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Speaker 3: You are listening to episode one five of Hurdle a Wellness,

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Speaker 1: and eight, I but a year after I got there.

436
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Speaker 1: That's when I had this health scare where I thought

437
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,959
Speaker 1: I was having a heart attack on my way up

438
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: to New Jersey from Maryland, where like I had a

439
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: weekend good teaching piano lessons and voice lessons and Spanish,

440
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 1: French and other things, and yeah, I thought I was

441
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 1: having a heart attack and I had chest pains at

442
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: the side of the road and decided to keep driving,

443
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: which is not the smart thing to do, but I

444
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: did and got home and had one of my colleagues

445
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 1: drive me to the hospital and I had to be

446
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: there for eight hours before they decided I wasn't having

447
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,479
Speaker 1: a heart attack after a bunch of tests and stuff,

448
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,479
Speaker 1: and they told me I was having a panic attack.

449
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: And I was like, I looked at them like they

450
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: were crazy, Like I don't like Black people don't have

451
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: panic attacks. When he's talking about I said this to

452
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 1: the doctor and he looked at me like.

453
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Speaker 3: Did you just say that until that point, had you

454
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 3: ever had an actual panic attack at all?

455
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: Or no? No, no, I you know, I sort of

456
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: prided myself on being unflappable and and you know, living

457
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: without anxiety.

458
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,959
Speaker 3: And what a conversation though, right, like just this idea

459
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 3: that and I think, I mean, I would say, I

460
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 3: like to think that I'm the same way, but having

461
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 3: a conversation with yourself that like, you're actually not unflappable

462
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 3: and it's okay to have anxiety.

463
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: And it's totally okay and normal because we're human. Yeah,

464
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: that was It was crazy to me. I'm like, what,

465
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: I don't even understand why this would happen to me.

466
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: But of course, in hindsight, with all the things that

467
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: were going on, and I was constantly worried about my

468
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: kid right and about my job, that it apparently weighed

469
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: on me very very heavily in many different ways, in

470
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: physical ways and in emotional and mental ways. And so

471
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: that was that was the sort of wake up call

472
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: I got that I needed when I when I visited

473
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: a cardiologist after being in the er and he told me,

474
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: you know, that was if I wanted to see my

475
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 1: son grow up. So that was it. That was that

476
00:27:55,000 --> 00:28:00,239
Speaker 1: was that cathartic moment, uh, that forced me to look

477
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 1: deeply within and change my lifestyle. And a lot of

478
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: people think that when I say change my lifestyle, that

479
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 1: I meant go on a diet. That was not what

480
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: it was. It was that. Uh it was I had

481
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: so much inflammation in my body because I was so

482
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: stressed that my cortisol levels were like off the charts,

483
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: and my uh see reactive protein levels were off the charts.

484
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: And uh you know, the cardiologist told me that I

485
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: needed to sleep. Uh yeah, he did want to see

486
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: me lose a little weight. Yeah. I knew how to

487
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: do that. That was, that was easy, and but I

488
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,959
Speaker 1: needed to reprioritize my life. You needed to. I mean

489
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: he kept saying, you need to sleep, and you need

490
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 1: to make sure that you are getting rest and and

491
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: that you I don't rearrange whatever it is that you

492
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: need to rearrange what you need to do better if

493
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: you want to see your son grow up. Because you know,

494
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: it was the stress level was so so high. And

495
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: again you know, I'm not I wasn't a person that

496
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: like emoded in like an anxious way, but like it

497
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: definitely was going on within me. And so you know

498
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: that took a toll. Anyway, So after that cardiologist visit,

499
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: I got on my treadmill. And you know, ironically I

500
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: had I had the treadmill in my apartment and I

501
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: had purchased it about two or three months before this

502
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: whole incident, and I had not been on it yet.

503
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 2: At the time. Why had you purchased that treadmill?

504
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: Because you know, I saw it on HSN and I said,

505
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: you know, I think I need a treadmill, but maybe

506
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: you know, I think it was in the back of

507
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: my mind. I knew I needed to be doing something,

508
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: and I knew, I I, you know, I always wanted

509
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: to get back into running because you know, I was

510
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: I lived in such a beautiful area. I lived in

511
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: Central Jersey, and I know that people in Jersey don't

512
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: believe Central Jersey exists, but it does. And you know,

513
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: it's surrounded by these hills, these beautiful country roads and stuff.

514
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: And I just I knew that I needed to to,

515
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: you know, get back on the wagon, so to speak.

516
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: And uh, but I had it. But this was this

517
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: was that, this was that you know, cathartic moment that

518
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: forced me to get back on it. And I and

519
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful that I had it in my apartment

520
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: and so I, you know, I got on it. And

521
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: it was hard. It was really tough. It was so

522
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: hard to not be able to run a full mile,

523
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: which was something that I had done very easily, you know,

524
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: but it just I just felt it was it was

525
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: physically painful. It was emotionally painful too to uh, you know,

526
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: get get on that treadmill and not be able to

527
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: do that. But I said, you know, well, here I am.

528
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: I know eventually that I will feel better and that

529
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: I will be able to run that mile again, and

530
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: that this will be easy for me again. But today

531
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: is not that day. But I got to work to

532
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: get there. And so that's what I did. I I

533
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: you know, I would run a mile or run walk

534
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: a mile every day, sometimes every other day, and I

535
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: would pair that with some exercise or some videos. It

536
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: was really into like Crunch videos and these like Yogaltates

537
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: videos and Biggest Loser videos. You know. Even though that

538
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: that show is so so problematic, I I watched it

539
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: because I wanted to see what the workouts were. I've

540
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: been looking back on it. It's just so damaging and

541
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: traumatic to those people that that participated in that. But

542
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: I think I think it was it was helpful to

543
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: me at the time, and so yeah, that's what it did.

544
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: And uh and I started feeling better, and I took

545
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks for me to really see some improvement,

546
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: just kind of like in my skin. You know, I

547
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: did lose some weight, and but it really forced me

548
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: to kind of reckon with my own health and how

549
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: my my health was crucial to the health of my family.

550
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: And so, yeah, I I have not stopped since that

551
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: was in two thousand and eight.

552
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 3: So talk to me about the Clinton country Run five

553
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 3: k in two thousand and nine.

554
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god, that was so long ago. Hm,

555
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: that was Yeah, that was a country five k. It

556
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: was a former track star Olympic track athlete who hosted

557
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: this five k, and I went, and it was it

558
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: was very painful.

559
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 2: Were you scared?

560
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: I know, I wasn't scared because I had done five k's before.

561
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: I was just I was curious to see how I

562
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: would do and how my body would feel afterwards, because

563
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: I had been running at this point, I had been

564
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: running up to three miles and sometimes four miles on

565
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: my runs, and so I just I was curious. I

566
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: was like, what is this going to feel like? After

567
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: so many years, we're not doing a five k, and

568
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: you know, and it was it was long. It felt

569
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: very very long. I wish you know, it's it's very interesting,

570
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,239
Speaker 1: like you know, perspective in hindsight, right, you know. And

571
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: so I was like, I think, I don't even remember

572
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: what my time was. And but but I was like

573
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: at the end, I said, well, well, I got to

574
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: get better at this, and that's what I do. Like,

575
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: I got to get better at this. Something is really hard, uh,

576
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: and it's not necessarily a great experience. I wanted to

577
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: be a better experience. So I worked towards making it better.

578
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: And so I think so the Clinton five k was

579
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: I did that that summer also. So I was just

580
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: part of my the process that I put myself through

581
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: to just get better at running and to to to

582
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: be the the healthier version of myself that I that

583
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: I once was. And so I did a lot of

584
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: five k's that summer. I did a lot of five k's, uh,

585
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: a couple of ten k's uh. And I dragged my

586
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: friends into it with me, and uh. And then things

587
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: really started changing fairly, uh, fairly drastically, you know, just

588
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: in terms of like my energy level and how I

589
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: felt about myself, how I moved, you know, how I

590
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 1: was able to like wake up really early in the morning,

591
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: run a couple of miles in a treadmill and watch

592
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: you know Netflix shows and early Netflix, you know, when

593
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 1: we still had the DVDs and and uh, and then

594
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: just do what I needed to do and like and

595
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: get through an entire day of teaching and then a

596
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: night of being on duty in the dorm and be

597
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: okay and not feel completely exhausted or spent at the end.

598
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: And so and you know, I just really I dug

599
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 1: that feeling and I and I felt like myself again.

600
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: And so I continued to do that, you know, throughout

601
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: my time in Jersey. And then they asked me to

602
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: coach because you know, hey, why not get paid to

603
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: run with students.

604
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:28,720
Speaker 2: Right right right?

605
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: And you know what, it was the greatest thing. It

606
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:37,720
Speaker 1: was so fun. I loved almost every moment of coaching

607
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: cross country for many for many girls who had never

608
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: been on it, who had never been able to you know,

609
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: exercise and like do something sports related without being laughed

610
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: at or told that they can't do it or told

611
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: that they're too uncoordinated. And so it was really fun

612
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: sort of introducing this sport to them and you know,

613
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: seeing the growth, not just their sort of athletic growth,

614
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: but the the the sort of mental growth and that

615
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: that spiritual growth, that spiritual and religiousness. But like just

616
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: like you know, the knowledge of very deep knowledge of

617
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: self that comes with participating and running.

618
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 3: And it's like so special at that age in particular,

619
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 3: Like as someone myself and you talked about your relationship

620
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 3: with sport when you were younger and that you had

621
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 3: much more relationship than I did. But as an adult

622
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 3: now that has a very serious relationship with sport, to

623
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 3: watch how that impacts teen women, it makes me feel

624
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 3: so many ways. Like I went to the Nike Cross

625
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 3: Nationals a few years ago and watched just the sportsmanship

626
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 3: and they're beautiful, beautiful relationships. And you know, I reflect

627
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 3: on that and say to myself, like I wish I

628
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 3: had I wish I had that grown that.

629
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: Oh man, it's so important, you know what. I think,

630
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: you know, when women have deep knowledge of their bodies,

631
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: and like you can achieve that in many ways. But

632
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: I think sports is like a major, major, major way,

633
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: whether it's an individual sport or team sport, to have

634
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: a very very intimate connection with your body to know

635
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: what's going on and know what you know, what it

636
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: what it means to feel a certain way, uh, and

637
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: what it is to honor the strength and and the

638
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: the incredibleness that a body is. I think that sports

639
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: is like a really really good way to do that,

640
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: and so and and and the confidence in your own

641
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: strength and confidence just in your own ability, you know,

642
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: your mental ability, your mental acuity or physical ability or

643
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: your agility to the confidence that you get from that

644
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 1: is is really really important as as an educator, as

645
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: a as a as a coach. UH. To see that

646
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 1: growth in young girls and young women is really really incredible,

647
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: and it definitely helps with all the other stuff that

648
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: that teenagers and you know teenagers are confronted with.

649
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: Please it helps. It helps me today.

650
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: Seriously, Like, yes, I think I'd be a different person

651
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 1: if I if I didn't have running, if I didn't

652
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,479
Speaker 1: have some sort of sport, I think maybe I'd feel

653
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Speaker 1: differently about the fact that I'm fat. You know, just

654
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 1: this morning when I fell flat on my face. You know,

655
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: I've been having like a lot of people, and you

656
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: talked about this earlier on your podcast, about a lot

657
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,439
Speaker 1: of us, but not all of us. I've gained weight

658
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: during COVID and quarantine because well I'm also injured, so

659
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: like I haven't been able to go out running and

660
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: and and so so I've had some feelings about that.

661
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: But when I fell flat on my face this morning

662
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: and my face immediately got numb because that's the reaction

663
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Speaker 1: that my body had to falling flat on my face,

664
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Speaker 1: I was like, this is incredible. Wow, my body nuda

665
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: numb my face as soon as I hit the it

666
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 1: was a big log because I mean that's how it works,

667
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: that's how the adrenaline works. And then it didn't start

668
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: hurting until about a minute or two into me like

669
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Speaker 1: sort of untangling myself from the ferns and the bushes.

670
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Speaker 1: Uh and uh wow wow, I mean, like the body

671
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: is an incredible machine.

672
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Speaker 3: There's like nothing like when you get back to being

673
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 3: active or whatnot after an injury and you just start

674
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 3: to feel like yourself again, and even the smallest victories,

675
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 3: it just feels like such a great opportunity to be you.

676
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean even even you know, I'm

677
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: about to get meniscal surgery in a couple of weeks, right,

678
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: and I haven't been really able to run, but I've

679
00:39:54,920 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: been able to hike and cycle and uh and uh,

680
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Speaker 1: I was I was definitely falling into a hole of

681
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: despair at the beginning of this, uh, or the beginning

682
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Speaker 1: like knowing that I had more than a like a

683
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: minor injury. Yeah, because I wasn't able to run or

684
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: I'd run in my whole legal swellow and so and

685
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Speaker 1: so that was kind of out of character for my body,

686
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: and uh, and so I was falling into a hole.

687
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Speaker 1: But then, uh, I, you know, I have the fortune

688
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Speaker 1: of sharing a parking lot with an outfitter and bike shop,

689
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: and so they hooked me up with a bike and

690
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: they were like, hey, you know, use it. You know,

691
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: don't pay us, It's okay, just use it until because

692
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: I was going to buy a bike anyway, because I

693
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 1: couldn't really run, and and so that kind of brought

694
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Speaker 1: me out of that because it was I could see myself.

695
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: I could feel myself falling into this dark place that

696
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: was unusual and it was a place that I didn't

697
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 1: really know.

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Speaker 2: How do you flip the script in that case?

719
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 3: I mean, aside from obviously just this exciting opportunity to

720
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 3: get on a bike, like what is it? What's the

721
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 3: dialogue happening inside your head there?

722
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Speaker 1: Well, I had to figure out what else I could do.

723
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I'm in this position where

724
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 1: I get paid to be active. I get paid to

725
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: be on trails. I get paid to you know, do

726
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: these athletic things. And so I didn't really have a choice,

727
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: and so I had to figure out something else that

728
00:42:58,440 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: I would be able to do. So I said that

729
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: I could have sort of pivoted over to hiking a lot.

730
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Speaker 1: And but even with hiking with my knee issue, by

731
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: the way, like this is the first knee issue I've

732
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Speaker 1: ever had out of like the since nineteen eighty nine,

733
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: right right, And so I so said, you know, like

734
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Speaker 1: there's something else that I gotta do. And so what

735
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: hiking downhill was and still is painful because of the

736
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: stupid meniscus. So I can go up, I can go

737
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: up and up and up and up, and but like

738
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: coming down is pretty uncomfortable. So I had to do something.

739
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: So I said, you know, let me, let me get

740
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Speaker 1: on a bike because I have to. I need to

741
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: train for endurance anyway. I just need to always be

742
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: trained for endurance, and so you know, and it became

743
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: this sort of second love, and I started feeling like

744
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: myself again because I could go greater distances, I can

745
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: feel like I really did something. But that's when I

746
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 1: really really. You know, the other day I or a

747
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: couple of days ago, I was doing this virtual fundraising

748
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: event called point the point to point run the point

749
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 1: to point race, I think, and you can either run

750
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: or bike, and so obviously I was on the bike

751
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Speaker 1: and I went out with the owner of the outfitter

752
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,439
Speaker 1: here and my cycling instructor, and so we went out,

753
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: we Max and I who was Max is my instructor.

754
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: We were going to go out and do a flatsh

755
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: twenty five miles. Nothing is really flat here, but flatish,

756
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: you know, relatively flat. But the owner of the bike

757
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: shop had other ideas and took us on was super

758
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: super hilly where it was so hilly that I had

759
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: to get off and walk a couple of stretches because

760
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: I don't those muscles aren't quite developed yet. And so

761
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: but you know, we did seventeen miles and I had

762
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: to go back out later on that day and do

763
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: nine more miles so I can make twenty five and

764
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: or eight more miles rather And but that was the

765
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: first day I really I was like, this is what

766
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: I do this because I hated myself going up those hills.

767
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: I was like, I gotta be better at this, this

768
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: is I suck so much at this. I you know,

769
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to do some hill repeats. So I

770
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: felt like I was like, this is this is what

771
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: I do. I'm an endurance athlete. I have these conversations

772
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: with myself. I hate myself for even signing up for

773
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: doing this, but those downhills were sweet, and I was like,

774
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: this is this is this is it. This is what

775
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: I do. You know, whether it's running or or being

776
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 1: on a mountain or cycling, Now, this is what I do,

777
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: and that's this is me. This is who I am.

778
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 2: I love that.

779
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 3: So talk to me and give me some context about

780
00:45:55,520 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 3: when you originally took this from being a five a

781
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 3: road race sort of situation to getting to the half marathon,

782
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:04,760
Speaker 3: the marathon and beyond.

783
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: So I started out training for five k's and I'm

784
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 1: just wanting to get better at those. I wanted to

785
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: drop my time, and I wanted to be able to

786
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: run longer with less walking. I wanted to feel better afterwards.

787
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: I didn't want to feel like I couldn't run For

788
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,719
Speaker 1: the next three days I did a five K. So

789
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 1: I kept doing a lot of them, and I eventually

790
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,439
Speaker 1: got better at them. And my times dropped, and then

791
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: I just wanted more, so I'd signed up for some

792
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: ten k's. Ten k is not my favorite distance, by

793
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 1: the way, I don't know, it's just like you never

794
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 1: know how fast to go. I mean, I'm slow anyway,

795
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: but like.

796
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 3: Let's clarify for the hurdlers, what you define slow.

797
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: Is okay for me. A lot of people think that

798
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: a ten minute mile is slow. I think a ten

799
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:01,439
Speaker 1: minute miles is fast. And I've always tried to get

800
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: to a ten minute mile, but I've never even as

801
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: a varsity athlete, you know, who practiced two and a

802
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: half hours a day in high school and was never

803
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: able to get under a ten minute mile or a

804
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: ten minute mile or under My fastest mile ever has

805
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: been ten thirty four. And again for a lot of people,

806
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: you know, even midpackers. Uh, you know, a ten minute

807
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: mile is kind of standard. Uh. Not for me. I

808
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 1: you know, I hover right now. You know, when I

809
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: was training for the Boston Marathon in twenty eighteen, and

810
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: I've done a lot of miles, you know, for me,

811
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 1: a lot of miles is like forty to fifty miles

812
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: a week, and I was able to get my mile

813
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: down to eleven minutes and that was real. That's really fat.

814
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 1: They're not really fast, but it's pretty fast for me. Yeah,

815
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: that's like my tempo pace, right, And so you know,

816
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: as I you know, as I do when I do

817
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: more trail running, I get way slower and even on

818
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,479
Speaker 1: the roads, and so I you know, it's like hover

819
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:06,439
Speaker 1: anywhere between thirteen and fifteen miles of miles an hour,

820
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 1: not an hour thirteen minute miles, so thirteen fourteen minute miles,

821
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Speaker 1: and you know, and you know, sometimes they're slower depending

822
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: because I stop a lot. I will take selfies, I will,

823
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: and I don't stop my watch.

824
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

825
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: I happen to have to, you know, run alone a

826
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: lot of the time because many people are faster, and

827
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: that's okay with me. I'm an introvert anyway, and I'd

828
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: rather be alone on my run because it's you know,

829
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: I don't like to talk to people running or have

830
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: to be social. Yeah, but sometimes I do. I mean,

831
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: it's slow as relative, but you know, just in terms

832
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,879
Speaker 1: of like the average pieces of most people, it's it's

833
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: on the slow side.

834
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Speaker 2: So speaking of.

835
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 3: Your words slow, I mean, at one point you so

836
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 3: much embraced this concept of slowness that you've created your

837
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 3: explotive coming slow as fuck trail running retreat.

838
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I still have them.

839
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 3: When you created this, I mean, and I know the

840
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 3: answer to this question, but I'm going to throw it

841
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 3: into the world here. When you created this, did you

842
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 3: just think like there are other people that run how

843
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 3: I run, and they need to feel like they're not

844
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 3: alone in wanting to run like I run.

845
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:25,720
Speaker 1: No, that's absolutely why I created them. People kept asking

846
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: me to create a retreat, but I wanted it to

847
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: be a retreat for people like me who want those

848
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:40,280
Speaker 1: epic vistas and they want to be on the most

849
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: awesome trails, and they want to run around lakes and

850
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: you know, and do some rock scrambling, but they don't

851
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 1: want to do it fast, or they can't do it fast,

852
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: or or you know, they're Actually I do have some

853
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: faster people that join my retreats, but I'm like, I

854
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: warned them. I'm like, look, you know, we're not going fast,

855
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: and it doesn't really make any sense for you to

856
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,919
Speaker 1: want to go fast or want to train while you're

857
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: at this retreat, because we're gonna stop a lot. We're

858
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 1: gonna you know, have a picnic, we're gonna take selfie,

859
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: We're gonna do a whole photo shoot. I'm gonna teach

860
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: you how to know. I'm gonna teach you how to

861
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: run downhill. So it's gonna be a whole thing. And

862
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: it's this. This is not a competitive thing if you there,

863
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: and there are tons of experiences for those types of runners.

864
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Well I got you so off track

865
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 3: here when I asked you to define slow and then

866
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 3: talked about your retreats and never let you tell me

867
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 3: about how you got into marathoning.

868
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 2: So talk to me about the marathon.

869
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: So you know, again, you know, it was just a progression.

870
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: I after the ten k's, I said, well, you know,

871
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:46,439
Speaker 1: if I can do a ten k, I'm gonna try

872
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 1: a half marathon because I just want to keep going.

873
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 1: I want to see how my body does. And so

874
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: my first half marathon was the Rehoboth Beach Half in Delaware,

875
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 1: and I, you know, kind of uh tricked my friend

876
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: into going with me. Uh, and so you know, we

877
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: that was her first half marathon. She had been training

878
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: with me that whole summer and did a bunch of

879
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: races with me, and she's so awesome. I wrote about

880
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 1: her in my book, and and so she was kind

881
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: of willing to do anything that I was that I

882
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 1: was willing to do, except the full marathon. I'm still

883
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: trying to convince her, but you know, I really enjoyed

884
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: training for the half marathon and like pushing my body,

885
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: Oh can I actually do ten miles?

886
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 2: Wow?

887
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I did ten miles, Oh my on

888
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: my own, no, with no one telling me to do it.

889
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: And and so that was it was really cool. And

890
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: I got to be outside a lot, and uh. And

891
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 1: it really did in terms of like being a role

892
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 1: model for for my students. My students saw me going out.

893
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: They would see me in the morning, and then I

894
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: would coach them in the afternoon, and they would see

895
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: me doing long runs on the weekend, and sometimes they

896
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: would ask me, Okay, can I go with you? You know?

897
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 1: And that was so cool and that, you know, that

898
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: kind of just motivated me to keep doing what I

899
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 1: was doing. And obviously, my my body felt great. I was,

900
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: you know, my my job was going well, my kid

901
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: was less sick. Uh. And and so I you know,

902
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: I loved it so much and I loved what it

903
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: did for me in my community that I I was.

904
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: I think I was open to what next, right, And

905
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: so a colleague of mine asked me, you know, if

906
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 1: I was interested in signing up for a full marathon.

907
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: I said absolutely not, because that was just kind of

908
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: my you know, my sort of automatic response. And so

909
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: but you know, she said, well, you know, because you're

910
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: doing so many half marathons, you should probably consider a

911
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,240
Speaker 1: full marathon. How about how about you do the Marine

912
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: Corps Marathon with me next year? And I said, that's

913
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:59,959
Speaker 1: an awful idea, Let's sign up. And I was back.

914
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: And that was the last year that you could actually

915
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 1: just sign up for the marathon without it being a lottery.

916
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 2: And this is twenty eleven, right, this.

917
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: Is twenty eleven. Yeah, okay, and yeah, so once I

918
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 1: signed up, I was in. You know, I was I trained.

919
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: You know, I just really looked forward to the long runs,

920
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: and I to this day that is the run that

921
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: I look forward to the most, is the long run

922
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: because I loved planning it. I love seeing you know,

923
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: you know, if I recover faster, if i'm you know better,

924
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: if i'm if I could sustain a particular pace for

925
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: a longer time, and it's just it's always a challenge,

926
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: and it's always a welcome challenge. And so so I

927
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: learned to do that. And you know, my first eighteen miler,

928
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,439
Speaker 1: my very very first eighteen miler, i'd done fifteen miles.

929
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 1: I'd done sixteen miles, and so the next long run

930
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: was an eighteen mile and I was pretty I was

931
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 1: pretty nervous about it because I didn't have anybody that

932
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: I knew that would that ran that long. So I

933
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: had to go out by myself on a trail in

934
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: New Jersey. And I didn't out back. I didn't have

935
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: enough water, I said it now, you know, I didn't

936
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: have enough gels, and but I had, but I had

937
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: some and and so I did the nine miles. And

938
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 1: after nine miles, I stopped at the side of the

939
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: trail and I said, oh my god, I don't I

940
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: don't think I can. I don't think I can do

941
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: the rest. But good thing. I was an out and

942
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: back because I had to get back to my car.

943
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: And so as I'm standing at the side of the trail,

944
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: a man runs by. Well I would learn his name

945
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: is Ralph, and he ran by. He saw me standing

946
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: at the side of the trail and stopped, came back

947
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: and and said, hey, you're right, and like, I think.

948
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: So he's like, what are you? What are you? What

949
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:53,919
Speaker 1: are you training? What are you training for? How many

950
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: miles you're running? Eighteen? He's like, well, where are you now?

951
00:54:56,520 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: He said nine? And I guess I looked a little dazed,

952
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: and so he said well are you Are you all right?

953
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: I was like I don't know, and he said okay,

954
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: so you know you got nine more miles ago? Uh?

955
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 1: And uh yeah? What are you training for us? In

956
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: the Marine Corps a marathon? He's like, oh, you know,

957
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: my girls are out here doing twenty two for the

958
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: Marine Corps. I'm like and I could not even fathom

959
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: that many miles. And I was like wow. He's like oh.

960
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: He is like, you know, do you have water on me?

961
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:27,399
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I got a little bit lost.

962
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 1: He said do you have a gel? I was like yeah.

963
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: He's like, take your jail, Karen like listening to this guy,

964
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 1: I don't know. He's like, take your jeil.

965
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 2: He's like the run, you gotta get it, yeah, yeah.

966
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 1: Because you got to get back to your car, right.

967
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, so I took the jail. He's like, drink.

968
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: He's like drink, I drink up and and I like

969
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: finished my water there and he said and he's like, well,

970
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 1: good luck, and uh, let me know, let me know

971
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: if you want to join us on a run. My

972
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: name is Ralph. We have a group. We meet every

973
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: week on this trail. You know, I'll see you later.

974
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,800
Speaker 1: You know, we're on Facebook. Look us up on Facebook

975
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 1: and uh. And I was like, and that just kind

976
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: of like enlivened me again. And I was able to finish,

977
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:08,439
Speaker 1: you know, albeit with a lot of chafing now and

978
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: like my feet heard and and I was so proud

979
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,439
Speaker 1: of myself for having done eighteen miles all of my own,

980
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: you know, with this trail whisper uh and his intervention

981
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 1: and uh. And then I became a part of his group.

982
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: I looked him up on Facebook and and then uh,

983
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: there was this whole community that opened up to me

984
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 1: then and so so I didn't know I did the

985
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: Marine Corps Marathon after.

986
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 3: That, and talk to me about crossing the finish line

987
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 3: at the Marine Corps Marathon.

988
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: Holy holy crap, it was. I was in a lot

989
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 1: of pain. And the reason I was in a lot

990
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: of pain, I mean, obviously it was my first marathon

991
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 1: and like it's painful, right, But I also UH fractured

992
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:52,399
Speaker 1: my ankle the very first week of training, Okay, on

993
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: a trail half marathon down in and it was the

994
00:56:56,080 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: North Face and Durance Challenge down in d C or

995
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: outside of DC rather, and uh, three miles into that

996
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 1: three and a half miles and into that, I fractured

997
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 1: my ankle. I thought it was the screen. And I

998
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 1: finished the half uh, and then my foot blew up afterwards,

999
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: and so I, you know, I had eight weeks of

1000
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: recovery from that and then UH, and then I had

1001
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: to continue training for this this UH marathon. And so

1002
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: I was, you know, I had my my foot was

1003
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: really really hurting and my body was hurting, and you know,

1004
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 1: but I that I finished and and UH when I

1005
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: crossed that finish line after like doubting myself fun and

1006
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: wondering why I was doing this to myself, you know,

1007
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: all those things that we think of as runners. Why

1008
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: am I? Why am I doing this? Why did I

1009
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 1: sign up for this? To cross that finish line after

1010
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: going up the last point to uh, up to Thewjima

1011
00:57:53,720 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: statue in Arlington and having the marines put the metal

1012
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: over your head. That was really just another cathartic moment.

1013
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, I wow, I did this. Oh

1014
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: my goodness, I don't believe I finished. Oh my goodness,

1015
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: I'm never doing this again. And then the next minute,

1016
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: I have to do this again. I have to get better.

1017
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: I have to I want a better time. I want

1018
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,919
Speaker 1: to not heard at the end. By the way, that's

1019
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: never happened. I still always heard at the end after

1020
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 1: eleven marathons. But I keep going back because there's something

1021
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: about it. There's something about, you know, fighting back those

1022
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: the demons of insecurity or thinking that you can't do something.

1023
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: There's something about crossing that finish line and the entire

1024
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: journey up to that that is just so worth it.

1025
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 1: Over and over again. I learned something about myself every

1026
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: single time.

1027
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 2: I love that. So then talk to me all but briefly.

1028
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 3: I mean, you just throughout the number eleven marathons, you

1029
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:57,439
Speaker 3: obviously went on to run farther than twenty six point

1030
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 3: two miles in one stint. So where are we at

1031
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 3: from a numbers perspective when it comes to marathons and

1032
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 3: ultras and all the things that you brave in the world.

1033
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: So up to fourteen ultras anywhere from fifty K to

1034
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 1: one hundred K. I've only done one one hundred.

1035
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 2: K to take you to do something like that, you.

1036
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 1: Know what, it was my only one. It took me

1037
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: over a day. Oh yeah, it took me over a day.

1038
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: It was a Habilina one hundred one hundred K. I'd

1039
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 1: never gone past thirty five miles and and you know,

1040
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: one stint and so it was in a desert, and

1041
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: I mean I was trained, but I mean it was

1042
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: a new beast. It was an entirely, entirely new thing

1043
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: for me. And so the first fifty k went so well,

1044
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 1: you know, again, I'm slow. It took me about ten

1045
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: hours to do the first fifty k at word then

1046
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: maybe maybe a little less than ten hours. And then

1047
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: and then that third loop of fifteen and a half

1048
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 1: miles was you know, when it was nightfall and I

1049
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 1: and I met, the lamp went out, My head lamp

1050
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: went out. I didn't have an extra until I reached

1051
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: the uh, the midway aid station and then and then

1052
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: I was hallucinating and I couldn't eat, and so it

1053
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: was really really really slow loop and uh and so

1054
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: but the last loop was you know, the sun was

1055
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: coming up, and I felt better. They had forced me

1056
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: to eat and drink and have some ginger and uh

1057
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 1: and broth, and so I felt fell on myself again

1058
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: and and I finished. And that was a really, really

1059
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: incredible thing, and that I didn't really I didn't really

1060
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 1: get how spectacular it was because I was in such

1061
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: a daze, yeah, at the end, because I was I

1062
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: had been up for like forty hours, and so you know,

1063
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 1: it was really really cool to see that my body

1064
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: could do that, and that I could I could yep

1065
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: that long and continue moving through the night among cacti

1066
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: in the complete darkness, and so that was really cool.

1067
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,640
Speaker 1: But like you know, the other races that I've done,

1068
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 1: the fifty k's and the thirty five mile ers and

1069
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: the one sixty k that I did in the city,

1070
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 1: you know, they've all held challenges for me. I've tried.

1071
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 1: I've started many many other races that I haven't finished,

1072
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 1: you know, for various reasons. But so I've finished fourteen

1073
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 1: ultras and then eleven marathons, both rure in marathons and

1074
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 1: trail marathons.

1075
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 2: I love that. Wow, how it's standing, and I think

1076
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 2: it's funny.

1077
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 3: I believe today that I liked a tweet that from

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Speaker 3: someone that said, I don't care how good of a

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Speaker 3: runner you might be, if your super experienced, if you

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Speaker 3: are a total newbies, going out and running a ten

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Speaker 3: mile is never quote unquote casual.

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Speaker 1: It's never easy. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, sorry. I read that,

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Speaker 1: and I was.

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Speaker 3: Like, never an easy ten milers. So I'm please your

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Speaker 3: one hundred k tackling a casual sixty two point one

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Speaker 3: three seven miles.

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Speaker 2: It's a really big deal.

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Speaker 1: You know. And what was funny was that I was

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Speaker 1: hungry for a month. I was hungry and thirsty for

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Speaker 1: an entire month, and that's what is wrong with my body.

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Speaker 1: And then, uh so the week after, I like took

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Speaker 1: the week off after that whole experience, because you know,

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Speaker 1: it was a new thing. I didn't know if I

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Speaker 1: should be running or whatever. But a friend of mine

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Speaker 1: made me up, maybe go out and run trails the

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Speaker 1: following Saturday, and I was like, oh, I can run now,

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Speaker 1: Like I can still run. I can. You know, I'm

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Speaker 1: still tired, at very tired, but but my body knows

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Speaker 1: what to do. Uh. And so that's the beauty of

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Speaker 1: running and doing hard things. Your body just kind of

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Speaker 1: knows what to do. Sometimes your mind does not agree totally,

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Speaker 1: your body knows what to do totally.

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Speaker 2: So then talk to me about what is on your radar.

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Speaker 3: Now, I know you mentioned you're going to have this

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Speaker 3: surgery in a few weeks, But when you've tackled so

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Speaker 3: so many races, what is it that's still on your

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Speaker 3: to do list?

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Speaker 1: So I actually have all these races that TCS the

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Speaker 1: company that's once, or the TCS New York City Marathon.

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Speaker 1: I have all these races that I was supposed to

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Speaker 1: do this this year that obviously have been canceled. So

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Speaker 1: I have all of those races to do next year.

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Speaker 1: So I've got the TCS New York City Marathon, I've

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Speaker 1: got the TCS Amsterdam Marathon to do. I have this

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Speaker 1: race in Sweden called the Lidinglopit thirty k to do,

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Speaker 1: and then I'm going to have my choice of the

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Speaker 1: New York City Half or London Marathon next year. So

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Speaker 1: so i'll be, you know, hopefully uh fully recovered from

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Speaker 1: this the surgery, I'll be doing those. And I got

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Speaker 1: an invite to go out to UTMB, so I won't

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Speaker 1: be doing UTMB because that's crazy.

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Speaker 2: What is that.

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Speaker 1: What is that UTNB is the Ultra Trail Mont Blanc

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Speaker 1: over in Chamonis in France. So I will again not

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Speaker 1: do that over one hundred miles. Will not be doing that,

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Speaker 1: but hopefully I will be able to. And this really

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Speaker 1: depends on whether or not I'm able to still like

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Speaker 1: kind of like Crash Downhill, the there's a forty k

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Speaker 1: and it's there. It's the fun run has like seventy

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Speaker 1: five hundred feet vertical game a fun run. It's for

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Speaker 1: the volunteers and the people in the locals. So so

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Speaker 1: that's my hopes. I'll be doing that, and I will

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Speaker 1: be hosting some other retreats. I've got one uh in

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Speaker 1: the Azores that is connected to the Azors Trail Run

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Speaker 1: where I do the and then I got I will

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Speaker 1: be going out to the Broken Arrow Skyrace. I'll bring

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Speaker 1: my retreat out there as well.

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Speaker 2: You've got nothing going on in summary.

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Speaker 1: No, I mean like I'm not busy, not busy at all.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't really have anything that dream for

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Speaker 1: and I'll probably I'll probably have some bike events in

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Speaker 1: there too. Yeah, so I'm super excited for twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: Even if you know things are canceled again. I'm excited

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Speaker 1: for the possibilities of, you know, kind of changing the

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Speaker 1: paradigm and what we do now and being outside more

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Speaker 1: and just you know, moving my body in that way.

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Speaker 2: I dig that.

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Speaker 3: And right now, if I look at your Instagram, you

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Speaker 3: have somewhere around one hundred and ten thousand followers, and

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Speaker 3: when they come to your page, they see exactly the

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Speaker 3: woman that you're really describing, someone that loves to be

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Speaker 3: active now, that's riding a bike a whole lot, that's

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Speaker 3: always on the trail. When you look in the mirror,

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Speaker 3: what is it that you see looking back at you.

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Speaker 1: Well, right now I see a busted lip, but I

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Speaker 1: definitely see someone who really tries to exude joy, the

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Speaker 1: joy that is within, like the really really authentic joy

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Speaker 1: that I have. I'm not always joyful, but like I'm

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Speaker 1: mostly joyful. I actually have a lot of like a

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Speaker 1: lot of personal things going on right now that aren't

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Speaker 1: necessarily happy. But yeah, I try to stay positive in

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Speaker 1: every and all things.

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Speaker 3: How do you find that positivity when it feels like

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Speaker 3: things are just coming at you one after the next.

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Speaker 1: I think that having experienced a lot of positive activity

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Speaker 1: in my life, even though there also is a lot

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Speaker 1: of negativity. But having having my experience of of of

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Speaker 1: goodness and hope and joy is a great reminder that

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Speaker 1: it is out there when things are hard and when

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Speaker 1: things are difficult or challenging. So that's what I look to.

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Speaker 1: That's what I look to. I look to that that

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Speaker 1: joy that I have experienced, that positivity that I've experienced,

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Speaker 1: all the good things that I have had the opportunity

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Speaker 1: to experience, those are embedded in my They're embedded in

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Speaker 1: my conscious and in my in my memory. So I

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Speaker 1: look to those when I'm when I'm having a difficult time.

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Speaker 3: What would you say the best piece of advice that

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Speaker 3: you've been offered has been on the run.

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Speaker 1: Actually, just recently, my coach likes to invoke all of

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Speaker 1: these sort of like contemporary philosophers, Ryan Holiday being one

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Speaker 1: of them, and uh, he said, you know, this whole

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Speaker 1: bike thing is good for you. He said, you know,

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Speaker 1: the obstacle is the Way. Ryan Holliday has a book

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Speaker 1: that's called The Obstacle is the Way, And he's like,

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Speaker 1: I think that is what you are experiencing and what

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Speaker 1: you're good at, Like seeing an obstacle a potential obstacle

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Speaker 1: as the way forward. And so I think that's a

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Speaker 1: really apt piece of advice. It's an apt way of

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Speaker 1: thinking of things that look like they are a challenge

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Speaker 1: because they might be a challenge. And this thing I'm

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Speaker 1: experiencing now is definitely a challenge. Is a physical challenge,

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Speaker 1: a mental challenge, is a spiritual challenge. But this challenge

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Speaker 1: has shown me that I can do other things, and

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Speaker 1: I can do them well, and it is an oportunity

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Speaker 1: for me to incorporate those other things into my life

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Speaker 1: and uh and to experience things different ways. So so

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Speaker 1: I love that, you know, like seeing this obstacle as

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Speaker 1: a way forward. I think that's my new mantra. The

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Speaker 1: obstacle is the way forward.

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Speaker 2: The obstacle is the way forward.

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Speaker 3: For someone who sees you out there, who thinks what

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Speaker 3: you're doing is rad but feels like they could never

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Speaker 3: do it themselves, what do you tell them?

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you have to just live with that voice that

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Speaker 1: says that you can't do something, and you do it anyway. Sometimes,

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Speaker 1: you you know, we have our the negative Nellies and

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Speaker 1: the negative Neds who tell us that we cannot do

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Speaker 1: something or we're not built to do this. Particular thing

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Speaker 1: and you know what, You can have that in one hand,

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Speaker 1: but then you can have the real you that knows

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Speaker 1: that you can do it. Your body knows that you

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01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:02,599
Speaker 1: can do this, and your heart knows that you can

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Speaker 1: do this. You take that with you and then you

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Speaker 1: go do the thing that you need to do for yourself.

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Speaker 2: I love that. That's such a good piece of advice. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so final question.

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Speaker 3: You have an opportunity right now to offer yourself one

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Speaker 3: piece of advice looking back on that hurdle moment, maybe

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Speaker 3: when you're down in Baltimore feeling not like yourself, or

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Speaker 3: perhaps right after that car ride, that big scare you had,

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Speaker 3: you're feeling unsure about how to move forward and be

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Speaker 3: there for your son as he gets older. You have

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Speaker 3: the opportunity to offer yourself one piece of advice. What

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Speaker 3: do you tell yourself?

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Speaker 1: Listen to your mind, your body, your heart, your spirit,

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Speaker 1: because they're not telling you anything you don't already know,

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Speaker 1: but sometimes you just need to hear it over and

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Speaker 1: over again and you need to listen to it. So

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Speaker 1: that is exactly what I needed to do then, and

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Speaker 1: I did, and that is why I'm able to be

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Speaker 1: here now, standing and happy and pretty successful.

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Speaker 2: We all face multiple hurdles in life. I want to

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Speaker 2: hear about yours.

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Speaker 3: Check me out all the things I have to ask

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Speaker 3: you really quick. As someone that feels super passionate about

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Speaker 3: building community, what does it mean like in your soul

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Speaker 3: in your heart when you go to that page and

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Speaker 3: you see the sixteen thousand people having important conversations because

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Speaker 3: you were the one that triggered these conversations.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, is it is so incredible Every single

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Speaker 1: day I open up that page to see that people

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Speaker 1: are engaging, I think, in healthy conversation just about athleticism,

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Speaker 1: and it is you know that is It feels like

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Speaker 1: it's my way of sort of giving back and paying

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Speaker 1: forward all the all the goodness that I have received.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to give it back to people and I

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Speaker 1: want them to be able to pay it for it

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Speaker 1: as well. And so it is. It's a really really incredible,

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Speaker 1: uh experience. It's an incredible sight to six thousand people's

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Speaker 1: sixteen thousand people A lot of people. Oh yeah, and

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Speaker 1: uh it is. I really really look towards like the

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Speaker 1: model of like the good community to to formulate the

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Speaker 1: communities that I do. And and I'm hoping I think

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Speaker 1: it's the best community on Facebook. So you should join.

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