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Speaker 2: a variety of topics hard to top. Last week we
Speaker 2: were bringing it. But I might as well start. Oh,
Speaker 2: I might as well start with a very serious topic
Speaker 2: which is near and dear to me.
Speaker 3: How do you feel about this, that this is what
Speaker 3: you're going to be known for. Honest to god, how
Speaker 3: do you feel about it? I mean, it's now gotten
Speaker 3: to you know Lebron and shout out, Well, I'll let
Speaker 3: you set it up at your podcast.
Speaker 1: You set it up, but go ahead.
Speaker 2: Well Lebron reacted to it, and JJ Reddick reacted to it.
Speaker 2: So this started years ago. I think it was Tony.
Speaker 2: I was at the other place ESPN, and Tony Romo
Speaker 2: was doing something at the podium. And it's always been
Speaker 2: about the weekly Wednesday podium. When you're a franchise quarterback,
Speaker 2: I don't care if you're any other position. I don't
Speaker 2: care about off season. I care about the quarterback face
Speaker 2: of the franchise on a Wednesday podium, looking like you
Speaker 2: know you're the face of the franchise Because you are
Speaker 2: the coach on the field and the highest paid player usually.
Speaker 2: And so I said something about it. And Steve Spurrier
Speaker 2: was the college coach at South Carolina, and in his
Speaker 2: weekly media session he literally said, in his southern voice, Now,
Speaker 2: I was listening to a radio host, Colin Coward, say
Speaker 2: something here, Dan. I really agreed with him. And you know,
Speaker 2: he went on about it. He said, I kind of
Speaker 2: liked it, and I kind of agreed with it, and
Speaker 2: so I thought, see, I'm not that crazy. That's not
Speaker 2: a bad idea. So and I did it a couple
Speaker 2: more times. Now it's gotten a life of its own,
Speaker 2: and I think most people now, well I shouldn't say that.
Speaker 2: I think a big chunk of people sort of get
Speaker 2: I'm being theatrical and my outrage is somewhat manufactured.
Speaker 3: I don't, but if it comes from a real opinion,
Speaker 3: it is you have you have. The further along it's gone,
Speaker 3: the more, I don't want to say ridiculous, but you
Speaker 3: you it's become a thing I'm totally here for.
Speaker 1: But the and we we've talked with this once before, and.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna reiterate the point and actually tie it back
Speaker 3: to today's thing, which is, even if people vehemently disagree
Speaker 3: with you on the specifics of backwards hat for forwards hat, everyone,
Speaker 3: if they're being honest, should be able to admit we
Speaker 3: all have a backwards hat thing that makes us judge
Speaker 3: people like there is there So it can be as
Speaker 3: simple as, oh, that person who I thought was like
Speaker 3: a big time you know, powerbroker, Oh he doesn't match
Speaker 3: his belt to his shoes, like, oh, he's not as
Speaker 3: sophisticated as I thought, or again, I'm just making that up.
Speaker 3: So here's what I found so funny about today. I
Speaker 3: don't really give a shit that JJ Reddick was wearing
Speaker 3: a backwards hat at all. You know what, you know
Speaker 3: what happened today, though, that gave me another piece of
Speaker 3: evidence that said I would not hire JJ Reddick right
Speaker 3: now to be the head coach of Los Angeles Lakers.
Speaker 3: That he responded to the clip that to me was
Speaker 3: far more damning than his hat. It's like, buddy, you
Speaker 3: can't be three days ago I saw you on the
Speaker 3: Internet arguing with a San Francisco radio producer.
Speaker 1: Now you're watching.
Speaker 3: Clips of Howard talking about you loling it like, I
Speaker 3: just I don't think you're gonna go from that level
Speaker 3: of Internet, that engagement, maybe even searching your own name,
Speaker 3: all that stuff that people do, by the way, and
Speaker 3: I'm not judging them for it, but I don't think
Speaker 3: it'd be healthy to do as the head coach of
Speaker 3: Los Angeles Lakers, and I don't think you'd turn it
Speaker 3: off in a week.
Speaker 1: So I don't care about the hat.
Speaker 3: I care that he reacted to the clip, like I
Speaker 3: really do. And by the way, I wouldn't care at
Speaker 3: all if it was like a broadcaster, like just in
Speaker 3: his current job react to whatever you want, but a
Speaker 3: different job we're talking about now, which again, I don't
Speaker 3: think you would care about the backwards hat if it's
Speaker 3: just he's the NBA announcer, but if it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: you're gonna be the head coach of my team.
Speaker 1: So I get it. I actually get it. Well.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you don't think appearance matters, Your daughter's
Speaker 2: on the emergency table in a hospital and a surgeon
Speaker 2: came in in a suit and they put his white
Speaker 2: or a blue robot or a backwards hat, what would
Speaker 2: you prefer? Or your pilot on a plane came in
Speaker 2: or he has his hat backwards, which was a preferred
Speaker 2: a turbulent.
Speaker 3: Night well and so and I also think, you know,
Speaker 3: Lebron responded with two pictures and I wasn't sure who
Speaker 3: the first guy was because the second guy's Jason Kidd,
Speaker 3: and it's like, oh, he's done a great job. And
Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, but Jason Kidd also and JJ has
Speaker 3: this going for him as well, like you know, former athlete,
Speaker 3: former athlete turned coaches a little different, which is where
Speaker 3: I think JJ probably has more of a you know,
Speaker 3: margin prero here. But the other guy was like, who
Speaker 3: is that? And then we figured it out. It's the
Speaker 3: guy who owns the jazz Well. At some point, you like,
Speaker 3: you succeed out of hat like now, all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: you never have to wear a suit. Like I don't
Speaker 3: know if you watched the show Billions, but the may
Speaker 3: I know it's fictional, but the main character Bobby Axelrod,
Speaker 3: who was the billionaire he'd go to work, everyone's wearing
Speaker 3: a suit. He's wearing a Metallica T shirt. Because it's like, ah,
Speaker 3: I own the place. I kind of can like, yes,
Speaker 3: there is that element to it, but but I love it.
Speaker 3: I think it is my I mean, it is so
Speaker 3: funny that four times a year. I know, I'm like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: half of Colin's show is taken care of for no reason.
Speaker 3: And because there's always new people in the ecosystem, there
Speaker 3: are people who this is their first experience with you
Speaker 3: and backwards at and so they don't get any of
Speaker 3: again that not that it's a joke, but that this
Speaker 3: has been a twenty year thing, and those people replying
Speaker 3: are the best.
Speaker 1: They're like this guy.
Speaker 3: You got I mean, it is the best, and you
Speaker 3: don't have to explain the joke.
Speaker 1: Just let them go. It's it's the best.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you know, I as you know, I love football.
Speaker 2: I try never to take myself seriously. I think I
Speaker 2: laugh at myself all the time, but I do take
Speaker 2: my job seriously. But it is something now that's takes
Speaker 2: you know, It's got a life of its own. It
Speaker 2: didn't bother me, JJ Reddick responded, because JJ wasn't outraged
Speaker 2: by it. He was laughing at it.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: Steve Kerr, before he became big, was a hilariously funny,
Speaker 2: whip smart analyst. And you know, a couple of years
Speaker 2: later or a year later, he transitions from being kind
Speaker 2: of funny with Mike Breen to being a GM the
Speaker 2: most serious job in the world. So I think I
Speaker 2: think JJ's a really bright guy, and it doesn't bother
Speaker 2: me that people respond, but I do, like, you know,
Speaker 2: I've if I think if JJ walked up to me
Speaker 2: in a story, he'd be like, and I'd say the
Speaker 2: same thing. I'd be like, I really, I think you're
Speaker 2: really bright. I really like your work. And I think
Speaker 2: he'd probably laugh to and this to me, you know,
Speaker 2: I think about this all the time, is that my
Speaker 2: bones are are I think a little bit in like
Speaker 2: breaking an occasional story. Although I know what I am now,
Speaker 2: I'm a generalist, but I do think whether it's Nick Wright,
Speaker 2: Steven A. Smith, Me McAfee, whoever it is, Tony and Mike,
Speaker 2: you know, Will bon Corneiser, who whatever it is, shows
Speaker 2: should be a bit whimsical and fun.
Speaker 1: It is sports.
Speaker 2: Like I I don't watch outside of right near the election,
Speaker 2: a lot of political coverage because I think it's so
Speaker 2: exhausting and heavy and kind of mean spirited. So I
Speaker 2: think it's Oh, I always think it's okay, like your show,
Speaker 2: you don't you do. I wouldn't call them gabs, but
Speaker 2: you do not gags, but you do.
Speaker 3: We do a lot of ridiculous things on the front
Speaker 3: end and back end of what I consider smart analysis.
Speaker 3: That's right, like today he had you you thankful, by
Speaker 3: the way, thank you for doing it. Wild is out sick.
Speaker 3: So like the introt, we do nix tiers, which is
Speaker 3: you know people, some people call them power rankings. We
Speaker 3: do different things.
Speaker 1: What you know. Ours is a little different flavor to it.
Speaker 1: But we're not reinventing the wheel here. It's ordering teams.
Speaker 1: But on the front end of it, we have this
Speaker 1: whole giant introduction about how big of a deal it
Speaker 1: is and Wilds can do it. So we had you,
Speaker 1: the face of the network, come in just to do
Speaker 1: the intro ands out and then it's real analysis and
Speaker 1: it's fact ridiculousness. I do think it's important in sports
Speaker 1: to somebody else said this, by the way, this is
Speaker 1: not my thought, but they were smart. I wish I
Speaker 1: could give them credit. It is important to take sports seriously,
Speaker 1: but not yourself seriously. Like you got to give the audience.
Speaker 3: You can't act like the games don't matter, because the
Speaker 3: people who are watching really care. I care like the games.
Speaker 3: You can't you but you can't take yourself like. One
Speaker 3: thing that I appreciate about the way you do it
Speaker 3: is you have no loyalty to a previous opinion. You
Speaker 3: were like, I've got new I don't give I got
Speaker 3: new information. I changed my mind, and people will get mad,
Speaker 3: They'll be like, but you can't. It's like, well, I
Speaker 3: just did screw you. What are you gonna do about it?
Speaker 3: And so like it's just I'm not gonna act like
Speaker 3: what I said previously is gospel if I get new
Speaker 3: information on a thing, and so, you know, I think
Speaker 3: some people have trouble, you know what I mean, either
Speaker 3: taking it like it is life and death or just
Speaker 3: making a joke out of the whole thing, kind of
Speaker 3: trying to straddle that line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's it's you know, one of my
Speaker 2: favorite sayings I once heard in life. I really I
Speaker 2: try to live by it. Outline your life in pencil,
Speaker 2: not pen Shit changes when you get new information. Stockbrokers, doctors, pilots,
Speaker 2: comedians like something. Culturally, some things you can talk about
Speaker 2: today and then not tomorrow. That's right, right, Like comedians Now, oh,
Speaker 2: I can't use that term, that sentence, that word outline
Speaker 2: your comedy in pencil. You may have to shift because
Speaker 2: of some cultural changes. And again, if you're able to
Speaker 2: do that in life, you don't get angry much. You
Speaker 2: don't have a lot of grievance. I hear whenever I
Speaker 2: hear people say, you can't joke about this anymore? All right,
Speaker 2: change three words.
Speaker 1: Who cares?
Speaker 3: I'm glad you said that. I thought Seinfeld's thing yeah
Speaker 3: was such a cop out, and it was so weird
Speaker 3: coming from him, because buddy, the co creator of your show,
Speaker 3: Larry David just finished a twenty year run of I
Speaker 3: think the funniest show ever that made every inappropriate risk,
Speaker 3: whether it's about race, sex, gender, anything, that joke there
Speaker 3: was and it had never been more popular. You know
Speaker 3: what I mean that the idea that you that that
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, oh man, you can't make good
Speaker 3: content because the woke mob is going to cancel you.
Speaker 1: It's just not true.
Speaker 2: And I a deep deep I think a great example,
Speaker 2: oh deep was even more inappropriate.
Speaker 3: Yes, and so the herb right, that's my point. So signed,
Speaker 3: like Julia leaves sign, Field goes and does beep, Larry
Speaker 3: Leifsteinfeld goes and does curb. Two of the most inappropriate
Speaker 3: if you will. Mainstream shows ever, they get between them
Speaker 3: twenty seasons, a million.
Speaker 1: Times, wildly popular.
Speaker 3: And then it's like, oh, you can't do it. Everyone
Speaker 3: like I don't.
Speaker 1: I think that's a cop out. I think it's a
Speaker 1: cop out.
Speaker 3: Be funny, like the the thing is, And we've talked
Speaker 3: about this before, I think, and I think it's a
Speaker 3: good lesson for broadcasters, particularly talk radio guys, because especially
Speaker 3: local talk radio, there is you know, some train of thought,
Speaker 3: risk a stuff, whatever it is. But the rules always
Speaker 3: been the same. Man, the riskier the joke, the funnier
Speaker 3: it better be. There is all like I, you know,
Speaker 3: a decade ago before he had you know, some run
Speaker 3: ins and you know kind of went out of the mainstream.
Speaker 1: Louis c.
Speaker 3: K at the peak of his powers, on one of
Speaker 3: his specs, ends a special I'm pretty sure, like it's
Speaker 3: back to back to back punchlines of like kids dying
Speaker 3: because of a peanut allergy, slavery and something else, and
Speaker 3: every joke kills and it's like, Okay, he actually can
Speaker 3: make fun of those things because the jokes work. What
Speaker 3: you can't do is make a totally insensitive or risk
Speaker 3: a joke that is lowest common denominator, not funny, So like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you can still joke about really anything you want. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you better just have the skill to pull it off.
Speaker 3: And if you don't, then maybe color between the lines.
Speaker 3: We aren't good in trouble, but the best of the
Speaker 3: best can still say whatever they basically whatever they want
Speaker 3: to say, and the audience responds accordingly.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, I think John Mulaney's the funniest stand
Speaker 2: up I've ever seen in my life. I think Richard
Speaker 2: Pryor and Eddie Murphy. When I first saw them, I thought,
Speaker 2: that's the funniest thing I've ever seen. And then there's
Speaker 2: a lot of like Chris Rocks and a lot of
Speaker 2: great people.
Speaker 3: Repel's my favorite ever. I just discovered John mullaney six
Speaker 3: months ago. I didn't know who he was I Chicago.
Speaker 2: My wife flew me to Chicago to get seats A
Speaker 2: one and two at the United Center to watch mullany.
Speaker 2: She knows how much I love him. He absolutely killed.
Speaker 2: I've now seen all of his stuff. He's right now,
Speaker 2: like as we're recording this, doing a week of shows
Speaker 2: in La the.
Speaker 3: And he's he's brilliant. So like I was late to
Speaker 3: the party with him. He's absolutely great. By the way,
Speaker 3: good seats at a comedy show are a risky proposition, man,
Speaker 3: because you always risk about being becoming a part of
Speaker 3: the act. Like I guess with a special it's different,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, they're recording it. But my
Speaker 3: wife and I go to a lot of you know,
Speaker 3: one of the best things about New York City is
Speaker 3: there's great live comedy every night. So she and I
Speaker 3: go a lot. And sometimes when we get there, the
Speaker 3: folks there know me. You know, I sound like an asshole,
Speaker 3: but sometimes they're like, oh, they're like, oh, do you
Speaker 3: want seats up front? Like, no, do not like seats
Speaker 3: up front. Don't want to become a part of the act.
Speaker 3: Because also, particularly just you know, getting started stand up
Speaker 3: comics there, it's there is no lower hanging fruit than
Speaker 3: white guy, hot black girl. How long y'all been together? Oh,
Speaker 3: what's your story? Like, Nope, not into it. Not I
Speaker 3: am sitting in the back and watching. I Am not
Speaker 3: going to become a part of this show. But I
Speaker 3: love doing it. I love going Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. David Spade will call me once a year and say, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm at the comedy store in hermosa you want to
Speaker 2: get tickets, and I'm I'm always like, hey, if I
Speaker 2: see it, I don't I want I'll be behind the.
Speaker 1: Pole in the back right exact se.
Speaker 2: No, I think I disagreed with Seinfeld on that, and
Speaker 2: and I think deep curby your enthusiasm, David Chappelle. I mean,
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean you won't get pushback on a transgender joke.
Speaker 2: You're gonna get pushed back. But Chappelle delivers at such
Speaker 2: a high level.
Speaker 1: By the way, if.
Speaker 2: It wasn't for his his inappropriate personal behavior, Louis c
Speaker 2: K would still be a star.
Speaker 1: Right, That's the thing. So that's what's really bothered me.
Speaker 1: If we may, I don't know, you know, we can, Yeah,
Speaker 1: take your time. No, I just I I don't. I
Speaker 1: think there are a few instances, and maybe a few
Speaker 1: years ago it was really at a fever pitch in
Speaker 1: a way that was brief and subsided. But I think
Speaker 1: there was there has since been a conflation of cancelation
Speaker 1: and consequence. Like I think that Luis c K did
Speaker 1: it seems like some really inappropriate stuff and paid.
Speaker 3: Some content questions. Yeh, that is not Oh made a joke.
Speaker 3: People didn't like, and now they're pulling his stuff. The
Speaker 3: dude is a great actor. Kevin Spacey alleged to Douce
Speaker 3: I have done some really inappropriate stuff and faced consequences.
Speaker 3: That is not cancelation.
Speaker 1: That is a tale as.
Speaker 3: Old as time, which is you get caught doing illegal
Speaker 3: or nasty shit, you might get in trouble. Cancelation is
Speaker 3: would have been if Chappelle they were like, you're out,
Speaker 3: but they it's not what happened. Chappelle told you had
Speaker 3: told some jokes at the expense of the transgender community.
Speaker 3: Then I think got upset at how it was represented,
Speaker 3: so doubled and tripled down and by the way, still
Speaker 3: has specials stills on Netflix.
Speaker 1: So you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: There was pushback and there were certain people, and that's
Speaker 3: you know what's also always been allowed. I don't like
Speaker 3: you anymore because of something you said. I'm out watching you,
Speaker 3: and in fact, I'm gonna tell my friends not to
Speaker 3: watch you. That's also not being canceled. That is just
Speaker 3: how human beings work. I saw this play, it sucked.
Speaker 3: That's not canceling the play. That's saying you didn't like it,
Speaker 3: and so I'm not gonna act as if there wasn't
Speaker 3: a fever pitch at one point in time, like I
Speaker 3: get this person, I'll get that person out.
Speaker 1: But that was brief and subsided.
Speaker 3: But there should be consequences for bad behavior, and so
Speaker 3: I don't I thought, I think that there was a
Speaker 3: a overstatement of how many people get canceled for this,
Speaker 3: that or the third Like I don't, I don't. I
Speaker 3: didn't actually see that in my lived experiences.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think artists realize actors, musicians, comedians. I
Speaker 2: think if you're not stepping in it occasionally or or missing,
Speaker 2: then you're not expanding your art. Like I'm I'm not
Speaker 2: an artist, but I do think I go with a
Speaker 2: blank page for three hours sixty hours a month, live, unscripted,
Speaker 2: and if I step into it twice a year, okay,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 1: Exactly how I feel?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like my takeaway has always been, I mean, you
Speaker 2: think about this. So I just tried to watch the
Speaker 2: Seinfeld movie. Liked about the first fifteen minutes. You had
Speaker 2: all these really smart.
Speaker 1: This tart or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: Like Gaffigan and Seinfeld and Mennican Sebastian Menekowsko or Mascolo yep, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and just really really talented people.
Speaker 1: They had a year to.
Speaker 2: Work on this.
Speaker 4: It was not good.
Speaker 2: So I'm not going to lose sleep if I have
Speaker 2: a bad segment, right, And they had sixty people writing
Speaker 2: for the movie, right, So my take and Will Ferrell,
Speaker 2: who's brilliant Anchorman, elf his head bomb after bomb, it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. So my takeaway is if you are a comedian,
Speaker 2: a writer and artist, if you don't have a bad concert,
Speaker 2: if you're not expanding your art. So I don't a comedian.
Speaker 2: Richard Pryor probably had horrible shows and was mean spirited.
Speaker 2: That's why he's viewed as the most brilliant comedian ever.
Speaker 2: So I think that's what worries me when you have
Speaker 2: an avalanche and artists. And I think there was a
Speaker 2: really small window in that.
Speaker 1: I think there was. I think there was.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna act like it didn't exist, And I
Speaker 3: do think there was a thirst. I think there all
Speaker 3: of a sudden was a time where folks who had
Speaker 3: felt like they never had real power, all of a
Speaker 3: sudden had it and seemed to be like out for scalps,
Speaker 3: like right, you know what I mean, and retro like
Speaker 3: Chappelle did a whole thing where he's like talking about
Speaker 3: the audience, talking about the audience, like trying to go
Speaker 3: back in his archives to.
Speaker 1: Find something he said.
Speaker 3: And no, so I'm not gonna act like it never happened,
Speaker 3: but that not only did it subside, I think now
Speaker 3: it's swung in the other direction. Were any type of
Speaker 3: like it's common courtesy, like maybe don't use that word.
Speaker 1: They're like, you woke pussy.
Speaker 3: Like what it's like, okay, Like I don't like, I
Speaker 3: don't know, man like it just seems like it's just
Speaker 3: a lighte like I'm not and so I just I
Speaker 3: don't think we were that the time of where you know,
Speaker 3: the you say the wrong the wrong word accidentally and
Speaker 3: it's like, well, you lost your job this and I'll
Speaker 3: use I think a good example of it is a
Speaker 3: guy I've known for a long time, not well, but
Speaker 3: I've known him. I'm sure you know him too, Greg Doyle,
Speaker 3: who had the really the writer for at least no
Speaker 3: of him, had the unfortunate and awkward moment at the
Speaker 3: Caitlin Clark press conference. And did he have consequences? Yet
Speaker 3: it turns out he's been suspended two weeks. Do those
Speaker 3: feel a little harsh to me?
Speaker 1: Sure? But did he lose his job? Did he?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: What I mean was it was it was a and
Speaker 3: to me that was honestly less about like a PC
Speaker 3: thing and more about the newspaper wanting to make sure
Speaker 3: it maintains its relationship with the team that is now
Speaker 3: the hot team in town because they got Caitlin Clark
Speaker 3: and showing they take it seriously. Like I just think
Speaker 3: I don't have I don't go on the air worried like,
Speaker 3: oh boy, if I say the wrong thing here, it's
Speaker 3: gonna be you know, there's they're gonna be at the
Speaker 3: gates demanding that I'm that I'm run out of media
Speaker 3: like I just and I'm live like you, I'm live
Speaker 3: every day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, can I let me throw something at you with
Speaker 2: Kaitlin Clark, it's not really a pet pee, but it's
Speaker 2: something the media does with regularity, is that they protect
Speaker 2: people who don't need protecting. And it actually I think
Speaker 2: it's disrespectful. It's okay to I'll give you two, it's
Speaker 2: okay to say Aunt Edwards reminds you me of MJ.
Speaker 2: He doesn't need protecting. He leans into it the shrug stop.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have suspended Greg Doyle, although I thought it
Speaker 2: was really weird.
Speaker 1: It was weird, but and it's one of those things.
Speaker 2: If I made this, yeah, go ahead, if her name
Speaker 2: was Kevin Clark, no, and so that no, Hitlin doesn't
Speaker 2: need our protection. She is a strong, defiant, tough I mean,
Speaker 2: watch her in games. She is tough.
Speaker 3: So I so I the on the Greg thing, like
Speaker 3: I also, I think my reaction to that was colored
Speaker 3: by the fact that I do know Greg and I
Speaker 3: know like he's a well meaning kind of awkward like
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, if you've been around him,
Speaker 3: you can see, Oh, that wasn't spoke.
Speaker 1: He wasn't trying to be creepy. He's just, I.
Speaker 3: Think, well meaning but a little awkward at times. And
Speaker 3: that's what came across. That's what I know him a little.
Speaker 3: I thought the same if I but if you had
Speaker 3: never met him, you might be like, what the hell
Speaker 3: is you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Who is this guy? So there's the context of it.
Speaker 3: I so with Caitlyn, I think it's happened in a
Speaker 3: different way as far as protecting when she didn't need
Speaker 3: protecting the world, you know, when I shouldn't say. The
Speaker 3: world a big portion of the population really turned on
Speaker 3: Angel Reese in last year's title game because she taunted
Speaker 3: Caitlyn and there and that there was now there was
Speaker 3: a lot of racial dynamics there. She's big, she's bigger
Speaker 3: than Caitlyn, she's black. It's a lot of things led
Speaker 3: to Angel Reyes being the villain. But the fact of
Speaker 3: the matter is Caitlyn Clark was not bothered by it
Speaker 3: because Caitlyn Bark's a badass and was like, you know what,
Speaker 3: I'll do it back to you and I'll get you back.
Speaker 3: But there was some like, you know, because she was
Speaker 3: a woman, because she was a white woman. There are
Speaker 3: a lot of things where people were trying to, you know,
Speaker 3: put on the capes and rush to go save her
Speaker 3: when she.
Speaker 1: Didn't need the saving. Flatley didn't need the saving, like
Speaker 1: and so yeah, I think that's a I think that's
Speaker 1: a I think go ahead.
Speaker 2: I think the media is well meaning with Caitlin, but
Speaker 2: it is a very regular occurrence of protecting people who
Speaker 2: don't need to be protecting. And the ultimate respect for
Speaker 2: women's athletes is that Serena is Roger Feeder's equal emotionally
Speaker 2: and in her sport, she's his equal. We don't protect
Speaker 2: Roger Serena's remarkable. She's the greatest tennis player I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: She's the most dominant tennis player. I mean, I've been
Speaker 2: watching since Chris Everett, Billy gen King, I've never seen
Speaker 2: manage question.
Speaker 1: It's not even close. So that's right, and that is
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: So when we when during the NCAA tournament, all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, the women's conversation turned to the goat of
Speaker 3: women's sports and a weird or the goat of women's
Speaker 3: tennis in a weird way. I was like, this is
Speaker 3: a profound moment in the trajectory of women's sports because
Speaker 3: it is now popular enough that we are going to
Speaker 3: have the dumbest conversations about it, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 3: who's the goat of This is the dumbest, but it
Speaker 3: is also gets people riled up, people have opinions, And
Speaker 3: in my whole career leading up to that, we would
Speaker 3: only be talking about women's sports.
Speaker 1: In such like a bespoke way. It wouldn't be that.
Speaker 3: But now it's just like sports, like, hey, is she
Speaker 3: the best? Is she gonna suck as a rookie, like
Speaker 3: it's just regular stupid sports talk. Like I think that
Speaker 3: what I'm really interested now. I happen to think Caitlin
Speaker 3: is going to immediately be awesome in the WNBA.
Speaker 1: Same if she's not.
Speaker 3: I think it will be patronizing and insulting if people
Speaker 3: don't ripper. I know that sounds ridiculous, but same if
Speaker 3: if you come into the like if you in men's sports,
Speaker 3: if you are this super nova and you come in
Speaker 3: and fall flat, nobody's putting. Nobody's treating you like a
Speaker 3: high school athlete like you know they are, and so
Speaker 3: there is a level of like this sounds silly, but
Speaker 3: equality of criticism that I think that that I do
Speaker 3: think now is going to come to the w NBA
Speaker 3: like I do.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think it's going to be a.
Speaker 3: Direct, straight linear growth, but I do think they now
Speaker 3: have enough star power that it is going to be
Speaker 3: a topic. Like I think Caitlin, how well she does,
Speaker 3: is going to be on our show.
Speaker 2: Isn't Isn't it the ultimate sign of respect? They say
Speaker 2: that's about people in Boston. When a Boston guy pitches
Speaker 2: your shit, you're part of the club. Yes, that's right,
Speaker 2: exactly right, No, that's right.
Speaker 3: When you don't and I think this is if we
Speaker 3: can you know again me and er further, I think
Speaker 3: this is probably something I don't know this obviously, but
Speaker 3: I'm a smart guy.
Speaker 1: I bet it's true. I think it's probably something women
Speaker 1: outside of sports deal with as a hurdle to their
Speaker 1: growth in male dominated businesses, in executive spaces, which is,
Speaker 1: the guys feel comfortable going out for drinks and busting
Speaker 1: chops with the other guys, which creates a camaraderie and
Speaker 1: a relationship and you know what I mean, a kinship
Speaker 1: outside of work. And I'm sure there's a lot of
Speaker 1: women like man I get.
Speaker 3: Left out of that because you know, they're trying to
Speaker 3: be polite or you know, whatever it is. But it
Speaker 3: actually prevents my ability to really be fully included and
Speaker 3: to potentially move up the way people move up through relationships.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think you use the word patronizing.
Speaker 2: I think the WNBA will arrive. I mean, it only
Speaker 2: had seven hundred thousand people watch the WNBA finals. That's
Speaker 2: not as good as the UFL. It will arrive this year,
Speaker 2: and it will arrive because the discussions will be authentic
Speaker 2: and critical, not flowery and protective, and I'm looking forward
Speaker 2: to it. I've said this, I think I told my
Speaker 2: audience this today is I always think fewer games is better,
Speaker 2: and I don't love the NFL going to seventeen games
Speaker 2: and very quickly eighteen. But I think they will get
Speaker 2: a second bye week, which is fair and the players
Speaker 2: will love. But here's how I view it. So July
Speaker 2: and August are dead. That's the vacation time for us.
Speaker 2: So the football season now will be Labor.
Speaker 4: Day to President's Weekend, will do a week talking about it,
Speaker 4: will take a vacation, all come back on March third
Speaker 4: into March madness and free agency, quickly into the draft,
Speaker 4: into the NBA playoffs.
Speaker 1: So my take is, if you can.
Speaker 2: Give me if the WNBA becomes a topic, and I
Speaker 2: think it will be with Caitlin Clark, you're expanding my football.
Speaker 1: I now get a new topic.
Speaker 2: So I'm rooting for Caitlin Clark because selfishly, if I
Speaker 2: get eight to twelve on slow days or days I
Speaker 2: have opening, not in the middle of the NFL season,
Speaker 2: You're giving me Caitlin Clark topics. I try to get
Speaker 2: Candas Parker on my show today. I am for it.
Speaker 1: The volume.
Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to part one of the conversations with Nick.
Speaker 1: Don't forget to check back for part two.