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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Do Do Do Do Do, Do Do Do, and welcome

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Speaker 2: to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's Chuck and Jerry's

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Speaker 2: here too. Somewhere in spirit. She may be haunting somebody

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Speaker 2: right now as a ghost of Christmas past. I'm not sure. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And this is our annual Stuff you Should Know Holiday

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Speaker 2: special Hunt Chalk.

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Speaker 1: That's right, I tell you what. It's one of, if

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Speaker 1: not our favorite episodes of the year. M h. I

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Speaker 1: will say it's getting harder and harder to come up

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Speaker 1: with stuff. We're delving further out into the world and

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Speaker 1: further back in time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, this is our Anglo American edition, I guess.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. European listeners are going to be pretty stoked.

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Speaker 1: And also we like to point out this this is

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Speaker 1: one of two episodes at the year where we draw

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Speaker 1: a line in the sand and say, sales take the

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Speaker 1: day off. No ads for this one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because Christmas is commercial enough? Am I right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Man? Am I going to sell these? No?

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Speaker 2: These belong to you guys, the people there are gifts.

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Speaker 1: That's right. And by the way, if you hear the

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Speaker 1: tinkle tinkle of ice. It's because Josh talked me into

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Speaker 1: making the drink that we're gonna You know, sometimes we

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Speaker 1: have a little Christmas drink that we put out as

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Speaker 1: a part of this episode, and we're doing that again

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Speaker 1: this year, and so I'm having what we call here

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Speaker 1: in the South a nooner.

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Speaker 2: I didn't have to try very hard. What do you

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Speaker 2: want to start with, Chuck? And also hats off to

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Speaker 2: Jerry for doing all of the wonderful sound design that

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Speaker 2: makes this Christmas episode so special every year.

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Speaker 1: That's right, as usually we're flying by the seat of

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Speaker 1: our pants. What do you say we start with one

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Speaker 1: of your picks on the Morabians, who we've talked about

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Speaker 1: before on a Christmas episode. I believe I don't remember

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Speaker 1: that we definitely did.

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Speaker 2: It makes sense because they are definitely sod with Christmas

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Speaker 2: in the United States, and I would guess the Czech

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Speaker 2: Republic too. At the time the Moravians made the move

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Speaker 2: over to North America in the eighteenth century, the Czech

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Speaker 2: Republic was still called Bohemia, and the Moravians first settled

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Speaker 2: in the Lehigh Valley of Pennsylvania, and they where a

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Speaker 2: very devout group still are and that's why Pennsylvania has

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Speaker 2: towns named Nazareth in Bethlehem, for example.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, never knew that until yesterday.

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Speaker 2: So they brought a lot of Christmas traditions with them.

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Speaker 2: The Moravian cookies Mevini gingery, molasses heavy flat, yeah, crispy delicious.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, those cookies came from these people. They

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Speaker 2: also brought the seeds of miniature Christmas villages that people

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Speaker 2: put up around the holidays too.

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Speaker 1: That's right. If you look back in the Middle Ages

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Speaker 1: in Europe, well, there's a bunch of awful things going on.

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Speaker 1: But one of the fun things was a trend of

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Speaker 1: creating Nativity scenes. They were called, I guess cretches. And

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Speaker 1: you know what a Nativity scene is. They're a little

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Speaker 1: dioramas of the of the scene of the birth of

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Speaker 1: Jesus in a manger. And yeah, the Moravians saw those

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Speaker 1: and they were like, hold my molasses cookie, because we're

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Speaker 1: gonna kick this up a notch. And they kicked it

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Speaker 1: up such a notch that the Germans created a term

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Speaker 1: basically for that notch of these crutches, these Moravian crutches,

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Speaker 1: called a puts. It means to put out or decorate

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Speaker 1: and putzing was the act of doing this nothing to

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Speaker 1: do with the Yiddish term you're a putts or putsing about?

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Speaker 2: No, oh really, I thought putsing probably came from that

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Speaker 2: because you're going from house to house, as we'll find out.

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Speaker 1: No, because the putts is sort of a fool and

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Speaker 1: puttsing about is kind of doing foolish things.

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Speaker 2: I see, I heard a putts was something else entirely

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Speaker 2: that we would well be able to mention on the episode.

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Speaker 1: Is that not true, that's the original, that's the og meeting. Yes,

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Speaker 2: Okay, So Moravians, like you said, they kind of took

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Speaker 2: this medieval tradition to like a whole new level. The

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Speaker 2: They started out with those Nativity scenes, the crush, but

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Speaker 2: biblical description of the Nativity scene, which was the birth

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Speaker 2: Want to include the shepherd's dog because you're starting to

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Speaker 1: know it, a putts or a putz rather it's probably puts.

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Speaker 1: It could take up an entire room, like they would

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Speaker 2: Right, And so there's a tradition that kind of grew

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Speaker 2: o their poots. Then on Christmas Eve they would unveil

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Speaker 2: the poots, the family poots, to the kids. And I'm

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Speaker 2: sure it was just a great a great time for everybody.

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Speaker 1: That's right. And now I digress very briefly to tell

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Speaker 1: you of a little natural diorama I made at my

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Speaker 2: I brought your own stump.

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Speaker 1: I brought my own stump, which was a whole story

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Speaker 1: in itself, which I won't get into. But the stump

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Speaker 1: paint when we go up there. And then I brought

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Speaker 1: it a step forward and I made a whole nature

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Speaker 1: I've caught in the camp cam nice And I mentioned

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Speaker 1: this only because while I was doing it, it was

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Speaker 2: Were they invited?

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Speaker 1: They were not. Every time they came over there to

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Speaker 1: Chuck's project.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So that wasn't so much fun. But it reminded

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Speaker 1: me of the Moravians saying, kids get out of here.

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Speaker 2: Right. Did you unveil it to the children's delight though

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Speaker 1: No. I unveiled it later that evening and they said,

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Speaker 2: So there were people who got so good at it

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Speaker 2: Probably the most famous Moravian puts artist I guess yeah

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Speaker 1: Of the year. That's right. And the non Marie got

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Speaker 1: they were like, we don't even need this Nativity scene

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Speaker 1: can buy these things if you want, but it's a

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Speaker 1: lot more fun if you sort of collect things piece

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Speaker 1: along and you could have, you know, Christmas lights. You

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Speaker 1: could have little ski lifts that take people up tiny mountains.

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Speaker 1: They do that so cute.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. Apparently lit Max is probably from what

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Speaker 2: I could tell the leader in Miniature Christmas Village Manufactory. Yeah, oh,

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Speaker 2: you want me to tell you some more about them, please,

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Speaker 2: So they have different themes. Like you said, you can

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Speaker 2: sell each piece individually because if you know so there's

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Speaker 2: the Christmas tip. If you know somebody who sets up

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Speaker 2: Christmas villages around Christmas, yeah, that is a guaranteed home

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Speaker 1: It, yeah for sure. But if you choose to buy

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Speaker 2: I think that seems to be that in like Swiss

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Speaker 2: village seems to be like a pretty common theme. But

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Speaker 2: there's also I've seen one for the fifties. Somebody's really

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Speaker 2: their kind. So there was also Santo's Wonderland, you know,

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Speaker 2: like where it's at Sanna's actual village. That seems pretty

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. And we want to thank listener Robert Paulson,

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Speaker 1: who's been listening forever. Yeah, because he always sends in

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Speaker 1: under the guise of trains around the tree and that

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And then people who had those trains around their

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Speaker 1: That's right, and that is the story of the Moravian

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Speaker 1: tiny villages And scene, what do you want to do next?

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Speaker 2: Do you want to tell everybody about your drink so

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Speaker 2: they can possibly press paws and make one and then

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Speaker 2: come back for the rest of it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Why not? Okay? This year, the drink that we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about is Chuck's special Pumpkin Spice Old Fashion.

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Speaker 1: I've been drinking these lately because when fall rolls around

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Speaker 1: here in Georgia, that's when the whiskey and the bourbon

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Speaker 1: kind of becomes a little more to my taste, definitely,

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Speaker 1: And this year I heard about a pumpkin spice Old Fashion,

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Speaker 1: and I thought you know what, I've never made my

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Speaker 1: own pumpkin spice syrup from scratch. And I did, and

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Speaker 1: it's great.

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Speaker 2: I have some questions about your recipe. I may have

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Speaker 2: some suggestions. I'm not surprised, and you tell me, you

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Speaker 2: tell me if you think that they would be incorporaable.

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Speaker 1: Uh okay, I mean you can. You can do it,

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Speaker 2: So all right, well listen, so you start with five

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Speaker 2: cups of water, right?

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah. I mean I'm not an exact guy when

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Speaker 1: it comes to recipes, so I had a really hard

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Speaker 1: time coming with measurements because I'm just I fly by

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Speaker 1: the seat of my pants when it comes to cooking

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, so you got that. You've got one and

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Speaker 2: a half cups like brown sugar, another half a cup turbinato,

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Speaker 2: which is like the granular minimally processed sugar.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's sort of like the pre brown sugars.

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Speaker 1: It's got that same molasses flavor.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and then do you like your syrup very sweet?

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Speaker 1: I actually don't think I measured the water. What I

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, good tip.

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Speaker 2: That was my only other tip.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it spends on how sweet you like

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Speaker 2: Very smart. So you take that, you make sure everything

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you want a nice wide swath of orange peel,

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Speaker 1: That's right, And just a quick psa for all the

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Speaker 2: Our listeners named Pete just said, yeah, that's right. What's

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Speaker 1: Oh, if you want to, if you have a zester

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Speaker 2: On top, just a little bit, just a touch. That's right,

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Speaker 2: That is classy, buddy, thank you. Okay, well, I guess

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Speaker 1: That's right?

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Speaker 2: What do you want to do next? Chuck?

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean let's go back to one of yours.

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Speaker 1: Should we do the Frozen Fair?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna go back in time, way back.

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Speaker 1: Frozen Fair, the Fryar's Fair, the frost Fairs. I didn't

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Speaker 2: Featuring the Fryars.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: So we're talking about a series of basically impromptu winter

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Speaker 2: and Imagination. And what we're talking about is they're called

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Speaker 2: the Frost Fairs. And we should give you a little

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Speaker 2: eighteen thirty one bridge and the nineteen sixties bridge put

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Speaker 1: That's right. That new London Bridge has five arches. The

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Speaker 1: one previous to that from eighteen thirty one had nineteen arches,

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Speaker 1: was it narrower or wider?

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Speaker 2: Wider?

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Speaker 1: Wider and shallower, Yeah, wider and shallower. So all of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Little Ice Age was going on too, from

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Speaker 2: they are today. So you put that toge the design

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Speaker 1: That's right, And that happened in fifteen sixty four when

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Speaker 1: it froze over and people in London were like, hey,

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Speaker 1: that's pretty cool. Let's go out and get drunk and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently even Queen Elizabeth I was like, that looked fun,

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Speaker 2: let's go.

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Speaker 1: She packed up for Corgi's and slipped around on the

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Speaker 1: ice for a little while. It froze again in sixteen

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Speaker 1: oh seven eight, and this time they were like, hey,

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Speaker 1: BlimE me, this thing's frozen again. Let's get drunk and

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Speaker 1: sell some things. That was Australian. Oh man.

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Speaker 2: The thing is is like a lot of people bade

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Speaker 2: term frost fair for these things.

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Speaker 1: Or frozen fryar or whatever the heck, righty.

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Speaker 2: A frozen fryar frost fair. It wasn't until though, I

439
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,280
Speaker 2: think sixteen eighty three eighty four, that it really became

440
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:12,400
Speaker 2: like a full blown thing.

441
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,760
Speaker 1: Though. Yeah, I mean that was a couple of months

442
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 1: of frozen Thames, and this time it was like a

443
00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,960
Speaker 1: real like a Christmas market. Basically everybody is selling their wares.

444
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,199
Speaker 1: Like you said, people that normally sold stuff on the

445
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,560
Speaker 1: side of the river were all set up down there.

446
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,160
Speaker 1: They had so many rows of booths that they formed

447
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 1: a literal avenue down the middle of the Thames. And

448
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,639
Speaker 1: you could do everything. You could have a sit down

449
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:41,600
Speaker 1: restaurant meal under a huge tint made of boat sails

450
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,479
Speaker 1: that are propped up by rowing oars.

451
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was apparently quite a party because there

452
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,359
Speaker 2: was a writer of the time, John Evelyn. He wrote

453
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 2: that that Frost Fair was a bacchanalien triumph, a carnival

454
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,399
Speaker 2: on the water. Yeah, that's saying quite a bit. This

455
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 2: is again, this is like people aren't like, Okay, the

456
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,640
Speaker 2: sixteen eighty three f Frost Fairs coming up, we better

457
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 2: start planning. These were all generally impropt too. That was

458
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,920
Speaker 2: pretty cool that sixteen eighty three one lasted two months.

459
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 2: And Tales of History and Imagination, the podcast I thanked earlier,

460
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 2: they turned up a fact that some guy bet some

461
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 2: other guy that he could build a three story house,

462
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 2: spend a night in it, and take it down before

463
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:28,639
Speaker 2: the Thames thawed. And it's a great story even despite

464
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,680
Speaker 2: the fact that neither we nor Tales of History and

465
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 2: Imagination could find out the outcome.

466
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Speaker 1: Of the bet. That sounds like a good show.

467
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 2: Yeah it is. There's a lot of great episodes that

468
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Speaker 2: I saw when I was looking for that. I'm not

469
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Speaker 2: sure how I stumbled across it. I guess I just

470
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Speaker 2: came across some of their Christmas content.

471
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Speaker 1: I love it. I'm gonna check it out so big

472
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 1: thanks to them. There were a couple of more frost Fairs,

473
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Speaker 1: not Friars, in seventeen sixteen and again in seventeen thirty nine,

474
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Speaker 1: so there. I mean, I don't know if anyone's doing

475
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,679
Speaker 1: the math. There are large, large gaps between all this stuff, right.

476
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 1: It's not like, you know, they went on the internet

477
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,120
Speaker 1: and were like, hey, the last time they did all this,

478
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:08,400
Speaker 1: so people are you know, I guess word gets passed down,

479
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: you know, like, hey, here's this is a thing to

480
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 1: do when the times freezes. But sadly, the last Frost

481
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,640
Speaker 1: Fair was in eighteen fourteen.

482
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know that somebody at the seventeen sixteen

483
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 2: Frost Fair was like, this Frost Fair sucks. Yesterre to

484
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,679
Speaker 2: eighty four sold out eighty four rocked Man.

485
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

486
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 2: So yeah. The last one was eighteen fourteen, and the

487
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Speaker 2: BBC talked about it in one of their articles, and

488
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,360
Speaker 2: they interviewed a food history named Ivan Day, and he

489
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Speaker 2: said that the eighteen fourteen Frost Fair was basically food

490
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Speaker 2: and drink and people getting wasted. He said that there

491
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Speaker 2: was this one drink called a pearl it was it

492
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 2: was wormwood wine. It's kind of like vermouth gin together,

493
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 2: so it was hot. It was like a hot, super

494
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,679
Speaker 2: potent martini. Then he said, quote, you'd get absolutely wrecked

495
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Speaker 2: on it. There was a spiky beer that has a

496
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 2: lot of spices in it called mum, which is what

497
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 2: you'd probably call it a winter ale today. Yeah, I

498
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 2: love that, And then of course this regular gin. There

499
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 2: was also other stuff too. There's tea, coffee, hot chocolate,

500
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 2: and there was plenty of food to eat, particularly the

501
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 2: roast ox. Right.

502
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: Oh man, Yeah, I don't even like saying those words together.

503
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 1: But this Iban Day, this food historian, he replicates cooking

504
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: techniques from back then, and for this roast ox, he

505
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: said it would take basically a day over twenty four

506
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Speaker 1: hours to roast this thing in front of a fire.

507
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Speaker 1: And Buddy, I don't know if these numbers are right,

508
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 1: but he said that that ox could feed eight hundred people.

509
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and he's a food historian, so he would

510
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 2: probably know.

511
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you're just getting like an ox

512
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 1: a moose boushe. It's not a plate full of ox

513
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: for eight hundred, There's no way.

514
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean maybe their oxes were way

515
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 2: bigger during the little ice Age.

516
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Speaker 1: I think it's oxen, my friend.

517
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for correcting me on that one.

518
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: What else would they serve mutton?

519
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,239
Speaker 2: Yeah? Sure, which is kind of like it's almost like

520
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 2: a sheep like meat.

521
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 1: I think it is sheep. Isn't it like a grown sheep?

522
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 2: Yeah?

523
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: Yeah?

524
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,679
Speaker 2: And you don't want that. Nobody wants mutton.

525
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: Really, I don't want mutton. So Jerry Seinfeld certainly doesn't

526
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: want mutton.

527
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 2: So what does that one me?

528
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: That was from Seinfeld? Remember he had a girlfriend that

529
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 1: he was spitting out food and putting it in his jacket,

530
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 1: and she was serving mutton vaguely. He would wrap it

531
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Speaker 1: in his napkin and stuff in his pocket, and eventually

532
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: Elaine borrowed his coat and got it backed by a dog.

533
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Speaker 2: Man. That was a great show, sure was. So. The

534
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 2: reason why the eighteen fourteen one was the last one

535
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 2: is because, like you said, the newer better. I guess

536
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 2: versions of the London Bridge have wider spans, so the

537
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 2: water camp back up behind the little narrow arches and freeze.

538
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 2: It just isn't gonna happen, everybody. Frost Fair was eighteen fourteen,

539
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 2: but parts of the Thames can freeze from time to time,

540
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 2: and the BBC turned up one from nineteen sixty two.

541
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Speaker 2: The winner in that year was called the Big Freeze

542
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 2: in London, and someone spotted a man riding a bicycle

543
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 2: on the Thames probably thinking to himself, you know what,

544
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 2: the Frozen Friar Fair would be great right now?

545
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: Yeah? I hope it was a penny farthing. Yeah, for sure,

546
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 1: that'd be fantastic, very nice. All right, So that's the

547
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: Frozen frost Fire Fair. Where are we going next? My friend?

548
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: As we as we load up the sleigh and prepare

549
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Speaker 1: to take off.

550
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like I don't know. What

551
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 2: do you want to do? You pick one?

552
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 1: Let's do our tribute to Vince GERALDI okay, I came

553
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,479
Speaker 1: up with this one, I know. In one episodisode we

554
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: certainly talked about the Charlie Brown Christmas Special and kind

555
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: of dabbled in this, but I wanted to just sort

556
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: of do a little tribute to the man himself, because boy,

557
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: oh boy, for my money, there's no better Christmas music

558
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: than the Charlie Brown Christmas Special vince Garaldi Jazz Trio.

559
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 2: I'm protective of that. I keep it at bay because

560
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 2: I don't ever want to get sick of it.

561
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't get sick of it, but I do

562
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: appreciate that because we both certainly cherish it.

563
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 2: Like I can't even listen to Journey anymore because I've

564
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 2: heard their songs too many times. I don't want the

565
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 2: Charlie Brown Christmas to become the new Journey.

566
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, who wants that?

567
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 2: Right? So let's talk about vince Garaldi, though, because if

568
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 2: you know of him from the Charlie Brown Christmas soundtrack,

569
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Speaker 2: you essentially are familiar with the vast majority of vince

570
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 2: Garaldi's work.

571
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, and big thanks to The New Yorker, specifically an

572
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: article from Ethan Iverson I think from twenty Seventeenish Piano

573
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: with Johnny dot com that's jo nn why and Unconservatory

574
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: dot org, who all had little bits and pieces about

575
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: the great vince Garaldi, who was born Vincent Anthony Dalaglio

576
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 1: in nineteen twenty eight and San Francisco.

577
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, his mom Carmela Divarce's biological father, Vincenzo Delaggio, and

578
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 2: married a guy named Tony Garaldi. Tony Garaldi adopted him,

579
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Speaker 2: and as a head tip and a thank you to Tony,

580
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 2: Vince said, let's change my last name, shall we? Guys?

581
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, is there ever a more Italian name

582
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: than Vincenzo de Laggio.

583
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 2: No, there really isn't.

584
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe Tony soprano.

585
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 2: So he he ended up. He actually wasn't very musically inclined.

586
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 2: I think he took some piano lessons, but it never

587
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 2: really got under his skin. When he was a kid,

588
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 2: his uncle's introduced him to jazz, and he was like eh,

589
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 2: And he didn't really start playing until he went to

590
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 2: San Francisco State University for.

591
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: A little while.

592
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 2: And then there was an interlude between that and them

593
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 2: really getting going playing the Korean War, where he served

594
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 2: as a cook in the army.

595
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: That's right, he went to the war. He came back and,

596
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: like you said, sort of started playing around a little jazz.

597
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: Clearly a talented guy, and he started going to these

598
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: jazz clubs in San Francisco, started playing wherever he could

599
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: little sort of I guess, not open mic, but open

600
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: key nights or whatever you would call those, and eventually

601
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: he got his first real gig, playing the intermissions during

602
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: Art Tatum shows at a club called the Blackhawk.

603
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Art Tatum, he was actually from Toledo. He was

604
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 2: a self taught piano virtuo so who was nearly blind.

605
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 2: He's great, and he was so his talent was so

606
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 2: intimidating that vince Garaldi later said working with him was

607
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 2: more than scary. I came close to giving up the instrument,

608
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 2: and I wouldn't have been the first after working around Tatum.

609
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty intimidating.

610
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he did not give up the instrument. Fortunately,

611
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 2: he went on to play with the likes of Cal Jader,

612
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 2: who who he was a vibraphone player who was into

613
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: Latin inflected jazz.

614
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's awesome, by the way, if you're into that

615
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: sort of Latin jazz thing. He's probably the most famous

616
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: non Latin Latin jazz guy. And the vibraphone is just

617
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: it's it's well, it's a vibe, it really is.

618
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 2: I love a good vibraphone. Jazz trio.

619
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, same.

620
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 2: He formed his own trio I think in nineteen fifty

621
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 2: five with a couple of friends, Eddie Durant and Dean Riley.

622
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 2: Now was that the all time vince Garaldi trio.

623
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Speaker 1: I don't know, because they're not the guys who played

624
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: on the Charlie Brown. So then I think there were

625
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: iterations of the vince Garaldi trio over the years.

626
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 2: Gotcha, So as he's starting to kind of pick up

627
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 2: steam in the fifties, he played the Hungry Eye in

628
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 2: San Francisco, He played with the big band leader Woody Herman,

629
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 2: got back together with Carl Jader for a little while,

630
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 2: and he was basically the leader of several different jazz groups.

631
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 2: The thing is, he would probably be in name among

632
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:05,239
Speaker 2: jazz cats and hepcats in San Francisco still today, but

633
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 2: it would probably be about the extent of his career

634
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 2: had he not created this one particular song called cast

635
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 2: Your Fate to the Wind. It's the other song that

636
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 2: he's known for, just a little threeish minute jazz song

637
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 2: from nineteen sixty two that he buried at the end

638
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 2: of a very odd album that he came up with.

639
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a movie in nineteen fifty nine a

640
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: French film called Black Orpheus, and what he did was

641
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: offer some sort of jazz arrangements of Brazilian music from

642
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: that movie, and it was called Jazz Impressions of Black Orpheus.

643
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: And like you said, he stuck cast your Fate to

644
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: the Wind here at the end it is I'm sure

645
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: you know the song right. It is an amazing jazz

646
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: tune and the bones of everything you know about that

647
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: Charlie Brown Christmas Special music is in cast your Fate

648
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: to the Wind. It's just this. I mean, I think

649
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: who was it that called it a breadth of fresh air?

650
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: I think that was the ultimate producer of the Charlie

651
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: Brown Christmas Special, Lee Mendelssohn.

652
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is where fate really steps in because

653
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: there was a San Francisco jazz show hosted by al

654
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: Jasbo collins Man, what a great nickname. And on this

655
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 2: show on KSFO, he would play vince Garaldi's stuff because

656
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: by this time, the early sixties, vince Garaldi was pretty

657
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 2: well known around San Francisco. And Lee Mendelssohn, who was

658
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 2: starting a documentary project on Charles Schultz that would ultimately

659
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 2: be called a boy named Charlie Brown, and he was

660
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 2: looking for somebody to compose the music for it, and

661
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 2: he heard cast Your Fate to the Wind and was like,

662
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 2: I think this.

663
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: Might be it. Yeah, that was it. He said, hey man,

664
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: you want to compose some music for this documentary? He said,

665
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: because they were both Bay Area guys, and he said, sure,

666
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: I'll do it. And he created an entire original piece

667
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: called Lenis and Lucy. That was the theme. And that

668
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: is the you know, the very famous sort of Charlie

669
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: Brown theme song that we all know and love.

670
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:01,719
Speaker 2: You do a little measure or two of it.

671
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: D oh wait, I gotta do my hand.

672
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 2: I'm dancing like in my arms in the air and

673
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: then down and then up. Then now you're supposed to

674
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 2: come in. That's very nice.

675
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: I can't keep doing that. People are about to tune out.

676
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 2: I think that was a great one. I'm sure everyone

677
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 2: who's ever heard that song is like, oh, yeah, that one.

678
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

679
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 2: A lot of people probably don't know it is Linus

680
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 2: and Lucy. I don't think of it. I just think

681
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 2: of it as like the Peanuts theme.

682
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, So he made Linus and Lucy. The documentary went

683
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: over and then Coca Cola came around and they said,

684
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: we want to do this Christmas special Charlie Brown Christmas

685
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: in spring sixty five, and so Giraldi was an obvious

686
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: choice to come back and record music. So he recycled

687
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: Linus and Lucy and also wrote Skating and Christmas Time

688
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: Is Here iconic.

689
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 2: Skating is one of the most beautiful songs of all time. Agreed, Yeah,

690
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 2: and like you said, when you when you hear cast

691
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: your fate to the wind, if you aren't familiar with that,

692
00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 2: you would immediately be like that sounds a lot like

693
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 2: the Peanuts guy. He had a style that was all

694
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 2: his own, that was instantly recognizable, and Charles Schultze even said, like, hey,

695
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 2: he's his music is really to be credited in a

696
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 2: large part for the success of the Charlie Brown Christmas specials.

697
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 2: If you've heard Christmas Time Is Here too, there's an

698
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 2: instrumental version that's all Giraldi, and then there's a well

699
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 2: another Garali version, but it has lyrics of the little

700
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 2: kids singing, and I guess Lee Mendelssohn basically did what

701
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 2: a producer does when he couldn't find a lyricist. He

702
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 2: just took the reins and did it himself.

703
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, apparently he was having trouble and he said he

704
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: wrote it in about fifteen minutes on the back of

705
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: an envelope. Pretty simple lyrics. But Vincecaraldy never went on

706
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,240
Speaker 1: to be known for a lot after this. His output

707
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: after that wasn't super famous. But you know, I think

708
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: it was Ethan Irison from that New Yorker article made

709
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 1: it a great point. He was like, you know, he

710
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: shouldn't be cast aside in the history of jazz. He

711
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: should very much be remembered because his really his effective

712
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: and efficient techniques on the piano. He called Charlie Brown

713
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: Christmas like a gateway drug for people who were never

714
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: into jazz before, and I think that kind of says

715
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: it best.

716
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he didn't have much time to grow as

717
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 2: a jazz musician after the Charlie Brown success because he

718
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 2: died ten years later in nineteen seventy six at age

719
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 2: forty seven.

720
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, but his music lives on.

721
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 2: The Charlie Brown Christmas album was voted into the Grammy

722
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame in two thousand and seven. The only

723
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 2: travesty with that is that it took so long, and

724
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 2: it's part of the Library of Congress's National Recording Registry culturally,

725
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 2: historically or sthetically important American sound recordings.

726
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: That's right. I wish we could play all of that

727
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: music today, but we can't because we don't want to

728
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 1: get sued.

729
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're probably already going to get sued just by humming.

730
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: Oh I doubt it. They've said. The judge would say,

731
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: now that was not recognizable. Is the work at hand dismissed.

732
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: Let's have a little jingle interlude of our own making

733
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 2: that's in the public domain, and we will head on

734
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 2: over to the dark of night in Wales.

735
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 1: How about that. Let's do it.

736
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,959
Speaker 2: Okay, Chuck, We're in Wales. It's dark, it's cold, it's

737
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 2: one of the twelve days of Christmas somewhere in there.

738
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 2: And we want to thank Alexandra Stock, who has sent

739
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: in plenty of ideas before she's sent this one in.

740
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 2: We also want to thank Museum Wales, Skynews and Wales

741
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 2: dot com for all the info about what's known as

742
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 2: the Mary Lloyd, which is not spelled like it sounds,

743
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 2: at least not the second part. It's Lwyd and that

744
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 2: is Welsh. It's Welsh's Welsh gits and it's a Christmas

745
00:36:54,719 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 2: tradition that clearly dates back to Celtic tradition. By the

746
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 2: purpose the point, all that stuff has been kind of

747
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 2: lost to history, but it's peculiar to Whales. You can't

748
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: find this anywhere else, and even in most parts of

749
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 2: Whales you're not going to find it these days. But

750
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 2: it still survives, and for good reason, because it's actually

751
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 2: a pretty cool little Christmas tradition for sure.

752
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: And here's how it goes down. On a certain night,

753
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: the Mauri Lloyd, which is a ghost horse, very pale

754
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: ghost horse, rides from house to house kind of looking

755
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: to be let in, looking for hospitality for people that

756
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: are in there enjoying their pumpkin spice, old fashions and

757
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: their apple ciders by the fireplace. But how it plays

758
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: out is it's a hobby horse. These men get together

759
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: it's a broomstick and they get covered in a white

760
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: sheet to form the body of the horse. They have

761
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: these colorful ribbons from the neck to form the neck

762
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: in the main, and then here's the most disturbing part

763
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: is I think sometimes it would be like paper machet

764
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: or wood or something like that, with like a hinge jaw,

765
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: so it looks like a horse's head, but in the

766
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: olden days, traditionally it was a real horse's skull.

767
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's frightening looking. If you see some old

768
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 2: timey mari Lloyd's that they're scary, And one of the

769
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 2: reasons why they're scary is they're supposed to represent like

770
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 2: death and spirits and being out in the cold in

771
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 2: the dark in winter. Right. But as scary as that sounds,

772
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 2: it's not like a crampus tradition where mari Lloyd's going

773
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 2: to come get you, like take you away and leave

774
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: you cold or something like that. It's in the tradition

775
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 2: of mummering, where caroling also came from going from house

776
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: to house, getting as drunk as you possibly can and

777
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: engaging in this kind of Christmas tradition, which is again

778
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 2: this is fairly peculiar. But the whole thing takes place

779
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 2: when the mari lloyd they're processing through the town essentially

780
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: a parade, and they go from house to house. When

781
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 2: they show up on the doorstep of a house, they

782
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 2: start seeinginging verse and they through the closed door and

783
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 2: on the other side of the door the family starts

784
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 2: singing verse back and essentially a verse battle goes back

785
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:12,919
Speaker 2: and forth between the two.

786
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a rap battle. The weirdest thing about this

787
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: is the door is closed, right, But I guess the

788
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: whole point of this thing is they go back and forth.

789
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: Sometimes it could take like an hour until one side

790
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 1: finally gives up. I guess they can. You know, they

791
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: can't come up with a new next line, or they're

792
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: too drunk to and they say, all right, you guys win.

793
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: So the reason the door is closed is because if

794
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: there is a victory by the mary Lloyd crew, and

795
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: they usually won, the whole point was to be invited

796
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: in after that. So that's why the door is shut.

797
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 2: Right. But again, the mary Lloyd is scary. It's death

798
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: that kind of thing. That's why the family's trying to

799
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 2: keep them out. But when they come in, they're like,

800
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,760
Speaker 2: here's some wastle, here's some rich crackers with the olive

801
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 2: on it. You know, they welcome them in, and the

802
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 2: mary Lloyd a role at that point is to run

803
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 2: around and like nip at the children and scare them

804
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 2: and maybe knock some stuff over. They might put the

805
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 2: fire out in the family's house. Just general mischief and revelry. Right,

806
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,720
Speaker 2: there's a BBC like five to six minute documentary showing

807
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: mary Lloyd. Well, it's called a Ponka pwnco That verse

808
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 2: battle take place, and it's the most stayed presentation you

809
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: can ever find. Like, if you just saw that, you'd

810
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 2: be like mary Lloyd seems like a very serious thing,

811
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,439
Speaker 2: it's not. It was again drunken revelry going from house

812
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 2: to house basically spreading the Christmas spirit and in return

813
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 2: for letting the mary Lloyd in you your house would

814
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 2: be blessed with good luck for the new year.

815
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: That's right, we're the mary Lloyd's and we came to say,

816
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: we came to bring you luck in the usual way.

817
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 2: I love fruity pebbles in a major way.

818
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. So in the end it turns out to be

819
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: a good party. I guess your home might get slightly wrecked,

820
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: but you got good luck. There are a couple of

821
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: theories about what that name actually means. One translation is

822
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: gray Mary, and it's a legend linking mary Lloyd to

823
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: the Nativity story and that it was a pregnant horse

824
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: that was in the stables where Mary is said to

825
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: have had Jesus. So they're like, we need some room

826
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: in here to have this very special baby. So I

827
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: know you're pregnant as well, horse, but hit the road. Yeah.

828
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 2: The horse is like I was here first.

829
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm also pregnant by the way.

830
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 2: And apparently the horse spent days trying to find a

831
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 2: place to have her full It's a very sad story. Yeah,

832
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 2: but it's Christian in origin, and a lot of people

833
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 2: are like, this is not a Christian tradition. This is

834
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 2: pagan as it gets. And there's the other translation of it,

835
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 2: the gray Mayor, And in Celtic and British mythology, the

836
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 2: gray Mayor or pale horse was of generated I guess

837
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 2: animal that could kind of cross over from this world

838
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 2: to the underworld fairly easily, which really kind of gets

839
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 2: across the whole horse skull and explains all that kind

840
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: of stuff.

841
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, you know what they say about the gray Mayor.

842
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 2: She's not what she used to be.

843
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: No, she ain't.

844
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 2: So this is a very old tradition probably, but it

845
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 2: saw its hating in the nineteenth century and in the

846
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 2: most delicious way, right.

847
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, But ironically, in trying to decry this thing that

848
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 1: was a Christian scholar saying like, you know, we can't

849
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: do this it, you know, like all things like the stress.

850
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: In effect, it brought more attention. They didn't call it

851
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: that then, but it brought more attention to it, and

852
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,439
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like how to manuals sprung up right.

853
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 2: And so finally, though that heyday in the nineteenth century

854
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 2: kind of died off. By the nineteen sixties, it was

855
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 2: totally gone. They think, like they don't think anyone was

856
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 2: celebrating it anymore. But some groups of merrymakers found out

857
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 2: about it or revived it, and it still goes on

858
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: today in a few different places. And apparently it's when

859
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 2: they do it. It's pretty big and pretty fun and

860
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 2: pretty rowdy and just colorful and not really scary at all.

861
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: I love it me too. Hats off whales, Hats off whales,

862
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: Hats off Tom Jones.

863
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 2: Mm see Welsh?

864
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that is name the singer with the Elvis hips.

865
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 2: Yeah he was Welsh.

866
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 1: Huh he's Welsh, baby, Okay, great.

867
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 2: All right, Chuck, we've arrived at the last piece, which

868
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Speaker 2: I love you found it and I think it's very

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Speaker 2: helpful and I love how it adds some like good

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Speaker 2: advice to this episode.

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Speaker 1: That's right, because everyone loves putting up If you celebrate

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Speaker 1: Christmas and you celebrate with a Christmas tree, you love

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Speaker 1: putting up those Christmas tree lights. But storing those things

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Speaker 1: and then unveiling them the next year can be a

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Speaker 1: real pain in.

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Speaker 2: The rump, a real drag, right.

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Speaker 1: That's right. So we're gonna tell you at least some

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Speaker 1: Internet source tips on how to properly store those Christmas

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Speaker 1: tree lights.

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Speaker 2: The first one, I like this one. It's complicated, but

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Speaker 2: it's cool. So you take a wrapping tube of Christmas

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Speaker 2: paper wrapping tube first, unroll the paper on end, throw

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Speaker 2: it away, and just take the tube and you make

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Speaker 2: a little notch in the end, one end of it

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Speaker 2: about an inch long, and you run the end of

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Speaker 2: the Christmas lights through and you stick your jam like

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Speaker 2: the plug and into that notch so it can't come out.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, well, I mean the plug goes into the

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Speaker 1: tube hole, right, and then you just pull the electrical

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Speaker 1: cord through that slit.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's another way to do it, sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: But then you take the lights and you start twisting them, twist, twist,

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Speaker 2: twist around the tube. Well, you twist the tube and

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Speaker 2: the lights kind of diagonally go around the tube, and

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Speaker 2: then you get to the end, cut another slit, put

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Speaker 2: the other plug end in, and there you go. You've

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Speaker 2: got one way to store Christmas lights. That seems pretty

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Speaker 2: great to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, depending on the length of your tube,

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Speaker 1: you might have to go back over the other way.

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Speaker 1: But the point is it's not getting wrapped and wrapped

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Speaker 1: and wrapped around each other. Maybe just like one overlap.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's one way. What about another way?

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Speaker 1: Well, this is I mean these are all fairly similar.

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Speaker 1: In this case, though, You're going to cut a rectangular

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Speaker 1: piece of cardboard from a box. You know, depending on

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Speaker 1: how big you want it, maybe eighteen inches by nine

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Speaker 1: inches okay, And this time you cut little square notches

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Speaker 1: about an inch from each end on both sides, and

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Speaker 1: those notches are going to do the same thing that

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Speaker 1: that slit did. They're going to secure that plug and

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Speaker 1: then you just wrap it around that section of cardboard box.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Like, if you've ever done any plumbing work or something,

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Speaker 2: sometimes whatever piece you're replacing, it'll come with a little

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Speaker 2: thing of teflon tape. It's the exact same thing in

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Speaker 2: miniature that we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, I like that one.

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Speaker 2: That's probably the one I would try of all these. Okay,

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Speaker 2: this one sounds really not super helpful. You use one

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Speaker 2: of those coffee caddies with the four little depressions for coffee,

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Speaker 2: and you stick the plug in through one of the

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Speaker 2: You know that each little hole or depression has some

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Speaker 2: slits in it. Yeah, you stick the plug in through that,

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Speaker 2: and you just start wrapping that guy over and over

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Speaker 2: and over again, rap, rap, rap, and then when you

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Speaker 2: reach the other plug in, you stick that through a

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Speaker 2: hole too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not too bad. This way is maybe a little

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Speaker 1: likelier to get tangled because you're wrapping it over itself

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Speaker 1: through the center of that thing, over and over.

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Speaker 2: Right, But what about what do you do? Chuck? I

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Speaker 2: think that's what the people want to hear.

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Speaker 1: Well, the Chuck method is very low fi. I found

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Speaker 1: that it works for me, may not work for you.

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Speaker 1: I take the lights off the tree and then I

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Speaker 1: lay them sort of out, one at a time on

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Speaker 1: the cow, which because the whole point of all of

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Speaker 1: this is you don't want those tangles, you know, that's

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Speaker 1: the biggest hassle of these things. Sure, they're kind of unwieldy.

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Speaker 1: And then I take that one of those little plastic

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Speaker 1: grocery bags that I'm about to go recycle, and instead

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Speaker 1: I just sort of bunch up that individual cord and

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Speaker 1: stick it in the bag. Each one gets its own bag.

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Speaker 1: As I said in this piece that I sent to you,

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Speaker 1: it sounds super yanky, but I found that it doesn't

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Speaker 1: really tangle when you take them back out, and they

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Speaker 1: pack really nice, you know, much nicer than these big

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Speaker 1: long tubes because you can just sort of flat pack

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Speaker 1: them in a bin and as long as they're each one.

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Speaker 1: The whole point is just to do one per bag

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Speaker 1: and to keep them separate. And when I unveil them,

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Speaker 1: they don't really get that tangly.

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Speaker 2: That's amazing. There's got to be some sort of fluid

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Speaker 2: dynamics or something at play that somebody could explain. But

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Speaker 2: I don't get how that works. But that's cool.

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Speaker 1: What's your method?

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I want to say, you didn't

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Speaker 2: say super yanky in the piece. It says JANKI af.

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Speaker 1: That's right, because I'm a hip kid.

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Speaker 2: My method is I follow two different methods. One, you

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Speaker 2: can just leave the lights up throughout the year and

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Speaker 2: just don't turn them on.

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Speaker 1: Until Christmas on the tree. Okay.

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Speaker 2: The second what I actually really do is I just

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Speaker 2: do that method where you have your you stick your

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Speaker 2: arm up at the elbow at a ninety degree angle.

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Speaker 2: You just kind of wrap from between your thumb and

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Speaker 2: forefinger across the palm through your elbow palm elbow, palm, elbow,

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Speaker 2: and you have to say that out loud while you're

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Speaker 2: doing it over and over again. It helps if people

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Speaker 2: are watching you while you say that too. And then

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Speaker 2: before you get to the end, maybe about six inches left,

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Speaker 2: you wrap that around the middle of that.

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Speaker 1: Com okay, and then like a like an extension cord style.

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Speaker 2: Precisely, as a matter of fact, that's probably the best

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Speaker 2: thing to call it. Extension cord style is what I do.

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Speaker 1: All right. I bet that works pretty good, huh, it does.

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Speaker 2: But I want to try yours.

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Speaker 1: It sounds fun, yeah, I mean, like I said, it's

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Speaker 1: pretty yanky. You can also, you know, we should point

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Speaker 1: out that they obviously sell all sorts of contrap and

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Speaker 1: storage devices for these now, but I don't know, just

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Speaker 1: be a little more fun. Come up with your own method.

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Speaker 1: Don't buy some other dumb thing.

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Speaker 2: No, as anyone who's ever done the holidays really knows

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Speaker 2: that's cheating. That's right, and that's it, everybody. That's the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five Stuff you Should Know holiday extravaganza special

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Speaker 2: of all time.

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Speaker 1: That's right. And as we say every year, you know,

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Speaker 1: whatever however you choose to celebrate your holiday this year,

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Speaker 1: we hope you're doing it right. We hope you're surrounded

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Speaker 1: by friends and loved ones. And it sounds trite to

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Speaker 1: say that if you're lonely this holiday season that we're

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Speaker 1: thinking about you, but we truly truly are, because this

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Speaker 1: can be a rough time of the year for some folks,

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Speaker 1: and so you know, we really think a lot about

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Speaker 1: those those situations this time of year.

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Speaker 2: That was very sweet, Chuck, Yeah, and everybody out there,

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Speaker 2: we hope you guys have a happy holidays, that it's safe.

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Speaker 2: That it's Mary Bright and all that jazz and from

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Speaker 2: us and Jerry and the whole stuff you should Know.

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Speaker 2: Crewe where you wish you a merry Christmas and a

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Speaker 2: happy New.

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