1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:02,160 Speaker 1: The volume. 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 2: All right, Nick Wright's about to stop by. Every couple 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 2: of weeks he comes on. Chop it up for about 4 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 2: an hour. And before you do that, listen to Nick Wright. 5 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 2: And before he does that, grab your phone and download 6 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 2: the game Time app. You know, the drill takes about 7 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 2: ninety seconds. Authorized ticket marketplace a pro Basketball which makes 8 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 2: getting playoff tickets even easier. You can get them last second, 9 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 2: which is great because sometimes I've done this. 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The game Time app takes the guesswork out 21 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 2: of buying professional basketball tickets. You don't want to go 22 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,559 Speaker 2: there without the tickets. Right, download game Time Today, last 23 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 2: minute deals, lowest prices guaranteed coach col I n twenty 24 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 2: bucks off first purchase. All right, we do this every 25 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 2: couple of weeks on the Colin Coward podcast. We bring 26 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 2: in my buddy Nick. Right, we chop it up on 27 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 2: a variety of topics hard to top. Last week we 28 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 2: were bringing it. But I might as well start. Oh, 29 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: I might as well start with a very serious topic 30 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 2: which is near and dear to me. 31 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 3: How do you feel about this, that this is what 32 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 3: you're going to be known for. Honest to god, how 33 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 3: do you feel about it? I mean, it's now gotten 34 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 3: to you know Lebron and shout out, Well, I'll let 35 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 3: you set it up at your podcast. 36 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: You set it up, but go ahead. 37 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 2: Well Lebron reacted to it, and JJ Reddick reacted to it. 38 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 2: So this started years ago. I think it was Tony. 39 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: I was at the other place ESPN, and Tony Romo 40 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 2: was doing something at the podium. And it's always been 41 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 2: about the weekly Wednesday podium. When you're a franchise quarterback, 42 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 2: I don't care if you're any other position. I don't 43 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 2: care about off season. I care about the quarterback face 44 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 2: of the franchise on a Wednesday podium, looking like you 45 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 2: know you're the face of the franchise Because you are 46 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: the coach on the field and the highest paid player usually. 47 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 2: And so I said something about it. And Steve Spurrier 48 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 2: was the college coach at South Carolina, and in his 49 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 2: weekly media session he literally said, in his southern voice, Now, 50 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 2: I was listening to a radio host, Colin Coward, say 51 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 2: something here, Dan. I really agreed with him. And you know, 52 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 2: he went on about it. He said, I kind of 53 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 2: liked it, and I kind of agreed with it, and 54 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 2: so I thought, see, I'm not that crazy. That's not 55 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 2: a bad idea. So and I did it a couple 56 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 2: more times. Now it's gotten a life of its own, 57 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 2: and I think most people now, well I shouldn't say that. 58 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 2: I think a big chunk of people sort of get 59 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 2: I'm being theatrical and my outrage is somewhat manufactured. 60 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 3: I don't, but if it comes from a real opinion, 61 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 3: it is you have you have. The further along it's gone, 62 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 3: the more, I don't want to say ridiculous, but you 63 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 3: you it's become a thing I'm totally here for. 64 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: But the and we we've talked with this once before, and. 65 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 3: I'm gonna reiterate the point and actually tie it back 66 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 3: to today's thing, which is, even if people vehemently disagree 67 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 3: with you on the specifics of backwards hat for forwards hat, everyone, 68 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 3: if they're being honest, should be able to admit we 69 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 3: all have a backwards hat thing that makes us judge 70 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 3: people like there is there So it can be as 71 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 3: simple as, oh, that person who I thought was like 72 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 3: a big time you know, powerbroker, Oh he doesn't match 73 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 3: his belt to his shoes, like, oh, he's not as 74 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 3: sophisticated as I thought, or again, I'm just making that up. 75 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 3: So here's what I found so funny about today. I 76 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 3: don't really give a shit that JJ Reddick was wearing 77 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 3: a backwards hat at all. You know what, you know 78 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 3: what happened today, though, that gave me another piece of 79 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 3: evidence that said I would not hire JJ Reddick right 80 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 3: now to be the head coach of Los Angeles Lakers. 81 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 3: That he responded to the clip that to me was 82 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 3: far more damning than his hat. It's like, buddy, you 83 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 3: can't be three days ago I saw you on the 84 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 3: Internet arguing with a San Francisco radio producer. 85 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: Now you're watching. 86 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 3: Clips of Howard talking about you loling it like, I 87 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 3: just I don't think you're gonna go from that level 88 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 3: of Internet, that engagement, maybe even searching your own name, 89 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 3: all that stuff that people do, by the way, and 90 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 3: I'm not judging them for it, but I don't think 91 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 3: it'd be healthy to do as the head coach of 92 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 3: Los Angeles Lakers, and I don't think you'd turn it 93 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 3: off in a week. 94 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: So I don't care about the hat. 95 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 3: I care that he reacted to the clip, like I 96 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 3: really do. And by the way, I wouldn't care at 97 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 3: all if it was like a broadcaster, like just in 98 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 3: his current job react to whatever you want, but a 99 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 3: different job we're talking about now, which again, I don't 100 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 3: think you would care about the backwards hat if it's 101 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 3: just he's the NBA announcer, but if it's like, oh, 102 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:35,239 Speaker 3: you're gonna be the head coach of my team. 103 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,119 Speaker 1: So I get it. I actually get it. Well. 104 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 2: I mean, if you don't think appearance matters, Your daughter's 105 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 2: on the emergency table in a hospital and a surgeon 106 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 2: came in in a suit and they put his white 107 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 2: or a blue robot or a backwards hat, what would 108 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 2: you prefer? Or your pilot on a plane came in 109 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 2: or he has his hat backwards, which was a preferred 110 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 2: a turbulent. 111 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 3: Night well and so and I also think, you know, 112 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 3: Lebron responded with two pictures and I wasn't sure who 113 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 3: the first guy was because the second guy's Jason Kidd, 114 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 3: and it's like, oh, he's done a great job. And 115 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, but Jason Kidd also and JJ has 116 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 3: this going for him as well, like you know, former athlete, 117 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 3: former athlete turned coaches a little different, which is where 118 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 3: I think JJ probably has more of a you know, 119 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 3: margin prero here. But the other guy was like, who 120 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 3: is that? And then we figured it out. It's the 121 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 3: guy who owns the jazz Well. At some point, you like, 122 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 3: you succeed out of hat like now, all of a sudden, 123 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 3: you never have to wear a suit. Like I don't 124 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 3: know if you watched the show Billions, but the may 125 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 3: I know it's fictional, but the main character Bobby Axelrod, 126 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 3: who was the billionaire he'd go to work, everyone's wearing 127 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 3: a suit. He's wearing a Metallica T shirt. Because it's like, ah, 128 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 3: I own the place. I kind of can like, yes, 129 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 3: there is that element to it, but but I love it. 130 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 3: I think it is my I mean, it is so 131 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 3: funny that four times a year. I know, I'm like, oh, well, 132 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 3: half of Colin's show is taken care of for no reason. 133 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 3: And because there's always new people in the ecosystem, there 134 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 3: are people who this is their first experience with you 135 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 3: and backwards at and so they don't get any of 136 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 3: again that not that it's a joke, but that this 137 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 3: has been a twenty year thing, and those people replying 138 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 3: are the best. 139 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: They're like this guy. 140 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 3: You got I mean, it is the best, and you 141 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 3: don't have to explain the joke. 142 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: Just let them go. It's it's the best. 143 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you know, I as you know, I love football. 144 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 2: I try never to take myself seriously. I think I 145 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 2: laugh at myself all the time, but I do take 146 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 2: my job seriously. But it is something now that's takes 147 00:07:57,760 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 2: you know, It's got a life of its own. It 148 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 2: didn't bother me, JJ Reddick responded, because JJ wasn't outraged 149 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 2: by it. He was laughing at it. 150 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: Yes. 151 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 2: Steve Kerr, before he became big, was a hilariously funny, 152 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 2: whip smart analyst. And you know, a couple of years 153 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 2: later or a year later, he transitions from being kind 154 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 2: of funny with Mike Breen to being a GM the 155 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 2: most serious job in the world. So I think I 156 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 2: think JJ's a really bright guy, and it doesn't bother 157 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 2: me that people respond, but I do, like, you know, 158 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 2: I've if I think if JJ walked up to me 159 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 2: in a story, he'd be like, and I'd say the 160 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 2: same thing. I'd be like, I really, I think you're 161 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 2: really bright. I really like your work. And I think 162 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 2: he'd probably laugh to and this to me, you know, 163 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 2: I think about this all the time, is that my 164 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 2: bones are are I think a little bit in like 165 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 2: breaking an occasional story. Although I know what I am now, 166 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 2: I'm a generalist, but I do think whether it's Nick Wright, 167 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 2: Steven A. Smith, Me McAfee, whoever it is, Tony and Mike, 168 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 2: you know, Will bon Corneiser, who whatever it is, shows 169 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 2: should be a bit whimsical and fun. 170 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: It is sports. 171 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 2: Like I I don't watch outside of right near the election, 172 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 2: a lot of political coverage because I think it's so 173 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 2: exhausting and heavy and kind of mean spirited. So I 174 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 2: think it's Oh, I always think it's okay, like your show, 175 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 2: you don't you do. I wouldn't call them gabs, but 176 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 2: you do not gags, but you do. 177 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 3: We do a lot of ridiculous things on the front 178 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 3: end and back end of what I consider smart analysis. 179 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 3: That's right, like today he had you you thankful, by 180 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 3: the way, thank you for doing it. Wild is out sick. 181 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 3: So like the introt, we do nix tiers, which is 182 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 3: you know people, some people call them power rankings. We 183 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 3: do different things. 184 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: What you know. Ours is a little different flavor to it. 185 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: But we're not reinventing the wheel here. It's ordering teams. 186 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: But on the front end of it, we have this 187 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: whole giant introduction about how big of a deal it 188 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: is and Wilds can do it. So we had you, 189 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: the face of the network, come in just to do 190 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 1: the intro ands out and then it's real analysis and 191 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: it's fact ridiculousness. I do think it's important in sports 192 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: to somebody else said this, by the way, this is 193 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: not my thought, but they were smart. I wish I 194 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: could give them credit. It is important to take sports seriously, 195 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 1: but not yourself seriously. Like you got to give the audience. 196 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 3: You can't act like the games don't matter, because the 197 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 3: people who are watching really care. I care like the games. 198 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 3: You can't you but you can't take yourself like. One 199 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 3: thing that I appreciate about the way you do it 200 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 3: is you have no loyalty to a previous opinion. You 201 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 3: were like, I've got new I don't give I got 202 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 3: new information. I changed my mind, and people will get mad, 203 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 3: They'll be like, but you can't. It's like, well, I 204 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 3: just did screw you. What are you gonna do about it? 205 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 3: And so like it's just I'm not gonna act like 206 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 3: what I said previously is gospel if I get new 207 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 3: information on a thing, and so, you know, I think 208 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 3: some people have trouble, you know what I mean, either 209 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 3: taking it like it is life and death or just 210 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 3: making a joke out of the whole thing, kind of 211 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 3: trying to straddle that line. 212 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's it's you know, one of my 213 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 2: favorite sayings I once heard in life. I really I 214 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,359 Speaker 2: try to live by it. Outline your life in pencil, 215 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 2: not pen Shit changes when you get new information. Stockbrokers, doctors, pilots, 216 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 2: comedians like something. Culturally, some things you can talk about 217 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 2: today and then not tomorrow. That's right, right, Like comedians Now, oh, 218 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 2: I can't use that term, that sentence, that word outline 219 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 2: your comedy in pencil. You may have to shift because 220 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 2: of some cultural changes. And again, if you're able to 221 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 2: do that in life, you don't get angry much. You 222 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 2: don't have a lot of grievance. I hear whenever I 223 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 2: hear people say, you can't joke about this anymore? All right, 224 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 2: change three words. 225 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: Who cares? 226 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 3: I'm glad you said that. I thought Seinfeld's thing yeah 227 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 3: was such a cop out, and it was so weird 228 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 3: coming from him, because buddy, the co creator of your show, 229 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 3: Larry David just finished a twenty year run of I 230 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 3: think the funniest show ever that made every inappropriate risk, 231 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 3: whether it's about race, sex, gender, anything, that joke there 232 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 3: was and it had never been more popular. You know 233 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 3: what I mean that the idea that you that that 234 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 3: all of a sudden, oh man, you can't make good 235 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 3: content because the woke mob is going to cancel you. 236 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: It's just not true. 237 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 2: And I a deep deep I think a great example, 238 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 2: oh deep was even more inappropriate. 239 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 3: Yes, and so the herb right, that's my point. So signed, 240 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 3: like Julia leaves sign, Field goes and does beep, Larry 241 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 3: Leifsteinfeld goes and does curb. Two of the most inappropriate 242 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 3: if you will. Mainstream shows ever, they get between them 243 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 3: twenty seasons, a million. 244 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: Times, wildly popular. 245 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 3: And then it's like, oh, you can't do it. Everyone 246 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 3: like I don't. 247 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: I think that's a cop out. I think it's a 248 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: cop out. 249 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 3: Be funny, like the the thing is, And we've talked 250 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 3: about this before, I think, and I think it's a 251 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 3: good lesson for broadcasters, particularly talk radio guys, because especially 252 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 3: local talk radio, there is you know, some train of thought, 253 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 3: risk a stuff, whatever it is. But the rules always 254 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 3: been the same. Man, the riskier the joke, the funnier 255 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 3: it better be. There is all like I, you know, 256 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 3: a decade ago before he had you know, some run 257 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 3: ins and you know kind of went out of the mainstream. 258 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 1: Louis c. 259 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 3: K at the peak of his powers, on one of 260 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 3: his specs, ends a special I'm pretty sure, like it's 261 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 3: back to back to back punchlines of like kids dying 262 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 3: because of a peanut allergy, slavery and something else, and 263 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 3: every joke kills and it's like, Okay, he actually can 264 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 3: make fun of those things because the jokes work. What 265 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 3: you can't do is make a totally insensitive or risk 266 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 3: a joke that is lowest common denominator, not funny, So like, yeah, 267 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 3: you can still joke about really anything you want. Yeah, 268 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 3: you better just have the skill to pull it off. 269 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 3: And if you don't, then maybe color between the lines. 270 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 3: We aren't good in trouble, but the best of the 271 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 3: best can still say whatever they basically whatever they want 272 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 3: to say, and the audience responds accordingly. 273 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 2: In my opinion, I think John Mulaney's the funniest stand 274 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 2: up I've ever seen in my life. I think Richard 275 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 2: Pryor and Eddie Murphy. When I first saw them, I thought, 276 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 2: that's the funniest thing I've ever seen. And then there's 277 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 2: a lot of like Chris Rocks and a lot of 278 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 2: great people. 279 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 3: Repel's my favorite ever. I just discovered John mullaney six 280 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 3: months ago. I didn't know who he was I Chicago. 281 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 2: My wife flew me to Chicago to get seats A 282 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 2: one and two at the United Center to watch mullany. 283 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 2: She knows how much I love him. He absolutely killed. 284 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 2: I've now seen all of his stuff. He's right now, 285 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 2: like as we're recording this, doing a week of shows 286 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 2: in La the. 287 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 3: And he's he's brilliant. So like I was late to 288 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 3: the party with him. He's absolutely great. By the way, 289 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 3: good seats at a comedy show are a risky proposition, man, 290 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 3: because you always risk about being becoming a part of 291 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 3: the act. Like I guess with a special it's different, 292 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, they're recording it. But my 293 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 3: wife and I go to a lot of you know, 294 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 3: one of the best things about New York City is 295 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 3: there's great live comedy every night. So she and I 296 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 3: go a lot. And sometimes when we get there, the 297 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 3: folks there know me. You know, I sound like an asshole, 298 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 3: but sometimes they're like, oh, they're like, oh, do you 299 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 3: want seats up front? Like, no, do not like seats 300 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 3: up front. Don't want to become a part of the act. 301 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 3: Because also, particularly just you know, getting started stand up 302 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 3: comics there, it's there is no lower hanging fruit than 303 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 3: white guy, hot black girl. How long y'all been together? Oh, 304 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 3: what's your story? Like, Nope, not into it. Not I 305 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 3: am sitting in the back and watching. I Am not 306 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 3: going to become a part of this show. But I 307 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 3: love doing it. I love going Yeah. 308 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. David Spade will call me once a year and say, hey, 309 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 2: I'm at the comedy store in hermosa you want to 310 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 2: get tickets, and I'm I'm always like, hey, if I 311 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 2: see it, I don't I want I'll be behind the. 312 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: Pole in the back right exact se. 313 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 2: No, I think I disagreed with Seinfeld on that, and 314 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 2: and I think deep curby your enthusiasm, David Chappelle. I mean, 315 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 2: that doesn't mean you won't get pushback on a transgender joke. 316 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 2: You're gonna get pushed back. But Chappelle delivers at such 317 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 2: a high level. 318 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 1: By the way, if. 319 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 2: It wasn't for his his inappropriate personal behavior, Louis c 320 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 2: K would still be a star. 321 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,199 Speaker 1: Right, That's the thing. So that's what's really bothered me. 322 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 1: If we may, I don't know, you know, we can, Yeah, 323 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: take your time. No, I just I I don't. I 324 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: think there are a few instances, and maybe a few 325 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: years ago it was really at a fever pitch in 326 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 1: a way that was brief and subsided. But I think 327 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: there was there has since been a conflation of cancelation 328 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: and consequence. Like I think that Luis c K did 329 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: it seems like some really inappropriate stuff and paid. 330 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 3: Some content questions. Yeh, that is not Oh made a joke. 331 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 3: People didn't like, and now they're pulling his stuff. The 332 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 3: dude is a great actor. Kevin Spacey alleged to Douce 333 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 3: I have done some really inappropriate stuff and faced consequences. 334 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 3: That is not cancelation. 335 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 1: That is a tale as. 336 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,719 Speaker 3: Old as time, which is you get caught doing illegal 337 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 3: or nasty shit, you might get in trouble. Cancelation is 338 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 3: would have been if Chappelle they were like, you're out, 339 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 3: but they it's not what happened. Chappelle told you had 340 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 3: told some jokes at the expense of the transgender community. 341 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 3: Then I think got upset at how it was represented, 342 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 3: so doubled and tripled down and by the way, still 343 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 3: has specials stills on Netflix. 344 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 1: So you know what I mean. 345 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 3: There was pushback and there were certain people, and that's 346 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 3: you know what's also always been allowed. I don't like 347 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 3: you anymore because of something you said. I'm out watching you, 348 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 3: and in fact, I'm gonna tell my friends not to 349 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 3: watch you. That's also not being canceled. That is just 350 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 3: how human beings work. I saw this play, it sucked. 351 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,640 Speaker 3: That's not canceling the play. That's saying you didn't like it, 352 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 3: and so I'm not gonna act as if there wasn't 353 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 3: a fever pitch at one point in time, like I 354 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 3: get this person, I'll get that person out. 355 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 1: But that was brief and subsided. 356 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 3: But there should be consequences for bad behavior, and so 357 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 3: I don't I thought, I think that there was a 358 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 3: a overstatement of how many people get canceled for this, 359 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,719 Speaker 3: that or the third Like I don't, I don't. I 360 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 3: didn't actually see that in my lived experiences. 361 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think artists realize actors, musicians, comedians. I 362 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 2: think if you're not stepping in it occasionally or or missing, 363 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 2: then you're not expanding your art. Like I'm I'm not 364 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 2: an artist, but I do think I go with a 365 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 2: blank page for three hours sixty hours a month, live, unscripted, 366 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 2: and if I step into it twice a year, okay, 367 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 2: all right. 368 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: Exactly how I feel? 369 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like my takeaway has always been, I mean, you 370 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 2: think about this. So I just tried to watch the 371 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 2: Seinfeld movie. Liked about the first fifteen minutes. You had 372 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:20,360 Speaker 2: all these really smart. 373 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: This tart or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's. 374 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 2: Like Gaffigan and Seinfeld and Mennican Sebastian Menekowsko or Mascolo yep, yeah, yeah, 375 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 2: and just really really talented people. 376 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: They had a year to. 377 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 2: Work on this. 378 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 4: It was not good. 379 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:41,439 Speaker 2: So I'm not going to lose sleep if I have 380 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 2: a bad segment, right, And they had sixty people writing 381 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 2: for the movie, right, So my take and Will Ferrell, 382 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 2: who's brilliant Anchorman, elf his head bomb after bomb, it 383 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 2: doesn't matter. So my takeaway is if you are a comedian, 384 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 2: a writer and artist, if you don't have a bad concert, 385 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 2: if you're not expanding your art. So I don't a comedian. 386 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 2: Richard Pryor probably had horrible shows and was mean spirited. 387 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 2: That's why he's viewed as the most brilliant comedian ever. 388 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 2: So I think that's what worries me when you have 389 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 2: an avalanche and artists. And I think there was a 390 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 2: really small window in that. 391 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: I think there was. I think there was. 392 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna act like it didn't exist, And I 393 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,360 Speaker 3: do think there was a thirst. I think there all 394 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 3: of a sudden was a time where folks who had 395 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 3: felt like they never had real power, all of a 396 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 3: sudden had it and seemed to be like out for scalps, 397 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 3: like right, you know what I mean, and retro like 398 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 3: Chappelle did a whole thing where he's like talking about 399 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 3: the audience, talking about the audience, like trying to go 400 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 3: back in his archives to. 401 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: Find something he said. 402 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 3: And no, so I'm not gonna act like it never happened, 403 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 3: but that not only did it subside, I think now 404 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 3: it's swung in the other direction. Were any type of 405 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 3: like it's common courtesy, like maybe don't use that word. 406 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: They're like, you woke pussy. 407 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 3: Like what it's like, okay, Like I don't like, I 408 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 3: don't know, man like it just seems like it's just 409 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 3: a lighte like I'm not and so I just I 410 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 3: don't think we were that the time of where you know, 411 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 3: the you say the wrong the wrong word accidentally and 412 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 3: it's like, well, you lost your job this and I'll 413 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 3: use I think a good example of it is a 414 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 3: guy I've known for a long time, not well, but 415 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,879 Speaker 3: I've known him. I'm sure you know him too, Greg Doyle, 416 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 3: who had the really the writer for at least no 417 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 3: of him, had the unfortunate and awkward moment at the 418 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 3: Caitlin Clark press conference. And did he have consequences? Yet 419 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 3: it turns out he's been suspended two weeks. Do those 420 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 3: feel a little harsh to me? 421 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: Sure? But did he lose his job? Did he? 422 00:22:59,480 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 2: You know? 423 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 3: What I mean was it was it was a and 424 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 3: to me that was honestly less about like a PC 425 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 3: thing and more about the newspaper wanting to make sure 426 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 3: it maintains its relationship with the team that is now 427 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 3: the hot team in town because they got Caitlin Clark 428 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 3: and showing they take it seriously. Like I just think 429 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 3: I don't have I don't go on the air worried like, 430 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 3: oh boy, if I say the wrong thing here, it's 431 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 3: gonna be you know, there's they're gonna be at the 432 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 3: gates demanding that I'm that I'm run out of media 433 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 3: like I just and I'm live like you, I'm live 434 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 3: every day. 435 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, can I let me throw something at you with 436 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 2: Kaitlin Clark, it's not really a pet pee, but it's 437 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 2: something the media does with regularity, is that they protect 438 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 2: people who don't need protecting. And it actually I think 439 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:58,120 Speaker 2: it's disrespectful. It's okay to I'll give you two, it's 440 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 2: okay to say Aunt Edwards reminds you me of MJ. 441 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 2: He doesn't need protecting. He leans into it the shrug stop. 442 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:12,199 Speaker 2: I wouldn't have suspended Greg Doyle, although I thought it 443 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 2: was really weird. 444 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 1: It was weird, but and it's one of those things. 445 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 2: If I made this, yeah, go ahead, if her name 446 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 2: was Kevin Clark, no, and so that no, Hitlin doesn't 447 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 2: need our protection. She is a strong, defiant, tough I mean, 448 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 2: watch her in games. She is tough. 449 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 3: So I so I the on the Greg thing, like 450 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 3: I also, I think my reaction to that was colored 451 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 3: by the fact that I do know Greg and I 452 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 3: know like he's a well meaning kind of awkward like 453 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, if you've been around him, 454 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 3: you can see, Oh, that wasn't spoke. 455 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 1: He wasn't trying to be creepy. He's just, I. 456 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,239 Speaker 3: Think, well meaning but a little awkward at times. And 457 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 3: that's what came across. That's what I know him a little. 458 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 3: I thought the same if I but if you had 459 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 3: never met him, you might be like, what the hell 460 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 3: is you know what I mean? 461 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 1: Who is this guy? So there's the context of it. 462 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 3: I so with Caitlyn, I think it's happened in a 463 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 3: different way as far as protecting when she didn't need 464 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 3: protecting the world, you know, when I shouldn't say. The 465 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 3: world a big portion of the population really turned on 466 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:26,719 Speaker 3: Angel Reese in last year's title game because she taunted 467 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 3: Caitlyn and there and that there was now there was 468 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 3: a lot of racial dynamics there. She's big, she's bigger 469 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 3: than Caitlyn, she's black. It's a lot of things led 470 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 3: to Angel Reyes being the villain. But the fact of 471 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 3: the matter is Caitlyn Clark was not bothered by it 472 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 3: because Caitlyn Bark's a badass and was like, you know what, 473 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 3: I'll do it back to you and I'll get you back. 474 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 3: But there was some like, you know, because she was 475 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 3: a woman, because she was a white woman. There are 476 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 3: a lot of things where people were trying to, you know, 477 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 3: put on the capes and rush to go save her 478 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 3: when she. 479 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: Didn't need the saving. Flatley didn't need the saving, like 480 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: and so yeah, I think that's a I think that's 481 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: a I think go ahead. 482 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 2: I think the media is well meaning with Caitlin, but 483 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 2: it is a very regular occurrence of protecting people who 484 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 2: don't need to be protecting. And the ultimate respect for 485 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 2: women's athletes is that Serena is Roger Feeder's equal emotionally 486 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 2: and in her sport, she's his equal. We don't protect 487 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 2: Roger Serena's remarkable. She's the greatest tennis player I've ever seen. 488 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 2: She's the most dominant tennis player. I mean, I've been 489 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 2: watching since Chris Everett, Billy gen King, I've never seen 490 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 2: manage question. 491 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 1: It's not even close. So that's right, and that is 492 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: you know. 493 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 3: So when we when during the NCAA tournament, all of 494 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 3: a sudden, the women's conversation turned to the goat of 495 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 3: women's sports and a weird or the goat of women's 496 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 3: tennis in a weird way. I was like, this is 497 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 3: a profound moment in the trajectory of women's sports because 498 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 3: it is now popular enough that we are going to 499 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 3: have the dumbest conversations about it, you know what I mean, Like, 500 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 3: who's the goat of This is the dumbest, but it 501 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 3: is also gets people riled up, people have opinions, And 502 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 3: in my whole career leading up to that, we would 503 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 3: only be talking about women's sports. 504 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: In such like a bespoke way. It wouldn't be that. 505 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 3: But now it's just like sports, like, hey, is she 506 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 3: the best? Is she gonna suck as a rookie, like 507 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 3: it's just regular stupid sports talk. Like I think that 508 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 3: what I'm really interested now. I happen to think Caitlin 509 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 3: is going to immediately be awesome in the WNBA. 510 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: Same if she's not. 511 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 3: I think it will be patronizing and insulting if people 512 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 3: don't ripper. I know that sounds ridiculous, but same if 513 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 3: if you come into the like if you in men's sports, 514 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 3: if you are this super nova and you come in 515 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 3: and fall flat, nobody's putting. Nobody's treating you like a 516 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 3: high school athlete like you know they are, and so 517 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 3: there is a level of like this sounds silly, but 518 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 3: equality of criticism that I think that that I do 519 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 3: think now is going to come to the w NBA 520 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 3: like I do. 521 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think it's going to be a. 522 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 3: Direct, straight linear growth, but I do think they now 523 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 3: have enough star power that it is going to be 524 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 3: a topic. Like I think Caitlin, how well she does, 525 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 3: is going to be on our show. 526 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 2: Isn't Isn't it the ultimate sign of respect? They say 527 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 2: that's about people in Boston. When a Boston guy pitches 528 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 2: your shit, you're part of the club. Yes, that's right, 529 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 2: exactly right, No, that's right. 530 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 3: When you don't and I think this is if we 531 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 3: can you know again me and er further, I think 532 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 3: this is probably something I don't know this obviously, but 533 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 3: I'm a smart guy. 534 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: I bet it's true. I think it's probably something women 535 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: outside of sports deal with as a hurdle to their 536 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: growth in male dominated businesses, in executive spaces, which is, 537 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: the guys feel comfortable going out for drinks and busting 538 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: chops with the other guys, which creates a camaraderie and 539 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: a relationship and you know what I mean, a kinship 540 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: outside of work. And I'm sure there's a lot of 541 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: women like man I get. 542 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 3: Left out of that because you know, they're trying to 543 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 3: be polite or you know, whatever it is. But it 544 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 3: actually prevents my ability to really be fully included and 545 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 3: to potentially move up the way people move up through relationships. 546 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think you use the word patronizing. 547 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 2: I think the WNBA will arrive. I mean, it only 548 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 2: had seven hundred thousand people watch the WNBA finals. That's 549 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 2: not as good as the UFL. It will arrive this year, 550 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 2: and it will arrive because the discussions will be authentic 551 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 2: and critical, not flowery and protective, and I'm looking forward 552 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 2: to it. I've said this, I think I told my 553 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 2: audience this today is I always think fewer games is better, 554 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 2: and I don't love the NFL going to seventeen games 555 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 2: and very quickly eighteen. But I think they will get 556 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 2: a second bye week, which is fair and the players 557 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 2: will love. But here's how I view it. So July 558 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 2: and August are dead. That's the vacation time for us. 559 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 2: So the football season now will be Labor. 560 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 4: Day to President's Weekend, will do a week talking about it, 561 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 4: will take a vacation, all come back on March third 562 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,719 Speaker 4: into March madness and free agency, quickly into the draft, 563 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 4: into the NBA playoffs. 564 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: So my take is, if you can. 565 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 2: Give me if the WNBA becomes a topic, and I 566 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 2: think it will be with Caitlin Clark, you're expanding my football. 567 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: I now get a new topic. 568 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 2: So I'm rooting for Caitlin Clark because selfishly, if I 569 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 2: get eight to twelve on slow days or days I 570 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 2: have opening, not in the middle of the NFL season, 571 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 2: You're giving me Caitlin Clark topics. I try to get 572 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 2: Candas Parker on my show today. I am for it. 573 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: The volume. 574 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to part one of the conversations with Nick. 575 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: Don't forget to check back for part two.