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We turned out to a story 11 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: out of Sherman Oaks. Jessica Lewis owns a studio called 12 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: Dragonfly Cycling, a cycling studio, and according to this NBC 13 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: four story, she is begging for help with the problem 14 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: with homeless people around your business. Let's bring Jessica on 15 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: and talk more about this. Welcome to the show. Thank you, 16 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: all right, So tell but when this started and what 17 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:06,119 Speaker 1: you're experiencing there with your business. So Dragonfly has been 18 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: opened for seven years. We opened in twenty fifteen. It 19 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: wasn't perfect then, but it has gotten progressively worse. The 20 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: homeless crisis started to escalate. During COVID, we were doing 21 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: outdoor classes on the parking lot and started being harassed 22 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: by homeless people, drug addicts kind of walking up and 23 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: down the alleyway near where we were hosting the classes. 24 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: It began. Then once we came back indoors, My hope 25 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: was that we had overcome the hardest thing my business 26 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: would have to overcome and we could go back to 27 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: normal operating procedures. But unfortunately that is not the case. 28 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: The crime and the homelessness has escalated, probably months over months. 29 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: There seemed to be a little bit of a pullback 30 00:01:55,320 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: maybe in March April, but May, in June, June specifically, 31 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: I've had six incidents at my little spin studio just 32 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: in the month of June. Everything from a homeless person 33 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: camping out at my front door with mounds of personal belongings, vomit, food, 34 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: you name it. We had a person defecate at the 35 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: front door just last Saturday at five fifteen in the afternoon. Um, 36 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,519 Speaker 1: We've had a car broken into, one of my employee's 37 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: cars broken into in the back parking lot by someone 38 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: just rolling down the alleyway on a bike. Um. And 39 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: you know, if it's not specifically at Dragonfly. It is 40 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: across the street at near the drug store, near the 41 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: donut store, at the in and out seems to be 42 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: a hub for people to hang out. And at the 43 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: gas station just to two doors down from me as well, 44 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: there are it's like constantly on guard. Yes, yeah, this 45 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: is somewhere along ventor A boulevard. Is that where you are? 46 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: It's Van Eyes and Warthook. Okay, so we're about one 47 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: blocks south one of a half blocks south of or sorry, 48 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: I want to have blocks north in winter? And is 49 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: there a homeless encampments nearby? Or these are just individual 50 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: homeless people who just wander the area. Yeah, there was 51 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: an encampment at the Riverside and Van Eyes and they 52 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:24,399 Speaker 1: did eventually take care of that. They being I guess 53 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: CD four Council District four did eventually take care of 54 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: that encampment and all those people and that trash is gone. 55 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: But now it's just random individuals and it's different people 56 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: every single day. What's doing too, what's just doing to 57 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: your business? Oh? Go ahead? Sorry, just last week, I say, 58 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: just last week, a client was talking at one of 59 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: the meters on Van Eyes about five you know, five 60 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: businesses down and was a homeless person was chasing her 61 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: and throwing bottles at her. She literally ran into the 62 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: studio for class in the state of panic. I was like, 63 00:03:57,840 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: closed the doors, closed the doors, close the doors. It 64 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: was and this is becoming a normal occurrence. This is 65 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: on the news last yesterday. I had called ABC and 66 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: NBC and said, hey, can you guys get me some coverage, 67 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: maybe you can help. They showed up yesterday. You would 68 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: have thought I orchestrated the whole thing. Another homeless guy 69 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: came in while the cameras were rolling. They caught the 70 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: whole thing on film, harassing six of my clients and 71 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 1: myself to cameraman everyone at nine thirty in the morning 72 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: on a Tuesday. Did they include that average, Yeah, it 73 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 1: was on ABC's coverage a little bit. You saw the 74 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: guy walking in. He had a massive tattoo on his 75 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: stomach that said asked the police, which to me was 76 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: an indication that this is probably someone who has been 77 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: incarcerated for some hardcore crimes. Yeah, these are not These 78 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: are not people who recently became down and out and 79 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: lost their jobs and are looking to be rehabilitated. These 80 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: are people who are dangerous, are they asking for money, 81 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,559 Speaker 1: or they just come in there and just ran or something. 82 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 1: They ramp, they come in the I mean, now we're 83 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: at the point where we've gotten really used to locking 84 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,799 Speaker 1: the doors other than you know, five minutes before class starts. 85 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: We let everyone in and then we immediately locked the 86 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: doors behind us. But you know, they typically don't ask 87 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: for the bathroom. I mean, sorry, they don't ask for money, 88 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: They asked to use the bathroom, they asked for water, 89 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: or they just come and harass us. I mean, we're 90 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: now equipped with the teaser and we've got pepper spray, 91 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: and we locked the doors all the time that the 92 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: windows have been graffiti. It's it's insanity. You must have 93 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 1: lost customers do this. I did just a couple of 94 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 1: the other day when they saw my post on Facebook, 95 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: said I'm sorry, I haven't been in the studio. You know. 96 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 1: One of the reasons I loved coming was that it 97 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: was walking distance from my home. I didn't have to 98 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: deal with parking. But I'm afraid to walk there because 99 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: in four blocks from you know, Dickens to Moore Park, 100 00:05:55,960 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: they're harassed by five mentally ill people who you know, 101 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: are capable of doing anything to anyone at any time, 102 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: and it's just not it's it's unreal. So let's talk 103 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: about the city response. You're in the council district of 104 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: Nititia Rahman, and they claim that they do send these 105 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: ambassadors out there to deal with the situation. How's that working. 106 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: So that team, which I believe is two people, and 107 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: they work Monday through Friday, they're not They don't work 108 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: on the weekend. That started a couple months ago, and 109 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: I have utilized that service three or four times now. 110 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 1: Yesterday was the first time I used it, actually four dragonfly. 111 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: The other three times was like there was a whole 112 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: encampment getting set up by the Best Buy and so 113 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: I texted them to let them know, hey, you might 114 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: want to do something about this. There was another one 115 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: by the gas station on the seventy six station on 116 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: Van I's Inventora, so I notified them about Yesterday was 117 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: the first time I notified them. The guy did give 118 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 1: him credit. He did arrive within three to four minutes, 119 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: introduced himself to me and said, let me tell me 120 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 1: what happened. Let me go talk to the guy. I 121 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 1: don't understand what talking to the guy's going to do. 122 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: We went across the streets. He had a conversation with him, 123 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: came back and said, I'm really sorry you're dealing with this. 124 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: The guy's clearly intoxicated. I was like, okay, and what's next? Yeah, 125 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: are you going to arrest him and put them behind bars? 126 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,239 Speaker 1: I've called the police. It has been forty five minutes 127 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: to show up. Not their fault, because they've been defunded 128 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: and there's a third of them on the streets that 129 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: we need. Yeah, you know this this uh, this team 130 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: whatever they call it, this team of people who are 131 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: supposed to address the homeless. They're they're they're having conversations 132 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: with them one by one, trying to present them with 133 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: services that are available. But as per the police that 134 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: I spoke to yesterday and everyone else I've talked to you, 135 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: they don't want the services. And unfortunately, the law says 136 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: that if they if they turned down the services, they're 137 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: entitled to loiter and to be intoxicated and to threaten 138 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: people on the street without recourse. I love if we 139 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: did get thrown in jail, we know that they'll be 140 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: out in you know, two hours. I love this quote 141 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: from you in the NBC four story. But you said 142 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: you know what they're doing. It's the equivalent of thoughts 143 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: and prayers when the school is shot up. It really 144 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: is just meaningless virtue signaling from them. Oh yeah, we'll 145 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: send it out each team and they'll talk to the 146 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: guy and that's all we can do. That's correct. And 147 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: that's why yesterday I admittingly spiraled out of control because 148 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: once that guy said I'm really sorry to me, sorrow 149 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: you with like a trigger for thoughts and prayers for 150 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: those poor babies in Texas, and I just I couldn't 151 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: control myself anymore because it's the same answer. I mean, 152 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 1: I have fourteen fifteen sixteen emails that I have spent 153 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: hours putting together sending to Nitthia Rahman and her team, 154 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 1: and every time I send it to them, you know, 155 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh please, you know, meet Ryan. He's the 156 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: newest member of the team, so be sure you see 157 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 1: see him and meet And it's just like they're just 158 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 1: rotate through people and nothing's ever getting done. I think 159 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: it was eight months ago I was promised power washers 160 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: as like, can you at least wash the street so 161 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: that like it's not filled with urine and ccs and vomit. 162 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 1: Nine months, they still haven't got the powerwashers. Now because 163 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: of ABC and NBC covering the story yesterday, somehow the 164 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:22,599 Speaker 1: powerwashers are showing up tomorrow, of course Friday. I apologize, 165 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: but it's like I posted the stuff on next door. 166 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: Next door takes my post down. Yeah, yeah, it's fully 167 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: censored contents. Nothing that was posted was the samatory. It 168 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: was honest and goodness truth. All right, Jessica, I gotta go, 169 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: but I really appreciate you talking to us, and I 170 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: wish you the best. K keep in touch and let 171 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:46,719 Speaker 1: us know how it's going. I hope you can hang 172 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: in there. But it's frustrating, but it is. Thank you 173 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: so much for the coverage as we hate it, all right. 174 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: Jessica Lewis is the owner of a cycling studio Sherman 175 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: Oaks called Dragonfly, and she has just had it with 176 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: what the homeless people are up to death aicating, blocking 177 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: people coming in, going on rants, threatening people. She is 178 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: losing some clients in the city of LA just sends 179 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: out outreach teams who tell her we talked to him. Okay, 180 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: we'll see you later. All right, we got more covered up. 181 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: All right, We're gonna go out now to Tim Leinberger. 182 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: He's one of the officials with the George Gascone recall operation. 183 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: Timmy there. Hey, guys, Yes I'm here, and thanks for 184 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: the opportunity to respond to some of that, because we 185 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: believe much of it was demonstrably false. So well tell 186 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: me this though, before they announced you fell short, at 187 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: any point did you feel like you were going to 188 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: miss the entire time? Guys, we thought this would be 189 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: extremely close, and that was something that we all discussed 190 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: publicly on the air together numerous times, and there was 191 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: not one single day that we did not press urgency 192 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: with this effort or say that we needed to get 193 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: as far above that cushion as possible. But if if 194 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,599 Speaker 1: they were on a one hundred and ninety five thousand signatures, 195 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:07,719 Speaker 1: and you and Steve Cooley and others repeatedly assured us 196 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: that you had a lot of money for a vetting operation, 197 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: Everything was getting vetted, how could you miss buy one 198 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: hundred ninety five thousand, Why would it be close? You 199 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: had well over seven hundred thousand. You did all the vetting, 200 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: so you said you had the money, So you said, 201 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: how could you possibly miss by this much? Well, first 202 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: of all, we were, of course vetting the signatures as 203 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: we went through them, But obviously we could not have 204 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: got through every single signature by submission day, including an 205 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: especially the signatures that were coming in at the very end. 206 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: We collected over one hundred and fifty thousand from mid 207 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: June to early July, So as you're trying to collect 208 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: those and verify them throughout that process, you're inherently not 209 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 1: going to be able to get to all of them. 210 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: That would have been impossible, and that's the whole reason 211 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: for trying to get a twenty to thirty percent cushion. 212 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: Ultimately we got about a twenty five percent cushion. Obviously 213 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: we would have loved to have get more or gotten more. 214 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 1: We were prepared to pay for additional signatures at the end, 215 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: had our paid guys been able to turn them in. 216 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: So and why why why were the numbers lagging up 217 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: until mid June? He said, you had one hundred and 218 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: fifty thousand come in in the final I guess three 219 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 1: weeks or so. Why was that We didn't get any 220 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: sense from any of you guys that the signature gathering 221 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: was slow. Every time you came on, you said everything 222 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: was going on. What I said, I don't think they 223 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: were lagging at all. I think we were at five 224 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty six thousand raw signatures in mid June, 225 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: which is exactly what we announced, and then we went 226 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: on to continue to up that and increase our momentument. Okay, 227 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: but you up up until mid June, you were vetting signatures. 228 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: So we're vetting signatures throughout the fire process. Yes, okay, 229 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 1: so clearly in the push at the end not so much. Well, no, 230 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: you couldn't get through the entire bat But like I 231 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: can assure you, even if you look at the signals 232 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: that Jennifer in her article there there are signatures that 233 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: are cross out, so it completely debunks the assertion that 234 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: we weren't doing that. Yeah, I know, but this is 235 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: getting confusing here. What was your vetting rate up until 236 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: the middle of June. You must have you must have 237 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 1: had you must have missed a lot of bad signatures 238 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: leading up to mid June. Not all the one hundred 239 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 1: and fifty thousand that came in the last three weeks 240 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 1: were thrown out. You must have had a pretty high 241 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 1: fail rate up to that point. There was a significant 242 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 1: portion of signatures that were vetted on the front end 243 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: and tossed out early. Otherwise our entire submission would have 244 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: been higher and the invalidation of the rate would have 245 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: been greater. So again, it's an extremely difficult process, and 246 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,319 Speaker 1: just to put it into perspective in terms, But why 247 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: were you so short as of mid June? Why were 248 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: you so short? I guess I don't think we were. 249 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: We have collected five hundred and sixty six thousand raw signatures. 250 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 1: I think that's as many as we physically could have 251 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: possibly collected within that time span given the time limit threshold. 252 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: By comparison, for example, if you look at the California 253 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: gubinatorial recall, they collected like two hundred and something thousand 254 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: total from La County in two hundred and eighty days 255 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: because they got an extension for COVID. So again, we 256 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: were way beyond that threshold and pace. So I think 257 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: just framing it as short or coming up where we 258 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: were wouldn't be correct. Not framing wait, wait, wait, hold on, 259 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: this isn't framing. You either had enough or you didn't, 260 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: and in the end you're forty thousand short, and you 261 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: had no sense that you were going to be forty 262 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: thousand short. See, you're giving time, you're accusing Jennifer van 263 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: Larv having a contradictory story. You were all confident you 264 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: had enough. We said it was going to be close, 265 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: and we needed to build as large of a cushion 266 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: as possible. And that was the exact statement I made 267 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: repeatedly on the air with you guys. You can check 268 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: the tapes and in all of our public statements. So 269 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: we never said we had it in the bag. That's 270 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: why we continued to urge collection through the last day, 271 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: because we always knew it could be close. And in 272 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: addition to that, there is still a process that remains 273 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: for this where we're going to be allowed to inspect 274 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: those signatures and make sure that nobody was improperly disenfranchised. 275 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: So honest, I'd like to make a quick point about that. 276 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: But just on its face, there's thirty two thousand signatures 277 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: alone that the registrar has disqualified that they themselves say 278 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: are valid signatures from La County voters for whatever reason 279 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: have something misprinted or a different address from where they're 280 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: currently registered at. So we believe that could be potential, 281 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: potentially right for challenge, and we're going to be looking 282 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: at everything else as well. So the idea that this 283 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: wasn't exactly as close as we thought it would be, 284 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: or that we were saying anything different, is just revisionist 285 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: history in my opinion, and I look at well, I 286 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: don't know. One of the last conversations we had was 287 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: the attorney for your recall campaign. It sounds of like 288 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: you guys were preparing for a battle of the signature 289 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: matching that turned out to be not really significant in 290 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: the rejection of the recall. It was about all these 291 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: unregistered voters and out of state voters and duplicates. Again, 292 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: isn't it something you want to what? We were doing 293 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: our best to cast those, like I said, throughout, and 294 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: we did cross out a significant number of duplicates on 295 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: our own, so that was absolutely occurring. Otherwise we wouldn't 296 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: have ended up with five hundred and twenty thousand valid 297 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: signatures in the end. So we were absolutely looking to 298 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: do that. And as to the signature verification issue, again, 299 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: I think the idea that we shouldn't have raised that 300 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: as a potential issue just doesn't make sense. It would 301 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: have been negligent on our part, not no, but but 302 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: it was. We had her on it was like a 303 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: half an hour on that, and that ended up being 304 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: less than ten percent of the problem. The huge problem, 305 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: two thirds of the problem is not registered voters and duplicates. 306 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: And then you could added another thirty thousand different addresses 307 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, I mean by themselves. There, that's one 308 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty thousand signatures, one hundred and sixty thousand, 309 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: one hundred ninety five thousand thrown out. It seems to 310 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: me that is the easy stuff to verify. They're not registered, duplicates, 311 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: different address, that's all a matter of public record. So 312 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: if I don't understand why did you get such a 313 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: surge in the last three weeks and why weren't you 314 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: prepared for such a surge? What went on that the 315 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: three weeks created this big surge because we continued to 316 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: pour resource into resources into the effort, up our paid 317 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: signature gathering and our volunteer activity increase, as well as 318 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: people were just continuing to watch everything that George Gascon 319 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 1: was doing in the city. So I think it's just 320 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: again the idea that you wouldn't end up with a 321 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 1: twenty to thirty percent range of invalid signatures, which is 322 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: pretty standard for this effort. Is just kind of a 323 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: false front. Yeah, but you did you see to the 324 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,719 Speaker 1: thing is you did the vetting, so you shouldn't end 325 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: up with it with a twenty seven percent rejection rate. 326 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: And you did do You did do vetting on most 327 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: of the signatures, the first five hundred and fifty thousand. 328 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: You did the vetting. Now, shouldn't we expect a very 329 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 1: high rate of proper signatures if you're really spending all 330 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: that money? Yeah, and I think that's why. Again, we 331 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: got five hundred twenty thousand valid signatures, which is a 332 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: pretty high rate. And at the same time, we do 333 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: believe there are potential challenges for those other signatures. So 334 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: this is right in line with any standard recall for 335 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: where you would be in terms of overages. And we 336 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: were absolutely crossing out those names and vetting the thousands 337 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 1: of signatures. Otherwise this submission would have been even greater 338 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 1: and had a much more significant rate of rejection. So, 339 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: like I talked to some of our campaigns people, well yeah, 340 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: I know, but that's like that's like a coach saying, yeah, 341 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 1: we lost, but we could have lost by more. I mean, 342 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: in the end, it's a it's a loss, and you know, 343 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: our listeners. They don't need money. They put in a 344 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: lot of volunteer effort here. I mean to say, hey, 345 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 1: we had a good game, mo. I mean, that really 346 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 1: doesn't cut it. George Gesco is killing people, Well, that's yeah, 347 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: but that's not what I'm saying at all. Guys. Obviously, 348 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: there's nobody more disappointed than me and then our team 349 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: who put in a lot of sleepless nights and long 350 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: days to make this happen for the better part of 351 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: the last two years. And like I said, this is 352 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: somewhat of a premature conversation because we will be looking 353 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: at those signatures. But the idea that we didn't do 354 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: everything we possibly could to collect every last signature and 355 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 1: to verify everyone that we could is just totally false 356 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: on its face, and it doesn't line up with any 357 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: facts that are available. Even if you look at some 358 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 1: of our campaign expenses and reports, because some of the 359 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: insinuations that Jennifer made were that we were negligent with 360 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: the money or doing things out of cronyism. Are total 361 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: overhead and expenses, salary, legal, everything was less than nine 362 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 1: percent for the whole campaign. That's unheard of. Our signature 363 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: collection rate was eleven dollars net, which is way below 364 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: the national average of fourteen and a half. So the 365 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: idea that we weren't doing everything, all right, correct, hang 366 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: on which one comment that you guys went on the 367 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: cheap All right, we're talking to Tim Lineberger. Tim was 368 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: a spokesman for the recall George Gascone campaign, which of 369 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: course we found out has failed to qualify enough signatures 370 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: to get on the ballot, and a couple of articles 371 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 1: written about the recall effort were pretty critical, particularly about 372 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: the vetting process, since many signatures were rejected for simply 373 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 1: not being registered voters, or being out of state, or 374 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: being duplicates. We got more coming out. All right, We're 375 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: talking to Tim Lineberger. He was on our show quite 376 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: a few times during the effort to recall George Gasconi, 377 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: was with the George gascon recall campaign, and of course 378 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: we found out that they didn't have enough signatures to 379 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: qualify this for the ballot. And then when we found 380 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 1: out the reasons, we were a bit perplexed because everyone 381 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: thought it was going to be about signature matching. That 382 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 1: was only about ten thousand signatures disqualified. The bulk of 383 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: the signatures thrown out were not registered voters or duplicates 384 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 1: or out of county people, and that kind of surprised 385 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: us here at the John and Kent Show and lead 386 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: us to many questions over the vetting process to make 387 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: sure that these signatures weren't turned in. And what we 388 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 1: found out is that the cushion period after the announced 389 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 1: they had enough signatures to qualify this the ballot, the 390 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: next thing they had to do was get a cushion 391 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,360 Speaker 1: of signatures to try to cover those to be thrown out, 392 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: and it looks like a lot of those apparently didn't qualify. 393 00:20:54,160 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 1: So Tim I spoke with somebody a week or two, 394 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 1: I maybe maybe a week after the deadline for returning 395 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: the signatures, and this person had gone out collecting signatures. 396 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: He put in a lot of long hours, and he 397 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: was well connected in government. You probably would know his name, 398 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: but I'm not going to say. And I asked him 399 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: and I said, do you think this is going to 400 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: make it? And this is before we even had the sample. 401 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: He goes, no, he goes, he goes, it was just 402 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 1: amateur over there. They were panicking. He goes. I went 403 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: out all fourth of July weekend and I was doing 404 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 1: a fourteen sixteen hours a day because everybody was panicking. 405 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: They thought they were going to be short. That's what 406 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: he told me. I also, I also, to be honest, 407 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: I felt like the lawyer that we had on in 408 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: the final days saying, hey, you know they're they've got 409 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: they've got the wrong signature Matchic training manual from twenty seventeen. 410 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 1: I felt like that was, Hey, look over here, that 411 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: you know we were gonna you set a smoke bomb 412 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: off in the other direction, so so Dean Logan could 413 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: get blamed, rather than having somebody come out in the 414 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: air and explain what was going on behind the scenes 415 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: that you were falling short. I felt like it was like, 416 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: you know, a damage control in advance, getting ahead of 417 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: the story, getting ahead of the spin. That's the way 418 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: I feel. Sure, Yeah, can I can I respond to 419 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: both of those points, I guess one of the time. Yeah, 420 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: so I guess in terms of the signature, or we'll 421 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 1: start with the idea that there was panic at the end, 422 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: or we did or didn't think we were going to 423 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: make it again. There wasn't one day where I didn't 424 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 1: go out and tell people that we needed to put 425 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: be urgent we could not be complacent or that we 426 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 1: would fail, and that message was continuous throughout the entire effort, 427 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: and we always believe that it was going to be 428 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: close and that we needed to build as big of 429 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 1: a cushion as possible. So going back and saying, you know, oh, 430 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: we were panicking or trying to get every last thing, 431 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: and of course we were. We wanted to get. We 432 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: would have loved to turn into million signatures. If we 433 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: could have had four hundred thousand be disqualified, we would 434 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: have been happy with that if it ultimately qualified. So 435 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 1: absolutely that's the case that that's not news. That's exactly 436 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: what I was telling everybody and what our campaign was 437 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 1: telling everybody. This is urgent and this is a very 438 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: difficult threshold to qualify. We can't be complacent. To the 439 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: second point about the signature gathering, I think that was 440 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: an extremely legitimate issue to raise. It also goes against 441 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: the narrative that we weren't being diligent with everything about 442 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: this process. And ultimately, if you just take that number alone, 443 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: it wouldn't be enough to change the results. But again, 444 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: we're going to look at everything, and that number still 445 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: as it stands today, was seventy five percent higher than 446 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 1: the average rejection rate for the last recall for NEWSOM 447 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 1: or for vote by mail. So while it wouldn't make 448 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: the difference on its own, it could be a portion 449 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 1: of it. And when we're looking at thirty two thousand 450 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: other signatures we believe may have been disenfranchised, that could matter. 451 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: So the idea that we shouldn't be raising every possible 452 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: legitimate question, I think that would have been negligent, and 453 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 1: we in facted the opposite. So I'm looking at this story. 454 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: Let the voters decide that's the company that was hired 455 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: to collect signatures one of the companies, Yes, and this 456 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: see three public strategies. They were supposed to vet the signatures. 457 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: Is that what was going on? That was one of 458 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: the companies that also participated in the vetting. Yeah, we 459 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: used the number of different vendors for both pasts and 460 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: something else called allied data. Yep, that was another one. 461 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,479 Speaker 1: Did they do their jobs properly? Uh? You know, at 462 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: times I would say not always. We did our best 463 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 1: to always hold our vendors accountable. Sometimes you have paid 464 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 1: guys that would say they were going to turn in 465 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: a certain amount by a certain day, and you'd agree 466 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 1: to it, and then that submission would end up being short, 467 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 1: so you'd have to hold them accountable. We constantly worked 468 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: to renegotiate rates, We switch vendors as necessary. It says 469 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 1: here Allied Data was supposed to weed at people who 470 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: weren't registered to vote, duplicates, address matches. You know. That's 471 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: that's one hundred and sixteen hundred and seventy thousand signatures 472 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 1: right there. They were supposed to weed out of the system. 473 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 1: Did they Uh? Yeah, I would I don't think they did. 474 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: All of our arctification. I believe we pulled it from 475 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: them at some point, and you pulled you pulled it 476 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: from C three as well, because it says here you 477 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: switch from C three to Allied Data. Yeah, that's correct. 478 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: So is this under our under our own hands or 479 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: I guess the real question is did you have anybody 480 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: doing this with the cushion signature is because that was 481 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: where the problem came in it. Yeah, So we continued 482 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 1: to do it, so just to be clear, yeah, we 483 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: continued to do it throughout the process. But we did 484 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: not get through, obviously, the entire seven hundred and twenty 485 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: thousand that we saw or seven hundred and fifteen thousand 486 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: that we submitted. I think it was close to about 487 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: Do you know that the the head of Let the 488 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: Voters Decide called the campaign amateur too. You saw that story, Yeah, 489 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: of course I did, and I think we're we're not 490 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: really commenting on that publicly because we don't want to 491 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: litigate it over the air. We're confident, all right, and 492 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: we got the I want to ask you this finally, Tim, 493 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,880 Speaker 1: You've been hinting around that there might be some sort 494 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 1: of challenge to this outcome. Is there anything to be 495 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 1: said about that right now? Yeah. So, the way the 496 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: process works is we have twenty one days to initiate 497 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: a challenge with the registrar. Were in the process of 498 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: doing that and gathering together a team of volunteers and 499 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 1: attorneys to go in there and review everything, so we'll 500 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,719 Speaker 1: be notifying them soon of who that'll be. We're then 501 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: going to do our best review every single signature, make 502 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 1: sure nobody was disenfranchised in the end. And again, just 503 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: on its face, we think that thirty two thousand is 504 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: potentially problematic because those are actual LA County voters with 505 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: legitimate signatures who are not having their signature counted as 506 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: it stands, so that alone would put us at five 507 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: to fifty two. We think there's potential equal protection issues there, 508 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 1: according to some constitutional attorneys we've talked to. So we're 509 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: going to do everything we can to continue fighting for 510 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,919 Speaker 1: the removal of George Gascon. And I know people are frustrated, 511 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 1: and I know there's armchair or Monday morning quarterbacking going 512 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: on on this effort. But one thing I just want 513 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: to get across to you guys and your listeners is 514 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: there's virtually nothing we didn't do under the sun to 515 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: make this happen. It was an extremely high and difficult 516 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 1: threshold just on the verification alone. The registrar required four 517 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 1: to five hundred employees just to get that element done 518 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: in thirty days. So the idea that this was some 519 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: easy task or wasn't going to be close was never 520 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 1: never the case. So we're going to continue working hard 521 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 1: at this and I think, you know, some of this 522 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: stuff is just part of the nature of politics, and 523 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 1: we get that, all right, Tim, thanks for talking to us. 524 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: We appreciate it. Yeah, thanks guys for your time. Appreciate it, right, 525 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: Thanks for going to Heinburger used to be a spokesperson 526 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 1: for the recall. I guess he still is George Gascone campaign. 527 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: We're coming up, all right. It's one of our favorite 528 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 1: topics every now and then, the show People Who Get 529 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: Swindled by Psychics? People who get swindled by psychics, Debora Mark, 530 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: I've never been swindled by a psyche. You've paid money 531 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: to a psycho one time? How much did you think 532 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 1: it was? Fifty dollars? You paid one hundred and fifty dollars. 533 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: I've told you this before I got to remember the amount. 534 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: Don't you think it was one hundred and fifty? Holy 535 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 1: maybe it was one hundred twenty five? Oh my god? 536 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,479 Speaker 1: For how long a reading? I think it was an 537 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: hour or so? And really it changed your life? Market 538 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: lead here, It did not change my life. No, did 539 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: you feel she didn't go back? So I did not 540 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: go back. And that was probably fifteen sixteen years ago. 541 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: Did you feel silly, afty you paid the one fifty? No? 542 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,719 Speaker 1: I did not. You did not, No, not at the time. Well, 543 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: any part of you, they'll go, WHOA this person's good? 544 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: Was it a woman? It was a guy. It was 545 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: a guy psychic. It was a guy. Yes, and he 546 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: was blind. I know, he really was. I told you 547 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: that some people in the news business went to him. 548 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: They swore by him, and they told me about him, 549 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: and I went to him, and then some of the 550 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: things the news business. Yes, yes, and some colleagues not 551 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: from this station. Well there's news people that we listened 552 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: to every day and they're going to psychic. But it 553 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: is true, not from this station. How can you be 554 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 1: a news person and go to a psychic that's that 555 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 1: doesn't how about a broadcast broadcast professionals, how about that 556 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: you were at a low point in your life, weren't you? Yeah? 557 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: Actually I was. It was not an easy time and 558 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: I needed I just I people were swearing by this guy, 559 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: so I thought, what the heck he needed a blind 560 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: swindler to take one hundred and fifty from you. You 561 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: asked questions or he just asked questions. Okay, so he 562 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: asked questions, But then he also just he just started talking, 563 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: telling me things about my life, and I thought, touch you. No, 564 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: I thought, because he's blind, you might want some sort 565 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: of connect. But he did have me write down some 566 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: things on cards, but he didn't look at them. He 567 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: put those away. Of course, he didn't. I was right there. 568 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: Of course, what do you mean he wrote it? He wrote, 569 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: he wrote it death. But he did what he asked. 570 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: And Okay, the really weird thing is that we were 571 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: talking about death, and he records. He records all the 572 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: sessions so that at that time it was a tape. 573 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: So he would give you the tape so that you 574 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: can go back and see what and hear what he 575 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: was talking about, and see if any of these things 576 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: come true. All of a sudden, his tape recorder stopped 577 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: and he told me, he said, I just put in 578 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 1: batteries before you came, so there's no reason, he said, 579 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: but sometimes when you do talk about people that have died, 580 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: they mess with electronics. So he so he believed that 581 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: there was some spirits. Oh yeah, that's a nice that's 582 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: a nice ship. Yeah right, and you probably got your 583 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: eyes did I can't find the tape. I have searched 584 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: for that tape for so many years. Oh I know, 585 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: I give you your one fifty back just to play 586 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: it on the air. I wish I could find it. 587 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: So this story is what I can't figure out in 588 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: this story is apparently the man that got swindled. It 589 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: was a man in this case William Young of Brooklyn, 590 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: and he's filed a lawsuit. The psychic was a female 591 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: by the name of Shana Samuel. This happened last year. 592 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: He worked at a bar called Xo Xo Bar. It's 593 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: now closed. It's a gay bar in West forty sixth Street. 594 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: And the reason I mentioned that is that he ended 595 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: up giving this woman more than a million dollars. It 596 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: started with money, and then he's celebrated to cars for her. 597 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: Does he have to mention, well, he has bipolar and depression. 598 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: Well that doesn't convinced him. He could help her, help 599 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: him find a soulmate and purge the dark spirits in 600 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: his life. So he kept going back to her and 601 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: paying her more and more because she kept asking for 602 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: more money. And this is what happened. So the psychic 603 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: knows your tupe, they'll just keep milking you. And she 604 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: realized he had a million dollars to blow. I don't 605 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: know how is it or not, but he apparently turned 606 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: over a lot of money. How is this a swind 607 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: started with one hundred thousand dollars the first payment, But 608 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: how's this a swindle? And then he was going six 609 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: times in a single week payments raging from a thousand 610 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: to twenty thousand dollars. Well, it's no, but I don't 611 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: understand the fraud she set up front you as a psychic. 612 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: Psychic ston't exist. Apparently nothing she ever did for him worked. 613 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: He was still depressed, still without a soul mate. So 614 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: he feels that he was fleeced. And while she cast spells, 615 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: they cost more than her regular fortune telling work. The 616 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: spells are more expensive, yes, oh, for her to like 617 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: waive her arms in there, So he got overcharged. Here's 618 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: an amazing part. The scam ended when a four hundred 619 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: and ninety six thousand dollars payment to her through a 620 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: third party was blocked by the man's bank. That's the 621 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: only reason it came to a halt, and then his 622 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: account was frozen and then a realization he'd been tricked. 623 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: According to the lawsuit, he says he paid her in 624 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: third party one hundred and two thousand dollars and that's 625 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: with a half million being blocked. I think so, yes, 626 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: because the last page, where did he get that money? 627 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: Work in a bar? That's what? I don't know. What 628 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: did you inherit money? Or is it real? 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