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Speaker 1: Jake Sherman, Anna Palmer. Both have been guests before on

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Speaker 1: I highly highly recommend I know some of you listen

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Speaker 1: is worth your time. Before I get to it. In fact,

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Speaker 1: one of the conversations, one of the topics we talk

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Speaker 1: do split and wedge the Democratic vote there and in California.

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Speaker 1: Right if the counter to make it in a referendum on

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Speaker 1: you know, his job approval rating has been very polarizing

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Speaker 1: campaign twenty twenty four, he was in the mid forties.

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Speaker 1: didn't want to introduce, you know, somebody who's right now

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Speaker 1: was polarizing to the electorate. So it just if look

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Speaker 1: the stakes every election now, the stakes are higher than

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Speaker 1: ever before, right, each one of them. I don't know

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Speaker 1: where this is, just this is a fascinating development that

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Speaker 1: by mid October, somehow the awe off year elections may

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Speaker 1: end up being a full fledged referendum on Trump. We're

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Speaker 1: already seeing. It's interesting even in New Jersey governor's race,

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Speaker 1: in the Virginia governor's race, right, you look the Republican

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Speaker 1: candidate in Virginia governor. She's been running with Glenn Youngkin,

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Speaker 1: and Glenn Youngkin is the spokesperson for the campaign. You

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Speaker 1: see Glenn Youngkin in the TV ads. You don't hear

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Speaker 1: any mention of Trump. Right. All you have to do

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Speaker 1: is read a poll in Virginia and understand why. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: what is Abigail Spaanberger doing. She is trying to tie

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Speaker 1: Winston merleseares to Trump, particularly with the DOGE cuts and

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Speaker 1: the federal government workers and all of that, and it's

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Speaker 1: going there. So you certainly have a Democrat in Virginia

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Speaker 1: that wants Trump. Then you have sort of a cookie

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Speaker 1: cutter campaign, anti Trump campaign that's being run now by

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Speaker 1: Mikey Cheryl, the Democratic nominee for New Jersey governor, where Chidarelli,

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Speaker 1: who used the Trump endorsement to sort of make sure

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Speaker 1: this is not a race about Trump. She's the one

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Speaker 1: that's obsessed with Trump, you know, and with Washington, I'm

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Speaker 1: here obsessed about New Jersey, right, which is an interesting

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Speaker 1: counter message. The point is is, now we've got four

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Speaker 1: different races where some form of Trump is being used

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Speaker 1: as a referendum, and I think we're all curious what

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Speaker 1: is the appetite for that in the electorate. Does that

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Speaker 1: motivate independence one way or the other? Is there an

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Speaker 1: exhaustion from it? Or are his actions turning voters off?

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Speaker 1: Does it end up the more you talk about Trump,

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Speaker 1: do you activate the the Trump only voters that seem

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Speaker 1: to just show up in presidentials but decide they have

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Speaker 1: to get his back, right. Point is a lot of

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Speaker 1: what ifs here. This entire twenty twenty five campaign, which

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Speaker 1: felt semi localized right in various ways. You know, you

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Speaker 1: knew that Trump would be used you know, to push

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Speaker 1: certain constituency group buttons. But we're starting to see it

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Speaker 1: may take more center stage because Trump himself's right. Look

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Speaker 1: at how much he's intervening in New York City mayor,

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Speaker 1: and I'll be fascinated to see whether, you know how

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Speaker 1: how he tries to get involved in California, because I

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Speaker 1: in New Jersey. I do think he stays out of Virginia.

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Speaker 1: I think in some ways the Young Cain experience didn't

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Speaker 1: love it, and the fact that Winson Earls Sears has

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Speaker 1: made the decision I'm running. I'm going to try to

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Speaker 1: run Youngkin's reelection. It's her only path. It's probably a

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Speaker 1: long shot, but looking at the numbers, I see why

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Speaker 1: I think I'd be doing the same thing. The problem

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Speaker 1: she's got is Youngkin's approval numbers, while better than Trump's

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Speaker 1: in Virginia, they're not awesome, right, And that's h And

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Speaker 1: that's ultimately I think the probably the hurdle with that strategy,

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Speaker 1: but still a few things there. So I think I'll

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Speaker 1: put the pause button there because I will, I promise you,

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Speaker 1: as to my fellow political junkies out there, you're going

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Speaker 1: to love this conversation with Ann and Jake. And so

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Speaker 1: with that, let's sneak in a break and for those

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Speaker 1: of you listening to the full episode, and and Jake

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Speaker 1: is next, So joining me now for what I consider

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Speaker 1: the second start of the new year in any given year,

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Speaker 1: at least as far as Washington is concerned, it is

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Speaker 1: September has a feeling of almost the same feeling you

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Speaker 1: get when you actually start a new calendar year. First

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Speaker 1: week of school has that feel to it. Well, it's

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Speaker 1: the first week of business as far as on Capitol Hill.

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Speaker 1: So it's the news organization of record, punch Bowl News.

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Speaker 1: I got the two co founders, Anna Palmer and Jake Sherman.

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Speaker 1: Welcome And do you share this belief Jake, that September

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Speaker 1: does it feel I've always felt this sort of the

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Speaker 1: first week of Labor Day is almost like a new year.

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Speaker 1: Do you share that feeling in a Capitol little creature?

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 3: It feels like people are this is only a three

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Speaker 3: day week this first week.

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Speaker 1: So they're not they're not like Congress pretty week, that's

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Speaker 1: like that's a lot of work.

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Speaker 2: Well and it's not even really three days.

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Speaker 3: They come in on Tuesday night and they're out on

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Speaker 3: Thursday afternoon, so it's really a one and it's it's

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Speaker 3: a two day week.

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Speaker 2: Really, the it is.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it does feel like a new year, and it

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Speaker 3: feels like and you know, we're benefited, at least in

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Speaker 3: some way by the fact that we benefit from the

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Speaker 3: fact that there's a government funding deadline at the end

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Speaker 3: of this week. So that's that's uh this month. Yeah, sorry,

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Speaker 3: this month.

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Speaker 2: Sorry.

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Speaker 3: That adds to the urgency and the feeling of like

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Speaker 3: we're driving towards something big here. So yeah, it does

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Speaker 3: feel like the beginning of the if the air is crisp,

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Speaker 3: the kids are back in school, So yes, it does

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Speaker 3: feel like that, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, and there's a there's a weird before we get

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Speaker 1: into sort of like everything that's moving in the next

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Speaker 1: twenty four seventy two hours and behind the large narrative

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Speaker 1: of the last nine months has been this sort of

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Speaker 1: this the growing ear irrelevance is the wrong word, but

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Speaker 1: it's getting close to irrelevance of of sort of the

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Speaker 1: weakness of Congress, the weakness of the legislative branch you're

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Speaker 1: in the business of. And I've always believed right that

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Speaker 1: this town. You know, the heartbeat of this town of

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Speaker 1: Capitol Hill, the you know, everything emanates from Capitol Hill.

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Speaker 1: And yet I do share that same feeling that you know,

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Speaker 1: the Trump two point zero really has rendered Congress less relevant?

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Speaker 1: Uh Am, I is that fair?

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Speaker 4: I think there's still really relevant. I mean, I think

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Speaker 4: the difference is what we've seen is a real seating

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Speaker 4: of power. I agree with you on that, where Congress

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Speaker 4: has said there's a time to check in balance and

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Speaker 4: the typical kind of give and take that you expect

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Speaker 4: from an administration and Congress, and you've seen congressional Republicans

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Speaker 4: in an all GOP town seed a lot of that,

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Speaker 4: or agree with the president on things like recisions right

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Speaker 4: or when it comes to kind of just rubber stamping

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Speaker 4: some of his nominees. I think the big question that

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Speaker 4: we keep looking at, and I think government funding is

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Speaker 4: one of those big moments where Democrats will play a role.

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Speaker 4: But I think the question that you continue to ask,

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Speaker 4: and I ask, you know, and Jake and I talk

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Speaker 4: about all the time is on the Republican side. You

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Speaker 4: know what happens now, there's gonna be a bunch of nominees,

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Speaker 4: There's going to be a bunch of things that are happening.

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Speaker 4: You know, is there some friction point or a tipping

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Speaker 4: point where Republicans are worried after being back home in

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Speaker 4: this August recess and they say, hey, the big Beautiful

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Speaker 4: Bill isn't selling. Everybody is worried about their own reelection.

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Speaker 4: That is what lawmakers care most about, right, And so

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Speaker 4: if Trump is hurting them more than he's helping them,

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Speaker 4: will we see some kind of reorganization. I think it's

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Speaker 4: you know, we don't know yet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just is it fair to call this Jake,

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Speaker 1: that the midterm campaign start this month? Yes? You know, look,

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Speaker 1: in some ways, you're always in cycle. There's no downtime,

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Speaker 1: just like apparently we're always in redistricting. We're always in

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Speaker 1: reapportionment now, but you're and yes, you have to behave

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Speaker 1: like you're always in cycle. But now every lawmaker is

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Speaker 1: thinking more about November twenty twenty six than they are

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Speaker 1: any other month. Right.

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Speaker 3: Well, the White House was up here this week on

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Speaker 3: Capitol Hill trying to rebrand the One Beautiful Bill as

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Speaker 3: I agree as the as the Working Families Tax Plan,

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Speaker 3: which is you know, I tweeted that there's and I

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Speaker 3: think and then Chuck, you'll both agree with this. When

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Speaker 3: a party is getting smoked, they blame the messenger, and

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Speaker 3: that's or the message and the messenger. So yeah, listen,

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Speaker 3: I think that the thing that is interesting to me.

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Speaker 3: And I say this, and you could see Ali Muttnik,

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Speaker 3: who covers house campaigns and redistricting.

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Speaker 2: Oh, or my, I guess this is my left shoulder.

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Speaker 3: Uh. It feels very unsettled at the moment, Chuck, in

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Speaker 3: a way that is unlike previous cycles, you know what

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Speaker 3: I mean, Like it's it's.

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Speaker 1: Just and this is on both sides, right, is this

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Speaker 1: is this due to and I've heard you know, both

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Speaker 1: Mike Johnson and a Keem Jeffries I heard spent August

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Speaker 1: taking incoming from members who were pissed off about the

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Speaker 1: redistricting wars but couldn't say so publicly.

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Speaker 3: Well, and so yes, and I think listen, you know,

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Speaker 3: you pretty much know unless there's a court that intervenes,

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Speaker 3: you know what the map in Texas is probably going

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Speaker 3: to look like. You don't exactly know what the map

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Speaker 3: in California is going to look like. You don't know

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Speaker 3: what it's going to look like in Indiana. You don't

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Speaker 3: know what it's going to look like in Ohio. You

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Speaker 3: don't know what it's going to look like in Florida,

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Speaker 3: And increasingly we don't know what it's going to look

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Speaker 3: like in Maryland. To gay they could redistrict in Maryland,

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Speaker 3: they could redistrict in.

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Speaker 1: Deep in Missouri. Yeah, I went deep on the Missouri

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Speaker 1: map today.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, so you know, it just feels like, I mean,

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Speaker 3: California and Texas alone, and really Texas alone or California

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Speaker 3: alone could swing the entire majority obviously, so we don't

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Speaker 3: you know, history tells us that Republicans should lose the majority,

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Speaker 3: but it's not.

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Speaker 2: There's no there's no analogy here.

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Speaker 3: It's not an analogous to any previous cycle in which

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Speaker 3: the map was saying.

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Speaker 2: Thomson, the map is not staying thunsteady year. So I

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Speaker 2: find that all to be very interesting.

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Speaker 1: Look, I just had Jared Moscowitz on earlier this week,

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Speaker 1: and he's a guy. If they redistrict him out of

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Speaker 1: his seat in Broward and Palm Beach, he said he's

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Speaker 1: going to run for Senate. So that only that sort

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Speaker 1: of reinforces your point, all this uncertainty. You know, he

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Speaker 1: wants to run for reelection. But he doesn't know if

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Speaker 1: he is. And he's not alone, right, he's just voiced it.

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Speaker 1: And and so that has to be what's created that

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Speaker 1: feeling that you've got.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And and by the way, like Florida is a

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Speaker 3: prime example of just it feels to me, Chuck, like

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Speaker 3: all of these states, I mean and not feels to me.

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Speaker 3: It's clear all of these states are trying to one

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Speaker 3: up each other at this point, right, I mean, Florida

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Speaker 3: is a I mean, you're very familiar with the state

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Speaker 3: of It's.

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Speaker 1: Already pretty well jerrymandered. I didn't think there was anything

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Speaker 1: more they could do.

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Speaker 2: You know, I mean taking taking W.

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Speaker 3: Wasserm and Schultz's seat, which is a traditional kind of

649
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Speaker 3: South Florida seat, and dragging it to Naples to bring

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Speaker 3: in more Republican voters.

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Speaker 2: So having it kind of go from you know.

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Speaker 1: The it's I seventy five for people, it would basically

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Speaker 1: be trying to create it alligator Alley, Okay, we had

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Speaker 1: an alligatory up.

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Speaker 2: It would be a district around Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I mean you're talking about a map that is

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Speaker 3: It's just it's all very fascinating to me.

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Speaker 2: And you know, listen, can they do this? Yes?

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Speaker 3: Should we be in a situation in which states can

660
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Speaker 3: just at the drop of a hat redraw their lines.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Congress does something about it until until these

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Speaker 3: states put it in their constitution that they can't, like

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Speaker 3: like New York. Then then they're gonna they the doors open.

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Speaker 2: To doing it, and I yeah.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead.

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Speaker 5: No, I just want to add one thing.

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Speaker 4: I think the thing that's gonna be interesting is here

668
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Speaker 4: is on Democrats, right, they had moved really away from this,

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Speaker 4: saying California, we're going to do independent commissions. That was

670
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Speaker 4: a huge, you know, kind of ground swell over the

671
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Speaker 4: last you know, at least five plus years for Democrats,

672
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Speaker 4: and now that's biting them, right, So if you're Democrats,

673
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Speaker 4: why would.

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Speaker 2: You do it?

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Speaker 4: It's really similar to like, you know, when Democrats said, oh,

676
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Speaker 4: we're not going to be we're not gonna have super PACs.

677
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Speaker 4: Big money's bad, and then they said, oh wow, actually

678
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Speaker 4: Republicans have been duced the system, and unless we play

679
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Speaker 4: by the rules that they're playing by, we're gonna lose.

680
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Speaker 4: This I think is really similar thing is going to happen.

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Speaker 4: I have a hard time seeing Congress stepping in and

682
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Speaker 4: saying Okay, now, after this time, we're going to change

683
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Speaker 4: it so that you know, they're not gonna be able

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Speaker 4: to change these a drop of a hat.

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Speaker 1: Well, you sort of just answered the question I was

686
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Speaker 1: about to address to you, which is, are there any

687
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Speaker 1: institutionalists left in the Republican side of the House who.

688
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Speaker 2: Who look at this publically?

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Speaker 1: Well, right, that I'm aware of, But are there any that,

690
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Speaker 1: right like, are there any behind the scenes going what

691
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Speaker 1: are you know? Because all of this takes power away

692
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Speaker 1: from the legislative branch, right, the redistricting takes power away,

693
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Speaker 1: All of it takes power away, And I got to think,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I guess you know, there's just only

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Speaker 1: so many hal rogers that are you know, I mean,

696
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Speaker 1: are there any left that want to sort of say, hey,

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Speaker 1: enough of enough? You know, eventually we're not going to

698
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Speaker 1: have a president we like in here and we have

699
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Speaker 1: just given away way too much power.

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Speaker 5: I think there's two things to think about, and I'll

701
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Speaker 5: take it over to Jake.

702
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Speaker 4: But I mean, in my mind it is there's fewer

703
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Speaker 4: of them, right, they've retired, they've moved on. They you know,

704
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Speaker 4: I mean, you look at kind of the seniority system

705
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Speaker 4: which used to be king on Capitol Hill, has really

706
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Speaker 4: seen a reduction in terms of favoritism of that where

707
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Speaker 4: you've had this kind of next generation saying finally it's

708
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Speaker 4: got we got to move on right. And I think

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Speaker 4: the second thing that you've really seen is just the

710
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Speaker 4: groundsful of new members right this institutionalism. These people that

711
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Speaker 4: were there forever you they aren't staying there. If you

712
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Speaker 4: look at the Senate right like that would be the place,

713
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Speaker 4: Oh this is going to be. Things are going to

714
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Speaker 4: move slower, We're going to have a lot more rules.

715
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Speaker 4: The Senate looks a lot more like the House than

716
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Speaker 4: it did ten years ago, and it only has continued

717
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Speaker 4: to speed up. And I think started with Republicans and

718
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Speaker 4: you're really seeing even more on Democrats now as well.

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Speaker 3: I could tell you this, Chuck, I just won one

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Speaker 3: on the institution list thing. I could tell you that

721
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Speaker 3: in Texas from our reporting over the last couple of months,

722
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Speaker 3: I mean, nobody, not a single incumbent in Texas was

723
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Speaker 3: asking for redistricting. And they you know, they said.

724
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Speaker 2: I had one member say to me, I don't want

725
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Speaker 2: to say too much because I'll get away. I'll give

726
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Speaker 2: away this is he said, I just got a new district.

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Speaker 3: I spent like a lot of time getting to know

728
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Speaker 3: like a thirty percent of my population. Why the hell

729
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Speaker 3: do I have to do it again? And like, you

730
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Speaker 3: know so, but but no, there's the institution. I think

731
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Speaker 3: institutionalism has been supplanted or replaced in many respects by

732
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Speaker 3: fealty to Trump.

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Speaker 1: So Dave Schweikert now wants to run for governor, Chip

734
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Speaker 1: Roy went to run for attorney general. I got to

735
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Speaker 1: think the next couple, you know, we've you know, Ashley Henson,

736
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Speaker 1: now obviously a seat opened up. She jumped at that.

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Speaker 1: And this is the month, right, The next three to

738
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Speaker 1: six weeks are sort of you know, with maybe one

739
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Speaker 1: or two more at the end of the calendar year.

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Speaker 1: But the next three to six weeks are sort of

741
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Speaker 1: the last of the retirements or moving, you know, deciding

742
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Speaker 1: to jump to another race. Should we expect a mini

743
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Speaker 1: flurry here, because because of the everything we just discussed, Boy,

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Speaker 1: that's redistrict. I have no idea at least a statewide

745
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Speaker 1: electorate that can't get remapped, you know, all of those things.

746
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Speaker 1: Should we expect more of this?

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Speaker 2: Maybe?

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Speaker 3: But listen, some of these filing deadlines are going to

749
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Speaker 3: creep up and hears what I was saying. Texas, I

750
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Speaker 3: don't think we've seen the Let me put it this way,

751
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Speaker 3: I don't know that we've seen the end of who

752
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Speaker 3: might get into that Senate race. I can tell you

753
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Speaker 3: that there are lots of talks about whether Wesley Hunt

754
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Speaker 3: will get in, and there are some other members who

755
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Speaker 3: might look at their district and say, this is my

756
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Speaker 3: time to go for it in a messy primary between

757
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Speaker 3: John Cornyn and Ken Paxton. But I don't see anyone else.

758
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Speaker 3: I mean, Byron Donalds is running for governor of Florida.

759
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Speaker 3: I don't see anyone else, no one that comes to mind.

760
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Speaker 3: But it sure as hell looks like a a good,

761
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Speaker 3: good opportunity to get into a statewide race and get

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Speaker 3: out of the mess of Congress.

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Speaker 1: I mean the Schweikertz. It didn't shock me at all

764
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Speaker 1: like that. Dude's always in a swing district, so yeah,

765
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Speaker 1: what you got to raise the same amount of money

766
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Speaker 1: might as well. And the incumbent governor in Arizona looks

767
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Speaker 1: quite peatable. You know. Question is is he trumpy enough

768
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Speaker 1: to win a primary?

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Speaker 2: I don't think he does it in the end. To

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Speaker 2: be honest with you.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, I think he I think he eventually he told

772
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Speaker 3: us that he would run for the House if he

773
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Speaker 3: if he decides to not run for governor, So maybe

774
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Speaker 3: he I think Trump.

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Speaker 1: I think some gavel he wants.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think Trump won't want him to run

777
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Speaker 2: for governor. I think that that's the end of it,

778
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Speaker 2: basically on Cornyn.

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Speaker 1: Here's what it's looked like from Afar. And I'm curious

780
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Speaker 1: if this, if this sort of rings true to you,

781
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Speaker 1: which is a Cornyn has basically bought himself time from

782
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Speaker 1: Fune in the White House. Give me, give me the

783
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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving to proof pack I can beat Paxton. Uh, and

784
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Speaker 1: or then I'll reassess, like I'm not one hundred percent

785
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Speaker 1: convinced Cornn files in December. I'm just not there. But

786
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Speaker 1: but it does fit and the early attempts to sort

787
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Speaker 1: of muddy him up now and look, it's an early primary.

788
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Speaker 1: It's a March primary in Texas. So I get it

789
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Speaker 1: that you got to you got to sort of start early.

790
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Speaker 1: But this almost feels like he's trying to prove he

791
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Speaker 1: can win now or they get out of the way

792
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Speaker 1: for a better candidate.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think he has proved he can win now,

794
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Speaker 4: I mean he's down double digits.

795
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Speaker 1: I don't know. And Emerson poll is never something that

796
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Speaker 1: convinces me of anything.

797
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Speaker 4: But I think, like he I have said this this morning,

798
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Speaker 4: like like races are about money and momentum, and Cornyn

799
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Speaker 4: has no momentum, has not because and now he started

800
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Speaker 4: to see the polls move and tighten and some of

801
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Speaker 4: the private polling come and which is what he needed

802
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Speaker 4: to be able to convince people to continue to pour

803
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Speaker 4: money into this race.

804
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Speaker 2: Right.

805
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Speaker 5: I think he's doing exactly what he has to do.

806
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Speaker 4: The big question I think is when his pass to

807
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 4: start punching back right, Like, that's me, it.

808
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Speaker 3: Has to be soon. And as one hundred percent right here,

809
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Speaker 3: I don't listen. There's a lot of people who have

810
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Speaker 3: wondered whether he'll actually get into the race. I think

811
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Speaker 3: that's a fair that's a fair thing to think about.

812
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Speaker 3: We were told basically that he has until December to

813
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Speaker 3: kind of get those numbers up.

814
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Speaker 2: A little bit and show that he's competitive. He has

815
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Speaker 2: done that.

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Speaker 3: I mean we reported God, I don't remember what date is.

817
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Speaker 3: Maybe it was Monday, maybe it was today. I think

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Speaker 3: it was Monday. That SLF poll had him between eight

819
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Speaker 3: and ten down, which is better than seventeen down. I

820
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Speaker 3: think he is showing that millions of dollars of ads

821
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Speaker 3: can close the gap. They're going to have to spend

822
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Speaker 3: tens of I think they said seventy million between now

823
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Speaker 3: and the end of the year to try to get

824
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Speaker 3: him to win. If they can't do it by the

825
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Speaker 3: end of the by by that filing deadline, which is

826
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Speaker 3: again you said, coming up in December, he's not going

827
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Speaker 3: to be able to do it, and people are going

828
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Speaker 3: to stop giving him money. And if Paxson's the nominee,

829
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Speaker 3: it's going to cost SLF and the NRSC and donors

830
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Speaker 3: two hundred million dollars to keep this race. And I

831
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Speaker 3: think that I just want to add this. I've said

832
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Speaker 3: this on our podcast before, so and has heard this.

833
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Speaker 3: The nightmare scenario for Republicans is that Paxson's nominee and

834
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Speaker 3: all these seats are red drawn, some of them are

835
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Speaker 3: less Republican, and then you start seeing R plus eights

836
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Speaker 3: and R plus tens become competitive for Democrats, and Dems

837
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Speaker 3: have huge turnouts, and then you're spending millions and millions

838
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Speaker 3: of dollars on house races in Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Austin, the.

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Speaker 1: Three of the fifteen basically three of the fifteen most

840
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Speaker 1: expensive markets in the country. That's all you had to say, right,

841
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Speaker 1: three of the most fifty Yeah yeah yeah.

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Speaker 3: Which, well, by the way, there's all there's already going

843
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 3: to be a Senate race, is already going to be

844
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Speaker 3: an AG race.

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Speaker 2: There's going to be house races, many house races.

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Speaker 1: And I don't rule out a governor's race that gets

847
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Speaker 1: competitive if tall Rico gets tucked in the governor instead

848
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Speaker 1: of Senate, right, could be you know.

849
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Speaker 2: I listen, I've been hearing Texas is going blue. Oh,

850
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Speaker 2: I know, I believe it.

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Speaker 1: When I'm with you there, I'm with you. Let's talk

852
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Speaker 1: about the democratic side of things. I uh, I made

853
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Speaker 1: a contention in my substack this week that I just

854
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Speaker 1: sort of you know, and I don't even know if

855
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: it's good or bad politics for them, but I don't

856
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: see a scenario where Democrats work with congressional Republicans to

857
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Speaker 1: avoid a shutdown. I don't see the incentive, right, you know,

858
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Speaker 1: this is always what are the incentives? What's the incentives

859
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: to cut a deal, what's the incentives to fight it?

860
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Speaker 1: Seems like most of the incentives for Jeffries and Schumer

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Speaker 1: are to fight, not to work with them, and I

862
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Speaker 1: don't see any evidence that Republicans are trying to avoid this.

863
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Speaker 1: But Jake, you're the seer on this on the shutdown scenarios,

864
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Speaker 1: and maybe we don't get our shutdown until early January

865
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Speaker 1: rather than because maybe they punt crs, etc. But you

866
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Speaker 1: tell me, I just don't see outside of John Fetterman,

867
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Speaker 1: who I think doesn't want to engage in this, I

868
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Speaker 1: see a Democratic Party with a base that's desperate to fight.

869
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Speaker 1: And watching the redistricting thing with Newsome unfold over the

870
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Speaker 1: month of August sort of reinforced this notion to me

871
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Speaker 1: that I think Schumer and Jeffries have to get caught fighting.

872
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Speaker 2: I agree.

873
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 3: The only scenario that I see that that would have

874
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Speaker 3: Democrats participate is if it's truly just a clean CR

875
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Speaker 3: and even that you can make the argument that it's

876
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Speaker 3: out of their interest to participate in that, especially after

877
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Speaker 3: a nine nine billion dollar congressional recision plus a a

878
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Speaker 3: pocket recision of five billion dollars.

879
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 2: It's just poken Dems in the eye.

880
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 3: The White House wants a a CR until sometime next year.

881
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 2: As we reported in the saw vision. So that's not

882
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 2: in line with where most House and Senate Republicans are,

883
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Speaker 2: at least from what we could see.

884
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Speaker 1: What do they want?

885
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Speaker 3: They want to do November ish and then kind of

886
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Speaker 3: try to put together a larger package. I see big

887
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 3: peril in that too. Johnson doesn't want a minibus or

888
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 3: an on the bus and neither does neither do a

889
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Speaker 3: lot of people. To be honest with these senators, some

890
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 3: senators in some House members, they want their earmarks. But listen, Democrats,

891
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 3: this is, as Anna put it the other day on

892
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Speaker 3: our podcast, Uh, this is their moment to fight. And

893
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Speaker 3: if they're not going to do it now, when are

894
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Speaker 3: they going to do it? And I mean she's right

895
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Speaker 3: on that, She's wrought on a lot of things, but

896
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Speaker 3: that was one of the ECUs, right.

897
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Speaker 2: I think it's.

898
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Speaker 4: Important because I think like three months ago, I thought

899
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Speaker 4: they would definitely fight, like you felt it, like the

900
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Speaker 4: feeling was that they needed to. And then kind of

901
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Speaker 4: the August time, everything kind of cooled off a little bit.

902
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Speaker 5: They're coming back.

903
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Speaker 4: I think the biggest thing is the fear when I'm

904
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Speaker 4: attalking to Democrats is okay, let's say we fight.

905
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Speaker 5: The base is excited about this, but as you're dealing

906
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 5: with an administration that you don't know what their next

907
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:44,439
Speaker 5: move is going to be, they.

908
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Speaker 4: Might say, hey, shutdown's great, because you know what, we

909
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 4: don't think any of these agencies need to be funded anyway,

910
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 4: right Like you darn't dealing with an actor where they

911
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 4: can figure out, Okay, we shut down the government. We

912
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 4: get the political win, but how we're going to get

913
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Speaker 4: out of it? And I think that, to me is

914
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Speaker 4: the question for Schumer and for I think especially for

915
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Speaker 4: Senate Democrats, because they have historically said we need to

916
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Speaker 4: be the adults, we need to be the people that

917
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Speaker 4: are I mean, we're in different times. I'm not saying

918
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Speaker 4: that's the right strategy anymore, but it would be a

919
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Speaker 4: different posture for him in particular.

920
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Speaker 1: Oh Anna, the whole adult. I mean, you know, I

921
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Speaker 1: considered myself a voter of adult, you know, looking for

922
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Speaker 1: the adult in the room in every race I go for.

923
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Speaker 1: And now it's like, I don't think they're going to

924
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Speaker 1: be I have to decide children which children's table that

925
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Speaker 1: you end up going to. But you know, it's interesting

926
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Speaker 1: it is for that reason that Trump's unpredictable. That to

927
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Speaker 1: me actually makes there's downside to cutting a deal and

928
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: letting them have control of government, right like, look at

929
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Speaker 1: what happens?

930
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Speaker 6: Also downside and shutting the government? Check is there?

931
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Speaker 1: It all depends on how they frame the fight. So Anna,

932
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Speaker 1: if it seems that the best leverage as far as

933
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Speaker 1: the public would understand and would be Obamacare subsidies, right

934
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Speaker 1: they expire, Like, if you're going to do this, you

935
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Speaker 1: have to have you have to have an ask that

936
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Speaker 1: seems semi realistic, and Obamacare subsidies feel semi realistic. I

937
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Speaker 1: could also say, if you really want to make them

938
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Speaker 1: we'll talk about this in a minute, really feel pain,

939
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Speaker 1: go make Republicans vote on tariffs. But I want to

940
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Speaker 1: punt that question here for a second. It's Obamacare subsidies.

941
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Speaker 1: What else could they have that maybe Republicans would concede

942
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 1: or the White House would do that would allow them

943
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Speaker 1: to stand for something and be careful.

944
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Speaker 4: The Republicans might say, Okay, I think the easiest answer

945
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 4: is often has the best answer, right, and you just

946
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 4: laid it out. I mean, if you're Democrats, what have

947
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 4: they won over the last since Obamacare past? But where

948
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 4: have they beat Republicans every single time. It has always

949
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 4: been on healthcare. And I think you've you saw this

950
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Speaker 4: in terms of even what they were trying to do

951
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Speaker 4: with the tax bill early earlier this year. So if

952
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Speaker 4: you're Democrats, it's something that people understand. It's personal. Well,

953
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Speaker 4: tariffs is something that I don't think most Americans even

954
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Speaker 4: understand how it works, like truly, like you know, like

955
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Speaker 4: I don't think you're like, Okay, we're standing on the

956
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 4: tariff thing, even though people say, well, either knew these

957
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 4: tariffs for six months, nine months and no one has

958
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 4: felt any change. Really, yeah, it's coming, it's coming, the

959
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,359
Speaker 4: economists say. But I think that's hard to play at

960
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 4: your hometown, you know, kind of rally that it's all

961
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 4: about tariffs. I think it's about I think when you

962
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 4: look at healthcare, it makes a lot more sense. And

963
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Speaker 4: I think it puts Republicans because there's already been some Senators,

964
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Speaker 4: Cenate Republicans who say, hey, actually, we do need to

965
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 4: figure this out, right, Like there's some cracks in the

966
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 4: wall there when it comes to Republicans on that issue,

967
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 4: much more so privately, when Publicans say these tariffs things

968
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 4: are terrible, I think you'd see a lot of Republicans

969
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 4: say they roll their eyes at them. It's not what

970
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 4: they think is good politics. But I think healthcare is

971
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 4: a lot more of a salient topic.

972
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 2: Look, Chuck, can I say something else? Which is one

973
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 2: other thing?

974
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 3: I agree with everything Anna said, I do have questions

975
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 3: about whether a CR can carry politically the weight of

976
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 3: those premium tax credits. I think it's tough, but I

977
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 3: don't think it's undoable. The White House is not engaged

978
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 3: on this topic from what I could not, from what

979
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 3: I could tell from my conversation with them.

980
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,399
Speaker 2: So but let me add one more thing. The risk

981
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 2: and shutting down the government if you're a Democrat is

982
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 2: as follows, How do you get out of it? Now?

983
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:23,240
Speaker 2: A realistic ask?

984
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 3: Sure Obamacare tax credits are a realistic ask. And as

985
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 3: my colleague Interredyce scenario is reported now for weeks now

986
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 3: that they want to make healthcare this big thing in

987
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty in the shutdown fight in the twenty

988
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 3: twenty six elections.

989
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 2: I get that.

990
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 3: But if you get into a shutdown, Donald Trump is

991
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 3: going to say we tried to offer Democrats a clean CR,

992
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 3: no funny business, and they shut down the government. Now,

993
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 3: Trump has a horrible history with government shutdowns. He screwed

994
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,280
Speaker 3: up the last one more than anybody can could imagine.

995
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 3: I mean, he got out of it for nothing after

996
00:52:55,000 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 3: he caused the shutdown. The shutdown was him. So you know, Trump,

997
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 3: as we were talking about, unpredictability, is unpredictability on a

998
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 3: shutdown is just is a real risk for Democrats.

999
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 2: Because they don't know what he's going to do. They

1000
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 2: don't know how he's going to handle it. They don't

1001
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 2: know how he is going to make a shutdown painful

1002
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 2: for Democrats. And Obama and.

1003
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 3: Chuck you remember this, Anna, you remember it too. Obama

1004
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 3: made it real painful for Republicans in the first shutdown

1005
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 3: under John Bayner. And I'm sorry for my buzzy or

1006
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 3: I'm in the Capitol where they're telling us some sort

1007
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 3: of something.

1008
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 2: Else is back. It's it's time for the House to

1009
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 2: come back to work.

1010
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,839
Speaker 3: So you know, there are ways that the White House

1011
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 3: can make this very very, very painful, and they are

1012
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 3: going to do that.

1013
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 1: You know though, I was just thinking about something, Anna.

1014
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: You know what, we've none of us have ever covered

1015
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: Democrats in the minority causing a shutdown I mean, we've

1016
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: just never seen it. It's never it's never happened. I

1017
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: guess it came close in the Reagan era, but that's before,

1018
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: that's before my professional time, per se. But this would

1019
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: be this is why all of it's unpredictable, right, because

1020
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:05,439
Speaker 1: we know Democrats want government to work. And how how

1021
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: I you know, would seven Democratic senators cave? What do

1022
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: we think the answer is? Of course? Right?

1023
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,240
Speaker 4: I mean, I also think the biggest thing that we're watching,

1024
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 4: or I think is just going to be really I

1025
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 4: think Chuck Schumer to me is the most fascinating person

1026
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 4: to watch in this whole thing, because he clearly got

1027
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 4: where he in this last government funding where they.

1028
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 5: Allowed for it to go forward.

1029
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 4: He and Jefferies were in different places, and he got

1030
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 4: kicked in the teeth for it, right, And.

1031
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: So the numbers are rivaling McConnell's now nationally like he's

1032
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: got name ID and it's all bad.

1033
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1034
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 4: I mean, so if you were Chuck Schumer, you are

1035
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 4: trying to align yourself as closely as possible to Jeffries

1036
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 4: to deflect any possible blame for this.

1037
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 5: And I think you know they know that, right, I mean,

1038
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 5: they know they don't.

1039
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 4: Have a lot of and they historically do you say me,

1040
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 4: like Democrats want to fund the government.

1041
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 5: They want more government programs.

1042
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 4: They believe that that is inherently important to be able

1043
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 4: to get their Social Security checks and all the other things.

1044
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 4: And for them to say, Okay, well now the time

1045
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,879
Speaker 4: to fight, Yeah, I think it could be could be tough.

1046
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 4: And I think point on that in terms of like, okay,

1047
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 4: the Trump people saying like we said a clean cr

1048
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 4: you wouldn't do it, Like they can't seem unreasonable.

1049
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: You know, the voters always get to say, and there's

1050
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: two actual sort of an election night this year could

1051
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: have some impact if like one party has a better

1052
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 1: night than expected or vice versa. You know you've got

1053
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 1: you know, I find New Jersey governor to be I

1054
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 1: think a very under the radar, underrated race, and I

1055
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 1: think people need to pay more and more intention to

1056
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 1: it every second of the day. And then of course

1057
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: there's a referendum in California now, which becomes not just

1058
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 1: make or break for Gavin Newsom's future, but make or break,

1059
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: you know A And I'm curious, Jake, if if Newsom

1060
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 1: loses the referendum, right, it's a real punch in that

1061
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: got to Democrats. Does that increase the need to fight

1062
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill? Or does that create more capitulation?

1063
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,879
Speaker 3: You know, Chuck, I just said to our I could

1064
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 3: show you in my notes from yesterday. I just sent

1065
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Speaker 3: to my team here, I have a note in here

1066
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Speaker 3: what if NEWSO loses?

1067
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Speaker 2: Well, I think it.

1068
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Speaker 1: Charlie Munger, you know, a buddy of just just to

1069
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 1: just to put a finer point on this. You know,

1070
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Speaker 1: normally the Republicans are always behind when it comes to

1071
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 1: anything California. But you know, I was talking to a

1072
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: good source of mine last week and he goes, hey,

1073
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Speaker 1: I've already got three mailers from the no campaign. The

1074
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Speaker 1: yes campaign hasn't even begun. Charlie Munger Junior, whose father

1075
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: famously was the partner late father just passed away. By

1076
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Speaker 1: the way, if you ever go down rabbit holes, Charlie

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Speaker 1: Munger Senior sayings are just fantastic. Yes, yes, lord of

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Speaker 1: Buffert's old partner. But Charlie Munger Junior, this was his baby.

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Speaker 1: He created, He funded this redistricting commission. You know, Arnold

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Speaker 1: was the face, but he was the money behind it.

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Speaker 1: And it's real and whether in you know, and they

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Speaker 1: are already spending money. It's going to be a close referendum.

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Speaker 1: This isn't a slam dunk for Newsom.

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Speaker 2: The polling that we've seen. I think Politico had a

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Speaker 2: poll that had h that had it at fifty three percent. Yes. Now,

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Speaker 2: the rule of thumb with these and I don't I

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Speaker 2: have I don't.

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Speaker 3: I haven't covered many of these, So I'm just going

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Speaker 3: off of what smart people have said on both sides

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Speaker 3: of the aisle is that rarely do these things get better.

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Speaker 3: If they start at fifty three, they are probably only

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Speaker 3: going down. That puts there's a real risk for Gavin Newsom.

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Speaker 3: So uh, that would be a big, a big gut punch.

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Speaker 3: But you know, I had a Republican say to me

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Speaker 3: the other day, if they make this about Trump versus Democrats,

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Speaker 3: yes can win. This is about equity and fairness. And

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Speaker 3: you add this system and Gavin Newsom is trying to

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Speaker 3: strip it away from you, then it's not It's not

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Speaker 3: a winning message for Yes.

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Speaker 2: Now. I will also just add, for for.

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Speaker 3: Accuracy sake, that this system has benefited Republicans in a

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Speaker 3: major way compared to the old system, which basically had

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Speaker 3: was the epitome of back room deal making in California,

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Speaker 3: where Howard Berman, the former congressman and his brother basically

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Speaker 3: drew the maps.

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Speaker 2: You know, well, Republicans have had.

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Speaker 3: Like, maybe not as good of a decade, as decade

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Speaker 3: or two decades as they should have in California.

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Speaker 2: But they've had a real good two decades.

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Speaker 3: I mean they've picked up seats in places they probably

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Speaker 3: otherwise would.

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Speaker 1: I would argue Kevin McCarthy had good relationships with California

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Speaker 1: Democrats that go back to his old legislative days for sure.

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Speaker 1: And there and he was able to play the card

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Speaker 1: that said, hey, you know, you don't want to screw

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Speaker 1: me too badly here I'm going to be bringing money

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Speaker 1: to California to it and and you know, that's the

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Speaker 1: way politics used to work in the States. Always be

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Speaker 1: kind of a nod to a member of the quote

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Speaker 1: minority party if they had juice in Washington.

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Speaker 3: But they also I'll also add add to that that

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Speaker 3: because of his because of where McCarthy was from, Kevin

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Speaker 3: ended up putting a lot of money into California and

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Speaker 3: really funded to a large degree a lot of you know,

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Speaker 3: did mailers for the California Republican Party out of his pocket,

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Speaker 3: spend millions in television advertisement. I mean, he really focused

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Speaker 3: on California as an untapped area for Republicans.

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Speaker 1: So Anna Jake didn't answer that, what would how would

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Speaker 1: Democrats on Capitol Hill response? That's all right, I'm just

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Speaker 1: giving you a hard time because we both nerded out

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Speaker 1: there in California. But would that? I mean, I guess

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Speaker 1: I could argue either way, but what would be your instinct?

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Speaker 1: Would it make congressional Democrats deflated and less into the

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Speaker 1: fight or more anxious to find somewhere else to push back?

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Speaker 5: I mean, a loss is a loss is a gut punch, right.

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Speaker 4: I mean I think if you look at Democrats are

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Speaker 4: still trying to figure out what happened in the last election, right,

1138
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Speaker 4: I mean, what the lessons are?

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Speaker 5: What is the message supposed to be? What are our

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Speaker 5: issues going to be?

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Speaker 4: If they can't win on this? And then the message

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Speaker 4: is what Jake said, it's anti Trump, it's Trump versus

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Speaker 4: you know, the opposite, and you're still losing, Like you're

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Speaker 4: going to go and lick your wounds and say, like

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Speaker 4: what about my reelection? I'm not worried about just majority,

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Speaker 4: but like if we can't win in California, where can

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Speaker 4: we win?

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Speaker 1: So then it becomes you think you're what you're describing

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Speaker 1: is sort of survive that everybody goes into survival mode.

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Speaker 4: I mean there's no national there's no leader of the

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Speaker 4: party right now, there's no unified message, there's no we

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Speaker 4: think this is how what is going to be the

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Speaker 4: issue that's going to you know, win the day in

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Speaker 4: the mid terms, right I mean like Democrats basically they

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Speaker 4: thought it was women's rights and abortion and that didn't

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Speaker 4: work the last time. You know, they'd run on healthcare

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Speaker 4: and the anti Trump stuff, and I think you just democrats.

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Speaker 4: You could pull ten Democrats from across the country and

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Speaker 4: you get ten different messages about what they think is

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Speaker 4: the thing that's going to actually make.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Anna, you just brought up reproductive rights. I was

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Speaker 1: with you when you had thought a couple of years

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Speaker 1: ago that this would be something that would just become

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Speaker 1: a huge problem, that Republicans would be carrying this around

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Speaker 1: as an anchor, yeah, around their ankles. Is it did

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Speaker 1: we miss something or is just Trump fogged up everything

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Speaker 1: and when the fog clears, this will probably bite them

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Speaker 1: at some point or no.

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Speaker 4: You know, I mean, I think women's rights, an abortion

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Speaker 4: in particular or assailing issue we saw play in a

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Speaker 4: lot of state state wide races right in the last election.

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Speaker 4: That wasn't that was the issue that Democrats really hanging

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Speaker 4: their hat on, that that was where the energy was,

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Speaker 4: that the turnout was.

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Speaker 5: Going to be women and others that were really energized

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Speaker 5: about this.

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Speaker 4: I think you had COVID, you had the economy, you

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Speaker 4: had the late you know, I mean you can think

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Speaker 4: about the mounding of the waters of Democrats w and

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Speaker 4: dropping out laid right like.

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Speaker 5: I mean, there's just a lot of things.

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Speaker 4: And frankly, I think the Republican messaging on crime, which

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Speaker 4: for two cycles before hadn't worked and finally did work

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Speaker 4: this time, right, Like, there were just counterveiling pressures that

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Speaker 4: I still think is this long term salient issue. I mean,

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Speaker 4: we'll see does gay marriage get back onto you know,

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Speaker 4: is that become a national issue again in a way

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Speaker 4: that it's no longer has felt like it hasn't been

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Speaker 4: an issue because it was kind of done and then

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Speaker 4: the president was set and now you start to see

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01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 4: some bubbling up of whether that's going to become so

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Speaker 4: some of these.

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Speaker 5: Culture issues that were, you know, kind of.

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Speaker 4: Favored Republicans, favored Democrats, and maybe we see the pendulum

1195
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Speaker 4: swinging back and forth a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Let me pivot to tariffs and whether Congress is going

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Speaker 1: to have to respond if the courts continue to reject

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Speaker 1: the Trump administration theory of the case, of the legality

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Speaker 1: of their situation. Jake is speaker Johnson prepared to put

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Speaker 1: a vote that basically, you know, I don't want to

1201
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: they codifies the power Trump believed he had with these

1202
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 1: emergency acts, and they come up with it, they concoct

1203
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Speaker 1: another way to do it, or they just directly give

1204
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 1: him authority. Is that even being talked about yet?

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Speaker 2: Not yet, But that's a really good question.

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Speaker 3: I listen with the general theory of the case with

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Speaker 3: Mike Johnson as he will he will do us asks

1208
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Speaker 3: by Trump and and and Johnson doesn't like to hear that.

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Speaker 3: And his argument is that he actually works out a

1210
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Speaker 3: lot of things behind the scenes with Trump and and

1211
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Speaker 3: they're working as a unified party, and they're working as

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Speaker 3: a unified governing apparatus and whatever.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, I think by.

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Speaker 1: The way, he's right, which he no longer believes, he

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Speaker 1: doesn't behave like the head of a legislative branch. But

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Speaker 1: I'll digress. Like you know, it's funny is that his

1217
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 1: defense actually only reinforces the notion that he views himself

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Speaker 1: as a member of the administration almost more than he

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Speaker 1: does the head of the legislative brand.

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Speaker 3: He would argue, he views himself as a leader of

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Speaker 3: the party and the and they're strategizing with the White House.

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Speaker 3: But that's that wasn't the question. I don't see giving

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Speaker 3: Trump terraff authority getting sixty votes your Senate.

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Speaker 2: Hapening.

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Speaker 1: So whether did you see them do an emergent like

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Speaker 1: create a New Emergencies Act if you will that, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean? Where Look they've come up they

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Speaker 1: god bless Congress, they can come up with if you

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Speaker 1: vote no, it's a yes. If you vote yes, it's

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Speaker 1: a no, right, one of those gambits that.

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Speaker 3: But that that would require participation from Schumer, and I

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Speaker 3: just don't think that's going to happen and would at

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Speaker 3: least go on.

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Speaker 4: And I also think, I mean, there's one name that

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Speaker 4: matters here, John Soon. He does in a very different

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Speaker 4: place than Trump is when it comes to tariffs, and

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Speaker 4: I think it's.

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Speaker 2: Not aston what bag.

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Speaker 1: Senator isn't right, every senator is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, minorit.

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Speaker 5: Dakota roots are coming out here. But I mean I

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Speaker 5: really feel like that alone.

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Speaker 4: I think in the House, yes, if if this administration

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Speaker 4: really wants, uh you know, the House Republicans to do something,

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Speaker 4: they probably will do it. But it gets much more complicated,

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Speaker 4: and I think it's always like it's one thing to

1247
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 4: have inertia and not do something to counteract Trump. It's

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Speaker 4: another thing to say we are going to proactively take

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Speaker 4: action when it comes to terras.

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Speaker 1: Because this is something we could get a Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: ruling sooner than we think, and it gets thrown into

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Speaker 1: what could already be a whole bunch of michigosh on

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Speaker 1: the government funding.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah we could, yes we could. But listen.

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Speaker 3: Johnson has said this week a number of times that

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Speaker 3: he sees funding as a bipartisan I mean again, we'll

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Speaker 3: see how it all works out. Well, he sees funding

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Speaker 3: as a bipartisan process, and he's not going to throw

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Speaker 3: in a bunch of wrenches and a bunch of.

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Speaker 2: Sand in the gears and all that stuff. We will see.

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Speaker 3: I don't believe anything until I see it, because last

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Speaker 3: time they said it was going to be a clean

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Speaker 3: funding bill. It wasn't as clean as they purported it

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Speaker 3: would be. And so let's let's see how that how

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Speaker 3: that shakes out.

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Speaker 1: Are Jefferies and Schumer going to be at the White

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Speaker 1: House in a meeting with Trump before thee.

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Speaker 3: The White House I as the White House does yesterday?

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Speaker 3: And they said it was a bit premature. And I

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Speaker 3: was thinking back.

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Speaker 1: To all premature if they had any.

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Speaker 2: I said, I said, would they do it this week?

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Speaker 3: So they said it was premature this week, but I

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Speaker 3: was thinking back to previous years. I think, you know,

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Speaker 3: government funding most of the time runs out at the

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Speaker 3: end of September, and usually there is a bipartisan you know,

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Speaker 3: four corners meeting at the White House at the beginning

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Speaker 3: of every September. The President has not met with them.

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Speaker 3: You know, listen, he hadn't met with him yet, right.

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Speaker 5: But it's backfired on him.

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Speaker 4: I mean, think about the epic photo of Pelosi leaving, right,

1282
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Speaker 4: you look at these things. What Trump has done really

1283
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Speaker 4: well is utilize meetings the White House for his own

1284
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Speaker 4: party to bring sure people off of his own party

1285
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Speaker 4: and bring them in and then turn the votes. I

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Speaker 4: think like you know, you know it's going to go poorly, right,

1287
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Speaker 4: Like him meeting with Chuck Schumer and Jeffries does not

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Speaker 4: change anything in terms of the dynamics. It's not going

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Speaker 4: to convince them that they're all going to work together

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Speaker 4: on something. But you know, you're part of a play

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Speaker 4: that like maybe this is the next step in the

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Speaker 4: next week and a half, but like, let's just fast

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Speaker 4: forward to what actually is meaningful, because it's not going

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Speaker 4: to be them meeting at the White House.

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Speaker 2: Jefferies has no relationship with Trump.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, Schumer had a relationship with Trump and then then

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Speaker 3: had a very bad relationship and continue them a bad.

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Speaker 2: Relationship with Trump.

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Speaker 3: But listen, if Democrats win the House again, I don't

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01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 3: know what's going to happen. That will be a really

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Speaker 3: interesting dynamic to watch. Keem Jefferies has been unsparing in

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Speaker 3: his criticism of Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about a couple other pain points

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Speaker 1: that will make this podcast both fresh and could spoil quickly.

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Speaker 1: And that is I want to talk Epstein and Kennedy

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Speaker 1: and I know we I think have some both of

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Speaker 1: those things might have some movement over the next day

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Speaker 1: or so. But let's talk Epstein. You know, does Trump

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Speaker 1: have the votes to prevent prevent the release or not?

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Speaker 2: I think so at this point. I hate to say it.

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Speaker 2: I hate to say that. I think so.

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Speaker 1: I right now there are are they whipping this White

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01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 1: House whipping hard on this? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, And were amazing.

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Speaker 5: Just reported though.

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Speaker 4: I mean, like you know, Annapoline and Luna, which was

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Speaker 4: one of the Republicans that they would need, has said

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Speaker 4: she's not going to support it. So like you're looking

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Speaker 4: for two there, they need two more signatures on the

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Speaker 4: Republican sign right, Yeah, they.

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Speaker 3: Have Anapoline, they have Lauren Bobert, MTG, Nancy Mason Massey.

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Speaker 2: They need two.

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Speaker 3: More Burlison, Luna, Ralph Norman, Eric Burlison, that is uh

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Speaker 3: and Keith self have all said they will not be

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Speaker 3: signing it. H Victorious Sparts is someone to watch. There's

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Speaker 3: always a couple of wild cards in there.

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Speaker 2: I'll just say this.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Republicans thought this thing would would go away

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Speaker 3: after the August recess.

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Speaker 2: It's not.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's been a there was a big press

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Speaker 3: conference with all the survivors. It is survivors of Epstein's

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01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 3: horrific behavior. You know, and it's not going away.

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Speaker 4: And the bigger thing is what happens on rules. I mean,

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Speaker 4: this was what ground the whole house to why they

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Speaker 4: left early. I mean, this is the dissearched position. Is

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Speaker 4: one thing, but they need to figure out an answer

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Speaker 4: going forward for rules, and it's it's hard to see

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Speaker 4: what they've done to appease the people who.

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Speaker 1: For the rules. Give give, give give a quick little,

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Speaker 1: uh non Capitol Hill explanation on what happened.

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Speaker 5: There, Jake, you can you can do this.

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Speaker 2: Why was the house frozen?

1344
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Speaker 3: Is basically the question that handless and there was there

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Speaker 3: were people wouldn't vote for procedural motions because of the Epstein,

1346
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Speaker 3: because they were angry with how Johnson was handling Epstein

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Speaker 3: and froze the house floor.

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Speaker 2: They couldn't get anything moving. People are just sitting around here,

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Speaker 2: so they doesn't go listen Johnson.

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Speaker 7: Bills have to go through rules, right, the leader design

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01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:47,720
Speaker 7: the rules leadership at the top level, and it goes

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Speaker 7: to rules and without rules, then they that literally who were.

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Speaker 1: The two wrenches? There was it Roy and Norman.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but more and more than that, more than that,

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Speaker 3: it was Roy and Norman basically and Norman got backed

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Speaker 3: off a little bit, but it was just it was

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Speaker 3: it was sprouting up everywhere and it was not a

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Speaker 3: productive week before Johnson and and.

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Speaker 2: He sent them home. Now, yeah, so, I mean this

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Speaker 2: issue is not going away.

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Speaker 3: And discharge petitions, as we kind of written before, is

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Speaker 3: like a cry of pain that lawmakers don't like the

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Speaker 3: way the leadership is handling the floor.

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Speaker 2: And that's what we're seeing right now.

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Speaker 1: It never goes away, right if they're two signatures short

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Speaker 1: for a while, then it's not as if the discharge

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Speaker 1: petition disappears and any no any development, right.

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Speaker 5: And it is always going to be hanging out there.

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Speaker 3: It's rules that we don't have to get into now.

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Speaker 3: But there are rules about once a discharge petition reaches

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Speaker 3: to eighteen when I think it's seven legislative days, it

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Speaker 3: has to come up for a vote. It can't be

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Speaker 3: you know, it can't be de layter moved. But but

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Speaker 3: so any the sooner you get them, the sooner.

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Speaker 2: You have the vote.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, that goes without saying and things like this, generally speaking,

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Speaker 3: not speaking about Epstein, discharge petitions sometimes lose steam.

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Speaker 2: People could come off of them.

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Speaker 3: The White House is putting a lot a lot of

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Speaker 3: pressure on this on just saying that's.

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Speaker 1: Just squeal that. I mean, you know, that's what the

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Speaker 1: site is doing.

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Speaker 3: What you want to do with this discharge petition. They're

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Speaker 3: already conducting their investigation. It's premature. You don't have to do.

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Speaker 1: This interesting so that the ask is not don't sign

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Speaker 1: it ever, the ask is don't sign it now.

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Speaker 2: It's really don't sign it now. I mean typically I

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Speaker 2: mean and listen in legislation.

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Speaker 1: By the time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I mean they're trying to just exactly to

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Speaker 4: your point, like they're just trying to keep it going

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Speaker 4: as long as possible so that you like, it's going

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01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:53,879
Speaker 4: to lose momentum loo steam. There'snna be the next crisis,

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Speaker 4: the next scandal, the next thing to focus on, and

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Speaker 4: that is what the you know, or like, let's move forward.

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Speaker 4: I mean, but I think this, I don't think they

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Speaker 4: have figured it out at all. I think a huge

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Speaker 4: problem for them.

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Speaker 1: Let's I want to pivot to Kennedy in the in

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Speaker 1: the mess over at the CDC and whether this is

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Speaker 1: a moment that the you know, the largest chunk of

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Speaker 1: Trump skeptics left in the Republican Party are on the

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Speaker 1: Senate side. Right, there's and the question and at any

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01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:23,479
Speaker 1: moment they could there's always enough to deny Republicans a

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01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 1: majority on things if they decide to to to uh

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Speaker 1: unite on something. What kind of constituency does Kennedy have

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Speaker 1: inside the Senate Republican chamber these days?

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Speaker 2: That's a very good question. Uh it is, I'll do

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Speaker 2: put it this way.

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01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:50,719
Speaker 3: People want to be deferential to Trump generally speaking, Kennedy

1411
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:52,759
Speaker 3: has really taken a lot of people for a ride.

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Speaker 2: Just be honest with you.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he gave all sorts of commitments to to

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01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 3: dotasiity and people feel like they were taking for a

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01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:07,800
Speaker 3: ride with this guy. And this is something we have,

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01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:11,360
Speaker 3: we have, we've written about and we can we can

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01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 3: never write about enough because you know, they were Senators

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01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:19,080
Speaker 3: were forced to take a vote on Kennedy. Some of

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01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 3: them were hesitant, and they were given certain guarantees that

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Speaker 3: many of them feel that he has not lived up.

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Speaker 1: To Anna where I mean, I I can't believe.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think mull Cassidy is the guy to

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Speaker 4: watch right. I mean, it's his committee that has jurisdiction

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Speaker 4: over it, that is oversight over it. We'll see how

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01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 4: Kennedy handles it. But I mean, I don't know what

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Speaker 4: the what what is the next step they is Cassidy

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Speaker 4: going to say we're not gonna vote for some of

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Speaker 4: the other folks that Trump has put up as a nominee.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 5: There's not a ton of No.

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01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 2: No, they don't have the guts to do that. There's

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Speaker 2: no real leverage.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, odd, be honest, I think that I

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Speaker 1: think there's If he's outright lied to senators, which is

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Speaker 1: what you're implying here, Jake, then arguably he could be impeached.

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Speaker 1: But there's no way a Republican House is impeaching.

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Speaker 2: No. No, I don't think. I don't think they won't

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Speaker 2: do it.

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01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 1: No, I'm not. I'm not in. But I am surprised

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01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 1: that Susie Wiles has allowed this to get as chaotic

1441
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 1: as it has. I have heard before she tried to

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Speaker 1: rein in Kennedy at the start, and I guess she

1443
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 1: failed or she lost this.

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01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 2: Trump had her clearly clearly.

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01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he and by the way, like he

1446
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 3: has his own constituent constituency excuse me, in the party,

1447
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 3: right h Kennedy does and is leading what a lot

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01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:42,919
Speaker 3: of people consider it to be some sort of movement

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01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:46,800
Speaker 3: on health issues and the Maha movement, which is a

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Speaker 3: terrible speaking of rebranding, maybe we should rebrand that.

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01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:53,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, so he has his own constituency as well.

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01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 1: All right, let's move The final one is is a

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01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:01,800
Speaker 1: potential pain point that divides the g is putin sanctions.

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01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 1: And I I gotta think that if something was put

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Speaker 1: on the floor of the Senate, you might get sixty

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01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:13,599
Speaker 1: five seventy votes to do something tough on putin.

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Speaker 5: No, I think that's probably right.

1458
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:18,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, listen, I think that, especially if the

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Speaker 4: Trump administration wants it. I mean, you you're gonna have

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Speaker 4: Lindsay Graham, You're gonna have a bunch of Republicans who

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01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 4: I think are already in the camp to say we

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01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 4: should be doing something right. But I think they are,

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Speaker 4: Like on a lot of things, Senate Republicans are taking

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Speaker 4: their cues from one Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: They're not going to go off on their own.

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Speaker 2: On this one. I have a hard time seeing it. Jake,

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Speaker 2: I agree. I agree.

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Speaker 3: No, it's too and on on on sanctions and just

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01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:46,680
Speaker 3: hitting back on Russia. I mean, Thune has been very

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01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:49,639
Speaker 3: deferential to Trump's and and they're not moving without Trump.

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Speaker 1: I mean they rhetorically they sound like they're ready to break,

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Speaker 1: they're just not going to do it.

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Speaker 5: I don't think they're a different place on a lot

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Speaker 5: of things.

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Speaker 3: Potentially, I don't think soon would put anything on the

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Speaker 3: floor to to that would present that scenario.

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Speaker 1: Basically, let me get out of here. On two quick

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Speaker 1: questions about about campaign twenty six, is Jonny Earns the

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Speaker 1: last Senate retirement probably let me just saying, I mean

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Speaker 1: to me, there's Cassidy, there's still Cassidy, Collins in Cornyn.

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Speaker 2: The three c Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm not convinced that that that that Collins does it.

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Speaker 3: If they do a bunch of crs and you're the

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Speaker 3: Senate Appropriations chair and you're not getting your marks, Oh.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, would you? You're on the like I was.

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Speaker 2: You know, Collins will ultimately run, but I'm not convinced

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Speaker 2: to that.

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01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:42,840
Speaker 1: Interesting, I'm not conving.

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Speaker 3: And I'm also, like you said, Cornyn is an open question.

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Speaker 3: And the other one you mentioned was Cassie. I think

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Speaker 3: Cassidy does run, but I don't feel like can he

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Speaker 3: win against much against against who's the guy who the

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01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 3: former member running against John Fleming against John Fleming.

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Speaker 2: Probably, Yeah, But.

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Speaker 1: What about Julia Letla. I mean I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: Right, Ledlow hasn't gotten him yet. She would be an

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Speaker 2: interesting candidate.

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Speaker 3: She is a very very good, paul very attractive candidate

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Speaker 3: in that she raises a lot of money.

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Speaker 2: She's closed with the leadership.

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Speaker 1: I mean, doesn't Trump want to take Cassidy doesn't? I

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01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 1: mean Trump has never given up trying to take out

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01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 1: people that impeached him or convicted him.

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Speaker 4: But it's different than Tilli's. Like Tilla's was somebody where

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Speaker 4: they had an open kind of war happening. I feel

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Speaker 4: like Bill Gasty's gone along to get along with Trump

1507
01:17:29,240 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 4: for the most part. Posts I mean in this I

1508
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:35,599
Speaker 4: mean he got Kennedy's, He's supported a lot this cycle.

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01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:37,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's been humiliated. I mean, I don't know,

1510
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 1: I thy I I I assume Cassidy doesn't. But I

1511
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:46,559
Speaker 1: do you think he doesn't run? I think he doesn't runs.

1512
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 1: The Kennedy stuff has been I mean this is a

1513
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:52,799
Speaker 1: pretty big black mark on him, right, you know, he

1514
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 1: he went out on a limb for Kennedy and he

1515
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:57,719
Speaker 1: got other I mean the Tom Tilla's statement. A couple

1516
01:17:57,960 --> 01:17:59,680
Speaker 1: was it about a month ago where Tilla said, well,

1517
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 1: I vote for Kennedy because Cassidy told me to.

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01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 3: Said it was okay, right, I mean, listen, politicians typically

1519
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:09,720
Speaker 3: don't have, you know, a great deal of shame, So

1520
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Speaker 3: I think he could run again.

1521
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:16,760
Speaker 2: But you know, and I guess I don't feel that

1522
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 2: strongly one way or the other.

1523
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:20,800
Speaker 1: Interesting, All right, let me get you guys out of

1524
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:25,040
Speaker 1: here on this. You're expanding the punch Bowl Enterprise and

1525
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:28,960
Speaker 1: what does that mean you guys? Studio? And what what

1526
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 1: do you see? What's the why?

1527
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 2: You know?

1528
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 1: I you know, I've the Washington media market. You know,

1529
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:38,200
Speaker 1: I've watched this over the years. You guys are the

1530
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:41,760
Speaker 1: are the entity of the moment here. How do you

1531
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:43,599
Speaker 1: how do you hold it? How do you keep it?

1532
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:45,760
Speaker 1: What do you see the next five years looking by?

1533
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a great question. I mean, listen, I think

1534
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:50,759
Speaker 4: we are five years old in January. So we started

1535
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:53,599
Speaker 4: with four of us, will be almost fifty people by

1536
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 4: the end.

1537
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 2: Of the year.

1538
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:57,080
Speaker 4: And you know, we started as a kind of a

1539
01:18:57,120 --> 01:19:00,519
Speaker 4: newsletter and a subscription business, and we do lots of events,

1540
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:03,840
Speaker 4: and we now have a policy intelligence tool. And I

1541
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 4: think when you look at the landscape, particularly on TV

1542
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 4: or video. This to us, we feel like again like

1543
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:13,439
Speaker 4: everybody kind of dismisses us oftentimes, I go, we're too

1544
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 4: niche or we're too focused on the hill. Like we

1545
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:18,479
Speaker 4: know exactly who we are and what we're doing, and

1546
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 4: there's a huge audience of important people that care about

1547
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:24,200
Speaker 4: the kind of conversations, the kind of covers that we're doing.

1548
01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:26,240
Speaker 4: And that's what Flyout Day is, right, Like it's a

1549
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 4: weekly show that's going to come out the Thursday after

1550
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 4: members leave. It's the last conversation that they have that put.

1551
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 5: A fine point on the end of end of the week.

1552
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:37,840
Speaker 4: That can also not just be about you know, kind

1553
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:41,519
Speaker 4: of gotcha moments and the latest SoundBite of what's happening

1554
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 4: with the White House.

1555
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:44,639
Speaker 5: I mean, this is really our kind of our.

1556
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 4: Encapsulation of what our written coverages to and our podcast

1557
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 4: is every day with the Daily Punch and taking that

1558
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:50,840
Speaker 4: to video.

1559
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 1: So Thursday's the new Sunday.

1560
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:58,480
Speaker 2: First of all, news, Well, no, Thursday is the new Thursday.

1561
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 1: Let me just ask. But it's the most important thing

1562
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 1: is what you're really setting up is the future. Uh

1563
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 1: in three day that that there are no that Friday

1564
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 1: is no longer a workday. That's the real thing that

1565
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:12,640
Speaker 1: you guys are.

1566
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:16,760
Speaker 3: What we're doing, what we're trying to know, what we're

1567
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 3: trying to do is we're trying to Maybe I won't

1568
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 3: say that.

1569
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:23,080
Speaker 2: Because Anna will get mad at me. Let me say one.

1570
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 3: Let me just give Inah some credit here on a

1571
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 3: few things. Number one, what we're trying to Members of

1572
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 3: Congress are asked to go on television to become pundits

1573
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 3: about Trump.

1574
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 1: Oh, I joke about it all the time. They're they're

1575
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:39,920
Speaker 1: elected pundits.

1576
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 3: I'm not interested in that, like I'm interested in it,

1577
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 3: I guess to the extent they're involved in the issue

1578
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:48,720
Speaker 3: at end. I'm not interested in having, you know, Congressman

1579
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 3: exon and to give me his views on like various

1580
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:53,799
Speaker 3: things that other people are doing, the last people about Trump.

1581
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:56,960
Speaker 3: Where it makes sense, I'll say this about our business,

1582
01:20:57,040 --> 01:21:03,040
Speaker 3: like I am being I am. We can't be a

1583
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 3: niche enough, and like we've created business that's newsletters, events, now, video,

1584
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 3: a SaaS business, a data SaaS business, a subscription business,

1585
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:12,920
Speaker 3: and ad business.

1586
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:14,680
Speaker 2: I mean we are.

1587
01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 3: We've created quite a multifaceted revenue business. And I just

1588
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:22,400
Speaker 3: love being underestimated that's the you know, the amount of

1589
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 3: business decisions I don't underestimate you guys over promote. Yeah,

1590
01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:29,720
Speaker 3: the amount of business decisions that I try to push

1591
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 3: Anna to make based on perceived slights from my history

1592
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:36,639
Speaker 3: is is it should be alarming to a lot of people.

1593
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 1: Well, and I mean, look, I just look at the

1594
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:42,200
Speaker 1: amount of money pouring into every time. You think, boy,

1595
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 1: is there another industry that can spend money and outspend healthcare?

1596
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 1: And you're like, oh yeah, Silicon Valley says, hold you know,

1597
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:53,880
Speaker 1: hold my digital beer. I mean, the amount of money

1598
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 1: being poured into Washington right now is I mean, it's

1599
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:01,880
Speaker 1: it's always more than we've ever seen, but it feels exponential.

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Speaker 5: I think that's right.

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01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 4: I also think there was a real shift of power

1602
01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:07,000
Speaker 4: in COVID right where all of a sudden, you all

1603
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:10,559
Speaker 4: this businesses having to deal with the federal government in

1604
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 4: a way that they kind of used to be dismissive.

1605
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:12,519
Speaker 2: Right.

1606
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:15,160
Speaker 5: The power centers was New York and LA and things

1607
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:15,639
Speaker 5: like that, and.

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01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:16,719
Speaker 2: All the states.

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01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:19,400
Speaker 1: Right remember we were all like, oh no, the real

1610
01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:22,639
Speaker 1: actions in those state legislatures, which it was for a time.

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01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, But I think right now, when you say particularly

1612
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:28,719
Speaker 4: I mean there's there's short term issues, there's long term issues,

1613
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 4: but all across every sector is there's mature businesses. But

1614
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:34,680
Speaker 4: I know we've talked to these new companies all the

1615
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:36,600
Speaker 4: time and they say, oh, it's not Washington's not going

1616
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 4: to come for me.

1617
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:37,920
Speaker 5: I'm changing the world.

1618
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 4: Like it might take a while, it might take six years,

1619
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 4: but Washington's coming for everyone, and regulations coming, and so

1620
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:46,680
Speaker 4: we can we have the eyeballs and the attention of

1621
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:49,760
Speaker 4: the people that are making those policy decisions. And it's

1622
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:51,880
Speaker 4: been something where I think we also are like the

1623
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:54,639
Speaker 4: hometown paper of Capitol Hill, you know, like we cover

1624
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 4: them as the beginning, the middle, and the end of

1625
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 4: our entire coverage season.

1626
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:02,040
Speaker 2: It's not like, oh you're you know, we.

1627
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:03,439
Speaker 4: Really here without the White House. We really hear about

1628
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:05,840
Speaker 4: national politics or other things. And I think that that's

1629
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:08,120
Speaker 4: validating to them, not that we're best friends with anybody,

1630
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 4: but that like, we care about what's happening in that building.

1631
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:14,880
Speaker 1: Look, you know, it's funny you say, you know who

1632
01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 1: you are, you know your audience. The last long run

1633
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:23,720
Speaker 1: that any publication had that dominated the Washington the way

1634
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 1: you guys are dominating was back during roll calls heyday

1635
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 1: in the nineties, and I would argue it's because they

1636
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:32,680
Speaker 1: didn't try to cover the Clinton administration. They didn't try

1637
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:35,599
Speaker 1: to cover all this other stuff. They always kept their

1638
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:38,879
Speaker 1: eye on the ball. They were the Capitol Hill newspaper,

1639
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 1: not Washington's newspaper. And in fact, the minute they strayed

1640
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:45,559
Speaker 1: away from that is when they started to lose a

1641
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:48,599
Speaker 1: little bit of their of their status. Obviously they got

1642
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 1: everybody gets a competitor, and you can't ever, you know,

1643
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:56,280
Speaker 1: and competition's good, but you know, keeping your eye on

1644
01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:59,799
Speaker 1: that Capitol Hill ball, you know, you'll never You'll never starve,

1645
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:04,760
Speaker 1: that's for sure, You'll never start well. I uh, I uh,

1646
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:08,000
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm an addict. I love you guys. I

1647
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 1: am a huge promoter. There's nothing like you right now.

1648
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 1: You're you're you're winning the race. And there's a lot

1649
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 1: of good stuff out there, don't get me wrong. And

1650
01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:17,680
Speaker 1: you know, we we all of our previous employers have

1651
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:21,400
Speaker 1: really good people there. But you guys have an alignment

1652
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:26,200
Speaker 1: of both vision and the editorial that's second to none

1653
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 1: right now. And it's a pleasure to watch. And let's

1654
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:31,280
Speaker 1: just say, I hope I learned something and do my

1655
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 1: best to emulate.

1656
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:32,519
Speaker 2: It in some way.

1657
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 8: Thank you, all right, I hope you for those on

1658
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:48,240
Speaker 8: the full episode, I hope you enjoyed that.

1659
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 1: And now let's load up. Let's do some questions, ask Chuck.

1660
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:58,559
Speaker 1: Given that this is the last episode for a week,

1661
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:00,639
Speaker 1: I'm going to try to let just go a little

1662
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:02,760
Speaker 1: bit here and get through. Let me see if I

1663
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:07,200
Speaker 1: can get through. My goal is seven questions. See if

1664
01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:10,519
Speaker 1: I can do seven, maybe eight and thirty minutes. All right,

1665
01:25:10,640 --> 01:25:13,960
Speaker 1: let's give it a shot. This one comes from David

1666
01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:18,639
Speaker 1: from Oviado, Florida. I think it's Oviado, but if I'm wrong,

1667
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 1: he will let me know. All right, So I'm a

1668
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:23,760
Speaker 1: long time listener going back to your MTP days. I'm

1669
01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:25,720
Speaker 1: also a Florida boy, though a bit north from you

1670
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:27,840
Speaker 1: Semino County. I think I remember you once saying you

1671
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 1: have some relatives in Longwood. Yes, I've listened to your

1672
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 1: complaints about DEMS in regard to redistingu which made it

1673
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:35,519
Speaker 1: amusing when you also said we have to deal with

1674
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:36,960
Speaker 1: the world as it is, not as we'd like it

1675
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:40,040
Speaker 1: to be. Touche, Isn't that exactly what DEM's pushing aggressive

1676
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:42,200
Speaker 1: maps are doing? Not to get too nerdy, but think

1677
01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:44,040
Speaker 1: of it like the old Star Trek episode of Private

1678
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:46,799
Speaker 1: Little War. The Klingon's arm one side, so the Federation

1679
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:48,840
Speaker 1: arms the other to keep balance. It's messy, but if

1680
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 1: Dems don't play by the same rules, they may never

1681
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:53,439
Speaker 1: control the House again in our lifetimes. What say you, no,

1682
01:25:54,120 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 1: this is this is a fair question. You're not alone

1683
01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 1: in this pushback of my closest friends. You know, somebody

1684
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:08,320
Speaker 1: that that I'll be arguing with, mostly about Dodger baseball,

1685
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:13,920
Speaker 1: but also about politics. He's a Angelino, he's a Californian,

1686
01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:18,080
Speaker 1: and he and I were arguing about this, and on

1687
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:22,280
Speaker 1: one hand, we both agree that this is terrible. And

1688
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 1: yet what he says is, what's your alternative, you know?

1689
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:31,920
Speaker 1: And my alternative is run a campaign? Right, And that's

1690
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:35,800
Speaker 1: the problem, right, is that there's no when you're you know,

1691
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:39,080
Speaker 1: it all depends on how you view Trump and Trump

1692
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:42,680
Speaker 1: is do you think it is such a threat that

1693
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:48,680
Speaker 1: it is irreversible if some things happen, or is it

1694
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:51,880
Speaker 1: reversible if you stick to your guns and eventually the

1695
01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:55,400
Speaker 1: public's going to reward you for being right? And I

1696
01:26:55,400 --> 01:26:58,200
Speaker 1: think it's sort of a combination of the two. I

1697
01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:02,519
Speaker 1: will say this, I think the fact that Newsom has

1698
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:07,000
Speaker 1: to go to the voters cleans it up for me. Right,

1699
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:10,439
Speaker 1: It's like, look, it's he wants to fight this, but

1700
01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:12,880
Speaker 1: he's got to get voter permission to do it. I

1701
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:14,880
Speaker 1: think it makes it more righteous than what Abbot did

1702
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:18,080
Speaker 1: in Texas. Right, He's not going to the voters to

1703
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:22,920
Speaker 1: ask this decision. So in that sense, I think Gavin

1704
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:27,360
Speaker 1: he gets better higher marks on the Democracy's Test than

1705
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:32,559
Speaker 1: Abbot does. But this is, you know, if you take

1706
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:39,000
Speaker 1: it to its logical conclusion, we don't have you know,

1707
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:43,960
Speaker 1: we go it's almost like we've repealed the amendment that

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01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:47,519
Speaker 1: allowed for Senate elections, you know up until the essentially

1709
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 1: the mid nineteen teens, right, I think it was by

1710
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 1: nineteen eighteen all Senators were finally elected by the people

1711
01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:57,559
Speaker 1: instead of state legislatures. Well, then we're literally reversing what

1712
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:00,360
Speaker 1: the founders want it. We're going to be elect being

1713
01:28:00,439 --> 01:28:03,880
Speaker 1: members of Congress via the state legislatures and how they

1714
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 1: draw the maps. And it's the senators that are the

1715
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:11,479
Speaker 1: ones that are actually more responsive to the actual people.

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01:28:12,439 --> 01:28:14,680
Speaker 1: So I think when you throw to that to you

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01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:18,640
Speaker 1: really have sort of you have taken the people out

1718
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:23,040
Speaker 1: of the people's house. Right, So again I get it.

1719
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 1: There's not a I don't have an answer of well,

1720
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:28,479
Speaker 1: how do you win this on the high ground? How

1721
01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:31,200
Speaker 1: do you win this righteously? How do you win this principally?

1722
01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:34,920
Speaker 1: You know, there's so many mistakes that Democrats have made

1723
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:37,800
Speaker 1: and how it treated Florida in Texas that you know,

1724
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:40,400
Speaker 1: you reap what you saw. You know, they're getting bullied

1725
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:43,640
Speaker 1: by the majority party in both states. Why because they surrendered.

1726
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:47,200
Speaker 1: The National Party surrendered in Florida and never you know,

1727
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:50,000
Speaker 1: only talked a good game in Texas, never actually backed

1728
01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:53,719
Speaker 1: it up with resources and investment. And I'm not talking

1729
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:57,280
Speaker 1: about investments for one election or for six months. I'm

1730
01:28:57,280 --> 01:28:59,760
Speaker 1: talking the long term, right, These are ten year projects.

1731
01:29:00,479 --> 01:29:03,080
Speaker 1: And now, guess what, twenty thirty two is going to

1732
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:06,000
Speaker 1: be a disaster for the Democrats and that first presidential

1733
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:10,200
Speaker 1: election after reapportionment, with Texas gaining more electoral votes, Florida

1734
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:14,719
Speaker 1: gaining more electoral votes, Idaho gaining more electoral votes, big,

1735
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:18,240
Speaker 1: big problems going to make Georgia North Carolina Democrats are

1736
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:21,679
Speaker 1: gonna have to win both states every time, plus those

1737
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:24,200
Speaker 1: three Midwestern states and oh, by the way, that are

1738
01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:29,080
Speaker 1: shrinking in importance, but then still very competitive with and

1739
01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:32,640
Speaker 1: probably you're going to throw in a Minnesota which is

1740
01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:35,240
Speaker 1: going to which continues to creep closer and closer into

1741
01:29:35,240 --> 01:29:40,880
Speaker 1: swing state status. So look, this is this is on

1742
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:43,000
Speaker 1: the you know, the Democrats are in this situation because

1743
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:46,719
Speaker 1: of their their inability to be a national party right

1744
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:49,320
Speaker 1: and their decision to pull out of Florida and Texas

1745
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 1: and concede it all, and their focus on the presidency

1746
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:55,480
Speaker 1: and obsession with only when the Senate and the presidency,

1747
01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:59,680
Speaker 1: terrible investment into state legislative races. Really, I'll say this,

1748
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:03,200
Speaker 1: it is really improved over the last I'd say six years.

1749
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:06,000
Speaker 1: There's been a real effort to do better in these

1750
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:10,640
Speaker 1: state elections. So there's there there. They have played ketch up.

1751
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:15,320
Speaker 1: The Republican Party and the conservative movement has been so

1752
01:30:15,479 --> 01:30:18,479
Speaker 1: much more focused on grassroots elections than the than the

1753
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:21,840
Speaker 1: progressive movement or the or the Democrats. You're seeing more

1754
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:24,240
Speaker 1: of them now look that way. But look at school boards,

1755
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:28,040
Speaker 1: look at you know in particular, as a perfect example

1756
01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:32,360
Speaker 1: of where the conservative movement tapped into some grassroots and

1757
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:36,280
Speaker 1: got there and really were able to develop so anyway,

1758
01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:40,880
Speaker 1: I get it. I You're not the You're not the

1759
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:44,280
Speaker 1: first person that I've had this debate with and I

1760
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:47,439
Speaker 1: I don't have a then what should they? You know? Okay,

1761
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:52,040
Speaker 1: this is a bad idea, is you know every other

1762
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:56,240
Speaker 1: one is worse? And and maybe that's so all right?

1763
01:30:56,280 --> 01:31:02,320
Speaker 1: Next question, this comes from a t N. He says, Hey, Chuck,

1764
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:04,760
Speaker 1: I'm at ten and I'm a longtime Canadian fan here

1765
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:07,439
Speaker 1: all right, thank you, got a lot of Canadian pen pals.

1766
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:10,680
Speaker 1: I love you guys from the suburbs of Montreal and

1767
01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:14,080
Speaker 1: Leah spo fan. I hope. My question is kind of simple.

1768
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:15,559
Speaker 1: Do you think all of the maneuvers Trump is doing

1769
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:18,599
Speaker 1: about the mail and vote registration and identification hurdles he's

1770
01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:20,519
Speaker 1: trying to put in place are a tactic to be

1771
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:22,680
Speaker 1: able to contest or even not recognize the results of

1772
01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:25,240
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty six midterms. Thanks a lot, ps. I

1773
01:31:25,240 --> 01:31:26,960
Speaker 1: cannot become a fan of the Nationals as they were

1774
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:29,680
Speaker 1: stolen from US. I totally understand that, but just so

1775
01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:33,680
Speaker 1: you know, I have become a Montreal expos collector of

1776
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:38,760
Speaker 1: sorts as a way of my homage to the Nationals.

1777
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:43,240
Speaker 1: It kind of helps that the Expos team of both

1778
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:46,160
Speaker 1: eighty one and ninety four are very familiar to me.

1779
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:49,920
Speaker 1: I was a Dodger fan back in the day, and

1780
01:31:50,040 --> 01:31:53,000
Speaker 1: particularly the eighty one team the Dodgers. The biggest hurdle

1781
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:55,160
Speaker 1: the Dodgers face before facing the Yankees in the World

1782
01:31:55,200 --> 01:31:58,800
Speaker 1: Series was that tremendous expot the second best Expo team

1783
01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:01,759
Speaker 1: of all times, one being of course, the nineteen ninety fourteen.

1784
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:06,880
Speaker 1: So I get it. You should know in our Ring

1785
01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:11,280
Speaker 1: of Honor in Nationals Park, all of the exposed Hall

1786
01:32:11,320 --> 01:32:16,439
Speaker 1: of Famers are in there. Gary Carter, Tim Rains, Andre Dawson.

1787
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:21,240
Speaker 1: So I will give the Nationals credit. They do do try,

1788
01:32:21,320 --> 01:32:23,920
Speaker 1: even though I think the original owner of the Expos

1789
01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:26,240
Speaker 1: who screwed it up, got handed the Marlins, which I

1790
01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:29,200
Speaker 1: always felt as some sort of personal affront to me. Right,

1791
01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:31,960
Speaker 1: I took it very personally the jeweler. The jeweler who

1792
01:32:31,960 --> 01:32:33,920
Speaker 1: screwed up the Expos then came down to the Marlins

1793
01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:35,640
Speaker 1: and somehow messed it up even more and got a

1794
01:32:35,640 --> 01:32:39,360
Speaker 1: free baseball team to boot. But I digress. Let me

1795
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:43,440
Speaker 1: get to your basic your question here. It's an interesting thesis.

1796
01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:46,640
Speaker 1: You know, what does he does he need all of

1797
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:50,760
Speaker 1: this to contest the results of election, right, I think

1798
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:52,839
Speaker 1: if he doesn't like the results, he's going to contest

1799
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:56,519
Speaker 1: it regardless of this. Now, let me get to the

1800
01:32:56,560 --> 01:33:00,720
Speaker 1: specifics of what he's trying to do. If I the Democrats,

1801
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:05,800
Speaker 1: I'd agree to do this. And here's why the Democratic

1802
01:33:05,920 --> 01:33:10,880
Speaker 1: Party right now, it's voters follow all the rules, know

1803
01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:13,559
Speaker 1: all the rules, are aware of what you need to vote.

1804
01:33:13,960 --> 01:33:15,799
Speaker 1: They're the ones that show up in every special election.

1805
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:19,960
Speaker 1: Why do Democrats continue to overperform in any special election,

1806
01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:22,479
Speaker 1: whether it's in the suburbs of Orlando, the suburbs of

1807
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:26,839
Speaker 1: Des Moines, you name it, right, they're overperforming everywhere because

1808
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:31,639
Speaker 1: the suburban sort of super voter has gone from leaning

1809
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:35,439
Speaker 1: right to leaning left. They're not all registered Democrats, that

1810
01:33:35,479 --> 01:33:37,720
Speaker 1: a lot of them move from being registered Republicans who

1811
01:33:37,720 --> 01:33:40,960
Speaker 1: registered independent. But it is why this suburban vote and

1812
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:43,280
Speaker 1: why in the midterms in particular, Democrats now have a

1813
01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:49,960
Speaker 1: built in advantage the folks who don't necessarily follow the

1814
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:52,960
Speaker 1: specifics of voting all the time, the non super voters

1815
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:55,720
Speaker 1: are more likely to support Trump. And so if you

1816
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:58,400
Speaker 1: did voter ID laws, I think it's more Trump voters

1817
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:00,519
Speaker 1: would end up not being Quali fi to get to

1818
01:34:00,600 --> 01:34:03,040
Speaker 1: the polls, you get rid of mail in balloting, and

1819
01:34:03,080 --> 01:34:06,120
Speaker 1: you do early in person, it's more likely the casual

1820
01:34:06,240 --> 01:34:09,639
Speaker 1: voter is a Trump voter. The casual voter leans right

1821
01:34:09,680 --> 01:34:13,400
Speaker 1: these days. So the more impediments you put into voting

1822
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:17,800
Speaker 1: ten years ago that was going to hurt the Democrats,

1823
01:34:18,240 --> 01:34:22,200
Speaker 1: now it's going to hurt the Republicans. So if you

1824
01:34:22,240 --> 01:34:26,840
Speaker 1: want to totally play game theory here, I believe it

1825
01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:29,200
Speaker 1: was Matthew Iglesias in the last week did a really

1826
01:34:29,200 --> 01:34:31,880
Speaker 1: good dive on this where he said, you know, if

1827
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:37,200
Speaker 1: Democrats get the House, this should be that in exchange

1828
01:34:37,240 --> 01:34:41,640
Speaker 1: for basically funding early more early in person voting that

1829
01:34:41,800 --> 01:34:46,599
Speaker 1: Democrats ought to make, the compromise voter id and getting

1830
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:48,759
Speaker 1: rid of mail in voting for everybody except the military.

1831
01:34:49,640 --> 01:34:53,200
Speaker 1: Because all of it, all of these, if you look

1832
01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:57,720
Speaker 1: at the demographics of each party, all of these impediments

1833
01:34:57,760 --> 01:35:03,320
Speaker 1: that Trump wants to introduce are going to impact Republicans

1834
01:35:03,439 --> 01:35:06,400
Speaker 1: a lot more these days than it impacts Democrats. Just

1835
01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:10,160
Speaker 1: something that you want. I am not Tony Korneiser's who.

1836
01:35:10,200 --> 01:35:12,599
Speaker 1: I do not have my maple leaf flag, but maybe

1837
01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:16,200
Speaker 1: I ought to acquire one from my Canadian friends. So anyway,

1838
01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:19,840
Speaker 1: I hope you will at least not be in a

1839
01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:23,759
Speaker 1: NAT's hater by the way, all right, next question comes

1840
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:26,760
Speaker 1: from John in New Jersey. Just a quick question in

1841
01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:29,560
Speaker 1: comment Your substeck this week feels spot on regarding Democrats

1842
01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:32,360
Speaker 1: fighting for something, but also feels a little in conflict

1843
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:35,679
Speaker 1: with your perspective on dem state Texas state legislatures fleeing

1844
01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:37,800
Speaker 1: the special session last month. Is there a line for

1845
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:40,040
Speaker 1: you where fighting will always be the wrong move? Maybe

1846
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:42,719
Speaker 1: these are not conflicting opinions at all. Thanks again for everything.

1847
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:44,120
Speaker 1: Let's go mets.

1848
01:35:46,720 --> 01:35:46,760
Speaker 4: It.

1849
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:51,680
Speaker 1: Look, it's the question is you know if you're going

1850
01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:55,200
Speaker 1: to pro You know, most protests fail in the moment,

1851
01:35:56,240 --> 01:36:00,000
Speaker 1: but a protest movement that fails in the moment builds

1852
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:03,559
Speaker 1: support and can succeed in the long term. Right, So

1853
01:36:04,439 --> 01:36:06,759
Speaker 1: it just it's all about do you have an endgame

1854
01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:10,000
Speaker 1: and do you have an exit strategy? I think I

1855
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:13,360
Speaker 1: think what Texas Democrats did was within the To me,

1856
01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:16,320
Speaker 1: I had no issue with what they did. If you

1857
01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:18,640
Speaker 1: actually saw it, I thought what they were doing was

1858
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:21,800
Speaker 1: within that's what you should be doing. Hey, we're gonna

1859
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:24,960
Speaker 1: deny a quorum, Okay, they said fine, we're gonna get

1860
01:36:25,160 --> 01:36:27,720
Speaker 1: They were looking to see were there any Republicans that

1861
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:30,200
Speaker 1: were going to be saying, you know what, maybe they're right,

1862
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:34,000
Speaker 1: So it was it was worth trying to see. So

1863
01:36:34,120 --> 01:36:35,960
Speaker 1: I was never critical of what they were doing. My

1864
01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:40,680
Speaker 1: criticism is for essentially is going to other states and

1865
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:44,519
Speaker 1: disenfranchising voters there in the name of competing with Texas.

1866
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:48,760
Speaker 1: Who's disenfranchising voters there? Right, That's that's what I'm I

1867
01:36:49,080 --> 01:36:52,519
Speaker 1: think it's it's more of the principle. But you know,

1868
01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:55,360
Speaker 1: to me, I actually think the Texas Democrats sort of

1869
01:36:55,960 --> 01:36:58,280
Speaker 1: they did what they did it they denied the quorum

1870
01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:00,200
Speaker 1: and left, and I think it was it was all

1871
01:37:00,200 --> 01:37:03,640
Speaker 1: about testing the will of them of the right. We

1872
01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:06,400
Speaker 1: you know, we had all heard the whispers you're gonna

1873
01:37:06,439 --> 01:37:09,400
Speaker 1: and if you just listened to the conversation, hopefully you

1874
01:37:09,479 --> 01:37:12,040
Speaker 1: just heard the conversation with Jake and Anna where Jake

1875
01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:16,479
Speaker 1: spoke of an anonymous Texas Republican who said, I just

1876
01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:18,360
Speaker 1: got to know this district. Now you're making me learn

1877
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:22,080
Speaker 1: another one. There were no Republicans that wanted this in

1878
01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:26,240
Speaker 1: Texas except I don't think there was any Textan that

1879
01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:28,559
Speaker 1: wanted it. Was Donald Trump and nobody wants to say

1880
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:32,880
Speaker 1: no to Trump. So I think, what they did. You

1881
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:36,280
Speaker 1: leave the state and you basically see, you know, if

1882
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:39,200
Speaker 1: we kill one special session, will they you know, will

1883
01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:42,000
Speaker 1: they concede? And the answer was no. They called another one,

1884
01:37:42,160 --> 01:37:45,000
Speaker 1: will they fold? The answer was no. So at some point,

1885
01:37:45,200 --> 01:37:48,400
Speaker 1: you know, and what And I would argue that actually

1886
01:37:48,479 --> 01:37:52,439
Speaker 1: what the Texas Democratic legislatures did was successful in this respect.

1887
01:37:52,760 --> 01:37:57,360
Speaker 1: They got national attention, It brought into focus this issue. Now,

1888
01:37:57,640 --> 01:38:05,280
Speaker 1: it may have triggered this nationwide redistricting war, but ultimately

1889
01:38:05,560 --> 01:38:08,400
Speaker 1: it gave Democrats something to fight for for the first time,

1890
01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:10,840
Speaker 1: and they are fighting and I and to me, it's

1891
01:38:11,439 --> 01:38:16,400
Speaker 1: that response that I see happening with Newsome that makes

1892
01:38:16,439 --> 01:38:18,960
Speaker 1: me think that look and again, when you're arguing over

1893
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:24,840
Speaker 1: our budget, you know, you know, we've I don't know

1894
01:38:24,840 --> 01:38:27,479
Speaker 1: if you've ever bought a car, but the most the

1895
01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:32,200
Speaker 1: greatest feeling I've ever had is walking away from a purchase. Right.

1896
01:38:32,360 --> 01:38:33,759
Speaker 1: I've done it only once.

1897
01:38:34,360 --> 01:38:34,559
Speaker 3: Right.

1898
01:38:34,720 --> 01:38:36,960
Speaker 1: Most of the time when I've gone to buy a car,

1899
01:38:37,439 --> 01:38:39,200
Speaker 1: I knew what I wanted, I kind of knew the

1900
01:38:39,200 --> 01:38:40,680
Speaker 1: price range. I'm like, if they just hit this, And

1901
01:38:40,720 --> 01:38:43,800
Speaker 1: I've never had an issue but one time I ran

1902
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:47,320
Speaker 1: into an issue and I thought, no, they're playing games.

1903
01:38:47,320 --> 01:38:50,240
Speaker 1: I'm out, And sure enough it worked. I literally had

1904
01:38:50,280 --> 01:38:52,360
Speaker 1: to leave and it wasn't until the next day that

1905
01:38:52,400 --> 01:38:55,040
Speaker 1: they called. But I was like, vindication is mine. I

1906
01:38:55,040 --> 01:38:59,040
Speaker 1: did my own little you know, Chevrolet shutdown. It was

1907
01:38:59,080 --> 01:39:01,960
Speaker 1: for a cheval I'm not going to say the dealership

1908
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:04,640
Speaker 1: because I actually like the dealership that I deal with

1909
01:39:04,680 --> 01:39:09,640
Speaker 1: over there. So it is empowering, but it's a to

1910
01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:12,719
Speaker 1: me legitimate It's a legitimate moment when you're doing dealing

1911
01:39:12,720 --> 01:39:15,200
Speaker 1: with the budget and spending and all of that. To

1912
01:39:15,400 --> 01:39:18,080
Speaker 1: not agree to the deal, right, you've got skin in

1913
01:39:18,160 --> 01:39:21,880
Speaker 1: the game. So but what I do think that Democrats

1914
01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:24,320
Speaker 1: have to do is know what your exit strategy is.

1915
01:39:25,640 --> 01:39:28,240
Speaker 1: What are you willing, what are you fighting for? Have

1916
01:39:28,280 --> 01:39:30,320
Speaker 1: a specific goal in mind, And that's what I was

1917
01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:33,040
Speaker 1: laying out. If you're going to do this, is it

1918
01:39:33,080 --> 01:39:34,640
Speaker 1: for oba? You know what will bring you to the

1919
01:39:34,680 --> 01:39:39,040
Speaker 1: table Obamacare subsidies. I ultimately think that's a pretty good

1920
01:39:39,080 --> 01:39:42,160
Speaker 1: thing to fight for. Healthcare is the better the best

1921
01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:45,280
Speaker 1: issue democrat. Democrats have proven to be better about fighting

1922
01:39:45,280 --> 01:39:47,400
Speaker 1: for that issue than any other over the last decade

1923
01:39:47,439 --> 01:39:51,040
Speaker 1: and voters are moved by it, so that would be something.

1924
01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:54,240
Speaker 1: Is it for demanding a vote on the tariffs? That's

1925
01:39:54,280 --> 01:39:56,840
Speaker 1: something to do, right, you know, But but have a

1926
01:39:56,880 --> 01:40:01,439
Speaker 1: demand that is semi realistic to be met so that

1927
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Speaker 1: you have an exit strategy and then when it's not

1928
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Speaker 1: met you you can come across as the reasonable one.

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Speaker 1: Right there, the Republican deal is likely to be fully clean,

1930
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Speaker 1: you know, continuing resolution. Is it really going to be

1931
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Speaker 1: fully clean? Right? That's going to be one test. But

1932
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Speaker 1: that's how they're going to try to have the high ground.

1933
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Speaker 1: So you know it is I think it's a legitimate

1934
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Speaker 1: moment to do this, but you better know you better

1935
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Speaker 1: have a clear vision of why you're doing it and

1936
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Speaker 1: a clear explanation to the voters for why you're doing it.

1937
01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:39,639
Speaker 1: And if you know, we know it's because you don't

1938
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:44,200
Speaker 1: trust Trump with spending, that's fine, but be specific on

1939
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Speaker 1: what you're looking for, Like, look, we don't trust them,

1940
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Speaker 1: but can we at least get the Obama tax credits here?

1941
01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:52,160
Speaker 1: Because guess who also wants that. There's quite a few

1942
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Speaker 1: Republican senators who don't like the Medicaid cuts who would

1943
01:40:54,720 --> 01:40:57,960
Speaker 1: like to throw a bone at their constituents and then

1944
01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:00,760
Speaker 1: not also take away the subsidies on Obama Care. So,

1945
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Speaker 1: you know, I actually think it's a reasonable thing to do.

1946
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Speaker 1: And at this point you might as well get on

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Speaker 1: the side of being getting credit for that rather than

1948
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Speaker 1: have Republicans do it and Trump tries to take credit

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Speaker 1: for it, which he's very good at doing.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: Next question comes from an anonymous person from Granite Falls,

1952
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Speaker 1: North Carolina, but he's not too anonymous because he starts

1953
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Speaker 1: with La Chiesai. And for those of you that know,

1954
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Speaker 1: you know, I appreciate it. I hope you heard my

1955
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Speaker 1: picks this week on Tony I listened to your podcasts

1956
01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:36,759
Speaker 1: and many other political and business podcasts. Why doesn't anyone

1957
01:41:36,760 --> 01:41:39,840
Speaker 1: mention that President Trump was found to have fraudulently filled

1958
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Speaker 1: out loan documents in a civil case. That such a

1959
01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:45,800
Speaker 1: good point. There's always a Trump issue, let alone a

1960
01:41:45,800 --> 01:41:48,960
Speaker 1: Trump tweet. Right. The Lisa Cook issues is all about

1961
01:41:49,240 --> 01:41:51,600
Speaker 1: filling out loan documents. If she can't be trusted to

1962
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:54,280
Speaker 1: a fed governor ship, why should the president be trusted

1963
01:41:54,280 --> 01:41:59,320
Speaker 1: to be the president? You know? It's it all goes

1964
01:41:59,320 --> 01:42:02,280
Speaker 1: back to the orige campaign against Donald Trump that Democrats,

1965
01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:05,760
Speaker 1: you know, look, yes, you're right about all of this,

1966
01:42:06,280 --> 01:42:09,080
Speaker 1: and there are so there is such a laundry list

1967
01:42:09,439 --> 01:42:14,040
Speaker 1: of terrible business practices and terrible character traits that Trump

1968
01:42:14,040 --> 01:42:19,639
Speaker 1: has accumulated over four decades that you know how often

1969
01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:23,080
Speaker 1: Republicans that ran against him in twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen,

1970
01:42:23,920 --> 01:42:27,120
Speaker 1: and how often Democrats and Hillary Clinton who ran against

1971
01:42:27,200 --> 01:42:29,240
Speaker 1: him in twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen. You know how

1972
01:42:29,280 --> 01:42:36,280
Speaker 1: often they did that campaign against him? It was practically nothing, okay,

1973
01:42:37,320 --> 01:42:40,519
Speaker 1: And I remember it being and this was the biggest

1974
01:42:41,720 --> 01:42:44,959
Speaker 1: mistake that everybody made. There was an assumption that everybody

1975
01:42:45,080 --> 01:42:48,320
Speaker 1: knew the bad stuff about Trump, that because you knew Trump,

1976
01:42:48,360 --> 01:42:51,200
Speaker 1: that you knew at all the good and the bad.

1977
01:42:52,920 --> 01:42:55,400
Speaker 1: And I think there was a presumption I can tell

1978
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Speaker 1: you this, I had a presumption. I'll just speak for

1979
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Speaker 1: myself that I'm like, well, we all know this guy's

1980
01:43:01,520 --> 01:43:03,640
Speaker 1: like always full of shit in New York, right, Like

1981
01:43:03,720 --> 01:43:07,360
Speaker 1: nobody thinks he's a real developer. You know, it's always

1982
01:43:07,360 --> 01:43:11,479
Speaker 1: sort of a phony thing. This like Trump branded stuff

1983
01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:13,800
Speaker 1: is always phony. Everybody gets it right, that this is

1984
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Speaker 1: all a grift, that it's all sort of you know,

1985
01:43:15,960 --> 01:43:19,160
Speaker 1: a show that it isn't there's really no substance that

1986
01:43:19,320 --> 01:43:22,360
Speaker 1: there's really no Trump business beyond owning that building, that

1987
01:43:22,400 --> 01:43:25,720
Speaker 1: there was no there there, that his golf courses were

1988
01:43:25,800 --> 01:43:29,960
Speaker 1: all leveraged and everything was leveraged, and it was a

1989
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:32,479
Speaker 1: lot more of oh PM, other people's money that he

1990
01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:34,880
Speaker 1: leased his name to buildings. He wasn't even an owner

1991
01:43:34,920 --> 01:43:37,840
Speaker 1: of these properties. He was just he was just licensing

1992
01:43:37,880 --> 01:43:41,960
Speaker 1: his brand. But nobody did, you know when you think

1993
01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:45,599
Speaker 1: about the campaign against Mett Romney, which took every business

1994
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Speaker 1: deal he ever did at Bain and educated the public

1995
01:43:49,880 --> 01:43:56,800
Speaker 1: with it and made direct comparisons right now because most

1996
01:43:57,439 --> 01:44:00,839
Speaker 1: because political opponents of Romney, both on the publican primary

1997
01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:03,280
Speaker 1: and in the Democratic side, we're like, hey, I don't

1998
01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:05,400
Speaker 1: think the voters know this, or they want to educate

1999
01:44:05,400 --> 01:44:08,479
Speaker 1: the voters and see if they really want this sort

2000
01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:11,160
Speaker 1: of very you know, this businessman in charge of the government,

2001
01:44:12,520 --> 01:44:16,680
Speaker 1: that bill. That campaign was never run against Trump, right,

2002
01:44:16,760 --> 01:44:19,280
Speaker 1: Jeb Bush spent more money trying to damage Marco Rubio

2003
01:44:19,479 --> 01:44:26,120
Speaker 1: than he did Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton kept doing

2004
01:44:26,120 --> 01:44:29,559
Speaker 1: the character things, kept going to the Russia thing rather

2005
01:44:29,640 --> 01:44:33,640
Speaker 1: than frankly, if you did the methodical f you just

2006
01:44:33,840 --> 01:44:37,839
Speaker 1: did the bankruptcies, and you just did the financial funny business,

2007
01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:41,599
Speaker 1: and you just did the grift that early on as

2008
01:44:41,680 --> 01:44:44,040
Speaker 1: sort of you may think, you know Donald Trump and

2009
01:44:44,120 --> 01:44:46,080
Speaker 1: he's a fun guy, and this and this. Did you

2010
01:44:46,200 --> 01:44:49,479
Speaker 1: know they never did that? And now it is too late.

2011
01:44:50,479 --> 01:44:53,640
Speaker 1: Now it's all baked in. Now you know, now he

2012
01:44:53,720 --> 01:44:56,439
Speaker 1: actually is wealthy. He wasn't a real billionaire. Now he

2013
01:44:56,560 --> 01:45:00,479
Speaker 1: is on paper thanks to these bitcoin scams he's gotten

2014
01:45:00,520 --> 01:45:04,240
Speaker 1: himself involved in. It's you know, by the way, I mean,

2015
01:45:04,280 --> 01:45:06,760
Speaker 1: I think we've all learned apparently, if you're just a

2016
01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:11,080
Speaker 1: criminal and plain sight, no one cares. Right, the cover

2017
01:45:11,200 --> 01:45:13,320
Speaker 1: up is the it we you know, it always is.

2018
01:45:13,479 --> 01:45:15,120
Speaker 1: The cover up is worse than a crime. Forget it.

2019
01:45:15,439 --> 01:45:18,559
Speaker 1: The cover up is the only crime that we seem

2020
01:45:18,680 --> 01:45:23,800
Speaker 1: to you know, we're all always outraged about cover ups, Right,

2021
01:45:24,120 --> 01:45:27,960
Speaker 1: what's everybody's upset about the cover up of the Epstein files.

2022
01:45:29,800 --> 01:45:34,880
Speaker 1: But he's been accused of sexual assault and has actually

2023
01:45:34,880 --> 01:45:39,960
Speaker 1: been held liable in a civil court. But that's out

2024
01:45:39,960 --> 01:45:46,360
Speaker 1: in public. That's not covered up. It's so you're right

2025
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Speaker 1: about the least of the comparisons, Like, let's look at

2026
01:45:50,720 --> 01:45:53,760
Speaker 1: all the mortgage loans that Donald Trump and all the artificial.

2027
01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:56,640
Speaker 1: I mean, one of the one of the ways that

2028
01:45:56,680 --> 01:46:00,679
Speaker 1: they were trying to uh that they can did Trump

2029
01:46:01,400 --> 01:46:05,200
Speaker 1: was over the falsification of loan documents in New York.

2030
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Speaker 1: That was that was sort of the angle that Letitia

2031
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:11,760
Speaker 1: James took. And look, you go through these LLCs that

2032
01:46:11,800 --> 01:46:14,439
Speaker 1: he creates for every golf course he acquires, and I

2033
01:46:14,560 --> 01:46:18,120
Speaker 1: promise you look at those loan documents and the assessments

2034
01:46:18,240 --> 01:46:22,479
Speaker 1: that they you know, the the they somehow, you know,

2035
01:46:22,560 --> 01:46:25,680
Speaker 1: he very cleverly always seems to get sort of two

2036
01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:29,439
Speaker 1: different inspections. One that lowers the price so he pays

2037
01:46:29,439 --> 01:46:32,880
Speaker 1: low property taxes, and then one that overvalues the price

2038
01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:34,800
Speaker 1: so we can borrow extra money on the on the

2039
01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:37,760
Speaker 1: equity line and use that over there. You know, you're

2040
01:46:37,800 --> 01:46:41,680
Speaker 1: going to tell me that that that those forms that

2041
01:46:41,840 --> 01:46:44,120
Speaker 1: the same. He's filed two sets of forms with two

2042
01:46:44,160 --> 01:46:47,599
Speaker 1: sets of values, all are in government documents that would

2043
01:46:47,640 --> 01:46:50,640
Speaker 1: all be loan you know, mortgage fraud. We already went

2044
01:46:50,680 --> 01:46:53,080
Speaker 1: down that road with him. But anyway, again, I go

2045
01:46:53,200 --> 01:46:58,800
Speaker 1: back to the original sin on Trump was not was

2046
01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:03,920
Speaker 1: was was assuming everybody knew everything about him, and that

2047
01:47:04,120 --> 01:47:07,639
Speaker 1: was I think the original set all right, next question

2048
01:47:07,680 --> 01:47:11,160
Speaker 1: comes from pure Illinois. Back in the day, he used

2049
01:47:11,160 --> 01:47:13,240
Speaker 1: to be how's it played in Peoria? That was the

2050
01:47:13,760 --> 01:47:16,400
Speaker 1: I think that was an LBJ. What LBJ care about? Ever?

2051
01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:19,160
Speaker 1: Dirkson people like that. But anyway, let's go here. I'm

2052
01:47:19,160 --> 01:47:22,200
Speaker 1: a number five. I think I might do it. We

2053
01:47:22,280 --> 01:47:24,200
Speaker 1: might get eight and a half hour. We shall see

2054
01:47:26,080 --> 01:47:27,639
Speaker 1: Greg W from Pure Illinois.

2055
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Speaker 2: Hey check.

2056
01:47:28,040 --> 01:47:30,000
Speaker 1: My question focus is on redistricting. I agree it's short

2057
01:47:30,040 --> 01:47:32,000
Speaker 1: sighted to fight fire with fire. So how long and

2058
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:33,960
Speaker 1: difficult would it be for the DNC to find viable

2059
01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:35,640
Speaker 1: candidates and build the support in the groundwork in the

2060
01:47:35,640 --> 01:47:38,280
Speaker 1: weaker red districts, especially since the DNC has spent two

2061
01:47:38,320 --> 01:47:41,639
Speaker 1: years deinvesting in red states. Thank you for also giving

2062
01:47:42,240 --> 01:47:44,320
Speaker 1: something for my son and I to listen to and

2063
01:47:44,360 --> 01:47:47,720
Speaker 1: talk about sports and politics. There you go. I'm by

2064
01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:50,479
Speaker 1: the way. I'm slowly. My son list loves to talk

2065
01:47:50,520 --> 01:47:54,400
Speaker 1: about sports. He's slowly but surely getting more interested in politics.

2066
01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:56,760
Speaker 1: But I understand why he's It's, you know, when you

2067
01:47:56,760 --> 01:48:00,519
Speaker 1: grow up in a political towns, it's sometimes want distraction.

2068
01:48:00,760 --> 01:48:02,519
Speaker 1: So we spend a lot more time talking about sports.

2069
01:48:02,560 --> 01:48:04,639
Speaker 1: But my son did text me over the weekend going, hey,

2070
01:48:04,680 --> 01:48:06,559
Speaker 1: what's going on with Trump? Is he dead or alive?

2071
01:48:07,439 --> 01:48:12,960
Speaker 1: Which tells you what what his feed was feeding him there.

2072
01:48:15,120 --> 01:48:22,000
Speaker 1: You know, I think this is where I think the

2073
01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:27,040
Speaker 1: the attention that the state House Democrats gave to the

2074
01:48:27,080 --> 01:48:31,800
Speaker 1: issue in theory should help with candidate recruiting. But you've

2075
01:48:31,800 --> 01:48:35,280
Speaker 1: got to you know, you know, I'm curious if the

2076
01:48:35,360 --> 01:48:37,400
Speaker 1: DNC or the d Triple C we're serious about this,

2077
01:48:37,439 --> 01:48:40,840
Speaker 1: they'd say, you know, they'd start a fund, right, which

2078
01:48:40,880 --> 01:48:44,320
Speaker 1: is like you know, the Dummy mand or fund or something,

2079
01:48:44,320 --> 01:48:47,080
Speaker 1: and like we're we're you know, looking for and they

2080
01:48:47,120 --> 01:48:49,000
Speaker 1: are trying to recruit. But I almost would put a

2081
01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:51,640
Speaker 1: knee on sign up and say, you know, do you

2082
01:48:51,680 --> 01:48:54,720
Speaker 1: not like this? Are you an independent voter that's frustrated

2083
01:48:54,720 --> 01:48:56,960
Speaker 1: by this? You know, we're looking for candidates to run

2084
01:48:57,000 --> 01:48:58,599
Speaker 1: in these states and we'll support your bid whether you're

2085
01:48:58,600 --> 01:49:03,360
Speaker 1: an independent Democrat whatever, and even run on the platform that, hey,

2086
01:49:03,360 --> 01:49:05,040
Speaker 1: if we get control of Congress, we're going to want

2087
01:49:05,040 --> 01:49:07,960
Speaker 1: to put limits on redistricting. And by the way, maybe

2088
01:49:07,960 --> 01:49:09,880
Speaker 1: you make it this this goes you know, you have

2089
01:49:09,920 --> 01:49:14,800
Speaker 1: a more realistic political and voting reform bill that you

2090
01:49:14,840 --> 01:49:16,760
Speaker 1: try to get bipartisans support for and you get rid

2091
01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:19,479
Speaker 1: of mail in voting for Trump. Uh, and you add

2092
01:49:19,560 --> 01:49:21,800
Speaker 1: voter ID in and at the same time you put

2093
01:49:21,800 --> 01:49:25,840
Speaker 1: a a restriction of any state you know, not being

2094
01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:28,240
Speaker 1: able to you know, without a federal court order having

2095
01:49:28,240 --> 01:49:32,000
Speaker 1: a redistrict or something like that. But they ought to

2096
01:49:32,160 --> 01:49:36,240
Speaker 1: have a have a Texas fund to look for candidates,

2097
01:49:36,600 --> 01:49:40,560
Speaker 1: you know, just like if I were the Republicans in California,

2098
01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:43,000
Speaker 1: a California fund right now. They're spending the money to

2099
01:49:43,040 --> 01:49:45,360
Speaker 1: try to stop it. But if they don't, you know,

2100
01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:47,839
Speaker 1: then they only have you know, the trick for the Republicans,

2101
01:49:47,840 --> 01:49:50,439
Speaker 1: they only have like a week a couple of weeks

2102
01:49:50,640 --> 01:49:53,920
Speaker 1: before filing deadline hits in California to do that versus

2103
01:49:54,479 --> 01:49:56,880
Speaker 1: and in Texas the same thing to wait. You know,

2104
01:49:58,640 --> 01:50:00,519
Speaker 1: they ought to start looking for it right now. It

2105
01:50:00,600 --> 01:50:04,880
Speaker 1: might be a little late. But you know what's funny

2106
01:50:04,920 --> 01:50:07,200
Speaker 1: is the best candidates for Democrats to be recruiting are

2107
01:50:07,200 --> 01:50:09,759
Speaker 1: people that have never run before. So in some ways

2108
01:50:10,439 --> 01:50:12,519
Speaker 1: it's the new that they should be looking for. I'd

2109
01:50:12,520 --> 01:50:15,880
Speaker 1: be looking for military veterans if I were them. But

2110
01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:19,800
Speaker 1: is it possible. Look, if you're willing to invest, it's

2111
01:50:19,800 --> 01:50:23,599
Speaker 1: always possible, you know, maybe that's the world Beto Rourke

2112
01:50:23,640 --> 01:50:26,160
Speaker 1: plays if he doesn't run for any office himself, where

2113
01:50:26,200 --> 01:50:28,920
Speaker 1: he becomes sort of the rain maker to try to

2114
01:50:29,000 --> 01:50:36,200
Speaker 1: raise money, raise awareness, and recruit candidates. Next question comes

2115
01:50:36,240 --> 01:50:43,760
Speaker 1: from Angela from Moreo, Louisiana. She says she's Angel Hope

2116
01:50:43,760 --> 01:50:46,200
Speaker 1: on Substacked. Good to know, Hey, Chuck, I just stumbled

2117
01:50:46,200 --> 01:50:48,519
Speaker 1: on the idea that Texas redistricting could backfire into a

2118
01:50:48,600 --> 01:50:51,840
Speaker 1: dummy mandering snapfoo, potentially putting up to ten districts in play.

2119
01:50:51,880 --> 01:50:54,439
Speaker 1: It's fascinating ripple effect. And I'm curious how this dynamic

2120
01:50:54,520 --> 01:50:56,479
Speaker 1: play is not just in Texas but also in California

2121
01:50:56,479 --> 01:50:59,240
Speaker 1: in other states considering mid decade redistricting as a way

2122
01:50:59,280 --> 01:51:01,800
Speaker 1: to fight fire with fire. Could Democrats be walking into

2123
01:51:01,840 --> 01:51:03,720
Speaker 1: the same trap? And does an endlist hit for tet

2124
01:51:03,800 --> 01:51:06,759
Speaker 1: ultimately even the score? And how did mid decade redistricting

2125
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:08,920
Speaker 1: even become normalized? Wasn't it supposed to be tied to

2126
01:51:08,920 --> 01:51:11,599
Speaker 1: the census. Thanks for keeping the analysis sharp. I'd love

2127
01:51:11,680 --> 01:51:13,880
Speaker 1: to hear your take on this. Well. Look, I mean

2128
01:51:13,920 --> 01:51:16,479
Speaker 1: we got to this point because and it was really

2129
01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:19,120
Speaker 1: Texas has pioneered this, right, it was Texas did a

2130
01:51:19,160 --> 01:51:22,720
Speaker 1: mid redistricting map. Tom Delay back in the day, but

2131
01:51:22,840 --> 01:51:24,400
Speaker 1: twenty years ago did this. I think it was in

2132
01:51:24,400 --> 01:51:26,920
Speaker 1: two thousand and three, the first time we had sort

2133
01:51:26,920 --> 01:51:29,120
Speaker 1: of a mid map redistricting. It was a big fight.

2134
01:51:29,520 --> 01:51:31,439
Speaker 1: I think that was something you know, back then, it

2135
01:51:32,160 --> 01:51:34,639
Speaker 1: was the same thing and what you what you have,

2136
01:51:35,120 --> 01:51:37,599
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny and in the twenty ten census

2137
01:51:37,640 --> 01:51:40,360
Speaker 1: and the reapportionment after twenty ten is a perfect example.

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Speaker 1: So the Republicans controlled the twenty you know, twenty eleven reapportionment.

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Speaker 1: Other than that, you had the Obama Justice Department certainly,

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Speaker 1: you know, in charge of the voting rights. It was

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Speaker 1: the first time there was a Democratic Justice department overseeing

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Speaker 1: reipportionment in some thirty years, because they in two thousand

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Speaker 1: and one it was the Bush Justice Department. In nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety one, it was the other Bush Justice Department. Nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty one, it was the Reagan Justice Department. In nineteen

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Speaker 1: seventy one, it was the Nixon Justice Department. So it

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Speaker 1: wasn't in you know, it was nineteen fifty one, sixty one,

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Speaker 1: and we didn't have a voting rights ack then, right,

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Speaker 1: this is the first one. So this was the first

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Speaker 1: time a Democrat in the era of the voting rights

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Speaker 1: ack that was passing sixty five was sort of overseeing

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Speaker 1: reapportion but for most of the inside the states, it

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Speaker 1: was mostly Republicans that were in charge of the map,

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Speaker 1: and they had a big advantage right the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: ten you know, and they were able to protect that

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Speaker 1: and got their House reelected in twenty twelve, got some

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Speaker 1: seats that they lost in twelve, got a back in fourteen.

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Speaker 1: But what happened in that sense in the media, you know,

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Speaker 1: by twenty eighteen, you know, the suburban districts became less Republican.

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Speaker 1: Trump sort of the light bush Republicans became less Republican.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, so that you know, every reapportionment eventually,

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Speaker 1: you know, you grow out of what you think that

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Speaker 1: the the D versus are breakdown's going to be. It's

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Speaker 1: always interesting to me if you look at the if

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Speaker 1: you look at sort of the last house, you know,

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Speaker 1: mid term before, if you ever look at the last

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Speaker 1: midterm before the next reapportionment, you know, and how different

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Speaker 1: it is from the first mid term after the reapportionment,

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Speaker 1: you can you can really see how far off it

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Speaker 1: goes so I do think if you go down this road,

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Speaker 1: what it really has done is there's only going to

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Speaker 1: be say thirty seats that are with that where the

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Speaker 1: where the majority party has fifty five percent or less.

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Speaker 1: Back in my old hotline days, that the number the

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Speaker 1: agreed upon numbers. Any in any member of Congress that

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Speaker 1: got fifty five percent or less automatically got put on

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Speaker 1: my watch list back in the day. Right, that's always

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Speaker 1: the marker I've used, fifty five percent. And then you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, and then you sort of anybody in the

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Speaker 1: fifty six fifty seven to fifty eight range, you know,

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Speaker 1: you look at it if it's you know, how consistent.

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Speaker 1: You know, how often is that district in that range? Right?

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Speaker 1: Is it a district that is fifty four to fifty

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Speaker 1: eight or is it a district that is fifty eight

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Speaker 1: to sixty two? Right? That for that party. So so

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Speaker 1: you generally look at it that way. We're going to

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Speaker 1: have fewer seats than ever that are going to be

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Speaker 1: in the fifty five and less range. Right that it'll

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Speaker 1: be five essentially where the where the largest spread is

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Speaker 1: is single digits, not double digits, between the most likely

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Speaker 1: two parties split and under that scenario, it just narrows.

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Speaker 1: It just means, you know, in some ways, we'll have more,

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Speaker 1: we'll have as many competitive Senate races as we do

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Speaker 1: House races. You know, I was just thinking about this

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Speaker 1: earlier today. With the state of Iowa. We're going to

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Speaker 1: have a competitive governor's race, a competitive Senate race, and

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Speaker 1: we now have two. They have four House seats. Two

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Speaker 1: of them are open now one is not competitive for

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Speaker 1: both parties. That one open seat will be a really

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Speaker 1: competitive Republican primary that's in the fourth. Then you'll have

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Speaker 1: the open seat of Ashley Hint and since and that'll

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Speaker 1: be very competitive because it's a pretty fifty to fifty district.

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Speaker 1: Maryanne Miller Meeks has been She's Landside Meeks right, she

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Speaker 1: never wins by more than a point or two. That

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Speaker 1: will be extraordinarily competitive. By the way, I was a

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Speaker 1: commission state. And then the third district, this is Des Moines.

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Speaker 1: The metro area is always a fifty to fifty district.

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Speaker 1: Democrats usually performed best in midterms and Republicans in that

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Speaker 1: district usually performed best in presidentials. So if there are

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Speaker 1: only say fifteen swing districts up for grabs after all

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Speaker 1: of this tit for tat reapportionment. Iowa may have twenty

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Speaker 1: percent of those competitive races, right, three of the five,

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Speaker 1: three of the fifteen. But I digress. The point is

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Speaker 1: is that, look, I think this it goes back to

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Speaker 1: an earlier answer I gave. I do think we are

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Speaker 1: somehow taking away the people from what was supposed to

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Speaker 1: be the people's House. And the irony is that the Senate,

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Speaker 1: which originally was a body that was whose members were

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Speaker 1: acted by state legislatures, well, we're now actually flipping it, right.

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Speaker 1: We are now about to have four hundred out of

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Speaker 1: four hundred thirty five House members essentially be elected by

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Speaker 1: state legislators. What do you think the founders would have

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Speaker 1: said to that? What do we think James Madison and

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Speaker 1: Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton would have said to that?

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Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense, right, So, that to me

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Speaker 1: is the absurdity of where this has gone, which is

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Speaker 1: we've literally now taken the right. The dumbest idea we

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Speaker 1: had was having state legislatures elect Washington representatives in the

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Speaker 1: first place. I know some there are I've got some

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Speaker 1: good friends who are in the who are super old

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Speaker 1: school conservative who would argue for going back to that

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Speaker 1: way of the Senate. Usually these are friends of mine

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Speaker 1: on the right side of the aisle. They have more

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Speaker 1: state legislatures. I understand why they would prefer that, but

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's very representative and it's certainly not

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Speaker 1: small d democratic. So that's to me, it's why it's

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Speaker 1: so bad. All right, that was six questions. I hit

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Speaker 1: the half hour mark, and this next question it deserves

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Speaker 1: a longer answer and I don't want to short shrift it.

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Speaker 1: So with that, Danny from Dublin, I promise you I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna answer your question on the next episode of the

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Speaker 1: Chuck Podcast. And with that until we upload again, enjoy

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Speaker 1: the weekend.