Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks? DJ, Buck
Speaker 2: with you? Buck? How you doing, man, I'm good.
Speaker 3: DJ.
Speaker 4: It's the first time that you and I've gotten together
Speaker 4: since the draft and all the chaos. I got to
Speaker 4: command you on the job that you did. I didn't
Speaker 4: get a chance to see it or hear it because
Speaker 4: we were working simultaneously. But the feedback that I got
Speaker 4: and the advice that you gave to one your der
Speaker 4: Sanders was I much need it everything. After all the
Speaker 4: conversations post draft that I've.
Speaker 2: Heard, well, I appreciate that and congrats to you.
Speaker 1: And I heard like I got some of the number
Speaker 1: of reports for all the stuff you guys were doing,
Speaker 1: and it was like crazy growth, man. So it's fun
Speaker 1: to see all the different ways we kind of communicate
Speaker 1: with the masses during during the draft and to see
Speaker 1: just the entire thing just continue to grow and build
Speaker 1: is is pretty cool. So I'm excited to catch up
Speaker 1: with you in the I've got one of the things
Speaker 1: I wanted to hit on, and we'll get to it
Speaker 1: in just a minute. But I wanted to hit on
Speaker 1: how and we've seen this before, how your relationship in
Speaker 1: history with players at previous stops or years passing your
Speaker 1: organization informs your decisions on the guys you draft because
Speaker 1: you think you've you've coached this type of player before.
Speaker 1: And so I got a list of players that I
Speaker 1: want to get your thoughts on. But we're gonna get
Speaker 1: to that in just a minute. But first of all,
Speaker 1: it's time for Hot or Not, brought to you by
Speaker 1: with Sabi Hot Cloud Storage. So I mean, I look,
Speaker 1: we'll start there. We don't need to spend a ton
Speaker 1: of time on it. Everybody's said their piece. We both
Speaker 1: had a chance to say our thoughts on it. But
Speaker 1: the more time removed from the from the chador thing,
Speaker 1: the draft thing, My my biggest takeaway, Buck might be
Speaker 1: this will probably be.
Speaker 2: You know, we talk about teaching tape or what have.
Speaker 1: You, but this is this is probably a reason why
Speaker 1: agents matter, you know, why why you could say, if
Speaker 1: you're an agent, I would I would use this as
Speaker 1: a you know, as an example of why you should
Speaker 1: hire an agent. And there's a reason why, Buck, that
Speaker 1: these these training facilities make so much money where they
Speaker 1: bring these kids in. It's not just to teach him
Speaker 1: how to run a three cone like, I think it's
Speaker 1: to kind of help you guide you through the process,
Speaker 1: because I think that was where things kind of fell
Speaker 1: off track.
Speaker 2: That's how I looked at it.
Speaker 4: Okay, So before we talk about Shador, I want to
Speaker 4: use Jackson Dart as the example. And the reason why
Speaker 4: I want to use Jackson Dart as the example is
Speaker 4: during Super Bowl we had an opportunity in the viewing room,
Speaker 4: Jackson Dart and his dad came through. Jackson Dart was
Speaker 4: sitting up beside us. He was asking questions and really
Speaker 4: wanted to dig into the process before I think that
Speaker 4: was was that before the Singer Bowl, is before the
Speaker 4: Senior Bowl.
Speaker 3: So whatever we were watching, we were doing Saturday games.
Speaker 4: And so he comes through, he does that, he has
Speaker 4: all the questions, he does all of data whatever. And
Speaker 4: I don't know if you had a chance to see
Speaker 4: the phone call that Brian Dable and Joe Shane made
Speaker 4: to Jackson Dart, and one of the first things they
Speaker 4: said is like, man, you kill the process.
Speaker 3: You really crushed the process.
Speaker 4: Both guys said it individual to him about the process.
Speaker 4: And it was at that moment when I saw that
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, that process is really everything and
Speaker 4: maybe not even in my own navita because we've all
Speaker 4: worked for teams or whatever, but in a different time,
Speaker 4: that process for quarterbacks is really unique and different. And
Speaker 4: then I went back and I had an opportunity to
Speaker 4: see the clips from Hard Knocks last year where the
Speaker 4: Giants kind of went through the quarterback process with Jayden Daniels,
Speaker 4: Drake May and all that, and they really gave access
Speaker 4: to how they go about it, and Joe and that
Speaker 4: clip talked about, Look, this process that we feel like
Speaker 4: we've honed down has been very successful for us throughout
Speaker 4: the years, not only with the guys that we acquired
Speaker 4: Josh Allen when they went through the process in Buffalo,
Speaker 4: but the other guys who've killed this process, like a
Speaker 4: Jayden Daniels, they also.
Speaker 3: Had success in the league.
Speaker 4: And so what that led me to believe is if
Speaker 4: you're a player, and let's just say Shadur didn't prepare
Speaker 4: to really crush this process after watching how they go
Speaker 4: about it, there's no your way. You can fake your
Speaker 4: way through it, Like it's not a process, Like I
Speaker 4: want everyone to understand, this is not one where you
Speaker 4: can go to the class, not study the test, but like, hey,
Speaker 4: I'm a wing it, it's not one that you can
Speaker 4: do it. You really got to prepare. You really got
Speaker 4: to know the ins and outs. And it's not only
Speaker 4: about knowing your stuff, it's how do you articulate the
Speaker 4: game to others? How do you articulate your level of
Speaker 4: knowledge in those things? And amid chaos in an interview session.
Speaker 3: So if you didn't take that.
Speaker 4: Part seriously, if you didn't approach this like you and
Speaker 4: I would say to our kids on a regular job,
Speaker 4: you go for a job interview a wear your blue suit,
Speaker 4: make sure your shoes are polish, make sure you come
Speaker 4: in there. Have you researched a company? Do you know
Speaker 4: who you're talking to? Have you researched them? Do you
Speaker 4: have all of the answers to be able to like
Speaker 4: a swat analysis test? What are my strengths? What are
Speaker 4: my weaknesses? How am I working to make those weaknesses
Speaker 4: my strengths? All of those things that we would tell, well,
Speaker 4: if you don't approach the NFL job interview like that,
Speaker 4: it'll come back and get you.
Speaker 3: And I think that's what we saw.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think first of all, to correct the
Speaker 1: timeline you're correct. I'm now like going back in my head,
Speaker 1: So Senior Bowl would have been before the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: so he had done he had been through the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl process. He came in, watched the Super Bowl. But
Speaker 1: I mean he asked a bazillion questions about like when
Speaker 1: you're meeting with teams the combine and well, you you know,
Speaker 1: when you're going through this process, and then at the
Speaker 1: pro day and at the workout, it's like, how you know,
Speaker 1: how do what are they looking for? What do I
Speaker 1: need to convey? What are the things you'd think I
Speaker 1: need to work on? Like there was some awareness there,
Speaker 1: and that's really probably the biggest thing is just the awareness.
Speaker 1: And I was going back through it, and you know,
Speaker 1: we've seen in years past, because I think people will go, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, we see all these top quarterbacks. They don't
Speaker 1: throw at the combine or they don't do this and that,
Speaker 1: and they kind of choose what they want to do.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you have to know where you are, not
Speaker 1: just in how confident you are on your ability, but
Speaker 1: you have to know where your stock is. So cam Ward,
Speaker 1: he was viewed as the top guy, and that gap
Speaker 1: just kept getting wider and wider, So cam Ord didn't
Speaker 1: need to throw at the combine, cam Ward didn't need
Speaker 1: to go to All Star games. Like cam Ward was
Speaker 1: a made man for lack of a better phrase, But
Speaker 1: when you look at the quarterbacks that went next, Buck
Speaker 1: Jackson Dart Full Process Senior Bowl included Tyler Schuck, Full
Speaker 1: Process Senior Bowl included Jalen Milroe. Full Process Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: included Dylan Gabriel. Full Process Senior Bowl included Like those
Speaker 1: guys knew that, Hey, I'm not in that tier, so
Speaker 1: I got to do all the stuff along the way
Speaker 1: to get me, you know, to have teams, you know,
Speaker 1: want to pick me, because there's a difference between it's
Speaker 1: the love and the like. If teams love you, they're
Speaker 1: going to they're not going to be as demanding of
Speaker 1: the process. If teams like you, it is your job
Speaker 1: to make them love you. Does that make any sense?
Speaker 1: That don't know what it was.
Speaker 4: And I also think that everyone has to understand that
Speaker 4: there is a shift that's going on international Football League,
Speaker 4: not just with quarterbacks but with all players.
Speaker 3: And I think we heard it repeatedly.
Speaker 4: We heard it on your telecast where they talked about
Speaker 4: guys are really going after players who really love ball,
Speaker 4: Like DJ, think about how many times in the past
Speaker 4: we will say that, But there's a concerted effort by
Speaker 4: teams to make sure that the guys they acquire love ball.
Speaker 4: And I'm gonna use the Jaguars as an example. One
Speaker 4: of the things that general manager James Glasstone talked about
Speaker 4: when he first took the job is, Hey, it's not
Speaker 4: about us setting the culture. It's us bringing in the
Speaker 4: players who change the culture just by being themselves. And
Speaker 4: the way that they change the culture is they already
Speaker 4: have these things where they want to be great, they
Speaker 4: want to come to work, they want to do extra
Speaker 4: all this, So DJ, what they did is people will
Speaker 4: tell you, and I'll tell you the story about Travis Hunter.
Speaker 4: Travis Commers. Hunter comes into the facility after being selected.
Speaker 4: He goes through and does all the stuff, and then
Speaker 4: he's looking to change clothes so he can go work
Speaker 4: out with the team, and they're like, no, you can't
Speaker 4: do that yet, but but that's how he was.
Speaker 3: And then the other thing that came out.
Speaker 4: You know this because you were at the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 4: so Jack Kaiser, I didn't notice, but evidently during the game.
Speaker 2: I switch everyone plays safety.
Speaker 4: Everybody opted out. He's an inside linebacker by trade. But
Speaker 4: on game that he was like, oh cool, I'll go
Speaker 4: and play safety. And there was someone else who played
Speaker 4: on both sides or whatever.
Speaker 3: They drafted him and they said.
Speaker 4: We want guys who embraced all aspects of the process,
Speaker 4: even if it will put you in a position to
Speaker 4: not look at your best, to not look like you
Speaker 4: know what you're doing, because you love ball so much
Speaker 4: that you're like, hey, I'll do everything.
Speaker 3: And he talked about last year.
Speaker 4: Was Braden fisk I played on ball, switch team, played
Speaker 4: on both teams.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he switched teams.
Speaker 3: So and so DJ So.
Speaker 4: Now when you have all those quarterbacks like Jalen Milroe
Speaker 4: and Tyler Shuck and Jack Dark, they're all going through
Speaker 4: the process and all willingly doing everything, you stick out
Speaker 4: like a sore thumb when you don't participate like that.
Speaker 4: And even though we're in the thing where everyone is
Speaker 4: celebrating the player empowerment era, you're empowered to do whatever
Speaker 4: you want to do. You can opt out or whatever.
Speaker 4: But I'm telling you now, it ain't like it used
Speaker 4: to be. They're judging on that, and some of the
Speaker 4: other guys like a Will Johnson, like Will Johnson elected.
Speaker 4: Not okay, But what they're doing is if they have
Speaker 4: somewhere where we can complete all the boxes and tie
Speaker 4: up all the loose ends, I'm gonna take the prospect
Speaker 4: that I know everything about as opposed to the prospect
Speaker 4: that has some unknowns.
Speaker 1: The one thing because we talked about, you know, we
Speaker 1: tackled this subject from a lot of different areas on
Speaker 1: TV over the three days, and you know, try and
Speaker 1: be measured and reasonable and everything, and I try and
Speaker 1: give people a look inside when you've been inside.
Speaker 2: Those buildings and what that would look like.
Speaker 1: The only thing that I that I said that I
Speaker 1: got some that I I's see all the feedback. But
Speaker 1: the one thing that was brought to my attention with
Speaker 1: some negative attention off what I said was at one
Speaker 1: point time, I said, when he had kept sliding. I said,
Speaker 1: if I were, if I were advising him, what I
Speaker 1: would tell him was of the teams you met with.
Speaker 1: Now that's not all thirty two.
Speaker 3: But I would call them.
Speaker 1: I would call him and say, hey, something got miscommunicated
Speaker 1: to this problem. I want you to know that, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm a football player, and this is my desire and passion.
Speaker 1: I'm coming there to work, Like this is not about
Speaker 1: you know, production value or any of this other stuff
Speaker 1: that you might associate with me, Like, I just want
Speaker 1: an opportunity. I will compete my butt off, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make us a better team. Let's start there. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna earn everything.
Speaker 2: But like and then.
Speaker 1: People were like, oh, you're asking him, do you want
Speaker 1: him to call and beg teams? And I'm like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's not that's not at all what I'm saying. What
Speaker 1: I'm saying is if I went and inter personally, if
Speaker 1: I went interviewed for a job that I wanted and
Speaker 1: then I heard, you know what, they didn't like some
Speaker 1: of the things you said in the interview, I don't
Speaker 1: think they're going to hire you. My first thing would
Speaker 1: be like, let me call it, hey, sir, I know
Speaker 1: in our conversation I interviewed maybe the way that didn't
Speaker 1: come across the right way, But I want to let
Speaker 1: you know that I'm going to work as hard as
Speaker 1: I possibly can, like I'm the right guy for this job.
Speaker 1: That's not begging for a job, So that's that's not
Speaker 1: lowering yourself. That's just trying to be proactive and show
Speaker 1: a commitment to make sure that we're on the same page.
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, if you want
Speaker 1: to go somewhere else, that's fine, but I want you
Speaker 1: to have a proper understanding of what I'm about.
Speaker 2: That's all I was saying.
Speaker 4: So a couple of things with that because I saw
Speaker 4: that and I to me, it was sensible.
Speaker 3: It makes sense. If I want the job, go get
Speaker 3: the job.
Speaker 4: Like that's one of the things like in civilian life,
Speaker 4: if you want a job doing that interview, it's important
Speaker 4: for you to convey to the person interviewing you, I
Speaker 4: want this job, and if I get this job, here's
Speaker 4: how I'm gonna perform in that job. And it's a
Speaker 4: way to not only display confidence but also humility and saying, hey,
Speaker 4: I'm about the team, I'm this and that. That's also
Speaker 4: where lack of representation heard them, because representation, that's a
Speaker 4: person who could.
Speaker 1: Be having that conversation like, hey, I talked to this
Speaker 1: team and they said that you said answered this question
Speaker 1: this way, and that rubbed them the wrong way.
Speaker 2: Like, well, we need to go let's we need you
Speaker 2: guys on the phone together.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we need to go clean it up. We need
Speaker 4: to get on the zoom. We need to make sure
Speaker 4: that everyone clearly understands.
Speaker 3: That part of it.
Speaker 4: The other thing that I did on DJ because then
Speaker 4: people talked about the fall and the slide and all
Speaker 4: of that stuff, But I was trying to let people
Speaker 4: know in the draft, what happens is you have the
Speaker 4: vertical board, you.
Speaker 3: Have the horizontal board.
Speaker 4: Horizontal board is the positions and order what happens DJ.
Speaker 3: If we are a team that doesn't need.
Speaker 4: A quarterback, even though Shuder is there, that doesn't change
Speaker 4: our process. And I know we can talk about best
Speaker 4: player available, but best player available is a thing that
Speaker 4: we use as we're checking off needs in those things,
Speaker 4: it's just not a we're going willy nilly and just
Speaker 4: taking random players at the top of the board that
Speaker 4: don't necessarily job And particularly when you're the first three rounds,
Speaker 4: the guys that you take in the first three.
Speaker 3: Rounds of guys that we're projecting the starters.
Speaker 4: So if I don't have an immediate need at quarterback,
Speaker 4: we can acknowledge that a player is worthy of doing that,
Speaker 4: but we're not seriously entertaining or considering that there's a
Speaker 4: level of the draft where we get to then now
Speaker 4: we'll begin to consider. Okay, look, we don't have the need,
Speaker 4: but this guy was rated as the second round player.
Speaker 4: He's in the fifth round. Let's take him just from
Speaker 4: a value standpoint, which is what I believe the Browns
Speaker 4: got to. But I'm gonna say this, it's really sticky
Speaker 4: in the Browns quarterback room just because of the pecking order.
Speaker 4: So when you take Dylan Gabril in the third round, DJA,
Speaker 4: your third round pick is on the team. So we
Speaker 4: can sit here and talk about it's an open competition,
Speaker 4: but your third round pick is on the team. So
Speaker 4: now this competition is because it's your version during pick
Speaker 4: a kit, that's the competition.
Speaker 3: So that's what it is. I think we've exhausted.
Speaker 4: We've talked about this a lot, and I would rather
Speaker 4: like not being disrespectful to I'd rather talk about some
Speaker 4: of the other guys had an opportunity to do their.
Speaker 3: Thing, because that's what I mean.
Speaker 4: I felt like the telecasts became all about Sanders, and
Speaker 4: we just want to make sure that others get love
Speaker 4: for their opportunities to go.
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Speaker 1: just a quick pause and we'll come back because I've
Speaker 1: got I got some names. I'm run by you, and
Speaker 1: i want to get your thoughts on the comparisons with
Speaker 1: coaches or general managers that they had a previous player
Speaker 1: that might have informed their decision. So we'll get to
Speaker 1: that list right after this. All right, Buck, First up,
Speaker 1: this one is an easy one. H Pete Carroll Ashton
Speaker 1: Genty stylistically Marshawn Lynch like he appreciates that style and
Speaker 1: that brand of runner.
Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely, look DJ It's one of those things that
Speaker 4: was the easiest one to mock when you're going through the.
Speaker 3: Mock and you're like raiders Aston Genty could be there.
Speaker 3: Would he do it? Yes? Why?
Speaker 4: Because displayer gives him what he's always wanted, a workhorse
Speaker 4: runner who can do all the grimy stuff. But also
Speaker 4: as a fact in the passing game, and for people
Speaker 4: who really haven't been reminded of how good Marshawn Lynch was,
Speaker 4: it wasn't just beastmode running. There was a time there
Speaker 4: did whenever they needed a go to play in the
Speaker 4: passing game, the.
Speaker 3: Ball went to Marshawn Lynz. Like that's how good he was.
Speaker 4: He was so good out of the backfield first coming
Speaker 4: out of Caw and then he goes into the league
Speaker 4: and then when he gets to Seattle, Man, they really
Speaker 4: tapped into that. To me, I believe Pete Carroll is
Speaker 4: kind of recreating some of that offense that he previously
Speaker 4: had in Seattle to have the Raiders get back on
Speaker 4: track and close the gap on the competitors. Asking Gensy
Speaker 4: is the workhorse, the lynch pin to that offense being
Speaker 4: able to kind of play that stole.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're going to be able to finish games
Speaker 1: with him too. I mean, think about all those games
Speaker 1: that Marshawn Lynch is kind of put away. You know, Hey,
Speaker 1: they got a good defense. You know they've got a
Speaker 1: good front. I should say they have some other pieces
Speaker 1: they need to fill in, but they hey, if we
Speaker 1: can get out to a lead, he can salt the
Speaker 1: game away here and Pete Carroll's always appreciate having somebody
Speaker 1: like that. All right, next one, there's two teams that
Speaker 1: hit this one. So I'm gonna go with the Chicago Bears, okay,
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna come back with the New York Jets.
Speaker 1: They took Colston Loveland in Chicago, and they took Mason Taylor.
Speaker 1: With the Jets, you had head coach for Chicago, Ben Johnson,
Speaker 1: who came from Detroit with Sam Laporta head coach New
Speaker 1: York Jets. You had Aaron Glenn who came from Detroit
Speaker 1: with Sam Laporta.
Speaker 2: I think Sam.
Speaker 1: Laporta helped place both those guys in those teams because
Speaker 1: I think you look at Loveland, you look at Mason Taylor,
Speaker 1: you know, size, speed, stylistically.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of similarities to a guy like Sam Laporta.
Speaker 4: That was the first thing that came up to me
Speaker 4: when I saw Loveland go over top of Tyler Warren.
Speaker 4: I was like Ben Johnson was doing his evaluations and
Speaker 4: he was like, Man Lovelan reminds me a lot of
Speaker 4: Sam Report. I could do a lot of the same
Speaker 4: things I did with the Porter with him, and I'm
Speaker 4: being honest, Djay, I felt like he did the same
Speaker 4: thing with Luther Burton. I feel like Luther Burdon was
Speaker 4: a bit of a I've seen big I felt like
Speaker 4: he said, Oh, I can recreate the offense that I
Speaker 4: just had.
Speaker 3: I got all of these guys.
Speaker 4: I got an alpha dog competitor and slave receiver in Burden,
Speaker 4: and then I have Lovelin who can do all this stuff.
Speaker 4: With Sam on the porter, I can set my quarterback
Speaker 4: up success without really having to deviate too far from
Speaker 4: the system and the scheme and the way that I
Speaker 4: want to play by now getting the personnel that I'm
Speaker 4: very familiar with and comfortable with from my time in Detroit.
Speaker 1: And then last one for those teams, let's go Aaron
Speaker 1: Glenn New York Jets. They decided with their first pick
Speaker 1: to take a big, physical, run blocking right tackle who
Speaker 1: isn't completely as polished in the past game. But we're
Speaker 1: going to dominate physically and we're going to develop more
Speaker 1: as a pass protector. That remind you of anybody from Detroit.
Speaker 3: Oh, maybe let's see Pa. So maybe maybe we'll take
Speaker 3: a big dude.
Speaker 4: That anchor that offensive line and to give us what
Speaker 4: it is that we want to have in terms of
Speaker 4: as a team, we want to be a physical team.
Speaker 4: We eventually want to run the ball, we want to
Speaker 4: protect the quarterback and all those things.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: You know, it's funny because the conversation on Membu DJ,
Speaker 4: I was getting feedback from some people like, man, I
Speaker 4: don't think he's a great I'm not in love.
Speaker 3: With him, from so many people in the business.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I don't get that.
Speaker 3: I was like, I definitely don't see that. Like I
Speaker 3: see a really good play here, who can do.
Speaker 4: A lot, and I think the Jets certainly saw that,
Speaker 4: and man, having him anchor it down talking about a
Speaker 4: right tackle that can really get physical and establish it
Speaker 4: at the point of attack, it certainly works.
Speaker 3: For them, and it worked for Detroit for a long time.
Speaker 1: Yep, this one I don't see. I don't agree with
Speaker 1: this comparison quite as much, but I understand what the
Speaker 1: goal is here, and that's what Ted McMillan and Mike Evans,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to draw the connection with Dave Canalis
Speaker 1: coming from Tampa.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So it's funny that you wrote it up because I
Speaker 4: feel like the Tampa situation impacted two teams.
Speaker 3: It impacted the Carolina Panthers, with Ted.
Speaker 4: McMillan being the Mike Evans type basically recreating it right.
Speaker 4: So I could see Dave Canal is looking at and Okay,
Speaker 4: I got Tevic Millan over here. He is Mike Evans.
Speaker 4: I have Xavier Laguette over here. He's going to be
Speaker 4: my Chris Gottwin type. I got two big bodied playmakers
Speaker 4: that are going to expand the strike.
Speaker 3: Zone for Bryce Young.
Speaker 4: I also believe down in Tampa a mecha Abuka gives
Speaker 4: them what they had. He's like, oh, I got someone
Speaker 4: that can be an easy replacement for either one of
Speaker 4: these guys, presumably Mike Evans if he doesn't resign after
Speaker 4: next year. They now have two big guys that they
Speaker 4: can play with that they've always kind of operated with
Speaker 4: that has really helped Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 3: So I do believe you're right.
Speaker 4: Everyone kind of has a blueprint that they prefer to follow,
Speaker 4: and that blueprint is established along the way, either with
Speaker 4: the player that they've come in contact with or being
Speaker 4: in an organization.
Speaker 3: And you had a lot of success operating a certain way.
Speaker 1: Mm how about this one? Emon Wari got picked in
Speaker 1: Seattle and everybody was doing the oh they got the
Speaker 1: new cam Chancellor, And I'm sitting here going, oh, no,
Speaker 1: Mike McDonald came from Baltimore and he's got is Kyle
Speaker 1: Hamilton Like that's he knows how to use that big
Speaker 1: player in that role and it's so good. He's a
Speaker 1: kind of a faster version of Kyle Hamilton.
Speaker 3: Means such such a good like such a good fit,
Speaker 3: such a good pick.
Speaker 4: Not only that, because you're talking about em and worry
Speaker 4: like kind of dropping in there, but how about John
Speaker 4: Snyder and those guys looking and seeing a bigger, faster
Speaker 4: Cam Chancellor and being like, oh, you know, it kind
Speaker 4: of reminds me of we've had success in this model
Speaker 4: using this kind of player. Yeah, DJ it works, I believe,
Speaker 4: And I know people hate when we do the comparison things,
Speaker 4: but I'm telling you every coach it does this.
Speaker 3: This guy reminds me of this. This is what I'm
Speaker 3: gonna do with him if he comes in. He's that.
Speaker 3: And when we are presenting a.
Speaker 4: Player to the coach and said hey, coach, he kind
Speaker 4: of reminds us of the coach immediately said, oh, okay,
Speaker 4: this is a game plan for how we use a
Speaker 4: player that has that.
Speaker 3: This is what we did with him. We'll do the
Speaker 3: same things and it'll work. For him as well.
Speaker 1: All right, this one was a fun one. Me Sean
Speaker 1: Payton goes and gets R. J. Harvey, which is his
Speaker 1: Darren Sproles.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Darren spos had a lot of success for
Speaker 3: the Saints.
Speaker 4: I mean, he was a very impactful player, and he
Speaker 4: was part of a deep rotation they would mixing in.
Speaker 4: You couldn't cover him out the backfield. He was so
Speaker 4: explosive also in the run in return game and all
Speaker 4: that other stuff. He did a lot for them. Very
Speaker 4: underrated are his contributions to what that team was able
Speaker 4: to do down in New Orleans?
Speaker 1: All right, I'm not saying these are that this player
Speaker 1: is as good as these players, but this is what
Speaker 1: I was told.
Speaker 2: And I knew that.
Speaker 1: I knew the Cowboys were on the interior offensive lineman,
Speaker 1: so I knew. I thought there was a chance it
Speaker 1: could be a trade back and take Gray Zabel or
Speaker 1: Tyler Booker. They ended up, you know, kind of getting
Speaker 1: stuck there and then it has taken Booker. But what
Speaker 1: was told to me after the fact was in their
Speaker 1: meetings and in their conversations, it was like we've always
Speaker 1: had elite guards when we've had good teams like there's
Speaker 1: the era, the Larry Allen era, then there was the
Speaker 1: Zach Martin era where they want a lot of football games.
Speaker 1: So they understand the importance in their building of having
Speaker 1: valuable resources dedicated to the guard position. And so that's
Speaker 1: why they were comfortable when they got stuck and couldn't
Speaker 1: get out, saying, well, maybe not as much value around
Speaker 1: the league here, but for us, there's tremendous value to
Speaker 1: invest in this position.
Speaker 3: I'll even go deeper than that. I will say that.
Speaker 4: So Brian Schottenheimer is the son of Marty Schottenheimer. When
Speaker 4: we were all in Kansas City, Will Shields was at
Speaker 4: one guard, Tim Grunnett was at another guard in Dave's eye,
Speaker 4: and so Marty was standing in front of the room
Speaker 4: and say, it doesn't matter who we haven't running back.
Speaker 4: As long as we have this interior three, we can
Speaker 4: dominate anybody. And when I'm looking at the Cowboys and
Speaker 4: what they're creating, DJ, they're creating dominant interior three where
Speaker 4: they can just run the ball at whomever. And we
Speaker 4: always talk about build your team to win your division.
Speaker 4: Jalen Carter plays where three technique, Oh, you better have
Speaker 4: some people that are okay, making.
Speaker 3: This a bit of a street fight at the point
Speaker 3: of attack in the middle.
Speaker 1: Now, I'm sure they've seen each other over the years too.
Speaker 1: Alabama Georgia games going back. I can't wait to see
Speaker 1: that one. That's gonna be fun. Last one again, not
Speaker 1: comparing to the Hall of Famer, but Malachi Starks ed
Speaker 1: reed just in terms of the body type, fluid, smooth
Speaker 1: movers who are incredibly football smart. So I think that's
Speaker 1: kind of the I think that helped inform the Ravens
Speaker 1: love for a guy like Malachi Starks.
Speaker 4: I'm all on board on that, DJ because the thing
Speaker 4: did I think about is I think.
Speaker 3: About his IQ.
Speaker 4: And during the process we talked about Malachay Starks and
Speaker 4: all the IQ stuff and what he did to me
Speaker 4: that's what it is.
Speaker 3: It's the high IQ stuff that would allow him to.
Speaker 4: Play as a nice playmate to Cale Hamilton, to make
Speaker 4: a nun plays in the middle of the field.
Speaker 1: All right, last last thing here. That's it for those
Speaker 1: comps here and I'll hit you on one more thing
Speaker 1: and then we're going to uh, We're going to bounce
Speaker 1: out of here. But we talked so much about the
Speaker 1: edge and the DTS So I'm gonna go through.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go through.
Speaker 1: The top five to six, five or six guys at
Speaker 1: each position, and just tell me the value slash fit
Speaker 1: that you love the best. Okay, because we talked about
Speaker 1: this strength of this draft being the d lineman. So
Speaker 1: the DTS Mason Graham he goes five to the Cleveland Browns,
Speaker 1: Kenneth Grant earlier than a lot of people thought, thirteen
Speaker 1: to the Miami Dolphins, Walter Nolan at Ole mess at
Speaker 1: d tackle he goes sixteen to the Cardinals, Derek Harmon
Speaker 1: goes twenty one to the Pittsburgh Steelers, and then Tyler
Speaker 1: Williams he goes twenty eight to the Detroit Lions from
Speaker 1: Ohio State. So which one of those to me you
Speaker 1: like the best in terms of the fit value, all
Speaker 1: that good stuff.
Speaker 4: Well, honestly, I love Mason Graham, but I'm gonna say
Speaker 4: Walton Nolan, and I'm gonna say dj that I the
Speaker 4: more that I looked at Walton Noland late, the more
Speaker 4: I liked him, and what the Arizona Cardinals are doing
Speaker 4: in terms of being able to put him on the inside,
Speaker 4: and look they went with all pretty much all big
Speaker 4: ten draft right, get a bunch of.
Speaker 3: Gifts from the big ten and they invest in it.
Speaker 4: But Walton Nolan is a guy that is the outliery
Speaker 4: because it comes from the SEC. But look, man, you
Speaker 4: talk about a guy that was the former number one
Speaker 4: recruit in high school. He bounces around, but then at
Speaker 4: old mess Man, you see the flashes of dominance, and
Speaker 4: I just believe man, in the right system, the right environment,
Speaker 4: he is going to be a dominant player at the
Speaker 4: point of attack.
Speaker 3: So to me, I love that pick. I love that fit.
Speaker 2: All right, that's a good one.
Speaker 1: I'm going to actually go Derek Harmon with the Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: Steelers and we had Mike Tomlin on.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you got a chance to see this.
Speaker 1: So this was the question I asked, and I didn't
Speaker 1: mention the stat but you know, they lost to Baltimore
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Baltimore rushed for two hundred and ninety
Speaker 1: nine yards in that game against the Pittsburgh Steelers. And
Speaker 1: I said, defense, the pride you have in that unit,
Speaker 1: I said, when you walked off the field, like, how
Speaker 1: long before you started thinking about what you needed to
Speaker 1: do to revamp this defense? So that something like that
Speaker 1: would never happen again, and Tomlin just looked straight into
Speaker 1: the camera and said before I got in the shower,
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: Like, I'm telling you, man, there's pride there. So what
Speaker 2: do you do. You got to get Derek Harmon, who
Speaker 2: can be a dominant player against the run. You go
Speaker 2: out and get Jack Sawyer, who is a rugged edgsetter.
Speaker 2: Think about that.
Speaker 1: I was looking at their depth, jart Buck. They're going
Speaker 1: to run out there with t J. Watt and high
Speaker 1: Smith as their starters. Right now, They've got Herbig and
Speaker 1: Jack Sawyer. That's the three and a four edge rushers.
Speaker 1: Like that is they're gonna be able to roll those
Speaker 1: guys through, keep everybody fresh. But then y a black
Speaker 1: out out of Iowa who's massive, like they they didn't
Speaker 1: like that very much the way that went down last year,
Speaker 1: and they've kind of rebuilt, refortified and got younger across
Speaker 1: their front.
Speaker 2: So I like that value. I like that fel Derrek
Speaker 2: Carmon's a really, really good player.
Speaker 4: Look, and we talked about him as we were running
Speaker 4: up to the draft, about how good he is and
Speaker 4: how impactful he could be at the point of attack,
Speaker 4: and the thing that I love about the Steelers is
Speaker 4: not only taking.
Speaker 3: Like a Derek Carmon, right.
Speaker 4: I feel like these teams that traditionally draft well, they
Speaker 4: have a clear understanding of their brand. So dj they
Speaker 4: get him at a point of attack, He's down to
Speaker 4: play anything. Come and get Jackson, like man, I should
Speaker 4: have known that they would get jack Do they not
Speaker 4: take every former Ohio State outside linebacker defensive manlight?
Speaker 3: They always do it because it always.
Speaker 4: Fits what they want to do. And look, Man, Harmon
Speaker 4: is a good player. I love the effort and energy.
Speaker 4: He has a toughness to him that certainly fits how
Speaker 4: they want to play.
Speaker 3: Man, it's funny that you said.
Speaker 4: Tom that said that, because I think you know, you know,
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, especially the way Baltimore
Speaker 4: pat hands on him.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's not good enough.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the edge, guys. Here, abdul Carter,
Speaker 1: he goes three to the Giants. Mike L Williams goes
Speaker 1: eleven to the San Franco forty nine ers, which, by
Speaker 1: the way, the Niners took a bunch of run stoppers,
Speaker 1: which is kind of fascinating because we think about them
Speaker 1: as like, you know, wide nine attack fronts, like they
Speaker 1: took a bunch of guys who are kind of dominant,
Speaker 1: edge setting guys. I think that's a little bit of
Speaker 1: a byproduct of the Rams and their physicality and kind
Speaker 1: of how they want to play. So I thought that
Speaker 1: was fascinating. Shamar Stewart was seventeen to the Bengals, Jalen
Speaker 1: Walker right right before that, fifteen to Atlanta, and then
Speaker 1: James Pierce. They come back in the Falcons select him
Speaker 1: with their second first round pick, parting with next year's one,
Speaker 1: which is kind of a little bit of a shocker.
Speaker 1: And then the last one I'll give you here, donovin'z
Speaker 1: Araku in the second round to the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 2: What do you like the best.
Speaker 3: Man? As much as I love Pierce as a player,
Speaker 3: I like Asiraku going to the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 4: And the reason why is I just think about the
Speaker 4: defense flues coming back to Dallas, like they can play
Speaker 4: with urgent athletes on the edge. As a rok who
Speaker 4: just man his pace, his tempo, the vast are of
Speaker 4: moves that he has, I would say that he probably
Speaker 4: needs to cut it down so he can kind of
Speaker 4: master what he wants to do at the next level.
Speaker 4: But man, I just can see him and Michael Parsons
Speaker 4: kind of engaging in various games and doing things from
Speaker 4: stand up positions to create all kinds of problems for
Speaker 4: offenses on third downs.
Speaker 1: That's I would was actually going to go in that direction.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to go in a different direction here
Speaker 1: and ask you a question. If I told you next year, like,
Speaker 1: let's look at the first round guys are Abdull Carter,
Speaker 1: mikel Williams, Jalen Walker, Shamar Stewart, James Pierce. Those five guys, right,
Speaker 1: those five first rounders. If I told you that after
Speaker 1: the year, next year, that the second rounders, which is
Speaker 1: he's a rakkup, j T Tumolau, Nick s Gorton all
Speaker 1: the days shoe he goes to the Titans. Mike Green,
Speaker 1: if I told you that's five v five. If I
Speaker 1: told you next year, Buck the season ends and the
Speaker 1: second rounders end up having more sacks than the first rounders,
Speaker 1: what would you say.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised, because I think they're set up
Speaker 4: for success given where they're going. We always talk about
Speaker 4: the importance of fit in where you go. Mike Green
Speaker 4: going to the Baltimore Ravens. Look out, my goodness, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying Like that, that is one that
Speaker 4: I'm sure no one could have. He's going to be there.
Speaker 4: And then you talk about as a Roku and some
Speaker 4: of the other guys in the second round, they're a
Speaker 4: better positioned to kind of feast off teams that are
Speaker 4: having to chase points. Mike Green is going to have
Speaker 4: more opportunities to get up to the pass, and then
Speaker 4: maybe in Abdul card or some of these other guys,
Speaker 4: and so I just think the fit and the opportunities
Speaker 4: are going to be better for the second rounders.
Speaker 1: We talked about the second round being the sweet spot
Speaker 1: for these rushers, and these rushers that I mentioned in
Speaker 1: the second round, almost all of them have big production,
Speaker 1: like they know how to rush, like they're going to
Speaker 1: show up and be ready to rush the pass or
Speaker 1: whereas some of the traitsy guys in the first round
Speaker 1: that might be more for two three years from now.
Speaker 1: So I'd be curious that wouldn't check me in the
Speaker 1: least if that second round group ended up being better
Speaker 1: at least initially.
Speaker 3: It wouldn't.
Speaker 4: And DJ, let's be honest, like so many of the
Speaker 4: pass rushers that emerge and become guys or guys that
Speaker 4: are not taken in the first round. I mean, we've
Speaker 4: just seen pass rush position is just different in terms
Speaker 4: of where guy's spop. It's a lot about where you play,
Speaker 4: what scheme you're playing, and how you deployed.
Speaker 3: Those second round guys are.
Speaker 4: Going to have opportunities to play to their strengths, but
Speaker 4: they're playing on teams that are good that will set
Speaker 4: them up for chances where some of these other teams
Speaker 4: not the same thing. It's a huge weakness and you
Speaker 4: can be counted on to be an every down player
Speaker 4: where some of the second round guys are gonna be
Speaker 4: in a designated pass rushier road, which is so much
Speaker 4: different than being an every down run in.
Speaker 1: Passed off Yep, it'll be fun to watch all these guys, man,
Speaker 1: all right, this is fun. It was great to be
Speaker 1: back together and catch up Buck again. Thanks to everybody
Speaker 1: for hanging with us as we've gone through this entire
Speaker 1: draft process. We've got to have more shows coming your way.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna crawl under a rock for a
Speaker 1: little bit, Buck, take a little take a little break,
Speaker 1: and then we'll be back at it. But I'm excited.
Speaker 1: Now we have teams. Now we can start digging into
Speaker 1: what this is gonna look like next year. We've got
Speaker 1: the schedule release that's right around the corner. The NFL
Speaker 1: never sleeps, man.
Speaker 4: Never sleeps, and that's a great thing. The schedule release
Speaker 4: of the fourteenth. You got O ta's and minigames. You're
Speaker 4: gonna have a month off and then before you know it,
Speaker 4: we're gonna be in July and it's on the pop.
Speaker 1: Appreciate you, guys. We'll see you next time. Right here,
Speaker 1: I move the sticks.