.

518
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: I think they do, and I'm going to explain why so,

519
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: Because they're so slimy, uh it actually and fibrous and thick.

520
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: It's like it actually will clog up the gills of predators.

521
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: So while I do not have gills, I can only

522
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: imagine that having a bunch of that thick, nasty goo

523
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: in my gills would feel horrible.

524
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 2: Uh.

525
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: And like, so these predators will back off and try

526
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: to clean the gunk out of their gills because they

527
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: need their gills to breathe, and because they are just

528
00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: so slimy and nasty and and like, just all this

529
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: goo happens when they agitate these hagfish, most predators just

530
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: avoid them altogether. They learn they just do not want

531
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: to mess with these guys, even though they are essentially

532
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: these giant ramen noodles of the sea, which would probably

533
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: be delicious to a predator, uh if they weren't covered

534
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: in slime and had their weird like blood sock skin.

535
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: Just they're no trouble, yeah, and so like uh, they

536
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: basically then have free run to have a lot of

537
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: fun and eat stuff at the bottom of the ocean.

538
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: And so you know, I mentioned earlier that they don't

539
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: have jaws, which makes it seem really difficult for them

540
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: to eat. And instead of jaws, they actually have a

541
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: pair of tooth covered plates, which I do gotta say, uh,

542
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: and parents, cover your little kid's ears. It looks a

543
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: little bit like a vagina dentata, you know.

544
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, the we we've been dancing around this. The entire

545
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,479
Speaker 2: everything about these worms is genital in nature.

546
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit, yeah, a little bit not to

547
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: be not to go too blue, too gross. It's very well,

548
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: you know how like Alien who was like like Geiger Giger,

549
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: the guy Gieger who did the Aliens artwork, and a

550
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: lot of his artwork is like a little bit a

551
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: little phelic, little sexual. It's like there's some of this

552
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: like stuff in terms of designing the alien to be

553
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: like have sort of this like weird. I don't know,

554
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I find the alien from Aliens sexual.

555
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: This is like an actual yeah, exactly to represent a

556
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: sort of like I don't know again, like innu window.

557
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, this one hundred looks like an hr Giger.

558
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like this is this fish is an innu window,

559
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: like a horror an in the window.

560
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you look at them and you're like, that's a

561
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 2: little much.

562
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: It's a little it's a little bit flaccid, got kind

563
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: of a vaginasan todda going on. It's you know, it's

564
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: he's it's a little naughty. I gotta say, a little naughty.

565
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: Not yeah, but so so how does it use these

566
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: uh weird because like with a jaw, it's like, okay,

567
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: jau chump, chomp, chump, like a pac man. What do

568
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: you do with like toothplates, Well, they don't chew. Instead,

569
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: they use these toothplates to grab onto flesh and rasp it.

570
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: When rasping is basically just kind of like using that

571
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: to like tear little pieces of flesh off or sometimes

572
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: sizeable chunks. And they will eat dead or dying marine

573
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: animals who sink to the bottom of the ocean. So like,

574
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: once you start sinking to the bottom of the ocean,

575
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: there are all sorts of detritive wars who want to

576
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: eat you. But I feel like these guys are the scariest.

577
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: So they will grab a hunk of decaying flesh or

578
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: even living flesh if it's just a animal that's sickly

579
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: and can't move anymore, and they will wriggle and writhe

580
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: in knots until they've torn off a healthy portion of

581
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 1: that dead whale, shark, or anyone unfortunate to end up

582
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,439
Speaker 1: in a watery grave, or even something that's only half dead,

583
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: And then they will invite themselves inside the body. They

584
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: will bore a hole inside and feast on the carcass

585
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: from the inside out, like they're at the world's grossest sizzlers,

586
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: just like all having a huge party inside a dead whale.

587
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 2: They're having a great time.

588
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: They're having such a good time, and they can actually

589
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: absorb nutrients not only through their mouth but through their

590
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: gills and skin, meaning they can slurp up the gooey,

591
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: decaying soup from inside a carcass like a tube shaped sponge.

592
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 2: Good for them. It's a reminder anytime you watch a

593
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 2: horror movie where like someone finds a body and there's

594
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 2: rats in it or cockroaches, what you're seeing as a party. Yeah,

595
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: you're seeing those animals having a fantastic day.

596
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 1: They've got morbid Yeah, they're having such a good time.

597
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and these worms, man, I really respect them, Like

598
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: I I was asking if they're happy because I think

599
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 2: that that age old question if you could be any

600
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 2: animal reincarnate, I think this is a high on the

601
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 2: list for me now because they're they're so I love.

602
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 1: Them whales all day long.

603
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, they seem to be having a great time. And

604
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 2: I love that they're just too gross for anything else

605
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 2: to eat and they're just freaking out sharks. I love it.

606
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 2: I love that. I want that for myself.

607
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they are like their brains are very small,

608
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: they're very simple. They're like like again, they're like an

609
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: extremely primitive fish, so you know, they're they're just they

610
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: have such a simple life of like being gross, slimy

611
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: and eating stuff and partying.

612
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 2: That's the life. That is the life that's any like

613
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 2: like college bro. Really. Yeah.

614
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: Unfortunately for them, humans have taken an interest in their

615
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: slime because so, yeah, despite the fact that the slime

616
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: is a huge deterrent for marine predators, humans we're such perverts.

617
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: We're always like interesting a defense strategy that all other

618
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 1: animals hate. Maybe we can eat it. It's like with

619
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: a spice, like spicy food, like spicy peppers. It's like

620
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: that is a way to keep trying to keep bugs

621
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: from eating the pepper like challenge, and we're like and like,

622
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: birds actually are not they can't. That doesn't have an

623
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: effect on birds, and so therefore a bird can eat

624
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: like a pepper and like dispense the seeds for the

625
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: plant and it's fine. But then an insect that would

626
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,919
Speaker 1: kill the plant before it's ready to spread its seeds around. Then,

627
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: like you know, the bug is vulnerable to that. But

628
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: then along comes humans and we're like, hey, I'm gonna

629
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 1: eat this pepper because it hurts my mouth. And that's

630
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: that's that's hot.

631
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 2: I love that.

632
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,240
Speaker 1: It's fun. It's like it's like, you know, my mouth

633
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: is masochistic. I love that. So it's the same deal

634
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: with the slimmer, like that is disgusting. No animal wants

635
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: to eat that. Let's eat it. So uh, it's so

636
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: rich in protein. Hagfish slime can be used as an

637
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: egg white substitute, and it's apparently pretty good.

638
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 2: I mean, why, I guess it doesn't harm an animal,

639
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 2: right or does it?

640
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 1: I mean you gotta get it from the hagfish. And

641
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: the way to get the slime from the hagfish is

642
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: to like annoy it, so like you're basically annoying and

643
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: stressing out hagfish, and they're like, you.

644
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 2: Know, slime not vegan.

645
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: It's not not vegan. It's not vegan.

646
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 2: I mean, why replace.

647
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: I guess it's I mean, it's probably more sustainable than

648
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: chicken eggs. I don't feel like it sounds like it

649
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: would be, but I don't know.

650
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 2: Accept the world where we stop eating meat, we stop

651
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 2: like where what we do instead is just annoy animals

652
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: for their food. I do like that idea, Like it's

653
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 2: a it's an upgrade. You know, technically, we're not killing them,

654
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 2: We're just bothering. I wish we just pets.

655
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: I wish we could just like kind of tickle them though,

656
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: and then they like go to heat and then like

657
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: goosh out some other slime like that would be you know,

658
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: but I don't know preferred. Uh yeah, I mean you know,

659
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: I guess like you're thinking about it, like chickens are

660
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: probably more intelligent than hagfish, so they probably are more

661
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: like can like suffer more when we are, you know,

662
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: exploiting them for eggs or something in bad conditions, but

663
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: maybe yeah, they are less like aware of the situation.

664
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 2: Hopefully, if chickens are in good conditions, is what's going on?

665
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 2: As they lay eggs we take them, They're like I

666
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 2: just laid okay, kind of make more eggs, Like is

667
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 2: that what's going on? They just keep going, ah.

668
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 1: Well, no, it's probably fine, Like if they're in good conditions.

669
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: I don't think it really it's not a big problem

670
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: because they those are just like unfertilized eggs, So they

671
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: would they would, I mean in the wild, I think

672
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: because they were domesticated and selected for increased egg production.

673
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: Wildbirds I don't think would lay that many unfertilized eggs.

674
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,839
Speaker 2: But they're not like annoy at all, Like they're not like,

675
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 2: come on, stuff stealing my hand.

676
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think so. I mean maybe I

677
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: don't really know the psychology of a chicken, but no,

678
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: I don't think they'd be that disturbed because they probably

679
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: I would imagine they might have a sense of like,

680
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: these are fertilized eggs, but I.

681
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: Don't actually know.

682
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: I've never raised chickens. I don't know that much about

683
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: chicken farming, so maybe maybe wrong, maybe they're like they're

684
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: like my baby every time you scramble. Yeah, but yeah,

685
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: So in addition to being an egg white substitute hagfish.

686
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: Slime fibers are so strong and pliable, researchers are trying

687
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: to reverse engineer them to create flexible, strong fibers for

688
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: I guess technology.

689
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 2: Interesting.

690
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is interesting. I read something where it's like

691
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: the military is looking into this is like, of course

692
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: they are. They have such a huge they have such

693
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: a huge budget. They're just like, I don't know, get

694
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: some slime and make weapons out of them. We'll just

695
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,240
Speaker 1: make everything weapons.

696
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 2: So what you're what you're sort of saying is in

697
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 2: Spider Man two, The Amazing Spider Man two, where Electro

698
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 2: falls into a vat of electric eels in the lab.

699
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 2: That's not far off from realism.

700
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 1: I bet there was some kind of like arms uh

701
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: person like military research and development person watching that movie

702
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: and going like huh.

703
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, or they're like, oh they know about

704
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 2: our eels like.

705
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: Making a phone call, they know.

706
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

707
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 1: No, I mean, you know, could we just I would

708
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: like there to be some discovery where it's like it

709
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: doesn't immediately become militarized. That would be nice, Like can

710
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: we that would be can we just let him be slimy?

711
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: You know?

712
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 2: Right? But once again, man is the villain. We were

713
00:40:58,880 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 2: the villain the whole time.

714
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: You're the real monster.

715
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, at least we're not trying to eat them. I'm

716
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 2: glad we're just annoying them.

717
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, we'd still also eat the whole Uh why

718
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: they're apparently very tasty, you know, I don't know.

719
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't look tasty, but they do.

720
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: They decidedly do not. But apparently. I guess they're like

721
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: a big sausage.

722
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah they do. I guess they look like a

723
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 2: big sausage. That's true.

724
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 1: Well, on that note, we're going to take another quick break.

725
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,959
Speaker 1: You can, you know, change your change your shorts if

726
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: this got too scary for.

727
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 2: You, if you're too spooked, Yeah, if.

728
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 1: You're too spooked, and we will be right back. Where's

729
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: my soundboard? Here we go. This one's just called strange.

730
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 1: Oh that's horrible.

731
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what that was. We cat.

732
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 1: This is the worst, the worst sound pack I've ever ever.

733
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, this isn't great.

734
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: It's not good. It's not good. Here's a bell. It

735
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 1: says nice. That's a good one. That's a good one.

736
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 1: And it's going it keeps going. I guess it won't

737
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: be right back. All right, and we are back, and

738
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: I have a question for you. Do you think that

739
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: the Boogeyman is real?

740
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 2: Like uh like like a like a man who boogies

741
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 2: down like he's dancing, Yeah, disco dancing. Yeah, he's very real.

742
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: I guess disco died and so disco would be undead.

743
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 1: So that's spooky, right yeah, yeah.

744
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, there's yeah, sure, sure, bogeyman.

745
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, boogeyman. Yeah, that makes that makes sense to me.

746
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: But what we are actually going to talk about is

747
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: a real life boogie wogie worm who wants to kill you.

748
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 2: Oh no, oh no, what is that? Is someone in

749
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 2: a like a a wind chime storm.

750
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: I've got like a bunch of wine glasses and I'm

751
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: going to town on them, you know, with the like

752
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: the rims, And you go, oh yeah, but spooky anyways, Yes, uh,

753
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: this is the Linomia obliqua. And it is not exactly

754
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: a worm but a silkworm. So silk silkworms are actually

755
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 1: the caterpillars of the giant silkworm moth. They are found

756
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 1: in South America and they are not used in silk

757
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: production for a very good reason. So these are actually

758
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 1: quite cute. I think they are fluffy little caterpillars with black,

759
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 1: brown and white banding on their tour so and green

760
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: pine needle like hairs that's sprout all oh, sprout out

761
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,439
Speaker 1: all over their bodies. And yeah, they're they're cool looking.

762
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 1: They look like cool caterpillars.

763
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. I wouldn't want to touch them because of the

764
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 2: pine needle things, but they're very they're they're yeah, they're

765
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 2: little grubs. I like it. Yeah.

766
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. They're also highly social and will form big groups,

767
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: often huddling together on a tree trunk, and when they

768
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 1: are startled, say by a loud sound, they will jump

769
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: up in a defensive posture. So when you have whole

770
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: groups of these guys huddled together and you startle them,

771
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: they'll all jump up at the same time like they're dancing,

772
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: but they're not dancing. You're just kind of pissing them off. Yeah,

773
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: and you don't want to piss them off. But I

774
00:44:55,160 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: shared with you there's a video durable.

775
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 2: It's so cute.

776
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: It's very cute.

777
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 2: That is Oh my goodness. That's like when I startle

778
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 2: both of my cats at the same time, they both

779
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 2: look up. That's so cute.

780
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's very cute. It's kind of a mean

781
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: thing to do because you're basically just startling these caterpillars.

782
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: But also you probably don't want to piss them off

783
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: too much because I guess I forgot to mention they

784
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: are the world's deadliest caterpillar. Oh yeah, good for them.

785
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: So Dave, your instincts are like right on today because

786
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: you're correct not wanting to touch them. Those pine needle

787
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: like bristles on their bodies are actually called irticating hairs,

788
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: and many caterpillars have them. Even other types of animals

789
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: like spiders have them. In fact, plants sometimes have them.

790
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: So an irdicating hair is any kind of hair or

791
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: bristle that sometimes they're covered in barbs or a toxin

792
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: that causes irritation, harm, or, in the case of the

793
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: Lunomia obliqua, actually death. So wow, these hairs on this

794
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: caterpillar are hollow, and each hair has a gland that

795
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: dispenses a highly potent toxin that flows through these hollow

796
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,760
Speaker 1: hairs like little syringes, and it's covered in these hairs,

797
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: and each hair has its own little venom gland, And

798
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 1: so touching or stepping on the caterpillar will cause you

799
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: to be pricked and envenomated. The venom messes with your

800
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: blood's coagulation. Coagulation is important because it is what basically

801
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: regulates your blood's ability to form clots, and clotting is

802
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: important not just for like wounds outside of your body,

803
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: but wounds inside, wounds inside your body like tears or

804
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: rips and blood vessels, you know, damage to sells, things

805
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: like that. And so if you have too much coagulation,

806
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: you can form blood clots, and this is the method

807
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: of action of a lot of venom. But if you

808
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: have too little coagulation, you can actually have hemorrhaging, like

809
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: a lot of bleeding, and both of these things are

810
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: quite serious, and the l obliqua toxin actually causes both problems.

811
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: So the venom contains these powerful anticoagulants, but it's not

812
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: just an anticoagulant and completely messes with your blood's coagulation process.

813
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: So when it first enters the blood stream, it actually

814
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: can cause blood clots throughout the body, and then it

815
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: causes the opposite problem by actually causing a bunch of bleeding.

816
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:43,479
Speaker 1: And so all this uncontrolled bleeding, the inability to form

817
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: clots inside of the body can cause things like brain hemorrhage,

818
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: damage to kidneys, and it can often be fatal. So

819
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: the death rate is about two point five percent with treatment.

820
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: Now that doesn't sound bad, right, Yeah, you know you

821
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 1: said these are super deadly, but consider that in the US,

822
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: venomous snake bites have a death rate of about zero

823
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: point zero five percent when treated. So these things are

824
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,439
Speaker 1: more serious than snake bites in the US.

825
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 2: These Wow, these little guys will mess you up.

826
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: They will mess you up.

827
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 2: Aside from like a virus like these feel like one

828
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,439
Speaker 2: of the smallest things that can kill you.

829
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: Like organisms, Yeah, I think I'm trying to think. Box

830
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: jellyfish are quite small. They can also kill you. The

831
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: blue spotted octopus. I guess those are probably a little bigger,

832
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,280
Speaker 1: maybe around the same size. I don't know, maybe bigger

833
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: in total mass or something. Those are also quite small.

834
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: Palm of your hand can also kill you. Yeah, But

835
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: like obviously mosquitoes can kill you, but it's not the

836
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 1: actual mosquito. It is the virus that they are transmitting

837
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: to you, or the pathogen that they are transmitting to you.

838
00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 2: These little guys are like assassins.

839
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:04,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think they're actually sometimes called

840
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 1: like assassin caterpillars. So yeah, and remember I said like earlier,

841
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 1: they're highly social. You saw that they formed this big

842
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: group on the tree. And so the most dangerous cases

843
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: of in venomation aren't like if you kind of just

844
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 1: like touch one, it's gonna suck, it's gonna hurt really bad,

845
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: You're gonna probably get bruises. It's a bad time. Do

846
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: not ever touch these. But you probably wouldn't die if

847
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: you just got like one little prick from one little caterpillar.

848
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: If you're a grown adult, you're in for a bad time.

849
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: But if you touch multiple ones all at once, that

850
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: is really a dangerous situation. And so if you like

851
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: lean your hand against a tree and you're not paying attention,

852
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: like say you're in Brazil, like in the in the rainforest,

853
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: and you lean against a tree and you like and

854
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: the trees like, huh, this tree is awfully fuzzy, And

855
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: then you look and your hand is just covered and

856
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 1: that is, uh, that's a really bad time. And in fact,

857
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: there's been an increase in invenomations, and that is because

858
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: we have been encroaching more on forest territory in places

859
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: like Brazil and so the more humans are closer to

860
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: these areas where these caterpillars are, the more accidental uh

861
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: invenomations happen, and they can be very serious.

862
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 2: The rainforest is a lot like the ocean, where just

863
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 2: don't go in it. That's it. Just don't go in it.

864
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 1: Respect it, you know what I mean, Like just like

865
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: you can visit it if you want, but like I

866
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 1: respect it.

867
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 2: If you go in it, don't touch anything. Yeah, don't

868
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 2: touch anything.

869
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:43,720
Speaker 1: That's right. You gotta you gotta respect it, man. I yes,

870
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: I think that, Like it is a little bit of

871
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 1: a hint for us, isn't it, Because like it's it

872
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 1: also sucks because I don't like the people who get

873
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,399
Speaker 1: you know, like the invenimated by these caterpillars, they don't

874
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: like deserve it, like and it's often children, and it's

875
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: like often children can they don't have like that much

876
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: spatial awareness and like they're little, and so it's a

877
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 1: lot more serious for them. So it's like it just

878
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,280
Speaker 1: really sucks, Like, you know, we got it. We gotta

879
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: respect nature because it's you know, we need it and

880
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 1: it's sometimes dangerous.

881
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 2: I feel like this is one where like you look

882
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 2: at this caterpillar and you kind of instinctively know, like

883
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 2: I probably shouldn't touch that caterpillar. So you're right, is

884
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 2: that it feels like a lot of it's accidental, Yeah,

885
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 2: because it's like it can still mess you up if

886
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 2: you accidentally brush up against it.

887
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just lean against a furry tree and next

888
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: thing you know, you're in the hospital.

889
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Man, they're they're adorable, but yeah they're

890
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 2: that's I mean, again, good on them. They're taking down giants,

891
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 2: so that's neat. But yeah, you're right, is that it's Ah,

892
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 2: it feels like the people affected by this aren't necessarily

893
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 2: meaning them all.

894
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 1: No, no, no, like you know, like little children, maybe

895
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: they're like unaware or step on one or like yeah,

896
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: touch one intentionally. But because they're children, they don't know.

897
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 2: So some of them are going to put them in

898
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 2: their mouth.

899
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that can be bad as well. That that's

900
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: because then they're covered in that tox and you get

901
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 1: that in your mouth, bad, bad stuff happening. Don't Yeah, yeah,

902
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: don't do that. I mean, like that's that's the point

903
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: of the toxin is to ward off predators, to be

904
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: like you're gonna get you know, you're gonna get messed

905
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: up because it causes a lot of pain too, Like

906
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: when you when you touch it, like you you immediately

907
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: know something's wrong because it's very painful.

908
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 2: Right that it reminds me of like like stinging nettle

909
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 2: and all those those plants where.

910
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, yeah, I mean a lot like those

911
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: a lot of those plants. They're the the stinging portion

912
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: of them as actually irdicating hairs, the same kind of

913
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,280
Speaker 1: system that these caterpillars use, which is is really fascinating.

914
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: It's really interesting.

915
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,879
Speaker 2: Bugs are like meaty plants in a way, like well,

916
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 2: like they live in the plant world. They're very closely connected,

917
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 2: and I feel like the they take a lot from

918
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 2: the plant world. Yeah, you know, obviously there's bugs that

919
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 2: look like plants. Yeah, but it feels like they also

920
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 2: like that plants can eat them, and they eat plants.

921
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 2: Like what a what a life? What a relationship? Well,

922
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 2: imagine living in a home and being like, but you

923
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 2: can eat the walls, but watch out because every now

924
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 2: and then the walls will also eat you.

925
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: That'd be a fun home, I gotta say, Like it'd

926
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: be kind kept on your toes, but you can eat

927
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: the walls. That's great. Yeah, yeah, no, there's there's all

928
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: sorts of cool relationships between bugs and plants, insects and plants,

929
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: and also spiders and plants just just an amazing kind

930
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: of like I've talked about this on the show before,

931
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: but like a pitcher plant and a spider. They both

932
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: these like I think they're called orchid spiders, and the

933
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 1: spiders look kind of like flowers. They're very they're very beautiful,

934
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: and then they live in these pitcher plants and they

935
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:54,240
Speaker 1: both eat insects, and so you'd think that the spider,

936
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: by living in the picture plant is just stealing insects

937
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: from the pitcher plant, but actually the spider presence gives

938
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: the picture plants a higher kill rate when it comes

939
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: to bugs, because like essentially the spiders, if the spider

940
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: doesn't like successfully catch the bug, it's at least like

941
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 1: driven it into the picture and then or it will

942
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: like suck out the juices from the bug, drop the

943
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:20,760
Speaker 1: rest into the picture and the picture plant can actually

944
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: digest more of it than the spider can, and then

945
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: when the spider dies, it actually will drop into the

946
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 1: picture plant and then like you know, it's funny because

947
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 1: They're like friends, have this great relationship and then like

948
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: the spider dies and it's like it's last gift, like

949
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,439
Speaker 1: I have bequeathed to you my body enjoy.

950
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 2: Yep, it's it's Homer eating the lobster.

951
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, yeah, exactly. Yeah. The picture plant crying. It

952
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 1: doesn't know neither of them none, neither of them know

953
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: what's going on. Yeah, it's great. It's cooperation that really

954
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: screw over these little flies. Speaking of speaking of spiders,

955
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:06,280
Speaker 1: actually to a less sort of a topic of the episode.

956
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 1: Just short little story. It's a cute little Halloween story

957
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: about spiders. There are species of spiders that build Halloween decorations. Specifically,

958
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: they will build giant spider effigies. Oh, and the Peruvian

959
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,959
Speaker 1: Amazon as well as in Madagascar, there are these two

960
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 1: species of cyclosa spider. They're very small spider and they

961
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: use dead bugs and other debris to build giant spider

962
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: shaped sculptures on their webs.

963
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 2: Oh is this I assume to make themselves feel like

964
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 2: they're bigger spiders.

965
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 1: It's a real confidence booster.

966
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 2: No.

967
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: I've shared at the bottom of the doc there's an

968
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 1: image of it so you can really see it. Does

969
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 1: it does, like from a distance, it would fool you.

970
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: It looks like a spider. Yeah, like a big old spider.

971
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, the little spider statues.

972
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the exact purpose of these uh sculptures is unknown.

973
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 1: These are relatively recently discovered spiders, but the leading theory

974
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: is that this is an anti predator defense system. So like, right,

975
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: there's lots of insects or you know, other things that

976
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: would love to snack on these spiders because they're little.

977
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: These are like three millimeters big, so they're a tasty

978
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 1: snack to a lot of predators. But they are these

979
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: predators would be much less likely to try to tangle

980
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: with a spider like ten times that size. And they

981
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 1: don't realize that this huge spider is actually just a

982
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: fake one built out of built out of a bunch

983
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:43,399
Speaker 1: of dead fly corpses. And so I just it's it's

984
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: adorable to me, just like, well, I'm your little guy,

985
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: so I better build a big spider. It's like, yeah,

986
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: it's like in a bug's life where they build the

987
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 1: giant bird or it's.

988
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 2: Wizard, like it's exactly little guy just pretended to be

989
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 2: a bigger guy. I love it.

990
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I meal big do worry about it is.

991
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 2: That I wanted to like jiggle the web to make

992
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 2: it move a little.

993
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: I wonder, yeah, that would be interesting because yeah, we

994
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:10,240
Speaker 1: really don't know exactly like what they do their behavior.

995
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 1: They're so recently discovered. But yeah, I yeah, like God,

996
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: I wouldn't I wouldn't necessarily be surprised because I know

997
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: that there's there are animals that will do things like

998
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: move around to make their deception more convincing, like this.

999
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: There's a viper that has like a tail that kind

1000
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: of looks like a worm, and they'll kind of move

1001
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: it around like a little worm. And then a or

1002
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: an insect or a spider. Oh right, there's a viper

1003
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: that has a tail that kind of looks like a spider,

1004
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 1: and they'll move it around in a way that makes

1005
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: it kind of look like a little spider scrabbling over

1006
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: a rock. And then a bird comes to try to

1007
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: eat it, and the snake just like crabs the bird man.

1008
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm really looking for if I read about

1009
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 1: any updates on this spider with more research coming out,

1010
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 1: I will update people about it because it's it's so good.

1011
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: I just love this. The ingenuity of this little spider

1012
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: like it probably doesn't know what it's doing. It's just

1013
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: this evolutionary like it just one started pretating dead bugs

1014
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: against the web got eaten less, and then the ones

1015
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: that had the more convincing spider look because it's it's

1016
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: not that hard to make this spider out of dead bugs,

1017
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: because you get just got a bunch of dead bugs

1018
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: in the center, and then dead bugs on some of

1019
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: these supporting threads leading outwards from the web, and now

1020
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: you got yourself a spider.

1021
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 2: Right. Do you think they like, yeah, because you're right

1022
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 2: is they don't know what they're doing. But do you

1023
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 2: think they were like, at first they built it out

1024
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 2: too far and they're like, no, that doesn't work for

1025
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 2: some reason because it doesn't look like a spider anymore,

1026
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 2: and so they have to like hone it in slowly.

1027
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: It cannot. I can't imagine it works on an individual

1028
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: level where it is a single spider learning this process.

1029
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,919
Speaker 1: I highly doubt that. I think it's more in terms

1030
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: of evolution, where it's just it's weird to think about,

1031
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: but evolution works on such an enormous scale over you know,

1032
00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: millions of years, and then with spiders, they reproduce so frequently,

1033
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: so millions of years for a spiders even longer in

1034
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: terms of like they're how quickly they reproduce, how many

1035
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: generations that is, And so I can imagine it being

1036
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: to the point of where it is. It is encouraging

1037
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 1: shaping the behavior in such a way that the spider's

1038
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: instinct to collect detritus and put it on the web

1039
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: has just been optimally shaped to be just the right

1040
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: amount so that it will protect it. But the spider itself,

1041
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: I don't know that there's any like that is following

1042
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 1: any template. I mean, similarly, the spider builds these amazing

1043
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 1: webs like they can. They are capable of having an

1044
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: instinctive pattern that they just go out and do, and

1045
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 1: so I think that's probably a similar thing where it's

1046
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 1: like evolution has driven them to create this like mental

1047
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: pattern that they are born with instinctively and then they

1048
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: just perform it. They don't know why. They're just spider.

1049
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 1: They're just like do doon spider stuff. Yeah, this feels

1050
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: this just feels right.

1051
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 2: It just works. They could be a spider serial killer

1052
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 2: because this is the equivalent of us like making a

1053
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 2: human statue using bones.

1054
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we did that though, like the catacombs, the

1055
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: Parisian catapcombs just like built a bunch of like chandeliers

1056
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 1: out of bones, a bunch of boared monks and.

1057
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 2: Stuff like yeah, they really they're like they got we

1058
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 2: did it. We did the bone stuff. We did that anxiety.

1059
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 2: We were like, let's let's do let's have our bone run.

1060
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 2: Let's just see what we can build out of bones.

1061
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 2: It's like when you play Minecraft and you're like, I'm

1062
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 2: going to make a dirt palace just for fun like that.

1063
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 2: That's yeah, we were like, let's let's do bones.

1064
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's like it's like when you have when someone's board,

1065
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 1: they will do make art out of whatever they have.

1066
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Speaker 1: And so these like board monks and these like catacombs,

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Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know what we got. We got

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Speaker 1: a bunch of bones.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's u let's do something with it.

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Speaker 1: Are we so different from from the spiders? Not really

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Speaker 1: just fewer legs and arms nice, but then we're essentially

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Speaker 1: exactly the same, honestly. Yeah, God, I love spiders. I

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Speaker 1: I had a little bit of a fly invasion, like

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Speaker 1: these drain flies because I went on vacation and they're like, ah,

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Speaker 1: nobody's here. I'm gonna like find some water somewhere. And

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Speaker 1: like just a bunch of drain flies came and then

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Speaker 1: there was like this big pile of dead, dead drain flies.

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Speaker 1: It's like, excellent. I love to see that because I

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01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 1: hate these drain flies. And then I look up and

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Speaker 1: there's just this very fat, satisfied little spider. I'm like, dude,

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01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 1: I love you. Man time, I'm happy enough to sweep

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01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 1: up your It's essentially it's like someone you know, eating

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01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 1: a bunch of chips or drinking a bunch of cans

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01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 1: and coat of coke and just like dropping them down.

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01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: They'll suck the juices out of these flies and then

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Speaker 1: just drop the carcass down and man, I will I

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01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 1: will tidy up for you because I appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: This is great. Yeah, I wish I would chips were

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01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 2: like a pest for somebody else. I wish I got

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01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 2: a plot chips. Good job. God, someone had to get

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Speaker 2: rid of.

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01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 1: Those chips, like arace of giants AND's like, we're sick

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01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 1: of these delicious critos.

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01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 2: Exactly could someone eat these doritos. I'm your guy, I

1095
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 2: got this for you.

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01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be great, a symbiotic relationship based on

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01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 1: our ability to love doritos.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I want it so bad.

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Speaker 1: Well, before we go, we've got to play a little game.

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01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 1: Do you want to play a little game?

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01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 2: Oh no, Oh my god, that gentleman does not want

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01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:40,959
Speaker 2: to play a game.

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01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a button on This just called Porchure,

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01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 1: which is again best best soundboard every day. This game

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01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 1: is called Guess His Squawk and it's the Mystery animal

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01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 1: sound game. Every week I play a mystery animal sound

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01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 1: and you the listener, and hey, you the guests, trying

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01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 1: to guess who is squawking?

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01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 2: So is it any animal?

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01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 1: Or is this any can you literally any animal? I

1111
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 1: won't trick you into a plant, but yes, any animal?

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01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 1: All right. So last week's hint was you've been lied to.

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01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 1: These guys don't have wings, all right, So can you

1114
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: guess who is squawking?

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01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 2: You even lied to? They don't have wings. Uh, I'm trying

1116
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 2: to think of what food. Buffalo?

1117
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 1: You are correct, Yes, this is the African buffalo. It

1118
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 1: is found in sub Saharan Africa. Yeah, and so they

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01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: are not to be confused with the American bison. Yeah,

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01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 1: this is actually also not an ancestor of like domesticated cows.

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01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 1: This is a separate sort of line, but yeah, it

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01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 1: What I like about these guys is they're literally undomesticatable.

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01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 1: They're so ornery and unpredictable that humans just kind of

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01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: gave up. They're just like, no, they're what.

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01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 2: They're like the worms, where.

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01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 1: We're like, yeah, they're just they're just the worms. But

1127
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 1: in yeah, just like these huge, huge buffalo with horns,

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01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 1: they don't like to be messed with, and we gave

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01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:40,919
Speaker 1: up on ever trying to domesticate them.

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01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate that. I mean, buffalo, they had some trouble,

1131
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 2: they were hunted a lot. But I like the current

1132
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 2: state where it's like, it's my favorite thing about places

1133
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 2: like Yellowstone where you hear like a tourist mauld and

1134
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 2: the response is like, yeah, I shouldn't have gone near me.

1135
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, And those are so those are actually American. I

1136
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 1: know we called buffalo, but they're actually they're bison. Bison. Yes,

1137
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 1: and we say like we're the buffalo roa and blah

1138
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 1: blah blah, but yeah, those are those are American bison.

1139
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 1: They look somewhat similar. The bison are shaggyar the African

1140
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 1: bufalo doesn't typically have that shaggy coat. Its horns are

1141
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 1: a little different. They have more of them, like a

1142
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 1: handlebar mustache on top of their heads. But yeah, no

1143
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:29,000
Speaker 1: they I mean, American bison do well, like if people

1144
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 1: think they can just like walk up to them and

1145
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 1: like because they're fluffy, and you know, we don't think

1146
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 1: of herbi wars as being dangerous, but then the bison

1147
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 1: is just like, oh honey, I gotta I gotta teach

1148
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 1: you a lesson and just toss you.

1149
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,000
Speaker 2: I had an aunt who worked at Yellstone, and there's

1150
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 2: very much this idea of like national parks are also

1151
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 2: theme parks, and it's like they are not fair places

1152
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 2: where you will die, yes, and you can't sue anybody

1153
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 2: for that.

1154
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 1: You can't.

1155
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 2: They will just go.

1156
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 1: Yeah that you can't see a bison, you can't to

1157
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 1: a buffalo. African buffalo are similarly dangerous. They will kill

1158
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 1: over two hundred people a year either by trampling goring them,

1159
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 1: so they are not to be trifled with.

1160
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't go near them unless you really think you

1161
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 2: have a connection to one, right and you're like, oh

1162
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 2: this one, this one will let me ride it.

1163
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 1: If you've ridden your will out, settled all your affairs,

1164
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 1: and you look one in the eye. Actually, no, if

1165
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 1: the buffalo speaks to you says like it's okay, Dave,

1166
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 1: you can come here, it's it is definitely going to

1167
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 1: murder you and be like, yeah.

1168
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 2: Definitely, multiple things are going wrong. If that right, you

1169
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 2: have to be very concerned, David, it's fine. Then you

1170
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 2: have to wonder like, what was the last thing I

1171
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 2: ate drink and then try to ride it. Yeah, it's

1172
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 2: got those horns. You can hold them like any.

1173
01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 1: Yes, you can definitely hold them with your tour. So yeah,

1174
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:04,439
Speaker 1: having them inside of your tour, so going right through it.

1175
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 1: So yeah, but good job, good guessing. You absolutely nailed

1176
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 1: that one.

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01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 2: Well you nailed it with the clue. I was like, yeah,

1178
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 2: it doesn't have wings. When we say has wings, I

1179
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 2: was like, chickens, Nope, they have wings. They have chicken

1180
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 2: when pigs fly.

1181
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 1: No, no, no, yeah, but uh yeah, you know buffalo

1182
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 1: wings actually from a chicken.

1183
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 2: Weird, right, Yeah, it is weird.

1184
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 1: It's like how Greenland is kind of icy.

1185
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 2: It's icy. Yeah, I don't know why. I don't know

1186
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 2: what the deal is. What's the deal, what's the deal.

1187
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 1: Anyways, congratulations again to Bob and to Steven M for

1188
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 1: guessing correctly that this was the buffalo onto this week's

1189
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 1: mystery animal. Sound hint is just happy Halloween.

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01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 2: Oh everhar.

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01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 1: A walk a walk a walk ever horror.

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01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 2: Walk a walk A walk a walker? Well, so that

1193
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 2: I assume that's Fozzy Bear drunk. It's the dark Fozzy

1194
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 2: Bear tapes that they don't want you to hear. Walk

1195
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 2: a walk, A walk a walk.

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01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 1: It is actually an animal and not a human being.

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01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 2: Do I get to guess?

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01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:36,600
Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely, And if you're right, I will bleep you out.

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01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm guessing it's because well I won't explain why.

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01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 1: Oh you are absolutely correct, so you will be bleeped out.

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01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 2: Okay.

1202
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 1: I I do want to mention at the end there

1203
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 1: was a little meal that was in fact actually a cat.

1204
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 1: I guess the person recording also has a cat. Uh,

1205
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 1: and so like a cat just starts mewing and these

1206
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 1: things happen, you know, as a cat owner.

1207
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:06,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I feel like any anytime someone has like

1208
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 2: a weird animal, there's always a cat there in the background,

1209
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 2: Like that's that's just something they have too.

1210
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:15,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it's just cats.

1211
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:20,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, cats are not impressed by other animals. I've noticed

1212
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:23,559
Speaker 2: that about them generally speaking. Like if you put a

1213
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 2: polar bear in front of a cat, the cat's gonna

1214
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:28,520
Speaker 2: bat at it. It's like it doesn't care. It absolutely

1215
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:32,120
Speaker 2: doesn't care what it is. You've seen like cat meeting

1216
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 2: a dolphin and it just sniffs it and it's it's

1217
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 2: like whatever, man, Like, they just don't care. What I

1218
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:40,679
Speaker 2: love is that other creatures will genuinely like you've seen

1219
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 2: cats chase bears on YouTube, Yeah, they'll genuinely go ah.

1220
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 2: So that makes me think cats are like the spiders

1221
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:49,599
Speaker 2: of the mammal world, where they're like, yeah, those things

1222
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 2: freak me out.

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01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:56,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're the hagfish of the mammal world. Like other

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01:09:56,760 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 1: animals just don't want to deal with them. Yep, And

1225
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 1: humans for some reason are like, well I'll introduce this

1226
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:05,759
Speaker 1: thing to my life.

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01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, why not, I'll put this wild animal in my house.

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01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:13,680
Speaker 1: Well, Dave, thank you so much for coming to this mienisode,

1229
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 1: to this spectacular. I really appreciate it. I hope you're

1230
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 1: having a good Halloween working oh find you well.

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01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 2: First of all, thanks for having me on. I quite

1232
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 2: enjoyed being on this. I rarely plug my Twitter, so

1233
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:32,559
Speaker 2: I will at movie Hooligan is my Twitter handle. I

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01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 2: do a podcast series, as you mentioned with Tom Ryman,

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01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 2: called Gamefully Unemployed g A M E f U L

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Speaker 2: Y Unemployed. Wherever you get your podcasts, you can find that.

1237
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:48,520
Speaker 2: And we mostly do movies. In fact, we almost exclusively

1238
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 2: do movie stuff and TV and entertainment. So yeah, we

1239
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 2: have a podcast where we go over the trailers of

1240
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 2: the week. We have a review podcast where we watch

1241
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 2: a movie every week, and so so check that out.

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01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 1: Absolutely check it out. It is a great podcast network.

1243
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 1: And hey, thank you guys so much for joining me

1244
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 1: here enjoying the podcast, and you leave me a review.

1245
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:15,640
Speaker 1: I read every single one of your reviews, and I

1246
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 1: won't lie to you. I like the good reviews the best.

1247
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, and hey, you know what, thanks to the

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01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:27,839
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Speaker 1: or Hey, kiss what wherever you listen to your favorite

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Speaker 1: shows and guys, have us Spooky Holly.

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Speaker 2: It's a jog.

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Speaker 1: Here's a Spooky Dog. Who is this spooky boy