1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: Why from our nations this budget thing is going to 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: do nothing spaceports. I still think it's interesting President Trump 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: not playing his cards yet. Headlines Policy and Politics colliding 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: Floomberg Sound On The Insiders the Influencers Insides. I would 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: rather see a congressional solution. It's part of my DNA. 6 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: The Senate map in looks a lot different than it 7 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 1: looked in. You really have a divide within Team Trump. 8 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: The President has to do exactly what people sent him 9 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: here to do, which is to get it done. This 10 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 1: is Bloomberg Sound On with Heaven Shirley on Bloomberg one 11 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: and one oh five points h D two Thanksgiving, Eve, 12 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: Gobble Gobble. I'm Kevin Surley, Chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television, 13 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. Lots to get through, lots of preview, lots 14 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: of preview, because look, we get a couple of days 15 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: off and then when we come back, it's going to 16 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 1: be all about the impeachment inquiry, and folks, Senator Lindsey 17 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: Graham of the Judiciary Committee is going to be looking 18 00:00:55,840 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: into Hunter Biden. Plus will President Trump testify or send 19 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 1: a lawyer? The latest on that front as now, the 20 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: House Judiciary Committee, chared of course by Jerry Nadler wants him, 21 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: wants him to show up. Meanwhile, the White House is 22 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: in a pre Thanksgiving push to get U s m 23 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: c A over the finish line. But is that just 24 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: the pipe dream? We're gonna ask our two friends of 25 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: the program. We're having pizza today in the studio with 26 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: two friends of the program. Mark Ross, founder of Charicle globally, 27 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: hasn't been on like a year and a half, just kidding, 28 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: because he's been traveling for work at Louis Skiavoni. She, 29 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: of course, is a journalist and senior lecturer at Johns 30 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: Hopkins University Kerry Business School. Okay, before we talk trade policy, 31 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: let's first talk what's everybody doing for Thanksgiving? I'm sticking around. 32 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: I'm going to my daughter's place in the morning and 33 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: a friends place in the afternoon. I am not cooking 34 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: one single thing. You don't you know? Good for you, Louise. Yeah, 35 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: what are you doing in the morning though? Do you 36 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: get like turkey and for breakfast? I don't know. My 37 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: my daughter had something planned. I'm sure it's not turkey. 38 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: Because right now we have pizza in the studio because 39 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: anywhere Luise. Luise will refuse to come on the show 40 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: unlessre's pizza and her list, like you know how like 41 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: musicians have a list of things that they need. What's 42 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 1: that called the jelly the coconut jelly beans? Though I 43 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: have been consistently absent, I'm sorry, I'll tell I'm not gonna. 44 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 1: I'm so good, Christine Mark, what do you do every Thanksgiving? 45 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: To watch the Detroit Lines loose? Which is a which 46 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: is tradition in Michigan. I'm gonna eat pie for sure, 47 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: probably several. I don't discriminate between apple and pumpkin. I'm 48 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: happy with both of them. And then I'm gonna catch 49 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: up on The Crown. So I've watched the entire series 50 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: of The Crown. Oh my mom is obsessed with that. 51 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 1: My parents are coming up. I'm actually I'm not hosting. 52 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: We're going to a restaurant, but I'm saying that I'm 53 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: hosting all my family's coming down for Washington, so I 54 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: don't have to go anywhere. But speaking of this bipartisan ship, 55 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: last week, I briefly mentioned this, but the Bipartisan Policy 56 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: Center invited me to their first of what is there 57 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: hoping to be an annual thing with lawmakers and on 58 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: both sides of the aisles. It was like twenty people 59 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: and they put together a a like, how to handle 60 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: political discourse around the Thanks gonna take a really good idea? Well, 61 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 1: what was their idea? It's essentially dodged. I mean I told, 62 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: I told Arry Goldberg, who's there, cons guy over there? 63 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 1: It's so it says here here, here's discuss the main 64 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: course something media. If you have to discuss politics, discuss 65 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: substantial issues according to the Bipartisan Policy Center that mattered 66 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 1: to you and your family, the economy, healthcare, energy, civil rights. 67 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: I'm looking at this setting priorities is a challenge for 68 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: our government. Can your table agree on three of the 69 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: following issues you would most like Congress and the President's 70 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: work together on. So what they propose is asking for areas, 71 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: asking a question that would unite people and Senate. The 72 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: vibe I'm like where I grew up. Everyone, it's hard 73 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: to get a word in edgewise. You've got Democrats, Republicans, vegetarians, libertarians, vegans, 74 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: everything you know talking about about politics. Yeah, that sounds 75 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: actually kind of boring, And I think that's why we 76 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: vote representatives to handle these issues. I mean, you know, 77 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: I can't we have one day where we're not talking 78 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: about politics. Yeah, I know, I I completely, I completely 79 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 1: agree with that. So I'm going to this. The thing 80 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 1: I'm going to in the afternoon is like they're going 81 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: to be eighteen people, only one of whom I will 82 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: be related to, but a lot of journalists who I 83 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: have worked with over the years, and um, they're always 84 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: very interesting and jaded. I think the more the more, 85 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: I've never been more fired out of my life. I'm 86 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 1: not having dinner with you about my ancient generation. For 87 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: the record, I've never been more fired up and energized 88 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: in my life. Okay, so anyway, you see we've already 89 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: started the Thanksgiving conversa ahead of time. But um, but 90 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: I really think that that discussing politics of any type 91 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: is it's just deadly. First of all, I think I 92 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 1: think people find it. That's a little everyone's writing about this. 93 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: People Magazine has a story out today how to survive 94 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: talking about politics that Thanksgiving has the story out how 95 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 1: to fight with your family at Thanksgiving drop the butter knife? Uh? 96 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: And then what else an NPR surviving family politics at Thanksgiving? 97 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: I mean, everyone's writing about this. But here's the thing. 98 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I say, talk about it. If you 99 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: can't talk with your family about politics, what what what 100 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: can you talk about? Well, I think it's always helpful 101 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: with people say things to just say that's very interesting, 102 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: and um, you know, what is the point of engaging 103 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: people over the dinner table where people are going to 104 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 1: be upset? Isn't the point of these holidays where you 105 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: get together with people to sort of enjoy yourself as 106 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: opposed to get getting completely in. That's not That's not 107 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: my experience with my family and seeing somebody who industrial 108 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: Midwest and moved to the East Coast. I like to 109 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: go back and see my union uncles. They're like, what 110 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 1: are you doing? What's happening? You're part of the problem, 111 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 1: So you're part of the solution market. I think Congressman 112 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: Sean Duffy was on the was on Fox News earlier 113 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: today and he says, don't ban political conversations at Thanksgiving dinner. Listen, 114 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: you know what I say, I say, talk about whatever 115 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: you want to talk about, you know, and and you know, 116 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: let the chips fall over there. But don't you find 117 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: Italians talk a lot about food anyway? I mean so Italian. 118 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: We'll talk about everything. We'll talk about We'll talk about 119 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: recipes around around a table where food is the is 120 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: the main subject. And I think people love to talk 121 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: about people as opposed to issues. Listen, I'm not a historian, 122 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: but if I do know the Pilgrims and the Native Americans, 123 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: and I mean that was an inherently political discord. That 124 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: was a geopolitical meeting of the minds as it is. 125 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: I think it was a takeover, but it was. It 126 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: was the the idea that there wasn't a political undertone 127 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: of what is my favorite holiday is Thanksgiving? You get 128 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: all the food you want, you can eat more, and 129 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: then you get Hog's the next day with turkey and them. 130 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: But from respectfully, you date back to the to the 131 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: O G Thanksgiving when they got off the mayflower and stuff. 132 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have noticed this, but 133 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: Virginia is now claiming that they were not. I've heard 134 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: Virginia now is saying we are the home of well 135 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: the first thing some Massachusetts even states for coming up, 136 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: we're gonna pivot to uh to politics. UH. Whether it's 137 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: going to be a huge conversation point of conversation today. 138 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: I think I think, I think impeachment is going to 139 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: be what everybody's talking about at the Thanksgiving table and 140 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: why the Philadelphia Eagles stink and if they should have 141 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: kept Nick Foles or Carson Wentz. But I just want 142 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: to say, if people talking about impeachment, it will be 143 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: like a thousand percent everybody will have the wrong take 144 00:07:55,040 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: on it. So you mentioned James first Thanksgiving. You mentioned 145 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: this just so everybody knows. I mean the Commonwealth. It's 146 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: the bottle of the Commonwealth, and they really are. But 147 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: all I'm gonna say, I'm not stepping in this. I'm 148 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: so grateful for our Virginia listeners and they've just welcomed me, 149 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: this Philadelphia and this Delko president and Philadelphia Eagle fan 150 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: into their their rush hour coute. But I will say, 151 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: at least Philly, Philly is where the capital should be 152 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: coming up. We talk U S M c A with 153 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: Mark Cross and Luiski Avoni. I was gonna do that 154 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: segment at the end of the show, but I couldn't 155 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: help it. I'm gonna have a bite of pizza in 156 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: the break. Download The Bloomberg Sound on podcast on Apple 157 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: iTunes and Bloomberg dot Com or by downloading the Bloomberg 158 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: Business app. Uh. You can find us on Radio dot com, 159 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 1: I Art Radio and Spotify and Kevin's really I'm so 160 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: excited to eat turkey tomorrow. You're listening to Bloomberg nine one. 161 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: You're listening to Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin Surley on 162 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: Bloomberg and one oh five point seven f m h 163 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: D two. The economy is booming, way jes A rise, 164 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: crime is falling, poverty is plummeting, Confidencious Sor, and America 165 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: is stronger than ever before. President Donald Trump speaking in 166 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: South Florida Tuesday evening, He's spending the Thanksgiving holiday at 167 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: his golf club in West Palm Beach, and he hosted 168 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: a campaign rally Keep America Great event in Sunrise. He 169 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: said that people should be thankful for the economy. I'm 170 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: Kevin Sirilli, chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio. 171 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: Luiski Avoni is here, my good friend, my true friend. 172 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: We are true friends. No, I'm very grateful for her. 173 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: I'm thankful to our friendship. Journalists and senior lecturer at 174 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: John Hopkins University carry Business school. We go back years now. 175 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: Louise and Mark Ross, founder of Charricul Global, a friend 176 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: of mine as well. But sorry, Mark and I are friends. 177 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: You know, we met on your show. You know, look 178 00:09:54,800 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 1: at me now, all right, So we let's just of 179 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: this pole. The Quinnipiac poll good news for Joe Biden. 180 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: Joe Biden is proving to be tefland. I said it 181 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 1: a couple of months ago. I mean, no matter what 182 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: has thrown his way, the former Vice president continues to 183 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: remain at the top of the polls Bododa Judge surging 184 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: the second place. So this Quinnipiac pole, Biden gets the 185 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: support Democratic voters and independent voters who leaned Democratic. Elizabeth 186 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: Warren plunged and I'm trying to find the list here 187 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: here it is. Warren sank to third place and she 188 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: dropped to four percent. Wow. Bernie Sanders fell to fourth 189 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,599 Speaker 1: place from third, with his support following two points to 190 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: I'm reading from the Hill newspaper and um Buddha Judges 191 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 1: in seconds. So it goes Biden, Buddha, Jedge, Bernie, I'm 192 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: sorry Warren, and then Bernie, I mean Joe Biden's heading 193 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: into the Thanksgiving holiday. Who wants to go first. Joe 194 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: Biden's heading in. I have an opinion about this. I 195 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: think I think all along it looked like Biden was 196 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: going to percolate to the top of this field. But 197 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,040 Speaker 1: not because he's such an awesome candidate. It's just that 198 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: they're number one too many candidates in the Democratic fields, 199 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: and number two because there are so many uh check 200 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: marks against some of these other candidates, like, for instance, 201 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren. The more she talks about these programs that 202 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: she wants to see for the country, and the more 203 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: people get an idea about how expensive they are. And 204 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: I have to say that Biden, who um, and I'm 205 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: not saying this for partisan reasons, but he's really got 206 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: a challenge with articulating where he's going. But he has 207 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: managed to articulate how expensive the programs are. That Elizabeth 208 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: Warren is talking about the same thing with Bernie Sanders 209 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: uh and so I think that that has pulled her down. 210 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: And I have to say that I don't think it 211 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: helps to be a woman candidate. I just don't, and 212 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: I don't think that's fair. But I think that is 213 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: also an element. And Ludha Judge, he's sort of he 214 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 1: he doesn't really say um things that are controversial in 215 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: my opinion. Uh, this week and left the last debate, 216 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: what did he say? He equated the lgbt Q civil 217 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: rights movement with African American civil rights. Yeah, that's that's 218 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: never that's never a smart thing. He's got zero percent 219 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: with African American voters. There's a pull out in South 220 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: Carolina that says Biden's up twenty points. Wow, I mean 221 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: he's in good shape. I listen. I've been critical when 222 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: I when it when it warrants it with Biden world, 223 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: But I don't. I don't think he's heading into the 224 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving holiday in bad shape. No, he's not heading in 225 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: bad ship. He's not in great shape. I think the 226 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: challenge I'll say why, because I think there's three reasons. Basically, 227 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: if four candidates are gonna plenty of money, they're gonna 228 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: go to the distance. This I thought Joe Biden would 229 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: be able to clear the field and have a faster path. 230 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: But the way the Democratic Party also distributes delegates, they 231 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: do it by proportional voting, So even if you win 232 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: Iowa by one or two points, you get the headlines, 233 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: of course, but the delegates that is who votes in 234 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,599 Speaker 1: the convention is gonna be spread out between four or 235 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,719 Speaker 1: five candidates. That means this this battle is gonna go 236 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: on for a while. I think Biden would like to 237 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 1: see himself much closer to than to be in the 238 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: high twenties. And I think that's the problem, respectfully, And 239 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: and I say this to both in respect I disagree 240 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: with that because I don't see the evidence. Uh, the 241 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 1: Iowa caucus is, you know, and and in a couple 242 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: of months, and if you've got then you've got New Hampshire, 243 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 1: and then you've got South Carolina that's Super Tuesday, and 244 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: the bat there's always Nevada, and there's always going to 245 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: be a delicate fight in a threshold. It's not like 246 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: after the Iowa Caucus it's going to be close. You know, 247 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: it's not like he's running solo. But to have a 248 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: lead in South Carolina more people are getting into this 249 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: race that are getting out of it. So I think 250 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: that's also a sign of how, alright, how weak the 251 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: Democrat field is also, you know, it's certainly not bad, 252 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: but it's not as strong as he should be. And 253 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:44,599 Speaker 1: I think the fact that this may go on for 254 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: a while and the more Joe Biden talks frankly, the 255 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: more he gets himself in trouble. The more Elizabe Warrant 256 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: talks more she gets herself in trouble. Um, I don't know. 257 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: I think we're gonna have a longer fight. I think 258 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: that's really true. I completely agree with my good friend Mark. 259 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: But but but you know the point that the former 260 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: governor of Massachusetts is now getting into the race, the 261 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: former mayor of New York is getting into the race, 262 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: and he's got a ton of money. And you know 263 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 1: what Tip O'Neil used to say, money is the mother's 264 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 1: milk of politics, and if you've got a ton of money, 265 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: you're in good condition. So it'll be interesting to see 266 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: how this all shakes down. But in terms of how 267 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: how Democrats view they're democratic standard holder, I still think 268 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: that is still a hand. Patrick is like one former 269 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg is at three percent, 270 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: tied with Senators Kamala Harris and Amy klobuchar Um. But 271 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: with the issue of having so much money is in 272 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 1: this climate and this electorate, is that an asset or 273 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: a liability? I think it's totally an asset. It never 274 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: hurts to have a ton of money. I think the 275 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: Devlopatrick is running for vice president. Frankly, I mean having money, 276 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: no doubt is great. I mean, obviously, Michael Bloomer's report 277 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: out Today's I've committed more money to TV ads then 278 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: the entire current field has spent so far. You know, 279 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: I worked for Steve Forbes back in the day. He 280 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: had a lot of money. The key though, when you 281 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: have people actually donating money to you, right it makes 282 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: a huge difference. That means they're committed to you just 283 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: spending money, you know, It's the same question in this climate, 284 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: in this populous electorate climate, is an asset or a liability? 285 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: I think when you're running for office, you're you're just 286 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: you have to play the cards you're dealt. So, I mean, 287 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: the fact is that Michael Bloomberg wants to be president, 288 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: He's gonna have to spend a lot of money. That's 289 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: his path of victory. It's hard to say right now 290 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: if that's the best way, you know what I'm trying 291 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: to I'm trying to say, there's always challenges to how 292 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: you're gonna get in the White House, and that's his 293 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: best path forward. Um, certainly you know Buddha Jedge Sanders. 294 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: I mean, these guys can raise money any given time 295 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: they want, you know, even Cloba Shark. And it seems 296 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: like anytime she needs money she calls up her ex 297 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: boyfriends and they send some cash. I mean that's an 298 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: allusion to a quote that she gave don't drive off 299 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: the road if you're driving. I don't run that type 300 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: of show here, folks. Okay, it seems up money. It 301 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: was her words, her words. I agree. I thought it 302 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: was pretty funny. Umi was hilarious with that. By the way, Um, 303 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: I'm not sure any of my girlfriends would get any 304 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: girlfriends would get anyway. I think money is not gonna 305 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: be the problem. It's gonna be how are you gonna 306 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: get the delegates to win? And like the fact that 307 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: the fields expanding. I mean there's even rumors that Hillary 308 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: Clinton thing about this. Let's not I mean, I agree, 309 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: but let's that has not been put out there and 310 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: throughout throughout my travels the last few you know, I've 311 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: literally been on the road for two months. Um, I 312 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: was in the battleground state of Ohio. In my analysis, 313 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: you know, from talking talking to several people different. You know, folks, um, 314 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: nobody's really excited, like they kind of think Trump's a clown, 315 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: and nobody's really excited with the Democratic field. I mean, 316 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: I think it's it's kind of like a meat loaf primary. 317 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 1: Where were you traveling for work, just for your for 318 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: your different projects. It's been good And I don't know 319 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: why you and I did not go to Mark's brig 320 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: Dune Forum in Scotland. We have to do that next year, Okay, anything, 321 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: but but can I I just want to say that 322 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: I think one of the motivating factors among the electorate 323 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: this year is is anger. People love to be angry. 324 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: I mean, if you go on Twitter and you see 325 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: how angry people are. I knew nickname I've heard for 326 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: our buddy. You know. The mayor from South Bend is 327 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: Mayo Pete because he's so bland and so boring. He 328 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: is the antithesis. I mean he is like McKenzie, what 329 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:31,959 Speaker 1: is he gonna win? Who knows if he's gonna win. 330 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: But I mean he's there right now. He's in a 331 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: better position than Kobachar Andrew. I don't think we know, ye, 332 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: I don't think we know. Is this go on for 333 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: a while. I have to say that I'm disappointed Andrew 334 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 1: Yagg doesn't have more game because I think he's sort 335 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: of an interesting guy. But he's not. I don't I 336 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: think there's there's been all these stats out about how 337 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: little time he gets during the debates, and I totally 338 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: agree with this. He's been consistently made every single solitary debate. 339 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: He should be taken serious. Lee his idea should be 340 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: taken seriously. There are are the Democratic Party on the 341 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: issue of data collection, for example, in the international community. 342 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 1: They that's that has its its roots in the Obama administration. 343 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 1: I mean his policy proposals are have been argued by 344 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: other politicians before. I I don't understand why Andrew doesn't 345 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: get more time. I think he deserves it. And um, yeah, 346 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 1: I think he's an intriguing, appealing, charismatic guy who's obviously 347 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: he's a policy He's talking honestly. I mean, he's like 348 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: saying these are like legit issues. He's a policier. And 349 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: I think that comes through when when when you talk 350 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 1: with him, and and I'll say this, it's it's very 351 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: similar when you interview Senator Elizabeth Woren, when you interview 352 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: Andrew Yang, Bernie Sanders, their policy nerds, you know, and 353 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: and they you might disagree with their policies, but they 354 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: want to talk policy, and you know it's interesting. All right, 355 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: Well enough on segment coming up, we will talk policy. 356 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk U S m c A on Thanksgiving 357 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 1: eve Day And just as a disclaimer, Michael Bloomberg is 358 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: the founder of majority owner of Bloomberg LP, the parent 359 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 1: company of Bloomberg News. Download the Bloomberg Sound On podcast 360 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: on Apple i Tunes, at Bloomberg dot com, or by 361 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: downloading the Bloomberg Business App. You can also find us 362 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: on Radio dot Com, I Heart Radio, and Spotify. I'm 363 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 1: Kevin Curreli Delco native and ready for Delco to come 364 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 1: to d C tomorrow. You're listening to Bloomberg. You're listening 365 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: to Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin Curreley on Bloomberg and 366 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: One on five point seven FM h D two. I'm 367 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: Kevin Cirelli, Cheap Washington, correspondent for Bloomberg Television, Bloomberg Radio 368 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: by guests Sir Mark Ross, founder of Charcoal Globe, What 369 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: will We? Skivoney, journalist senior lector at Johns Hopkins University 370 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: Carey Business School. All right, USMC buy, isn't it getting 371 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: Une Mark? Well, it depends who you listen to him, 372 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: but all indication, listening to all indications look like something 373 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: could happen next week. Mexico and Canada are in town today, 374 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 1: meaning what top people at u s T are. Um, So, 375 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: there's an appetite to get it done. I just think 376 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: it's just kind of it's just kind of their respect. 377 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what Canada Mexico say. It matters what 378 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: Speaker Pelosi says. I agree, But there's because I think 379 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: there's changes that need to be done. You know, the 380 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: labor unions are still looking for some changes that they 381 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: want modifications to the trade agreement. UM so yeah, No, 382 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 1: I think it's positive that they're here. I mean, anytime 383 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: you have trade negotiations, they should be meeting with USCR, 384 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: they should be meeting with Nancy Pelosi. Pelosi is the 385 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: one who has the She is literally the only person 386 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: right now who has the ability to get this negotiations 387 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: are done by the u STR. I'm sure they're in 388 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: contact with the Speaker's office to get this done. I 389 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: mean there's news reports saying the vote could happen as 390 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: soon as next week. So, according to to Bloomberg reporting, 391 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: Democrats are pushing for expanding the powers of US customs 392 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: agents to block the import of goods from Canada and 393 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: Mexico from factories found to be in violation of U 394 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 1: S m c A labor standards. Yeah, so, and that's 395 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: why she gets it's not all her. I mean she's 396 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: sort of waiting for a highstein from the unions. Right, 397 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: Let's let's let's do what we do Adelko and just 398 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: throw out the book. Um, it's like it's like my 399 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: Tom King expansion. He rips up the script. I'm throwing 400 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: out the book. Let's talk a specifically in Lehman's Lehman's terms, 401 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: what labor expansions are. What is the actual hold up 402 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: for liberals on U S m C I there are 403 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: the thoughts by the American US labor unions that Canada 404 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: and Mexico played by different rules, and that it's easier 405 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: for business to say outsourced manufacturing to Mexico and Canada, 406 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: and it's not fair. And so what would they like 407 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: you have changed? In basic terms? They would like to 408 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: see equality, right, that is the same labor practices that 409 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: are required in America, are required in Canada and Mexico, 410 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 1: so that it's never gonna happen. It might happen, all right, 411 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: you Fox businesses reporting US as game poker. Come next 412 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: week's c NBC says House Democrats are within range of 413 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: reaching a U. S m c A trade deal. Politico 414 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: trade ministers are close on changes to U S m 415 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: c A, and of course are Blue reporting is that 416 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: all of this is intensifying behind the scenes. Justin speaking 417 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: with several folks, and this week, I mean, they want 418 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: to get this done and and candidly, I think the 419 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 1: votes are already there. So but what about this monkey wrench. 420 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: Mexico's government is alarmed. The President Trump said he was 421 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: planning to designate Mexican drug cartels as terrorist organizations. That's 422 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: another thing that and it's it's classic Trump strategy to 423 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: you know, just sort of hurl this out there. In 424 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,479 Speaker 1: Mexico sees this asn't an attack on its sovereignty. Well, 425 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: if you look from a procedural standpoint, if light highs 426 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: are the man in the middle is having to negotiate 427 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 1: with Pelosi, who's caught between a rock and hard place 428 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: with AOC and the lake and the warrant ring of 429 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 1: the party on U S m c A. If you 430 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: look at it this way, there they Canada and Mexico 431 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 1: have to procedurally finalize any changes to the U S 432 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: m c A doctrine that everyone's agreed on correct. So 433 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 1: that would suggest that this that these meeting today, they 434 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: could be you know, going, there's always finalizing the details 435 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 1: the changes, and then the vote could happen next week, 436 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: do you know what I'm saying? And there's always you know, 437 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: it's there's three parties that are involved. I mean, Otto 438 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 1: is involved, Mexico City. There's votes that need to take 439 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: place in all three legislative bodies. So that's why is 440 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: there space. My experience on trade deals is a lot 441 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 1: of things that are said domestically, right, are set for 442 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: domestic political reasons, right. But when you get in a room, 443 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: everybody's smart enough. You get smart politicians on both sides, 444 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: and they're trying to find a path forward. And certainly 445 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,479 Speaker 1: Mexico and Canada need a trade relationship with US. I mean, 446 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: We're the biggest market in the world. So but who's 447 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: them to find a way to move this bill forward? Yeah? Yeah, 448 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: I mean and why shouldn't American labor expect there to 449 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: be equal labor standards, the same labor standards in these 450 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: countries on on this continent. I mean, having high labor 451 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: standards is an expensive proposition. This is why we are 452 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: drawn to moving their factories to other countries because they 453 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: don't face the same labor standards that we have here 454 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: in the United States. And so what the labor units 455 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: are saying is so they just want to eat of 456 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 1: an even playing field. I don't think that that is 457 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 1: an unreasonable thing to strive for, and it's totally something 458 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: that the Democratic majority in the House of Representatives would 459 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: take into consideration when voting on this. Yeah, A bigger 460 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 1: geopolitical viewpoint as well is, you know, strengthening the North 461 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: American manufacturing and commercial market against China, against India. This 462 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 1: is a positive thing. So at the end of the day, 463 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 1: I think this is gonna get done. Um, I think, 464 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: you know, for some reason, I feel it's not gonna 465 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: get done until it's gonna move over. But I think 466 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 1: all signs of that's moving forward, which is possibly. I 467 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: actually think if you're if you're Joe Biden or you're 468 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: progressive and you're going after those votes. I actually think 469 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: the a f l c i OS opposition to this 470 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: is is something that could help you. I think that 471 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: this could get done without the A f l c 472 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: i O s backing, because it would allow people like 473 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: Joe Biden to to say, see that the a f 474 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: l CEO, the a f l c IO was against 475 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: this deal and and I could have gotten a better one. 476 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:16,959 Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? Do you I think 477 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: any of these trade deals? And I remember, you know, 478 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: I did some work for Tom Delay when he was 479 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: majority whip. And all politics is local. At the end 480 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 1: of the day. The main job of an elected official 481 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: or a leader in Congress is to make sure that 482 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 1: they still have a majority in cock in their caucus. 483 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: So clearly Nancy Pelosi is looking at these numbers. You know, 484 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 1: certainly it benefits to your point, Kevin, are there Democrats 485 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: that can you know, say I would have done a 486 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 1: better job. I'm gonna protect you, of course, like, but 487 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: the bigger issue is, you know, we need a trade 488 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: relationship with these two other neighboring nations, and I think 489 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 1: it's gonna move forward. All right. Coming up, we're gonna 490 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 1: talk about what's on the Panel's radar Um download the 491 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Sound On podcast on Appali tis a Bloomberg dot 492 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 1: com or by downloading the Bloomberg Business And you can 493 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 1: also find us on radio dot com, I Heart Radio 494 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: on Spotify and Kevin Sirelli, you're listening to Bloomberg. You're 495 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: listening to Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin Surley on Bloomberg 496 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: and one oh five point seven m h D two. 497 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: See what President Trump posted on Instagram. He put his 498 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: picture of his his face on Rocky Bell bi sere 499 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: Mark Ross as well, you did see this one? What 500 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: do you do that the doctors think? He says he's 501 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: in good health and that's my bumble profile the same photo, Marl. 502 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: There was all of this um, there was all there 503 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: was all of this chatter about let's there was all 504 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: I feel like, I'm like a teacher and I'm like, 505 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 1: come on class, stay focused. There was all this chatter 506 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: about his health. So he posted it on on Rocky Bullbos. 507 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: I'm Kevin s really okay, what's on your radar? Let's 508 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: start with Mark Mark, what's on your radar? My radar is? 509 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: Next week is the seventy the anniversary of the NATO 510 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 1: Alliance UM, and there's a big meeting, two day meeting 511 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: in London. The Queen Elizabeth will be inviting the delegation 512 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: to bucking and Palace. UM. Obviously there's been a lot 513 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 1: of talk Macrone, the French president, has been saying some 514 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: interesting things about NATO. Merkel is committed to raising funds. 515 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: The President, as we know, has been very critical of 516 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: the NATO Alliance and the other allies not spending money. Also, 517 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: I just read that while President Trump is in London, 518 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: he's gonna do a fundraiser to raise some money, which 519 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: is allowed Americans ex path living in London can meet 520 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: the President give him a few bucks for his campaign. 521 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: So it should be a busy week next week. Alright, 522 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 1: very very busy. All right, Luis, what's on your what's 523 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: on your radar? I'm a big, big fan of this 524 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: climate story, and after the u N report this week 525 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 1: about climate change and how it's really closing in on us. 526 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 1: UH climate change is the subject of a big conference 527 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: in Madrid next week. Over twenty five thousand politicians, lobbyists 528 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: and influencers are going there. Twenty five thousand people in Madrid. 529 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: So what's the carbon footprint on that. Yeah, I know, 530 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: how long do you figure it's going to take to 531 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: get a cab from the from the airport. We'll be 532 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: riding public transport. It's an environmental climate. Yeah, they're not 533 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: going to be you are you serious anyway? Um? So, 534 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: I think it's very interesting how the Europeans are really 535 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 1: keyed in on climate change and and like, what are 536 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: we doing? This is my question. What is our government doing? 537 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: What is the Trump administration doing about about climate Nothing? 538 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 1: And it's and it's it's something that I as an American, 539 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: I am concerned about. Okay, all right, Uh, here's let's 540 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: all my ratar. The Hill newspaper put out a pole, 541 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: a Hill Hairs ex pole, and it shows that there's 542 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: a gender gap between men and women when it comes 543 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: to discussing politics, even though a majority of both genders 544 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: say they feel comfortable talking about the subject of voters, 545 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: they feel comfortable talking about politics with friends and family 546 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,959 Speaker 1: who have different political views, compared to thirty one who 547 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: said they didn't feel comfortable addressing the issue. But men 548 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: are fourteen percentage points more likely to say they feel 549 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: comfortable talking about politics. Wow. Seventy of men polled said 550 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: that they are comfortable talking about political issues. Only six 551 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: of women said this much. So this is the complete 552 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: opposite of my family. I'm the youngest of four and 553 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: I have I have three older sisters, So when I 554 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: was drawing up, I mean, I always joke about it 555 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: on the show. But you know, everyone in my family 556 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: has had a point of view on everything from politics 557 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: to sports to anything. So but this is interesting as 558 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: we head into Thanksgiving tomorrow and and that there's this 559 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: gender gap that men are more likely or are you 560 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: guys surprised by this? No, because men shout about politics 561 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: so and and by nature they're louder than women. So 562 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: you think that's a gender thing that we're because Italian 563 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: Irish Catholic family, everybody was shouting, regardless of guy or girling. Yeah, no, 564 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: but I mean I think in general that men shout 565 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: about politics more than women do so and being louder 566 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: than of course, they're going to be more comfortable, you know, 567 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: to say they're more comfortable talking about what they What 568 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: they mean is they're more comfortable shouting about it and 569 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: women just just can't stand to hear it. I'm surprised 570 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: defending men um maybe because the politics is it's so 571 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: raw and he gets in it's gets so emotional and 572 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: it's not insightful. And I think sometimes it's just it's 573 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: just raw politics. I mean, we're not having a policy discussion, 574 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: so maybe men do like to shout and see more intelligent. 575 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,479 Speaker 1: We never should we never, we never had political arguments 576 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: in my family growing up. Ever, Ever, seriously, ever, Donald 577 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: Trump Jr. Has asked that people should Uh. He has 578 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: this book, Tray Gird. He's been he was on the 579 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: show promoting it. He's on Instagram. He posted that he 580 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: wants people to to videotape themselves picking a fight at Thanksgiving, 581 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: a political fight on Thanksgiving and posting it online. It's 582 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: kind of like the Jimmy Kim Yeah, this is gonna 583 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: be funny. I mean, I'm curious to see these videos, 584 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: you know of folks doing that. Um, what are your 585 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving traditions? We've got like two minutes left. I think 586 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: the biggest one is getting up watching the Prey. There's 587 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: there there's a pray in Detroit, and of course watching 588 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: that locally, and then of course the Macon Philadelphia. Yeah, 589 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 1: I think praise you know, it's a nice way to 590 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: start the morning. Maybe a little fire, some coffee, so 591 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: you guys, yeah, exactly that. Yeah, a nice breakfast and 592 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: watching that. I remember when I was a kid. I 593 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: remember my my my late grandmother Memi. She would always 594 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 1: stay with us the night before and I would wake 595 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: up and Mimi would be, you know, getting the turkey ready, 596 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, oh my gosh, that birds 597 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: like bigger than me. And and then years later, after 598 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: she passed, my dad we started frying the turkey. You guys, 599 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: fry the turkey never. It's so good, it's so much fun, 600 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: very dangerous. My dad and I would do that as well. 601 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: So that was and we did. I told everybody a 602 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: couple of weeks about our tradition of taking a bite 603 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: of the turkey leg and pass saying what you're thankful 604 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: for and passing it around. Very well, it's kind of 605 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: gross if you if we have like sixteen people and 606 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 1: you would take a bite, pass it around and say 607 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: what you're thankful for? What are you thankful for? Quickly? 608 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: I'm thankful for living in America. I think it's an 609 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: amazing country. Good answer, what are you thankful for? I'm 610 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: thankful for my beautiful family and my great friends. Like you, Kevin, 611 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: I am thankful to be an American. I am incredibly 612 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: thankful for my friends and family as well, and for 613 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: great colleagues like our executive producer Christine Barrata who always writes, 614 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: and for the pizza that we had today. Um, I'm 615 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: going to make an announcement here on bloom Bird Radio. 616 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: Are you running for mayor? No, I'm going to say 617 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: that I agree with Virginia. I think they had after 618 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: careful thought and consideration. I Virginia had the first Thanksgiving 619 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: simply because Boston, Massachusetts their cheats and their New England Patriots. 620 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: I can see them taken that way overboard. You know. 621 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 1: It's like, as a Boston girl, I am just not 622 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: choking that down. Nancy Lions, my good friend Nancy Lions 623 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: is just put in the chat way to go Virginia obviously. 624 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: You know, leave it to the New England Patriots to 625 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: try to stake their claim on every one Thanksgiving. Hey, 626 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: like I said, Team Virginia, all right, that doesn't for me. 627 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving everybody. Please please be safe and please do 628 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: something good for someone else. And thank you so much 629 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,719 Speaker 1: for listening. I have such I'm so thankful for our 630 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: audience who have helped make this fun for me as well. 631 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Sirelli. You're listening to Boomberg nine nine one. 632 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving