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Speaker 2: It seems that only baseball people were the ones who

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Speaker 2: And we've got plenty to talk about as always, and

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Speaker 2: we're going to start off today talking about the managerial

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Speaker 1: The hottest news right now.

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Speaker 2: Joe spot Up being introduced Monday as the Astros new manager.

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Speaker 1: He is their longtime bench coach.

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Speaker 2: This will be the sixth managerial hiring this offseason, with

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Speaker 2: two to go, the Padres and the Brewers. Let's take

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Speaker 2: a look at what has gone down so far. It's

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Speaker 2: been a big time run on managers. Bob Melvin to

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Speaker 2: the Giants, Craig Counsel to the Cubs, Ron Washington to

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Speaker 2: the Angels, Carlos does It to the Mets, Espada staying

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Speaker 2: with the Astros getting a promotion, and Steven Vote we

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Speaker 1: Now with a Spada.

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Speaker 2: It's an interesting dynamic here, and it's similar to what

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Speaker 2: might take place in San Diego if Ryan Flaherty or

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Speaker 2: Mike Shilt gets the job, and in Milwaukee if Pat

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Speaker 2: And the reason this dynamic is interesting is because Aspata

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Speaker 2: It's the same thing that would happen if Murphy goes

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Speaker 1: The reason why.

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Speaker 2: This is interesting is because when a coach is elevated

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Speaker 2: a different dynamic, Right. If you're a coach, you're dealing

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Speaker 1: Guy he used to know.

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Speaker 2: Right, Hey, wait, wait, wait, we had this relationship this way,

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Speaker 2: and now you're telling me this is doable. It happens

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Speaker 2: all the time coaches get elevated to managers, but it

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Speaker 2: Now with Carlos Mendoza, who is going from Yankees bench

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Speaker 2: Now with Mendoza, it's a different story altogether. He's a

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Speaker 2: that's something to watch going forward. Now, Espada is an

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Speaker 2: interesting guy on many levels. He is interviewed, I believe

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Speaker 2: for it least eight previous jobs, eight didn't get any

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Speaker 1: Game five of the Alcyes. You remember what happened.

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Speaker 2: Brian Abrewo hits Adolies Garcia, Brian Obreo gets ejected, Dusty

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Speaker 1: Was in the interview room. We asked him about that.

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Speaker 2: Joe Spotta will be the third manager hired this offseason

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Speaker 2: from an underrepresented group, the third out of six so far,

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Speaker 2: So that will give major League Baseball eight managers from

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Speaker 2: That's the most since twenty ten. That's a sign of

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Speaker 2: Hire the most qualified person. Well, here's the problem. In

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Speaker 2: Major League Baseball has taken initiatives to encourage clubs to

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Speaker 2: Was this the right thing.

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Speaker 1: For counsel to do? Was it the right thing for

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Speaker 2: How can counsel pursue a job when that job is

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Speaker 2: Many of us have experienced this in our own careers,

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Speaker 1: So once the.

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Speaker 2: your credit counsel, you know, the Cubs want you, and

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Speaker 2: they want you over David Ross.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to apologize for that.

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Speaker 2: I don't see it that way. They wanted him, and

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Speaker 2: they were gonna dismiss David Ross only if they could

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Speaker 1: So that sounds harsh, It is harsh.

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Speaker 1: We saw it with the Cubs.

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Speaker 2: It was a rare moment in time for them and

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Speaker 2: As for David Ross, I reported with the Athletic Sprending

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Speaker 2: This just hit David Ross like a ton of bricks

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Speaker 1: I don't want to speak for him.

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Speaker 2: And the way this went down, I don't believe that

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Speaker 2: it was the most uncomfortable of positions. And I'm not

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Speaker 2: It wasn't a wonderful thing, but it happened, and it

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Speaker 1: That I just explained.

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Speaker 3: life works. Like sometimes people think I can't do stuff,

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Speaker 3: and from a distance, again gross generalization, alarm going on,

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Speaker 3: But from a distance, I think that's how Detroit gets treated.

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Speaker 3: I think quite often Detroit is not known for its

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Speaker 3: passionate face or what it's done for the music industry.

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Speaker 3: I think people reduce Detroit to a couple of statistics,

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Speaker 3: and I don't like seeing people and the whole place

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Speaker 3: get reduced to anything. And I know how much people care,

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Speaker 3: and I know like how much people here want to

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Speaker 3: just matter and be seen for what they are and

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Speaker 3: not some over generalization. So to me as I've thought

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Speaker 3: about this, like that is where we link up, and

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Speaker 3: that is why you know they'll make the decision on me.

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Speaker 3: Like I can't say we're going to be the best

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Speaker 3: of friends right away, because that's super presumptuous of me.

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Speaker 3: But that's where I think Detroit and I really get along.

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Speaker 1: Can you say it any better?

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Speaker 2: That is just beautifully put by Jason and sums up

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Speaker 2: so much. And this is a guy who is a

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Speaker 2: special part of our game period.

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Speaker 1: He is for what he.

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Speaker 2: Is as an announcer and for who he is as

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Speaker 2: a person, which leads us to our dork of the week.

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Speaker 2: Our dork of the week is the Chicago White Sox

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Speaker 2: for letting Jason go or letting him leave. They didn't

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Speaker 2: fire him, but they allowed him to depart. Evidently they

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Speaker 2: didn't value Jason Bennetti the way the Detroit Tigers did.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know exactly what the reason was. It

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Speaker 2: sounds like from what I read some of our people

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Speaker 2: at the athletics some others as well, the White Sox

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Speaker 2: didn't love that Jason was doing national games and cutting

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Speaker 2: into his local schedule.

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Speaker 1: That is a ridiculous reason because.

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Speaker 2: When your play by play man or analyst does national games,

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Speaker 2: he has an even greater platform. He becomes even more prominent,

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Speaker 2: He's a bigger star. You want those guys. You want

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Speaker 2: Jason Bennetti on your team. And the Tigers game is

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Speaker 2: absolutely the White Sox loss. And from the White Sox perspective, yes,

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Speaker 2: they still got Len Casper and they can give him.

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Speaker 1: A greater role than is tremendous as well. But you

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Speaker 1: had Jason Bennetti and Len Casper.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand why you would ever let someone like

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Speaker 2: Jason Bennetti go. Time now for grilling Ken. Let's get

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Speaker 2: to your questions. The first comes from BBE Fans of America.

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Speaker 1: At Double Play four.

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Speaker 2: Two. Question is the Diamondbacks have stated that third base

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Speaker 2: is going to be an area of focus for them,

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Speaker 2: that they want a right handed, impact power bat to

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Speaker 2: add to their lineup. What are the chances they make

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Speaker 2: a run at trading for Noan Arnado this offseason?

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Speaker 1: Good question.

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Speaker 2: I am sure the Diamondbacks would love to make a

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Speaker 2: run at Noan Arnado. The problem with that idea is

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Speaker 2: that the Cardinals are not trading Arnado, and I actually

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Speaker 2: advocated last season for the Cardinals to do just that

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Speaker 2: trade Arnado and gold Schmid, who is entering the last

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Speaker 2: year of his contract. So, Brewers fans, it's not just

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Speaker 2: your team. I sometimes advocate for breaking up. Okay, so

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Speaker 2: I wrote that, but it never really was a serious

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Speaker 2: possibility for the Cardinals. John mose Lock, their president baseball Operations,

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Speaker 2: has said repeatedly that they're keeping those two guys that

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Speaker 2: they're trying to build. They want to add two and

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Speaker 2: a half starting pitchers. It started off as three, it's

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Speaker 2: now two and a half. They're going to be active

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Speaker 2: in free agency and in the trade market trying to

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Speaker 2: keep this team or return this team to prominence.

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Speaker 1: That's their plan. In my view.

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Speaker 2: You trade Arnatto and Goldschmitt, you build around the young court.

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Speaker 2: It's the same idea that the Brewers would be embarking

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Speaker 2: upon if that's the course that they choose this offseason.

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Speaker 2: But the Cardinals are simply not going there. Next question,

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Speaker 2: this one comes from Luis Miguel's Soto ls Soto. He asks,

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Speaker 2: what are the Rangers' chances of resigning Jordan Montgomery. It's

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Speaker 2: going to cost them some money, Yes it will. Jordan

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Speaker 2: Montgomery is going to be a one hundred million dollar

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Speaker 2: plus pitcher in free agency. I don't know that the Rangers, though,

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Speaker 2: are going to be that active on him. They want

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Speaker 2: to fix their bullpen. Josh Hater is a reported target,

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Speaker 2: and their rotation right now is in decent shape. It's

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Speaker 2: a Valdi, it's Max Scherzer, it's John Gray, it's Dane

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Speaker 2: Dunning and Andrew Heaney, and they have some young pitching

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Speaker 2: coming Jack Lighter the former number one pick among them,

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Speaker 2: so I don't know that they view the rotation as

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Speaker 2: particularly urgent. Now, would you like to have Jordan Montgomery

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Speaker 2: with that group? I'm sure you would. And I expect

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Speaker 2: the Rangers are going to be aggressive this offseason. They

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Speaker 2: are going to be emboldened by their World Series triumph.

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Speaker 2: They spent the money for free agents the last two

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Speaker 2: years eight hundred million, and it paid off. So I

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Speaker 2: expect them to be on Otani, on Hater, and yes,

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Speaker 2: perhaps on Montgomery and other starters too, but that is

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Speaker 2: not an area where the need is urgent. The final

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Speaker 2: question comes I hope I'm pronouncing this correctly from Jerry Kelly.

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Speaker 2: Jerry asked, the Mets are saying the right things about

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Speaker 2: Pete Alonso, but will they back it up or is

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Speaker 2: he really trade bait? That is an astute observation. Yes,

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Speaker 2: they are saying the right things. David Stearns, president of

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Speaker 2: base Operations, most recently said, We're fortunate to have him.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to watching him play this season, and I'm.

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Speaker 1: Not going to predict the future.

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Speaker 2: That is the kind of comment gms and presidents of

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Speaker 2: Baseball operations always make until the moment they trade the guy. Now,

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Speaker 2: I'm not suggesting that the Mets are going to trade Alonzo.

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Speaker 1: I don't know the answer.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out.

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Speaker 2: I would expect that the Mets this offseason, early this

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Speaker 2: offseason make a run at extending Alonzo. Scott Boris, Alonzo's agent,

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Speaker 2: said at the GM meetings the Polar Bear Alonzo is

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Speaker 2: not in contract hibernation, indicating that yes, he is open

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Speaker 2: to an offer of an extension. The problem with this

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Speaker 2: is that Boris is not going to be settling for

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Speaker 2: Freddy Freeman six years one sixty two or Paul Goldschmidt

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Speaker 2: five years one thirty. Boris, fifteen years ago sociated a

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Speaker 2: free agent deal from Mark to Schera that exceeded both

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Speaker 2: of those eight years one hundred and eighty million. Now,

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Speaker 2: if you remember Freeman was a free agent, Goldschmidt wasn't.

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Speaker 2: Just to give you the full context, but Boris is thinking,

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Speaker 2: I'm quite certain I got one hundred and eighty million

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Speaker 2: for it to share fifteen years ago. I'm not settling

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Speaker 2: for a lot less for Peter Alnzo, not in aav

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Speaker 2: not in length, not in anything. So that is where

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Speaker 2: it stands. And if the Mets make this offer, and

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Speaker 2: if Boris rejects it, at that point they have a decision.

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Speaker 2: Do they trade him, which I don't expect, or do

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Speaker 2: they take him to free agency the way the Yankees

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Speaker 2: did with Aaron Judge and then take their best shot

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Speaker 2: and if it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen. You let

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Speaker 2: the chips fall where they may.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: Want to thank everyone for their questions, for listening, for watching.

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