WEBVTT - SYSK's 2025 Holiday Extravaganza Christmas Special

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Do Do Do Do Do, Do Do Do, and welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's Chuck and Jerry's

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<v Speaker 2>here too. Somewhere in spirit. She may be haunting somebody

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<v Speaker 2>right now as a ghost of Christmas past. I'm not sure. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And this is our annual Stuff you Should Know Holiday

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<v Speaker 2>special Hunt Chalk.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, I tell you what. It's one of, if

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<v Speaker 1>not our favorite episodes of the year. M h. I

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<v Speaker 1>will say it's getting harder and harder to come up

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<v Speaker 1>with stuff. We're delving further out into the world and

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<v Speaker 1>further back in time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, this is our Anglo American edition, I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's right. European listeners are going to be pretty stoked.

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<v Speaker 1>And also we like to point out this this is

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<v Speaker 1>one of two episodes at the year where we draw

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<v Speaker 1>a line in the sand and say, sales take the

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<v Speaker 1>day off. No ads for this one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because Christmas is commercial enough? Am I right?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Man? Am I going to sell these? No?

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<v Speaker 2>These belong to you guys, the people there are gifts.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. And by the way, if you hear the

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<v Speaker 1>tinkle tinkle of ice. It's because Josh talked me into

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<v Speaker 1>making the drink that we're gonna You know, sometimes we

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<v Speaker 1>have a little Christmas drink that we put out as

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<v Speaker 1>a part of this episode, and we're doing that again

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<v Speaker 1>this year, and so I'm having what we call here

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<v Speaker 1>in the South a nooner.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't have to try very hard. What do you

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<v Speaker 2>want to start with, Chuck? And also hats off to

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<v Speaker 2>Jerry for doing all of the wonderful sound design that

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<v Speaker 2>makes this Christmas episode so special every year.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, as usually we're flying by the seat of

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<v Speaker 1>our pants. What do you say we start with one

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<v Speaker 1>of your picks on the Morabians, who we've talked about

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<v Speaker 1>before on a Christmas episode. I believe I don't remember

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<v Speaker 1>that we definitely did.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes sense because they are definitely sod with Christmas

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<v Speaker 2>in the United States, and I would guess the Czech

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<v Speaker 2>Republic too. At the time the Moravians made the move

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<v Speaker 2>over to North America in the eighteenth century, the Czech

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<v Speaker 2>Republic was still called Bohemia, and the Moravians first settled

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<v Speaker 2>in the Lehigh Valley of Pennsylvania, and they where a

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<v Speaker 2>very devout group still are and that's why Pennsylvania has

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<v Speaker 2>towns named Nazareth in Bethlehem, for example.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, never knew that until yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>So they brought a lot of Christmas traditions with them.

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<v Speaker 2>The Moravian cookies Mevini gingery, molasses heavy flat, yeah, crispy delicious.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, those cookies came from these people. They

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<v Speaker 2>also brought the seeds of miniature Christmas villages that people

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<v Speaker 2>put up around the holidays too.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. If you look back in the Middle Ages

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<v Speaker 1>in Europe, well, there's a bunch of awful things going on.

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<v Speaker 1>But one of the fun things was a trend of

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<v Speaker 1>creating Nativity scenes. They were called, I guess cretches. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know what a Nativity scene is. They're a little

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<v Speaker 1>dioramas of the of the scene of the birth of

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus in a manger. And yeah, the Moravians saw those

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<v Speaker 1>and they were like, hold my molasses cookie, because we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna kick this up a notch. And they kicked it

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<v Speaker 1>up such a notch that the Germans created a term

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<v Speaker 1>basically for that notch of these crutches, these Moravian crutches,

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<v Speaker 1>called a puts. It means to put out or decorate

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<v Speaker 1>and putzing was the act of doing this nothing to

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<v Speaker 1>do with the Yiddish term you're a putts or putsing about?

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<v Speaker 2>No, oh really, I thought putsing probably came from that

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<v Speaker 2>because you're going from house to house, as we'll find out.

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<v Speaker 1>No, because the putts is sort of a fool and

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<v Speaker 1>puttsing about is kind of doing foolish things.

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<v Speaker 2>I see, I heard a putts was something else entirely

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<v Speaker 2>that we would well be able to mention on the episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that not true, that's the original, that's the og meeting. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you are correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So Moravians, like you said, they kind of took

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<v Speaker 2>this medieval tradition to like a whole new level. The

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<v Speaker 2>putts is that they created just started getting bigger and bigger.

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<v Speaker 2>They started out with those Nativity scenes, the crush, but

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<v Speaker 2>they started adding new figures like the shepherd's dog. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>shepherd's dog, from what I understand, doesn't appear in any

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<v Speaker 2>biblical description of the Nativity scene, which was the birth

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<v Speaker 2>of Jesus.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, but you still.

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<v Speaker 2>Want to include the shepherd's dog because you're starting to

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<v Speaker 2>make a better and better diorama. Eventually, there were too

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<v Speaker 2>many characters to fit in the manger. So they started

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<v Speaker 2>hanging out outside the manger.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, They're like, where am I going to put the

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<v Speaker 1>manger repair guy? They had no spot. So they created

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<v Speaker 1>they just expanded the natural scene around the I guess

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<v Speaker 1>the barn. They created fields. Of course, all of a

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<v Speaker 1>sudden you had lakes, you had cliffs, you had rivers,

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<v Speaker 1>you had buildings, you had more buildings, and before you

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<v Speaker 1>know it, a putts or a putz rather it's probably puts.

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<v Speaker 1>It could take up an entire room, like they would

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<v Speaker 1>clear up room and dedicate it to their puts.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And so there's a tradition that kind of grew

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<v Speaker 2>up around this where that room would usually be closed

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<v Speaker 2>off to the kids of the family got to do that,

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<v Speaker 2>and the adults would go in there and puts around

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<v Speaker 2>o their poots. Then on Christmas Eve they would unveil

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<v Speaker 2>the poots, the family poots, to the kids. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure it was just a great a great time for everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. And now I digress very briefly to tell

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<v Speaker 1>you of a little natural diorama I made at my

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<v Speaker 1>camp on a stump, on a big old tree stump

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<v Speaker 1>that I brought up there from a neighbor's front yard.

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<v Speaker 2>I brought your own stump.

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<v Speaker 1>I brought my own stump, which was a whole story

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<v Speaker 1>in itself, which I won't get into. But the stump

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<v Speaker 1>is now located near the fire and I created a

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<v Speaker 1>whole scene there where we display the rocks that we

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<v Speaker 1>paint when we go up there. And then I brought

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<v Speaker 1>it a step forward and I made a whole nature

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<v Speaker 1>scene featuring little plastic animals of all the animals that

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<v Speaker 1>I've caught in the camp cam nice And I mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>this only because while I was doing it, it was

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<v Speaker 1>a weekend with a lot of the kids there. A

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of neighbors and friends went up and families.

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<v Speaker 2>Were they invited?

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<v Speaker 1>They were not. Every time they came over there to

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<v Speaker 1>try and arrange things, very gently said this is mister

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck's project.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So that wasn't so much fun. But it reminded

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<v Speaker 1>me of the Moravians saying, kids get out of here.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. Did you unveil it to the children's delight though

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<v Speaker 2>on Christmas Eve?

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<v Speaker 1>No. I unveiled it later that evening and they said,

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<v Speaker 1>buzz off turkey. I wasn't a part of it.

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<v Speaker 2>So there were people who got so good at it

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<v Speaker 2>that they became known for their puttses or poots's. One.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably the most famous Moravian puts artist I guess yeah

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<v Speaker 2>would be, was named Jenny Train. She was working in

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<v Speaker 2>I guess about the mid twentieth century, and her puttses

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<v Speaker 2>were so great that some of the museums in the

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<v Speaker 2>Lehigh Valley hold them in their collections and display them

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<v Speaker 2>at certain times.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the year. That's right. And the non Marie got

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<v Speaker 1>into it at a certain point, so much so that

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<v Speaker 1>they were like, we don't even need this Nativity scene

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<v Speaker 1>any longer. Let's just create a Christmas village. Sure, you

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<v Speaker 1>can buy these things if you want, but it's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more fun if you sort of collect things piece

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<v Speaker 1>by piece and set up your own. Obviously, electricity came

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<v Speaker 1>along and you could have, you know, Christmas lights. You

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<v Speaker 1>could have little ski lifts that take people up tiny mountains.

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<v Speaker 1>They do that so cute.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure. Apparently lit Max is probably from what

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<v Speaker 2>I could tell the leader in Miniature Christmas Village Manufactory. Yeah, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you want me to tell you some more about them, please,

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<v Speaker 2>So they have different themes. Like you said, you can

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<v Speaker 2>buy these whole kits like wholesale, but they also I think,

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<v Speaker 2>sell each piece individually because if you know so there's

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<v Speaker 2>the Christmas tip. If you know somebody who sets up

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<v Speaker 2>Christmas villages around Christmas, yeah, that is a guaranteed home

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<v Speaker 2>run gift to get them another piece for their collection.

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<v Speaker 2>They will not be mad about.

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<v Speaker 1>It, yeah for sure. But if you choose to buy

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<v Speaker 1>whole kit, you can get you know, themes, you can

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<v Speaker 1>get like a Norman Rockwell thing or like a Victorian

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<v Speaker 1>age thing. That'd be kind of a fun one.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that seems to be that in like Swiss

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<v Speaker 2>village seems to be like a pretty common theme. But

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<v Speaker 2>there's also I've seen one for the fifties. Somebody's really

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<v Speaker 2>heavy in the do op. I guess that would be

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<v Speaker 2>their kind. So there was also Santo's Wonderland, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like where it's at Sanna's actual village. That seems pretty

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<v Speaker 2>good thematically speaking.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's right. And we want to thank listener Robert Paulson,

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<v Speaker 1>who's been listening forever. Yeah, because he always sends in

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas ideas and I believe he sent this one in

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<v Speaker 1>under the guise of trains around the tree and that

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<v Speaker 1>led to this because it seems that the origin of

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<v Speaker 1>the trains around the tree came from this tradition of

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<v Speaker 1>creating these villages. They eventually added trains, and once Lionel

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<v Speaker 1>came along with their electric train sets, sometimes the village

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<v Speaker 1>went away and it just became a train around the tree.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And then people who had those trains around their

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<v Speaker 2>trees grew up, they got nostalgic for them, they started

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<v Speaker 2>setting them up for their kids, and it became a

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<v Speaker 2>Christmas tradition thanks to our Moravian friends.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, and that is the story of the Moravian

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<v Speaker 1>tiny villages And scene, what do you want to do next?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you want to tell everybody about your drink so

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<v Speaker 2>they can possibly press paws and make one and then

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<v Speaker 2>come back for the rest of it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Why not? Okay? This year, the drink that we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about is Chuck's special Pumpkin Spice Old Fashion.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been drinking these lately because when fall rolls around

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<v Speaker 1>here in Georgia, that's when the whiskey and the bourbon

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<v Speaker 1>kind of becomes a little more to my taste, definitely,

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<v Speaker 1>And this year I heard about a pumpkin spice Old Fashion,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought you know what, I've never made my

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<v Speaker 1>own syrups and stuff, so I'm going to make my

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<v Speaker 1>own pumpkin spice syrup from scratch. And I did, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's great.

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<v Speaker 2>I have some questions about your recipe. I may have

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<v Speaker 2>some suggestions. I'm not surprised, and you tell me, you

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<v Speaker 2>tell me if you think that they would be incorporaable.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh okay, I mean you can. You can do it,

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<v Speaker 1>what however you want to?

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<v Speaker 2>So all right, well listen, so you start with five

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<v Speaker 2>cups of water, right?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah. I mean I'm not an exact guy when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to recipes, so I had a really hard

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<v Speaker 1>time coming with measurements because I'm just I fly by

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<v Speaker 1>the seat of my pants when it comes to cooking

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<v Speaker 1>and things.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, so you got that. You've got one and

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<v Speaker 2>a half cups like brown sugar, another half a cup turbinato,

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<v Speaker 2>which is like the granular minimally processed sugar.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it's sort of like the pre brown sugars.

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<v Speaker 1>It's got that same molasses flavor.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and then do you like your syrup very sweet?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh? Yeah, I mean in this case, you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I actually don't think I measured the water. What I

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<v Speaker 1>think I did was I got an old bourbon bottle

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<v Speaker 1>and clean that out really good and filled that up

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<v Speaker 1>because I wanted it to fill that bottle. So I

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<v Speaker 1>guess it's what is that bottle like? Like, is that

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<v Speaker 1>a lead seven fifty? Yeah? I got a seven to

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<v Speaker 1>fifty so whatever that equates two cup.

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<v Speaker 2>Wise, although I guess it could be a leader.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, no, the leader is the big guy, right, yeah, No,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the seven to fifty. So, however much water

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<v Speaker 1>that is, so you.

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<v Speaker 2>Can depending on how sweet you want your syrup to be,

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<v Speaker 2>you can make it a two to one ratio two

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<v Speaker 2>cups of water to one cup of sugar, or a

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<v Speaker 2>one to one ratio if you really like a sweet

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<v Speaker 2>one cup of sugar to one cup of water, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you expand it from there, depending on how much

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<v Speaker 2>you've got in your whisky bottle.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, that sounds about right.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you've got to make your spice mix though yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck here is showing off everybody, and his recipe says

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<v Speaker 2>it's best if you grind and powder your own.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, what do you have, well, classic pumpkin spice. It

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<v Speaker 1>can vary depending on who you are, but I did

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<v Speaker 1>about a tablespoon of cinnamon, about a half a tablespoon

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<v Speaker 1>of nutmeg, and then you've got to go a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit lighter, maybe a teaspoon or two of ginger, about

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<v Speaker 1>a teaspoon of allspice, and about a half a teaspoon

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<v Speaker 1>of clove, because clove is you know, pretty it can overpaw. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but again it depends on how you like your pumpkin spice.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, you mix those all up, you throw

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<v Speaker 1>it all, you know, you boil that water and then

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<v Speaker 1>throw in the sugar in that pumpkin spice mix, and

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<v Speaker 1>you just stir it until you get to the consistency

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<v Speaker 1>that you like, which, you know, the longer you boil,

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of thicker it's going to get.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the clearer it'll get the more you boil,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, right, it'll eventually just go whoop and turn clear.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, this is a very dark brown syrup.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, so sorry, not clear, I mean translucent, but still

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<v Speaker 2>dark brown.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know what translucent means.

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<v Speaker 2>Then it means like it goes from cloudy to where

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<v Speaker 2>you could see through it even though you're seeing through

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<v Speaker 2>like brown.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you could see through the stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well then this is some thick syrup.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it looks sort of like a coke

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<v Speaker 1>and a bottle.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, great, So I do have one one thing to add, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>if you so, if you take cinnamon, it does not

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<v Speaker 2>like water. It's hydro haiti. I can't remember which which

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<v Speaker 2>what it's called, but it does not like to mix.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you ever have trouble mixing it in with the

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<v Speaker 2>boiling water?

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<v Speaker 1>Nope, mixed up, just fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. Well, I've found that if you mix something like

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<v Speaker 2>cinnamon and I would guess all of the spices with

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<v Speaker 2>sugar ahead of time, it binds to the sugar and

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<v Speaker 2>it allows it to dissolve more easily.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, good tip.

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<v Speaker 2>That was my only other tip.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. That sounds pretty good. The other thing

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<v Speaker 1>I did was Emily dehydrates of fruits as bar garnishes.

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<v Speaker 1>So she had a big mess of orange peel that

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<v Speaker 1>she had dehydrated. So I kind of chopped those up

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<v Speaker 1>and threw that in the bottle as well, because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>an old fashion has those orange notes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you want to make the old fashion, and

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<v Speaker 1>I have to say, you can put this in your coffee.

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<v Speaker 1>You can drizzle it on a cheesecake. It's just a

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<v Speaker 1>pumpkin spice sweet syrup, so you can. Really it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have to be an alcoholic drink, but you're gonna make

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<v Speaker 1>the old fashion. I do two ounces of bourbon. You

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<v Speaker 1>can use rye if you want a little shake of

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<v Speaker 1>that angle store bitters. I do a little shake of

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<v Speaker 1>orange bitters on top. Then I love this elguappo chickory

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<v Speaker 1>pecan or pecan bitters.

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<v Speaker 2>They're local, right, I don't know if.

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<v Speaker 1>They are not, but you know, if you can find

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<v Speaker 1>a chickory pecan or any kind of like walnut or

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<v Speaker 1>pecan bitters, I think it really adds a nice touch.

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<v Speaker 2>It does sound very nice. And then of course the

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<v Speaker 2>coup de gras, the death blow, which is the pumpkin

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<v Speaker 2>spice syrup.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it spends on how sweet you like

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<v Speaker 1>these things. You can just put just a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't like it too sweet, and you're still

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<v Speaker 1>going to get that flavor. And you know, all of

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff. You can make it less boozy if you

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<v Speaker 1>want the one I made for today, since it's a noon,

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<v Speaker 1>or I just made a little happy so I just

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<v Speaker 1>did one ounce of bourbon.

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<v Speaker 2>Very smart. So you take that, you make sure everything

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<v Speaker 2>is at room temperature. You put it in a glass,

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<v Speaker 2>and you drink it and sayoh.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, no, no, what I do? I mean

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<v Speaker 1>you can just put it straight over ice and mix

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<v Speaker 1>it with a spoon or something. But if you really

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<v Speaker 1>want to do it right, put that stuff in a cocktail,

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<v Speaker 1>shake with ice, shake it really really good, and then

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<v Speaker 1>get a nice heavyweight cocktail glass out of at a

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<v Speaker 1>cocktail cherry to the bottom of that thing. Pour it

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<v Speaker 1>over a giant square ice cube or a giant round

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<v Speaker 1>ice cube if you want to really be fancy. And

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<v Speaker 1>then here's the key. As you know, Josh, you got

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<v Speaker 1>to get that orange peel right.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, you want a nice wide swath of orange peel,

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<v Speaker 2>no pith, no white on the bottom, or as minimal

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<v Speaker 2>as possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And you twist it.

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<v Speaker 2>You twist it over the top of the drink, and

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<v Speaker 2>if you look closely, you can see a spray come out.

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<v Speaker 2>And then all of a sudden there's a little oil

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<v Speaker 2>slick on top of the drink, and you, friend, have

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<v Speaker 2>just expressed the essential oils from that orange into your

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<v Speaker 2>old fashion.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, And just a quick psa for all the

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<v Speaker 1>bartenders out there. When you make a martini or anything

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<v Speaker 1>with like a lemon or orange, make it a big

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<v Speaker 1>wide you know, they have those the little peelers that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like a cocktail peeler. You can get the

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<v Speaker 1>kind that does the little tiny pigtail curly cue. Those

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<v Speaker 1>are annoying. They curl them up, they hang it on

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<v Speaker 1>the outside the glass. But the whole point of that

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<v Speaker 1>peel is to get that essential oil, and you can't

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<v Speaker 1>do that with those little little skinny things. So bartenders,

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<v Speaker 1>for the love of Pete, give the customer a big

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<v Speaker 1>wide peel so they can express that thing themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Our listeners named Pete just said, yeah, that's right. What's

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<v Speaker 2>the last little bit? If you really want to show

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<v Speaker 2>off though, chuck.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, if you want to, if you have a zester

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<v Speaker 1>like little Greater, get a cinnamon stick and just just

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<v Speaker 1>grate a little fresh cinnamon.

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<v Speaker 2>On top, just a little bit, just a touch. That's right,

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<v Speaker 2>and people will be like, this is the best Christmas

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<v Speaker 2>I've ever had.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Or you can stick that cinnamon stick right in

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<v Speaker 1>the drink if you really want to get crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>One other thing that we should probably say though off

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<v Speaker 2>the bat is when you make the syrup, you want

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<v Speaker 2>to make it ahead because it needs to cool and

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<v Speaker 2>go in the fridge.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, yeah, keep that thing in the fridge. And

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, I use an old liquor bottle because

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<v Speaker 1>it has a cork on top, or if you have

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<v Speaker 1>those fancy bottles with the little clasp on top with

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<v Speaker 1>the cork, like, that's great. When I went to my

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<v Speaker 1>brother's Thanksgiving this year, I got one of Emily's little tiny, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, four or five ounce bottles and poured some

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<v Speaker 1>in there and brought it along. It's a nice, nice

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<v Speaker 1>thing to give us a gift.

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<v Speaker 2>That is classy, buddy, thank you. Okay, well, I guess

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<v Speaker 2>we should probably let everybody pause, go make the pumpkin

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<v Speaker 2>spice syrup, wait a couple of days, and then come

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<v Speaker 2>back and we'll start the next segment. How about that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you want to do next? Chuck?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean let's go back to one of yours.

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<v Speaker 1>Should we do the Frozen Fair?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're gonna go back in time, way back.

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<v Speaker 1>Frozen Fair, the Fryar's Fair, the frost Fairs. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>get it once, did I?

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<v Speaker 2>Featuring the Fryars.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're talking about a series of basically impromptu winter

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<v Speaker 2>festivals that happened to London over the course of a

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<v Speaker 2>few hundred years and had tipped to the BBC London Museum,

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<v Speaker 2>History Jar, Honest History and the podcast Tales of History

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<v Speaker 2>and Imagination. And what we're talking about is they're called

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<v Speaker 2>the Frost Fairs. And we should give you a little

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<v Speaker 2>background first because the bridge that's now London Bridge was

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<v Speaker 2>built in the sixties. The bridge before that was built

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<v Speaker 2>in eighteen thirty one, and that eighteen thirty one bridge

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<v Speaker 2>was disassembled and reassembled in Lake Havasoo, Arizona, which is

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<v Speaker 2>where it stands today. And that little gift from London

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<v Speaker 2>to Lake Havasou gave rise to a really great nineteen

0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:48.640
<v Speaker 2>eighty five TV movie starring David Hasselhoff, Glate Terror at

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<v Speaker 2>London Bridge. Definitely worth watching. But the problem is the

0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:57.200
<v Speaker 2>eighteen thirty one bridge and the nineteen sixties bridge put

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<v Speaker 2>an end to this impromptu winter tradition in London forever.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. That new London Bridge has five arches. The

0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:09.720
<v Speaker 1>one previous to that from eighteen thirty one had nineteen arches,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were closer together, they were pretty narrow and

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<v Speaker 1>water didn't float through those things very well. And it

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<v Speaker 1>was also a time when the Thames was shallower. And

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<v Speaker 1>was it narrower or wider?

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<v Speaker 2>Wider?

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<v Speaker 1>Wider and shallower, Yeah, wider and shallower. So all of

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<v Speaker 1>this sort of added up to because of a strange

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<v Speaker 1>weather phenomenon that Josh is going to describe, a time

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<v Speaker 1>when the Thames would actually freeze over.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the Little Ice Age was going on too, from

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<v Speaker 2>the mid thirteen hundreds to the mid eighteen hundreds. This

0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:45.800
<v Speaker 2>period about five hundred years, there was some really weird

0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:51.720
<v Speaker 2>extra cold weather. Global temperatures dropped, and that means, ultimately

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<v Speaker 2>for our purposes with this story, that winters in London

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<v Speaker 2>were way colder during that five hundred year period than

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<v Speaker 2>they are today. So you put that toge the design

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<v Speaker 2>of the bridge with way more narrow arches, the Little

0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:07.879
<v Speaker 2>ice Age and the wider, shallower Thames. That meant that

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<v Speaker 2>the Thames could freeze over sometimes like it can't today.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, And that happened in fifteen sixty four when

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<v Speaker 1>it froze over and people in London were like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>that's pretty cool. Let's go out and get drunk and

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<v Speaker 1>walk around and play on that thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, apparently even Queen Elizabeth I was like, that looked fun,

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<v Speaker 2>let's go.

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<v Speaker 1>She packed up for Corgi's and slipped around on the

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<v Speaker 1>ice for a little while. It froze again in sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>oh seven eight, and this time they were like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>BlimE me, this thing's frozen again. Let's get drunk and

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<v Speaker 1>sell some things. That was Australian. Oh man.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing is is like a lot of people bade

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<v Speaker 2>their money by shipping and moving stuff up and down

0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:54.000
<v Speaker 2>the Thames. They suddenly couldn't so some of those people

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<v Speaker 2>just set up stalls to try to make up whatever

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<v Speaker 2>they could. That was the first time anyone used the

0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:01.320
<v Speaker 2>term frost fair for these things.

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<v Speaker 1>Or frozen fryar or whatever the heck, righty.

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<v Speaker 2>A frozen fryar frost fair. It wasn't until though, I

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<v Speaker 2>think sixteen eighty three eighty four, that it really became

0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:12.400
<v Speaker 2>like a full blown thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Though. Yeah, I mean that was a couple of months

0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:18.080
<v Speaker 1>of frozen Thames, and this time it was like a

0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:21.960
<v Speaker 1>real like a Christmas market. Basically everybody is selling their wares.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you said, people that normally sold stuff on the

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<v Speaker 1>side of the river were all set up down there.

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<v Speaker 1>They had so many rows of booths that they formed

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<v Speaker 1>a literal avenue down the middle of the Thames. And

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<v Speaker 1>you could do everything. You could have a sit down

0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:41.600
<v Speaker 1>restaurant meal under a huge tint made of boat sails

0:21:41.640 --> 0:21:43.479
<v Speaker 1>that are propped up by rowing oars.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it was apparently quite a party because there

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<v Speaker 2>was a writer of the time, John Evelyn. He wrote

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<v Speaker 2>that that Frost Fair was a bacchanalien triumph, a carnival

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<v Speaker 2>on the water. Yeah, that's saying quite a bit. This

0:21:56.520 --> 0:21:59.000
<v Speaker 2>is again, this is like people aren't like, Okay, the

0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:01.640
<v Speaker 2>sixteen eighty three f Frost Fairs coming up, we better

0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:05.760
<v Speaker 2>start planning. These were all generally impropt too. That was

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<v Speaker 2>pretty cool that sixteen eighty three one lasted two months.

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<v Speaker 2>And Tales of History and Imagination, the podcast I thanked earlier,

0:22:14.240 --> 0:22:17.520
<v Speaker 2>they turned up a fact that some guy bet some

0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:21.080
<v Speaker 2>other guy that he could build a three story house,

0:22:21.440 --> 0:22:24.080
<v Speaker 2>spend a night in it, and take it down before

0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:28.639
<v Speaker 2>the Thames thawed. And it's a great story even despite

0:22:28.640 --> 0:22:30.680
<v Speaker 2>the fact that neither we nor Tales of History and

0:22:30.720 --> 0:22:32.760
<v Speaker 2>Imagination could find out the outcome.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the bet. That sounds like a good show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah it is. There's a lot of great episodes that

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<v Speaker 2>I saw when I was looking for that. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>sure how I stumbled across it. I guess I just

0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:44.040
<v Speaker 2>came across some of their Christmas content.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. I'm gonna check it out so big

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<v Speaker 1>thanks to them. There were a couple of more frost Fairs,

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<v Speaker 1>not Friars, in seventeen sixteen and again in seventeen thirty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>so there. I mean, I don't know if anyone's doing

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<v Speaker 1>the math. There are large, large gaps between all this stuff, right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like, you know, they went on the internet

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<v Speaker 1>and were like, hey, the last time they did all this,

0:23:04.240 --> 0:23:08.400
<v Speaker 1>so people are you know, I guess word gets passed down,

0:23:08.760 --> 0:23:10.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, like, hey, here's this is a thing to

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<v Speaker 1>do when the times freezes. But sadly, the last Frost

0:23:15.720 --> 0:23:17.640
<v Speaker 1>Fair was in eighteen fourteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know that somebody at the seventeen sixteen

0:23:21.240 --> 0:23:23.560
<v Speaker 2>Frost Fair was like, this Frost Fair sucks. Yesterre to

0:23:23.640 --> 0:23:26.679
<v Speaker 2>eighty four sold out eighty four rocked Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah. The last one was eighteen fourteen, and the

0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:33.480
<v Speaker 2>BBC talked about it in one of their articles, and

0:23:33.480 --> 0:23:37.360
<v Speaker 2>they interviewed a food history named Ivan Day, and he

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<v Speaker 2>said that the eighteen fourteen Frost Fair was basically food

0:23:41.480 --> 0:23:44.240
<v Speaker 2>and drink and people getting wasted. He said that there

0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:48.520
<v Speaker 2>was this one drink called a pearl it was it

0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:52.480
<v Speaker 2>was wormwood wine. It's kind of like vermouth gin together,

0:23:52.680 --> 0:23:55.680
<v Speaker 2>so it was hot. It was like a hot, super

0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:59.679
<v Speaker 2>potent martini. Then he said, quote, you'd get absolutely wrecked

0:23:59.720 --> 0:24:02.439
<v Speaker 2>on it. There was a spiky beer that has a

0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:04.639
<v Speaker 2>lot of spices in it called mum, which is what

0:24:04.680 --> 0:24:07.119
<v Speaker 2>you'd probably call it a winter ale today. Yeah, I

0:24:07.119 --> 0:24:09.160
<v Speaker 2>love that, And then of course this regular gin. There

0:24:09.200 --> 0:24:12.080
<v Speaker 2>was also other stuff too. There's tea, coffee, hot chocolate,

0:24:13.040 --> 0:24:15.919
<v Speaker 2>and there was plenty of food to eat, particularly the

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<v Speaker 2>roast ox. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, Yeah, I don't even like saying those words together.

0:24:21.840 --> 0:24:26.280
<v Speaker 1>But this Iban Day, this food historian, he replicates cooking

0:24:26.320 --> 0:24:29.240
<v Speaker 1>techniques from back then, and for this roast ox, he

0:24:29.240 --> 0:24:31.600
<v Speaker 1>said it would take basically a day over twenty four

0:24:31.640 --> 0:24:33.679
<v Speaker 1>hours to roast this thing in front of a fire.

0:24:34.520 --> 0:24:37.680
<v Speaker 1>And Buddy, I don't know if these numbers are right,

0:24:37.760 --> 0:24:40.720
<v Speaker 1>but he said that that ox could feed eight hundred people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, and he's a food historian, so he would

0:24:44.960 --> 0:24:45.480
<v Speaker 2>probably know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess you're just getting like an ox

0:24:48.800 --> 0:24:52.720
<v Speaker 1>a moose boushe. It's not a plate full of ox

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<v Speaker 1>for eight hundred, There's no way.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I mean maybe their oxes were way

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<v Speaker 2>bigger during the little ice Age.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's oxen, my friend.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thank you for correcting me on that one.

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<v Speaker 1>What else would they serve mutton?

0:25:04.880 --> 0:25:08.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Sure, which is kind of like it's almost like

0:25:08.280 --> 0:25:09.760
<v Speaker 2>a sheep like meat.

0:25:10.680 --> 0:25:13.120
<v Speaker 1>I think it is sheep. Isn't it like a grown sheep?

0:25:13.520 --> 0:25:14.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:25:14.200 --> 0:25:14.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:16.679
<v Speaker 2>And you don't want that. Nobody wants mutton.

0:25:16.720 --> 0:25:19.520
<v Speaker 1>Really, I don't want mutton. So Jerry Seinfeld certainly doesn't

0:25:19.520 --> 0:25:20.040
<v Speaker 1>want mutton.

0:25:20.440 --> 0:25:21.960
<v Speaker 2>So what does that one me?

0:25:22.280 --> 0:25:25.720
<v Speaker 1>That was from Seinfeld? Remember he had a girlfriend that

0:25:26.880 --> 0:25:29.439
<v Speaker 1>he was spitting out food and putting it in his jacket,

0:25:29.440 --> 0:25:32.440
<v Speaker 1>and she was serving mutton vaguely. He would wrap it

0:25:32.480 --> 0:25:34.480
<v Speaker 1>in his napkin and stuff in his pocket, and eventually

0:25:34.480 --> 0:25:38.280
<v Speaker 1>Elaine borrowed his coat and got it backed by a dog.

0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:43.720
<v Speaker 2>Man. That was a great show, sure was. So. The

0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:46.240
<v Speaker 2>reason why the eighteen fourteen one was the last one

0:25:46.280 --> 0:25:49.760
<v Speaker 2>is because, like you said, the newer better. I guess

0:25:49.880 --> 0:25:53.520
<v Speaker 2>versions of the London Bridge have wider spans, so the

0:25:53.560 --> 0:25:57.200
<v Speaker 2>water camp back up behind the little narrow arches and freeze.

0:25:57.640 --> 0:26:01.560
<v Speaker 2>It just isn't gonna happen, everybody. Frost Fair was eighteen fourteen,

0:26:01.600 --> 0:26:04.600
<v Speaker 2>but parts of the Thames can freeze from time to time,

0:26:04.840 --> 0:26:08.120
<v Speaker 2>and the BBC turned up one from nineteen sixty two.

0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:11.479
<v Speaker 2>The winner in that year was called the Big Freeze

0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:15.040
<v Speaker 2>in London, and someone spotted a man riding a bicycle

0:26:15.119 --> 0:26:18.640
<v Speaker 2>on the Thames probably thinking to himself, you know what,

0:26:18.800 --> 0:26:21.240
<v Speaker 2>the Frozen Friar Fair would be great right now?

0:26:21.520 --> 0:26:24.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I hope it was a penny farthing. Yeah, for sure,

0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:28.399
<v Speaker 1>that'd be fantastic, very nice. All right, So that's the

0:26:28.400 --> 0:26:32.359
<v Speaker 1>Frozen frost Fire Fair. Where are we going next? My friend?

0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:34.520
<v Speaker 1>As we as we load up the sleigh and prepare

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<v Speaker 1>to take off.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I feel like I don't know. What

0:26:40.640 --> 0:26:42.000
<v Speaker 2>do you want to do? You pick one?

0:26:42.640 --> 0:26:58.360
<v Speaker 1>Let's do our tribute to Vince GERALDI okay, I came

0:26:58.440 --> 0:27:00.479
<v Speaker 1>up with this one, I know. In one episodisode we

0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:05.200
<v Speaker 1>certainly talked about the Charlie Brown Christmas Special and kind

0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:07.200
<v Speaker 1>of dabbled in this, but I wanted to just sort

0:27:07.240 --> 0:27:11.480
<v Speaker 1>of do a little tribute to the man himself, because boy,

0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:14.480
<v Speaker 1>oh boy, for my money, there's no better Christmas music

0:27:14.600 --> 0:27:18.000
<v Speaker 1>than the Charlie Brown Christmas Special vince Garaldi Jazz Trio.

0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:22.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm protective of that. I keep it at bay because

0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:24.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't ever want to get sick of it.

0:27:24.720 --> 0:27:27.440
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I don't get sick of it, but I do

0:27:27.480 --> 0:27:30.159
<v Speaker 1>appreciate that because we both certainly cherish it.

0:27:30.560 --> 0:27:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Like I can't even listen to Journey anymore because I've

0:27:32.960 --> 0:27:35.760
<v Speaker 2>heard their songs too many times. I don't want the

0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:38.440
<v Speaker 2>Charlie Brown Christmas to become the new Journey.

0:27:38.800 --> 0:27:39.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, who wants that?

0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:44.680
<v Speaker 2>Right? So let's talk about vince Garaldi, though, because if

0:27:44.720 --> 0:27:48.600
<v Speaker 2>you know of him from the Charlie Brown Christmas soundtrack,

0:27:49.040 --> 0:27:52.240
<v Speaker 2>you essentially are familiar with the vast majority of vince

0:27:52.280 --> 0:27:53.080
<v Speaker 2>Garaldi's work.

0:27:53.560 --> 0:27:56.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and big thanks to The New Yorker, specifically an

0:27:56.720 --> 0:28:01.600
<v Speaker 1>article from Ethan Iverson I think from twenty Seventeenish Piano

0:28:01.640 --> 0:28:06.000
<v Speaker 1>with Johnny dot com that's jo nn why and Unconservatory

0:28:06.040 --> 0:28:08.600
<v Speaker 1>dot org, who all had little bits and pieces about

0:28:08.600 --> 0:28:13.960
<v Speaker 1>the great vince Garaldi, who was born Vincent Anthony Dalaglio

0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:15.919
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen twenty eight and San Francisco.

0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:21.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, his mom Carmela Divarce's biological father, Vincenzo Delaggio, and

0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:26.280
<v Speaker 2>married a guy named Tony Garaldi. Tony Garaldi adopted him,

0:28:26.520 --> 0:28:28.800
<v Speaker 2>and as a head tip and a thank you to Tony,

0:28:28.880 --> 0:28:31.520
<v Speaker 2>Vince said, let's change my last name, shall we? Guys?

0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:33.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, is there ever a more Italian name

0:28:34.080 --> 0:28:35.840
<v Speaker 1>than Vincenzo de Laggio.

0:28:36.240 --> 0:28:37.600
<v Speaker 2>No, there really isn't.

0:28:37.720 --> 0:28:39.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe Tony soprano.

0:28:40.080 --> 0:28:44.600
<v Speaker 2>So he he ended up. He actually wasn't very musically inclined.

0:28:44.600 --> 0:28:46.360
<v Speaker 2>I think he took some piano lessons, but it never

0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:48.280
<v Speaker 2>really got under his skin. When he was a kid,

0:28:48.720 --> 0:28:51.840
<v Speaker 2>his uncle's introduced him to jazz, and he was like eh,

0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:54.840
<v Speaker 2>And he didn't really start playing until he went to

0:28:54.880 --> 0:28:56.840
<v Speaker 2>San Francisco State University for.

0:28:56.800 --> 0:28:57.480
<v Speaker 1>A little while.

0:28:57.840 --> 0:29:00.360
<v Speaker 2>And then there was an interlude between that and them

0:29:00.360 --> 0:29:03.240
<v Speaker 2>really getting going playing the Korean War, where he served

0:29:03.240 --> 0:29:04.400
<v Speaker 2>as a cook in the army.

0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:08.760
<v Speaker 1>That's right, he went to the war. He came back and,

0:29:08.840 --> 0:29:11.680
<v Speaker 1>like you said, sort of started playing around a little jazz.

0:29:11.720 --> 0:29:14.720
<v Speaker 1>Clearly a talented guy, and he started going to these

0:29:14.800 --> 0:29:18.480
<v Speaker 1>jazz clubs in San Francisco, started playing wherever he could

0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:21.120
<v Speaker 1>little sort of I guess, not open mic, but open

0:29:21.240 --> 0:29:24.320
<v Speaker 1>key nights or whatever you would call those, and eventually

0:29:24.320 --> 0:29:28.320
<v Speaker 1>he got his first real gig, playing the intermissions during

0:29:28.480 --> 0:29:30.720
<v Speaker 1>Art Tatum shows at a club called the Blackhawk.

0:29:31.120 --> 0:29:33.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Art Tatum, he was actually from Toledo. He was

0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:37.480
<v Speaker 2>a self taught piano virtuo so who was nearly blind.

0:29:37.600 --> 0:29:40.680
<v Speaker 2>He's great, and he was so his talent was so

0:29:40.720 --> 0:29:44.240
<v Speaker 2>intimidating that vince Garaldi later said working with him was

0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:47.760
<v Speaker 2>more than scary. I came close to giving up the instrument,

0:29:47.840 --> 0:29:50.360
<v Speaker 2>and I wouldn't have been the first after working around Tatum.

0:29:50.600 --> 0:29:52.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, pretty intimidating.

0:29:52.520 --> 0:29:56.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so he did not give up the instrument. Fortunately,

0:29:56.280 --> 0:29:58.920
<v Speaker 2>he went on to play with the likes of Cal Jader,

0:29:59.760 --> 0:30:03.480
<v Speaker 2>who who he was a vibraphone player who was into

0:30:03.560 --> 0:30:04.920
<v Speaker 2>Latin inflected jazz.

0:30:05.320 --> 0:30:07.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's awesome, by the way, if you're into that

0:30:07.680 --> 0:30:11.160
<v Speaker 1>sort of Latin jazz thing. He's probably the most famous

0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:14.040
<v Speaker 1>non Latin Latin jazz guy. And the vibraphone is just

0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:16.920
<v Speaker 1>it's it's well, it's a vibe, it really is.

0:30:17.200 --> 0:30:19.840
<v Speaker 2>I love a good vibraphone. Jazz trio.

0:30:20.120 --> 0:30:20.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, same.

0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:24.000
<v Speaker 2>He formed his own trio I think in nineteen fifty

0:30:24.000 --> 0:30:26.720
<v Speaker 2>five with a couple of friends, Eddie Durant and Dean Riley.

0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:30.240
<v Speaker 2>Now was that the all time vince Garaldi trio.

0:30:32.360 --> 0:30:34.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, because they're not the guys who played

0:30:34.360 --> 0:30:37.240
<v Speaker 1>on the Charlie Brown. So then I think there were

0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:39.920
<v Speaker 1>iterations of the vince Garaldi trio over the years.

0:30:40.120 --> 0:30:43.280
<v Speaker 2>Gotcha, So as he's starting to kind of pick up

0:30:43.480 --> 0:30:46.680
<v Speaker 2>steam in the fifties, he played the Hungry Eye in

0:30:46.720 --> 0:30:50.280
<v Speaker 2>San Francisco, He played with the big band leader Woody Herman,

0:30:50.760 --> 0:30:53.600
<v Speaker 2>got back together with Carl Jader for a little while,

0:30:53.840 --> 0:30:57.240
<v Speaker 2>and he was basically the leader of several different jazz groups.

0:30:57.680 --> 0:31:00.520
<v Speaker 2>The thing is, he would probably be in name among

0:31:00.640 --> 0:31:05.239
<v Speaker 2>jazz cats and hepcats in San Francisco still today, but

0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:07.680
<v Speaker 2>it would probably be about the extent of his career

0:31:08.000 --> 0:31:11.640
<v Speaker 2>had he not created this one particular song called cast

0:31:11.680 --> 0:31:14.160
<v Speaker 2>Your Fate to the Wind. It's the other song that

0:31:14.200 --> 0:31:17.560
<v Speaker 2>he's known for, just a little threeish minute jazz song

0:31:17.600 --> 0:31:21.200
<v Speaker 2>from nineteen sixty two that he buried at the end

0:31:21.240 --> 0:31:23.520
<v Speaker 2>of a very odd album that he came up with.

0:31:24.000 --> 0:31:26.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there was a movie in nineteen fifty nine a

0:31:26.640 --> 0:31:30.320
<v Speaker 1>French film called Black Orpheus, and what he did was

0:31:30.480 --> 0:31:34.440
<v Speaker 1>offer some sort of jazz arrangements of Brazilian music from

0:31:34.440 --> 0:31:37.000
<v Speaker 1>that movie, and it was called Jazz Impressions of Black Orpheus.

0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:39.320
<v Speaker 1>And like you said, he stuck cast your Fate to

0:31:39.320 --> 0:31:41.880
<v Speaker 1>the Wind here at the end it is I'm sure

0:31:41.880 --> 0:31:45.880
<v Speaker 1>you know the song right. It is an amazing jazz

0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:49.400
<v Speaker 1>tune and the bones of everything you know about that

0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Charlie Brown Christmas Special music is in cast your Fate

0:31:53.080 --> 0:31:56.080
<v Speaker 1>to the Wind. It's just this. I mean, I think

0:31:56.560 --> 0:31:58.760
<v Speaker 1>who was it that called it a breadth of fresh air?

0:31:58.960 --> 0:32:01.720
<v Speaker 1>I think that was the ultimate producer of the Charlie

0:32:01.720 --> 0:32:03.440
<v Speaker 1>Brown Christmas Special, Lee Mendelssohn.

0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so this is where fate really steps in because

0:32:07.000 --> 0:32:10.040
<v Speaker 2>there was a San Francisco jazz show hosted by al

0:32:10.160 --> 0:32:15.040
<v Speaker 2>Jasbo collins Man, what a great nickname. And on this

0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:19.040
<v Speaker 2>show on KSFO, he would play vince Garaldi's stuff because

0:32:19.080 --> 0:32:21.680
<v Speaker 2>by this time, the early sixties, vince Garaldi was pretty

0:32:21.680 --> 0:32:25.080
<v Speaker 2>well known around San Francisco. And Lee Mendelssohn, who was

0:32:25.080 --> 0:32:29.480
<v Speaker 2>starting a documentary project on Charles Schultz that would ultimately

0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:32.480
<v Speaker 2>be called a boy named Charlie Brown, and he was

0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:34.880
<v Speaker 2>looking for somebody to compose the music for it, and

0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:37.520
<v Speaker 2>he heard cast Your Fate to the Wind and was like,

0:32:38.000 --> 0:32:38.760
<v Speaker 2>I think this.

0:32:38.720 --> 0:32:42.920
<v Speaker 1>Might be it. Yeah, that was it. He said, hey man,

0:32:43.000 --> 0:32:46.520
<v Speaker 1>you want to compose some music for this documentary? He said,

0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:48.960
<v Speaker 1>because they were both Bay Area guys, and he said, sure,

0:32:49.000 --> 0:32:52.160
<v Speaker 1>I'll do it. And he created an entire original piece

0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:54.680
<v Speaker 1>called Lenis and Lucy. That was the theme. And that

0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:57.560
<v Speaker 1>is the you know, the very famous sort of Charlie

0:32:57.600 --> 0:32:59.360
<v Speaker 1>Brown theme song that we all know and love.

0:32:59.880 --> 0:33:01.719
<v Speaker 2>You do a little measure or two of it.

0:33:01.880 --> 0:33:07.280
<v Speaker 1>D oh wait, I gotta do my hand.

0:33:07.600 --> 0:33:09.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm dancing like in my arms in the air and

0:33:10.000 --> 0:33:14.680
<v Speaker 2>then down and then up. Then now you're supposed to

0:33:14.760 --> 0:33:19.200
<v Speaker 2>come in. That's very nice.

0:33:19.280 --> 0:33:21.040
<v Speaker 1>I can't keep doing that. People are about to tune out.

0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:23.560
<v Speaker 2>I think that was a great one. I'm sure everyone

0:33:23.600 --> 0:33:25.640
<v Speaker 2>who's ever heard that song is like, oh, yeah, that one.

0:33:25.960 --> 0:33:26.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:33:26.400 --> 0:33:28.320
<v Speaker 2>A lot of people probably don't know it is Linus

0:33:28.360 --> 0:33:30.200
<v Speaker 2>and Lucy. I don't think of it. I just think

0:33:30.200 --> 0:33:31.400
<v Speaker 2>of it as like the Peanuts theme.

0:33:31.840 --> 0:33:34.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So he made Linus and Lucy. The documentary went

0:33:34.680 --> 0:33:37.440
<v Speaker 1>over and then Coca Cola came around and they said,

0:33:37.640 --> 0:33:40.000
<v Speaker 1>we want to do this Christmas special Charlie Brown Christmas

0:33:40.040 --> 0:33:43.160
<v Speaker 1>in spring sixty five, and so Giraldi was an obvious

0:33:43.240 --> 0:33:46.640
<v Speaker 1>choice to come back and record music. So he recycled

0:33:46.640 --> 0:33:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Linus and Lucy and also wrote Skating and Christmas Time

0:33:50.080 --> 0:33:50.920
<v Speaker 1>Is Here iconic.

0:33:51.160 --> 0:33:55.440
<v Speaker 2>Skating is one of the most beautiful songs of all time. Agreed, Yeah,

0:33:55.480 --> 0:33:57.400
<v Speaker 2>and like you said, when you when you hear cast

0:33:57.440 --> 0:33:59.840
<v Speaker 2>your fate to the wind, if you aren't familiar with that,

0:33:59.920 --> 0:34:01.840
<v Speaker 2>you would immediately be like that sounds a lot like

0:34:01.880 --> 0:34:04.920
<v Speaker 2>the Peanuts guy. He had a style that was all

0:34:04.960 --> 0:34:10.200
<v Speaker 2>his own, that was instantly recognizable, and Charles Schultze even said, like, hey,

0:34:10.360 --> 0:34:14.000
<v Speaker 2>he's his music is really to be credited in a

0:34:14.080 --> 0:34:17.440
<v Speaker 2>large part for the success of the Charlie Brown Christmas specials.

0:34:18.520 --> 0:34:22.000
<v Speaker 2>If you've heard Christmas Time Is Here too, there's an

0:34:22.040 --> 0:34:25.200
<v Speaker 2>instrumental version that's all Giraldi, and then there's a well

0:34:25.239 --> 0:34:27.719
<v Speaker 2>another Garali version, but it has lyrics of the little

0:34:27.800 --> 0:34:31.440
<v Speaker 2>kids singing, and I guess Lee Mendelssohn basically did what

0:34:31.520 --> 0:34:33.840
<v Speaker 2>a producer does when he couldn't find a lyricist. He

0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:35.880
<v Speaker 2>just took the reins and did it himself.

0:34:36.239 --> 0:34:38.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, apparently he was having trouble and he said he

0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:40.560
<v Speaker 1>wrote it in about fifteen minutes on the back of

0:34:40.600 --> 0:34:44.319
<v Speaker 1>an envelope. Pretty simple lyrics. But Vincecaraldy never went on

0:34:44.400 --> 0:34:47.240
<v Speaker 1>to be known for a lot after this. His output

0:34:47.280 --> 0:34:52.200
<v Speaker 1>after that wasn't super famous. But you know, I think

0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:54.600
<v Speaker 1>it was Ethan Irison from that New Yorker article made

0:34:54.600 --> 0:34:56.800
<v Speaker 1>it a great point. He was like, you know, he

0:34:56.840 --> 0:35:00.279
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't be cast aside in the history of jazz. He

0:35:00.320 --> 0:35:04.640
<v Speaker 1>should very much be remembered because his really his effective

0:35:04.680 --> 0:35:08.719
<v Speaker 1>and efficient techniques on the piano. He called Charlie Brown

0:35:08.760 --> 0:35:11.759
<v Speaker 1>Christmas like a gateway drug for people who were never

0:35:11.800 --> 0:35:13.480
<v Speaker 1>into jazz before, and I think that kind of says

0:35:13.520 --> 0:35:13.920
<v Speaker 1>it best.

0:35:14.320 --> 0:35:16.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And he didn't have much time to grow as

0:35:16.680 --> 0:35:19.440
<v Speaker 2>a jazz musician after the Charlie Brown success because he

0:35:19.520 --> 0:35:23.120
<v Speaker 2>died ten years later in nineteen seventy six at age

0:35:23.160 --> 0:35:23.880
<v Speaker 2>forty seven.

0:35:24.239 --> 0:35:26.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but his music lives on.

0:35:26.760 --> 0:35:30.000
<v Speaker 2>The Charlie Brown Christmas album was voted into the Grammy

0:35:30.000 --> 0:35:32.719
<v Speaker 2>Hall of Fame in two thousand and seven. The only

0:35:32.760 --> 0:35:35.960
<v Speaker 2>travesty with that is that it took so long, and

0:35:36.000 --> 0:35:40.600
<v Speaker 2>it's part of the Library of Congress's National Recording Registry culturally,

0:35:40.920 --> 0:35:44.440
<v Speaker 2>historically or sthetically important American sound recordings.

0:35:44.719 --> 0:35:47.080
<v Speaker 1>That's right. I wish we could play all of that

0:35:47.200 --> 0:35:49.279
<v Speaker 1>music today, but we can't because we don't want to

0:35:49.280 --> 0:35:49.760
<v Speaker 1>get sued.

0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:53.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're probably already going to get sued just by humming.

0:35:53.440 --> 0:35:56.319
<v Speaker 1>Oh I doubt it. They've said. The judge would say,

0:35:56.440 --> 0:35:59.680
<v Speaker 1>now that was not recognizable. Is the work at hand dismissed.

0:36:02.160 --> 0:36:05.080
<v Speaker 2>Let's have a little jingle interlude of our own making

0:36:05.640 --> 0:36:08.920
<v Speaker 2>that's in the public domain, and we will head on

0:36:09.000 --> 0:36:11.360
<v Speaker 2>over to the dark of night in Wales.

0:36:11.840 --> 0:36:13.399
<v Speaker 1>How about that. Let's do it.

0:36:24.760 --> 0:36:27.959
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Chuck, We're in Wales. It's dark, it's cold, it's

0:36:28.440 --> 0:36:30.759
<v Speaker 2>one of the twelve days of Christmas somewhere in there.

0:36:31.080 --> 0:36:33.839
<v Speaker 2>And we want to thank Alexandra Stock, who has sent

0:36:33.920 --> 0:36:36.640
<v Speaker 2>in plenty of ideas before she's sent this one in.

0:36:36.920 --> 0:36:40.160
<v Speaker 2>We also want to thank Museum Wales, Skynews and Wales

0:36:40.200 --> 0:36:42.920
<v Speaker 2>dot com for all the info about what's known as

0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:46.480
<v Speaker 2>the Mary Lloyd, which is not spelled like it sounds,

0:36:47.239 --> 0:36:50.600
<v Speaker 2>at least not the second part. It's Lwyd and that

0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:54.640
<v Speaker 2>is Welsh. It's Welsh's Welsh gits and it's a Christmas

0:36:54.719 --> 0:37:01.160
<v Speaker 2>tradition that clearly dates back to Celtic tradition. By the

0:37:01.200 --> 0:37:03.520
<v Speaker 2>purpose the point, all that stuff has been kind of

0:37:03.560 --> 0:37:07.839
<v Speaker 2>lost to history, but it's peculiar to Whales. You can't

0:37:07.840 --> 0:37:10.520
<v Speaker 2>find this anywhere else, and even in most parts of

0:37:10.560 --> 0:37:12.239
<v Speaker 2>Whales you're not going to find it these days. But

0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:15.160
<v Speaker 2>it still survives, and for good reason, because it's actually

0:37:15.200 --> 0:37:17.760
<v Speaker 2>a pretty cool little Christmas tradition for sure.

0:37:18.080 --> 0:37:20.239
<v Speaker 1>And here's how it goes down. On a certain night,

0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:24.279
<v Speaker 1>the Mauri Lloyd, which is a ghost horse, very pale

0:37:24.320 --> 0:37:27.719
<v Speaker 1>ghost horse, rides from house to house kind of looking

0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:30.480
<v Speaker 1>to be let in, looking for hospitality for people that

0:37:30.520 --> 0:37:33.480
<v Speaker 1>are in there enjoying their pumpkin spice, old fashions and

0:37:33.520 --> 0:37:37.560
<v Speaker 1>their apple ciders by the fireplace. But how it plays

0:37:37.560 --> 0:37:41.120
<v Speaker 1>out is it's a hobby horse. These men get together

0:37:41.360 --> 0:37:44.239
<v Speaker 1>it's a broomstick and they get covered in a white

0:37:44.239 --> 0:37:46.600
<v Speaker 1>sheet to form the body of the horse. They have

0:37:46.680 --> 0:37:50.759
<v Speaker 1>these colorful ribbons from the neck to form the neck

0:37:50.760 --> 0:37:55.200
<v Speaker 1>in the main, and then here's the most disturbing part

0:37:55.360 --> 0:37:58.840
<v Speaker 1>is I think sometimes it would be like paper machet

0:37:59.239 --> 0:38:01.359
<v Speaker 1>or wood or something like that, with like a hinge jaw,

0:38:01.400 --> 0:38:03.799
<v Speaker 1>so it looks like a horse's head, but in the

0:38:03.880 --> 0:38:06.880
<v Speaker 1>olden days, traditionally it was a real horse's skull.

0:38:07.600 --> 0:38:09.959
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's frightening looking. If you see some old

0:38:10.000 --> 0:38:14.080
<v Speaker 2>timey mari Lloyd's that they're scary, And one of the

0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:16.680
<v Speaker 2>reasons why they're scary is they're supposed to represent like

0:38:17.400 --> 0:38:23.759
<v Speaker 2>death and spirits and being out in the cold in

0:38:22.840 --> 0:38:28.280
<v Speaker 2>the dark in winter. Right. But as scary as that sounds,

0:38:28.320 --> 0:38:30.799
<v Speaker 2>it's not like a crampus tradition where mari Lloyd's going

0:38:30.880 --> 0:38:33.600
<v Speaker 2>to come get you, like take you away and leave

0:38:33.640 --> 0:38:36.560
<v Speaker 2>you cold or something like that. It's in the tradition

0:38:36.600 --> 0:38:40.000
<v Speaker 2>of mummering, where caroling also came from going from house

0:38:40.040 --> 0:38:43.480
<v Speaker 2>to house, getting as drunk as you possibly can and

0:38:43.560 --> 0:38:46.920
<v Speaker 2>engaging in this kind of Christmas tradition, which is again

0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:50.040
<v Speaker 2>this is fairly peculiar. But the whole thing takes place

0:38:50.080 --> 0:38:54.680
<v Speaker 2>when the mari lloyd they're processing through the town essentially

0:38:54.680 --> 0:38:57.200
<v Speaker 2>a parade, and they go from house to house. When

0:38:57.200 --> 0:38:59.440
<v Speaker 2>they show up on the doorstep of a house, they

0:38:59.480 --> 0:39:04.239
<v Speaker 2>start seeinginging verse and they through the closed door and

0:39:04.320 --> 0:39:06.480
<v Speaker 2>on the other side of the door the family starts

0:39:06.560 --> 0:39:11.680
<v Speaker 2>singing verse back and essentially a verse battle goes back

0:39:11.760 --> 0:39:12.919
<v Speaker 2>and forth between the two.

0:39:13.320 --> 0:39:16.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a rap battle. The weirdest thing about this

0:39:16.680 --> 0:39:19.719
<v Speaker 1>is the door is closed, right, But I guess the

0:39:19.760 --> 0:39:23.680
<v Speaker 1>whole point of this thing is they go back and forth.

0:39:24.320 --> 0:39:27.040
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes it could take like an hour until one side

0:39:27.080 --> 0:39:30.320
<v Speaker 1>finally gives up. I guess they can. You know, they

0:39:30.360 --> 0:39:33.640
<v Speaker 1>can't come up with a new next line, or they're

0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:36.759
<v Speaker 1>too drunk to and they say, all right, you guys win.

0:39:37.239 --> 0:39:39.200
<v Speaker 1>So the reason the door is closed is because if

0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:42.680
<v Speaker 1>there is a victory by the mary Lloyd crew, and

0:39:42.719 --> 0:39:45.520
<v Speaker 1>they usually won, the whole point was to be invited

0:39:45.560 --> 0:39:47.319
<v Speaker 1>in after that. So that's why the door is shut.

0:39:47.640 --> 0:39:49.839
<v Speaker 2>Right. But again, the mary Lloyd is scary. It's death

0:39:49.840 --> 0:39:51.640
<v Speaker 2>that kind of thing. That's why the family's trying to

0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:53.759
<v Speaker 2>keep them out. But when they come in, they're like,

0:39:53.800 --> 0:39:56.760
<v Speaker 2>here's some wastle, here's some rich crackers with the olive

0:39:56.840 --> 0:39:59.239
<v Speaker 2>on it. You know, they welcome them in, and the

0:39:59.320 --> 0:40:02.759
<v Speaker 2>mary Lloyd a role at that point is to run

0:40:02.800 --> 0:40:05.040
<v Speaker 2>around and like nip at the children and scare them

0:40:05.040 --> 0:40:08.080
<v Speaker 2>and maybe knock some stuff over. They might put the

0:40:08.120 --> 0:40:12.759
<v Speaker 2>fire out in the family's house. Just general mischief and revelry. Right,

0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:17.720
<v Speaker 2>there's a BBC like five to six minute documentary showing

0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:24.080
<v Speaker 2>mary Lloyd. Well, it's called a Ponka pwnco That verse

0:40:24.160 --> 0:40:30.560
<v Speaker 2>battle take place, and it's the most stayed presentation you

0:40:30.560 --> 0:40:32.600
<v Speaker 2>can ever find. Like, if you just saw that, you'd

0:40:32.640 --> 0:40:35.560
<v Speaker 2>be like mary Lloyd seems like a very serious thing,

0:40:35.880 --> 0:40:39.439
<v Speaker 2>it's not. It was again drunken revelry going from house

0:40:39.480 --> 0:40:42.600
<v Speaker 2>to house basically spreading the Christmas spirit and in return

0:40:42.680 --> 0:40:45.839
<v Speaker 2>for letting the mary Lloyd in you your house would

0:40:45.840 --> 0:40:47.680
<v Speaker 2>be blessed with good luck for the new year.

0:40:48.200 --> 0:40:52.440
<v Speaker 1>That's right, we're the mary Lloyd's and we came to say,

0:40:52.920 --> 0:40:55.719
<v Speaker 1>we came to bring you luck in the usual way.

0:40:56.120 --> 0:40:58.160
<v Speaker 2>I love fruity pebbles in a major way.

0:40:58.920 --> 0:41:01.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So in the end it turns out to be

0:41:01.080 --> 0:41:03.200
<v Speaker 1>a good party. I guess your home might get slightly wrecked,

0:41:03.239 --> 0:41:05.560
<v Speaker 1>but you got good luck. There are a couple of

0:41:05.680 --> 0:41:10.200
<v Speaker 1>theories about what that name actually means. One translation is

0:41:10.320 --> 0:41:15.040
<v Speaker 1>gray Mary, and it's a legend linking mary Lloyd to

0:41:15.080 --> 0:41:18.200
<v Speaker 1>the Nativity story and that it was a pregnant horse

0:41:18.239 --> 0:41:21.759
<v Speaker 1>that was in the stables where Mary is said to

0:41:21.800 --> 0:41:24.000
<v Speaker 1>have had Jesus. So they're like, we need some room

0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:27.080
<v Speaker 1>in here to have this very special baby. So I

0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:30.560
<v Speaker 1>know you're pregnant as well, horse, but hit the road. Yeah.

0:41:30.560 --> 0:41:32.640
<v Speaker 2>The horse is like I was here first.

0:41:33.000 --> 0:41:35.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I'm also pregnant by the way.

0:41:34.920 --> 0:41:38.799
<v Speaker 2>And apparently the horse spent days trying to find a

0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:42.040
<v Speaker 2>place to have her full It's a very sad story. Yeah,

0:41:42.040 --> 0:41:45.920
<v Speaker 2>but it's Christian in origin, and a lot of people

0:41:45.920 --> 0:41:48.319
<v Speaker 2>are like, this is not a Christian tradition. This is

0:41:48.640 --> 0:41:52.960
<v Speaker 2>pagan as it gets. And there's the other translation of it,

0:41:53.040 --> 0:41:56.920
<v Speaker 2>the gray Mayor, And in Celtic and British mythology, the

0:41:57.040 --> 0:42:01.760
<v Speaker 2>gray Mayor or pale horse was of generated I guess

0:42:01.840 --> 0:42:05.400
<v Speaker 2>animal that could kind of cross over from this world

0:42:05.400 --> 0:42:08.600
<v Speaker 2>to the underworld fairly easily, which really kind of gets

0:42:08.640 --> 0:42:11.560
<v Speaker 2>across the whole horse skull and explains all that kind

0:42:11.560 --> 0:42:12.040
<v Speaker 2>of stuff.

0:42:12.400 --> 0:42:15.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, you know what they say about the gray Mayor.

0:42:15.640 --> 0:42:17.040
<v Speaker 2>She's not what she used to be.

0:42:17.520 --> 0:42:18.360
<v Speaker 1>No, she ain't.

0:42:18.640 --> 0:42:21.880
<v Speaker 2>So this is a very old tradition probably, but it

0:42:21.960 --> 0:42:24.520
<v Speaker 2>saw its hating in the nineteenth century and in the

0:42:24.560 --> 0:42:25.839
<v Speaker 2>most delicious way, right.

0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:29.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But ironically, in trying to decry this thing that

0:42:29.640 --> 0:42:31.439
<v Speaker 1>was a Christian scholar saying like, you know, we can't

0:42:31.480 --> 0:42:34.920
<v Speaker 1>do this it, you know, like all things like the stress.

0:42:34.960 --> 0:42:36.920
<v Speaker 1>In effect, it brought more attention. They didn't call it

0:42:36.960 --> 0:42:39.640
<v Speaker 1>that then, but it brought more attention to it, and

0:42:39.760 --> 0:42:43.439
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, like how to manuals sprung up right.

0:42:44.239 --> 0:42:47.280
<v Speaker 2>And so finally, though that heyday in the nineteenth century

0:42:47.360 --> 0:42:49.520
<v Speaker 2>kind of died off. By the nineteen sixties, it was

0:42:49.600 --> 0:42:52.160
<v Speaker 2>totally gone. They think, like they don't think anyone was

0:42:52.200 --> 0:42:56.799
<v Speaker 2>celebrating it anymore. But some groups of merrymakers found out

0:42:56.840 --> 0:42:59.880
<v Speaker 2>about it or revived it, and it still goes on

0:43:00.040 --> 0:43:03.080
<v Speaker 2>today in a few different places. And apparently it's when

0:43:03.080 --> 0:43:05.279
<v Speaker 2>they do it. It's pretty big and pretty fun and

0:43:05.320 --> 0:43:09.719
<v Speaker 2>pretty rowdy and just colorful and not really scary at all.

0:43:10.239 --> 0:43:14.640
<v Speaker 1>I love it me too. Hats off whales, Hats off whales,

0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:17.160
<v Speaker 1>Hats off Tom Jones.

0:43:18.200 --> 0:43:20.160
<v Speaker 2>Mm see Welsh?

0:43:20.360 --> 0:43:23.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well that is name the singer with the Elvis hips.

0:43:24.120 --> 0:43:25.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah he was Welsh.

0:43:25.239 --> 0:43:27.800
<v Speaker 1>Huh he's Welsh, baby, Okay, great.

0:43:39.320 --> 0:43:41.880
<v Speaker 2>All right, Chuck, we've arrived at the last piece, which

0:43:41.960 --> 0:43:44.920
<v Speaker 2>I love you found it and I think it's very

0:43:44.920 --> 0:43:47.240
<v Speaker 2>helpful and I love how it adds some like good

0:43:47.400 --> 0:43:48.960
<v Speaker 2>advice to this episode.

0:43:49.680 --> 0:43:53.000
<v Speaker 1>That's right, because everyone loves putting up If you celebrate

0:43:53.040 --> 0:43:55.000
<v Speaker 1>Christmas and you celebrate with a Christmas tree, you love

0:43:55.040 --> 0:43:58.240
<v Speaker 1>putting up those Christmas tree lights. But storing those things

0:43:58.320 --> 0:44:00.880
<v Speaker 1>and then unveiling them the next year can be a

0:44:00.920 --> 0:44:01.879
<v Speaker 1>real pain in.

0:44:01.840 --> 0:44:04.360
<v Speaker 2>The rump, a real drag, right.

0:44:04.760 --> 0:44:06.799
<v Speaker 1>That's right. So we're gonna tell you at least some

0:44:06.960 --> 0:44:09.800
<v Speaker 1>Internet source tips on how to properly store those Christmas

0:44:09.840 --> 0:44:10.320
<v Speaker 1>tree lights.

0:44:10.480 --> 0:44:12.600
<v Speaker 2>The first one, I like this one. It's complicated, but

0:44:12.680 --> 0:44:15.520
<v Speaker 2>it's cool. So you take a wrapping tube of Christmas

0:44:15.560 --> 0:44:18.239
<v Speaker 2>paper wrapping tube first, unroll the paper on end, throw

0:44:18.239 --> 0:44:21.120
<v Speaker 2>it away, and just take the tube and you make

0:44:21.160 --> 0:44:23.440
<v Speaker 2>a little notch in the end, one end of it

0:44:23.480 --> 0:44:26.799
<v Speaker 2>about an inch long, and you run the end of

0:44:26.840 --> 0:44:30.960
<v Speaker 2>the Christmas lights through and you stick your jam like

0:44:31.080 --> 0:44:33.799
<v Speaker 2>the plug and into that notch so it can't come out.

0:44:34.280 --> 0:44:37.680
<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, well, I mean the plug goes into the

0:44:38.120 --> 0:44:41.680
<v Speaker 1>tube hole, right, and then you just pull the electrical

0:44:41.680 --> 0:44:43.600
<v Speaker 1>cord through that slit.

0:44:44.480 --> 0:44:47.839
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's another way to do it, sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:44:47.880 --> 0:44:52.320
<v Speaker 2>But then you take the lights and you start twisting them, twist, twist,

0:44:52.480 --> 0:44:55.520
<v Speaker 2>twist around the tube. Well, you twist the tube and

0:44:55.560 --> 0:44:58.960
<v Speaker 2>the lights kind of diagonally go around the tube, and

0:44:59.040 --> 0:45:01.520
<v Speaker 2>then you get to the end, cut another slit, put

0:45:01.520 --> 0:45:05.040
<v Speaker 2>the other plug end in, and there you go. You've

0:45:05.080 --> 0:45:07.920
<v Speaker 2>got one way to store Christmas lights. That seems pretty

0:45:07.920 --> 0:45:08.400
<v Speaker 2>great to me.

0:45:09.000 --> 0:45:12.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, depending on the length of your tube,

0:45:12.480 --> 0:45:15.239
<v Speaker 1>you might have to go back over the other way.

0:45:15.280 --> 0:45:17.360
<v Speaker 1>But the point is it's not getting wrapped and wrapped

0:45:17.360 --> 0:45:19.840
<v Speaker 1>and wrapped around each other. Maybe just like one overlap.

0:45:20.080 --> 0:45:22.839
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's one way. What about another way?

0:45:23.280 --> 0:45:25.280
<v Speaker 1>Well, this is I mean these are all fairly similar.

0:45:25.280 --> 0:45:27.400
<v Speaker 1>In this case, though, You're going to cut a rectangular

0:45:27.440 --> 0:45:31.080
<v Speaker 1>piece of cardboard from a box. You know, depending on

0:45:31.080 --> 0:45:33.000
<v Speaker 1>how big you want it, maybe eighteen inches by nine

0:45:33.000 --> 0:45:36.040
<v Speaker 1>inches okay, And this time you cut little square notches

0:45:36.120 --> 0:45:39.600
<v Speaker 1>about an inch from each end on both sides, and

0:45:39.680 --> 0:45:42.279
<v Speaker 1>those notches are going to do the same thing that

0:45:42.280 --> 0:45:45.000
<v Speaker 1>that slit did. They're going to secure that plug and

0:45:45.040 --> 0:45:49.120
<v Speaker 1>then you just wrap it around that section of cardboard box.

0:45:49.480 --> 0:45:52.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Like, if you've ever done any plumbing work or something,

0:45:52.440 --> 0:45:56.560
<v Speaker 2>sometimes whatever piece you're replacing, it'll come with a little

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<v Speaker 2>thing of teflon tape. It's the exact same thing in

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<v Speaker 2>miniature that we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, I like that one.

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<v Speaker 2>That's probably the one I would try of all these. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>this one sounds really not super helpful. You use one

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<v Speaker 2>of those coffee caddies with the four little depressions for coffee,

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<v Speaker 2>and you stick the plug in through one of the

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<v Speaker 2>You know that each little hole or depression has some

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<v Speaker 2>slits in it. Yeah, you stick the plug in through that,

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<v Speaker 2>and you just start wrapping that guy over and over

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<v Speaker 2>and over again, rap, rap, rap, and then when you

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<v Speaker 2>reach the other plug in, you stick that through a

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<v Speaker 2>hole too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, not too bad. This way is maybe a little

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<v Speaker 1>likelier to get tangled because you're wrapping it over itself

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<v Speaker 1>through the center of that thing, over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, But what about what do you do? Chuck? I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's what the people want to hear.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the Chuck method is very low fi. I found

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<v Speaker 1>that it works for me, may not work for you.

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<v Speaker 1>I take the lights off the tree and then I

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<v Speaker 1>lay them sort of out, one at a time on

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<v Speaker 1>the cow, which because the whole point of all of

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<v Speaker 1>this is you don't want those tangles, you know, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest hassle of these things. Sure, they're kind of unwieldy.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I take that one of those little plastic

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<v Speaker 1>grocery bags that I'm about to go recycle, and instead

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<v Speaker 1>I just sort of bunch up that individual cord and

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<v Speaker 1>stick it in the bag. Each one gets its own bag.

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<v Speaker 1>As I said in this piece that I sent to you,

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds super yanky, but I found that it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>really tangle when you take them back out, and they

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<v Speaker 1>pack really nice, you know, much nicer than these big

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<v Speaker 1>long tubes because you can just sort of flat pack

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<v Speaker 1>them in a bin and as long as they're each one.

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<v Speaker 1>The whole point is just to do one per bag

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<v Speaker 1>and to keep them separate. And when I unveil them,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't really get that tangly.

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<v Speaker 2>That's amazing. There's got to be some sort of fluid

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<v Speaker 2>dynamics or something at play that somebody could explain. But

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get how that works. But that's cool.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your method?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, first of all, I want to say, you didn't

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<v Speaker 2>say super yanky in the piece. It says JANKI af.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, because I'm a hip kid.

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<v Speaker 2>My method is I follow two different methods. One, you

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<v Speaker 2>can just leave the lights up throughout the year and

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<v Speaker 2>just don't turn them on.

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<v Speaker 1>Until Christmas on the tree. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>The second what I actually really do is I just

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<v Speaker 2>do that method where you have your you stick your

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<v Speaker 2>arm up at the elbow at a ninety degree angle.

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<v Speaker 2>You just kind of wrap from between your thumb and

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<v Speaker 2>forefinger across the palm through your elbow palm elbow, palm, elbow,

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<v Speaker 2>and you have to say that out loud while you're

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<v Speaker 2>doing it over and over again. It helps if people

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<v Speaker 2>are watching you while you say that too. And then

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<v Speaker 2>before you get to the end, maybe about six inches left,

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<v Speaker 2>you wrap that around the middle of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Com okay, and then like a like an extension cord style.

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<v Speaker 2>Precisely, as a matter of fact, that's probably the best

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<v Speaker 2>thing to call it. Extension cord style is what I do.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. I bet that works pretty good, huh, it does.

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<v Speaker 2>But I want to try yours.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds fun, yeah, I mean, like I said, it's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty yanky. You can also, you know, we should point

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<v Speaker 1>out that they obviously sell all sorts of contrap and

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<v Speaker 1>storage devices for these now, but I don't know, just

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<v Speaker 1>be a little more fun. Come up with your own method.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't buy some other dumb thing.

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<v Speaker 2>No, as anyone who's ever done the holidays really knows

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<v Speaker 2>that's cheating. That's right, and that's it, everybody. That's the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty five Stuff you Should Know holiday extravaganza special

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<v Speaker 2>of all time.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. And as we say every year, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever however you choose to celebrate your holiday this year,

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<v Speaker 1>we hope you're doing it right. We hope you're surrounded

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<v Speaker 1>by friends and loved ones. And it sounds trite to

0:49:34.800 --> 0:49:38.399
<v Speaker 1>say that if you're lonely this holiday season that we're

0:49:38.440 --> 0:49:41.120
<v Speaker 1>thinking about you, but we truly truly are, because this

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<v Speaker 1>can be a rough time of the year for some folks,

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<v Speaker 1>and so you know, we really think a lot about

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<v Speaker 1>those those situations this time of year.

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<v Speaker 2>That was very sweet, Chuck, Yeah, and everybody out there,

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<v Speaker 2>we hope you guys have a happy holidays, that it's safe.

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