1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Peaceful occupation is a tool of protest. I think that 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: once you come armed, I think that makes you way 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: less peaceful. I think it puts you into a defensive 4 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: posture from the very beginning. I expect to see whole 5 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: workers creating pretexts for protests. I expect to see state 6 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: legislators and boards of supervisors not certifying elections. I see 7 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: state legislators, Republican state legislators proffering alternate states and electors 8 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: as well. And I see on top of that multiple lawsuits. 9 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: So I would be worried about Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. 10 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 2: I'm John Cipher and I'm Jurie o'she. I served in 11 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 2: the CIA's Clandestine Service for twenty eight years, living undercover 12 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 2: all around the world. 13 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 3: And in my thirty three years with the CIA, I 14 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 3: served in Africa, Asia, Europe, in the Middle East. 15 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 2: Although we don't usually look at it this way, we 16 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 2: created conspiracies. 17 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 3: In our operations. We got people to believe things that 18 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 3: work true. 19 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 2: Now we're investigating the conspiracy theories in the news almost 20 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 2: every day. 21 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 3: Will break them down for you to determine whether they 22 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 3: could be real or whether we're being manipulated. 23 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 2: Welcome to Mission Implausible. 24 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: I'd like to welcome Nick Quested. 25 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 3: Nick is a filmmaker, Emmy Award winning OSCAR nominated producer 26 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 3: of documentary films, music videos, and TV commercials. And Nick, 27 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 3: just in a brief side, you produced two incredibly powerful 28 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 3: war documentaries, Restrepo and Corngall, And I'd just like to 29 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 3: say that I've also dealt with al Qaeda in those 30 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 3: same rough isolated mountains in eastern Afghanistan, and so I 31 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 3: know what a great job you did in covering that 32 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 3: particular area along with Sebastian Junger and Tim Haverington. 33 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: And that was mostly Tim. That was Tim and Sebastian. 34 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: My dealings with al Qaeda were more in southern Jordan 35 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: when we made the film Hell on U. 36 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 3: You're no stranger to bed guys. So incredibly you were 37 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 3: embedded with the Proud Boys and the run up to 38 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 3: the January sixth attack on our democracy, and you testified 39 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 3: to Congress on this, and you have an exciting new 40 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 3: documentary coming out sixty four days that covers all of this. 41 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 2: Who here knows who created this deal in twenty twenty, 42 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 2: and that would be me. The riot was planned well 43 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 2: before the route. 44 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 4: The threats were coming, and those threats they were everywhere. 45 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 3: We're going to get a hang each trader. The people 46 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 3: that knew how to really gen these people up were 47 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 3: saying whatever they needed to say to keep this hostility going. 48 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 4: We're not going to go quietly. 49 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 3: So maybe we could start by outlining how it was 50 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,959 Speaker 3: you ended up in a parking garage for a key 51 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 3: meeting between Proudboys leader and Riki Tario, now serving twenty 52 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 3: two years for seditious conspiracy and Oath Keeper's founder Stuart Rhoads, 53 00:02:56,040 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 3: now serving eighteen years the night before Trump's infamous Save 54 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 3: America really is they planned the assault on the capital. 55 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: So I'll walk you back a little bit and how 56 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: I got to be with them in the first place. 57 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 1: So when the President said stand back and stand by, 58 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: I felt that the potential for political violence in America 59 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 1: had just become almost a certainty. At that point, he 60 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 1: named checked a street level militia, and you've been around. 61 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: I'd seen the same type of messaging throughout the summer 62 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: that I'd seen in many conflicts around the world that 63 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 1: had ended up in civil war. So we'd seen this 64 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: conversation about caliphates and a white American homeland, seen Trump 65 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: trains that look very similar to victory parades in Iraq, 66 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: and you'd seen the use of the iconogously of black 67 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: flags and starstone called banners. Right when he said that, 68 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, this is really going to be 69 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: an issue in America. I have a friend who've got 70 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: me Tario's number. We'd been making a film about division 71 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: in America, so I was like, these guys are obviously 72 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: on one side of this equation. At that point, we 73 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: were asking questions like what does it mean to be American? 74 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: And what do all Americans have in common? Because we 75 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: felt that in the political horseshoe, most sides of the 76 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: political horseshoe shared similar grievances but had different ideologies and 77 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: different policies about how you would deal with those issues. 78 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: So ill I got a friend, I got his number. 79 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: I've seen him around in a few of the protests, 80 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: and I called him and he said, yeah, ah right, sweet, 81 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: come down. And I'll just say that to anyone that 82 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: makes documentaries is you've got to know. And in your 83 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: business too, you've got to call people. If you don't 84 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: call them and you just turn up, bad things can happen. 85 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: Sebasian and I have made that were many films as 86 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: foreign correspondents, so we were coming back to look at 87 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 1: America as foreign correspondents. So I ended up with the 88 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: Proud Boys all the way through that period. I almost 89 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 1: didn't go on January fifth, and we were like I 90 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: just got pinched. You know, I don't know if this 91 00:04:58,400 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: is worth it. We're not going to get the inter 92 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 1: But then I was like, he's going to make bails, 93 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: so he's probably going to be out. 94 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 3: I'm just going to say that Tario was pinched. He 95 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 3: was arrested for vandalism of a black church in d 96 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 3: C and was up on charges for that. This is 97 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 3: before he was outed as a former police informant. 98 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: So we went down and I picked him up and 99 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: I drove him away from the DC lockup. We went 100 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: and picked up his gear. We went to the Phoenix 101 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: Hotel to pick up more of his gear, and then 102 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: suddenly I see Stuart Roodes outside. I introduced myself to 103 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 1: Stuarts and I went to park the car and the 104 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: next thing I know, we're rushing over to a parking 105 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: garage and Stuart and Enrique Ontario are meeting in a 106 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: parking garage. 107 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 3: And Stuart Rose is the head of the Oathkeepers, the 108 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 3: other right wing organization. 109 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: Then they were talking about how he wasn't worried that 110 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: his phone was going to get hacked because he had 111 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 1: authentication protocols on his phone. But as you guys know, 112 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: if you're employing state level resources to anything, it's only 113 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: a matter of time or money before it cracks. They 114 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: probably had that Quantico or Fort Mead or somewhere, and 115 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: they were just pounding calculations into that phone till it broke. 116 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 2: Nikka. I can say what I think they are racist 117 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 2: or extremists or white supremacists or whatever, but you spent 118 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 2: time with them, what do they believe? What do they 119 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 2: believe they're supporting and fighting against. 120 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 1: I think the unifying aspect of the prow Boys was 121 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: trumpsm So I was searching for whether there was ideology 122 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: here and consistency and depth of belief, and I found 123 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 1: the belief to be generally outside of the leadership group 124 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: to be quite shallow. I found that there was more 125 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: a sense of camaraderie, of enjoying the company of men. 126 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 1: They like to fight, you know, like some men like 127 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: to fight, Like they like to watch fighting. They like 128 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,799 Speaker 1: to fight, they like talking about fighting, they like drinking beer, 129 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: and a lot of them seemed to have been some British. 130 00:06:56,320 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: They were hooligans at the timeporters. They're not united because 131 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: they're all softies. There were. It was absolutely reminiscent of 132 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: Hounigan's and instead of replacing it with a football club, 133 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: they replaced it with trump Ism. There was a lot 134 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: of men that when he dug a little bit deeper, 135 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: they were either divorced or were in difficult relationships, so 136 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: they enjoyed the non judgmental company of men. And that's 137 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: one of the things that we've looked at a lot 138 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: is how do men, when they're in precious situations, particularly 139 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: in Ristreppo, how did they form the bonds that you 140 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: needed to form as a group to survive. 141 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 3: So you said they're a group of men Enriquie Tario 142 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 3: is airfro Cuban right, and Stuart Rhoades despite his name 143 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 3: is hair Flatino and one of his lieutenants was a 144 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 3: transgender woman. So I was wondering, what's your sense of race? 145 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 3: That often these people are shortened that they're white supremacists. 146 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 3: Did you not find that that was it? One of 147 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 3: their one of their issues. 148 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: I didn't think that was the driving factor behind the 149 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: Proud Boys. I think there were definitely white supremists, but 150 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: it wasn't a driving ideology of the group. They mean, 151 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: they throw this digner up, which is like WMP, and 152 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: that is obviously they say, oh no, that's the okay symbol, 153 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: but they're not. They're using it as white power and 154 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: they're trolling journalists, and journalists get very confused because, oh, 155 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: they just told me something different, and I was like, well, 156 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: they could be lying. You know, it's not necessarily we're 157 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: not the FEDS. Guys like, they don't have to tell 158 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: the truth. So so there was definitely elements of that, 159 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: but it wasn't the driving ideology. Apart from if you 160 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: think that Trumpism is a white supremacist ideology, trump Ism 161 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: has evolved from national populism into something quite different and 162 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 1: in many ways more sinister. 163 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 2: So you made a comment earlier that the leadership thinks 164 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 2: a little different than the regular people who are a 165 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 2: little more shallow. 166 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: I bumped into one guy who support this case was 167 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: what's the problems with America? And you know, he basically 168 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: got down to is that we really need like a 169 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: white Anglo sax in the homeland in America, and he 170 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: was from Wheeling, West Virginia, and I was like, but 171 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: don't you already have that there, which she was a 172 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: bit confused about. So most of their sort of rank 173 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: and file I only really got to talk to in rally. 174 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: So and also, you know, I have to say I 175 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: think that the rank and file was very well infiltraated 176 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: by the FBI, Like when you look at the garage scene, 177 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 1: if we're going to talk about spycraft, the guy Kenny 178 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: who drove the white truck was a confidential informant. Bettino, 179 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: who was one of the leaders, ended up turning state 180 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: and terming it became a government witness. 181 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 2: Were personalities important? Is it because a kinnus Atario one 182 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 2: of those guys were so effective at pulling people together? 183 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 2: Or were they just these people naturally had the same 184 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 2: thought process he making. 185 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: No no no. Tarrio is very effective at pulling people together. 186 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: He was very effective at messaging, as a scene in 187 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: a movie where he talks about how he is trying 188 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: to get them to walk in line on January sixth, 189 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 1: and that was very important. He drilled this into them 190 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:06,839 Speaker 1: so yeah, Tario is definitely ultimately responsible for the behavior. 191 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 3: Of the group. We'll be right back in a moment. So, Nick, 192 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 3: as a CIA officer, I dealt with al Qaeda and 193 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,599 Speaker 3: ISIS and their rank and file. They have different conspiracy 194 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:23,079 Speaker 3: theories as to motivations, if you will, driven by conspiracy 195 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 3: theories as to why they join. Often that they conflict 196 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 3: with each other. But as an American, I struggled to 197 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 3: understand the conflicting conspiracy theories around events of sixth January. 198 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 3: Just quick run through it. It would started out with 199 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:43,199 Speaker 3: to explain the violence. It became no, no, it wasn't us, 200 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 3: it was Antifa, it was people masquerading agains US. And 201 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 3: then it was yeah, okay, maybe it was us being violent, 202 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 3: but it was the FBI that led us there. We 203 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 3: wouldn't have done it unless the FBI false flag operation 204 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 3: is Tucker Carlson would say. And then it was like, yeah, no, 205 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 3: that didn't work either. No, it wasn't violent at all. 206 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 3: Actually it was we were all being nice to each other. 207 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 3: The police officers invite us in. And now of course 208 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 3: it's these people are martyrs and heroes to a cause. 209 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: I mean, there's many conspiracy theories that they espoused to 210 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: They were election deniers. They thought that there was a 211 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: real that there had been election fraud in multiple jurisdictions. 212 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 1: And I would what I found frightening particularly was there 213 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: was this lack of understanding of American civics. They really 214 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: didn't understand how government worked. And so I would explain, well, 215 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: you know, every election in every state and every precinct, 216 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: it's slightly different. And then I would like, so what 217 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: about all these senators and judges and congressmen who were 218 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: on this ballot and none of them have complained about 219 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: that being election fraud? What do you say to that? 220 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: And they well, I can't work that out. And then 221 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: there was you know, and I was like, there was 222 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: a ballance, there's a ballot stuffing and mail boxes, and 223 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: you can go all down these things. And then there's 224 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: the Crackham legal team that were throwing out racist conspiracy 225 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: theories about Lady Shay and her mom and in Georgia, 226 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: which was obviously wrong. I went and had to investigate that, 227 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: and they said, oh, the counting stopped at one point 228 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: thirty because of a broken Pipelet's there are two separate 229 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: incidents that got conflainted. They were told to stop by 230 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,439 Speaker 1: Gabriel Sterling, and then he said no, we should keep 231 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: on going. And then at seven thirteen in a morning, 232 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: there was an overflow of a toilet and a urinal 233 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: that broke in the floor above, and so they were 234 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 1: paused for a second. But none of the counting ever 235 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: actually stopped. But really a lot of their conspiracy theories 236 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: were generated online by Q, and I put Q firmly 237 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: in the Flint camp, frankly, like he swore the oath 238 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: of Q on camera. You know, that's part of the 239 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: asymmetrical tactics is to pollute information and create doubt. 240 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 2: What did you find as their relationship to other extremist groups. 241 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 2: Did they see them as allies or rivals? What does 242 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 2: it mean to I know, obviously you saw these two 243 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 2: leaders talking, but. 244 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, but they were never really friends. They called the 245 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: oath Keepers the oath breakers, and the prowd Boys liked 246 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 1: to be at the front and like to fight. The 247 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: oath Keepers were older gentlemen with guns. There were more veterans, 248 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: I felt in the Oathkeepers than there were in the 249 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: Proud Boys, although there were some veterans in the Prowboys, 250 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 1: but a lot of the veterans I talked to in 251 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: the prowd boys weren't necessarily combat veterans. They were like bobbits. 252 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: They'd never left the base, or they'd been drivers or 253 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: mechanics or just working in the back office there, like 254 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 1: they've done a lot of training and they felt this 255 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: was the moment to save America with their training, which 256 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: was probably twenty years ago. 257 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 3: I know you didn't hang that much with Stuart Rhades, 258 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 3: the head of the oath Keepers, but just talking on 259 00:13:56,280 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 3: conspiracy theories in Paranoia, I found it fiercely that his son, 260 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 3: Dakota Adams and testimony later said that so the Rhodes 261 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 3: had six kids, and he would make them line up 262 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 3: with their backs to him at ATMs and gas pumps 263 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 3: to look out for assassins. And he would unload the 264 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 3: groceries only with one hand because he wanted to keep 265 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 3: his other hand ready to use a weapon when they 266 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 3: came for him. So this is a guy who clearly 267 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 3: lives in a conspiratorial world. I wasn't able to determine 268 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 3: sort of Enrico Tario his personal view towards conspiracy theories. 269 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 3: I'd like to ask you, but he seems more of 270 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 3: a guy to go along to get along right. He's 271 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 3: arrested for numerous things. He collaborates and cooperates with it 272 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 3: with police and local authorities to get out of going 273 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 3: to prison. He testifies against others, which split the leadership 274 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 3: later of the Proud Boys. How did he view the 275 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 3: world or others around him on the Proud Boy. 276 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: Side, I feel that Tarius saw the world as transactional, 277 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: so conspiracy theories were useful tools for managing the consciousness 278 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: of his troops. And he was really into his T 279 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: shirt shop. He would sell Proud Boys merchandise, and Rogerstone 280 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: also sold through the same shop, the seventeen seventy six shops, 281 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: so you could buy a Rogerstone Did Nothing Wrong t 282 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: shirt or all these things. I felt that Enrique sawna 283 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: Proud Boys as a hustle. And in the film you 284 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: see this guy Alex. Alex says, I never voted, but 285 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: I was always down with Trump. I don't believe. I mean, 286 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: I don't know whether he voted or not vot. I 287 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: don't think that's important really, the fact is that he 288 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: was very close to Taria, and between the two them, 289 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: they saw the Prowd Boys as an opportunity to address 290 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: a demographic like you are the leader of a group 291 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: that is revered within MAGA circles. You know, you could 292 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: look at the Proud Boys as the tactical branch of 293 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: stop the steel, the boots of the ground, the tip 294 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: of the spear doing occupying territory. If you want to 295 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: win an election in a less developed country, you need 296 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: the local territory to be controlled, otherwise you can't control 297 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: who votes. And so that's why territory was so important 298 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: for the prow Boys as well, like physically controlling territory, 299 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: and they controlled the most sacred territory in America for 300 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: a period of time. They were rallying on the National 301 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: Mile calling for revolution. I don't really know many countries 302 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: in the world where you can rally in the most 303 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: sacred space of that country and you're not going to 304 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: get arrested and call for revolution, like violent revolution. Not 305 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: we're going to vote you out, We're going to we're 306 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: going to fuck you up. That's you can't do it. 307 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: In England, there's no right to protest and no right 308 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: to free speech. There's no right to free speech in France, 309 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: Italy and Germany have their own legacy of issues. America 310 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: is a unique place in the world. It really is 311 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: a place where you can live free and pursue happiness. 312 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: I don't know where else in the world you can 313 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: do that in the same way. There is no agreements 314 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: or constitution that is as developed and prescient as the 315 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: American Constitution, which starts with we the people. Right. The 316 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 1: constitution in England is an agreement between the barons and 317 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 1: the king that he won't overtax them and then just 318 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: take them out. That's a very different scenario than we 319 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: the people, and that's what brings all Americans together. 320 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 3: To me, let me just follow up. Why would they 321 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 3: talk to you? Why would they talk to a foreigner. 322 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 3: They don't trust mainstream media to begin with, for yet 323 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 3: they allowed an Englishman to come in and work closely 324 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 3: with them. 325 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: I'm very charming. 326 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 2: That's centered. Let's move on to the. 327 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: No. I mean, listen, I think they thought they were 328 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: going to win, and they wanted someone like with my 329 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 1: skill set to tell their story. I mean, imagine that 330 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: they'd had stormed the Capitol and they'd taken hostages, and 331 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: that Trump had walked down the National Mall with a 332 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: mob of sixty thousand people behind him. Imagine that. I 333 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: think you're looking at the Siege of Mecca like Titan 334 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: of Things. I mean, the oath keepers were twelve minutes 335 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: away from having It's amazing what you can do with 336 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 1: fifty people and ak forty sevens or n sixteen's or 337 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: of our fifties. It's hard to meet those people. If 338 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 1: they're determined to stay, you're going to have to go 339 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: room for room. And they're not as well trained as 340 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: the FBI swap force obviously, or the marshals or but 341 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: it's going to be horrible and a lot of people 342 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: would die because I was like, where's the water cannons? 343 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: Where's the dogs? For a while, where was the real gas? 344 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: They had their little things and they peppaball and they 345 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: shot me with a bean bag. But it wasn't like 346 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 1: Venezuela in twenty seventeen. It wasn't you know. The army 347 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: started shooting then, and then you really got to make 348 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 1: a decision. If someone falls down from the left of you, 349 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: are you going forwards or backwards? 350 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 3: More of this after a quick break. 351 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 2: You mentioned Roger Stone before, for example, but did you 352 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 2: find or sense any specific connection to Donald Trump? And 353 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 2: the Mega movement. You think there is coordination there and 354 00:18:59,040 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 2: how hard did it work. 355 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 1: It is my understanding that there was a direct connection 356 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: between Rogerstone and the President. Not only did he pardon 357 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: Rogerstone on the twenty third of December, he met with 358 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:13,719 Speaker 1: him at Trump Durrell on the twenty eighth. He then also, 359 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: according to the Committee, spoke to the President on January 360 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 1: fifth from the Willard Hotel. 361 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 2: And so do you think Roger Stone was the connection 362 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 2: to the White House? 363 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: I think there were multiple connections that. According to the 364 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:29,479 Speaker 1: Committee and the White House phone logs, there were calls 365 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: between the White House and the Willard and allegedly it 366 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: was Stone, Lynn and Bannon who all spoke with the 367 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: White House at that point. I don't know if it 368 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: was with the President or with Meadows or with someone, 369 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: but they definitely someone was chatting to someone on that night. 370 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 3: The Proud Boys have a pretty fearsome reputation ruthless fighters, 371 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 3: at least that's the reputation they put forward. Nick I 372 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 3: just hit the ask, do you know where the name 373 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 3: Proud Boys comes from? Oh? 374 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, it comes from a Disney Yes, yeah, it comes 375 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: from Aladdin, where they were said I'm proud of my boy. 376 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: And this comes from Gavin McGinnis. And Gavin McGinnis is 377 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 1: a outright political commentator and comic, and he looks himself 378 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: as a comic and he's got quite he's got banter, 379 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 1: and he's he plays very well to that audience. 380 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 2: And McInnis was founder of Vice Media, right. 381 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: He is the founder of one of the founders of 382 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: Vice Media. 383 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 2: Nick, we talked a little bit earlier because you've done 384 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 2: so much work with the military and combat zones, and 385 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 2: you mentioned sort of the differences of how they bond. 386 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 2: You've seen any connections in the beliefs of these people, 387 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 2: and it sounds like with the military, they may have 388 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 2: different beliefs, but they but the reason they're together is 389 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 2: different than someone like the Broad Boys. 390 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:45,199 Speaker 1: I think that the previous films we've made put us 391 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: in a very good position when put into a pressure 392 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 1: situation to keep on shooting. You know, we need I'm 393 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: always looking for the point of confrontation, you know, I 394 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 1: want to be to the side with both sides here 395 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 1: and there. I've got the police here and I've got 396 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: the rioters here, and I want to be in the 397 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 1: middle so I can see the expressions on both people's faces. Also, 398 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 1: if you don't have anything to do in a kinetic situation, 399 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,959 Speaker 1: it becomes scary because do you even know what's going 400 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: to happen to you? But if you have a camera 401 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: in your hand, you've got a job, you want to 402 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: have a job, and then those type of situations because 403 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: it distracts them, it occupies that first level of awareness, 404 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: which is important. 405 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 3: So Nick, you know these people when you were their 406 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 3: first hand for the occurrences of sixth January. You were 407 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 3: also part of the investigation or at least testified in 408 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 3: front of Congress in front of the sixth January Committee. 409 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 3: But what's your sense for the possibilities of violent outcomes, 410 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 3: whatever they might be for a next election after November 411 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 3: when we vote in twenty twenty four this year, what's 412 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 3: sort of your sense or you're foreboting for where this 413 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,199 Speaker 3: might go. Knowing some of the characters and some of 414 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 3: the forces that have been unleashed. 415 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: Based on my experience and based on my contacts right now, 416 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: I would expect to see protests in swing states where 417 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: it is close and Harris won. So I would be 418 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: worried about Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. And I'm particularly worried 419 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 1: about Michigan because Michigan had multiple state capital incursions during 420 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: twenty twenty by COVID lockdown, deniers and militias, and they 421 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: were like a precursor, as you see to the Georgia 422 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: state capital incursion by Stop the Steal and then obviously 423 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: January sixth. And occupation is a tool of peaceful occupation 424 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: is a tool of protest. And I don't believe I 425 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 1: think that once you come armed, I think that makes 426 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: you way less peaceful. I think it puts you into 427 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 1: a defensive posture from the very beginning. I expect to 428 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: see whole workers creating pretextes for protests. I expect to 429 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 1: see state legislators and board of supervisors not certifying elections. 430 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: I see state legislators, Republican state legislators proffering alternate states 431 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: for electors as well. And I see on top of 432 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 1: that multiple lawsuits. And I see influencers again emerging like 433 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: LAWA Luma, who are going to coordinate these efforts. I'm 434 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 1: not so concerned about DC. I think DC will be 435 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: on lockdown from the election to the inauguration. But I 436 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: do worry for particularly for Michigan if it's close and 437 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: Harris wins. 438 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 2: Well, Nick, thank you for this starting. It's very timely 439 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,199 Speaker 2: and very important, and you were right there and you 440 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 2: saw how it was in twenty twenty and I think 441 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 2: this is going to help people understand twenty twenty four. 442 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,199 Speaker 2: So can you just tell us the name of the 443 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,199 Speaker 2: movie and when it comes out so people can find it. 444 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: The film is called sixty four Days and you'll be 445 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: able to download it initially on our website called sixty 446 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: four Days film dot Com, will be on DeMeo as well, 447 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: and then just after the election will be available on 448 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: all platforms. And we are also screening across America. At 449 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: the moment. We have screenings in DC, we have screenings 450 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: in all over and if anyone wanted to host a screening, 451 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: just contact us on the website. We'd be delighted to 452 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: we allowing people to host screenings of any size that 453 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: they want. We just like people to see the film 454 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: because this film isn't an activist film. This film is 455 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: a work of journalism. Everything is double sourced or a 456 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: first hand account. This is not an activist film, but 457 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 1: it becomes very polarizing because it's based on ground trees 458 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: and half facts and that's not necessarily one Side's the 459 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: view of the world at the moment. 460 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 2: And what just the last thing before we leave, what 461 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 2: are you working on next? 462 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: We're working on a nicer project. We're working on something 463 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: we're killing in Bape about how what it takes to 464 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: become a champion. We just finished a show about reggaeiton 465 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 1: here like this on Peacock right now, called Reggaeton. And 466 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 1: it's a very tricky world out there for documentaries at 467 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: the moment. The Speaking Truth to Power film is pretty 468 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: tricky at the moment. Not anyone's picking it up. No 469 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 1: one's bought my film at the moment. 470 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 4: Do you have any conspiracy theories you want them to 471 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 4: look into for future episodes? 472 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: Oh, the cloud seeding, that's a good one. Like hurricane 473 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: starts in the Gulf. Yeah, hurricanes start all the time 474 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 1: in the golf guys. 475 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 2: Like someone said, these hurricanes are in the golf are 476 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 2: hitting just Red states? Is that there's something rare? It's like, well, 477 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 2: that's because there's only Red states in the golfers. 478 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder what this will do to you know, 479 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,479 Speaker 1: if Florida is down to a few percentage points like 480 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: and you've wiped out the villages and Tampa. That's a 481 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: big hit for Trump a Stan down there, but then 482 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: don't want mailing villains? 483 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, Nick, take you very much much for sure. 484 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: It's a pleasure jents anytime. 485 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 4: Mission Implausible is produced by Adam Davidson, Jerry O'sha, John Cipher, 486 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 4: and Jonathan Stern. The associate producer is Rachel Harner. 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