1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: Talking to Death is released weekly every Wednesday and brought 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: to you absolutely free. But if you want at free 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: listening and exclusive bonuses, subscribe to Tenderfoot Plus at tenderfootplus 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: dot com or on Apple Podcasts. 5 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 2: Talking to Death is a production of tenderfoot TV and 6 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 2: iHeart Podcasts. 7 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 3: Listener discretion is advised. Mike Pain, where are you? 8 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: I'm in La. I didn't sleep for shit last night, 9 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 1: but this Airbnb's kind of doing it right now. Bunch 10 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: of natural light I had when I got up, I 11 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: just pulled down like every damn shade there is in 12 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: here because it was too much light. I want to know, 13 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 1: just like just like off the riff here knee jerk reaction. 14 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: Do you believe in ghosts? Do? I? 15 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 3: M hm yeah since radio rental, Yeah, I definitely do. 16 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 3: I didn't before I even though I've kind of seen one, 17 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 3: I didn't really believe in them at all. 18 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: It was right, yeah, a weird story, right for sure. 19 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 3: And it was like green glowy, like you know, haunted 20 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 3: mansion style, and it went, you know, it was it 21 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 3: was ahead of me. It was dark outside. I was 22 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 3: driving to go drink beer at a park when I 23 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 3: was like sixteen what it bro I know, it's crazy 24 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 3: wild times, right, and it it went across the road 25 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 3: and I realized like, and it was going like the 26 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 3: speed of a guy on a bike, right, and it 27 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 3: kind of looked like that size, right, And it went 28 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:30,559 Speaker 3: across and I was like, who's who's riding a bike 29 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 3: this late going from? And it was going from a 30 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 3: like a greenhouse nursery to somebody's front yard, right, that 31 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 3: was what was on either side of the street. Then 32 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 3: when I got to where it was, I was like, 33 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 3: wait a minute, there's a fence on either side of 34 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 3: the road, and it went through it as if there 35 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 3: was no fence. And when I tried to when I 36 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 3: got close enough, I tried to like see where it went, 37 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 3: and just like disappeared. I was like, what, how did 38 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 3: whatever that was? How did that go through two fences? 39 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: Like they weren't there, So it like it was like 40 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: translucent move through like an object or what. 41 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was like one hundred feet away, 42 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 3: so it was hard to make out, but yeah, it 43 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 3: totally just went through one fence on the left side 44 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 3: of the road and then across the road and then 45 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 3: a fence on the right side of the road. Like 46 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 3: they weren't there, never slowing down, never going over it, 47 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 3: never climbing over. It was just through the fences. 48 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: I feel like since I've known you, you've been more 49 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: of a skeptic of things just over the years. But 50 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: I do remember, like definitively one time where we both 51 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: received this picture or a series of pictures from one 52 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: of the radio rental stories, and I remember like reading 53 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: the post and then clicking the picture, which we get 54 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: into in today's episode later. But do you feel like 55 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: that was sort of a I don't know that changed 56 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: the way you felt about it, because I mean, it's 57 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: a real picture. It's it's not doctor, and I don't 58 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: think it's a live photo from my iPhone. 59 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 3: No, it's real and it's unexplained and it's hard to 60 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 3: wrap your head. And when I saw that one, on 61 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:04,679 Speaker 3: top of all the other radio rental stories, we went, 62 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 3: I mean we went. We spent so many years going 63 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 3: around listening to people's like unexplained stories with that, and 64 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 3: then that photo was the final thing where I was like, 65 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 3: all right, this there's something to this. I don't know 66 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 3: what it is. It could be aliens, it could be ghosts, 67 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 3: it could be who knows some other dimension. But yeah, 68 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 3: that that that one. I remember going back to my 69 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 3: hotel room in Denver and I could not sleep, and 70 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 3: I kept looking over my shoulder like I was looking 71 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 3: at it on my phone. 72 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 1: I was like, you scaring little nightmails or what a 73 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: little bit a. 74 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 3: Little bit of nightmails? 75 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: No, it was. 76 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 3: It was terrifying and I didn't want to be alone. 77 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: Today's guest is I would just call him an expert 78 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: in the paranormal. His name is Aaron Segers. This guy 79 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: has done the real deal, though, the stuff that you know, 80 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: we that I would joke about doing, like yeah, I'll 81 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: go to the haunted house, but when I get there 82 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: for real, I'm like that, I never mind. I don't 83 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: want to actually confront some demon or some shit. I'm good. 84 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't want to conjure that 85 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: up in my life. But this guy has tons of 86 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: experience going to some of the world's most haunted places. 87 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: He's a TV personality. He has a really cool podcast 88 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 1: called Talking Strange. We had some really just fun conversations 89 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: that went into the philosophy and sort of the concept 90 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: of what what the paranormal is at all, what ghosts 91 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: could be. And after a while we end up going 92 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 1: talking about Bigfoot, and I have a pretty strong opinion 93 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: on Bigfoot, and you'll hear later, but this guy is 94 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: just funny as hell. And I think that, you know, 95 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: I've always been curious about the supernatural and wondering what 96 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: that means or if it's some concept that we've created, 97 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: and we just have great imaginations and we want to 98 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 1: exist because the world's so boring sometimes or is it 99 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: just that we're scre actually at the surface of something 100 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: really insane that we just have no idea about, right, 101 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: And so I think that we got we got super 102 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 1: deep in the conversation with Aaron, and I feel like 103 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: I have a more nuanced take on the whole thing. Now. Yeah, 104 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: we get into Bigfoot, aliens a little bit, working in 105 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: reality TV and paranormal experiences, and I even have a 106 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: paranormal experience of my own that I've never shared before 107 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: that I that I unpack for you on today's episode, 108 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 1: and after you listen to it, I want you to 109 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: tell me what you think it was, because to this day, 110 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: I don't really know, or maybe I'm just you know, 111 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: being imaginative, but I had a weird I had a 112 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: weird night one time, and uh, I'm curious what everyone 113 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: else thinks about it. You tell me if it's paranormal 114 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: or if I just had one two mini beers. This 115 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:14,679 Speaker 1: is episode eleven, Aaron Sagers. Well, thank you for being here. Aaron, 116 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 1: you are such an interesting person to me because you've 117 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: done so much weird shit. How would you even describe yourself? 118 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 2: I don't know. It kind of depends on the day. 119 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 2: I guess it's funny. So I do these presentations when 120 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 2: I go to events and like comic cons and stuff, 121 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 2: and I put up a picture of like, this is 122 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 2: what it looks like I do, and it's like sort 123 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 2: of this foreboding picture of me holding a weige board 124 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 2: in front of a haunted doll, like Robert the Doll down. 125 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 2: I'm like, but this is actually what I really do. 126 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 2: And I post the meme of a Charlie Day from 127 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 2: It's Always Sunny, where he's like got the crime the 128 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 2: murder board, and he's like just kind of going nuts. 129 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 2: I'm like, that's like me. Most of the time. I'm 130 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: wandering around in my place eating cheese it's and talking 131 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 2: to myself and trying to connect the dots. Of weird 132 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 2: shit and my dog looking at me like I'm a 133 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 2: crazy person. 134 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: But do you have a boy? Do you actually have 135 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: that wall? 136 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 2: Though I have in the past, because that's actually that's 137 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 2: kind of cool. I don't know. I mean, I guess 138 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 2: I would say journalists, paranormal journalists, and then TV host 139 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 2: and then just researcher of weird shit, you know, like 140 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 2: it's but and and spooky nerd. That's that's like my 141 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 2: origins is just a nerd that was into all this 142 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 2: spooky stuff and then it somehow became a job. 143 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: So as a paranormal investigator, Yeah, is this some Ghostbusters shit? 144 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: Like what's going on here? 145 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 2: Uh? You mean me personally? 146 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: What do I think of it? I mean, you know, 147 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: like what got you into that? 148 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 2: So it's funny because I've only really recently started talking 149 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 2: about this, but as a kid, okay, into comic books 150 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 2: and a science fiction and a horror watching repeats of 151 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 2: In Search Of with Lennard Nimoy and then Unsolved Mysteries 152 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 2: with Robert Stack, but also like Culchack the night Stalker, 153 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 2: which is before my time, but somehow I'd locked onto 154 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 2: it at some point I dug it and so all 155 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 2: that nerdy stuff, you know, stayed with me. But I 156 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 2: also have weird stuff going on in my house when 157 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 2: I was a kid, and I don't I swear hand 158 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 2: to God, like only recently started talking about this. It 159 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 2: was only last week. In fact, I did an event 160 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 2: and I'm like, all right, I will give you guys 161 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 2: the spooky origin story. But yeah, like I was, I'm 162 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 2: the youngest of five kids. I was raised Catholic. I'm 163 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 2: not really particularly observant these days, but pretty Catholic family, 164 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 2: and my brother, oldest brother, started getting involved in some 165 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 2: weird stuff and actively trying to almost summon about activity. 166 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 2: And whether or not he was successful, I don't know, 167 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 2: or if something was already lingering in our house. 168 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: What was he doing though was weird. 169 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 2: So it's you know, you know, like the satanic panic 170 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 2: of the eighties, which is now kind of still existing. 171 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 2: I hate to say, like because he was playing Dungeons 172 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 2: and Dragons or I had you know, black light posters 173 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 2: of Iron Maiden on the wall. You know, that's not 174 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 2: what led to it, even though he did have that shit. No, 175 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 2: he just like was an angry teenager that actively he 176 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 2: wanted some sort of control, and I think he was 177 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 2: like trying to find grimoires. I doubt he found anything 178 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 2: really good. I just think that intention, that anger and 179 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 2: intention and wanting to bring about something. He described it 180 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 2: as like he felt like he had conjured something that 181 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 2: was almost electrical, looking like almost like this static type 182 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 2: of entity is how he describes it. I didn't see that. 183 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 2: I don't know, but I do know. Weird shit started 184 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 2: happening in our house, and for me, being the youngest 185 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 2: of kids, I started seeing stuff, including this very tall 186 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 2: figure in my doorway of the bedroom I shared with 187 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 2: my middle brother, and had this kind of crooked head 188 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 2: and sort of like a Halloween type of mask. It 189 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 2: was very tall, and the mask itself looked almost like 190 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 2: a Halloween devil type of mask, and yet deep lines 191 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 2: in its face, kind of an old type of face, 192 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 2: a some sort of etching or something on its chin, 193 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 2: some sort of not a room. And again I was 194 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 2: such a little kid. I was probably six years old, 195 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 2: so I'm filling in some gaps, I'm sure, but some 196 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 2: sort of etching on his chin and almost like a 197 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 2: fright wig type of hair. 198 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: It sounds terrifying, so it is. 199 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 2: And this is kind of like one of my theories 200 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 2: is like when we see stuff, I don't know if 201 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 2: if we're perceiving it as it is, or if maybe 202 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 2: there's weird stuff out there that's like beaming itself into 203 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 2: your brain. And it's like, what would be an image 204 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 2: that would scare pain and let me present myself in 205 00:10:59,120 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 2: that way? 206 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: So that would definitely scared the shit out of me. 207 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, But so maybe unconsciously I had seen this at 208 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 2: like a Walmart or whatever, right, and I've thought nothing 209 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 2: of it. But now this image is implanted in my 210 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 2: brain and whatever was presenting itself showed itself in that way. 211 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: And if you were, if you were a skeptic, you know, 212 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: you might say, well, was it sleep paralysis or something 213 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: like that? From your experience, what did it feel like 214 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 1: to you? Were the circumstances different than that, or you 215 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: remember being consciously awake and seeing it, or just just 216 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: describe that part of it. 217 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember being awake, I remember being frozen in fear. 218 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 2: And in modern times and a lot of the shows 219 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 2: I work with and just the paranormal TV business people 220 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,439 Speaker 2: would probably just label that as a demon. I don't 221 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 2: really throw around this this D word, you know, because 222 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 2: we the D word, because I think there's so much 223 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 2: more going on out there that's complex and different. I 224 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 2: think there's good and bad, but I don't think it's 225 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 2: just like heaven, hell, angels and demons. I think it's 226 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 2: a lot more nuanced. But I do remember being awake. 227 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 2: I do remember seeing this thing and being like frozen 228 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 2: in fear. And again, I was like six years old, 229 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 2: so like you, like, what do you do in that situation? 230 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 2: And as a as a young Catholic kid, I remember 231 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 2: I was taught two prayers. I was taught a lot 232 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 2: of prayers, and most of them I do not I 233 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 2: could not tell you now, I could not recite. But 234 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 2: there was two that I recall. One, Now I lay 235 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 2: me down to sleep, I pray to the Lord my 236 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 2: soul to keep if I die before I wake, I 237 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 2: pray to the Lord my soul to take pretty dark prayer. 238 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: In every horror movie ever, it's that was a pretty 239 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 1: dark like some kids saying that Donal Hallway echoing and 240 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: it's like a Catholic hymn to sleep. Yeah, like that's terrifying. 241 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 2: And the other prayer was because I think on some 242 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 2: level my mom My mom said she never felt comfortable 243 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 2: in that house. I think on some level she knew 244 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 2: there was something creepy going on. So the other prayer was, 245 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 2: if you ever encounter something bad, say in the name 246 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 2: of Jesus Christ, I cast you out right. And so 247 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 2: those were the things. Like I was like, I was 248 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 2: chanting things, well, yes, or at least chanting it in my 249 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 2: head or whatever, and the thing did fade. But weird 250 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 2: stuff continued in our house. And I don't think that's 251 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:34,839 Speaker 2: like some magic bullet. In fact, priests came through, there 252 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 2: was blessings and whatnot, and stuff still continued up until 253 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 2: the time that we ultimately moved out of the house. 254 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 2: Not for that reason, but we ultimately moved out of 255 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 2: that house, and then weird stuff even happened after we 256 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 2: moved out for the following residence of that place. So 257 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 2: I think it was just a weird house. 258 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 1: I mean, as an adult now reflecting back on that, 259 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: what do you make of it? I think that was 260 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: it a kid's imagination. 261 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,959 Speaker 2: No, because all of my siblings, So what's funny is like, Okay, 262 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 2: so now you know, I do this job where spooky 263 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 2: stuff is part of the job, and I have one 264 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 2: sibling that is into this stuff. 265 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: But not. 266 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 2: She's like more casually. My sister is into it, but 267 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 2: not professionally. And then I have one brother that will 268 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 2: not talk about this stuff at all. And then I 269 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 2: have another brother that's very, very religious. And then the 270 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 2: oldest brother who initially experienced this thing. He's had a 271 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 2: lot of struggles with substance abuse, but he I remember 272 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 2: it was like right before the COVID lockdown and everything. 273 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 2: I was talking to him and he was, unfortunately and 274 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 2: quite inebriated, but he told me. He's like, yeah, I'm 275 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 2: sorry that it caused problems with the family and everything. 276 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 2: He's like, but you know, I still think that that 277 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 2: thing is out there. I still talk to it, so 278 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 2: he'll talk to it. 279 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, So what does the what do you mean? Like 280 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: I's communicating this thing as an adult. 281 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 2: I think the struggles he has had with substances reflects 282 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 2: still on someone that's trying to have control, have some 283 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 2: sort of like some some sort of control over his 284 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 2: life or whatever. 285 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: Do you think the link there is more likely that 286 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: the substance abuse is lifting some sort of veil or 287 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: blurring reality in some way. 288 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:43,479 Speaker 2: I think that I don't necessarily know that they're connected, 289 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 2: but I think there's just something really something hurting inside 290 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 2: of him. And in my experience, I think that sometimes 291 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 2: this activity can prey on your needs or weaknesses and 292 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 2: things like that, and I think maybe that's what's happening 293 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 2: with him potentially, that it's it's not necessarily lifting a veil. 294 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 2: It's not that the substance abuse and whatever, haunting or 295 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 2: whatever it is or connected. But I do think it 296 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 2: can prey on that weakness. 297 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: You know, if you if you were to sum up 298 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: your viewpoint on all things hair and normal in just 299 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: a couple of sentences, what would it be. 300 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 2: I don't think we have a clue what's going on. 301 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 2: I think that there's everything is kind of fair game. 302 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 2: I've traveled around enough, I've explored enough, I've talked to 303 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 2: a lot of people, and I think that there's a 304 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 2: lot of things connected. But we ultimately don't really know 305 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 2: what's going on. 306 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: But you're also saying that there is something going on. 307 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 2: Oh I think there's Yeah, So you through the word 308 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 2: out skeptic. I think there's a spectrum of belief, if 309 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 2: you will, and on one hand, is unquestioning, unwavering belief, 310 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 2: almost dogmatic, And I find that problematic. If you're not 311 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 2: even just wanting to believe, but blanket belief. That's one 312 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 2: end of that spectrum that's in everything these days, right, 313 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 2: that's everything, And I find that problematic. And on the 314 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 2: other end of the spectrum is cynicism, total non belief. 315 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 2: But where I try to be in the middle, and 316 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 2: where I think a lot of people actually end up 317 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 2: as sort of sliding scale, but open minded, but asking 318 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 2: questions and being skeptical. Skepticism is a good thing. It's 319 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 2: not a dirty word. But I've had crazy shit happen 320 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 2: to me that I do not think I have an 321 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 2: explanation for. But I've also been in plenty of places 322 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 2: with leaky plumbing and bad wiring. And I don't think 323 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 2: everything is a ghost or a bigfoot or an alien 324 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 2: or whatever. Right, so exactly, And I'll steal a line 325 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 2: from a friend of mine, John Tenny. I like his 326 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 2: philosophy that the stuff you think is weird is probably 327 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 2: weirder than you think. 328 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 1: I like that line. 329 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wish i'd come up with it, Damn, just 330 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 2: cut out one, cut out the attribution part, right, Yeah, 331 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 2: like I heard it from you first. But yeah, there's 332 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 2: a lot of in between spaces there where weird things 333 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 2: are happening. 334 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:36,959 Speaker 1: There's so many just ties with spirituality and religion when 335 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: it comes to paranormal stuff, even UFOs and aliens, and 336 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: the older I've gotten and the more I've looked into 337 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: stuff like this myself, I'm convinced that one day science 338 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: will explain everything. And you know, even if you think 339 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 1: about a UFO that was there and then just gone, 340 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: usually the way that it's described by someone who's all 341 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: that is that it was literally there and then gone, 342 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: not necessarily completely took off, but it was it went 343 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: somewhere else, to another dimension or something. And maybe as 344 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: vast as the universe is this way, which we're learning 345 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 1: is only bigger and bigger than we thought it was before. 346 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: It's equally as vast this way or something where there's 347 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: layers of dimensions, which it sounds crazy a little bit, 348 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: but is it though? 349 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 2: No, nothing really, I don't automatically dismiss anything as crazy anymore, 350 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,919 Speaker 2: because I do think what you're talking about, Like the 351 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,479 Speaker 2: word ghost, okay, I find a very it's almost very limiting. 352 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 2: It's like this umbrella term because okay, as a ghost, 353 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 2: an echo and time like some sort of energetic footprint, 354 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 2: imprint or an imprint. Yes, is a ghost a your 355 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 2: dead aunt Edna coming back to visit you? Is a 356 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 2: ghost something that happens not always hated aunt Edna? Is 357 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 2: a ghost a someone that has unresolved issues that's stuck here, 358 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 2: either voluntarily or involuntary. 359 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: Right? 360 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 2: Or is a ghost a time slip, something that's continuing 361 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 2: to exist in its own time and meanwhile we are 362 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 2: the ghost to it? Yes, is a ghost? Something from 363 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 2: another dimension? Is a ghost? Something else entirely? And my 364 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 2: answer is like, yeah, maybe all of those things, you know. Yeah, 365 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 2: It's like, so all of this weirdness could kind of 366 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 2: be coinciding. So the people that think aliens are from 367 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 2: another world versus another dimension, maybe both. 368 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, but that that other world may just be a dimension. 369 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 1: I think they also can simultaneously exist. There could be 370 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: some other Earth way out there. I mean, statistically, it's 371 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: very possible. We'd be insanely lucky if we were the 372 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 1: only ones physically in this realm of all the galaxies. 373 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 2: Out there boring. Would that be? 374 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 1: I mean that would just weird, be so disappointing. Yeah, 375 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: I mean I guess we Yeah, that would just suck. 376 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: It'd be like what a waste of space? Yeah, God, like, 377 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: no one else could figure this shit out, and. 378 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 2: We rarely haven't. It's not like, you know, we can't be. 379 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: The best at this did if we are, then that's 380 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 1: that's not good. 381 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 2: We're definitely, yeah, we're definitely maybe the test program, the 382 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 2: pilot program, you know, and there's there's other ones out 383 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 2: there that have done way better. I'm I'm kind of 384 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 2: borderline convinced that we must have, you know, just a 385 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 2: little bit outside of our solar system. Maybe there's just 386 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 2: caution tape or construction cones around our area saying like 387 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 2: under construction or you know, don't approach Earth like these guys. 388 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: It's like you can go there, but they're why yeah, yeah, 389 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 1: where the best guys are still figuring it out. And 390 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 1: I mean they'll shoot your ass down too. They're not 391 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: even playing around. 392 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 2: But i mean, yeah, like the stuff that just in 393 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 2: the last few months I've experienced has made me kind 394 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 2: of question that that paradigm. So it's constantly shifting. 395 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 1: What do you mean you had you've had recent experiences 396 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: that are unexplained or something. 397 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 2: Or what, Yeah, things that I can't explain. Give me example, 398 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 2: So one a couple of months ago, I was at 399 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 2: a location I think it was Belvoir Winery, which used 400 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 2: to be this odd fellow's home and outside of Kansas City, 401 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 2: and I was leading a group of people. It was 402 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 2: an appearance kind of thing. I was leading a group 403 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 2: of you know, folks through a location that was said 404 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 2: to be haunted, spooky, ghoest ghosts. 405 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. 406 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 2: It was like, so you do some of these events 407 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 2: and you know, you're you give a presentation, you talk 408 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 2: to people, and then at night they ask, like some 409 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 2: of the TV folks to lead people on a paranormal investigation, 410 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 2: and and I love doing it like it's it's fun because. 411 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: It does sound fun. I mean on both sides. 412 00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 2: I'm getting paid to do something that I used to 413 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 2: you know, it's getting paid to do it as opposed 414 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 2: to trespassing when I was a kid. You know, like 415 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 2: it's kind of cool to walk around building and me 416 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 2: the authority on it. 417 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: Yes. 418 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, And like sonya we're doing in a audio session, 419 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 2: trying to get some electronic voice phenomena. 420 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 1: All those things real. 421 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 2: I've had weird stuff happen with it, right, And it's 422 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 2: like this is why I also try to present myself 423 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 2: I say, paranormal journalist, researcher and whatnot. I don't build 424 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 2: myself as a ghost hunter or paranormal investigator, even though 425 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 2: I go do those things. 426 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: Sure, you know. 427 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 2: But but we were doing this thing where we were 428 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 2: sure getting some weird voices and whatnot. I'm like, okay, 429 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 2: that's odd. I don't know what that is. But the 430 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 2: strangest thing is I set a recorder down far into 431 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 2: a hallway. 432 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: It was a. 433 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 2: Recorder I have used for a long time. I know 434 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 2: how this thing works. 435 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: Which one was it? Do you? 436 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 2: It was an old Sony icy recorder was a digital recorder, 437 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 2: and I forget the precise model, but I started using 438 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 2: it on board speakers on it and just yeah, yeah, 439 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 2: And it was actually one that I used when I 440 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 2: was first starting out as like just a regular reporter, 441 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 2: like doing regular interviews, not looking for ghosts or whatever. 442 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 2: One of the art producers uses like like a old 443 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 2: Sony and you actually recently bought a new one, but 444 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 2: like the old ones. 445 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: Like works like a charming It is has a sound 446 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: to it. It's kind of cool. 447 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:31,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is great, and it picks up noises from 448 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 2: pretty far away as a very sensitive mic onboard mic. 449 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 2: But what was weird about this session was I set 450 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 2: the recorder down. I walk away. I joined this group 451 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 2: of people and I'm like, okay, I've set the recorder 452 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 2: down the hall. We're trying to establish contact if something 453 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 2: is ear if something wants to say hi to this. 454 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 2: So I'm doing this session trying to have a conversation 455 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 2: with whatever is out there. This goes on for several 456 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 2: minutes and I go and I pick up the recorder. 457 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, walking back to the recorder. I'm picking 458 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 2: it up, I'm shutting it off, and I'm voicing all 459 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 2: of this so that way there's no stray sounds that 460 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:10,479 Speaker 2: might be mistaken as some sort of anomaly. So recorded 461 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 2: for about eight minutes, and when I play it back, 462 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 2: you hear my intro. This is Aaron, I'm at Belvoir Winery. 463 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 2: I'm setting this recorder down. Okay, I'm walking away. Those 464 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 2: are my footsteps as I walk away. Okay, And instead 465 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 2: of eight minutes of audio, you hear my intro overlap 466 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 2: with my outro. So and I'm setting the recorder down, 467 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 2: I'm walking away, and then you get me saying okay, 468 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 2: and then I'm walking back and I'm picking up the 469 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 2: recorder and shutting it off. There was eight minutes of 470 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 2: missing time there, and it overlaps. It's not a stop. 471 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,479 Speaker 2: It's not like a hard stop on the audio. Instead, 472 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,719 Speaker 2: it overlaps. There was no voice activated function on it. 473 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 2: There was no no one messed with this audio in between. 474 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 2: I've used this recorder a lot. I know how the 475 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 2: device works. Could it be some sort of glitch in 476 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 2: the recorder, possibly, but it had never happened before, hasn't 477 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 2: happened since. It was almost like eight minutes was just 478 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 2: gone and overlapping with other with the rest of my voice. 479 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 2: It was now a twenty second file. I even though 480 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 2: I had set it down, it was recording this whole time. 481 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 2: All you get is twenty seconds of me setting up 482 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 2: the audio session, overlapping with me shutting it off, me 483 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,959 Speaker 2: coming back and shutting off. And it was not a 484 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 2: stop in the file. There was not like a hard stop. 485 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 2: It was all one file. There was no click, no 486 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 2: shut off it I'm telling you, man. And it sounds 487 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 2: weird too even described, but it was like missing time. 488 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,959 Speaker 2: And other people were around me and witnessing this whole thing, 489 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 2: and they're like, yeah, we don't know what happened either. 490 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 2: So this wasn't part of the show, no the gig, no, 491 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 2: no no, but it. 492 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: Got your intro in outro, meaning that it was it 493 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: was recording at this point in time and that point 494 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: it's actually yeah, like it's it like it didn't just 495 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: shut off and stop recording. It got the end of 496 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: your shit too. 497 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like I was talking over myself that 498 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 2: intro and outro. It was like those overlapped. 499 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: So what do you make of that? 500 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 2: I don't know. I've tried to explain as much as possible, 501 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 2: and anybody that's that's checking out this episode, please like 502 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 2: if you I can even provide the model number at 503 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,959 Speaker 2: some point the Sony icee. I forget which one it was. 504 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 2: I don't know, but I do think that weird stuff 505 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 2: happens from a time perspective with whatever it is we're 506 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:49,239 Speaker 2: dealing with with this unexplained phenomena. If you want to 507 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 2: go just strictly in the ghosty territory, maybe the Goes 508 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 2: didn't want to answer questions and fucked with the audio. 509 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: And said I'm good, but this is all you get. Yeah, yeah, 510 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: maybe sorry Aaron, but not today. And I don't know. 511 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 1: But having doing this so much and being in so 512 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 1: many locations and being pretty tuned into I think what's 513 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: going on, the fact that this happened, it kind of 514 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: it's peculiar to me. Yeah, I mean it is. And 515 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: I know the recorder you're talking about, if that happened 516 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: to us, and I mean, we make podcasts for a living, 517 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: dealt with tons, thousands, tens of thousands audio files. I've 518 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: ever heard of something uniquely like what you're describing. And 519 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: it is strange that it happened in a haunted place 520 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: when you were talking about that, but all those things 521 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: could be coincidences. But it's still strange as hell. 522 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 2: And I'm not sitting here saying, right it's a ghost, 523 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 2: you know, or temporal anomaly. I'm just saying I don't 524 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 2: understand it, and it is weird, and whatever it was, 525 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 2: it was anomalist for me, you know, it was anomalous 526 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 2: for my experiences. 527 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: You know, I've always, like, since I was a kid, 528 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: I've always thought that there was something else going on, 529 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: you know, just more than we can see, more than 530 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: we'd know. But I'd never really had any of my 531 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: own experiences as a kid that convinced me of ghosts 532 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: or anything paranormal. But there was There's a few things 533 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: that have happened to me in my life or things 534 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: that I've seen that made me go, Okay, what the 535 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: hell is this? And So I have a show called 536 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 1: Radio Rental, which I've been on your show, Yeah, we 537 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 1: talked about yes, where I basically just talk to different 538 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: people across the country who have their own weird personal 539 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: experiences and strange stories, from near death to even the 540 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: realm of paranormal. There was a one story this lady 541 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: who was running in Hawaii and she was describing this 542 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: this thing that was captured on her phone by her friend, 543 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: and she didn't realize it till later, but she remembers 544 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: consciously having this pain in her in her leg or 545 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: her knee at the exact time this series of photos 546 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: was taken. So I was sent this story by this person, 547 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: and I remember being on my couch a laptop up 548 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: and I read it and I was like, all right, 549 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: I mean that would be pretty scary. And she's like 550 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: and she said, I've attached the the live photos, like 551 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: the iPhone live photos. I'm like, okay, and I'm not 552 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: gonna lie to you when I when I clicked it, 553 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: it was way scarier than I thought it was. And 554 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: the first thing, I mean, I'm getting that goosebumps right now. 555 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: The first thing I did was like look behind me, like, 556 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: oh my god. I actually I saved it on here. 557 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 2: I know which photo you're talking about. 558 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: It's one of the few things that I've seen on 559 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: a on any media that is convincing to me that 560 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: it's either otherworldly or something. And I have the live 561 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: photos from her, I message, I have all the data. 562 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: This is not some doctored shit, so I know that 563 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: it's real personally. But yet, what is your take on 564 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: this thing? Have you heard about this story? 565 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 2: Well, I heard your episode of it and then clued 566 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 2: me in on it. And the first off, the live 567 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 2: photo of it is especially compelling. And this is creepy 568 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 2: as hell, like this is that's that's a paranormal technical term, 569 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 2: creepy af uh right, it's this is. 570 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is classified as creepy as fuck. 571 00:31:55,200 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 2: And it also fits within I know the the caption 572 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 2: is night marcher. I don't know if that is a 573 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 2: night marcher or not, but that fits within that lore 574 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 2: of that area of Hawaii, And yeah, I find that 575 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 2: very compelling. 576 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: I will say I did a just a simple Google 577 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: search of night marchers and a lot of there's a 578 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: lot of artwork that's super old, and it kind of 579 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: looks like a night marcher, you know, if you were 580 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: a skeptic, which you know, I posted this on the 581 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: radio rental Instagram and I've had a lot of people 582 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,959 Speaker 1: going there and like, that's obviously a person and I'm thinking, 583 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: zoom in there, buddy. To me, it would be even 584 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: scarier if it was an actual person, because it doesn't 585 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: look like a person, like not yeah, I'm not saying 586 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: that it's a person that looks weird. I'm saying it 587 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: doesn't look like a human. It's it's facial features aren't 588 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,479 Speaker 1: human looking to know. And it in the live photo, 589 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: if you you know, when you press down on it, 590 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: you can kind of see it emerge where it for 591 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: a moment seems translucent, seems translucent in between the brush. 592 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: So I don't know, but that to me, it's it's 593 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: a it's a it's a compelling piece of evidence. 594 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 2: So journalistically, and again, like I had plenty of a 595 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 2: career as a journalist before the paranormal stuff became part 596 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 2: of the profession, you know. 597 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: Before non paranormal drug. 598 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, like I mean, it's still weird, but uh yeah, yeah. 599 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 2: The and I've interviewed a lot of people. I talk 600 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 2: to people all over the world, and I still do 601 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 2: outside of paranormal stuff. I do other pop culture things 602 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 2: and then also interview with people for other things, and 603 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 2: I feel like I have a finely tuned bullshit meter. 604 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 2: I also and I think you can relate to this. 605 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 2: It's like when you're speaking to people, there's a certain 606 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 2: you pick up a little bit on the psychology of people, 607 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,399 Speaker 2: and there's people that might actively be trying to pull 608 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 2: one over on you. There's some people that are telling 609 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 2: a story I've seen and experience, and there's people that 610 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,879 Speaker 2: are trying to tell you a story that you might 611 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 2: think it's kind of flawed, but they believe it. Yes, 612 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,880 Speaker 2: And then there's that legit level of like they're telling 613 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 2: a story they believe it, but also this is a 614 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 2: thing that actually happened to them, which makes them a 615 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:39,320 Speaker 2: little bit more compelling. And I don't think that everyone 616 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,919 Speaker 2: out there telling these stories of the strange and unusual. 617 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,879 Speaker 2: I don't think they're all delusional, and I don't think 618 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 2: they're all trying to pull a scam on someone. I 619 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:55,839 Speaker 2: think they there are actual things taking place. And then 620 00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 2: add to that, we're talking about cultures that, when you 621 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 2: separate the labels from you know, Takeaway Night March or whatever, 622 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 2: other cultures folklore have stories a very similar phenomena globally, 623 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,319 Speaker 2: peoples that have never interacted with one another. So when 624 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 2: you start seeing this repetition, when you start seeing these 625 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 2: patterns from lore and amongst people themselves telling a story, 626 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 2: it starts making me think there's something here. There's truly 627 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 2: something going on here, because not everybody is trying to 628 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 2: pull a scam. 629 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I would say that the most compelling 630 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 1: stories I've heard in this realm were all people who 631 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 1: were not foaming at the mouth to tell me the story. 632 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 1: They oftentimes were sort of reluctant. 633 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 2: You have to coax it out. 634 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 1: They weren't excited to be here today. I mean, they 635 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,919 Speaker 1: wanted to tell their story, but they weren't like, all right, cool, 636 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: let's go. This happened. It was a traumatic, scary thing 637 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:02,280 Speaker 1: that they didn't understand, and it wasn't just super comfortable 638 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: for them to relive it necessarily. But but they wanted 639 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 1: to tell it because they've heard other people with similar 640 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 1: stories and. 641 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:14,800 Speaker 2: They start feeling like this is a safe enough space 642 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:19,439 Speaker 2: that they can share it without that total judgment. But yeah, 643 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 2: I encounter that all the time. In fact, the ones 644 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,359 Speaker 2: that the stories I love the most are the ones 645 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,399 Speaker 2: that where the people don't really want to tell that story, 646 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 2: where there is that reluct and you just have to 647 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 2: coax it out of them a little bit. And that's 648 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 2: that's unfortunately also sociologically, we if you hang you know, 649 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,280 Speaker 2: if you hang out in the bar long enough, sooner 650 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 2: or later, you know a ghost story or strange lights 651 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 2: in the sky kind of story, it's going to. 652 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 1: Come up, especially if it's if it's with us, yes existly, yeah, 653 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 1: like like what is up with these fuckers? 654 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 2: But even if you don't mention that you do this 655 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 2: as a job, it'll be like, oh, yeah, this bar's haunted, 656 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,799 Speaker 2: or yeah, man, I saw this weird thing happen. And 657 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 2: people will always say, I don't believe in any of 658 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,240 Speaker 2: that stuff, but there's this one time. 659 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. 660 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,399 Speaker 2: And from a sociological standpoint, what they're doing is they're 661 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,360 Speaker 2: creating that buffer to say I'm not a weirdo. I 662 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 2: pay my taxes, I go to a job all that. 663 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 2: You know, I'm an upstanding member of society, so I'm 664 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 2: not a crazy person. But I saw something crazy. You know, 665 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 2: they're trying to buffer it to make it okay to 666 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,839 Speaker 2: tell that story exactly. So just like yeah, I mean, 667 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 2: like again, I think you, of all people kind of 668 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 2: get that, Like whether you're talking about crimes or whether you're 669 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 2: talking about unusual phenomena. The stories people are reluctant to 670 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 2: tell a lot of times are the juicy ones exactly. 671 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, if they're that reluctant, it probably means they might 672 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: not be making it up, you know, unless this is 673 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 1: some really good act, which if you're an experienced journalist 674 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: and you've dealt with people for years, you can kind 675 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 1: of tell sometimes your bullshit meter is actually were something. 676 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:05,319 Speaker 2: It's also just such a big kind of swing to 677 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 2: say that this lady who's doing ultramarathon is going to 678 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,840 Speaker 2: be faking this thing based on a random bit of 679 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 2: Hawaiian lore. It's just like, to what end, Like, to 680 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 2: what end are you gonna create that kind of story 681 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 2: and fake that kind of thing. 682 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 1: She also got a lot of shit for bringing up 683 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 1: the night Marcher thing at all. Yeah, which I mean 684 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,759 Speaker 1: I understand that it's you know, it's part of the 685 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,360 Speaker 1: Hawaiian culture there and the lore. But she was so 686 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,840 Speaker 1: perplexed as to what this was that she was determined 687 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 1: to figure it out, and it just so happened that 688 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 1: on this island there is this sort of legend of 689 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 1: these night marchers, and it does kind of look like 690 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,880 Speaker 1: a night marcher. So even if it's a guy in 691 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 1: the woods with you know, covered in mud or something, then. 692 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 2: That's equally terrifying to meet. 693 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 1: That's more fucking scared. Yeah, there was some guy staring 694 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 1: at me that I didn't see, who was a physical 695 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 1: person who looked scary in the woods when I was 696 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:08,760 Speaker 1: by myself. 697 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,719 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, so I do this show called Paranormal Caught 698 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 2: on Camera where people submit footage or from around the 699 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 2: world of supposed phenomena, strange things happening. 700 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 1: Do you think most of those are real? I mean, 701 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,719 Speaker 1: obviously there's probably some fake stuff, but yeah, you know, 702 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 1: that's like the I feel like as a viewer, you know, 703 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 1: is it all fake? Is it like what's your I mean? 704 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 1: Or can you not tell me because it's a TV show? No? 705 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 2: I mean I can tell you that I So I 706 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 2: try to maintain an open mind and do I think 707 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,279 Speaker 2: anything can be faked. Anything can be faked, especially now, 708 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 2: especially now, And I tend to think that, Okay, are 709 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 2: there some My example is, you know, let's say there's 710 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,319 Speaker 2: a clip of something that looks like a bigfoot or 711 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,840 Speaker 2: moving through the woods, right, and people are like, I 712 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,000 Speaker 2: don't know, that's a little too clear, that's a little 713 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 2: too in focus. It's too good to be true. And 714 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 2: yet if you show them another clip where it's like 715 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,240 Speaker 2: a little bit out of focus, maybe it's kind of short, 716 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,719 Speaker 2: little fuzzy, they'll be like, I don't know, it's just 717 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,880 Speaker 2: not good enough. So I think that sometimes we have 718 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 2: to be willing to appreciate that sometimes things can be 719 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 2: that good and actually legit, especially with the cameras documenting 720 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,080 Speaker 2: every moment of our lives all around us. You know, 721 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 2: I'm looking out this window, and I know there's a camera, 722 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,560 Speaker 2: you know, multiple cameras from that building that could probably 723 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,200 Speaker 2: see in all over the place, right, So I don't 724 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 2: I think that there is a lot of legitimate stuff 725 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,960 Speaker 2: that's being sent into paranormal con on camera. And I 726 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,919 Speaker 2: think there's a lot of legitimate stuff being captured out there, 727 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 2: and and hell, honestly, if I had the time and 728 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 2: the budget, I would be scooping up all these old 729 00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,400 Speaker 2: nature documentaries from the past and scouring over those to 730 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,920 Speaker 2: see if there's anything strange caught in the background that 731 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:07,480 Speaker 2: was missed. But I also don't think what I don't 732 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,719 Speaker 2: think there's much to be gained in faking all of 733 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:11,320 Speaker 2: this stuff. 734 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,160 Speaker 1: I mean, some people clearly get off on that, but 735 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,959 Speaker 1: it can't be the majority of people. I mean, maybe 736 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,319 Speaker 1: I'm wrong there, but I get I don't like to 737 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,239 Speaker 1: do pranks and trick people, but there's a lot of 738 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,520 Speaker 1: effort that goes into that, and usually part of it 739 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,759 Speaker 1: is the reveal at the end, gotcha, not just some 740 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,359 Speaker 1: you know, boldfaced lie and just sitting back and going 741 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:33,960 Speaker 1: ooh hoho, like I don't know. 742 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 2: And again that psychology comes into play when you're when 743 00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,440 Speaker 2: you're talking to people and trying to get a sense 744 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,280 Speaker 2: of like the story behind the story, like what's happening 745 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,360 Speaker 2: when this, Like when they don't have every single detail 746 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:52,359 Speaker 2: nailed down, when it's not an entirely clear story, that 747 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,400 Speaker 2: can be interesting because people that have every detail nailed 748 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,120 Speaker 2: down starts to feel scripted. 749 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is too You remember this too well? Right? 750 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:04,800 Speaker 1: Did you start filling in some of these gaps? 751 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:04,960 Speaker 2: Right? 752 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 1: Did you write this story? Right? 753 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,440 Speaker 2: So, like those little fuzzy bits, I think can be interesting. 754 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:15,239 Speaker 2: But yeah, I think that a lot of people are 755 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,239 Speaker 2: capturing compelling stuff out there. So maybe there are these 756 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 2: fakes that are moving around as well, but there is 757 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,320 Speaker 2: compelling stuff being captured. 758 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,760 Speaker 1: Do you think Bigfoot is real? 759 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,360 Speaker 2: So I've never met bigfoot, I've never had a Bigfoot science. 760 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:30,880 Speaker 2: I don't know. 761 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,200 Speaker 1: I know. I want to we doing here that I 762 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:34,439 Speaker 1: thought I thought you said you did. 763 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,680 Speaker 2: I wanted to, like, you know, name drop all the people. 764 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,800 Speaker 1: Who actually did. I probably still wouldn't believe you, so 765 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,920 Speaker 1: wouldn't yeah, nyah, Or if I did, you wouldn't believe me. 766 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,399 Speaker 2: I don't know. I might, I might believe you. Yeah, 767 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:50,760 Speaker 2: I think the science is actually there's a guy named 768 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 2: Jeff Meldrum who is a actual scientist who researched by 769 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:01,919 Speaker 2: peedle Haminid's There's Maria Mayor who is a primatologist who 770 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:06,840 Speaker 2: discovered I think it was the world's smallest primate in 771 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:11,319 Speaker 2: recent years. And these are people. There's Jane Goodall. There's 772 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 2: people that are out there doing research that say, yeah, 773 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,520 Speaker 2: we think there is something going on. There is an 774 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:24,279 Speaker 2: undiscovered species of bipedal hominid that is moving around in 775 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:25,640 Speaker 2: the wilderness. 776 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,960 Speaker 1: Based on what science like, based on what science, I guess, well, 777 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,319 Speaker 1: and I'm not a primatologist, and I'm not, but some 778 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,240 Speaker 1: of the compelling things is like, look at the Patterson 779 00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:40,600 Speaker 1: Gimlin film the I I did an interview with Jeff 780 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,439 Speaker 1: Meldrum where he was talking about the Patterson Gimlin film. 781 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:49,000 Speaker 2: That's a classic, you know, perhaps the most famous UH. 782 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,160 Speaker 2: I would almost say, yeah, it's it's definitely the most 783 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:57,640 Speaker 2: famous paranormal footage out there, you know, regardless of what 784 00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,560 Speaker 2: anybody thinks about it, it is famous. But he said 785 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,120 Speaker 2: at that time people dismissed that as far as well, 786 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:08,040 Speaker 2: and you know, the proportions are off for an ape a, 787 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:12,120 Speaker 2: the movement is off. He said, well, that was a 788 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:16,600 Speaker 2: couple of years before the discovery of UH. And I'm 789 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:21,520 Speaker 2: gonna batch the name of the of the fossil. It 790 00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:25,640 Speaker 2: was like Australopithecus that they discovered. I think it was Lucy, 791 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:31,240 Speaker 2: this kind of frozen preserve and he said, so Patterson 792 00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:35,480 Speaker 2: Gimlin took place before the discovery of this and what 793 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:40,680 Speaker 2: they discovered. When they found this, Lucy was oh wow, okay, 794 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,680 Speaker 2: so you know, based on her proportions and everything, she 795 00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,960 Speaker 2: could move this way that kind of resembled the Patterson 796 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,840 Speaker 2: Gimlin footage. So the science wasn't established at that point. 797 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,080 Speaker 2: The science kind of caught up a little bit after 798 00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,840 Speaker 2: the Patterson Gimlin film came out. And even like the 799 00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:03,080 Speaker 2: fact that special effects people that are like, no back 800 00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:08,759 Speaker 2: then in nineteen was it nineteen sixty two is when 801 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,680 Speaker 2: that film was was captured, They're like, there was no 802 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,600 Speaker 2: technology to be able to create that level of suit 803 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:15,840 Speaker 2: at that time. 804 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,520 Speaker 1: I thought, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong. I 805 00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,000 Speaker 1: thought that this was proven to be a hoax and 806 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,600 Speaker 1: it was a costume or or somebody who was a 807 00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,000 Speaker 1: part of the film came forward and said something like 808 00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,200 Speaker 1: that is true. 809 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:35,839 Speaker 2: There was Yeah, so was it Patterson. I think Bob 810 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,400 Speaker 2: Gimmelin is still alive. I think it was Patterson that 811 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,080 Speaker 2: said it wasn't legit, And so there was a split 812 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:43,400 Speaker 2: between those two guys. 813 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,239 Speaker 1: Why would he say that if it wasn't true. 814 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:46,000 Speaker 2: I don't know. 815 00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,520 Speaker 1: Also, where's the costume because I want to see it 816 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,360 Speaker 1: it was a pretty damn good job. Yeah, it was 817 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,600 Speaker 1: a good costume, and they'd have to still have it 818 00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,200 Speaker 1: right threw it away if it was. I don't know, 819 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:56,600 Speaker 1: like right, where is that thing? 820 00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,160 Speaker 2: I find it? I find that piece of footage compelling. 821 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:00,560 Speaker 2: Some people are going to be like, this guy is 822 00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,160 Speaker 2: super gullible and we'll believe anything. And it's not that. 823 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:03,560 Speaker 1: It's that. 824 00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:08,120 Speaker 2: I just like, you've got actual researchers out there saying, yeah, 825 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,520 Speaker 2: we think there's something going on here. I've talked to 826 00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,840 Speaker 2: enough people throughout the years that have had encounters with 827 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,480 Speaker 2: a variety of phenomena that I think, Okay, something is 828 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,560 Speaker 2: going on. And I do think that there is something 829 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:25,360 Speaker 2: that could be moving around those woods throughout the world, 830 00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,879 Speaker 2: not just the Pacific Northwest, that we just haven't caught 831 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:29,600 Speaker 2: up to yet. 832 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,520 Speaker 1: And it's totally possible and I could not disprove it. 833 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:37,040 Speaker 1: The only My biggest problem with Bigfoot is that I 834 00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,960 Speaker 1: just cannot buy that they're just so good at playing 835 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:42,080 Speaker 1: hide and seek. 836 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:43,760 Speaker 2: The Hide and Seek Champion. 837 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:49,880 Speaker 1: It's crazy. I'm like, really, I mean really it. We 838 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,719 Speaker 1: see everything else, but this thing, like we should have 839 00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,240 Speaker 1: found one by now. There should be a dead one somewhere. 840 00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:01,640 Speaker 2: I spend plenty of time in the woods, and I'm 841 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,360 Speaker 2: not running into a bear every time I go on 842 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,799 Speaker 2: a hike. In fact, I don't know if I have 843 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,640 Speaker 2: seen bear out in the wild, but not frequently. 844 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,200 Speaker 1: It's not like it's everything you see a bear. 845 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,840 Speaker 2: Or encountering like a bear carcass, you know, like nature 846 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,000 Speaker 2: is actually very effective at breaking things down and quite quickly. 847 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,400 Speaker 2: So I think if there's these carcasses out there, it 848 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,319 Speaker 2: could be broken down rather quickly. Again, I am not. 849 00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean all these things were true though, Yeah, 850 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,799 Speaker 1: you're right. Yeah, That's why I could never disprove it. 851 00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:35,240 Speaker 1: And I would be amazed if, holy shit, we found 852 00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,200 Speaker 1: one and it is real and they were just good 853 00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,080 Speaker 1: at hiding, or maybe there's only ten of them left 854 00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:40,920 Speaker 1: or something. I don't know. 855 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,720 Speaker 2: But if there's some level of intelligence to it as well, 856 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,720 Speaker 2: then that would make it. You know, it would seem 857 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:51,279 Speaker 2: pretty effective at staying off the radar. But again, there's 858 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,759 Speaker 2: plenty of animals out there that we're not running into 859 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,440 Speaker 2: constantly because when we're being noisy and trapesing through the woods, 860 00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,480 Speaker 2: they note a scatter and get out of our way. 861 00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,279 Speaker 2: So but again I am not a primatologist. I am 862 00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:07,080 Speaker 2: like the lore and the stories of Bigfoot and Sasquatch 863 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:11,160 Speaker 2: across cultures across the world is compelling to me. Yeah, 864 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,359 Speaker 2: and the stories I've heard from people is compelling to 865 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:18,600 Speaker 2: me because it just keeps overlapping and there is these 866 00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:25,000 Speaker 2: patterns to the stories. I also think that as we 867 00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:29,160 Speaker 2: continue to wipe out the woods the forested areas, it's 868 00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,120 Speaker 2: probably going to increase the likelihood that we will come 869 00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,800 Speaker 2: upon probably a dead Bigfoot at some point. 870 00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,239 Speaker 1: I mean, at least in the paranormal TV shows which 871 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,640 Speaker 1: you are a part of. And they're all amazing that 872 00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,359 Speaker 1: the Netflix show is awesome. 873 00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:44,680 Speaker 2: Thank you. They're not all amazing. 874 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:46,839 Speaker 1: Well, the ones that you're a part of, I think 875 00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,640 Speaker 1: are twenty eight Days Haunted. Yeah, it's very cool, very 876 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:54,080 Speaker 1: well done. Love that show. I feel like every and 877 00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,160 Speaker 1: this is not a disc but every Bigfoot show that 878 00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,839 Speaker 1: I've seen, I mean, you never see Bigfoot and they're 879 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,160 Speaker 1: always just you know, walking around the woods looking for 880 00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:08,240 Speaker 1: something that's that they never find. At least in every 881 00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:12,680 Speaker 1: other UFO show you see footage of something or paranormal, 882 00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,279 Speaker 1: you see some weird chit going on, or you hear 883 00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,960 Speaker 1: a voice, but they never find Bigfoot. They all have 884 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,200 Speaker 1: a story of how they saw Bigfoot one time, but 885 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,600 Speaker 1: conveniently never had their phone. Now, And you know, I think, 886 00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,200 Speaker 1: like on the spectrum like you're saying, where you know, 887 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:33,040 Speaker 1: you want to believe something so badly or you know, 888 00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,600 Speaker 1: I think that that's one of those magnets as well. 889 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:41,320 Speaker 1: But also on the flip side, scientifically, maybe it's possible, 890 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:47,359 Speaker 1: and all those you know, scientific elements explain why it's 891 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:51,080 Speaker 1: so hard to cap and I couldn't prove it either 892 00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:51,920 Speaker 1: way currently. 893 00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:56,880 Speaker 2: So I kind of take well, first off, the paranormal 894 00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:00,800 Speaker 2: TV shows. You know, I love I I've been fortunate 895 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,280 Speaker 2: to be involved with several throughout the years. I know people, 896 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,040 Speaker 2: and I know folks involved with pretty much every show 897 00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:10,040 Speaker 2: that's out there now. And you know, I think by 898 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,319 Speaker 2: and large, most of the people that I've interacted with 899 00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:17,120 Speaker 2: or I consider friends or colleagues or resources, do truly believe, 900 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,560 Speaker 2: you know, in what they're trying to do. That said, 901 00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:25,279 Speaker 2: paranormal TV shows are ultimately it's it's entertainment. It's entertainment TV. 902 00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,880 Speaker 2: And pass forget it is a TV it is a 903 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,120 Speaker 2: TV show. It's like no one it is. 904 00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,440 Speaker 1: Something has to happen. Yeah, because it's a TV show 905 00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,200 Speaker 1: and that kind of what you mean, Well, I don't 906 00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:42,520 Speaker 1: whether it's really going on or not. You gotta if 907 00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:43,960 Speaker 1: you get a shot that looked good. 908 00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,480 Speaker 2: It's I mean, I personally have never been involved with 909 00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:52,720 Speaker 2: anything that has had any kind of uh fakery taking place. 910 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,839 Speaker 2: Right then again, intentionally hoaxing something, yeah, yeah, And then 911 00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,759 Speaker 2: again the shows that I've been a part of, like 912 00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,920 Speaker 2: a lot of time i'm working as a host, I'm 913 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,399 Speaker 2: you know, I'm doing I'm not necessarily the guy that's 914 00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:08,759 Speaker 2: out there doing that ghost hunt, you know. But that said, Okay, 915 00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:12,880 Speaker 2: so paranormal TV is entertainment, and I would never say 916 00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:17,560 Speaker 2: to anyone go watch this show and choose to believe 917 00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,160 Speaker 2: or not believe, or go watch this show and say 918 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:25,879 Speaker 2: I now know how to be a primatologist, or it's 919 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,920 Speaker 2: it's a snapshot of a moment. 920 00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,600 Speaker 1: Yeah currently yeah watching this, Yes, yes. 921 00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,720 Speaker 2: It can be, I hope with a lot of projects 922 00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,600 Speaker 2: that I've involved with, Like I love doing paranormal caught 923 00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,880 Speaker 2: on camera because even if it's a clip that I 924 00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,799 Speaker 2: don't love, ultimately, if I can talk about a piece 925 00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,240 Speaker 2: of lore and another part of the world, that's pretty 926 00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,800 Speaker 2: freaking cool. You know, if I can introduce the notion 927 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,880 Speaker 2: of a night marcher or a you know, a lobostomeim 928 00:51:55,840 --> 00:52:00,279 Speaker 2: in Brazil, you know that's pretty cool. But still I 929 00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:04,720 Speaker 2: would never advise anyone to just watch it and forget 930 00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:09,440 Speaker 2: the fact that it is entertainment, not saying that people 931 00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:13,239 Speaker 2: are taking things left and right. Does it happen? I'm 932 00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,000 Speaker 2: sure it has happened. Have I ever been a part 933 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:15,239 Speaker 2: of it? 934 00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,400 Speaker 1: No? I feel like everything's happened once, so I at 935 00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:19,120 Speaker 1: least once. 936 00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:24,960 Speaker 2: I'm sure there's been some funny business taking place, like 937 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,680 Speaker 2: with paranormal investigations. I tell people, if you want to 938 00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:33,440 Speaker 2: go out there and explore this stuff, the shows are entertainment, 939 00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,560 Speaker 2: but it's not teaching you how to do that thing. Yeah, 940 00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:40,120 Speaker 2: it's a snapshot of a moment. Yes, so yeah, you 941 00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,959 Speaker 2: can't read into it too much. I mean I see 942 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,600 Speaker 2: people on Twitter, you know, breaking down some show. 943 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,239 Speaker 1: I'm like, guys, it's a show, like you know, you're 944 00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:54,480 Speaker 1: not breaking down the evidence, you're just breaking down an edit. 945 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:59,320 Speaker 2: Well, it's if someone was going to do a show 946 00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:03,560 Speaker 2: about being a reporter, they're going to show the sexiest 947 00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,480 Speaker 2: moments from that job. 948 00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,600 Speaker 1: They're not gonna show in a show like that, I 949 00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,680 Speaker 1: mean up and vanished my other podcasts. We we did 950 00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:16,040 Speaker 1: a docuseries on Oxygen, and you know, it was all 951 00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,920 Speaker 1: real and the realist moments were the ones where I 952 00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,040 Speaker 1: went and knocked on the bad guy's door at the end. 953 00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,000 Speaker 1: But there were times where we were just sitting around 954 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:28,319 Speaker 1: a table just saying shit for an edit, right, like 955 00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,680 Speaker 1: to connect A to B. But every interview I did 956 00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,400 Speaker 1: was really there, and all the emotion is real. But 957 00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,280 Speaker 1: we're still making a show here. 958 00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:43,880 Speaker 2: And you're not seeing the hours of either researching things 959 00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,360 Speaker 2: or trying to come up with like you know what 960 00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,880 Speaker 2: connect the dots, like, like I said, the moment of 961 00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,160 Speaker 2: me all together and making sense of any of it, right, Yeah, 962 00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,640 Speaker 2: like me walking around my again, walking around my place eating, 963 00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:56,920 Speaker 2: see myself. 964 00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,120 Speaker 1: You don't see the cheese eating in your underwear, right, 965 00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,439 Speaker 1: and you haven't showered five days. You don't see that. Yeah, 966 00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,120 Speaker 1: It's like and you shouldn't. I don't, you know, I 967 00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:04,200 Speaker 1: don't want anyone to see that. 968 00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,240 Speaker 2: Nobody of me be seeing that. Yeah, So they're seeing 969 00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:11,680 Speaker 2: a snapshot of people's doing people doing these paranormal investigations. 970 00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:15,239 Speaker 2: They're not seeing the full uh, you know, investigation, and 971 00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:18,960 Speaker 2: they're not. I wouldn't say become an expert at anything 972 00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:20,440 Speaker 2: by watching TV anything. 973 00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:27,520 Speaker 1: Since I've made radio rental, I get asked a lot, 974 00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,200 Speaker 1: you know, do you have your own radio rental story? 975 00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:32,880 Speaker 1: And you know there is a story that comes to 976 00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,520 Speaker 1: mind immediately every single time, but I've I've never told 977 00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:40,160 Speaker 1: it on a podcast. But because you shared your story 978 00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,520 Speaker 1: with me, I'll give you the shorter version of it 979 00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,880 Speaker 1: because it's kind of over a period of time, and 980 00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:51,160 Speaker 1: this is what I witnessed that convinced me that there 981 00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,480 Speaker 1: was some other shit going on for real. So this 982 00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:59,799 Speaker 1: would have been in probably twenty fifteen, and I was 983 00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,520 Speaker 1: with my ex girlfriend at the time, and I was 984 00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:05,920 Speaker 1: a filmmaker back then doing freelance stuff and I had 985 00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,839 Speaker 1: a little office. It was shitty, but I would stay 986 00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:12,359 Speaker 1: there late and edit stuff. I was there late this 987 00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:14,640 Speaker 1: night and I told her I was probably gonna be 988 00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,880 Speaker 1: there till like two am. I had a deadline in 989 00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,680 Speaker 1: the morning. And right as I'm getting into my car 990 00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:25,480 Speaker 1: heading home, she uh calls me and I answered, She's like, 991 00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,680 Speaker 1: are you on the way home? As, yeah, I'm leaving now, 992 00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,719 Speaker 1: and she just sounded very concerned. She's like, well, can 993 00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,279 Speaker 1: you can you hurry? And I'm like, uh yeah, like 994 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,239 Speaker 1: is everything okay? I'll tell you when you get here. 995 00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:41,400 Speaker 1: And then she hangs up and I'm like, well, full shit, 996 00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:45,040 Speaker 1: Like is there are you like being held hostage right now? 997 00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,239 Speaker 1: Is there someone like robbing the house? Like what am 998 00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,759 Speaker 1: I going to be confronted with when I get here? 999 00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,960 Speaker 1: And so it was an agonizing fifteen minute drive. I 1000 00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:59,439 Speaker 1: get there, unlock the door, just hern here and she's 1001 00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:03,359 Speaker 1: sitting on the bed and she is white as a 1002 00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:08,200 Speaker 1: sheet and clearly terrified. And I'm like, okay, what's going on? 1003 00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,680 Speaker 1: What happened? And she said that she was folding clothes 1004 00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,600 Speaker 1: and was like down on her knees and putting clothes 1005 00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:19,160 Speaker 1: into the drawers, and she felt a hand on her shoulder, 1006 00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,280 Speaker 1: and so my first thought is okay, like an actual hand, 1007 00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:28,480 Speaker 1: like like a physical hand. She's yes, okay, I'm going 1008 00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,760 Speaker 1: with you. I'm believing you on this. And it didn't 1009 00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,279 Speaker 1: end there. She said she got freaked out, and so 1010 00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,040 Speaker 1: she turned the lights off to go to sleep, and 1011 00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,320 Speaker 1: she got under the covers and one of these standing 1012 00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,680 Speaker 1: lamps we have in the room fell over and broke, 1013 00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,200 Speaker 1: and I look over and it's back standing up now, 1014 00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,600 Speaker 1: but the glass on it had broke. I was like, okay, 1015 00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:52,360 Speaker 1: and so I walk over there, but being a little skeptical, 1016 00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,040 Speaker 1: and I just give it a little nudge, and it's 1017 00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,279 Speaker 1: not going anywhere. I was like, come on, like, why 1018 00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,959 Speaker 1: isn't this just falling down right now? I really wanted 1019 00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,000 Speaker 1: just to crash with just a little bit of wind, 1020 00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:08,000 Speaker 1: but it would have taken some decent force to push 1021 00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:11,960 Speaker 1: it over, and so I was obviously terrified. For the 1022 00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:13,480 Speaker 1: rest of the night, I'm like, okay, cool, my new 1023 00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:18,160 Speaker 1: apartment is haunted, right, And so I didn't sleep a wink. 1024 00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:22,880 Speaker 1: And for the next two weeks, weird shit kept happening, 1025 00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:27,160 Speaker 1: but it was always kind of happening seemingly to her 1026 00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:31,919 Speaker 1: and not really me. The two things that I did 1027 00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:37,280 Speaker 1: experience were I went I was in my kitchen and 1028 00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,120 Speaker 1: I went to my bedroom and I came right back 1029 00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:45,080 Speaker 1: and the fridge was open, and I'm positive and I 1030 00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,880 Speaker 1: totally could have just goofed and left it open, but 1031 00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:49,800 Speaker 1: it scared the shit out of me, like I didn't 1032 00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:53,000 Speaker 1: do that. That's one thing you could explain that. The 1033 00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,600 Speaker 1: other one was I was laying in bed one night 1034 00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:59,800 Speaker 1: and my bathroom was probably like from me to my 1035 00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:04,720 Speaker 1: and I heard this weird sound and I tried to 1036 00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:06,640 Speaker 1: recreate it later, and the best I could come up 1037 00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:10,120 Speaker 1: with was if you take a quarter and you just 1038 00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:15,000 Speaker 1: rub it on the countertop of like an apartment bathroom, 1039 00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:19,080 Speaker 1: and it just sounded like it was this scratching sound 1040 00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:24,320 Speaker 1: that was very unique, that wasn't like a creek, and 1041 00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:29,560 Speaker 1: it was audibly coming from inside of the room, not 1042 00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:35,760 Speaker 1: from across the wall whatever. The last straw was one 1043 00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,600 Speaker 1: of our mutual friends came over. You know, we were 1044 00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:42,680 Speaker 1: in a studio apartment. We didn't have very much room 1045 00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:44,880 Speaker 1: to sleep. He just slept on the floor with some 1046 00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:48,040 Speaker 1: sheets and pillows. I wake up in the morning to 1047 00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,120 Speaker 1: get to make some coffee. I see him and he 1048 00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:56,560 Speaker 1: is terrified looking and I see this big, huge potted 1049 00:58:56,600 --> 00:59:01,840 Speaker 1: plant that we have just fucking broken soil everywhere on 1050 00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:03,840 Speaker 1: the ground next to him. I was like, what the 1051 00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:07,160 Speaker 1: hell happened? He said, I literally just woke up and 1052 00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:12,720 Speaker 1: this thing just tipped over and broke. I was like what. 1053 00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:17,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, if you're branking me, this is some bullshit, 1054 00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,120 Speaker 1: because this is a lot to clean up. And that's 1055 00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:24,680 Speaker 1: like an expensive pot from my mom, and I'm like, okay, 1056 00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,000 Speaker 1: fuck this, we're burning stage, We're doing all this stuff. 1057 00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,760 Speaker 1: And someone had told me one time, and I don't 1058 00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:33,600 Speaker 1: remember who it was, I was willing to try anything. 1059 00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:35,760 Speaker 1: I was like, there's something going on in my house, 1060 00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:39,440 Speaker 1: real or not. I'm over this shit, someone told me. 1061 00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,360 Speaker 1: And this could totally be some bullshit. It probably is. 1062 00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:44,600 Speaker 1: If you take a glass of water and you put 1063 00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:48,480 Speaker 1: a knife in it, then maybe it'll go away. I 1064 00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:51,280 Speaker 1: was like, whatever, I'll try anything. So I did this, 1065 00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,480 Speaker 1: and a full day went by because shit was happening 1066 00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:58,320 Speaker 1: every day and we were good. And so then she 1067 00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,600 Speaker 1: went out of town the next day and I was 1068 01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:04,040 Speaker 1: woke up around two in the morning to this screaming 1069 01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:09,000 Speaker 1: sound and it was definitely a man's voice, and it 1070 01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:12,040 Speaker 1: was coming from outside in the hallway. I opened the 1071 01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:16,320 Speaker 1: door and I see ten other neighbors with their doors open, 1072 01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,600 Speaker 1: and my next door neighbor, who I had never met 1073 01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:25,280 Speaker 1: or even seen yet, was running around the hallway screaming, 1074 01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:30,320 Speaker 1: just bloody murder, and we were all freaking out, didn't 1075 01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,840 Speaker 1: know what to do. Someone called nine one, paramedics came. 1076 01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:39,560 Speaker 1: They literally strapped him to a stretcher and took him off, 1077 01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:44,800 Speaker 1: and I was like, holy shit, what happened? Like mental breakdown? 1078 01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. And so I told my friend about 1079 01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:51,240 Speaker 1: this that next morning before the Falcons game, and later 1080 01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,160 Speaker 1: on that night, we came back sad that we lost 1081 01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:58,240 Speaker 1: and didn't go to the super Bowl, and confidentially I 1082 01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,720 Speaker 1: was going to buy some weed and I went to 1083 01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:06,000 Speaker 1: my car first to get some like some cash out, 1084 01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:10,480 Speaker 1: and as I'm walking back to my apartment door, I 1085 01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:14,800 Speaker 1: hear a voice coming from inside of his apartment. And so, 1086 01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:18,880 Speaker 1: because of what I witnessed the night before, which was 1087 01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:22,360 Speaker 1: really scary, and you know, it seemed like he was 1088 01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:25,960 Speaker 1: unsafe in that state, I put my ear to the 1089 01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:30,920 Speaker 1: door and I could hear him talking to himself the 1090 01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,479 Speaker 1: way that I heard it, and I was picturing because 1091 01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:36,320 Speaker 1: we had the same apartment. It wasn't like he was 1092 01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,840 Speaker 1: talking to himself. It seemed like he was talking to 1093 01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:45,400 Speaker 1: something else that wasn't there, but that he was convinced 1094 01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:49,760 Speaker 1: was or he or was there. He wasn't like talking 1095 01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,920 Speaker 1: to himself. He was like threatening something else to stop 1096 01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:57,640 Speaker 1: or asking something else to stop that wasn't him. And 1097 01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:01,520 Speaker 1: it just got louder and louder, and I was like, 1098 01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:05,760 Speaker 1: holy shit, like, is someone in there? Is he being, 1099 01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,919 Speaker 1: you know, held up by a knife right now? It's 1100 01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,040 Speaker 1: what it sounded like. So I knocked on the door 1101 01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:14,680 Speaker 1: and say, hey, are you okay? Complete silence, and I 1102 01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:19,440 Speaker 1: was like, oh, that doesn't sound good. And I have 1103 01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:23,880 Speaker 1: my ear there for thirty more seconds, absolutely not a peep. 1104 01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:26,520 Speaker 1: Then my friend's like, cool, let's go. The guy's ready 1105 01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:29,880 Speaker 1: to meet for weed. I'm like okay. And so the 1106 01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:33,560 Speaker 1: whole ride there, I'm thinking, I'm like, that didn't feel right. 1107 01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:38,520 Speaker 1: That didn't sound right. I didn't like that. And so 1108 01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:41,439 Speaker 1: all of twenty five minutes goes by and I come 1109 01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:45,760 Speaker 1: back and I go out on my balcony and I 1110 01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:51,160 Speaker 1: hear sirens and I'm like, I just know they're coming here, 1111 01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:57,360 Speaker 1: And sure enough they did, and I looked down and 1112 01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:04,880 Speaker 1: this is horrible. He had jumped from the balcony and 1113 01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:10,560 Speaker 1: had pierced himself through I may I learned later the details, 1114 01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:14,280 Speaker 1: but he was basically just pierced inside this metal fence 1115 01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:16,640 Speaker 1: that has the sharp top to it, and they had 1116 01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:20,560 Speaker 1: to use the jaws of life to get him out. 1117 01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:27,400 Speaker 1: And it was fucking terrifying. And so months later he 1118 01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:31,240 Speaker 1: ended up surviving, but his mother was coming to get 1119 01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:34,040 Speaker 1: his stuff and she was asking she saw me leave 1120 01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:37,120 Speaker 1: the apartment, and she just asked what I saw, because 1121 01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:40,560 Speaker 1: it was a very confusing story about a guy who, 1122 01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:44,520 Speaker 1: according to her and every friend, was totally normal, never 1123 01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:47,520 Speaker 1: had any episodes like this before, and it was a 1124 01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:52,680 Speaker 1: total freak thing. I didn't dig super into the paranormal 1125 01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,120 Speaker 1: part of anything, but has told her literally exactly what 1126 01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:58,760 Speaker 1: I witnessed. But in hindsight later, as I just kind 1127 01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,960 Speaker 1: of sat with it over the year, I started thinking, 1128 01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:06,080 Speaker 1: what if there was any connection at all from that 1129 01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:08,600 Speaker 1: shit that I know was real that I was experiencing 1130 01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:12,240 Speaker 1: in my apartment and then just all of a sudden ceased. 1131 01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:15,360 Speaker 1: And then the next thing, you know, the guy next 1132 01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:17,960 Speaker 1: to me has this breakdown that is so out of 1133 01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:21,960 Speaker 1: his character and harms himself. I don't want to like 1134 01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:25,120 Speaker 1: make assumptions and say that that's what happened, because it's 1135 01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:28,080 Speaker 1: a tragedy. Thankfully they were able to me, they were 1136 01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:31,040 Speaker 1: able to sue the hospital because they let he was 1137 01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:34,080 Speaker 1: being suicidal and they let him out too early, And 1138 01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it wouldn't have happened had they not let 1139 01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,880 Speaker 1: him out. But they did. But I always just it 1140 01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:44,200 Speaker 1: always fucked with me what I was experiencing. And then 1141 01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:48,440 Speaker 1: this happened. And you know, I've never told it as 1142 01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:52,000 Speaker 1: a radio rental story because it's you know, it's it's 1143 01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:55,240 Speaker 1: there's a family who suffered from this, and it's probably 1144 01:04:56,040 --> 01:05:01,760 Speaker 1: it's it's a permanent thing, but it was. It was 1145 01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:05,200 Speaker 1: so crazy to me, and I can't help but think 1146 01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:07,280 Speaker 1: about weird connections. 1147 01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:09,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry for the loment to store, but no, no, 1148 01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:12,320 Speaker 2: I love it your take. I love I mean, I 1149 01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:14,760 Speaker 2: don't love it. I'm sorry that happened to that guy, 1150 01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:20,080 Speaker 2: But I mean I love the story because it does 1151 01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:23,520 Speaker 2: make you wonder. It's easy to like jump to all 1152 01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,760 Speaker 2: the negative things, okay, and I do think there's weird 1153 01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:29,919 Speaker 2: stuff out there that's not so nice, but it does 1154 01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,360 Speaker 2: almost make you wonder, like did you clear it out 1155 01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:35,880 Speaker 2: of your place and then it went next door? You know, 1156 01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:37,000 Speaker 2: did it right? 1157 01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:40,840 Speaker 1: Did it? I mean, all I know is that something 1158 01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:47,400 Speaker 1: was definitively happening that was not nice or friendly in 1159 01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:50,520 Speaker 1: my apartment and then it stopped and then this happened. 1160 01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:54,760 Speaker 1: That's all. That's all I know factually, and from how 1161 01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:59,200 Speaker 1: surprised they were at this episode, I was like, what 1162 01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,240 Speaker 1: the fuck? I don't know? 1163 01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:09,920 Speaker 2: Yeah it it also it's interesting how a place, So 1164 01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:14,280 Speaker 2: what whatever a ghost is. I don't think it has 1165 01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:17,960 Speaker 2: to be connected to some sort of tragic event that 1166 01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,800 Speaker 2: took place or some significant history or whatever. I think 1167 01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:24,720 Speaker 2: anywhere can be haunted. I bet you know there's probably 1168 01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:28,600 Speaker 2: some uh freakin' ikea that's like loaded with ghosts that 1169 01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:30,680 Speaker 2: no one's paying attention to because then they're not kid. 1170 01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:34,520 Speaker 1: All over that part. Sure and just yeah, yes, but 1171 01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:36,320 Speaker 1: they're not doing it's assembling anything. 1172 01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:39,920 Speaker 2: No, it should be no. And maybe there's attachments to 1173 01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,680 Speaker 2: something you get at I cam, maybe you're home. 1174 01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:45,840 Speaker 1: Always missing the one screw that you need and. 1175 01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:48,800 Speaker 2: You're like, why is my fruit for nog and moving 1176 01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:51,800 Speaker 2: across the room on its own? I didn't, I didn't 1177 01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:56,160 Speaker 2: order it. Just yeah, as a ghost. I mean, so, 1178 01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:58,400 Speaker 2: I don't think whatever we're dealing with has to be 1179 01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:01,640 Speaker 2: connected to like history or bad things happening. 1180 01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:02,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. 1181 01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,680 Speaker 2: I like, so, I'm I live in Brooklyn and the 1182 01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:07,200 Speaker 2: place that I'm in is an old walk up building, 1183 01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:10,080 Speaker 2: loads of history, there, loads of things that have taken place. 1184 01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:13,520 Speaker 2: But you know, I don't think anything that I'm aware 1185 01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:17,439 Speaker 2: of was like, uh, necessarily like significant or that took 1186 01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:20,360 Speaker 2: place there. Yeah, but there was a time and I 1187 01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:24,040 Speaker 2: lived there for a while. There's a time that I 1188 01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:28,120 Speaker 2: was away for a long stretch handful of months and 1189 01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:31,160 Speaker 2: came back and nothing really weird had been taking place 1190 01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,720 Speaker 2: at my apartment prior to that. But I come back 1191 01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:38,320 Speaker 2: in and it was almost like I picked up a 1192 01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:41,720 Speaker 2: spectral squatter while while I was gone. I come back 1193 01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:44,760 Speaker 2: to this apartment and then weird stuff starts happening out 1194 01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:47,680 Speaker 2: of nowhere. I'm like, okay, this is kind of different. 1195 01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:47,960 Speaker 1: Then. 1196 01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:52,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it very much felt like I was suddenly sharing 1197 01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:55,280 Speaker 2: a space with someone that hadn't been there before. 1198 01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:56,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a not good feeling. 1199 01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,960 Speaker 2: Well, it wasn't. It was more annoying, That's what I was. 1200 01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:03,520 Speaker 1: More annoyed. You know, this is not my safe place anymore. 1201 01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:07,400 Speaker 1: And I sound nuts. I called my one uncle, who 1202 01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:09,600 Speaker 1: was like, Okay, here's what you gotta do. I'm like, 1203 01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:13,160 Speaker 1: who's the guy who's gonna just absolutely believe me here? 1204 01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:15,120 Speaker 1: But I was like, I don't feel like dealing with 1205 01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:16,080 Speaker 1: this shit right now. 1206 01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:18,360 Speaker 2: And that's it. It's like, and that's the kind of 1207 01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:20,960 Speaker 2: story that I love hearing. From people. We said, like 1208 01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:23,080 Speaker 2: there's the stories that are somewhat reluctant that people are 1209 01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:26,360 Speaker 2: reluctant to. Yeah, that's compelling, but also that very human 1210 01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:29,800 Speaker 2: reaction of like I just can't be bothered with this 1211 01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:31,559 Speaker 2: right now, Like this is just annoying. 1212 01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:35,280 Speaker 1: And I was upset about it. Yeah, And it was 1213 01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:39,160 Speaker 1: always weird that it never seemed to fuck with me directly, 1214 01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:42,080 Speaker 1: but it fucked with other people who came over and 1215 01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:44,760 Speaker 1: my girlfriend at the time. Yeah. And I don't know 1216 01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:48,320 Speaker 1: if that if that's for any particular reason, but I 1217 01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:50,160 Speaker 1: did witness all the things that happened, and I did 1218 01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:52,400 Speaker 1: hear and see stuff, so I know it is happening, 1219 01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:56,040 Speaker 1: but it was never you know, grabbing my shoulder. But 1220 01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:58,519 Speaker 1: I was also probably giving off this like get the 1221 01:08:58,520 --> 01:08:59,880 Speaker 1: fuck out of here energy. 1222 01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:05,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I And who knows what is like going through 1223 01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:08,280 Speaker 2: the quote unquote mind of whatever you're dealing with. Who 1224 01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:12,640 Speaker 2: knows if like that thing was viewing your girlfriend at 1225 01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:14,840 Speaker 2: the time as sort of the easy target or your 1226 01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:17,160 Speaker 2: friend as the easy target, that's what and they felt like. 1227 01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:19,519 Speaker 1: And I don't want to make the assumption, but it 1228 01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:22,080 Speaker 1: kind of felt like that because I was, you know, 1229 01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:24,680 Speaker 1: I was convinced that it was real at a certain point, 1230 01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:27,519 Speaker 1: but I was perplexed as I was also thankful that 1231 01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:30,439 Speaker 1: it was not fucking with me, but it just didn't, 1232 01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:33,640 Speaker 1: but also almost felt like I knew that it wouldn't. 1233 01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:36,320 Speaker 2: So I think, you know, maybe there's some nasty business 1234 01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:39,559 Speaker 2: out there that finds its targets, you know, and goes 1235 01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:43,240 Speaker 2: after them in that way, if ghosts exists and it's 1236 01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:48,479 Speaker 2: us in some form sticking around, I think that like 1237 01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:51,000 Speaker 2: walk down the streets of New York City, if you 1238 01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:53,360 Speaker 2: say hi to people or tip your hat, most people 1239 01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:56,800 Speaker 2: are gonna be like, oh hey, Some people will not 1240 01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,880 Speaker 2: say anything at all. Some people will say like fuck off, 1241 01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:03,680 Speaker 2: you know, but most people out there are not outwardly 1242 01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:08,320 Speaker 2: evil or bad, right, And I think, why would that 1243 01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:11,040 Speaker 2: not be the same in the case of potential ghosts 1244 01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:14,280 Speaker 2: that are out there. Some are nonplussed, some are friendly, 1245 01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:17,480 Speaker 2: some are jerks, few are actually. 1246 01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:19,720 Speaker 1: And maybe it's more fragmented than that. Maybe it's not 1247 01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:24,040 Speaker 1: just the ghost of the grumpy grandpa who's just toying 1248 01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:26,680 Speaker 1: with people. It's something that doesn't even know what it 1249 01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:30,400 Speaker 1: is anymore, and it's just like stuck or something, and 1250 01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:35,719 Speaker 1: it's just doing anything to get attention or move around, 1251 01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:39,559 Speaker 1: and it's not really this evil thing. It's more of 1252 01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:43,320 Speaker 1: it's just how we perceive it because it's taunting and 1253 01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:46,640 Speaker 1: it's like scary as hell and it won't stop. But 1254 01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:51,839 Speaker 1: maybe it's not really as malicious as it is perceived 1255 01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:52,920 Speaker 1: sometimes or something. 1256 01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:57,840 Speaker 2: I've been in some locations where my kind of theory 1257 01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:00,840 Speaker 2: coming out of there witnessing some weird activity, my theory 1258 01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:06,840 Speaker 2: coming out of like places like some prisons or places 1259 01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:09,960 Speaker 2: where people suffered a lot, like a you know, like 1260 01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:17,880 Speaker 2: right now, I'm thinking of a Pinhurst Asylum, and you know, 1261 01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:22,440 Speaker 2: people that suffered had a lot of mental and physical challenges. 1262 01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:27,080 Speaker 2: Maybe when they pass on, for some people, there has 1263 01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:31,439 Speaker 2: to be this almost like healing process of like maybe 1264 01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:37,000 Speaker 2: there's something about the ghostly form that's like an afterlife 1265 01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:40,479 Speaker 2: therapy almost like they're they're working through their issues before 1266 01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:43,200 Speaker 2: they kind of move on to that next level whatever 1267 01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:43,679 Speaker 2: it might. 1268 01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:47,320 Speaker 1: Be or back to the science explains everything maybe eventually 1269 01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:50,000 Speaker 1: where it's some imprint, Yeah, where it's just it was 1270 01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:57,000 Speaker 1: so emotional or strong that it just left a imprint 1271 01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:59,679 Speaker 1: and know in time and space or whatever. 1272 01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:03,600 Speaker 2: I love what I do, and I love talking to 1273 01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:05,759 Speaker 2: people and getting stories out of people. And I'm fortunate 1274 01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:08,400 Speaker 2: that I get to travel all around the world. Like 1275 01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:11,880 Speaker 2: I said, when I was a kid, it was called trespassing, 1276 01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:16,080 Speaker 2: and now it's a profession and that's kind of badass. 1277 01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:20,240 Speaker 2: It's like, that is amazing. But also you have to 1278 01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:22,800 Speaker 2: have a sense of humor about this. I've there's some 1279 01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:28,320 Speaker 2: people in the paranormal realm that are constantly wearing black 1280 01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:30,960 Speaker 2: all the time and very serious and like, well, you know, 1281 01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:35,160 Speaker 2: this place is very haunted, and the ghosts don't like 1282 01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:36,840 Speaker 2: it when you do that. You know, they're getting hints 1283 01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:39,439 Speaker 2: all the time, right, dude. Meanwhile, I'll go into a 1284 01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:44,360 Speaker 2: place where I'm like, oh, man. In fact, last week 1285 01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:47,639 Speaker 2: I was in this resort that was said to be haunted, 1286 01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:51,160 Speaker 2: and I'm like, man, but there's some pretty good parties 1287 01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:54,679 Speaker 2: in here, Like, you know, did you guys like to party? 1288 01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:59,200 Speaker 2: And you start getting interactions, you almost start getting activity 1289 01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:02,760 Speaker 2: when you're joking around about the weirdness of all of this. 1290 01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:07,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, like you can't take yourself even too seriously or 1291 01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:10,200 Speaker 1: else that even sounds maddening, all right, I. 1292 01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:14,559 Speaker 2: Mean and boring and boring. It's like, if you're gonna 1293 01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:17,680 Speaker 2: do this as a job and not occasionally be able 1294 01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:20,479 Speaker 2: to laugh at yourself and laugh at just the universe, 1295 01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:23,640 Speaker 2: You're kind of missing the point. Yeah, I mean, I 1296 01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:25,840 Speaker 2: don't really know what's going on. I have lots of 1297 01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:30,080 Speaker 2: ideas and theories, but and I think it's pretty cool 1298 01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:32,559 Speaker 2: out there. The universe is a pretty cool place. 1299 01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:32,960 Speaker 1: M h. 1300 01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:36,280 Speaker 2: I also think it's freaking weird and freaking hilarious. 1301 01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:37,639 Speaker 1: So it is, it's absurd. 1302 01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:39,600 Speaker 2: Having a sense of humor about what I do and 1303 01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:41,560 Speaker 2: also just about the universe is necessary. 1304 01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:45,320 Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate that about all your work, and I'm 1305 01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:48,599 Speaker 1: just I'm a huge fan and I'm impressed by all 1306 01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:50,400 Speaker 1: the shit that you've done and I'm looking forward to 1307 01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:53,519 Speaker 1: what you got coming next. And let me be on 1308 01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:55,519 Speaker 1: your podcast next, dude. Yeah, we need to get you 1309 01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:59,559 Speaker 1: back on the on my show on the podcast. Yeah absolutely, so, No, 1310 01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:01,880 Speaker 1: I know what like, I like what you do and 1311 01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:04,880 Speaker 1: it's weird, just like it's funny to me that we 1312 01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:08,840 Speaker 1: kind of weirdly moved in similar circles for a while 1313 01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:13,599 Speaker 1: before actually meeting one another. Yeah, totally, and then one 1314 01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:15,960 Speaker 1: day there was the connection made and now we're kind 1315 01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:19,120 Speaker 1: of in our zeitgeist bubble thing that. Yeah, I mean 1316 01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:20,679 Speaker 1: you're like, you're like one of the first people kingdom. 1317 01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:22,320 Speaker 1: My way, I need to talk to Aaron on my 1318 01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:24,679 Speaker 1: show because this is we'd have a fun convoke. 1319 01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:29,240 Speaker 2: Well, what we should do is, you know, the ghost 1320 01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:31,360 Speaker 2: stories are cool, haunting places are cool. I love it. 1321 01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:36,360 Speaker 2: But there is such an interesting extra level of weirdness 1322 01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:39,240 Speaker 2: out there that I think it would be fun to 1323 01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:43,920 Speaker 2: explore with you, Like when you're talking about urban legends. Yeah, 1324 01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:46,759 Speaker 2: when you go into you know, outside of New York City, 1325 01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:49,280 Speaker 2: just go forty minutes down the road and you'll find 1326 01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:53,599 Speaker 2: places where they have these super creepy stories, super creepy lore, 1327 01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:56,680 Speaker 2: And I think there's. 1328 01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:58,960 Speaker 1: Some people to be a cool dynamic there because I'll 1329 01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:01,800 Speaker 1: probably be like, I'm not like a huge skeptic, but 1330 01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:05,920 Speaker 1: I'm also not not a skeptic in the healthy sense. 1331 01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:08,799 Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, that's that sounds like some bullshit, 1332 01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:12,240 Speaker 1: but let's see. Yeah, well dude, I don't wait, never mind, 1333 01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:15,000 Speaker 1: it's not. But I think that, you know, that would 1334 01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,040 Speaker 1: be a fun balance. We could go find the Jersey 1335 01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:18,680 Speaker 1: Devil or something. Only if we do it naked though. 1336 01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:20,280 Speaker 1: That's the only way I'd ever do it. And I 1337 01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:23,040 Speaker 1: think that that's what the ghosts want, and that's how 1338 01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:25,160 Speaker 1: we're gonna get some this shit onto the stipulation. 1339 01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:27,920 Speaker 2: All right, pain, I guess this is what's happening. Let's 1340 01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:28,080 Speaker 2: do it. 1341 01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:29,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, Hey, I don't make the rules. 1342 01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:32,639 Speaker 2: It's a good thing. Actually heard under that. 1343 01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:34,880 Speaker 1: Flowed me some ideas. Man, Yeah, that's that sounds super fun. 1344 01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:37,360 Speaker 1: And I mean Mike's just as into this ship as 1345 01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:39,880 Speaker 1: Yeah we are, and you know, we we've liked that 1346 01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:43,080 Speaker 1: we've been able to explore, you know, outside of true 1347 01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:44,880 Speaker 1: crime and all the other weird stuff that we've always 1348 01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:46,280 Speaker 1: been into as kids too. Yeah. 1349 01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:50,160 Speaker 2: So, and that's if at the end of the day, 1350 01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:53,280 Speaker 2: like I don't I don't even label myself a believer, 1351 01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:55,840 Speaker 2: Like I say, I think there's something going on out 1352 01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:59,880 Speaker 2: there and I don't know what it is, but you know, 1353 01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:01,880 Speaker 2: have lots of ideas. But at the end of the day, 1354 01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:07,800 Speaker 2: let's say there is nothing else going on and this 1355 01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:12,120 Speaker 2: is it and we're just you know, meat bags. We die. 1356 01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:17,080 Speaker 2: The universe is just us. If that's it, it's still 1357 01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:21,120 Speaker 2: pretty rad that I have gotten to do this, that 1358 01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:25,400 Speaker 2: we get to do this, Like if we're just kids 1359 01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:29,760 Speaker 2: playing pretend and poking around literally and figuratively in the dark. 1360 01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:31,439 Speaker 2: That's still pretty freakin cool. 1361 01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:35,599 Speaker 1: That's pretty pretty badass. Also, I think that would say 1362 01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:39,600 Speaker 1: we have such a great imagination at this point that 1363 01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:42,160 Speaker 1: we've convinced ourselves that there is something going on when 1364 01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:45,920 Speaker 1: there's not. And to me, that sounds a little walkier 1365 01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:49,719 Speaker 1: than there being some little nuggets of truth in there. 1366 01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:57,000 Speaker 2: It makes me, I think, philosophically thinking a lot about 1367 01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:05,120 Speaker 2: weird stuff and pursuing weird stuff. It's philosophically it makes 1368 01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:10,960 Speaker 2: me a happy person, I think, because I do get 1369 01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:18,080 Speaker 2: to play in this imaginative snapbox. And it also I 1370 01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:21,320 Speaker 2: think kind of prepares you for the daily weird stuff 1371 01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:26,080 Speaker 2: in a way like if a flying saucer appeared overtime 1372 01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:28,519 Speaker 2: Square and the aliens are like, hey, we're here. On 1373 01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:31,000 Speaker 2: some level, I'd be like, well, I kind of expected this. 1374 01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:33,200 Speaker 2: I've spent you know, since like what are. 1375 01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:33,600 Speaker 1: You bringing y? 1376 01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:35,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Like all right, you're here. 1377 01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:38,400 Speaker 1: I'll bet have anti gravity in there because we are 1378 01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:39,439 Speaker 1: in desperate need of it. 1379 01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:41,400 Speaker 2: I think we've got a few other things we need 1380 01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:42,639 Speaker 2: to take care of before we get the. 1381 01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:44,479 Speaker 1: Probably I'm trying to get the hell out here, That's 1382 01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:45,400 Speaker 1: what I'm saying I don't. 1383 01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:48,000 Speaker 2: Know that we should be trusted with like flying cars 1384 01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:51,040 Speaker 2: just yet or jet packs. But I will take a 1385 01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:51,479 Speaker 2: jet pack. 1386 01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:53,559 Speaker 1: You, you and I we could get I mean, I 1387 01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:56,439 Speaker 1: still want to test it out. I want one, but 1388 01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:57,679 Speaker 1: I don't think we should all have one. 1389 01:17:57,800 --> 01:17:59,960 Speaker 2: I will most certainly take a jet packs. 1390 01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:01,200 Speaker 1: Everyone would say that. 1391 01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:03,920 Speaker 2: But you know, thinking about the weird stuff also prepares you, 1392 01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:07,639 Speaker 2: I think, for the day to day challenges in a way, 1393 01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:10,880 Speaker 2: because you just have to laugh a little bit. And 1394 01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:13,280 Speaker 2: like when you get stuck on the subway like I 1395 01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:15,920 Speaker 2: was today and you know, I didn't know how long 1396 01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:16,680 Speaker 2: I was going to be there. 1397 01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:18,760 Speaker 1: I could die here. It's like probably not. 1398 01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:21,479 Speaker 2: I'm like, but so it goes. You know, it's a 1399 01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:25,600 Speaker 2: quote Kurt Vonnegutt. It's like, so it goes like it 1400 01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:28,040 Speaker 2: just it kind of levels you out a little bit, 1401 01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:28,840 Speaker 2: if that makes sense. 1402 01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:32,479 Speaker 1: No, I like that. Yeah, well, thanks again, man. This 1403 01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:35,040 Speaker 1: has been an absolute blast, and thanks for coming to 1404 01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:40,240 Speaker 1: me and doing it in person. It's just a fun experience. Man, dude, 1405 01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:42,479 Speaker 1: Let's keep talking about shit, like, let's figure out the 1406 01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:44,040 Speaker 1: next move and tell me more about what you're doing, 1407 01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:45,559 Speaker 1: and yeah, figure some shit out. 1408 01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:48,400 Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate you having me on. I also had 1409 01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:50,479 Speaker 2: a lot of fun. And it's also a lot easier 1410 01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:53,080 Speaker 2: to do this in person as opposed to it is 1411 01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:57,439 Speaker 2: virtually where you don't have that dynamic yep. But yeah, man, 1412 01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:00,720 Speaker 2: let's go and find Mothman in Jersey Devil and let's 1413 01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:01,479 Speaker 2: get real weird. 1414 01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:03,679 Speaker 1: Tell us where to get the hats? 1415 01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:07,200 Speaker 2: Oh, thank you? 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