Speaker 1: Fellow conspiracy realist, we are returning with an adventure. Now
Speaker 1: often you will hear Matt and Nol and myself refer
Speaker 1: to one of us as on adventures. Turns out, on Wednesday,
Speaker 1: February nineteenth, twenty twenty five, we had quite an adventure
Speaker 1: together and we're proudly presenting it to you this evening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we hung out together at the National Sawdust in Brooklyn,
Speaker 2: New York as part of the on AirFest twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: Brooklyn.
Speaker 2: Guys, this has been called the Coachella of podcasts. Company
Speaker 2: your company, Yes, and Wired called it the future of podcasting.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: Oh, I like the latter one the best.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for that one, to be clear, not this specific
Speaker 2: show you're about to listen to, but on AirFest.
Speaker 1: On AirFest, which is a fantastic thing. I think we
Speaker 1: got a second date. We put our heads together and
Speaker 1: we started asking about the conspiracies inherent in the concept
Speaker 1: of sound and Noel, you put together a team that
Speaker 1: played live music, responding to the audience for about an
Speaker 1: hour before we even opened, with help from our friends
Speaker 1: at Force got Hey.
Speaker 5: I know, less of a team, more of a ragtag
Speaker 5: bunch of synth nerds. But yeah, my buddy Eric from
Speaker 5: the band fors Ghosts so done some production work with
Speaker 5: if you want to check out. They've got an EP
Speaker 5: out actually called Recycled Hearts that I did a remix
Speaker 5: of one of their songs on if you want to
Speaker 5: check that out, And I think we'll probably put the
Speaker 5: music stuff out eventually that we.
Speaker 3: Did for this event.
Speaker 5: But the live show itself actually also contained some fun
Speaker 5: sound design and some original music by mister Eric Kinlaw
Speaker 5: and myself as well in this cool kind of radio
Speaker 5: play that you wrote, Ben, and that we actually figured
Speaker 5: out how to perform live with live sound effects and
Speaker 5: music and surround sound and everything.
Speaker 2: With the PlayStation five controller, and I made a pretty
Speaker 2: fun little compilation of our old YouTube videos to go
Speaker 2: over top of when Nol and team were playing music.
Speaker 2: And it was a delightful thing to behold in this
Speaker 2: all red place. But you're not going to experience any
Speaker 2: of that. What you were going to hear is the
Speaker 2: moment we walked on stage as stuff they don't want
Speaker 2: you to know. To do our episode.
Speaker 5: Yes on a Conspiracy of Sound, and we talk a
Speaker 5: little bit about the science of sound and psy optics
Speaker 5: of sound along with all kinds of other things, including
Speaker 5: a fun game we played with some backwards masking messages.
Speaker 1: And we have a third act, a legendary guest at
Speaker 1: the end of the show, none other than Justin Richmond.
Speaker 3: Yeap from the Broken Record podcast.
Speaker 1: Part of why we are giving you just like the quick,
Speaker 1: skinny context of this is this performance does contain what
Speaker 1: stand up comedy calls blue or strong language.
Speaker 3: We've just had a real potty mouth.
Speaker 2: There are some wild language in hereio indeed, all right,
Speaker 2: then on with the show.
Speaker 1: From ufons to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained defense. You can turn back now or
Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hey, check, check.
Speaker 3: What everybody doing?
Speaker 5: Yeah, human being, how did you like our music?
Speaker 3: Concrete performance?
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, big ants, my pal nole there as well
Speaker 1: as we've got Scott and a.
Speaker 3: Rick, You guys, all of you, indeed.
Speaker 1: Anybody with the courage to reach it into U, your
Speaker 1: heart of hearts, your soul of souls and share a
Speaker 1: story into that microphone.
Speaker 3: There were fragments.
Speaker 5: This told a whole story in some form or fashion,
Speaker 5: maybe just a word someone say.
Speaker 3: He immediately, Yeah, it was yeah, of course it was. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I said a bunch of times.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Well I felt like you were summoning me.
Speaker 5: I was was doing stuff. Then I was deeping and booping.
Speaker 1: Who are you though?
Speaker 3: Hi? My name is Matt, my name is Nola.
Speaker 1: They called me Ben. Most importantly, you are you. You
Speaker 1: are here that makes this stuff. They don't want you
Speaker 1: to know live that the legendary national sawdust here in Brooklyn.
Speaker 3: Is it legendary? Yes?
Speaker 6: It is?
Speaker 3: Now, yeah it is.
Speaker 5: It feels Look at this place, I know, look at
Speaker 5: the whole. I can't tell which way is up. It's
Speaker 5: very Yeah.
Speaker 2: Did anybody ever play mass effect? Anybody in this room?
Speaker 2: Not a single one. It feels like we're on a
Speaker 2: ship in mass effect.
Speaker 3: That's all I say.
Speaker 1: It feels cool up here. And it also hears cool,
Speaker 1: which is a thing I think I can get away
Speaker 1: within the English lagus Here's cool.
Speaker 3: Here's true.
Speaker 7: Why not?
Speaker 3: It's a malleable thing, the English lange us here cool
Speaker 3: around here?
Speaker 1: I heard tell it here's cool, and we are excited
Speaker 1: to join you guys tonight with something we call the
Speaker 1: conspiracy of sound. Sound is everywhere around us. We can
Speaker 1: notice it, especially here in this legendary venu. We also
Speaker 1: ignore a lot of sound, and it's so strange. It
Speaker 1: reminds me a little bit of the old David Foster
Speaker 1: Wallace quote where a fish goes up to the other
Speaker 1: fish and is like, what it's crazy. We're swimming around
Speaker 1: water and the fish says, what's water?
Speaker 3: Yeah? It just kind of exists in that medium. They
Speaker 3: don't really give it too much thought.
Speaker 2: Is there a technical definition of what a sound is?
Speaker 3: You know, there is mass, you know, we've got it right.
Speaker 2: I don't know as science ever nailed down what a
Speaker 2: sound is.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. All right, so we have some problems
Speaker 1: with this one. We'll give you the actual facts definition
Speaker 1: of sound. Sound is a mechanical disturbance from a state
Speaker 1: of equilibrium that propagates through as an elastic material medium.
Speaker 3: It's a disturbance that sounds negative.
Speaker 1: It's also technically accurate, which means it's practically not helpful.
Speaker 5: So in the way that the water is medium, the
Speaker 5: medium for us the fish to swim around, and obviously
Speaker 5: sound can travel through water as well.
Speaker 3: For us, it's just.
Speaker 5: Literally we're picking up our ear machines or picking up
Speaker 5: vibrations in the air.
Speaker 2: It's all this stuff because there's a lot of stuff
Speaker 2: out there, you just can't see it in particulates.
Speaker 3: It's true.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm a giant music nerd, as you can
Speaker 5: maybe tell, but I still to this day am mystified
Speaker 5: and baffled by the idea of You know, we literally
Speaker 5: can interpret vibrating particles of air.
Speaker 3: As like beautiful music.
Speaker 2: That can like move us to tears, and language that
Speaker 2: can hold concepts like acoustics.
Speaker 1: Right, well, let's okay, We've got a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: to get into tonight, folks, and the best way to
Speaker 1: do it shout out to our old alma matter, an
Speaker 1: outfit called how Stuff Works. If you remember that.
Speaker 3: That's nerds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, welcome back. We wanted to give just
Speaker 1: a more helpful, more practical definition of what sound is.
Speaker 1: It's a constant experience for a lot of us. It
Speaker 1: is also a widely misunderstood thing. So, guys, if we
Speaker 1: were going to talk about the building blocks of sound,
Speaker 1: right the notes in the composition of the idea of sound,
Speaker 1: what will we be talking about.
Speaker 5: There's a couple of different terms. I mean, you can
Speaker 5: plot this on a graph. If anyone's ever messed within
Speaker 5: a scilloscope. It's a way of visually interpreting and understanding
Speaker 5: and measuring sound waves that travel through the air.
Speaker 3: And there's a couple of different terms.
Speaker 5: We've got frequency, so the number of sound waves that
Speaker 5: can pass a given point. That's measured in wave lengths,
Speaker 5: you know, so you've got like the peak and the
Speaker 5: trough of a wave. There's different kinds of waves, like
Speaker 5: in synthesis, you've got like a sine wave, which is
Speaker 5: sort of a pure tone, it's like, and then you
Speaker 5: got a saw tooth wave, which has more harmonic so
Speaker 5: it's more like and all of these sounds that are
Speaker 5: used to make weird beetboop music is literally just recreating
Speaker 5: things that occur naturally in nature when you're redundant.
Speaker 3: But I'm okay with that.
Speaker 2: I think that's why this performance is so cool and
Speaker 2: fits what we just did, because you're manipulating specifically those
Speaker 2: those sound waves in like sine waves.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, right.
Speaker 5: And it's interesting because frequency in music can be registered
Speaker 5: as pitch, Like if you've got an oscillating sound.
Speaker 3: Wave, and if it's really slow, it's going to be
Speaker 3: a low tone.
Speaker 5: And as it gets faster and faster and faster, it
Speaker 5: can change to a higher pitch. And it's frequency is
Speaker 5: something that is used all kinds of ways in sound design,
Speaker 5: whether it be you know, creating a tremolo effect that
Speaker 5: is registered as a speed. You know, like the frequency
Speaker 5: is how fast or slow that oscilla is. But if
Speaker 5: once you get into what it's called audio rate, that's
Speaker 5: when you start perceiving it as pitch.
Speaker 3: I'm done, end of end of music. Nerd rants.
Speaker 2: Way more So we got to talk about this term
Speaker 2: hurts because a lot of people have heard this, and
Speaker 2: you're not in you know, the audio industry in some capacity,
Speaker 2: you probably don't know what that really means.
Speaker 3: So I still don't really know, not the not the
Speaker 3: rental company.
Speaker 2: Well that it's a measurement of the frequency of sounds.
Speaker 2: So it's the number of those waves that pass per cycle. Yeah, persiton,
Speaker 2: which is generally measured in a second if you're using
Speaker 2: hurts right. And then when human beings walk around, we
Speaker 2: can only hear between what's the spectrum that humans can
Speaker 2: hear between? Like you guys, yes, most of us are humans.
Speaker 5: I think don't we have a thing? I think we
Speaker 5: have a thing? Right, should I play the thing?
Speaker 1: Not yet?
Speaker 2: Yet an experiment, but I just want to establish this
Speaker 2: between twenty hurts and twenty thousand hurts is generally accepted
Speaker 2: to be the human beings hearing spectrum.
Speaker 3: That's what I have a thing for that. You know,
Speaker 3: we are going to talk about it. I really want
Speaker 3: to do the whole point, guy, I know.
Speaker 2: The whole point is to set up that there are
Speaker 2: things called infrasound which are below that level that you
Speaker 2: can hear, and they're what's the ultra Ever had a child,
Speaker 2: You are familiar with that term, but it just means
Speaker 2: higher than you can hear from.
Speaker 5: Why did I just immediately and not think about that,
Speaker 5: but just thought about it like mega cool sound?
Speaker 3: It's ultraed.
Speaker 1: And then there's no, there's decibel. That's just the unit
Speaker 1: used to measure the intensity of a sound.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1: And we can we can go back and forth comparing sounds,
Speaker 1: and everybody this is the thing. Everybody in this room
Speaker 1: has a unique experience. What we have described to you
Speaker 1: are the scientific commonalities, objective stuff, the language, the language,
Speaker 1: yes just so, the notes and the composition. However, your
Speaker 1: sonic mileage may vary even right now in here and
Speaker 1: outside of here. The world is riddled, so there's so
Speaker 1: much sound that just to survive your average day, your brain,
Speaker 1: without your knowledge nor your consent, actively works to make
Speaker 1: you ignore I'll say it. We're live a bunch of
Speaker 1: shit so much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, naughty boy.
Speaker 5: I heard about a study the other day that apparently
Speaker 5: jen z are losing that ability because of noise canceling headphones.
Speaker 3: WHOA have you guys heard about this? You hear about this,
Speaker 3: You know about this.
Speaker 5: It makes sense if you think about it, because the
Speaker 5: noise canceling headphones use some kind of phase technology to
Speaker 5: cancel out the noise outside in the world. So when
Speaker 5: you're constantly experiencing that, your brain almost like kind of
Speaker 5: loses the ability to do it naturally. And it's causing
Speaker 5: some simulation, yes, exactly. And then there was a name
Speaker 5: for it in the article that I completely should have remembered.
Speaker 5: But there's a particular type of condition that is being
Speaker 5: developed more and more by folks.
Speaker 3: Who used noise canceling heads called getting hit by cars.
Speaker 5: Well, that's its own things, that's its own occupational hazard.
Speaker 5: But but I just made me think of that, because
Speaker 5: it really our brains are designed to filter out those sounds.
Speaker 5: But when we use technology to do it for us,
Speaker 5: the brain kind of atrophies are that part that does it,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's the thing Earth is not to get
Speaker 1: too woo about it. Earth is alive. Collectively. We can
Speaker 1: call this planet its own huge living mago organism. And
Speaker 1: like every other living thing, Earth is constantly making noise. Right,
Speaker 1: it's never gonna shut up. You know, you're not going
Speaker 1: to win that conversation with the planet. You can have
Speaker 1: some headphones and get hit by a car.
Speaker 3: White noise machine. Some people use noise to mask noise.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like my good buddy Jordan run talking, I hope
Speaker 5: it is here is He has a white noise machine
Speaker 5: by his bed and I never understood it until I
Speaker 5: go at his place and now I can't go back.
Speaker 3: It's like it's weird. It's like it's comforting in some way.
Speaker 5: But when you live in a big city and you
Speaker 5: have this constant from right, that's a way of masking out.
Speaker 3: Also, therapists like to use.
Speaker 5: This so the people in the waiting room don't hear
Speaker 5: your deepest, darkest secrets.
Speaker 2: Well hopefully so there's an ambient sound level that exists
Speaker 2: wherever you are, right sure, and in this city I
Speaker 2: watched on the plane goal I watched what was it
Speaker 2: called quiet Place to No, it was a quiet place,
Speaker 2: the earliest quiet place the first day. And there's a
Speaker 2: title card when you when that movie first starts, and
Speaker 2: it says the average decibel level in New York City
Speaker 2: is ninety hurts, so sorry, but it says that that
Speaker 2: is the basically decibel level of a human screen. So
Speaker 2: then upon further looking into it.
Speaker 1: Oh and by the way, shout out to the guy
Speaker 1: who just somberly nodded, like, why did you already know.
Speaker 3: That it is? Just watched it too on a plane.
Speaker 3: I'm sure so it.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: The whole point is a conversation.
Speaker 2: So if we're just sitting here talking, not yelling into
Speaker 2: a mic the way I am, at least right now,
Speaker 2: this is about seventy decibels. If you're standing across from
Speaker 2: you having that conversation, and if I'm screaming at you,
Speaker 2: that's about ninety decibels.
Speaker 3: And that is.
Speaker 2: Sands Mike sounds like just walking around.
Speaker 3: That just blew my mind.
Speaker 1: And that means you have to, as a matter of
Speaker 1: survival and sanity, you have to cut yourself off from
Speaker 1: a lot of the noises that surround you, right, And
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about like arguments with a significant other.
Speaker 1: I mean just walking down the street. I'll talk about
Speaker 1: or not I saw you not. And so we also
Speaker 1: we know though that there's still a lot of science
Speaker 1: people have not figured out about this, right, There's still
Speaker 1: a lot of noises that we can't explain. Have you
Speaker 1: guys ever heard of the bloop?
Speaker 3: Mm? Yes, okay, that's the bluep you guys, let's talk
Speaker 3: about the bloop. Now, that's what the blue is, Matt.
Speaker 3: It's so funny in that clip.
Speaker 2: You can't even really hear the there it is.
Speaker 3: It's a really weird sound.
Speaker 5: It's athlu askue creature coming coming at us from the deep.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a sound that was recorded by microphones
Speaker 2: that are in the ocean, and scientists were baffled, like
Speaker 2: what in the heck made that sound? And you know,
Speaker 2: some of the weirdos thought, hey, maybe that was like.
Speaker 3: A see maybe a creature out there in the sea.
Speaker 5: Esque tentacled demons in the depths, craft, some large mammal,
Speaker 5: you know, some large fish that we just haven't discovered yet.
Speaker 2: They could exist in the deep deep ocean because it
Speaker 2: was such a long and strange sound that seemed to
Speaker 2: raise up I was looping it.
Speaker 3: By the way, it doesn't just go on forever like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is like a singular it is deep sea
Speaker 1: farr it is it is?
Speaker 3: Yeah what an ended up being, Matt.
Speaker 1: It ended up It ended up being U the glacial
Speaker 1: version of a tectonic plate ship. The glaciers were cracking,
Speaker 1: and scientists had abstractly predicted this but kind of got
Speaker 1: the time window wrong. So this was a real oh
Speaker 1: shit moment when they figured out, hey, it's not a
Speaker 1: cool sea monster from our buddy HP Lovecraft.
Speaker 3: It's really thought that though it was just us.
Speaker 1: It's a glacier going mobile man, okay, and now and
Speaker 1: now this brings us. So we explained that one. But
Speaker 1: there's another noise that still has not been explained, and
Speaker 1: it's one of the one of the weirdest continual phenomena
Speaker 1: across the planet in the world of sound.
Speaker 3: We're talking about the hum. We got the bluep and
Speaker 3: we got the hum. These are great the um has anyone.
Speaker 2: Here ever experienced, just like while you're in your apartment,
Speaker 2: just here like this background.
Speaker 5: Well, Matt, do you remember earlier we were in a
Speaker 5: coffee shop or something or pizza guy in front of
Speaker 5: us goes, do you hear like this sixty.
Speaker 3: Cycle hum right now? And we were like, you have
Speaker 3: no idea. We've been like literally thinking about nothing but that,
Speaker 3: and no, I do not hear it. You're losing your mind, sir.
Speaker 2: Well, And in what what we do as humans, we
Speaker 2: try and find a source, right, So if there's event
Speaker 2: or you know, you can tell there's a fan somewhere,
Speaker 2: like maybe there's a homecoming from over there, maybe it's
Speaker 2: some other mechanical device that's just causing that standing wave.
Speaker 2: But in this case, it's like a standing wave that
Speaker 2: is just outside somewhere.
Speaker 5: Tell us what a standing wave is, Matt. We've talked
Speaker 5: about sound waves. They can actually collect like and sort
Speaker 5: of hang out in corners. If anyone's ever been to
Speaker 5: a recording studio, there's a lot of techniques that are
Speaker 5: used to keep standing waves from happening because they can
Speaker 5: totally mess with the way that you perceive other sounds
Speaker 5: by interfering with them. So basically, low frequencies can collect
Speaker 5: in corners and in studios, they use things called base
Speaker 5: traps to keep that from happening. They're like really expensive
Speaker 5: pieces of insulation, is what they basically are. But they
Speaker 5: keep the those waveforms from collecting and changing the shape
Speaker 5: of the room and the way sound waves kind of
Speaker 5: bounce around and refract. I'm sorry, I asked you to
Speaker 5: describe it, and then I went and described it.
Speaker 1: Than This makes me think of one of my favorite
Speaker 1: sound conspiracies, which is infrasounds.
Speaker 5: Yes, right, it's the lol right ultra.
Speaker 1: And this is just real quick, I don't know, just
Speaker 1: show of hands. Does anyone hear no judgment, genuinely believe
Speaker 1: in ghost Yeah?
Speaker 3: Okay, write it down. You gotta got some true believers, Okay,
Speaker 3: all right.
Speaker 1: So it turns out that once upon a time a
Speaker 1: guy who is very skeptical, his name Big Tandy, engineer,
Speaker 1: super skeptical. Uh you you have to prove something to
Speaker 1: me beyond the shadow of a doubt, no matter how
Speaker 1: innocuous you.
Speaker 3: Say, Vic Tandy. Yes, yeah. And this is also James Randy,
Speaker 3: who's also a real skepticist.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Different, what's the deal of that, guys?
Speaker 1: I think it's their last names, right?
Speaker 3: Something us about Big Tandy?
Speaker 1: As I was saying, he is working alone kind of
Speaker 1: late at night in this rectangular lab, and it's not
Speaker 1: a super impressive lab. It's not like super duper high security,
Speaker 1: take your biometrics or anything. He's walking in, he's working alone,
Speaker 1: and he starts to get a creepy sensation. It's a
Speaker 1: sensation that occurs more than once. It haunts him. He
Speaker 1: begins to believe that he's seeing things move out of
Speaker 1: the corner of his eye.
Speaker 3: He's carrying chills.
Speaker 1: He has the sense of a presence always just behind him,
Speaker 1: always just out of view. And he says, Okay, first off,
Speaker 1: I've built like my whole personality on saying ghost are
Speaker 1: not real. So I got to figure out something to
Speaker 1: explain this. And he looks everywhere around, he goes outside.
Speaker 1: He's talking to like the power company, the utilities company,
Speaker 1: and then he finds out that there is a fan
Speaker 1: in the very back of the room that is generating
Speaker 1: a sound he cannot consciously hear. This is infrasound, and
Speaker 1: multiple investigators have gone to haunted houses and discovered that
Speaker 1: at least in those instances, something like that fan has
Speaker 1: produced something that very much appears to be a ghost
Speaker 1: when you experience it in the moment.
Speaker 5: And there are lots of folks that will like to
Speaker 5: set up tape recorders in these houses and let them run,
Speaker 5: and there will be these sounds that they will pick
Speaker 5: up that can't be explained by just like what's going
Speaker 5: on in the house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, tell us, well, it's odd because you're it's kind
Speaker 2: of two different things.
Speaker 3: But just to get the infrasound.
Speaker 2: If you've heard a fan that's just running, let's say,
Speaker 2: a highly metal fan, you know, maybe one of the
Speaker 2: older ones, and you hear the high pitched tones that
Speaker 2: it creates, but there's harmonic stuff going on on the
Speaker 2: lower end because of the mechanical movement of that thing.
Speaker 2: And that's the stuff he's talking about. You can't hear
Speaker 2: it right, And it can physically. What Vic Tandy found
Speaker 2: is it can physically vibrate your eye like you're squeishy
Speaker 2: squeeze eye, that eyes that we all have. And that's
Speaker 2: one of the reasons you get almost that floater feeling
Speaker 2: when you move your eye just a little bit and
Speaker 2: you you feel.
Speaker 3: Like you saw something.
Speaker 5: That's what he was experiencing, what he was seeing out
Speaker 5: of the corner of his eye, and it was freaking yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, but it's you can sense that infra sound right,
Speaker 2: sure causes fight or flight. Yeah, often on a primal level. Yeah,
Speaker 2: without like feeling like you actually need to leave. You'd
Speaker 2: get that sensation when you were talking about Ben. It
Speaker 2: was such a fascinating thing to discover that. And I
Speaker 2: think we talked to his son for the book we did.
Speaker 1: We talked to his son when we were researching researching
Speaker 1: my book named in a burst of creativity stuff. They
Speaker 1: don't want you to go the book because we had
Speaker 1: the title for the show earlier anyway, So this is
Speaker 1: this is the parable or the moral here is if
Speaker 1: you feel you are encountering in ghosts, because we want
Speaker 1: to give you practical applications and ideas, the first thing
Speaker 1: you should do, As silly as it sounds, it's like jack,
Speaker 1: if there's a.
Speaker 2: Fan, oh, or a bus it was there was a
Speaker 2: bus stop right outside another place that was reported to
Speaker 2: be super haunted. Yea, the bus's engine was creating infrasound,
Speaker 2: in standing waves inside the basement of this area. And he,
Speaker 2: you know, he proved it. It's just crazy.
Speaker 5: One thing I've noticed since I've been working on a
Speaker 5: lot of more music and recording, and like mixing records
Speaker 5: and things like that. Is I wouldn't say I hear better,
Speaker 5: but I hear differently and say dead people who welcome that.
Speaker 3: That's okay, that's fair.
Speaker 5: But like i will be in my house and I'll
Speaker 5: be in my living room and I'll hear this sound
Speaker 5: and I'm like, what is that? It's driving me crazy
Speaker 5: and realize that it's a bathroom fan on on the
Speaker 5: other side of the house, and it's because it's creating
Speaker 5: this kind of standing wave thing that travels a lot
Speaker 5: farther than you would think, and I'm experiencing it more
Speaker 5: like not necessarily, like my ears are.
Speaker 3: Better, but my brain's processing this sound differently.
Speaker 1: This okay, And speaking of going back to like our
Speaker 1: point about hearing things differently, can we do the experiment?
Speaker 3: I think? Must we do an experiment with you? Okay?
Speaker 3: All right, all right?
Speaker 1: So okay, as we said, not everybody can hear the
Speaker 1: same sounds. Diplomatically put as we age, our hearing abilities change.
Speaker 1: And so what we'd like to do here with you
Speaker 1: tonight is play a brief clip for you. We're going
Speaker 1: to start at the lowest sound a human being can register.
Speaker 1: We're going to go into the higher ranges, and as
Speaker 1: we play this, listen along closely. When you can no
Speaker 1: longer hear the sound, just raise your.
Speaker 3: Hand and we'll play too. We'll play two. It's going
Speaker 3: to be interesting. Yeah, let's see if I'll play let's
Speaker 3: see the thing. I'm ready, all right, trying to make this.
Speaker 3: It doesn't hurt anybody. It's okay, I'm not hurting yet.
Speaker 3: I guess we'll hear it, guys. Yeah, okay, get.
Speaker 8: A little higher higher, yeah, okay, okay, okay, still there, Okay,
Speaker 8: here's no it's.
Speaker 3: Just where you can't explodes like in scanners, I think so. Yeah,
Speaker 3: stretch it. It is no, not quite gone for me,
Speaker 3: not quite gone for me. Okay, it's gone for me.
Speaker 3: I got it for you, to be honest, guys, still
Speaker 3: got it. I still hear it.
Speaker 1: You still hear it.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's still going. Okay are you joking? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I's going for me. Here's what happened.
Speaker 3: So it's pretty cool, guys. I've never done that with
Speaker 3: actual people before. It must have been.
Speaker 1: It was probably a little weird for some of us
Speaker 1: to see the hands go up earlier and realize that
Speaker 1: the person may be sitting next to you could no
Speaker 1: longer hears as siren sound of wine that was, no
Speaker 1: doubt becoming increasingly disturbing and irritating.
Speaker 2: Right, No, I've lost most of my hearing from a
Speaker 2: ride symbol that sits right here, usually when I'm just
Speaker 2: crashing it. I and I can't believe I heard that
Speaker 2: as long as I did.
Speaker 3: That was Are we sure that was accurate? No?
Speaker 1: No, it is that is accurate? Confirmed podcast accurate. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: so this is wow.
Speaker 3: That's good.
Speaker 1: So here's the here's the thing. For those of us
Speaker 1: who could hear the sound almost to the entirety of
Speaker 1: the time, you will need to avoid parts of the
Speaker 1: Scottish railway network because a few years back, true story, now,
Speaker 1: a few years back, they got tired of all these
Speaker 1: young loiterers and so they they weaponized the system called
Speaker 1: the Mosquito. They conspired against the Utes of Scotland and
Speaker 1: they they put these speakers in that would play a
Speaker 1: noise that would drive people on the younger side of
Speaker 1: the human ana e spectrum absolutely insane.
Speaker 5: Like our friend at the pizza shop. But she the
Speaker 5: thing we couldn't hear for sure. I don't think any
Speaker 5: of us get here. So that's kind of wild man.
Speaker 5: So did it work?
Speaker 1: It did work? It did we know that? Well? I
Speaker 1: guess as a kid would age out.
Speaker 3: They would regain the ability to loiter.
Speaker 5: Okay, fair enough, But then it's like elderly are a
Speaker 5: lot less threatening.
Speaker 1: It's a lot less cute, Like what are you doing
Speaker 1: when you're thirty eight? Just there?
Speaker 3: I dig that, I actually really dig that.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I'm forty one and I could hear it
Speaker 5: almost till the very end.
Speaker 3: So I'm still going to go loitering Scottish train stations.
Speaker 2: What if all the kids had sound canceling headphones.
Speaker 1: See, this is where we're tying things together.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, I get it. I guess we're.
Speaker 1: Also noting that that's one that's one real world example
Speaker 1: of how sounds can be weaponized, how they can be
Speaker 1: used against you. However, that is a fairly innocuous example,
Speaker 1: because no one on that train station is forced to
Speaker 1: be there. No one is being forced to stay there
Speaker 1: or encounter sounds that they do not consent.
Speaker 3: To hear it.
Speaker 1: And will pause for a word from our sponsors, and
Speaker 1: we've returned with a conspiracy of sound. Well on you guys,
Speaker 1: do we want to talk about the for another experiment?
Speaker 1: Do we want to talk about the sound of silence?
Speaker 1: Or we want to go straight to weaponization.
Speaker 2: Let's go to weaponization.
Speaker 3: Can we do Simon and Garfunkle first?
Speaker 1: I mean, actually, it's funny. You don't know about this,
Speaker 1: but I've been writing a terribly nasty parody of Homeward Bounds.
Speaker 1: I'll share it with you after the show.
Speaker 3: Wow, it's too much.
Speaker 1: Quite frankly, it's pretty good. Whatever, it's good, So okay,
Speaker 1: all right, weaponized sound then, right, yeah.
Speaker 3: Let's do it. Actually it is really nice and quite.
Speaker 1: Legendary. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Wow, thanks y'all for having that's a cool space.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't have to do it. Let's talk about
Speaker 3: dangerous stuff. But you already did it. We got to
Speaker 3: at least talk about the world's quietest room. All right,
Speaker 3: let's do it.
Speaker 1: Let's do it over in ore Field Labs in Minnesota.
Speaker 1: Some we, I think several of us audio files know
Speaker 1: about this. Some of the world's smartest experts in audio
Speaker 1: built the literal quietest room in the world. And that
Speaker 1: silence we just heard together what passes for silence, you know,
Speaker 1: with the slight hung there, we could hear some breathing,
Speaker 1: some coughs, things of that nature that doesn't happen in
Speaker 1: the quietest room, and it makes the quietest room an
Speaker 1: incredibly disturbing place. People can hear themselves blink and hear.
Speaker 3: The sound of your blood like flowing through your body. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you guys ever have.
Speaker 5: Those like orchid Tho's rooms in orchestra class, like in school,
Speaker 5: the little practice.
Speaker 7: Rooms or whatever.
Speaker 5: It's like that, but like fifty x, you know, and
Speaker 5: it is so intense that if you it could be
Speaker 5: considered torture to a degree if someone was forced to
Speaker 5: stay in there for long enough.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine seriously locking somebody in there. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: that's terrifying. Yeah.
Speaker 3: We talk about being alone with your thoughts.
Speaker 2: I mean, well, this solitary confinement is one of the
Speaker 2: worst things you could do to somebody, right, right, We've
Speaker 2: learned that over time.
Speaker 3: But at least you can talk through the pipes to
Speaker 3: your neighbor.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 3: There's little notes and stuff not in this.
Speaker 1: Not in this room, and people do kind of like
Speaker 1: a really scary haunted house. People do make the decision
Speaker 1: to pay to go into the room for some amount
Speaker 1: of the was a bravado. It's a bragge docio, you
Speaker 1: know what, Like, I'm already a very quiet person. How
Speaker 1: bad could this be? You know, it never works out spoiled.
Speaker 3: No, no, it's not good.
Speaker 1: It's cool that it exists. But yeah, you're gonna learn
Speaker 1: a lot about yourself in that way. And that's like, okay,
Speaker 1: it's because humanity exists in somewhat of a of a
Speaker 1: Goldilock zone of sound. The absence of sound is terrified, right,
Speaker 1: and the wrong sounds use the wrong way are not
Speaker 1: just terrifying, but physically dangerous. This is where we get
Speaker 1: to the real weaponized stuff. I think one of our
Speaker 1: favorites the PsiOps. The fact that, okay, I think it's funny,
Speaker 1: the fact that the US military, at multiple times, not
Speaker 1: just the US, multiple world militaries have been trying to,
Speaker 1: you know, lay siege to some nay force. They've been
Speaker 1: trying to straight up torture people. And they've said, oh,
Speaker 1: we've tried everything, right, you know, we've done all these
Speaker 1: horrific interrogation techniques. What should we do next? And someone goes,
Speaker 1: I can play the Barney song. Yeah, yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: they keep playing it it's true. Don't stop, just keep
Speaker 1: it going.
Speaker 3: It's absolutely diabolical, is what it is.
Speaker 1: It is in classic rock and heavy metal. True story.
Speaker 1: That's what broke Manual Noriega in nineteen eighty nine. They
Speaker 1: look it up, they played classic rock.
Speaker 2: It was the Scorpions well and enhanced interrogation techniques. We
Speaker 2: don't want to get you know, in too much trouble here,
Speaker 2: but those were used with extremely loud metal music playing
Speaker 2: right in order to make somebody feel extremely.
Speaker 3: Non sensory overload.
Speaker 1: And then there's also the part about using sound in
Speaker 1: a way that weaponizes not just your auditory mechanisms, but
Speaker 1: also the culture in which you exist. This is another
Speaker 1: military thing, Operation Wandering Soul and the ghost tapes. Know
Speaker 1: you want to talk a little.
Speaker 5: Bit about, Yeah, this is There was a podcast that
Speaker 5: worked on back in the early days of podcasts when
Speaker 5: they were only one billion podcasts, and it was called
Speaker 5: The Stuff of Life with a good friend Julie Douglas
Speaker 5: over at House Stuff Works, and we actually did an
Speaker 5: episode on what's called ghost tape number ten or the
Speaker 5: one but what is it to Operation Wandering Soul, And
Speaker 5: it was essentially a US psyops effort to freak out
Speaker 5: the vietcom by planting these little speakers in trees in
Speaker 5: the forests of Vietnam and playing like spooky ghost sounds. Essentially,
Speaker 5: I'm simplify oversimplifying it a little bit, but the idea
Speaker 5: was there's a lot of ancestor worship in that culture,
Speaker 5: and there's a lot of belief in ghosts that it
Speaker 5: runs very, very deep, and the US government essentially weaponized
Speaker 5: that against them by making them believe that the ghosts
Speaker 5: of their ancestors were coming for them or haunting them,
Speaker 5: or lurking in some way in the forests.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're attempting to at least so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they did it by physically sneaking in in
Speaker 2: planting devices.
Speaker 3: Right, that's terrifying.
Speaker 1: Spooky stuffs too, even if you don't believe in ghosts.
Speaker 1: They're imagineer in the woods. Yeah, that's a that's a
Speaker 1: clip of this. Imagine you're in the woods, you're already
Speaker 1: set a koto, you're already in a combat zone. You've
Speaker 1: seen people die, right, you might die today, and you
Speaker 1: hear something like this. There's also the clip of the
Speaker 1: little Girl, which I think is creepier.
Speaker 3: I think that's a little map that's the warning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but just coming from the tree tops, right, Like
Speaker 2: if you imagine that low file least somewhat.
Speaker 1: Right, and you're already keyed up, you already know the
Speaker 1: sounds of the environment around you. So this is even
Speaker 1: for the most skeptical of your Kong, this is a
Speaker 1: very frightening experience.
Speaker 5: I agree with you, but didn't we also kind of
Speaker 5: determine that a lot of people kind of thought it
Speaker 5: was bullshit, and then it wasn't particularly effective and maybe
Speaker 5: a little bit you know on the part of Uncle
Speaker 5: Sam dismissive.
Speaker 2: And super well, yeah, it was all of those things
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Whether or not anybody believe that, I don't, but it is.
Speaker 1: An example of it is another example of the immense
Speaker 1: amount of time, money, and energy spent on weaponizing sound
Speaker 1: against people and turning sounds you hear against you. And
Speaker 1: sometimes this stuff doesn't work. But honestly, in some cases
Speaker 1: it works way better than you might assume. This is
Speaker 1: where we introduce a guy named Woody Norris. Matt, do
Speaker 1: you want to you want to kick some guy Norris?
Speaker 2: This guy I've become obsessed with, y'all, and I highly
Speaker 2: recommend you do a search for Woody Norris and something
Speaker 2: called hypersonic sound. This is uh, this is an inventor.
Speaker 2: He has a third grade education, at least that's what
Speaker 2: he states. He one time took a part a transistor
Speaker 2: radio when he was about eight years old, and he's
Speaker 2: been inventing things ever since, well back in the nineties,
Speaker 2: I think it was ninety six. Specifically, he patented a
Speaker 2: thing called hypersonic sound. And uh, give a little Ted
Speaker 2: talk about it. Should we play the clip before.
Speaker 3: We think we should? Well, let's just say. Let's just
Speaker 3: say that.
Speaker 2: He developed a way to turn soundund into a beam
Speaker 2: the way we can turn lights into a laser, right,
Speaker 2: really focus it down, or we can turn it into
Speaker 2: with a lens, you know, focus it down on something
Speaker 2: like this and you can get pictures.
Speaker 3: It makes sense.
Speaker 2: Well, he found a way to make a device that
Speaker 2: he can point at you and sound can travel through
Speaker 2: the air to exactly where you are, as far away
Speaker 2: as you are. If you're in this beam.
Speaker 1: And the person next to you won't hear a thing.
Speaker 2: You only you will be able to hear when he
Speaker 2: is shooting at you.
Speaker 5: Can I say, Matt, I don't know if this is
Speaker 5: exactly connected. But have you guys heard of this place,
Speaker 5: the sphere in Las Vegas?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Directly what directly connected?
Speaker 5: Okay, great, Well that they apparently have this sound system
Speaker 5: that it like whatever your seat is, you get a
Speaker 5: sound mix that's in whatever your language is or whatever.
Speaker 3: Like preferences you might have. Can you yeah, get so
Speaker 3: this is the same technology, then yes, but.
Speaker 2: We're talking about the nineties when he patented it. And
Speaker 2: then he's going to tell you a little something in
Speaker 2: this clip we pulled from his ted talk that he
Speaker 2: gave in the early two thousands that, uh, let's extrapolate
Speaker 2: maybe together a little bit what he means.
Speaker 10: We've got the military had just deployed some of these
Speaker 10: into a rack where you can put fake troop movements
Speaker 10: a quarter of a mile away on a hillside, or
Speaker 10: you can whisper in the ear of a supposed terrorist
Speaker 10: some biblical verse.
Speaker 3: I'm serious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can make someone think they're hearing God. Yeah,
Speaker 2: with a weapon that the military has had since before
Speaker 2: you know, we invaded a rock.
Speaker 3: Decon and like have him tell you to do stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which goes back to the by Caramel Mind, which
Speaker 1: is a different episode.
Speaker 2: Sure, Sorry, this has blown my mind so much that
Speaker 2: it's even a possibility, and really thinking about it being
Speaker 2: weaponized and purchased by the Pentagon for such activities.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's cool, it's fine, everything's fine.
Speaker 1: It also reminds me of one thing that has been
Speaker 1: on everybody's mind a few years ago, Havana syndrome. We've
Speaker 1: all heard about that, right, Yeah, just real quick show
Speaker 1: of hands, all right, I think it's real it.
Speaker 3: Who's got it?
Speaker 1: Okay? Okay, yeah, okay, who thinks it's malarkey? As Biden
Speaker 1: would say, Okay, surprisingly closer than I thought.
Speaker 3: We get it. We talked extensively about this.
Speaker 5: We're going to again in a little bit and an
Speaker 5: additional segment of the show that we're going to do later.
Speaker 3: Now, do a little bit.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we'll set this up. Beginning in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: individuals who I want to say this diplomatically, were in
Speaker 1: some way associated with intelligence communities in the State Department. Right,
Speaker 1: they started reporting, Okay, I need they started reporting all
Speaker 1: these debilitating symptoms associated with what they thought was as
Speaker 1: it yet unexplained weapon that could target target them in
Speaker 1: some way. Was this some kind of microwave energy directed?
Speaker 1: Was its being more associated with sound. People were looking
Speaker 1: for all kinds of explanations, including this one guy who said,
Speaker 1: with a lot of misinformed confidence, the crickets in Cuba
Speaker 1: are weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I can buy that. Maybe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody else went along with it. We don't know
Speaker 1: what's happening, Brooklyn. As we hang out tonight, the top
Speaker 1: intelligence agencies of the world don't agree on what's happening.
Speaker 1: Some people are saying they made it up, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just they had them malaise and now they can
Speaker 1: put a word on it.
Speaker 5: Well, can we just say, like, it's similar to Gulf
Speaker 5: War syndrome, for example. It's this like kind of amorphous
Speaker 5: collection of symptoms that are hard to pin to a
Speaker 5: particular thing in general. So we're starting off with a
Speaker 5: disadvantage in that respect.
Speaker 1: Sure, maybe a bit of confirmation bias.
Speaker 2: As you know, I honestly thought I heard it once
Speaker 2: in the house. Honestly, for real, I thought I heard it,
Speaker 2: and I got nervous, and I guess a paranoia I
Speaker 2: heard what?
Speaker 3: So what? Fine, it was a sound.
Speaker 2: If you're not paranoid, you should that's probably it was
Speaker 2: my PS four. My PS four was the fans within
Speaker 2: it were generating such a terrible tone that was so
Speaker 2: high pitched, and I didn't understand that it was causing
Speaker 2: it because I heard it coming from the far side
Speaker 2: of my house like a standing wave.
Speaker 3: Sure, but it was just this high pitched tone from
Speaker 3: the fans, and it scared the crap out of me.
Speaker 5: But now you've got in Havana syndrome, and you weren't
Speaker 5: even in Havana.
Speaker 3: Not at all.
Speaker 2: I thought I was in Atlanta syndrome.
Speaker 3: That's a different kind of syndrome, bro.
Speaker 1: This is our PSA for Atlanta syndrome. No, well, you'll
Speaker 1: have to listen.
Speaker 3: To the recording. Strew chicken wings everywhere you go. Peperwtt.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. I'm telling you the hype is real.
Speaker 2: Just so we know that thing, that hypersonic sound. But
Speaker 2: what he made it can only register what is it?
Speaker 2: It hurts above two hundred.
Speaker 3: So pepperweight, yes, thank you by them. Sorry, I are
Speaker 3: gonna let that go. That is the way, Sorry, Matt,
Speaker 3: Please get totally fine.
Speaker 2: Two hurts and above is the targeted like sound you
Speaker 2: can create at crazy high decibel levels, which sounds a
Speaker 2: lot like habana.
Speaker 5: But we do know that these types of weapons exist
Speaker 5: for like crowd dispersement. Sure, and their quote unquote non
Speaker 5: lethal right.
Speaker 1: Less than lethal would be the better.
Speaker 3: Your head doesn't.
Speaker 5: Scanners explode instantly, but it may not be good for
Speaker 5: you long term.
Speaker 1: Bits picture, it's a thing where the manufacturers can say, legally,
Speaker 1: we're not trying to kill people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like rubber bullets, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, pain hurts or hurts?
Speaker 3: Pain does?
Speaker 1: Everybody hurts?
Speaker 2: Sometimes add a docibel level one hundred and twenty five.
Speaker 2: That's when pain begins to register in your mind when
Speaker 2: you're like being hit with.
Speaker 3: A followed by scanner's head explosion right after that. So
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna let it go.
Speaker 1: Fine, So we know that there can also be messages
Speaker 1: conveyed in this way, right, There can be messages that
Speaker 1: are sent out maybe in plane at your shot, to
Speaker 1: this entire audience, but for one reason or another, maybe
Speaker 1: only a few people would register it.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: And we're not talking about just a just like a
Speaker 1: high shrill notes or something. We're talking about the possibility
Speaker 1: of certain encoded things. Matt, I see what you have there.
Speaker 3: Is It's just my phone.
Speaker 2: I'm just going to make a call. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: my son was obsessed with this, is obsessed with this.
Speaker 2: He thinks is the coolest thing. He wants to take
Speaker 2: it in for show and tell. This is a transistor radio. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's all it is. It's not connected to Wi Fi.
Speaker 2: It doesn't do anything else. It's got batteries and it's
Speaker 2: a transistor radio. It's got a fancy little thing here
Speaker 2: we call an antenna.
Speaker 3: And you know what it does.
Speaker 1: What does it do?
Speaker 2: It translates all the hidden waves that are flying through
Speaker 2: the air right now, and it turns them into audible music.
Speaker 2: And Howard Stern, I guess sometimes and other people. You know,
Speaker 2: I've heard folks that are awesome and you can listen
Speaker 2: right now. I think it's one oh five point one
Speaker 2: here in New York.
Speaker 3: You gotta listen.
Speaker 2: I heard We Have to the Breakfast Clubs, one of
Speaker 2: the best shows on the radio. It's I don't even
Speaker 2: want to do it. I was gonna put it on
Speaker 2: and show. It's just it's amazingly cool that you can
Speaker 2: turn this thing on and you can just pick stuff
Speaker 2: out of the air that is flowing through us right now.
Speaker 2: It doesn't stop flowing through us when you go to sleep.
Speaker 2: It's flowing through us. When you take a shower, it's
Speaker 2: flowing through us, and that.
Speaker 1: Happens pretty much anywhere in the world you go.
Speaker 2: It kind of freaks me out, but it's also amazing.
Speaker 1: It kind of should freak you out. It's weird that
Speaker 1: it became normalized.
Speaker 5: Hey, let's take a quick break from the show. Here
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Speaker 2: Oh those were great, Right, we're back, let's jump in.
Speaker 1: We don't even need much more technology to do a
Speaker 1: real hidden message that can go around the world.
Speaker 3: It's time for us to talk about number stations. Yes,
Speaker 3: really quickly though, I.
Speaker 5: Man, lest we leave you terrified that we're all being,
Speaker 5: like you, bombarded with these radio frequencies and that they're
Speaker 5: like dangerous or something.
Speaker 3: There are no different spectrums.
Speaker 5: There are, of course, microwaves things like that that are
Speaker 5: very tiny because they can penetrate your body in ways
Speaker 5: that are dangerous.
Speaker 3: But these are comparatively large waves.
Speaker 2: Right, yes, wait, which ones?
Speaker 3: We're talking short wave?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 3: The short waves what they're called.
Speaker 5: But like the type of things that are flying around,
Speaker 5: most of the stuff that we encounter when we're sleeping,
Speaker 5: like you're talking about, these are not things that we
Speaker 5: should be worried No, we shouldn't be worried about.
Speaker 2: Just but Wi Fi is a fairly new thing when
Speaker 2: you think about another kind of ra existence frequency.
Speaker 1: Yeah, someone in the crowd right now just thought, oh god, five.
Speaker 3: We're not going there, five G, seven G.
Speaker 2: But no, just think about the the amount of waves
Speaker 2: that we send out from all these giant places that
Speaker 2: broadcast them and from you know, our individual devices and
Speaker 2: all that stuff.
Speaker 3: And there are a lot of people that.
Speaker 2: Are freaked out about that, which leads to ones of
Speaker 2: the quiet zone.
Speaker 6: Yes, Radio D we went there, We got launched, We
Speaker 6: got hell one of the.
Speaker 1: Last places with actual landline pay phones in this country
Speaker 1: because there are no cell phones allowed to exist.
Speaker 5: And they have literal vans people whose job it is
Speaker 5: to roll around scanning for these type of frequencies and
Speaker 5: figuring out who the hell broke the rules and brought
Speaker 5: this you know, forbidden device into the quiet.
Speaker 1: And we will get to number stations.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm so sorry. Now why are you sorry?
Speaker 5: I'm the one that brought us to the radio HEAs
Speaker 5: wanted to, don't want to think they were like getting
Speaker 5: cancer from you know, uh Star ninety seven.
Speaker 3: No, hell no.
Speaker 2: The greatest thing is if, ever, if all the technology
Speaker 2: just broke right, huge blackout or something.
Speaker 3: If you've got one of these, you.
Speaker 2: Know what's going on, because there's there're gonna be human
Speaker 2: beings in a radio station broadcasting some important message.
Speaker 5: Out hopefully like in Fallout what's the guy's name? The
Speaker 5: DJ and the Fallout game you have to go find
Speaker 5: three dogs. That's true, you got to find a three
Speaker 5: dog and then he'll tell you where your dad is.
Speaker 1: And there's an entire system of automated there's an entire
Speaker 1: system of automated messages that are supposed to continue like
Speaker 1: after civilization falls.
Speaker 3: That's exactly right.
Speaker 1: There's like twelve people and now they have to listen
Speaker 1: to the same recorded message over and over again, which
Speaker 1: kind of becomes an accidental signe.
Speaker 5: And there's usually like a plot point where you realize
Speaker 5: they record it and it's on a loop and everyone's
Speaker 5: dead and you're fucked.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, So so if I tune my radio to
Speaker 2: one O five point one, I can hear Charlemagne?
Speaker 3: What else gets played on some of these radio bands?
Speaker 1: Oh, gosh, yeah, we'll fast forward through this real quick.
Speaker 1: You don't need a uh, you don't need a dangerous
Speaker 1: frequency to do dangerous things. Numbers stations are an active
Speaker 1: conspiracy right now. I accidentally I just tuned into one
Speaker 1: when I was in Japan a little while back. There
Speaker 1: is this Cold war relic that is entirely meant to
Speaker 1: communicate with spies. Anybody can tune into these radio stations,
Speaker 1: at which point you'll hear something like this.
Speaker 3: Awesome.
Speaker 2: Nope, hold on, we had a screen saver.
Speaker 3: There's only cool beaps. There's one with the cool beap.
Speaker 11: We like the one with the beeps. So it's a
Speaker 11: radio station that's quiet most of the time. I feel
Speaker 11: the people nod in the heads. Yeah, except every so
Speaker 11: often something like this.
Speaker 3: Will come out.
Speaker 1: You can hear this because of the hotel, because of
Speaker 1: the nature radio. You can hear this almost anywhere in
Speaker 1: the world. And there are entire communities, often online, dedicated
Speaker 1: to figuring out what's happening here. But the most likely
Speaker 1: answer is that at least once upon a time, these
Speaker 1: were one way messages to agents of espionage right, largely Russian,
Speaker 1: and they're written with what's called the one Time Codebook.
Speaker 1: Not to get too into the weeds here, but what
Speaker 1: that means is there's effectively no way for you to
Speaker 1: figure out the what they're saying unless you also have
Speaker 1: your handy little book, which we're not gonna is.
Speaker 3: It like a cipher like I mean that you have
Speaker 3: to have a key to scratch.
Speaker 1: I got it, So Echo Hotel, a couple of numbers
Speaker 1: you might be able to say, possibly that sounds like
Speaker 1: latitude and longitude. Unless you have that little book, you're
Speaker 1: never gonna know. And if you ever get bored and
Speaker 1: bibe your vice of choice and get thee to YouTube.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 5: There's a collection of these is called the Connet Projects,
Speaker 5: and it's very fascinating, really interesting listens.
Speaker 3: Some of them are actually kind of beautiful.
Speaker 5: If anyone's familiar with the Wilco record Yankee Hotel Foxtrot,
Speaker 5: there's a sample at the end of one of the
Speaker 5: crazy songs called I'm Trying to Break Your Heart that
Speaker 5: gets really wild, and then there's the sample Yankee Hotel
Speaker 5: Foxtrot that is from the Connt Project. So you can
Speaker 5: find all of those in playlists on YouTube, and they're
Speaker 5: really interesting.
Speaker 1: And we're pretty sure it's fine to listen to these,
Speaker 1: because we did a few episodes on them, and no
Speaker 1: one is content.
Speaker 3: These are old. I mean these are from you know,
Speaker 3: like these are yeah, all right?
Speaker 1: Have you listened to the new ones? That's that's the
Speaker 1: most pretentious thing.
Speaker 3: Of whoa you ever heard the new numbers? Listen to
Speaker 3: music on my mini the trolla?
Speaker 6: Yes.
Speaker 1: So this is where this is where, this is where
Speaker 1: we we have to ask ourselves. Knowing that there is
Speaker 1: at least some grain enough truth to all of these
Speaker 1: conspiracies we just explored together, we have to ask ourselves
Speaker 1: when it comes to hidden messages, right, how far does
Speaker 1: this conspiracy ankle play? That's why. To learn more, we're
Speaker 1: going to join some folks at their house right now.
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Speaker 2: I think some other folks could do better. I'm just
Speaker 2: I'm telling you.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, obviously it's falling apart, so.
Speaker 3: We're leaving the stage.
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Speaker 1: there's an entire conspiracy to hide secret What are these messages?
Speaker 1: Instructions in plain in sight?
Speaker 4: Technically plane earshot?
Speaker 3: Wait you can hear us?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I can hear you. We can always hear you.
Speaker 1: What the That guy sounds like me? And we're supposed
Speaker 1: to act on this like we're being conscripted into some
Speaker 1: sort of secret army.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a they live thing, but with sound.
Speaker 1: We're sort of booking fun and how easily audio can
Speaker 1: be manipulated to push human behavior, sometimes without the conscious
Speaker 1: mind registering what's happening. We're having a lot of fun
Speaker 1: with it, but it's a very real, potentially dangerous thing.
Speaker 4: Also, we're doing the matrix. What you'll see, you'll see.
Speaker 3: Man, I'm so glad we're in on this.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I I want to be Matt.
Speaker 1: Is it fair for us to keep such a massive
Speaker 1: revelation secret.
Speaker 2: It's a choice you got to make for yourself. You
Speaker 2: can choose to keep going the way you were, or
Speaker 2: you can oscillate just a little further down the rabbit hole.
Speaker 1: But what about everybody else?
Speaker 4: Don't people deserve to know what's happening?
Speaker 2: I mean, you can try and tell them, but they
Speaker 2: literally can't hear you.
Speaker 4: That's correct.
Speaker 1: If there was any way to genuinely help people learn
Speaker 1: about the conspiracy surrounding the power of sound without incurring
Speaker 1: the wrath of the powers that be. You'd probably have to,
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Speaker 1: Isn't that back masking?
Speaker 3: Oh shit, we have a show to do. Yeah, let's
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Speaker 14: We would like to welcome our very special guests for
Speaker 14: this evening, the host of Broken Records, the man who
Speaker 14: knows everything about music and has decided to join us
Speaker 14: live tonight.
Speaker 1: Please join us.
Speaker 3: And welcoming the one and only justin Richmond. Who you are, sir?
Speaker 6: Wow, I don't know how I got you. I just
Speaker 6: heard a sound I was compelled to come. Yeah, I
Speaker 6: think I agreed to this.
Speaker 1: Well, we can't thank you enough for coming. We were
Speaker 1: we were talking back and forth earlier when we were
Speaker 1: working on the idea of the conspiracy of sound. We
Speaker 1: wanted to touch on some of the weirdest sounds that
Speaker 1: people like our friends and family and the audience tonight
Speaker 1: have heard and tie that into of course, music conspiracies,
Speaker 1: maybe a little Havana syndrome, but justin let's start here.
Speaker 1: We were talking earlier and we were asking you what
Speaker 1: are the weirdest sounds that you have heard?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: So, uh, you know, I live in Long Beach, California,
Speaker 6: which you know is that cool?
Speaker 3: Oh, it's great, It's amazing.
Speaker 1: A short beach. I've always wanted to ask, is it
Speaker 1: a short beach?
Speaker 3: Is there a short is a short beach? Seal beach?
Speaker 1: Oh? But they don't they don't, Yeah, they don't advertise them.
Speaker 3: Maybe someone of the beach is nice.
Speaker 5: Also, apparently Long Island, like is just New York? Here
Speaker 5: is Manhattan rather right, like the Long Island. If you
Speaker 5: heard this what somebody told me about this? Like maybe
Speaker 5: I'm totally wrong, but like Long Island was originally like
Speaker 5: referring to the island of Manhattan. But I digress tell
Speaker 5: us about what happens sonically in Long Beach.
Speaker 6: Well, Long Beach, for those who don't know, is it's
Speaker 6: a port town. So we you know, it has the
Speaker 6: Port of Los Angeles and the Port of Long Beach,
Speaker 6: and so it's like, you know, beside it's like one
Speaker 6: of the biggest ports in the world.
Speaker 3: And so in addition to the the you know, there's
Speaker 3: all cons of things going on Long Beach.
Speaker 6: There's the port, there's the airport. There's all kinds of
Speaker 6: going on with the port. You know, most of us
Speaker 6: day to day we probably about five miles from the ports.
Speaker 6: We're not we're not always over there. We don't really
Speaker 6: see it. But at night a lot of times I'll
Speaker 6: wake up three am and just hear like a weird
Speaker 6: like foghorn, like the most unsettling you know, like when
Speaker 6: you're in a horror movie and it's like, uh, it's
Speaker 6: it's it's misty or foggy and it's a full moon
Speaker 6: and the leaves are bare on the tree.
Speaker 5: Have you seen the lighthouse that Rabbert Egger's yes, okay, right,
Speaker 5: Like that soundtrack.
Speaker 3: Is fog horn, Like it is indeed unsettling, and you'll
Speaker 3: just wake up, you know, when we're like three blocks
Speaker 3: in the beach.
Speaker 1: WHOA.
Speaker 2: I wonder if you hear the hum the rumble of
Speaker 2: some of the ships and stuff that roll through there too,
Speaker 2: and the mechanisms that are like on the dock itself.
Speaker 6: Well, you know that's that's the thing, like the foghorn,
Speaker 6: as unsettling as it is, Like you know, you wake
Speaker 6: up three am to go to go to go use
Speaker 6: the restroom, go back to your.
Speaker 3: Bed, and you're hearing a foghorn.
Speaker 6: At least I know what it is and why, Yes,
Speaker 6: and I can identify that sound.
Speaker 3: There's also an abnormal for the longest simon.
Speaker 6: I haven't heard it in a while, but for a
Speaker 6: while I would wake up around four or five am,
Speaker 6: between four or five am and six am, six thirty am,
Speaker 6: there'd just be a high pitched what's oh, And everyone
Speaker 6: in Long Beach who's up at that time can hear it,
Speaker 6: but no one can.
Speaker 3: No one can tell me what it is.
Speaker 6: There's just a rogue, no one there was also, by
Speaker 6: the way, I know we're not talking about smells, but
Speaker 6: there's a smell that floats in from off the coast
Speaker 6: okay that no one can tell you what it is.
Speaker 6: I mean, it smells like there's a gas Like sometimes
Speaker 6: I've come home like there's a gas like what I
Speaker 6: left the and I'll go look and there's nothing, and
Speaker 6: I'll call the you know, uh, you.
Speaker 3: Know, I'll call it.
Speaker 6: Just wants to call in the ghast, lik, right, So
Speaker 6: I'll call you know, what do you want to sense
Speaker 6: now to check this out?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 6: No, we're getting calls left and right, like it's everywhere.
Speaker 6: We don't but they don't know what it is. No
Speaker 6: one knows what it is. The government, the local government
Speaker 6: can't tell us. Like California, ask people go down to investigate.
Speaker 3: They can't tell us.
Speaker 1: Doesn't smell bad, smells like gyas.
Speaker 3: It's like like like likes like sulfur. Oh I got
Speaker 3: bad news. Your whole town is haunted. Yeah, this is
Speaker 3: actually not surprised me.
Speaker 1: What we brought you on the show to talk.
Speaker 3: This is terrible news. I'll be leading, I will not
Speaker 3: be returning home themselves.
Speaker 2: Tell us what connects you directly to music and to
Speaker 2: Broken Record into just what you do?
Speaker 3: What I do well?
Speaker 6: I am the host of Broken Record, a music podcast
Speaker 6: that I started with Rick Rubin and Malcolm Gladwell, WHOA, yeah.
Speaker 3: That's cool. And Rick Assentce.
Speaker 6: You know, he's still involved at high level, but he's
Speaker 6: he's hosting a new show now and so I'm left
Speaker 6: to host.
Speaker 5: He's just meditating, levitating somewhere in Malibu right now we speak.
Speaker 3: We don't even know where he is. We're yeah, and
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, there were But like, you know, music is.
Speaker 3: We talked about what sound is, sound waves and all
Speaker 3: of that.
Speaker 5: I'm a huge music fan, and the idea that music
Speaker 5: is just this scientifically quantifiable bunch of vibrating air, you know,
Speaker 5: molecules still just.
Speaker 3: Kind of blows my mind.
Speaker 5: And when I put a needle on a record, the
Speaker 5: process by which grews scratched into a piece of plastic
Speaker 5: are then transmuted through a needle into a thing that
Speaker 5: goes into speakers and becomes music that then hits our
Speaker 5: ears absolutely blows my mind constantly, and I more or
Speaker 5: less understand the science of it, but it doesn't make
Speaker 5: you feel any less magical, right, It.
Speaker 3: Blows you know. What's funny?
Speaker 6: We always talk about this in a negative sense, but
Speaker 6: I'm always astounded by it, and I wish we could
Speaker 6: go back to it.
Speaker 3: But We always think.
Speaker 6: A lot of books or documentaries just about music, or
Speaker 6: if you talk to people who are at a certain age,
Speaker 6: you made music at a certain time, they'll tell you.
Speaker 6: By the time when recording studios were run by people
Speaker 6: in lab coats.
Speaker 3: Beatles were always pissing them off.
Speaker 5: We're using the equipment wrong, right, and the the the
Speaker 5: narrative in music is like at some point the Beatles
Speaker 5: and other people we were we were freed by the
Speaker 5: tyrannical lab coat engineers like democratize it.
Speaker 6: Democratize it, right, and you get like, you know, the
Speaker 6: kind of you know, then you get more the engineer
Speaker 6: just looks more like a like a you know, like
Speaker 6: a run of the mill like hippie or something, right
Speaker 6: like yeah, yah, yeah, Well the thing that's need about that,
Speaker 6: I should go back to that, I should go back
Speaker 6: to lap Yeah. Well sure, But the thing is a
Speaker 6: lot of music technology, things like compressors, for example, a
Speaker 6: word built for broadcast for very functional purposes, like to
Speaker 6: make it so when a song come came on, it
Speaker 6: wasn't going to knock your head off because it.
Speaker 5: Was so much louder than the last one. But then
Speaker 5: somebody went around behind the lab co guy's back and
Speaker 5: figured out how to crank that thing up and make
Speaker 5: it sound cool. And that's like the sound of led
Speaker 5: Zeppelin slappy drums, or like the Beatles plugging a guitar
Speaker 5: right into the console and cranking the game up so
Speaker 5: they get a fuzz on revolution.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: That is that is what we did liberate from the lab.
Speaker 6: You know some of there's certain sounds that aren't proper
Speaker 6: sounds or correct sounds that that that are make music
Speaker 6: invigorating to us. Right, it's sort of this weird we
Speaker 6: we people who don't even you know, it's funny, like
Speaker 6: you talked to someone.
Speaker 3: And my people in this audience. There's no there's no
Speaker 3: shame in this.
Speaker 6: I can't even remember a time in my life where
Speaker 6: I love music, but we hear things and I couldn't
Speaker 6: differentiate between the instruments. Like if you say, oh, like
Speaker 6: that's an interesting bass on, I don't know what what
Speaker 6: is the bass? You have to really sit and explain
Speaker 6: it to me, like, oh, that's what that is. And
Speaker 6: I sometimes I still talk to people, I'm like, the
Speaker 6: song is great. It's great because listen to arrange, listen
Speaker 6: to the bass.
Speaker 3: And the guitar on the way that the horns the piccolo.
Speaker 6: Let's talking about the magic flute by the way. No,
Speaker 6: but you know, it's like in the same way, like
Speaker 6: there are sounds that aren't that weren't proper sounds, and
Speaker 6: we can't necessarily readily identify what's proper or not proper
Speaker 6: as a listener. But sometimes that that those weird the
Speaker 6: distortions or the weird things that were mistakes in the
Speaker 6: studios make the songs that we love better.
Speaker 5: Keith Richard's got his guitar tone by slashing a speaker
Speaker 5: with a switchblade, like literally ripping the cone, the paper
Speaker 5: cone of the speaker and making it vibrate against themself
Speaker 5: to get a cool tone.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of times that would happen, right, And
Speaker 6: I think, like something I can't remember the Zach specifics,
Speaker 6: but if you go and listen to the Kinks song
Speaker 6: really Got, Really Gotten, really got me, Like there's a
Speaker 6: really great distorted guitar on that. That's one of one
Speaker 6: of the early distorted guitars. And that's because like the
Speaker 6: amp was malfunctioning you or they broke it and be
Speaker 6: based on that, you know, then they go in they
Speaker 6: figure out, well, how do we get that sounding someone
Speaker 6: manufactured like a distortion pedal?
Speaker 1: You know, that's that's a good question too, because we
Speaker 1: often more and more now we we kind of hear
Speaker 1: and accept these allegations of cabal running a music industry. Right,
Speaker 1: So in your experience, we'll get to that the truth
Speaker 1: or falsity of that in a second, But in your
Speaker 1: experience personally, do you think those imperfections are more or
Speaker 1: less frequent to emerge in a finish song now? Like
Speaker 1: is there someone shutting down a thing? Or is there
Speaker 1: someone do people still have the agency to say, no,
Speaker 1: that's perfect, I don't care if the accordion's out of tune,
Speaker 1: I'm tom Waits or anything like that.
Speaker 3: You know, you know, that's a that's a that's that's
Speaker 3: a tricky question.
Speaker 6: I mean, in some ways, there's in some ways there's
Speaker 6: more freedom to make mistakes because everyone's just like, we've
Speaker 6: now gone from making a record in a studio you
Speaker 6: paid a lot of money for with guys and lab
Speaker 6: coats running the studio, to you're making a record in
Speaker 6: a studio for a lot of money with dudes who
Speaker 6: look just like they're in the band running the recording
Speaker 6: studio to the recording studios just at your house, and
Speaker 6: you may or may not even know exactly what you're
Speaker 6: doing or all the ins and outs of like the
Speaker 6: equipment that you're using, and so in some ways it's
Speaker 6: easier to make mistakes. But in terms of the music
Speaker 6: that gets to the general, you know, population, Like, I'm
Speaker 6: of the mind that pop music is it is marginally
Speaker 6: less interesting today than say in like nineteen eighty something.
Speaker 5: Or yes, and I'm obsessed with Rhythm Nation by Janet Jackson.
Speaker 5: Just a crazy sounding record, and it's because they were
Speaker 5: using all of these sixteen bit samplers that were kind
Speaker 5: of by our standards today low fi, right. But Jimmy Jams,
Speaker 5: a producer, like it sounds like an industrial record. There
Speaker 5: are sounds on this sound like drills or you know,
Speaker 5: beating on trash cans.
Speaker 3: And it was a massive pop record. When you listen
Speaker 3: to it now, it sounds fucking weird.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Janet Jackson, you can't get I mean, when when
Speaker 6: Rhythm Nation came out, could you get any bigger than
Speaker 6: Janet Jackson, like one of the most popular artists on
Speaker 6: Earth at the time. Experimental yes, yes, And I mean
Speaker 6: even you know, if you go back and you listen
Speaker 6: to you know, it's funny. I heard single Ladies recently
Speaker 6: and you're like, I like.
Speaker 3: How did this? How did how did this get released?
Speaker 3: Like this?
Speaker 6: Like this is not in a bad way, like a
Speaker 6: fascinating way, Like there are some weird sounds on that record, yes,
Speaker 6: that make like you're.
Speaker 3: Like, what is it?
Speaker 6: Like? Why?
Speaker 3: Who did who did this? I don't even know if
Speaker 3: I like it?
Speaker 1: I guess, but I'm I'm glad it has the studio
Speaker 1: just that impro training and they just kept saying like
Speaker 1: yes and at this other.
Speaker 2: Thing, yes, and he's Samberg in a leotard go in
Speaker 2: the video.
Speaker 3: I don't know about that.
Speaker 5: You know, it's funny that it depends on who you
Speaker 5: are and how much kind of clout you have, because
Speaker 5: you've got like Billie Eilish and like Phineas or brother.
Speaker 5: They make records, they make weird records, but they got
Speaker 5: big organically through like TikTok or whatever, and some people
Speaker 5: say they were that's fair.
Speaker 3: I don't have no knowledge.
Speaker 5: I'm because they found it organically just but my point is, though,
Speaker 5: it's like because of that cloud, they can kind of
Speaker 5: make records that sound the way they want to make them.
Speaker 5: And he's all about samplings, snack, you know, matches, striking
Speaker 5: and things like that, which is not the norm.
Speaker 3: I would it makes weird sounds.
Speaker 1: You said, one of my favorite phrases in these kinds
Speaker 1: of conversations. Some people say, you.
Speaker 3: Know what I mean. That's what people say.
Speaker 4: I heard.
Speaker 3: Who am I to say?
Speaker 12: Right?
Speaker 2: We're talking a lot about this, the beat boops. What
Speaker 2: about the messages and the lyrics?
Speaker 11: Guys nine, number nine, nine.
Speaker 3: Number nine, nine, familiar nines, number nine. I'm familiar with
Speaker 3: the number nine. I feel like number nine. We were
Speaker 3: talking about the Beatles. They're talking about misusing equipment. A
Speaker 3: song like this.
Speaker 5: Number Revolution, number nine or whatever on the White album
Speaker 5: is what you would call music concrete or it uses
Speaker 5: these concepts of misusing tape machines, playing things backwards, you know,
Speaker 5: manipulating sounds more like an experimental way, and that is
Speaker 5: sort of the genesis of this idea of hidden messages,
Speaker 5: whether intentional or not. You know, people like Alistair Crowley,
Speaker 5: who is a big proponent of you know, the Black Arts,
Speaker 5: believe that if you played recordings backwards, you could learn
Speaker 5: to speak backwards, and you could use that to cast
Speaker 5: spells and incantations and things like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the This is the concept that there's
Speaker 1: two guys in the couch and encountered earlier back masking.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 1: It's something that it's almost like someone is speaking a
Speaker 1: language that is very close to a language you speak,
Speaker 1: and you're kind of you're hearing parts of it. And
Speaker 1: what we wanted to do tonight with you and with
Speaker 1: all of us here is to explore some back masking examples.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I can hang around with this guy.
Speaker 3: Come on, I don't know. There's a pentagram underneath the coach.
Speaker 3: I don't understand.
Speaker 5: But there is a precedent for this, and the Beatles
Speaker 5: really kind of set the groundwork for it. We just
Speaker 5: heard is a very experimental track from the White album,
Speaker 5: and it started these rumors that Paul McCartney was dead
Speaker 5: because when you play number nine back, where as you
Speaker 5: get this.
Speaker 3: Turn me on dead man?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 3: Or?
Speaker 1: Or are we are we practicing pattern recognition?
Speaker 3: Well we're going to get to that too, for sure.
Speaker 1: What do you think a conspiracy that kind of created itself?
Speaker 1: But you're familiar with.
Speaker 3: This, I know about the Paul's that conspiracy.
Speaker 6: I gotta say, I either have never actually heard that
Speaker 6: the where it comes from, or it's just been a
Speaker 6: long enough time that I just forgotten.
Speaker 3: It's free stretch. Someone's a little too high and ran
Speaker 3: away with it.
Speaker 5: Started people talking. It started these rumblings of this idea
Speaker 5: of hidden messages. Most of them are a stretch, I
Speaker 5: would argue, and we're going to get through some and
Speaker 5: then we're going to see if we can kind of
Speaker 5: identify what they're supposedly saying. A lot of these messages
Speaker 5: were identified by Mothers Against Metal and these similar groups
Speaker 5: who believe there were hidden messages trying to convince kids
Speaker 5: to do horrible things or worships sat.
Speaker 6: They had a little bit of an agenda like underestimate
Speaker 6: parents with time on them.
Speaker 3: It's exactly.
Speaker 6: Hands Jesus, well my child, let's hear let's hear another one.
Speaker 5: Okay, let's do this is just another Beatles one really quickly.
Speaker 5: This is just also FeAs into the Paula is dead and.
Speaker 12: I'm with you.
Speaker 3: That that's a real miss miss Okay, I don't whoa
Speaker 3: what do you think? Well?
Speaker 6: I put in my rational cap on, all right, If
Speaker 6: I'm John Lennon. Yeah, and I hear that people heard
Speaker 6: that heard what they heard in that other message, and
Speaker 6: Paul is dead then yeah, I'm gonna I'm just gonna
Speaker 6: criterally say Paul is dead man, like in a kind
Speaker 6: of a weird way, but like Paul, Paul's dead man.
Speaker 5: Well, that's funny you say that, because a lot of
Speaker 5: the stuff that we're gonna hear too is people responding
Speaker 5: to the bullshit and making a little joke out of
Speaker 5: it to him Paul, and I mean, I'm sorry, John
Speaker 5: was the kind of guy that would do exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to take him, take the piss, taking
Speaker 3: the fists.
Speaker 5: Indeed, I'll turn other one. This is actually this is
Speaker 5: one of my favorites. Let's see if you can guess
Speaker 5: who make it a game? See if you can guess
Speaker 5: who the artist is or the song is and what
Speaker 5: they're supposed to be saying, we'll work together on it.
Speaker 5: The best part the next line, it sounds like he's
Speaker 5: saying there was a little tool shed where he made
Speaker 5: us suffer. Oh my sad, sad satan, Yeah, tool shed.
Speaker 6: There is a bustle in your Yeah, I think that
Speaker 6: works for multiple Why are these words for.
Speaker 5: Things topiary, perhaps make a shape.
Speaker 3: Like something a well groomed bush, like you know, keep
Speaker 3: it up.
Speaker 5: But Jimmy Page and Robert playing like it's hard enough
Speaker 5: to make music forwards.
Speaker 3: How are you gonna like hide stuff backwards? But that
Speaker 3: sounds like you say years to my sweet Satan. You guys,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I think it's a coincidence, and it is that pattern
Speaker 5: recognition Ben's talking about.
Speaker 3: But I think that one's pretty neat. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just want to play it forward when I hear that.
Speaker 3: I love that. Who's sitting playing Zeppelin backwards? Yeah?
Speaker 2: It is funny though, Just this this concept of learning
Speaker 2: that if something is taboo and you put it in
Speaker 2: your music, you can probably generate enough controversy that you might.
Speaker 3: Have a hit. Right. I think that might be the
Speaker 3: real conspiracy at play.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: I mean you can feel in because these are big
Speaker 2: bands we're talking about, right, some of man for sure.
Speaker 2: But they didn't need this to become hits. No, but
Speaker 2: it is a way to keep them.
Speaker 3: In the news.
Speaker 6: Maybeelin Zeppelin was a guess Jimmy Page was into the culture.
Speaker 1: That's true, right.
Speaker 6: And so therefore either I mean, you know, maybe it's
Speaker 6: just taking the piss again and.
Speaker 3: Maybe uh or maybe yeah, maybe.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's something? Do you think it's something?
Speaker 1: Where he was seriously trying to sell the rest of
Speaker 1: the band on it, and they were like, come on, man,
Speaker 1: it's four thirty, it's a Friday. Can we just sure, fine,
Speaker 1: fine do it. I'm sure. I'm sure they capitulated to
Speaker 1: Jimmy a lot.
Speaker 5: The tricky thing though, is like Stereoid Heaven's a really
Speaker 5: great song. It's beautiful, the melody is great, everything about
Speaker 5: so to make it sound super cool and beautiful and
Speaker 5: perfect forward just to have this secret hidden backwards message and.
Speaker 1: That's a lot.
Speaker 3: That's a tall order, tall order. It's also kind of
Speaker 3: cool if they did do it. If they did do.
Speaker 5: It, it's kind of cool Floyd Dark Side of the
Speaker 5: Moon sinking up with the Wizard of Oz, Like I
Speaker 5: really truly don't believe they could have pulled that off, but.
Speaker 3: It really does work. Great happy accident, I think so.
Speaker 3: But it's really neat.
Speaker 5: That's a really neat one's experience here. Let's let's do another. So, oh, actually,
Speaker 5: before we get to this, what I wanted to point out,
Speaker 5: so Matt said the idea of, you know, trying to
Speaker 5: do this to get some attention, whether it's wanted attention
Speaker 5: or on wanted attention.
Speaker 3: Judas Priest actually sued at.
Speaker 5: The Best of Mothers against Metal because they had a
Speaker 5: song that, supposedly, when played backwards, says do it, do it,
Speaker 5: and some unfortunately very disturbed young people took their own lives,
Speaker 5: and the Mothers blamed this hidden message that Judas pre
Speaker 5: supposedly had used to target youths to do horrible things
Speaker 5: to themselves.
Speaker 3: That's not how I would have interpreted that message, as you.
Speaker 6: First, Yeah, that's not what I would have gone with
Speaker 6: that you never got I would have done before I
Speaker 6: got through that.
Speaker 5: But okay, Nike never got in trouble and the judge
Speaker 5: threw it out because there was no sufficient evidence. And
Speaker 5: Rob Halford and their attorney said, look, if we were
Speaker 5: gonna hide hidden messages in our music, it would be like.
Speaker 3: Buy more records, not you know, he did.
Speaker 5: Take your own life to our listeners. It didn't really
Speaker 5: help us out very much.
Speaker 2: So have you guys seen those videos that supposedly are
Speaker 2: like older musicians talking about how there were some weird
Speaker 2: rituals going.
Speaker 3: On with Matt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so on board.
Speaker 2: There's some weird stuff out there that you can find,
Speaker 2: and there are actual musicians, and I cannot discern if
Speaker 2: they are joking.
Speaker 3: About what are we talking We're talking.
Speaker 1: To seventies, Yeah, in the seventies, eighties, sixties, eighties.
Speaker 2: Where you know they're it's like a single artist saying well, yeah,
Speaker 2: there there was a ritual room, did some stuff and
Speaker 2: we were putting on a new record.
Speaker 3: But anyway, it was just I never do it too
Speaker 3: seriously and you're just like a type stuff.
Speaker 2: What I can't discern if they're joking or not.
Speaker 1: Well, also, did they just go to a really weird
Speaker 1: house party? Like I think it's been at weird parties right.
Speaker 3: So very very odd.
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's do another one, Shelly, Yes, let's go back
Speaker 5: to they love.
Speaker 9: It sounds smoke marijuana.
Speaker 6: Okay, behind that that's great for you.
Speaker 3: Do you know the song and the artist Queen? That's Queen.
Speaker 6: Another one that groove ship Backwards forward silent No one,
Speaker 6: another one.
Speaker 3: So good?
Speaker 2: Wait, so where is that backwards part in the song?
Speaker 3: It's that the break.
Speaker 2: Wait, so it's just that backwards that's the reason.
Speaker 3: That's another one who writes the guests.
Speaker 2: Okay, but remember hearing it in the song when I
Speaker 2: listened to it.
Speaker 3: But hold on. So even though I support that message,
Speaker 3: so I want to believe that was really We're on.
Speaker 3: I want to believe that was real. But okay, so
Speaker 3: what's the process though? So like.
Speaker 6: That Freddie Mercury was in the studio and goes into
Speaker 6: mic and says, smoke marijuana, goy guys, guys played backwards
Speaker 6: and then it goes and he's like, and then.
Speaker 3: He yeah, that sounds kind of like that. Get back
Speaker 3: in that vocal booth. Yeah, I mean maybe.
Speaker 1: But then then the question becomes, why does the cadence
Speaker 1: sound so correct in the in the forward version? Right
Speaker 1: if the backward version was the original one.
Speaker 3: And it is an odd phrase?
Speaker 6: I got that, I mean another one by I mean,
Speaker 6: it's not that weird, but it's kind of like it's
Speaker 6: a little.
Speaker 1: They've done so they had some weird choices and lyricism,
Speaker 1: like seven seas Awry. So that what is that song about?
Speaker 1: I guess I'm reading into it too much.
Speaker 2: It's probably just I just want to ride my bicycle
Speaker 2: all the time.
Speaker 3: It's a great song.
Speaker 6: But despite that, it's like it's like that's could be
Speaker 6: a bat song very easily. I mean the line between
Speaker 6: like like greatness and like ship is like the Beatles
Speaker 6: is a ship name, like if you were like everyone,
Speaker 6: like everyone worries about naming things like the most incredible thing.
Speaker 3: Everybody's like gotta come up with the name for these things.
Speaker 3: It's gotta be like revolutionary, and it's gotta be short.
Speaker 6: It's gotta have a hit, a message, and it's like
Speaker 6: the Beatles, I wouldn't be the fucking Beatles and it's
Speaker 6: gonna be like it sucks, but it's honestly the greatest
Speaker 6: name ever. So it's like it's just what they did
Speaker 6: with the name, you know, like they became the greatest
Speaker 6: man ever, were like the Beatles.
Speaker 3: That's fucking awesome. It's kind of easier.
Speaker 1: It's kind of easier to back back then because there
Speaker 1: were fewer bands that had already called names even.
Speaker 6: Which makes it even more of like egregious, like pick
Speaker 6: a better fucking name. I just had Smoking Robinson in
Speaker 6: the podcast. He was like unbroken Record and he was like,
Speaker 6: you know, I started like listening back to motown stuff again.
Speaker 6: I'm like the Supremes the Miracles, the four these are
Speaker 6: fucking names.
Speaker 3: These are this is incredible.
Speaker 5: But then we had the Indy Sleeves era where the
Speaker 5: thus came back and we got the Strokes, the yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: There's more. I just wanted a snake why why different?
Speaker 5: If you guys don't mind, though, I would love to
Speaker 5: end the game on a couple of intentional ones that
Speaker 5: I think are really fun. Because we talked about Yeah,
Speaker 5: I think you're right, it's a tall order to get
Speaker 5: this in there in the way that you would be
Speaker 5: intended to be heard and communicate a subliminal message. But
Speaker 5: this legacy of this is legendary in the music world,
Speaker 5: and so there's folks kind of picked up on that
Speaker 5: sort of made that a little fun with it.
Speaker 3: So let's try. Let's hear a couple of those.
Speaker 7: Carry car.
Speaker 3: Can you guess who the artist is?
Speaker 7: At least?
Speaker 3: Can you play it again? Yeah? What you said you
Speaker 3: two is a two in it? Who the B fifty
Speaker 3: two is? Okay? Okay, that's right, Let's play it here.
Speaker 3: That's that's the forward versions got the backwards message in it.
Speaker 3: Here is what it sounds like. We used to play
Speaker 3: the record backwards.
Speaker 4: Record watch out.
Speaker 1: So that one clearly done on purpose. Leaning into this.
Speaker 1: You play your record backwards, watch.
Speaker 3: Out, you might ruin your needle.
Speaker 2: But I buried my parents.
Speaker 3: I buried my parakeet in the backyard.
Speaker 1: You get in situations.
Speaker 3: It's true, it's true. Okay, And this is the last.
Speaker 7: One guy, and arguably the horniest song of all.
Speaker 3: Time, darling nicky.
Speaker 5: And this is at the end of the song as
Speaker 5: a f u to the record industry and to these
Speaker 5: puritanical folks. And he's obviously a devout religious man. Jeh
Speaker 5: whit is when I'm mistaken.
Speaker 3: But not he was lapsed. I think this fair enough,
Speaker 3: but this is what But well do you tell me?
Speaker 3: And when you hear this, I.
Speaker 6: Like that song.
Speaker 5: It's the end of that Doctor basically hit a Bible
Speaker 5: verse in horning a song of all time.
Speaker 3: I just love that's so Prince, Well, the Lord is coming.
Speaker 3: We could talk about the phrase. Maybe it's not talking.
Speaker 3: That's good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, again open to interpretation, but we see we
Speaker 1: see something here through this exploration that shows us there's
Speaker 1: like music is technically math, but there's something inexplicable about it.
Speaker 1: There's something that I think naturally lends itself to the
Speaker 1: conspiratorial and when we were talking about it didn't take
Speaker 1: us long, folks. We were hanging out and talking about
Speaker 1: just the idea of sound and conspiracy. We got to
Speaker 1: the music industry, We got to some of your your
Speaker 1: takes on the biggest conspiracy theories in the world of music,
Speaker 1: one of which would be just simply put Paola's Paola real.
Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, yeah, it was in in in I mean,
Speaker 6: it was a huge scandal and we worked for iHeartRadio.
Speaker 3: We had to take classes about pale We did we.
Speaker 1: Know they were They were very specifically for people more famous.
Speaker 5: Old school though Paola is a product of old school radio, right,
Speaker 5: old school broadcast.
Speaker 6: I mean it apparently continued in forms and such. I mean,
Speaker 6: you know, but yeah, it was like it was like
Speaker 6: I wasn't there were like congressional hearing. It was like
Speaker 6: a big deal, like this was happening because it was
Speaker 6: distorting in the marketplace.
Speaker 3: D mean that you pay to play, right, you pay
Speaker 3: to play yeah, right.
Speaker 6: You go to a disc jockey and it's like here's
Speaker 6: this new record and here's uh, here's a hundred bucks
Speaker 6: you know, or whatever would have been equivalent a hundred bucks.
Speaker 1: Oh, Wow, day right, we got to adjust for inflation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's he's yeah, here's a nickel.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I have to admit I'm guilty of this. When I
Speaker 2: was in a band in college, I tried to pay
Speaker 2: the disc jockey at eighty eight point five in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: That's that's our college radio station.
Speaker 3: I didn't know.
Speaker 2: I just was like, will you take money and take
Speaker 2: my record?
Speaker 1: Did it work?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 12: No?
Speaker 3: Cc no? But justin what do you say as we
Speaker 3: wrap up the show?
Speaker 5: Do you have any conspiracy theories in the music industry
Speaker 5: that are like you gotta just get off your chet?
Speaker 3: Ah? Do I have any?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Man, you're comfortable talking.
Speaker 3: I can't talk about anything that I know about. I
Speaker 3: don't know anything well, you know, I mean, I mean.
Speaker 6: You know, I mean think about what we think about
Speaker 6: like Kendrick Lamar Okay, Drake manufacturer? Is there some manufacturing
Speaker 6: going on or is that a real I don't know
Speaker 6: what record. Everyone's mad at Drake, I mean from I'm
Speaker 6: from l A. My family's from Compton, So you know,
Speaker 6: come on, what am I gonna say? I'm gonna say
Speaker 6: anything against Kendrick, But everyone's mad about the Drake lawsuits.
Speaker 3: I'm kind of interested. I'm kind of like, I'm interested
Speaker 3: what will come out of that. I don't know if
Speaker 3: much will because I think will.
Speaker 6: Drake is suing Universal Music Group, which is like they
Speaker 6: have their their and let me let me please, guys,
Speaker 6: I love Universal Music Group, by the way, so I
Speaker 6: don't want to love music Universal Music Group. I mean
Speaker 6: they have a wonderful catalog. I think they have wonderful leadership,
Speaker 6: wonderful teams. Yeah, there wonderful facilities, incredible, let me job.
Speaker 6: I love Universal Music Group. But their market share is like,
Speaker 6: you know, over like roughly a third and sometimes more.
Speaker 6: Sometimes rightly call them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're huge.
Speaker 6: You know, there's only three major record labels, and they're
Speaker 6: far and away the largest and most important, and both
Speaker 6: Drake and Kendrick are signed to them, and Drake is
Speaker 6: now suing them, saying that they basically engaged in modern
Speaker 6: forms of payola, which is like using bot farms to
Speaker 6: create and and and influencers to you know, sort of
Speaker 6: increase the places of Kendrick Lamar's not like us in order.
Speaker 3: To defame Drake, and so that's his thing.
Speaker 6: The additional conspiracy on top of that that the Internet
Speaker 6: is running away with is that Universal did it because
Speaker 6: Drake's due to renegotiate his contract with UMG, and obviously
Speaker 6: Drake is worth a lot of money. And if I'm
Speaker 6: Drake and I got to renegotiate with Universal Music Group,
Speaker 6: who I know is like the biggest, you know, most.
Speaker 3: Money making, most wonderful and beautiful and excellent.
Speaker 6: Music company out there, along with Warner and so like
Speaker 6: that like as like there's a lot of money here,
Speaker 6: Like let me like what like and I've made a
Speaker 6: lot of money for you, Like this contract is going
Speaker 6: to be a contract, and so like they're saying that
Speaker 6: they purposely you know, boosted that and maybe maybe even
Speaker 6: manufactured to remove his leverage, to move his leverage and contract.
Speaker 1: And the British would call that.
Speaker 5: Dirty pool, Yeah they would. Well, I've got one follow
Speaker 5: up there. There's this dude, Jason Pargan and if you
Speaker 5: wrote yeah daily so he's he makes these fun little
Speaker 5: YouTube videos just kind of commenting on pop culture type stuff.
Speaker 5: And he pointed out that he thought it was really
Speaker 5: strange that the song not Like Us Like accuses a
Speaker 5: dude of being a sex predator, a pedophile basically and
Speaker 5: that it's getting like TikTok and he's looking straight into
Speaker 5: the camera on the Super Bowl and saying this stuff
Speaker 5: and people are shouting and like it's a fun thing,
Speaker 5: and it's like incredibly defamatory.
Speaker 3: I don't want I don't want to go again again again.
Speaker 6: I got my my rooster on content, man, So I
Speaker 6: don't really want to really disparage Kendrick in any sort
Speaker 6: of way. But I feel like this is a safe
Speaker 6: place to say this. Sure, And I'm not really saying anything.
Speaker 6: I'm just sort of like wondering in questioning, I'm wondering.
Speaker 6: I'm just curious in general about our society's obsessional with
Speaker 6: pedophil Like obviously, like it's a terrible thing, like obviously, right,
Speaker 6: got it?
Speaker 3: Like, but it's like why are universally bad?
Speaker 6: Yeah, but why why do we all walk around like we,
Speaker 6: I mean people walk around like talking about it, like
Speaker 6: as if like to say, like, I am not a
Speaker 6: pedoph It's like, well, I.
Speaker 3: Don't assume most people that I meet are, Yeah, but
Speaker 3: we are obsessed with it. And it makes me wonder
Speaker 3: like maybe there are more. I don't know, Like it
Speaker 3: just freaks me out.
Speaker 6: But there's a lot of conspiracies around pedophilia, absolutely, especially
Speaker 6: in the political world, the music world, I'm sure in
Speaker 6: all the other worlds. But what is our society's obsession
Speaker 6: with pedophilia? I wonder if in twenty Houston I will
Speaker 6: look back at it. I think it's kind of weird
Speaker 6: and if that like a minor you know line is
Speaker 6: not just like the peak pinnacle strangeness of it all,
Speaker 6: Like why are we obsessed with this?
Speaker 1: It's say, it's an iteration of I mean, part of it,
Speaker 1: we could argue is it's the following phase one. It's
Speaker 1: a It's something that despite any demographic difference, everyone can
Speaker 1: agree is just horrific and bad. Right, unite, right, So.
Speaker 3: Why do we need to watch? So why do we
Speaker 3: need to be dead? We know he doesn't know what
Speaker 3: this is. I mean, you we'll do it, but we then.
Speaker 1: We Here's what Because it is so bad, it can
Speaker 1: be weaponized to like associate, being right to associate?
Speaker 6: So what was like the nineteenes because okay, so like
Speaker 6: what was like in the nineteen seventies, what was a scoundrel?
Speaker 3: That's that's like a philanderer? Like what was like what
Speaker 3: was the great like the thing that they just yeah,
Speaker 3: like leverage, Yeah, gotcha, gotch.
Speaker 2: So we we made a show about the Atlanta missing
Speaker 2: murdered case back several years ago called Atlanta Monster. And
Speaker 2: in the coverage from the late seventies in Atlanta, like
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy eight, when they're talking about those who abused children,
Speaker 2: they didn't have the word pedophile and it wasn't used,
Speaker 2: and a lot of these the terminology wasn't even used
Speaker 2: for this kind of thing because it wasn't in the
Speaker 2: zeitgeist to think about that type, that specific type of heinous.
Speaker 6: Abuse of children. And it was that wasn't like investigated.
Speaker 6: It wasn't like a unit of the police department.
Speaker 3: No, no, it is not.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: But again, like sex crimes in general, that kind of
Speaker 2: stuff like that that comes later where there's specialization in
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. So I think what I'm just
Speaker 2: my only argument is that the Internet revealed a lot
Speaker 2: of horrifying things to humanity.
Speaker 1: Sure, there aren't more skeletons in the closet, there are
Speaker 1: just more flashlights, yes, And then.
Speaker 2: We find out things about very prominent individuals you know
Speaker 2: that people grew up watching for decades or you love
Speaker 2: that well, I'm just saying, you learn those things right,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden a bit of the
Speaker 2: illusion is shattered what reality is.
Speaker 1: So maybe you start to assume there's a higher likelihood
Speaker 1: than you once assumed, or something like that.
Speaker 6: Because like the way, we don't like hitchhike anymore, because
Speaker 6: we kind of understand that's actually.
Speaker 3: We don't walk around like we don't like I mean,
Speaker 3: I guess maybe do we. I don't know, we don't.
Speaker 6: We don't talk about it all that much anymore, right,
Speaker 6: Like would be great to get to that place where
Speaker 6: we're not constantly It's.
Speaker 3: Kind of like my own second. It's more like I
Speaker 3: don't know, like we're.
Speaker 1: Not constantly warning each other about hitch hiking. Yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: and we all understand, hey, what are you doing after
Speaker 1: the show? Better not be hitchhiking.
Speaker 6: Another way, in another way, though, haven't we lost a
Speaker 6: lot when we lost like the hitch hiking as a
Speaker 6: good thing, Like this is a very romantic thing.
Speaker 1: Like maybe I wish I could, I wish I could hitchhike.
Speaker 1: But you're right, that's why it's such a great comparison.
Speaker 1: The zeitgeist got in my head. I am convinced that
Speaker 1: if I if I tried to hitchhike in this country,
Speaker 1: then the only people who would pick me up would
Speaker 1: be people I don't want to hang out.
Speaker 3: We take ubers all the time, and somehow that's safe and.
Speaker 1: That's more transactional, Like it's true.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying it's it's by the way, Like just
Speaker 3: like if anyone who picked.
Speaker 6: Up a hitch hiker was like a serial killer, Like
Speaker 6: I'm pretty sure like the police would get that pretty squid,
Speaker 6: that pretty easy, open and shut, like send the undercover
Speaker 6: out the hitch the undercover hitchhiker.
Speaker 3: Yeah maybe maybe maybe maybe that exists.
Speaker 1: That exists, but we do know something that exists for sure.
Speaker 1: We've had Thank you so much for being with us, folks.
Speaker 3: The audience exists.
Speaker 1: Exist also a conspiracy at foot big thanks to National
Speaker 1: saw Dust. Big thanks to you, and big thanks to you.
Speaker 1: Justin here's one of my favorite conspiracies. I hear it's
Speaker 1: true that you are making another appearance at this very venue.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, that was masterful.
Speaker 6: Oh goodness, I know with this, Yes, yeah, yeah, I'll
Speaker 6: be here Friday night at seven thirty seven thirty seven
Speaker 6: thirty start time.
Speaker 15: With Daniel Lanoi who so coo great, great, great producer, incredible,
Speaker 15: you know, one of the originals of ambient music along
Speaker 15: with Brian Eno and you know together they produced You Too.
Speaker 3: And he did the Dylan comeback will.
Speaker 6: He did Old Mercy and Time out of Mind, which
Speaker 6: is like the big nineties come back Dylan record, and
Speaker 6: like you.
Speaker 3: Know, Peter Gabriel so and so many other things. I
Speaker 3: just really interesting guy.
Speaker 6: He's gonna have his pedal steel, all lot of stuff
Speaker 6: and we'll talk about some stuff.
Speaker 3: We can't be here, I got we gotta go to
Speaker 3: another thing. Don't tell people that don't actually they will
Speaker 3: be here, to be here. That'll be here.
Speaker 5: Every huge Brian and a fan, huge Daniel and one
Speaker 5: fun Really that's awesome that you're gonna get to to
Speaker 5: talk to him and so again, thank you.
Speaker 1: Justin we're gonna hang out. Uh, the bar is open
Speaker 1: for a little while if you like, if you like
Speaker 1: to hop Okay, cool, I was yeah, I was just
Speaker 1: trying to push that one. Yeah, that's great if I
Speaker 1: say it loud enough, big big thanks of course to
Speaker 1: Scott and Eric. Let's have a hand Yay.
Speaker 3: We got Garth up in the booth here. We got Mary.
Speaker 1: We got Mary l who else we got up there whilst.
Speaker 3: We got up there, Cody, we got Tandy. Oh, we
Speaker 3: got so many cute amazing that helped out. They just
Speaker 3: work here in her cool.
Speaker 12: We got you.
Speaker 3: You're Matt, my name's Matt. We got you to me,
Speaker 3: no hright, we got Scott.
Speaker 1: We got Eric Eric sounds.
Speaker 5: I got a great band on Sports Code And if
Speaker 5: you're into a weird ambient.
Speaker 3: Music, you should talk to him and buy one of
Speaker 3: his records.
Speaker 1: And thank you guys so much for being.
Speaker 11: Called me Ben.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
Speaker 6: Folks.
Speaker 3: We'll see you soon.
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