WEBVTT - STDWYTK Presents: A Conspiracy of Sound, Live in Brooklyn 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:06.480 Fellow conspiracy realist, we are returning with an adventure. Now 0:00:06.519 --> 0:00:11.080 often you will hear Matt and Nol and myself refer 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:15.360 to one of us as on adventures. Turns out, on Wednesday, 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:20.040 February nineteenth, twenty twenty five, we had quite an adventure 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:24.040 together and we're proudly presenting it to you this evening. 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:28.880 Yeah, we hung out together at the National Sawdust in Brooklyn, 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:31.920 New York as part of the on AirFest twenty twenty five. 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:32.920 Brooklyn. 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:37.840 Guys, this has been called the Coachella of podcasts. Company 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:42.720 your company, Yes, and Wired called it the future of podcasting. 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:43.200 Man. 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:45.240 Oh, I like the latter one the best. 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:49.080 Yeah, for that one, to be clear, not this specific 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:51.159 show you're about to listen to, but on AirFest. 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:56.000 On AirFest, which is a fantastic thing. I think we 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:59.440 got a second date. We put our heads together and 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:05.480 we started asking about the conspiracies inherent in the concept 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:09.920 of sound and Noel, you put together a team that 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:15.360 played live music, responding to the audience for about an 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:19.679 hour before we even opened, with help from our friends 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:20.640 at Force got Hey. 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:22.840 I know, less of a team, more of a ragtag 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:26.280 bunch of synth nerds. But yeah, my buddy Eric from 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:29.800 the band fors Ghosts so done some production work with 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:31.400 if you want to check out. They've got an EP 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:34.920 out actually called Recycled Hearts that I did a remix 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:36.600 of one of their songs on if you want to 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:38.280 check that out, And I think we'll probably put the 0:01:38.360 --> 0:01:41.200 music stuff out eventually that we. 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:42.080 Did for this event. 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:45.199 But the live show itself actually also contained some fun 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:49.120 sound design and some original music by mister Eric Kinlaw 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:51.800 and myself as well in this cool kind of radio 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:54.400 play that you wrote, Ben, and that we actually figured 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:57.040 out how to perform live with live sound effects and 0:01:57.200 --> 0:02:00.240 music and surround sound and everything. 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:05.200 With the PlayStation five controller, and I made a pretty 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:08.560 fun little compilation of our old YouTube videos to go 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:11.280 over top of when Nol and team were playing music. 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:14.000 And it was a delightful thing to behold in this 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:17.040 all red place. But you're not going to experience any 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:18.880 of that. What you were going to hear is the 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:21.800 moment we walked on stage as stuff they don't want 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:24.359 you to know. To do our episode. 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:26.280 Yes on a Conspiracy of Sound, and we talk a 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:29.280 little bit about the science of sound and psy optics 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:32.399 of sound along with all kinds of other things, including 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:37.200 a fun game we played with some backwards masking messages. 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:41.880 And we have a third act, a legendary guest at 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:45.840 the end of the show, none other than Justin Richmond. 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:48.079 Yeap from the Broken Record podcast. 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:51.919 Part of why we are giving you just like the quick, 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:56.960 skinny context of this is this performance does contain what 0:02:57.120 --> 0:03:00.600 stand up comedy calls blue or strong language. 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:02.880 We've just had a real potty mouth. 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:09.680 There are some wild language in hereio indeed, all right, 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:11.040 then on with the show. 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:20.120 From ufons to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:24.560 riddled with unexplained defense. You can turn back now or 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:43.640 learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hey, check, check. 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:47.480 What everybody doing? 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:51.200 Yeah, human being, how did you like our music? 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:52.640 Concrete performance? 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:58.440 Okay, okay, big ants, my pal nole there as well 0:03:58.520 --> 0:03:59.880 as we've got Scott and a. 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:03.440 Rick, You guys, all of you, indeed. 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:06.000 Anybody with the courage to reach it into U, your 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:08.920 heart of hearts, your soul of souls and share a 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:10.559 story into that microphone. 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:11.480 There were fragments. 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:14.160 This told a whole story in some form or fashion, 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:16.000 maybe just a word someone say. 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:19.839 He immediately, Yeah, it was yeah, of course it was. Yeah, 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:21.640 I said a bunch of times. 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:23.800 Oh yeah, Well I felt like you were summoning me. 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:26.440 I was was doing stuff. Then I was deeping and booping. 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:27.360 Who are you though? 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:30.120 Hi? My name is Matt, my name is Nola. 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:34.840 They called me Ben. Most importantly, you are you. You 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:37.680 are here that makes this stuff. They don't want you 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:41.919 to know live that the legendary national sawdust here in Brooklyn. 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:46.480 Is it legendary? Yes? 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:46.840 It is? 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:47.560 Now, yeah it is. 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:50.280 It feels Look at this place, I know, look at 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:52.120 the whole. I can't tell which way is up. It's 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:53.600 very Yeah. 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:56.640 Did anybody ever play mass effect? Anybody in this room? 0:04:56.800 --> 0:05:00.080 Not a single one. It feels like we're on a 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:01.000 ship in mass effect. 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:01.520 That's all I say. 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:05.040 It feels cool up here. And it also hears cool, 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:07.040 which is a thing I think I can get away 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:09.680 within the English lagus Here's cool. 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:10.320 Here's true. 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:10.640 Why not? 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:14.680 It's a malleable thing, the English lange us here cool 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:15.200 around here? 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:19.719 I heard tell it here's cool, and we are excited 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:23.360 to join you guys tonight with something we call the 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:27.760 conspiracy of sound. Sound is everywhere around us. We can 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:33.400 notice it, especially here in this legendary venu. We also 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:36.760 ignore a lot of sound, and it's so strange. It 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:39.320 reminds me a little bit of the old David Foster 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:42.360 Wallace quote where a fish goes up to the other 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:45.800 fish and is like, what it's crazy. We're swimming around 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:48.159 water and the fish says, what's water? 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:51.520 Yeah? It just kind of exists in that medium. They 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:52.919 don't really give it too much thought. 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:57.640 Is there a technical definition of what a sound is? 0:05:57.720 --> 0:05:59.880 You know, there is mass, you know, we've got it right. 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:03.359 I don't know as science ever nailed down what a 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:04.080 sound is. 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:06.280 Oh my gosh. All right, so we have some problems 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:09.440 with this one. We'll give you the actual facts definition 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:14.400 of sound. Sound is a mechanical disturbance from a state 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:18.799 of equilibrium that propagates through as an elastic material medium. 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:20.679 It's a disturbance that sounds negative. 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:24.919 It's also technically accurate, which means it's practically not helpful. 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:28.080 So in the way that the water is medium, the 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:30.719 medium for us the fish to swim around, and obviously 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:32.320 sound can travel through water as well. 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:33.160 For us, it's just. 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:36.040 Literally we're picking up our ear machines or picking up 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:37.280 vibrations in the air. 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:39.440 It's all this stuff because there's a lot of stuff 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:42.480 out there, you just can't see it in particulates. 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:43.279 It's true. 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:45.640 I mean, I'm a giant music nerd, as you can 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:49.520 maybe tell, but I still to this day am mystified 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:52.599 and baffled by the idea of You know, we literally 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:56.360 can interpret vibrating particles of air. 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:58.520 As like beautiful music. 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:01.160 That can like move us to tears, and language that 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:04.440 can hold concepts like acoustics. 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:08.119 Right, well, let's okay, We've got a lot of stuff 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:11.080 to get into tonight, folks, and the best way to 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:13.800 do it shout out to our old alma matter, an 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:18.880 outfit called how Stuff Works. If you remember that. 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:18.880 That's nerds. 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:23.320 Yeah, all right, welcome back. We wanted to give just 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:28.120 a more helpful, more practical definition of what sound is. 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:30.720 It's a constant experience for a lot of us. It 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:34.200 is also a widely misunderstood thing. So, guys, if we 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:38.640 were going to talk about the building blocks of sound, 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:41.720 right the notes in the composition of the idea of sound, 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:43.480 what will we be talking about. 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:45.720 There's a couple of different terms. I mean, you can 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:48.120 plot this on a graph. If anyone's ever messed within 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:53.120 a scilloscope. It's a way of visually interpreting and understanding 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:55.560 and measuring sound waves that travel through the air. 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:56.920 And there's a couple of different terms. 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:59.520 We've got frequency, so the number of sound waves that 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:03.440 can pass a given point. That's measured in wave lengths, 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:05.080 you know, so you've got like the peak and the 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:07.840 trough of a wave. There's different kinds of waves, like 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:10.440 in synthesis, you've got like a sine wave, which is 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:13.200 sort of a pure tone, it's like, and then you 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:15.480 got a saw tooth wave, which has more harmonic so 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:18.920 it's more like and all of these sounds that are 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:22.680 used to make weird beetboop music is literally just recreating 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:26.880 things that occur naturally in nature when you're redundant. 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:27.960 But I'm okay with that. 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:30.520 I think that's why this performance is so cool and 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:34.600 fits what we just did, because you're manipulating specifically those 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:37.040 those sound waves in like sine waves. 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:37.760 Well yeah, right. 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:42.440 And it's interesting because frequency in music can be registered 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:45.800 as pitch, Like if you've got an oscillating sound. 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:48.080 Wave, and if it's really slow, it's going to be 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:48.839 a low tone. 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:51.439 And as it gets faster and faster and faster, it 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:55.840 can change to a higher pitch. And it's frequency is 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:58.840 something that is used all kinds of ways in sound design, 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:01.960 whether it be you know, creating a tremolo effect that 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:06.319 is registered as a speed. You know, like the frequency 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:08.800 is how fast or slow that oscilla is. But if 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:10.880 once you get into what it's called audio rate, that's 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:13.240 when you start perceiving it as pitch. 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:16.920 I'm done, end of end of music. Nerd rants. 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:21.920 Way more So we got to talk about this term 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:23.720 hurts because a lot of people have heard this, and 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:26.680 you're not in you know, the audio industry in some capacity, 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:28.720 you probably don't know what that really means. 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:31.800 So I still don't really know, not the not the 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:32.960 rental company. 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:35.480 Well that it's a measurement of the frequency of sounds. 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:39.559 So it's the number of those waves that pass per cycle. Yeah, persiton, 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:41.880 which is generally measured in a second if you're using 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:45.520 hurts right. And then when human beings walk around, we 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:48.079 can only hear between what's the spectrum that humans can 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:53.040 hear between? Like you guys, yes, most of us are humans. 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:55.560 I think don't we have a thing? I think we 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:57.200 have a thing? Right, should I play the thing? 0:09:57.559 --> 0:09:57.960 Not yet? 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:01.960 Yet an experiment, but I just want to establish this 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:06.000 between twenty hurts and twenty thousand hurts is generally accepted 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:08.559 to be the human beings hearing spectrum. 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:10.200 That's what I have a thing for that. You know, 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:12.160 we are going to talk about it. I really want 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:13.559 to do the whole point, guy, I know. 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:15.679 The whole point is to set up that there are 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:19.360 things called infrasound which are below that level that you 0:10:19.360 --> 0:10:24.320 can hear, and they're what's the ultra Ever had a child, 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:27.400 You are familiar with that term, but it just means 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:29.199 higher than you can hear from. 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:31.120 Why did I just immediately and not think about that, 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:33.040 but just thought about it like mega cool sound? 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:34.520 It's ultraed. 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:41.520 And then there's no, there's decibel. That's just the unit 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:43.960 used to measure the intensity of a sound. 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:45.680 Yes, yes, yes. 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:50.199 And we can we can go back and forth comparing sounds, 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:54.080 and everybody this is the thing. Everybody in this room 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:57.319 has a unique experience. What we have described to you 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:02.960 are the scientific commonalities, objective stuff, the language, the language, 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:06.520 yes just so, the notes and the composition. However, your 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:12.640 sonic mileage may vary even right now in here and 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:18.600 outside of here. The world is riddled, so there's so 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:23.600 much sound that just to survive your average day, your brain, 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:27.319 without your knowledge nor your consent, actively works to make 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:30.520 you ignore I'll say it. We're live a bunch of 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:31.760 shit so much. 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:33.280 Yeah, yeah, naughty boy. 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:37.080 I heard about a study the other day that apparently 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:42.679 jen z are losing that ability because of noise canceling headphones. 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:45.040 WHOA have you guys heard about this? You hear about this, 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:45.520 You know about this. 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:47.480 It makes sense if you think about it, because the 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:52.040 noise canceling headphones use some kind of phase technology to 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:55.000 cancel out the noise outside in the world. So when 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:57.760 you're constantly experiencing that, your brain almost like kind of 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:01.480 loses the ability to do it naturally. And it's causing 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:04.360 some simulation, yes, exactly. And then there was a name 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:07.199 for it in the article that I completely should have remembered. 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:11.400 But there's a particular type of condition that is being 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:13.920 developed more and more by folks. 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:16.640 Who used noise canceling heads called getting hit by cars. 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:20.319 Well, that's its own things, that's its own occupational hazard. 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:23.800 But but I just made me think of that, because 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:27.520 it really our brains are designed to filter out those sounds. 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:29.679 But when we use technology to do it for us, 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:32.360 the brain kind of atrophies are that part that does it, 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:32.679 you know. 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:35.559 Yeah, And that's the thing Earth is not to get 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:39.199 too woo about it. Earth is alive. Collectively. We can 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:43.960 call this planet its own huge living mago organism. And 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:48.640 like every other living thing, Earth is constantly making noise. Right, 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:50.679 it's never gonna shut up. You know, you're not going 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:53.200 to win that conversation with the planet. You can have 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:55.120 some headphones and get hit by a car. 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:59.800 White noise machine. Some people use noise to mask noise. 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.680 Yeah, Like my good buddy Jordan run talking, I hope 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:05.800 it is here is He has a white noise machine 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:07.959 by his bed and I never understood it until I 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:10.880 go at his place and now I can't go back. 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:14.920 It's like it's weird. It's like it's comforting in some way. 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:16.520 But when you live in a big city and you 0:13:16.559 --> 0:13:20.240 have this constant from right, that's a way of masking out. 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:21.720 Also, therapists like to use. 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:23.319 This so the people in the waiting room don't hear 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:24.720 your deepest, darkest secrets. 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:29.480 Well hopefully so there's an ambient sound level that exists 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:32.280 wherever you are, right sure, and in this city I 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:35.040 watched on the plane goal I watched what was it 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:37.880 called quiet Place to No, it was a quiet place, 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:43.040 the earliest quiet place the first day. And there's a 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:45.800 title card when you when that movie first starts, and 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:48.760 it says the average decibel level in New York City 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:56.760 is ninety hurts, so sorry, but it says that that 0:13:56.920 --> 0:14:00.960 is the basically decibel level of a human screen. So 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:02.560 then upon further looking into it. 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:04.079 Oh and by the way, shout out to the guy 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:06.920 who just somberly nodded, like, why did you already know. 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:08.920 That it is? Just watched it too on a plane. 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:09.760 I'm sure so it. 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:10.200 Uh. 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:13.040 The whole point is a conversation. 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:15.200 So if we're just sitting here talking, not yelling into 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:17.880 a mic the way I am, at least right now, 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:20.520 this is about seventy decibels. If you're standing across from 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:23.040 you having that conversation, and if I'm screaming at you, 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:24.600 that's about ninety decibels. 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:25.160 And that is. 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:28.400 Sands Mike sounds like just walking around. 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:30.080 That just blew my mind. 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:32.960 And that means you have to, as a matter of 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:36.720 survival and sanity, you have to cut yourself off from 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:39.880 a lot of the noises that surround you, right, And 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:42.680 I'm not talking about like arguments with a significant other. 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:45.880 I mean just walking down the street. I'll talk about 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:49.880 or not I saw you not. And so we also 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:52.600 we know though that there's still a lot of science 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:55.440 people have not figured out about this, right, There's still 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:59.240 a lot of noises that we can't explain. Have you 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:01.240 guys ever heard of the bloop? 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:06.280 Mm? Yes, okay, that's the bluep you guys, let's talk 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:09.840 about the bloop. Now, that's what the blue is, Matt. 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:11.120 It's so funny in that clip. 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:13.400 You can't even really hear the there it is. 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:16.560 It's a really weird sound. 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:20.440 It's athlu askue creature coming coming at us from the deep. 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:20.720 Well. 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:23.080 Yeah, it was a sound that was recorded by microphones 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:26.480 that are in the ocean, and scientists were baffled, like 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:29.640 what in the heck made that sound? And you know, 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:32.400 some of the weirdos thought, hey, maybe that was like. 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:34.600 A see maybe a creature out there in the sea. 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:40.240 Esque tentacled demons in the depths, craft, some large mammal, 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:42.840 you know, some large fish that we just haven't discovered yet. 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:45.000 They could exist in the deep deep ocean because it 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:48.560 was such a long and strange sound that seemed to 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:50.280 raise up I was looping it. 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:52.480 By the way, it doesn't just go on forever like that. 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:55.480 Yeah, it is like a singular it is deep sea 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:57.800 farr it is it is? 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:01.080 Yeah what an ended up being, Matt. 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:05.600 It ended up It ended up being U the glacial 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:09.840 version of a tectonic plate ship. The glaciers were cracking, 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:15.080 and scientists had abstractly predicted this but kind of got 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:19.240 the time window wrong. So this was a real oh 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:21.920 shit moment when they figured out, hey, it's not a 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:25.080 cool sea monster from our buddy HP Lovecraft. 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:27.640 It's really thought that though it was just us. 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:31.560 It's a glacier going mobile man, okay, and now and 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:33.680 now this brings us. So we explained that one. But 0:16:33.720 --> 0:16:38.040 there's another noise that still has not been explained, and 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:41.400 it's one of the one of the weirdest continual phenomena 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:43.800 across the planet in the world of sound. 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:46.600 We're talking about the hum. We got the bluep and 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:49.760 we got the hum. These are great the um has anyone. 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:54.400 Here ever experienced, just like while you're in your apartment, 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:56.760 just here like this background. 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:58.360 Well, Matt, do you remember earlier we were in a 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:00.960 coffee shop or something or pizza guy in front of 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:03.560 us goes, do you hear like this sixty. 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:05.520 Cycle hum right now? And we were like, you have 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:08.480 no idea. We've been like literally thinking about nothing but that, 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:10.600 and no, I do not hear it. You're losing your mind, sir. 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:13.480 Well, And in what what we do as humans, we 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:15.720 try and find a source, right, So if there's event 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:17.920 or you know, you can tell there's a fan somewhere, 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:20.480 like maybe there's a homecoming from over there, maybe it's 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:23.760 some other mechanical device that's just causing that standing wave. 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:26.280 But in this case, it's like a standing wave that 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:28.080 is just outside somewhere. 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:30.600 Tell us what a standing wave is, Matt. We've talked 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:34.680 about sound waves. They can actually collect like and sort 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:37.439 of hang out in corners. If anyone's ever been to 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:40.520 a recording studio, there's a lot of techniques that are 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:43.159 used to keep standing waves from happening because they can 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:46.440 totally mess with the way that you perceive other sounds 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:50.320 by interfering with them. So basically, low frequencies can collect 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:53.040 in corners and in studios, they use things called base 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:56.440 traps to keep that from happening. They're like really expensive 0:17:56.440 --> 0:17:59.240 pieces of insulation, is what they basically are. But they 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:03.679 keep the those waveforms from collecting and changing the shape 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:06.159 of the room and the way sound waves kind of 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:08.919 bounce around and refract. I'm sorry, I asked you to 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:10.879 describe it, and then I went and described it. 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:14.720 Than This makes me think of one of my favorite 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:18.119 sound conspiracies, which is infrasounds. 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:22.080 Yes, right, it's the lol right ultra. 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:27.320 And this is just real quick, I don't know, just 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:31.159 show of hands. Does anyone hear no judgment, genuinely believe 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:32.960 in ghost Yeah? 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:37.880 Okay, write it down. You gotta got some true believers, Okay, 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:38.440 all right. 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:42.080 So it turns out that once upon a time a 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:45.840 guy who is very skeptical, his name Big Tandy, engineer, 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:50.199 super skeptical. Uh you you have to prove something to 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:52.200 me beyond the shadow of a doubt, no matter how 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:53.040 innocuous you. 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:56.520 Say, Vic Tandy. Yes, yeah. And this is also James Randy, 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:58.040 who's also a real skepticist. 0:18:58.160 --> 0:18:58.360 Yeah. 0:18:58.520 --> 0:18:59.920 Different, what's the deal of that, guys? 0:18:59.920 --> 0:19:01.680 I think it's their last names, right? 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:06.479 Something us about Big Tandy? 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:09.639 As I was saying, he is working alone kind of 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:13.520 late at night in this rectangular lab, and it's not 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:17.200 a super impressive lab. It's not like super duper high security, 0:19:17.280 --> 0:19:21.199 take your biometrics or anything. He's walking in, he's working alone, 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:25.240 and he starts to get a creepy sensation. It's a 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:28.679 sensation that occurs more than once. It haunts him. He 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:31.359 begins to believe that he's seeing things move out of 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:32.800 the corner of his eye. 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:34.240 He's carrying chills. 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:38.360 He has the sense of a presence always just behind him, 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:42.359 always just out of view. And he says, Okay, first off, 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:45.399 I've built like my whole personality on saying ghost are 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:47.840 not real. So I got to figure out something to 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:52.040 explain this. And he looks everywhere around, he goes outside. 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:55.000 He's talking to like the power company, the utilities company, 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:58.760 and then he finds out that there is a fan 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:01.760 in the very back of the room that is generating 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:05.800 a sound he cannot consciously hear. This is infrasound, and 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:10.919 multiple investigators have gone to haunted houses and discovered that 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:14.880 at least in those instances, something like that fan has 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:17.600 produced something that very much appears to be a ghost 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:19.800 when you experience it in the moment. 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:21.480 And there are lots of folks that will like to 0:20:21.560 --> 0:20:25.680 set up tape recorders in these houses and let them run, 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:27.760 and there will be these sounds that they will pick 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:30.760 up that can't be explained by just like what's going 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:31.520 on in the house. 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:35.040 Yeah, tell us, well, it's odd because you're it's kind 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:35.800 of two different things. 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:38.720 But just to get the infrasound. 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:41.040 If you've heard a fan that's just running, let's say, 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:43.720 a highly metal fan, you know, maybe one of the 0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:46.959 older ones, and you hear the high pitched tones that 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:49.560 it creates, but there's harmonic stuff going on on the 0:20:49.600 --> 0:20:52.320 lower end because of the mechanical movement of that thing. 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:54.280 And that's the stuff he's talking about. You can't hear 0:20:54.320 --> 0:20:57.160 it right, And it can physically. What Vic Tandy found 0:20:57.200 --> 0:21:00.440 is it can physically vibrate your eye like you're squeishy 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:03.760 squeeze eye, that eyes that we all have. And that's 0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:06.000 one of the reasons you get almost that floater feeling 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:08.320 when you move your eye just a little bit and 0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:09.520 you you feel. 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:10.040 Like you saw something. 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:12.080 That's what he was experiencing, what he was seeing out 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:13.640 of the corner of his eye, and it was freaking yeah. 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:17.440 Okay, but it's you can sense that infra sound right, 0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:23.240 sure causes fight or flight. Yeah, often on a primal level. Yeah, 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:25.600 without like feeling like you actually need to leave. You'd 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:29.040 get that sensation when you were talking about Ben. It 0:21:29.160 --> 0:21:31.919 was such a fascinating thing to discover that. And I 0:21:31.920 --> 0:21:34.120 think we talked to his son for the book we did. 0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:38.280 We talked to his son when we were researching researching 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:41.040 my book named in a burst of creativity stuff. They 0:21:41.080 --> 0:21:43.640 don't want you to go the book because we had 0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:48.040 the title for the show earlier anyway, So this is 0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:53.359 this is the parable or the moral here is if 0:21:53.400 --> 0:21:55.960 you feel you are encountering in ghosts, because we want 0:21:55.960 --> 0:21:59.600 to give you practical applications and ideas, the first thing 0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:02.720 you should do, As silly as it sounds, it's like jack, 0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:03.480 if there's a. 0:22:03.359 --> 0:22:06.080 Fan, oh, or a bus it was there was a 0:22:06.080 --> 0:22:08.440 bus stop right outside another place that was reported to 0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:12.480 be super haunted. Yea, the bus's engine was creating infrasound, 0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:16.119 in standing waves inside the basement of this area. And he, 0:22:16.320 --> 0:22:18.360 you know, he proved it. It's just crazy. 0:22:18.920 --> 0:22:21.800 One thing I've noticed since I've been working on a 0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:24.480 lot of more music and recording, and like mixing records 0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:27.080 and things like that. Is I wouldn't say I hear better, 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:31.439 but I hear differently and say dead people who welcome that. 0:22:31.440 --> 0:22:32.560 That's okay, that's fair. 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:34.680 But like i will be in my house and I'll 0:22:34.680 --> 0:22:36.920 be in my living room and I'll hear this sound 0:22:37.000 --> 0:22:38.800 and I'm like, what is that? It's driving me crazy 0:22:38.840 --> 0:22:41.800 and realize that it's a bathroom fan on on the 0:22:41.840 --> 0:22:45.040 other side of the house, and it's because it's creating 0:22:45.080 --> 0:22:48.040 this kind of standing wave thing that travels a lot 0:22:48.080 --> 0:22:50.840 farther than you would think, and I'm experiencing it more 0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:53.080 like not necessarily, like my ears are. 0:22:52.920 --> 0:22:55.720 Better, but my brain's processing this sound differently. 0:22:56.240 --> 0:22:59.000 This okay, And speaking of going back to like our 0:22:59.040 --> 0:23:02.280 point about hearing things differently, can we do the experiment? 0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:06.240 I think? Must we do an experiment with you? Okay? 0:23:06.400 --> 0:23:07.080 All right, all right? 0:23:07.520 --> 0:23:10.280 So okay, as we said, not everybody can hear the 0:23:10.320 --> 0:23:17.280 same sounds. Diplomatically put as we age, our hearing abilities change. 0:23:17.680 --> 0:23:20.159 And so what we'd like to do here with you 0:23:20.240 --> 0:23:23.439 tonight is play a brief clip for you. We're going 0:23:23.520 --> 0:23:27.680 to start at the lowest sound a human being can register. 0:23:28.040 --> 0:23:31.640 We're going to go into the higher ranges, and as 0:23:31.680 --> 0:23:36.400 we play this, listen along closely. When you can no 0:23:36.520 --> 0:23:39.320 longer hear the sound, just raise your. 0:23:39.160 --> 0:23:42.080 Hand and we'll play too. We'll play two. It's going 0:23:42.119 --> 0:23:44.000 to be interesting. Yeah, let's see if I'll play let's 0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:55.359 see the thing. I'm ready, all right, trying to make this. 0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:59.200 It doesn't hurt anybody. It's okay, I'm not hurting yet. 0:23:59.200 --> 0:24:03.639 I guess we'll hear it, guys. Yeah, okay, get. 0:24:03.480 --> 0:24:14.720 A little higher higher, yeah, okay, okay, okay, still there, Okay, 0:24:14.760 --> 0:24:17.560 here's no it's. 0:24:17.359 --> 0:24:21.360 Just where you can't explodes like in scanners, I think so. Yeah, 0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:28.000 stretch it. It is no, not quite gone for me, 0:24:29.640 --> 0:24:31.639 not quite gone for me. Okay, it's gone for me. 0:24:32.200 --> 0:24:34.520 I got it for you, to be honest, guys, still 0:24:34.560 --> 0:24:35.600 got it. I still hear it. 0:24:35.720 --> 0:24:36.399 You still hear it. 0:24:36.520 --> 0:24:42.600 Okay, that's still going. Okay are you joking? Yeah? 0:24:42.720 --> 0:24:45.879 Okay, all right, I's going for me. Here's what happened. 0:24:46.320 --> 0:24:49.159 So it's pretty cool, guys. I've never done that with 0:24:49.200 --> 0:24:51.200 actual people before. It must have been. 0:24:51.320 --> 0:24:53.240 It was probably a little weird for some of us 0:24:53.280 --> 0:24:55.840 to see the hands go up earlier and realize that 0:24:55.880 --> 0:24:57.919 the person may be sitting next to you could no 0:24:57.960 --> 0:25:02.000 longer hears as siren sound of wine that was, no 0:25:02.119 --> 0:25:04.919 doubt becoming increasingly disturbing and irritating. 0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:07.600 Right, No, I've lost most of my hearing from a 0:25:07.680 --> 0:25:10.000 ride symbol that sits right here, usually when I'm just 0:25:10.040 --> 0:25:12.159 crashing it. I and I can't believe I heard that 0:25:12.280 --> 0:25:13.080 as long as I did. 0:25:13.119 --> 0:25:15.720 That was Are we sure that was accurate? No? 0:25:15.600 --> 0:25:21.440 No, it is that is accurate? Confirmed podcast accurate. Okay, okay, 0:25:21.720 --> 0:25:23.880 so this is wow. 0:25:24.080 --> 0:25:24.480 That's good. 0:25:25.840 --> 0:25:28.520 So here's the here's the thing. For those of us 0:25:28.600 --> 0:25:32.240 who could hear the sound almost to the entirety of 0:25:32.320 --> 0:25:34.800 the time, you will need to avoid parts of the 0:25:34.800 --> 0:25:40.600 Scottish railway network because a few years back, true story, now, 0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:42.880 a few years back, they got tired of all these 0:25:43.160 --> 0:25:48.120 young loiterers and so they they weaponized the system called 0:25:48.160 --> 0:25:52.640 the Mosquito. They conspired against the Utes of Scotland and 0:25:52.680 --> 0:25:56.080 they they put these speakers in that would play a 0:25:56.160 --> 0:25:59.399 noise that would drive people on the younger side of 0:25:59.480 --> 0:26:02.720 the human ana e spectrum absolutely insane. 0:26:02.359 --> 0:26:06.560 Like our friend at the pizza shop. But she the 0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:09.239 thing we couldn't hear for sure. I don't think any 0:26:09.240 --> 0:26:11.560 of us get here. So that's kind of wild man. 0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:12.960 So did it work? 0:26:13.720 --> 0:26:16.919 It did work? It did we know that? Well? I 0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:19.040 guess as a kid would age out. 0:26:18.880 --> 0:26:20.800 They would regain the ability to loiter. 0:26:21.000 --> 0:26:24.440 Okay, fair enough, But then it's like elderly are a 0:26:24.480 --> 0:26:25.880 lot less threatening. 0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:27.720 It's a lot less cute, Like what are you doing 0:26:27.720 --> 0:26:30.280 when you're thirty eight? Just there? 0:26:30.440 --> 0:26:32.800 I dig that, I actually really dig that. 0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:35.119 Well, yeah, I'm forty one and I could hear it 0:26:35.119 --> 0:26:36.280 almost till the very end. 0:26:36.320 --> 0:26:39.240 So I'm still going to go loitering Scottish train stations. 0:26:39.320 --> 0:26:42.680 What if all the kids had sound canceling headphones. 0:26:43.040 --> 0:26:45.359 See, this is where we're tying things together. 0:26:45.400 --> 0:26:47.960 Okay, Okay, I get it. I guess we're. 0:26:47.720 --> 0:26:51.440 Also noting that that's one that's one real world example 0:26:51.800 --> 0:26:54.720 of how sounds can be weaponized, how they can be 0:26:54.840 --> 0:26:59.280 used against you. However, that is a fairly innocuous example, 0:26:59.480 --> 0:27:02.919 because no one on that train station is forced to 0:27:03.000 --> 0:27:05.840 be there. No one is being forced to stay there 0:27:06.119 --> 0:27:08.680 or encounter sounds that they do not consent. 0:27:08.359 --> 0:27:08.760 To hear it. 0:27:10.480 --> 0:27:20.040 And will pause for a word from our sponsors, and 0:27:20.200 --> 0:27:25.320 we've returned with a conspiracy of sound. Well on you guys, 0:27:25.359 --> 0:27:27.480 do we want to talk about the for another experiment? 0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:29.240 Do we want to talk about the sound of silence? 0:27:29.280 --> 0:27:30.880 Or we want to go straight to weaponization. 0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:32.040 Let's go to weaponization. 0:27:32.359 --> 0:27:34.200 Can we do Simon and Garfunkle first? 0:27:34.119 --> 0:27:36.399 I mean, actually, it's funny. You don't know about this, 0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:40.720 but I've been writing a terribly nasty parody of Homeward Bounds. 0:27:40.960 --> 0:27:42.320 I'll share it with you after the show. 0:27:42.359 --> 0:27:44.400 Wow, it's too much. 0:27:44.480 --> 0:27:48.760 Quite frankly, it's pretty good. Whatever, it's good, So okay, 0:27:48.800 --> 0:27:51.160 all right, weaponized sound then, right, yeah. 0:27:51.000 --> 0:27:54.840 Let's do it. Actually it is really nice and quite. 0:27:57.040 --> 0:27:57.840 Legendary. Yeah. 0:27:57.840 --> 0:28:00.760 Wow, thanks y'all for having that's a cool space. 0:28:01.560 --> 0:28:02.880 Yeah, we don't have to do it. Let's talk about 0:28:02.960 --> 0:28:05.200 dangerous stuff. But you already did it. We got to 0:28:05.200 --> 0:28:07.600 at least talk about the world's quietest room. All right, 0:28:07.680 --> 0:28:08.000 let's do it. 0:28:08.040 --> 0:28:11.320 Let's do it over in ore Field Labs in Minnesota. 0:28:11.480 --> 0:28:15.159 Some we, I think several of us audio files know 0:28:15.280 --> 0:28:20.280 about this. Some of the world's smartest experts in audio 0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:23.560 built the literal quietest room in the world. And that 0:28:23.760 --> 0:28:27.119 silence we just heard together what passes for silence, you know, 0:28:27.160 --> 0:28:29.880 with the slight hung there, we could hear some breathing, 0:28:30.040 --> 0:28:33.720 some coughs, things of that nature that doesn't happen in 0:28:33.760 --> 0:28:36.600 the quietest room, and it makes the quietest room an 0:28:36.640 --> 0:28:41.760 incredibly disturbing place. People can hear themselves blink and hear. 0:28:41.640 --> 0:28:45.080 The sound of your blood like flowing through your body. Yeah, 0:28:45.360 --> 0:28:46.040 you guys ever have. 0:28:45.960 --> 0:28:49.240 Those like orchid Tho's rooms in orchestra class, like in school, 0:28:49.640 --> 0:28:50.760 the little practice. 0:28:50.480 --> 0:28:51.040 Rooms or whatever. 0:28:51.080 --> 0:28:54.440 It's like that, but like fifty x, you know, and 0:28:54.680 --> 0:28:58.560 it is so intense that if you it could be 0:28:58.720 --> 0:29:01.800 considered torture to a degree if someone was forced to 0:29:01.800 --> 0:29:03.160 stay in there for long enough. 0:29:03.200 --> 0:29:06.400 Can you imagine seriously locking somebody in there. Oh my god, 0:29:06.440 --> 0:29:08.200 that's terrifying. Yeah. 0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:10.160 We talk about being alone with your thoughts. 0:29:11.000 --> 0:29:13.440 I mean, well, this solitary confinement is one of the 0:29:13.480 --> 0:29:16.000 worst things you could do to somebody, right, right, We've 0:29:16.080 --> 0:29:17.120 learned that over time. 0:29:17.720 --> 0:29:19.680 But at least you can talk through the pipes to 0:29:19.760 --> 0:29:20.280 your neighbor. 0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:20.560 You know. 0:29:20.680 --> 0:29:23.600 There's little notes and stuff not in this. 0:29:24.080 --> 0:29:27.440 Not in this room, and people do kind of like 0:29:27.440 --> 0:29:31.040 a really scary haunted house. People do make the decision 0:29:31.160 --> 0:29:34.480 to pay to go into the room for some amount 0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:38.240 of the was a bravado. It's a bragge docio, you 0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:40.760 know what, Like, I'm already a very quiet person. How 0:29:40.760 --> 0:29:44.240 bad could this be? You know, it never works out spoiled. 0:29:44.280 --> 0:29:45.080 No, no, it's not good. 0:29:47.200 --> 0:29:49.680 It's cool that it exists. But yeah, you're gonna learn 0:29:49.720 --> 0:29:53.520 a lot about yourself in that way. And that's like, okay, 0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:57.040 it's because humanity exists in somewhat of a of a 0:29:57.160 --> 0:30:02.880 Goldilock zone of sound. The absence of sound is terrified, right, 0:30:03.160 --> 0:30:06.880 and the wrong sounds use the wrong way are not 0:30:06.960 --> 0:30:10.400 just terrifying, but physically dangerous. This is where we get 0:30:10.520 --> 0:30:12.440 to the real weaponized stuff. I think one of our 0:30:12.480 --> 0:30:19.120 favorites the PsiOps. The fact that, okay, I think it's funny, 0:30:19.240 --> 0:30:23.280 the fact that the US military, at multiple times, not 0:30:23.360 --> 0:30:26.440 just the US, multiple world militaries have been trying to, 0:30:26.480 --> 0:30:29.680 you know, lay siege to some nay force. They've been 0:30:29.720 --> 0:30:33.120 trying to straight up torture people. And they've said, oh, 0:30:33.160 --> 0:30:36.160 we've tried everything, right, you know, we've done all these 0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:40.880 horrific interrogation techniques. What should we do next? And someone goes, 0:30:42.320 --> 0:30:45.440 I can play the Barney song. Yeah, yeah, it's just 0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:49.000 they keep playing it it's true. Don't stop, just keep 0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:49.360 it going. 0:30:49.440 --> 0:30:52.280 It's absolutely diabolical, is what it is. 0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:55.600 It is in classic rock and heavy metal. True story. 0:30:55.720 --> 0:31:00.560 That's what broke Manual Noriega in nineteen eighty nine. They 0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:02.920 look it up, they played classic rock. 0:31:03.120 --> 0:31:09.600 It was the Scorpions well and enhanced interrogation techniques. We 0:31:09.640 --> 0:31:12.280 don't want to get you know, in too much trouble here, 0:31:12.320 --> 0:31:15.640 but those were used with extremely loud metal music playing 0:31:15.800 --> 0:31:19.640 right in order to make somebody feel extremely. 0:31:19.560 --> 0:31:21.280 Non sensory overload. 0:31:22.240 --> 0:31:26.360 And then there's also the part about using sound in 0:31:26.400 --> 0:31:31.400 a way that weaponizes not just your auditory mechanisms, but 0:31:31.480 --> 0:31:34.240 also the culture in which you exist. This is another 0:31:34.800 --> 0:31:39.640 military thing, Operation Wandering Soul and the ghost tapes. Know 0:31:39.760 --> 0:31:40.840 you want to talk a little. 0:31:40.600 --> 0:31:44.000 Bit about, Yeah, this is There was a podcast that 0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:47.200 worked on back in the early days of podcasts when 0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:50.920 they were only one billion podcasts, and it was called 0:31:50.920 --> 0:31:53.520 The Stuff of Life with a good friend Julie Douglas 0:31:53.560 --> 0:31:55.440 over at House Stuff Works, and we actually did an 0:31:55.440 --> 0:31:59.160 episode on what's called ghost tape number ten or the 0:31:59.200 --> 0:32:01.760 one but what is it to Operation Wandering Soul, And 0:32:01.840 --> 0:32:05.840 it was essentially a US psyops effort to freak out 0:32:05.880 --> 0:32:11.000 the vietcom by planting these little speakers in trees in 0:32:11.080 --> 0:32:16.320 the forests of Vietnam and playing like spooky ghost sounds. Essentially, 0:32:16.360 --> 0:32:19.000 I'm simplify oversimplifying it a little bit, but the idea 0:32:19.120 --> 0:32:21.160 was there's a lot of ancestor worship in that culture, 0:32:21.200 --> 0:32:23.920 and there's a lot of belief in ghosts that it 0:32:24.000 --> 0:32:28.880 runs very, very deep, and the US government essentially weaponized 0:32:28.880 --> 0:32:31.320 that against them by making them believe that the ghosts 0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:34.720 of their ancestors were coming for them or haunting them, 0:32:35.080 --> 0:32:38.120 or lurking in some way in the forests. 0:32:38.320 --> 0:32:39.880 Yeah, you're attempting to at least so. 0:32:40.000 --> 0:32:42.480 Yeah, and they did it by physically sneaking in in 0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:43.920 planting devices. 0:32:44.000 --> 0:32:45.560 Right, that's terrifying. 0:32:45.320 --> 0:32:48.400 Spooky stuffs too, even if you don't believe in ghosts. 0:32:49.600 --> 0:32:52.600 They're imagineer in the woods. Yeah, that's a that's a 0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:55.320 clip of this. Imagine you're in the woods, you're already 0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:58.760 set a koto, you're already in a combat zone. You've 0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:02.840 seen people die, right, you might die today, and you 0:33:02.920 --> 0:33:05.280 hear something like this. There's also the clip of the 0:33:05.640 --> 0:33:09.160 little Girl, which I think is creepier. 0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:12.840 I think that's a little map that's the warning. 0:33:13.040 --> 0:33:16.600 Yeah, but just coming from the tree tops, right, Like 0:33:16.640 --> 0:33:19.720 if you imagine that low file least somewhat. 0:33:19.680 --> 0:33:22.040 Right, and you're already keyed up, you already know the 0:33:22.080 --> 0:33:25.000 sounds of the environment around you. So this is even 0:33:25.120 --> 0:33:27.480 for the most skeptical of your Kong, this is a 0:33:27.600 --> 0:33:28.800 very frightening experience. 0:33:28.840 --> 0:33:31.880 I agree with you, but didn't we also kind of 0:33:31.920 --> 0:33:34.280 determine that a lot of people kind of thought it 0:33:34.320 --> 0:33:37.560 was bullshit, and then it wasn't particularly effective and maybe 0:33:37.600 --> 0:33:39.800 a little bit you know on the part of Uncle 0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:41.920 Sam dismissive. 0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:44.480 And super well, yeah, it was all of those things 0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:44.960 for sure. 0:33:45.200 --> 0:33:45.520 Yeah. 0:33:45.600 --> 0:33:47.600 Whether or not anybody believe that, I don't, but it is. 0:33:47.560 --> 0:33:52.000 An example of it is another example of the immense 0:33:52.080 --> 0:33:57.200 amount of time, money, and energy spent on weaponizing sound 0:33:57.240 --> 0:34:00.680 against people and turning sounds you hear against you. And 0:34:00.920 --> 0:34:04.959 sometimes this stuff doesn't work. But honestly, in some cases 0:34:05.000 --> 0:34:08.319 it works way better than you might assume. This is 0:34:08.360 --> 0:34:12.400 where we introduce a guy named Woody Norris. Matt, do 0:34:12.440 --> 0:34:16.240 you want to you want to kick some guy Norris? 0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:20.840 This guy I've become obsessed with, y'all, and I highly 0:34:20.880 --> 0:34:24.520 recommend you do a search for Woody Norris and something 0:34:24.560 --> 0:34:29.200 called hypersonic sound. This is uh, this is an inventor. 0:34:29.400 --> 0:34:32.000 He has a third grade education, at least that's what 0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:35.680 he states. He one time took a part a transistor 0:34:35.800 --> 0:34:38.520 radio when he was about eight years old, and he's 0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:43.080 been inventing things ever since, well back in the nineties, 0:34:43.120 --> 0:34:45.400 I think it was ninety six. Specifically, he patented a 0:34:45.480 --> 0:34:50.319 thing called hypersonic sound. And uh, give a little Ted 0:34:50.320 --> 0:34:52.480 talk about it. Should we play the clip before. 0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:55.680 We think we should? Well, let's just say. Let's just 0:34:55.680 --> 0:34:56.280 say that. 0:34:56.560 --> 0:35:01.360 He developed a way to turn soundund into a beam 0:35:01.520 --> 0:35:04.279 the way we can turn lights into a laser, right, 0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:06.880 really focus it down, or we can turn it into 0:35:07.239 --> 0:35:10.280 with a lens, you know, focus it down on something 0:35:10.320 --> 0:35:12.080 like this and you can get pictures. 0:35:12.120 --> 0:35:12.760 It makes sense. 0:35:13.040 --> 0:35:15.080 Well, he found a way to make a device that 0:35:15.120 --> 0:35:18.319 he can point at you and sound can travel through 0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:21.120 the air to exactly where you are, as far away 0:35:21.160 --> 0:35:22.799 as you are. If you're in this beam. 0:35:22.760 --> 0:35:24.720 And the person next to you won't hear a thing. 0:35:24.840 --> 0:35:26.799 You only you will be able to hear when he 0:35:26.920 --> 0:35:27.680 is shooting at you. 0:35:27.719 --> 0:35:29.239 Can I say, Matt, I don't know if this is 0:35:29.280 --> 0:35:31.520 exactly connected. But have you guys heard of this place, 0:35:31.560 --> 0:35:33.200 the sphere in Las Vegas? 0:35:33.640 --> 0:35:33.839 Yeah? 0:35:33.960 --> 0:35:36.720 Directly what directly connected? 0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:39.400 Okay, great, Well that they apparently have this sound system 0:35:39.760 --> 0:35:43.080 that it like whatever your seat is, you get a 0:35:43.120 --> 0:35:46.640 sound mix that's in whatever your language is or whatever. 0:35:46.600 --> 0:35:49.359 Like preferences you might have. Can you yeah, get so 0:35:49.400 --> 0:35:51.640 this is the same technology, then yes, but. 0:35:51.600 --> 0:35:53.960 We're talking about the nineties when he patented it. And 0:35:54.000 --> 0:35:55.640 then he's going to tell you a little something in 0:35:55.719 --> 0:35:57.520 this clip we pulled from his ted talk that he 0:35:57.560 --> 0:36:01.600 gave in the early two thousands that, uh, let's extrapolate 0:36:01.680 --> 0:36:03.960 maybe together a little bit what he means. 0:36:04.600 --> 0:36:06.719 We've got the military had just deployed some of these 0:36:06.800 --> 0:36:09.800 into a rack where you can put fake troop movements 0:36:10.239 --> 0:36:15.560 a quarter of a mile away on a hillside, or 0:36:15.600 --> 0:36:18.080 you can whisper in the ear of a supposed terrorist 0:36:18.160 --> 0:36:19.280 some biblical verse. 0:36:22.320 --> 0:36:22.960 I'm serious. 0:36:25.680 --> 0:36:29.480 Yeah, you can make someone think they're hearing God. Yeah, 0:36:30.400 --> 0:36:33.320 with a weapon that the military has had since before 0:36:33.440 --> 0:36:34.479 you know, we invaded a rock. 0:36:34.400 --> 0:36:36.800 Decon and like have him tell you to do stuff. 0:36:37.120 --> 0:36:40.040 Yeah, which goes back to the by Caramel Mind, which 0:36:40.080 --> 0:36:41.040 is a different episode. 0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:43.440 Sure, Sorry, this has blown my mind so much that 0:36:44.000 --> 0:36:46.319 it's even a possibility, and really thinking about it being 0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:50.440 weaponized and purchased by the Pentagon for such activities. 0:36:51.160 --> 0:36:53.160 Yeah, it's cool, it's fine, everything's fine. 0:36:53.280 --> 0:36:55.799 It also reminds me of one thing that has been 0:36:55.880 --> 0:36:59.440 on everybody's mind a few years ago, Havana syndrome. We've 0:36:59.440 --> 0:37:02.799 all heard about that, right, Yeah, just real quick show 0:37:02.800 --> 0:37:05.360 of hands, all right, I think it's real it. 0:37:05.360 --> 0:37:05.759 Who's got it? 0:37:06.840 --> 0:37:10.760 Okay? Okay, yeah, okay, who thinks it's malarkey? As Biden 0:37:10.800 --> 0:37:15.080 would say, Okay, surprisingly closer than I thought. 0:37:15.160 --> 0:37:18.520 We get it. We talked extensively about this. 0:37:19.000 --> 0:37:21.799 We're going to again in a little bit and an 0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:24.000 additional segment of the show that we're going to do later. 0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:25.880 Now, do a little bit. 0:37:25.920 --> 0:37:28.840 Oh yeah, we'll set this up. Beginning in twenty sixteen, 0:37:29.280 --> 0:37:32.960 individuals who I want to say this diplomatically, were in 0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:38.160 some way associated with intelligence communities in the State Department. Right, 0:37:38.400 --> 0:37:45.920 they started reporting, Okay, I need they started reporting all 0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:50.600 these debilitating symptoms associated with what they thought was as 0:37:50.640 --> 0:37:56.200 it yet unexplained weapon that could target target them in 0:37:56.320 --> 0:37:59.560 some way. Was this some kind of microwave energy directed? 0:37:59.680 --> 0:38:02.680 Was its being more associated with sound. People were looking 0:38:02.719 --> 0:38:06.840 for all kinds of explanations, including this one guy who said, 0:38:06.840 --> 0:38:11.000 with a lot of misinformed confidence, the crickets in Cuba 0:38:11.080 --> 0:38:11.600 are weird. 0:38:12.960 --> 0:38:14.759 Yeah, okay, I can buy that. Maybe. 0:38:14.880 --> 0:38:17.160 Yeah, everybody else went along with it. We don't know 0:38:17.239 --> 0:38:21.840 what's happening, Brooklyn. As we hang out tonight, the top 0:38:22.040 --> 0:38:27.160 intelligence agencies of the world don't agree on what's happening. 0:38:27.360 --> 0:38:30.239 Some people are saying they made it up, you know, 0:38:30.400 --> 0:38:32.560 it's just they had them malaise and now they can 0:38:32.600 --> 0:38:34.120 put a word on it. 0:38:34.160 --> 0:38:36.200 Well, can we just say, like, it's similar to Gulf 0:38:36.239 --> 0:38:39.359 War syndrome, for example. It's this like kind of amorphous 0:38:39.360 --> 0:38:43.040 collection of symptoms that are hard to pin to a 0:38:43.080 --> 0:38:46.880 particular thing in general. So we're starting off with a 0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:48.240 disadvantage in that respect. 0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:50.520 Sure, maybe a bit of confirmation bias. 0:38:50.239 --> 0:38:53.200 As you know, I honestly thought I heard it once 0:38:53.600 --> 0:38:56.440 in the house. Honestly, for real, I thought I heard it, 0:38:56.480 --> 0:38:59.400 and I got nervous, and I guess a paranoia I 0:38:59.480 --> 0:38:59.839 heard what? 0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:04.440 So what? Fine, it was a sound. 0:39:04.520 --> 0:39:07.640 If you're not paranoid, you should that's probably it was 0:39:07.719 --> 0:39:12.080 my PS four. My PS four was the fans within 0:39:12.120 --> 0:39:15.719 it were generating such a terrible tone that was so 0:39:15.840 --> 0:39:19.720 high pitched, and I didn't understand that it was causing 0:39:19.760 --> 0:39:22.439 it because I heard it coming from the far side 0:39:22.440 --> 0:39:23.880 of my house like a standing wave. 0:39:24.040 --> 0:39:27.000 Sure, but it was just this high pitched tone from 0:39:27.040 --> 0:39:29.520 the fans, and it scared the crap out of me. 0:39:30.040 --> 0:39:32.319 But now you've got in Havana syndrome, and you weren't 0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:33.239 even in Havana. 0:39:33.440 --> 0:39:33.920 Not at all. 0:39:34.000 --> 0:39:35.680 I thought I was in Atlanta syndrome. 0:39:36.760 --> 0:39:38.399 That's a different kind of syndrome, bro. 0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:42.759 This is our PSA for Atlanta syndrome. No, well, you'll 0:39:42.800 --> 0:39:43.480 have to listen. 0:39:43.239 --> 0:39:47.560 To the recording. Strew chicken wings everywhere you go. Peperwtt. 0:39:47.719 --> 0:39:49.759 I'm telling you. I'm telling you the hype is real. 0:39:49.960 --> 0:39:51.840 Just so we know that thing, that hypersonic sound. But 0:39:51.880 --> 0:39:55.200 what he made it can only register what is it? 0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:56.680 It hurts above two hundred. 0:39:56.680 --> 0:40:00.160 So pepperweight, yes, thank you by them. Sorry, I are 0:40:00.160 --> 0:40:03.239 gonna let that go. That is the way, Sorry, Matt, 0:40:03.280 --> 0:40:04.520 Please get totally fine. 0:40:04.680 --> 0:40:08.400 Two hurts and above is the targeted like sound you 0:40:08.440 --> 0:40:11.520 can create at crazy high decibel levels, which sounds a 0:40:11.520 --> 0:40:12.360 lot like habana. 0:40:12.640 --> 0:40:15.160 But we do know that these types of weapons exist 0:40:15.280 --> 0:40:20.000 for like crowd dispersement. Sure, and their quote unquote non 0:40:20.160 --> 0:40:21.359 lethal right. 0:40:21.760 --> 0:40:23.760 Less than lethal would be the better. 0:40:24.239 --> 0:40:25.120 Your head doesn't. 0:40:25.160 --> 0:40:28.279 Scanners explode instantly, but it may not be good for 0:40:28.320 --> 0:40:29.080 you long term. 0:40:29.239 --> 0:40:32.640 Bits picture, it's a thing where the manufacturers can say, legally, 0:40:32.760 --> 0:40:34.960 we're not trying to kill people. 0:40:35.040 --> 0:40:36.960 Yeah, like rubber bullets, you know. 0:40:37.840 --> 0:40:40.400 Yeah, Look, pain hurts or hurts? 0:40:40.520 --> 0:40:41.000 Pain does? 0:40:43.120 --> 0:40:43.799 Everybody hurts? 0:40:43.800 --> 0:40:46.399 Sometimes add a docibel level one hundred and twenty five. 0:40:46.440 --> 0:40:49.439 That's when pain begins to register in your mind when 0:40:49.440 --> 0:40:50.880 you're like being hit with. 0:40:50.960 --> 0:40:54.279 A followed by scanner's head explosion right after that. So 0:40:54.360 --> 0:40:55.160 I'm not gonna let it go. 0:40:55.760 --> 0:40:59.239 Fine, So we know that there can also be messages 0:40:59.239 --> 0:41:02.680 conveyed in this way, right, There can be messages that 0:41:02.760 --> 0:41:06.680 are sent out maybe in plane at your shot, to 0:41:06.840 --> 0:41:09.360 this entire audience, but for one reason or another, maybe 0:41:09.360 --> 0:41:11.080 only a few people would register it. 0:41:11.160 --> 0:41:11.440 Right. 0:41:11.520 --> 0:41:16.080 And we're not talking about just a just like a 0:41:16.200 --> 0:41:20.160 high shrill notes or something. We're talking about the possibility 0:41:20.600 --> 0:41:25.240 of certain encoded things. Matt, I see what you have there. 0:41:25.239 --> 0:41:28.840 Is It's just my phone. 0:41:28.880 --> 0:41:30.400 I'm just going to make a call. No, no, no, 0:41:31.719 --> 0:41:34.799 my son was obsessed with this, is obsessed with this. 0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:36.600 He thinks is the coolest thing. He wants to take 0:41:36.600 --> 0:41:41.160 it in for show and tell. This is a transistor radio. Yeah, 0:41:41.200 --> 0:41:43.239 that's all it is. It's not connected to Wi Fi. 0:41:43.280 --> 0:41:45.719 It doesn't do anything else. It's got batteries and it's 0:41:45.719 --> 0:41:49.399 a transistor radio. It's got a fancy little thing here 0:41:49.440 --> 0:41:51.160 we call an antenna. 0:41:51.719 --> 0:41:52.720 And you know what it does. 0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:54.600 What does it do? 0:41:55.200 --> 0:41:58.279 It translates all the hidden waves that are flying through 0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:01.400 the air right now, and it turns them into audible music. 0:42:01.680 --> 0:42:05.160 And Howard Stern, I guess sometimes and other people. You know, 0:42:05.400 --> 0:42:08.040 I've heard folks that are awesome and you can listen 0:42:08.080 --> 0:42:09.600 right now. I think it's one oh five point one 0:42:09.719 --> 0:42:10.440 here in New York. 0:42:10.480 --> 0:42:11.040 You gotta listen. 0:42:11.080 --> 0:42:13.680 I heard We Have to the Breakfast Clubs, one of 0:42:13.719 --> 0:42:17.480 the best shows on the radio. It's I don't even 0:42:17.520 --> 0:42:18.839 want to do it. I was gonna put it on 0:42:19.040 --> 0:42:22.160 and show. It's just it's amazingly cool that you can 0:42:22.200 --> 0:42:26.000 turn this thing on and you can just pick stuff 0:42:26.040 --> 0:42:28.920 out of the air that is flowing through us right now. 0:42:30.719 --> 0:42:33.960 It doesn't stop flowing through us when you go to sleep. 0:42:34.560 --> 0:42:38.040 It's flowing through us. When you take a shower, it's 0:42:38.080 --> 0:42:39.720 flowing through us, and that. 0:42:39.560 --> 0:42:41.680 Happens pretty much anywhere in the world you go. 0:42:41.960 --> 0:42:43.880 It kind of freaks me out, but it's also amazing. 0:42:43.920 --> 0:42:45.640 It kind of should freak you out. It's weird that 0:42:45.719 --> 0:42:46.799 it became normalized. 0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:49.279 Hey, let's take a quick break from the show. Here 0:42:49.280 --> 0:42:51.200 a word from our sponsor, and then we'll be right 0:42:51.239 --> 0:42:53.799 back with our Conspiracy of Sound. That live show from 0:42:53.920 --> 0:42:56.760 National Sawdust at on AirFest. 0:43:02.600 --> 0:43:05.359 Oh those were great, Right, we're back, let's jump in. 0:43:07.200 --> 0:43:10.960 We don't even need much more technology to do a 0:43:11.000 --> 0:43:13.560 real hidden message that can go around the world. 0:43:13.719 --> 0:43:16.879 It's time for us to talk about number stations. Yes, 0:43:17.800 --> 0:43:19.040 really quickly though, I. 0:43:20.640 --> 0:43:24.480 Man, lest we leave you terrified that we're all being, 0:43:24.560 --> 0:43:27.399 like you, bombarded with these radio frequencies and that they're 0:43:27.440 --> 0:43:28.840 like dangerous or something. 0:43:28.840 --> 0:43:30.719 There are no different spectrums. 0:43:30.800 --> 0:43:33.799 There are, of course, microwaves things like that that are 0:43:33.920 --> 0:43:37.320 very tiny because they can penetrate your body in ways 0:43:37.440 --> 0:43:38.719 that are dangerous. 0:43:38.800 --> 0:43:42.240 But these are comparatively large waves. 0:43:42.480 --> 0:43:45.440 Right, yes, wait, which ones? 0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:46.279 We're talking short wave? 0:43:46.360 --> 0:43:46.440 Right? 0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:47.640 The short waves what they're called. 0:43:47.640 --> 0:43:50.000 But like the type of things that are flying around, 0:43:50.040 --> 0:43:52.600 most of the stuff that we encounter when we're sleeping, 0:43:52.600 --> 0:43:54.360 like you're talking about, these are not things that we 0:43:54.360 --> 0:43:57.120 should be worried No, we shouldn't be worried about. 0:43:57.200 --> 0:44:00.440 Just but Wi Fi is a fairly new thing when 0:44:00.440 --> 0:44:03.600 you think about another kind of ra existence frequency. 0:44:03.760 --> 0:44:06.960 Yeah, someone in the crowd right now just thought, oh god, five. 0:44:07.200 --> 0:44:10.319 We're not going there, five G, seven G. 0:44:11.719 --> 0:44:14.840 But no, just think about the the amount of waves 0:44:14.880 --> 0:44:17.640 that we send out from all these giant places that 0:44:17.719 --> 0:44:21.080 broadcast them and from you know, our individual devices and 0:44:21.120 --> 0:44:21.680 all that stuff. 0:44:21.719 --> 0:44:22.719 And there are a lot of people that. 0:44:22.680 --> 0:44:25.480 Are freaked out about that, which leads to ones of 0:44:25.080 --> 0:44:26.440 the quiet zone. 0:44:26.840 --> 0:44:31.080 Yes, Radio D we went there, We got launched, We 0:44:31.160 --> 0:44:32.520 got hell one of the. 0:44:32.520 --> 0:44:38.320 Last places with actual landline pay phones in this country 0:44:38.400 --> 0:44:42.480 because there are no cell phones allowed to exist. 0:44:42.160 --> 0:44:45.480 And they have literal vans people whose job it is 0:44:45.520 --> 0:44:48.920 to roll around scanning for these type of frequencies and 0:44:49.000 --> 0:44:52.280 figuring out who the hell broke the rules and brought 0:44:52.400 --> 0:44:55.680 this you know, forbidden device into the quiet. 0:44:55.560 --> 0:44:56.880 And we will get to number stations. 0:44:57.840 --> 0:44:59.239 Sorry, I'm so sorry. Now why are you sorry? 0:44:59.239 --> 0:45:01.000 I'm the one that brought us to the radio HEAs 0:45:01.000 --> 0:45:02.520 wanted to, don't want to think they were like getting 0:45:02.520 --> 0:45:05.320 cancer from you know, uh Star ninety seven. 0:45:06.080 --> 0:45:07.560 No, hell no. 0:45:07.920 --> 0:45:11.120 The greatest thing is if, ever, if all the technology 0:45:11.520 --> 0:45:13.800 just broke right, huge blackout or something. 0:45:14.360 --> 0:45:16.040 If you've got one of these, you. 0:45:16.000 --> 0:45:18.959 Know what's going on, because there's there're gonna be human 0:45:19.000 --> 0:45:22.960 beings in a radio station broadcasting some important message. 0:45:22.640 --> 0:45:25.920 Out hopefully like in Fallout what's the guy's name? The 0:45:26.840 --> 0:45:29.120 DJ and the Fallout game you have to go find 0:45:29.920 --> 0:45:33.040 three dogs. That's true, you got to find a three 0:45:33.080 --> 0:45:34.719 dog and then he'll tell you where your dad is. 0:45:36.080 --> 0:45:41.960 And there's an entire system of automated there's an entire 0:45:42.000 --> 0:45:46.080 system of automated messages that are supposed to continue like 0:45:46.280 --> 0:45:47.880 after civilization falls. 0:45:47.880 --> 0:45:48.839 That's exactly right. 0:45:49.120 --> 0:45:51.800 There's like twelve people and now they have to listen 0:45:51.840 --> 0:45:55.160 to the same recorded message over and over again, which 0:45:55.239 --> 0:45:56.719 kind of becomes an accidental signe. 0:45:56.719 --> 0:45:59.400 And there's usually like a plot point where you realize 0:45:59.440 --> 0:46:02.000 they record it and it's on a loop and everyone's 0:46:02.040 --> 0:46:03.440 dead and you're fucked. 0:46:03.560 --> 0:46:05.800 It's yeah, So so if I tune my radio to 0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:08.359 one O five point one, I can hear Charlemagne? 0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:11.560 What else gets played on some of these radio bands? 0:46:11.760 --> 0:46:14.320 Oh, gosh, yeah, we'll fast forward through this real quick. 0:46:14.400 --> 0:46:18.279 You don't need a uh, you don't need a dangerous 0:46:18.320 --> 0:46:23.760 frequency to do dangerous things. Numbers stations are an active 0:46:23.800 --> 0:46:27.960 conspiracy right now. I accidentally I just tuned into one 0:46:28.000 --> 0:46:31.080 when I was in Japan a little while back. There 0:46:31.160 --> 0:46:34.719 is this Cold war relic that is entirely meant to 0:46:34.760 --> 0:46:39.640 communicate with spies. Anybody can tune into these radio stations, 0:46:39.719 --> 0:46:41.359 at which point you'll hear something like this. 0:46:45.320 --> 0:46:45.720 Awesome. 0:46:45.760 --> 0:46:47.759 Nope, hold on, we had a screen saver. 0:46:56.400 --> 0:46:58.719 There's only cool beaps. There's one with the cool beap. 0:46:58.800 --> 0:47:04.040 We like the one with the beeps. So it's a 0:47:04.120 --> 0:47:07.080 radio station that's quiet most of the time. I feel 0:47:07.080 --> 0:47:12.239 the people nod in the heads. Yeah, except every so 0:47:12.360 --> 0:47:13.720 often something like this. 0:47:13.640 --> 0:47:15.160 Will come out. 0:47:15.360 --> 0:47:18.120 You can hear this because of the hotel, because of 0:47:18.160 --> 0:47:20.719 the nature radio. You can hear this almost anywhere in 0:47:20.760 --> 0:47:25.759 the world. And there are entire communities, often online, dedicated 0:47:25.800 --> 0:47:29.239 to figuring out what's happening here. But the most likely 0:47:29.320 --> 0:47:33.160 answer is that at least once upon a time, these 0:47:33.239 --> 0:47:40.560 were one way messages to agents of espionage right, largely Russian, 0:47:40.920 --> 0:47:43.880 and they're written with what's called the one Time Codebook. 0:47:43.960 --> 0:47:46.080 Not to get too into the weeds here, but what 0:47:46.120 --> 0:47:48.560 that means is there's effectively no way for you to 0:47:48.600 --> 0:47:51.960 figure out the what they're saying unless you also have 0:47:52.280 --> 0:47:55.520 your handy little book, which we're not gonna is. 0:47:55.440 --> 0:47:57.200 It like a cipher like I mean that you have 0:47:57.239 --> 0:47:59.280 to have a key to scratch. 0:47:59.320 --> 0:48:02.960 I got it, So Echo Hotel, a couple of numbers 0:48:02.960 --> 0:48:05.680 you might be able to say, possibly that sounds like 0:48:05.800 --> 0:48:08.960 latitude and longitude. Unless you have that little book, you're 0:48:09.000 --> 0:48:12.560 never gonna know. And if you ever get bored and 0:48:12.640 --> 0:48:16.440 bibe your vice of choice and get thee to YouTube. 0:48:16.600 --> 0:48:17.040 Yeah. Yeah. 0:48:17.560 --> 0:48:20.480 There's a collection of these is called the Connet Projects, 0:48:20.560 --> 0:48:23.040 and it's very fascinating, really interesting listens. 0:48:23.080 --> 0:48:24.400 Some of them are actually kind of beautiful. 0:48:24.520 --> 0:48:28.239 If anyone's familiar with the Wilco record Yankee Hotel Foxtrot, 0:48:28.560 --> 0:48:31.040 there's a sample at the end of one of the 0:48:31.080 --> 0:48:33.000 crazy songs called I'm Trying to Break Your Heart that 0:48:33.000 --> 0:48:35.760 gets really wild, and then there's the sample Yankee Hotel 0:48:35.800 --> 0:48:38.200 Foxtrot that is from the Connt Project. So you can 0:48:38.239 --> 0:48:40.359 find all of those in playlists on YouTube, and they're 0:48:40.480 --> 0:48:41.480 really interesting. 0:48:41.280 --> 0:48:43.520 And we're pretty sure it's fine to listen to these, 0:48:43.560 --> 0:48:45.920 because we did a few episodes on them, and no 0:48:45.960 --> 0:48:46.680 one is content. 0:48:46.760 --> 0:48:48.440 These are old. I mean these are from you know, 0:48:48.640 --> 0:48:50.040 like these are yeah, all right? 0:48:50.120 --> 0:48:52.160 Have you listened to the new ones? That's that's the 0:48:52.160 --> 0:48:53.200 most pretentious thing. 0:48:53.040 --> 0:48:57.239 Of whoa you ever heard the new numbers? Listen to 0:48:57.360 --> 0:48:58.960 music on my mini the trolla? 0:48:59.320 --> 0:48:59.480 Yes. 0:49:00.560 --> 0:49:03.680 So this is where this is where, this is where 0:49:03.680 --> 0:49:06.440 we we have to ask ourselves. Knowing that there is 0:49:06.520 --> 0:49:09.279 at least some grain enough truth to all of these 0:49:09.320 --> 0:49:13.160 conspiracies we just explored together, we have to ask ourselves 0:49:13.680 --> 0:49:16.919 when it comes to hidden messages, right, how far does 0:49:17.000 --> 0:49:21.960 this conspiracy ankle play? That's why. To learn more, we're 0:49:22.000 --> 0:49:24.440 going to join some folks at their house right now. 0:49:24.480 --> 0:49:28.120 Okay, Now, can I just say that's really cool as Scott, 0:49:28.360 --> 0:49:31.439 he's like our Paul Schaeffer. He just really gave such 0:49:31.480 --> 0:49:34.400 a boisterous laugh like Paul Wood for David Letterman. Oh, 0:49:34.560 --> 0:49:36.719 they feel like a million bucks. So big ups, the 0:49:36.880 --> 0:49:38.640 big ups this guy. Oh, it's really sweet. 0:49:38.960 --> 0:49:42.319 I think some other folks could do better. I'm just 0:49:42.440 --> 0:49:44.400 I'm telling you. 0:49:45.719 --> 0:49:47.960 Okay, all right, obviously it's falling apart, so. 0:49:47.920 --> 0:49:49.080 We're leaving the stage. 0:49:49.440 --> 0:49:51.680 We're doing different place. 0:49:51.760 --> 0:49:53.680 It's time for a word from our sponsor. 0:49:54.560 --> 0:49:55.720 Two guys at their house. 0:49:56.000 --> 0:49:59.480 We opened on a common place. See an evening familiar 0:49:59.520 --> 0:50:03.480 to red household. You've just returned from a hard day 0:50:03.520 --> 0:50:06.400 at work, and now it's time to kick back to 0:50:06.640 --> 0:50:12.879 unwide soaking in the comforting background of your favorite television programs. Yet, 0:50:13.320 --> 0:50:17.880 as we'll see, you're always just one step away from 0:50:18.160 --> 0:50:25.640 the stuff they don't want you to do. 0:50:27.360 --> 0:50:28.759 Man, what a day? 0:50:29.520 --> 0:50:32.279 All right here you time to take a break. What's 0:50:32.320 --> 0:50:32.759 on the two? 0:50:33.560 --> 0:50:34.840 Let's see? 0:50:34.960 --> 0:50:35.719 Let's see. 0:50:36.600 --> 0:50:42.359 Oh I love conversions, me too. Imagine with this light, 0:50:42.600 --> 0:50:45.719 crisp serial, you can get all the nourishment. 0:50:45.280 --> 0:50:50.200 Of you can tile easy, clean, solid vinyl tiles ends. 0:50:50.320 --> 0:50:53.000 You'll never have to ask where does it all start? 0:50:53.840 --> 0:50:57.239 Sometimes here with an acid stunning or. 0:50:57.160 --> 0:51:01.480 Here which is careless, matchres cigarette and fire till the 0:51:01.560 --> 0:51:02.520 next time you're. 0:51:02.360 --> 0:51:02.640 In the. 0:51:08.800 --> 0:51:09.240 Attention. 0:51:09.760 --> 0:51:13.560 This is a test of the emergency conspiracy system. This 0:51:13.640 --> 0:51:16.600 is a test of the emergency conspiracy system. 0:51:16.960 --> 0:51:19.719 Oh I was waiting for this, waiting for what? 0:51:20.480 --> 0:51:22.960 Man, this noise is driving me crazy? What the missu 0:51:23.000 --> 0:51:23.680 phoonio mean? 0:51:24.400 --> 0:51:27.719 I'm sorry, dude, it's the national headphone Alert. Don't you 0:51:27.760 --> 0:51:28.400 read the news. 0:51:28.680 --> 0:51:30.839 It's illegal for you to ask me that. 0:51:31.120 --> 0:51:34.600 The Transparency and Audio Act, remember the new secrecy laws. 0:51:34.880 --> 0:51:37.479 They say that some people finally get to hear what's 0:51:37.680 --> 0:51:39.319 really being broadcast. 0:51:39.920 --> 0:51:42.040 It's thanks to these dose issued headphones. 0:51:42.239 --> 0:51:46.800 Oh right these Wait, I thought it was a scam 0:51:47.000 --> 0:51:48.920 and not everybody gets these headphones. 0:51:49.000 --> 0:51:52.640 Yeah yeah, And it turns out there's an entire hidden 0:51:52.680 --> 0:51:55.360 world of sound and only a few people get to 0:51:55.400 --> 0:51:56.560 learn about it every year. 0:51:57.160 --> 0:52:00.399 Okay, so why us though? 0:52:00.880 --> 0:52:02.520 I think it's because we went to that on air 0:52:02.640 --> 0:52:05.640 fest a little while back. Like right now, this just 0:52:05.680 --> 0:52:11.480 sounds like a beep. Yeah yeah, Check this out again. 0:52:11.719 --> 0:52:15.600 If you are hearing this message, congratulations, you have successfully 0:52:15.680 --> 0:52:20.360 passed the emergency conspiracy broadcast test. With these headphotes, you 0:52:20.400 --> 0:52:23.319 will be able to hear the true messages embedded in 0:52:23.440 --> 0:52:27.839 your programming. We the secret government, invite you to use 0:52:27.920 --> 0:52:32.160 these devices and explore the signals sent through public airwaves. 0:52:32.280 --> 0:52:33.879 Have the best part about the chroom? 0:52:34.120 --> 0:52:38.480 Why the efficiency with the newest surgitry embedded Holy. 0:52:38.200 --> 0:52:41.080 Smokes, put them back on. Here we go. 0:52:43.960 --> 0:52:47.000 A hidden war rages throughout the world. The race for 0:52:47.200 --> 0:52:50.800 rare earth metals. The ikroom can, through the following steps, 0:52:50.840 --> 0:52:54.960 be reassembled into a powerful transmission device. First, find it 0:52:55.040 --> 0:52:59.359 appropriate crossroads, gather a fire of willow, and you had 0:52:59.360 --> 0:53:01.359 the stroke of a favorable doubt. 0:53:01.440 --> 0:53:06.640 Wherever you find your favorite Conglomco products. What in the 0:53:06.640 --> 0:53:09.120 holy Kellogg's diners going on here? 0:53:09.160 --> 0:53:09.920 Pretty cool? 0:53:10.239 --> 0:53:11.399 Right? No? 0:53:11.760 --> 0:53:15.080 Dude, no, it's not pretty cool at all. You're saying 0:53:15.120 --> 0:53:19.920 there's an entire conspiracy to hide secret What are these messages? 0:53:20.120 --> 0:53:22.160 Instructions in plain in sight? 0:53:22.880 --> 0:53:24.480 Technically plane earshot? 0:53:24.840 --> 0:53:26.000 Wait you can hear us? 0:53:26.280 --> 0:53:29.759 Oh yeah, I can hear you. We can always hear you. 0:53:29.800 --> 0:53:33.240 What the That guy sounds like me? And we're supposed 0:53:33.280 --> 0:53:36.439 to act on this like we're being conscripted into some 0:53:36.719 --> 0:53:38.400 sort of secret army. 0:53:39.120 --> 0:53:41.480 Don't think of it that way. Think of it more 0:53:41.560 --> 0:53:44.360 like it's good to know things. 0:53:45.000 --> 0:53:46.960 It's good to know things. 0:53:47.400 --> 0:53:48.520 Are you in on this? 0:53:49.280 --> 0:53:53.520 It's twenty twenty five, man, everything's crazy. I guess you 0:53:53.680 --> 0:53:57.080 just watch regular commercials or you know, oh I love 0:53:57.120 --> 0:53:57.480 this one. 0:53:57.760 --> 0:54:01.120 Has this ever happened to you? In traffic? 0:54:01.160 --> 0:54:04.200 And gosh darn it, someone else has a better car. 0:54:04.800 --> 0:54:07.760 Don't be a knucklehead. Check out the brand New twenty 0:54:07.840 --> 0:54:09.360 twenty five Honda odist. 0:54:09.719 --> 0:54:11.520 Now you got to hear the real message here. 0:54:11.680 --> 0:54:19.800 Put them on bye obey, consume bye Okay, consume bye obey, 0:54:20.000 --> 0:54:29.319 consume bye obay, consume bye obay, consume bye. 0:54:30.200 --> 0:54:32.359 So we're doing a they live thing. 0:54:33.200 --> 0:54:36.560 Yeah, this is a they live thing, but with sound. 0:54:36.920 --> 0:54:39.839 We're sort of booking fun and how easily audio can 0:54:39.880 --> 0:54:43.880 be manipulated to push human behavior, sometimes without the conscious 0:54:43.880 --> 0:54:47.239 mind registering what's happening. We're having a lot of fun 0:54:47.280 --> 0:54:50.719 with it, but it's a very real, potentially dangerous thing. 0:54:51.680 --> 0:54:55.800 Also, we're doing the matrix. What you'll see, you'll see. 0:54:56.200 --> 0:54:58.480 Man, I'm so glad we're in on this. 0:54:59.160 --> 0:55:01.600 I don't know if I I want to be Matt. 0:55:01.719 --> 0:55:04.080 Is it fair for us to keep such a massive 0:55:04.160 --> 0:55:05.280 revelation secret. 0:55:05.680 --> 0:55:08.160 It's a choice you got to make for yourself. You 0:55:08.160 --> 0:55:10.759 can choose to keep going the way you were, or 0:55:11.239 --> 0:55:14.959 you can oscillate just a little further down the rabbit hole. 0:55:15.480 --> 0:55:17.080 But what about everybody else? 0:55:17.200 --> 0:55:19.680 Don't people deserve to know what's happening? 0:55:20.120 --> 0:55:22.399 I mean, you can try and tell them, but they 0:55:22.560 --> 0:55:24.000 literally can't hear you. 0:55:24.760 --> 0:55:25.480 That's correct. 0:55:25.800 --> 0:55:29.040 If there was any way to genuinely help people learn 0:55:29.080 --> 0:55:32.960 about the conspiracy surrounding the power of sound without incurring 0:55:32.960 --> 0:55:35.640 the wrath of the powers that be. You'd probably have to, 0:55:35.920 --> 0:55:40.560 you know, make it part of a show, maybe in Brooklyn. 0:55:46.320 --> 0:55:49.080 This is a test of a conspiracy broadcast. This is 0:55:49.120 --> 0:55:51.920 only a test. If you are left one suspect your 0:55:51.960 --> 0:55:55.920 audio is being manipulated, please report immediately to your local 0:55:55.920 --> 0:55:59.560 shadowy cabal and apply for a patented conspiracules brought to 0:55:59.560 --> 0:56:03.400 you by Illumination, Globle Unlimited and Remembered. 0:56:14.680 --> 0:56:16.799 Whoa guys, hold on, I think we need to take 0:56:16.840 --> 0:56:18.080 a break before we move on. 0:56:18.680 --> 0:56:20.960 We'll be right back after a word from our sponsors. 0:56:23.680 --> 0:56:25.400 Isn't that back masking? 0:56:25.840 --> 0:56:27.560 Oh shit, we have a show to do. Yeah, let's 0:56:27.600 --> 0:56:27.960 keep going. 0:56:28.120 --> 0:56:29.040 That's right, folks. 0:56:29.560 --> 0:56:32.600 We would like to welcome our very special guests for 0:56:32.680 --> 0:56:36.399 this evening, the host of Broken Records, the man who 0:56:36.440 --> 0:56:40.239 knows everything about music and has decided to join us 0:56:40.360 --> 0:56:41.040 live tonight. 0:56:41.280 --> 0:56:42.160 Please join us. 0:56:42.040 --> 0:56:48.520 And welcoming the one and only justin Richmond. Who you are, sir? 0:56:53.320 --> 0:56:55.520 Wow, I don't know how I got you. I just 0:56:55.560 --> 0:56:58.759 heard a sound I was compelled to come. Yeah, I 0:56:58.840 --> 0:56:59.680 think I agreed to this. 0:57:01.440 --> 0:57:04.200 Well, we can't thank you enough for coming. We were 0:57:04.480 --> 0:57:08.120 we were talking back and forth earlier when we were 0:57:08.160 --> 0:57:11.600 working on the idea of the conspiracy of sound. We 0:57:11.719 --> 0:57:16.680 wanted to touch on some of the weirdest sounds that 0:57:17.200 --> 0:57:19.720 people like our friends and family and the audience tonight 0:57:20.080 --> 0:57:24.240 have heard and tie that into of course, music conspiracies, 0:57:24.320 --> 0:57:26.919 maybe a little Havana syndrome, but justin let's start here. 0:57:27.920 --> 0:57:31.240 We were talking earlier and we were asking you what 0:57:31.360 --> 0:57:34.400 are the weirdest sounds that you have heard? 0:57:34.840 --> 0:57:35.160 Yeah? 0:57:35.200 --> 0:57:39.240 So, uh, you know, I live in Long Beach, California, 0:57:39.560 --> 0:57:41.800 which you know is that cool? 0:57:42.160 --> 0:57:43.320 Oh, it's great, It's amazing. 0:57:43.960 --> 0:57:47.080 A short beach. I've always wanted to ask, is it 0:57:47.120 --> 0:57:47.800 a short beach? 0:57:47.960 --> 0:57:50.840 Is there a short is a short beach? Seal beach? 0:57:51.320 --> 0:57:54.600 Oh? But they don't they don't, Yeah, they don't advertise them. 0:57:54.960 --> 0:57:56.200 Maybe someone of the beach is nice. 0:57:56.360 --> 0:57:59.440 Also, apparently Long Island, like is just New York? Here 0:57:59.480 --> 0:58:02.080 is Manhattan rather right, like the Long Island. If you 0:58:02.120 --> 0:58:04.600 heard this what somebody told me about this? Like maybe 0:58:04.680 --> 0:58:07.560 I'm totally wrong, but like Long Island was originally like 0:58:07.800 --> 0:58:11.600 referring to the island of Manhattan. But I digress tell 0:58:11.640 --> 0:58:14.440 us about what happens sonically in Long Beach. 0:58:14.520 --> 0:58:19.200 Well, Long Beach, for those who don't know, is it's 0:58:19.240 --> 0:58:22.440 a port town. So we you know, it has the 0:58:22.480 --> 0:58:24.240 Port of Los Angeles and the Port of Long Beach, 0:58:24.280 --> 0:58:26.200 and so it's like, you know, beside it's like one 0:58:26.240 --> 0:58:27.880 of the biggest ports in the world. 0:58:28.560 --> 0:58:31.720 And so in addition to the the you know, there's 0:58:31.760 --> 0:58:32.840 all cons of things going on Long Beach. 0:58:32.840 --> 0:58:34.840 There's the port, there's the airport. There's all kinds of 0:58:35.000 --> 0:58:38.120 going on with the port. You know, most of us 0:58:38.240 --> 0:58:41.160 day to day we probably about five miles from the ports. 0:58:41.200 --> 0:58:42.880 We're not we're not always over there. We don't really 0:58:42.920 --> 0:58:47.680 see it. But at night a lot of times I'll 0:58:47.680 --> 0:58:51.800 wake up three am and just hear like a weird 0:58:53.280 --> 0:58:56.360 like foghorn, like the most unsettling you know, like when 0:58:56.360 --> 0:59:00.120 you're in a horror movie and it's like, uh, it's 0:59:00.160 --> 0:59:03.240 it's it's misty or foggy and it's a full moon 0:59:04.040 --> 0:59:05.880 and the leaves are bare on the tree. 0:59:06.800 --> 0:59:09.960 Have you seen the lighthouse that Rabbert Egger's yes, okay, right, 0:59:10.040 --> 0:59:11.440 Like that soundtrack. 0:59:11.000 --> 0:59:14.919 Is fog horn, Like it is indeed unsettling, and you'll 0:59:15.000 --> 0:59:16.800 just wake up, you know, when we're like three blocks 0:59:16.800 --> 0:59:17.120 in the beach. 0:59:20.080 --> 0:59:20.800 WHOA. 0:59:20.960 --> 0:59:24.120 I wonder if you hear the hum the rumble of 0:59:24.160 --> 0:59:26.120 some of the ships and stuff that roll through there too, 0:59:26.120 --> 0:59:28.640 and the mechanisms that are like on the dock itself. 0:59:28.680 --> 0:59:30.840 Well, you know that's that's the thing, like the foghorn, 0:59:31.000 --> 0:59:33.400 as unsettling as it is, Like you know, you wake 0:59:33.440 --> 0:59:35.440 up three am to go to go to go use 0:59:35.440 --> 0:59:37.120 the restroom, go back to your. 0:59:37.000 --> 0:59:38.160 Bed, and you're hearing a foghorn. 0:59:38.800 --> 0:59:40.880 At least I know what it is and why, Yes, 0:59:40.920 --> 0:59:42.720 and I can identify that sound. 0:59:42.960 --> 0:59:46.520 There's also an abnormal for the longest simon. 0:59:46.520 --> 0:59:48.240 I haven't heard it in a while, but for a 0:59:48.320 --> 0:59:52.520 while I would wake up around four or five am, 0:59:52.960 --> 0:59:57.240 between four or five am and six am, six thirty am, 0:59:57.640 --> 1:00:02.360 there'd just be a high pitched what's oh, And everyone 1:00:02.400 --> 1:00:04.600 in Long Beach who's up at that time can hear it, 1:00:05.240 --> 1:00:05.840 but no one can. 1:00:05.960 --> 1:00:07.520 No one can tell me what it is. 1:00:07.920 --> 1:00:10.280 There's just a rogue, no one there was also, by 1:00:10.280 --> 1:00:12.280 the way, I know we're not talking about smells, but 1:00:12.320 --> 1:00:16.920 there's a smell that floats in from off the coast 1:00:17.040 --> 1:00:19.720 okay that no one can tell you what it is. 1:00:19.760 --> 1:00:21.400 I mean, it smells like there's a gas Like sometimes 1:00:21.440 --> 1:00:24.280 I've come home like there's a gas like what I 1:00:24.400 --> 1:00:26.440 left the and I'll go look and there's nothing, and 1:00:26.480 --> 1:00:29.520 I'll call the you know, uh, you. 1:00:29.480 --> 1:00:30.360 Know, I'll call it. 1:00:30.520 --> 1:00:31.840 Just wants to call in the ghast, lik, right, So 1:00:31.880 --> 1:00:33.680 I'll call you know, what do you want to sense 1:00:33.920 --> 1:00:34.800 now to check this out? 1:00:35.200 --> 1:00:35.280 Oh? 1:00:35.320 --> 1:00:37.160 No, we're getting calls left and right, like it's everywhere. 1:00:37.160 --> 1:00:39.160 We don't but they don't know what it is. No 1:00:39.200 --> 1:00:41.560 one knows what it is. The government, the local government 1:00:41.600 --> 1:00:44.360 can't tell us. Like California, ask people go down to investigate. 1:00:44.400 --> 1:00:45.120 They can't tell us. 1:00:45.240 --> 1:00:48.760 Doesn't smell bad, smells like gyas. 1:00:48.840 --> 1:00:52.000 It's like like like likes like sulfur. Oh I got 1:00:52.040 --> 1:00:57.040 bad news. Your whole town is haunted. Yeah, this is 1:00:57.040 --> 1:00:58.360 actually not surprised me. 1:00:58.480 --> 1:00:59.960 What we brought you on the show to talk. 1:01:01.480 --> 1:01:04.160 This is terrible news. I'll be leading, I will not 1:01:04.200 --> 1:01:07.440 be returning home themselves. 1:01:07.760 --> 1:01:10.640 Tell us what connects you directly to music and to 1:01:10.720 --> 1:01:13.080 Broken Record into just what you do? 1:01:13.320 --> 1:01:14.360 What I do well? 1:01:14.480 --> 1:01:18.360 I am the host of Broken Record, a music podcast 1:01:18.400 --> 1:01:22.800 that I started with Rick Rubin and Malcolm Gladwell, WHOA, yeah. 1:01:22.840 --> 1:01:25.080 That's cool. And Rick Assentce. 1:01:25.160 --> 1:01:27.680 You know, he's still involved at high level, but he's 1:01:27.680 --> 1:01:29.840 he's hosting a new show now and so I'm left 1:01:29.920 --> 1:01:30.440 to host. 1:01:30.560 --> 1:01:34.880 He's just meditating, levitating somewhere in Malibu right now we speak. 1:01:35.600 --> 1:01:41.120 We don't even know where he is. We're yeah, and 1:01:41.120 --> 1:01:44.200 I mean, yeah, there were But like, you know, music is. 1:01:44.560 --> 1:01:47.000 We talked about what sound is, sound waves and all 1:01:47.000 --> 1:01:47.200 of that. 1:01:47.360 --> 1:01:50.280 I'm a huge music fan, and the idea that music 1:01:50.400 --> 1:01:54.840 is just this scientifically quantifiable bunch of vibrating air, you know, 1:01:55.000 --> 1:01:56.200 molecules still just. 1:01:56.160 --> 1:01:57.120 Kind of blows my mind. 1:01:57.120 --> 1:01:59.400 And when I put a needle on a record, the 1:01:59.480 --> 1:02:03.520 process by which grews scratched into a piece of plastic 1:02:03.800 --> 1:02:07.480 are then transmuted through a needle into a thing that 1:02:07.520 --> 1:02:10.640 goes into speakers and becomes music that then hits our 1:02:10.680 --> 1:02:14.000 ears absolutely blows my mind constantly, and I more or 1:02:14.080 --> 1:02:16.400 less understand the science of it, but it doesn't make 1:02:16.440 --> 1:02:18.280 you feel any less magical, right, It. 1:02:18.200 --> 1:02:19.320 Blows you know. What's funny? 1:02:19.320 --> 1:02:21.600 We always talk about this in a negative sense, but 1:02:21.640 --> 1:02:23.360 I'm always astounded by it, and I wish we could 1:02:23.360 --> 1:02:23.760 go back to it. 1:02:23.760 --> 1:02:24.560 But We always think. 1:02:27.240 --> 1:02:30.400 A lot of books or documentaries just about music, or 1:02:30.400 --> 1:02:32.400 if you talk to people who are at a certain age, 1:02:32.400 --> 1:02:34.160 you made music at a certain time, they'll tell you. 1:02:34.200 --> 1:02:37.080 By the time when recording studios were run by people 1:02:37.080 --> 1:02:38.240 in lab coats. 1:02:39.360 --> 1:02:41.000 Beatles were always pissing them off. 1:02:41.200 --> 1:02:44.200 We're using the equipment wrong, right, and the the the 1:02:44.280 --> 1:02:47.080 narrative in music is like at some point the Beatles 1:02:47.200 --> 1:02:50.360 and other people we were we were freed by the 1:02:50.720 --> 1:02:53.720 tyrannical lab coat engineers like democratize it. 1:02:53.840 --> 1:02:56.600 Democratize it, right, and you get like, you know, the 1:02:56.680 --> 1:02:59.520 kind of you know, then you get more the engineer 1:02:59.560 --> 1:03:00.960 just looks more like a like a you know, like 1:03:01.000 --> 1:03:03.160 a run of the mill like hippie or something, right 1:03:03.200 --> 1:03:05.640 like yeah, yah, yeah, Well the thing that's need about that, 1:03:05.640 --> 1:03:07.120 I should go back to that, I should go back 1:03:07.160 --> 1:03:09.400 to lap Yeah. Well sure, But the thing is a 1:03:09.440 --> 1:03:13.040 lot of music technology, things like compressors, for example, a 1:03:13.120 --> 1:03:16.480 word built for broadcast for very functional purposes, like to 1:03:16.520 --> 1:03:18.680 make it so when a song come came on, it 1:03:18.720 --> 1:03:20.480 wasn't going to knock your head off because it. 1:03:20.440 --> 1:03:22.280 Was so much louder than the last one. But then 1:03:22.360 --> 1:03:25.240 somebody went around behind the lab co guy's back and 1:03:25.280 --> 1:03:27.240 figured out how to crank that thing up and make 1:03:27.280 --> 1:03:29.840 it sound cool. And that's like the sound of led 1:03:29.920 --> 1:03:33.400 Zeppelin slappy drums, or like the Beatles plugging a guitar 1:03:33.480 --> 1:03:35.640 right into the console and cranking the game up so 1:03:35.680 --> 1:03:37.080 they get a fuzz on revolution. 1:03:37.280 --> 1:03:37.520 You know. 1:03:37.840 --> 1:03:39.960 That is that is what we did liberate from the lab. 1:03:40.080 --> 1:03:43.080 You know some of there's certain sounds that aren't proper 1:03:43.120 --> 1:03:48.200 sounds or correct sounds that that that are make music 1:03:48.440 --> 1:03:51.360 invigorating to us. Right, it's sort of this weird we 1:03:51.360 --> 1:03:53.400 we people who don't even you know, it's funny, like 1:03:53.480 --> 1:03:54.440 you talked to someone. 1:03:54.320 --> 1:03:56.520 And my people in this audience. There's no there's no 1:03:56.560 --> 1:03:56.960 shame in this. 1:03:57.000 --> 1:03:58.680 I can't even remember a time in my life where 1:03:59.000 --> 1:04:00.880 I love music, but we hear things and I couldn't 1:04:00.880 --> 1:04:03.800 differentiate between the instruments. Like if you say, oh, like 1:04:03.840 --> 1:04:05.640 that's an interesting bass on, I don't know what what 1:04:05.760 --> 1:04:07.760 is the bass? You have to really sit and explain 1:04:07.800 --> 1:04:09.080 it to me, like, oh, that's what that is. And 1:04:09.120 --> 1:04:11.360 I sometimes I still talk to people, I'm like, the 1:04:11.440 --> 1:04:14.200 song is great. It's great because listen to arrange, listen 1:04:14.200 --> 1:04:14.880 to the bass. 1:04:14.600 --> 1:04:19.200 And the guitar on the way that the horns the piccolo. 1:04:21.400 --> 1:04:26.280 Let's talking about the magic flute by the way. No, 1:04:26.400 --> 1:04:28.520 but you know, it's like in the same way, like 1:04:28.520 --> 1:04:31.480 there are sounds that aren't that weren't proper sounds, and 1:04:31.520 --> 1:04:34.480 we can't necessarily readily identify what's proper or not proper 1:04:34.520 --> 1:04:37.680 as a listener. But sometimes that that those weird the 1:04:37.720 --> 1:04:40.800 distortions or the weird things that were mistakes in the 1:04:40.800 --> 1:04:44.200 studios make the songs that we love better. 1:04:44.320 --> 1:04:47.400 Keith Richard's got his guitar tone by slashing a speaker 1:04:47.440 --> 1:04:51.200 with a switchblade, like literally ripping the cone, the paper 1:04:51.240 --> 1:04:54.080 cone of the speaker and making it vibrate against themself 1:04:54.120 --> 1:04:55.160 to get a cool tone. 1:04:55.240 --> 1:04:55.560 Yeah. 1:04:55.680 --> 1:04:57.560 Yeah, a lot of times that would happen, right, And 1:04:57.600 --> 1:05:01.080 I think, like something I can't remember the Zach specifics, 1:05:01.120 --> 1:05:04.440 but if you go and listen to the Kinks song 1:05:09.400 --> 1:05:12.280 really Got, Really Gotten, really got me, Like there's a 1:05:12.320 --> 1:05:14.680 really great distorted guitar on that. That's one of one 1:05:14.720 --> 1:05:16.760 of the early distorted guitars. And that's because like the 1:05:16.800 --> 1:05:19.960 amp was malfunctioning you or they broke it and be 1:05:20.000 --> 1:05:21.640 based on that, you know, then they go in they 1:05:21.640 --> 1:05:23.960 figure out, well, how do we get that sounding someone 1:05:24.040 --> 1:05:26.040 manufactured like a distortion pedal? 1:05:26.120 --> 1:05:29.080 You know, that's that's a good question too, because we 1:05:29.200 --> 1:05:33.240 often more and more now we we kind of hear 1:05:33.440 --> 1:05:40.680 and accept these allegations of cabal running a music industry. Right, 1:05:40.960 --> 1:05:44.000 So in your experience, we'll get to that the truth 1:05:44.080 --> 1:05:46.040 or falsity of that in a second, But in your 1:05:46.080 --> 1:05:51.000 experience personally, do you think those imperfections are more or 1:05:51.120 --> 1:05:54.600 less frequent to emerge in a finish song now? Like 1:05:54.760 --> 1:05:58.120 is there someone shutting down a thing? Or is there 1:05:58.200 --> 1:06:01.480 someone do people still have the agency to say, no, 1:06:01.680 --> 1:06:03.919 that's perfect, I don't care if the accordion's out of tune, 1:06:04.120 --> 1:06:06.000 I'm tom Waits or anything like that. 1:06:06.120 --> 1:06:08.520 You know, you know, that's a that's a that's that's 1:06:08.560 --> 1:06:09.280 a tricky question. 1:06:09.320 --> 1:06:12.280 I mean, in some ways, there's in some ways there's 1:06:12.280 --> 1:06:14.560 more freedom to make mistakes because everyone's just like, we've 1:06:14.600 --> 1:06:17.760 now gone from making a record in a studio you 1:06:17.840 --> 1:06:19.400 paid a lot of money for with guys and lab 1:06:19.440 --> 1:06:21.800 coats running the studio, to you're making a record in 1:06:21.840 --> 1:06:24.080 a studio for a lot of money with dudes who 1:06:24.160 --> 1:06:26.800 look just like they're in the band running the recording 1:06:26.840 --> 1:06:29.480 studio to the recording studios just at your house, and 1:06:29.520 --> 1:06:32.040 you may or may not even know exactly what you're 1:06:32.080 --> 1:06:33.360 doing or all the ins and outs of like the 1:06:33.360 --> 1:06:37.160 equipment that you're using, and so in some ways it's 1:06:37.200 --> 1:06:39.400 easier to make mistakes. But in terms of the music 1:06:39.480 --> 1:06:45.240 that gets to the general, you know, population, Like, I'm 1:06:45.280 --> 1:06:50.280 of the mind that pop music is it is marginally 1:06:50.400 --> 1:06:54.800 less interesting today than say in like nineteen eighty something. 1:06:54.680 --> 1:06:59.280 Or yes, and I'm obsessed with Rhythm Nation by Janet Jackson. 1:07:00.160 --> 1:07:03.560 Just a crazy sounding record, and it's because they were 1:07:03.640 --> 1:07:06.640 using all of these sixteen bit samplers that were kind 1:07:06.680 --> 1:07:11.640 of by our standards today low fi, right. But Jimmy Jams, 1:07:11.680 --> 1:07:14.440 a producer, like it sounds like an industrial record. There 1:07:14.440 --> 1:07:17.080 are sounds on this sound like drills or you know, 1:07:17.160 --> 1:07:18.560 beating on trash cans. 1:07:18.840 --> 1:07:22.240 And it was a massive pop record. When you listen 1:07:22.280 --> 1:07:23.920 to it now, it sounds fucking weird. 1:07:24.040 --> 1:07:26.960 Yeah, Janet Jackson, you can't get I mean, when when 1:07:27.160 --> 1:07:29.280 Rhythm Nation came out, could you get any bigger than 1:07:29.320 --> 1:07:31.320 Janet Jackson, like one of the most popular artists on 1:07:31.400 --> 1:07:34.800 Earth at the time. Experimental yes, yes, And I mean 1:07:34.800 --> 1:07:36.120 even you know, if you go back and you listen 1:07:36.200 --> 1:07:41.120 to you know, it's funny. I heard single Ladies recently 1:07:41.520 --> 1:07:43.040 and you're like, I like. 1:07:43.280 --> 1:07:45.640 How did this? How did how did this get released? 1:07:45.720 --> 1:07:45.920 Like this? 1:07:46.000 --> 1:07:47.840 Like this is not in a bad way, like a 1:07:47.920 --> 1:07:50.959 fascinating way, Like there are some weird sounds on that record, yes, 1:07:51.040 --> 1:07:52.240 that make like you're. 1:07:52.080 --> 1:07:53.040 Like, what is it? 1:07:53.080 --> 1:07:53.479 Like? Why? 1:07:53.880 --> 1:07:55.840 Who did who did this? I don't even know if 1:07:55.840 --> 1:07:56.240 I like it? 1:07:56.280 --> 1:07:58.920 I guess, but I'm I'm glad it has the studio 1:07:59.360 --> 1:08:01.680 just that impro training and they just kept saying like 1:08:01.920 --> 1:08:04.440 yes and at this other. 1:08:04.280 --> 1:08:08.360 Thing, yes, and he's Samberg in a leotard go in 1:08:08.400 --> 1:08:08.840 the video. 1:08:09.160 --> 1:08:10.040 I don't know about that. 1:08:10.840 --> 1:08:12.200 You know, it's funny that it depends on who you 1:08:12.240 --> 1:08:14.680 are and how much kind of clout you have, because 1:08:14.680 --> 1:08:17.599 you've got like Billie Eilish and like Phineas or brother. 1:08:18.040 --> 1:08:20.360 They make records, they make weird records, but they got 1:08:20.400 --> 1:08:24.360 big organically through like TikTok or whatever, and some people 1:08:24.360 --> 1:08:27.200 say they were that's fair. 1:08:27.400 --> 1:08:28.719 I don't have no knowledge. 1:08:29.360 --> 1:08:35.680 I'm because they found it organically just but my point is, though, 1:08:35.720 --> 1:08:38.720 it's like because of that cloud, they can kind of 1:08:38.720 --> 1:08:40.760 make records that sound the way they want to make them. 1:08:40.880 --> 1:08:44.040 And he's all about samplings, snack, you know, matches, striking 1:08:44.120 --> 1:08:45.960 and things like that, which is not the norm. 1:08:45.960 --> 1:08:47.479 I would it makes weird sounds. 1:08:47.680 --> 1:08:50.880 You said, one of my favorite phrases in these kinds 1:08:50.880 --> 1:08:54.720 of conversations. Some people say, you. 1:08:54.680 --> 1:08:57.639 Know what I mean. That's what people say. 1:08:57.680 --> 1:08:58.679 I heard. 1:08:58.800 --> 1:08:59.599 Who am I to say? 1:09:00.240 --> 1:09:00.360 Right? 1:09:00.479 --> 1:09:03.080 We're talking a lot about this, the beat boops. What 1:09:03.200 --> 1:09:04.879 about the messages and the lyrics? 1:09:04.920 --> 1:09:11.280 Guys nine, number nine, nine. 1:09:11.479 --> 1:09:17.240 Number nine, nine, familiar nines, number nine. I'm familiar with 1:09:17.280 --> 1:09:19.519 the number nine. I feel like number nine. We were 1:09:19.560 --> 1:09:23.040 talking about the Beatles. They're talking about misusing equipment. A 1:09:23.200 --> 1:09:24.080 song like this. 1:09:25.000 --> 1:09:27.799 Number Revolution, number nine or whatever on the White album 1:09:28.120 --> 1:09:30.479 is what you would call music concrete or it uses 1:09:30.560 --> 1:09:34.640 these concepts of misusing tape machines, playing things backwards, you know, 1:09:34.720 --> 1:09:39.600 manipulating sounds more like an experimental way, and that is 1:09:39.640 --> 1:09:42.120 sort of the genesis of this idea of hidden messages, 1:09:42.160 --> 1:09:45.519 whether intentional or not. You know, people like Alistair Crowley, 1:09:45.560 --> 1:09:47.960 who is a big proponent of you know, the Black Arts, 1:09:48.080 --> 1:09:50.800 believe that if you played recordings backwards, you could learn 1:09:50.880 --> 1:09:53.800 to speak backwards, and you could use that to cast 1:09:53.840 --> 1:09:56.559 spells and incantations and things like that. 1:09:56.840 --> 1:10:00.000 Yeah, this is the This is the concept that there's 1:10:00.080 --> 1:10:03.599 two guys in the couch and encountered earlier back masking. 1:10:03.880 --> 1:10:04.040 Right. 1:10:04.640 --> 1:10:08.640 It's something that it's almost like someone is speaking a 1:10:08.800 --> 1:10:11.160 language that is very close to a language you speak, 1:10:11.240 --> 1:10:13.880 and you're kind of you're hearing parts of it. And 1:10:14.040 --> 1:10:17.680 what we wanted to do tonight with you and with 1:10:17.840 --> 1:10:23.080 all of us here is to explore some back masking examples. 1:10:23.120 --> 1:10:24.519 I don't know if I can hang around with this guy. 1:10:24.840 --> 1:10:31.439 Come on, I don't know. There's a pentagram underneath the coach. 1:10:32.280 --> 1:10:33.200 I don't understand. 1:10:33.240 --> 1:10:36.639 But there is a precedent for this, and the Beatles 1:10:36.680 --> 1:10:38.519 really kind of set the groundwork for it. We just 1:10:38.560 --> 1:10:41.000 heard is a very experimental track from the White album, 1:10:41.320 --> 1:10:44.280 and it started these rumors that Paul McCartney was dead 1:10:44.360 --> 1:10:46.360 because when you play number nine back, where as you 1:10:46.400 --> 1:10:58.040 get this. 1:10:57.360 --> 1:10:58.439 Turn me on dead man? 1:10:58.800 --> 1:10:59.240 Right? 1:10:59.040 --> 1:10:59.160 Right? 1:10:59.400 --> 1:10:59.559 Or? 1:10:59.840 --> 1:11:03.360 Or are we are we practicing pattern recognition? 1:11:03.439 --> 1:11:05.400 Well we're going to get to that too, for sure. 1:11:05.520 --> 1:11:08.400 What do you think a conspiracy that kind of created itself? 1:11:08.479 --> 1:11:09.519 But you're familiar with. 1:11:09.439 --> 1:11:11.360 This, I know about the Paul's that conspiracy. 1:11:11.360 --> 1:11:15.280 I gotta say, I either have never actually heard that 1:11:16.360 --> 1:11:18.280 the where it comes from, or it's just been a 1:11:18.280 --> 1:11:19.719 long enough time that I just forgotten. 1:11:20.960 --> 1:11:28.479 It's free stretch. Someone's a little too high and ran 1:11:28.520 --> 1:11:31.760 away with it. 1:11:31.880 --> 1:11:35.200 Started people talking. It started these rumblings of this idea 1:11:35.240 --> 1:11:37.560 of hidden messages. Most of them are a stretch, I 1:11:37.560 --> 1:11:39.519 would argue, and we're going to get through some and 1:11:39.520 --> 1:11:40.720 then we're going to see if we can kind of 1:11:40.760 --> 1:11:44.760 identify what they're supposedly saying. A lot of these messages 1:11:44.840 --> 1:11:48.879 were identified by Mothers Against Metal and these similar groups 1:11:49.080 --> 1:11:53.280 who believe there were hidden messages trying to convince kids 1:11:53.320 --> 1:11:55.120 to do horrible things or worships sat. 1:11:55.120 --> 1:11:58.800 They had a little bit of an agenda like underestimate 1:11:59.040 --> 1:11:59.960 parents with time on them. 1:12:00.200 --> 1:12:01.080 It's exactly. 1:12:02.520 --> 1:12:07.400 Hands Jesus, well my child, let's hear let's hear another one. 1:12:07.400 --> 1:12:09.880 Okay, let's do this is just another Beatles one really quickly. 1:12:10.080 --> 1:12:12.080 This is just also FeAs into the Paula is dead and. 1:12:12.080 --> 1:12:17.519 I'm with you. 1:12:21.600 --> 1:12:30.920 That that's a real miss miss Okay, I don't whoa 1:12:31.160 --> 1:12:31.960 what do you think? Well? 1:12:32.000 --> 1:12:34.559 I put in my rational cap on, all right, If 1:12:34.600 --> 1:12:38.120 I'm John Lennon. Yeah, and I hear that people heard 1:12:38.120 --> 1:12:40.720 that heard what they heard in that other message, and 1:12:40.920 --> 1:12:42.719 Paul is dead then yeah, I'm gonna I'm just gonna 1:12:43.800 --> 1:12:46.559 criterally say Paul is dead man, like in a kind 1:12:46.560 --> 1:12:48.200 of a weird way, but like Paul, Paul's dead man. 1:12:48.280 --> 1:12:49.920 Well, that's funny you say that, because a lot of 1:12:49.960 --> 1:12:52.240 the stuff that we're gonna hear too is people responding 1:12:52.520 --> 1:12:55.000 to the bullshit and making a little joke out of 1:12:55.040 --> 1:12:56.719 it to him Paul, and I mean, I'm sorry, John 1:12:56.760 --> 1:12:57.880 was the kind of guy that would do exactly. 1:12:58.120 --> 1:13:00.639 Yeah, you have to take him, take the piss, taking 1:13:00.680 --> 1:13:01.000 the fists. 1:13:01.000 --> 1:13:04.680 Indeed, I'll turn other one. This is actually this is 1:13:04.680 --> 1:13:06.160 one of my favorites. Let's see if you can guess 1:13:06.160 --> 1:13:08.160 who make it a game? See if you can guess 1:13:08.160 --> 1:13:09.960 who the artist is or the song is and what 1:13:10.000 --> 1:13:21.400 they're supposed to be saying, we'll work together on it. 1:13:23.200 --> 1:13:25.559 The best part the next line, it sounds like he's 1:13:25.560 --> 1:13:28.320 saying there was a little tool shed where he made 1:13:28.439 --> 1:13:33.599 us suffer. Oh my sad, sad satan, Yeah, tool shed. 1:13:33.640 --> 1:13:44.560 There is a bustle in your Yeah, I think that 1:13:44.640 --> 1:13:46.960 works for multiple Why are these words for. 1:13:46.920 --> 1:13:50.840 Things topiary, perhaps make a shape. 1:13:50.600 --> 1:13:57.240 Like something a well groomed bush, like you know, keep 1:13:57.280 --> 1:13:57.639 it up. 1:13:58.360 --> 1:14:01.360 But Jimmy Page and Robert playing like it's hard enough 1:14:01.400 --> 1:14:02.559 to make music forwards. 1:14:02.600 --> 1:14:05.400 How are you gonna like hide stuff backwards? But that 1:14:05.800 --> 1:14:08.280 sounds like you say years to my sweet Satan. You guys, 1:14:08.280 --> 1:14:08.680 I don't know. 1:14:08.800 --> 1:14:10.599 I think it's a coincidence, and it is that pattern 1:14:10.640 --> 1:14:12.120 recognition Ben's talking about. 1:14:12.120 --> 1:14:14.120 But I think that one's pretty neat. I don't know. 1:14:14.240 --> 1:14:15.720 I just want to play it forward when I hear that. 1:14:15.760 --> 1:14:23.200 I love that. Who's sitting playing Zeppelin backwards? Yeah? 1:14:23.280 --> 1:14:26.479 It is funny though, Just this this concept of learning 1:14:26.520 --> 1:14:28.640 that if something is taboo and you put it in 1:14:28.680 --> 1:14:33.519 your music, you can probably generate enough controversy that you might. 1:14:33.479 --> 1:14:36.080 Have a hit. Right. I think that might be the 1:14:36.120 --> 1:14:37.519 real conspiracy at play. 1:14:37.560 --> 1:14:37.760 Well. 1:14:37.840 --> 1:14:40.160 I mean you can feel in because these are big 1:14:40.240 --> 1:14:42.719 bands we're talking about, right, some of man for sure. 1:14:42.840 --> 1:14:45.800 But they didn't need this to become hits. No, but 1:14:45.840 --> 1:14:47.880 it is a way to keep them. 1:14:47.760 --> 1:14:48.280 In the news. 1:14:48.360 --> 1:14:53.640 Maybeelin Zeppelin was a guess Jimmy Page was into the culture. 1:14:53.920 --> 1:14:55.080 That's true, right. 1:14:54.960 --> 1:14:58.400 And so therefore either I mean, you know, maybe it's 1:14:58.479 --> 1:14:59.559 just taking the piss again and. 1:14:59.800 --> 1:15:03.280 Maybe uh or maybe yeah, maybe. 1:15:03.200 --> 1:15:05.679 Do you think it's something? Do you think it's something? 1:15:05.720 --> 1:15:08.600 Where he was seriously trying to sell the rest of 1:15:08.640 --> 1:15:11.280 the band on it, and they were like, come on, man, 1:15:11.360 --> 1:15:15.559 it's four thirty, it's a Friday. Can we just sure, fine, 1:15:15.680 --> 1:15:18.640 fine do it. I'm sure. I'm sure they capitulated to 1:15:18.680 --> 1:15:19.240 Jimmy a lot. 1:15:19.840 --> 1:15:22.200 The tricky thing though, is like Stereoid Heaven's a really 1:15:22.200 --> 1:15:25.080 great song. It's beautiful, the melody is great, everything about 1:15:25.360 --> 1:15:28.160 so to make it sound super cool and beautiful and 1:15:28.160 --> 1:15:32.000 perfect forward just to have this secret hidden backwards message and. 1:15:32.080 --> 1:15:32.559 That's a lot. 1:15:32.600 --> 1:15:35.120 That's a tall order, tall order. It's also kind of 1:15:35.160 --> 1:15:36.800 cool if they did do it. If they did do. 1:15:36.760 --> 1:15:38.400 It, it's kind of cool Floyd Dark Side of the 1:15:38.439 --> 1:15:40.479 Moon sinking up with the Wizard of Oz, Like I 1:15:40.520 --> 1:15:42.800 really truly don't believe they could have pulled that off, but. 1:15:42.760 --> 1:15:45.160 It really does work. Great happy accident, I think so. 1:15:45.240 --> 1:15:45.960 But it's really neat. 1:15:46.040 --> 1:15:49.280 That's a really neat one's experience here. Let's let's do another. So, oh, actually, 1:15:49.280 --> 1:15:51.320 before we get to this, what I wanted to point out, 1:15:51.439 --> 1:15:54.559 so Matt said the idea of, you know, trying to 1:15:54.600 --> 1:15:57.320 do this to get some attention, whether it's wanted attention 1:15:57.400 --> 1:15:58.120 or on wanted attention. 1:15:58.200 --> 1:16:01.519 Judas Priest actually sued at. 1:16:01.439 --> 1:16:04.880 The Best of Mothers against Metal because they had a 1:16:04.920 --> 1:16:08.479 song that, supposedly, when played backwards, says do it, do it, 1:16:08.560 --> 1:16:13.360 and some unfortunately very disturbed young people took their own lives, 1:16:13.479 --> 1:16:16.400 and the Mothers blamed this hidden message that Judas pre 1:16:16.520 --> 1:16:21.120 supposedly had used to target youths to do horrible things 1:16:21.120 --> 1:16:21.760 to themselves. 1:16:21.880 --> 1:16:24.160 That's not how I would have interpreted that message, as you. 1:16:24.360 --> 1:16:26.800 First, Yeah, that's not what I would have gone with 1:16:26.840 --> 1:16:29.200 that you never got I would have done before I 1:16:29.240 --> 1:16:29.680 got through that. 1:16:29.720 --> 1:16:33.160 But okay, Nike never got in trouble and the judge 1:16:33.200 --> 1:16:35.439 threw it out because there was no sufficient evidence. And 1:16:35.520 --> 1:16:37.599 Rob Halford and their attorney said, look, if we were 1:16:37.640 --> 1:16:40.599 gonna hide hidden messages in our music, it would be like. 1:16:40.600 --> 1:16:44.240 Buy more records, not you know, he did. 1:16:44.320 --> 1:16:46.599 Take your own life to our listeners. It didn't really 1:16:47.120 --> 1:16:48.280 help us out very much. 1:16:48.320 --> 1:16:51.439 So have you guys seen those videos that supposedly are 1:16:51.600 --> 1:16:56.559 like older musicians talking about how there were some weird 1:16:56.680 --> 1:16:57.759 rituals going. 1:16:57.520 --> 1:16:59.519 On with Matt. 1:16:59.640 --> 1:17:01.080 Yeah, I'm so on board. 1:17:01.240 --> 1:17:03.519 There's some weird stuff out there that you can find, 1:17:03.880 --> 1:17:07.760 and there are actual musicians, and I cannot discern if 1:17:07.760 --> 1:17:11.439 they are joking. 1:17:10.000 --> 1:17:11.799 About what are we talking We're talking. 1:17:11.600 --> 1:17:16.000 To seventies, Yeah, in the seventies, eighties, sixties, eighties. 1:17:16.160 --> 1:17:19.639 Where you know they're it's like a single artist saying well, yeah, 1:17:19.680 --> 1:17:22.439 there there was a ritual room, did some stuff and 1:17:22.439 --> 1:17:23.519 we were putting on a new record. 1:17:23.520 --> 1:17:25.320 But anyway, it was just I never do it too 1:17:25.360 --> 1:17:27.519 seriously and you're just like a type stuff. 1:17:27.560 --> 1:17:31.519 What I can't discern if they're joking or not. 1:17:31.920 --> 1:17:35.120 Well, also, did they just go to a really weird 1:17:35.160 --> 1:17:39.599 house party? Like I think it's been at weird parties right. 1:17:39.560 --> 1:17:42.240 So very very odd. 1:17:42.320 --> 1:17:45.880 Yeah, let's do another one, Shelly, Yes, let's go back 1:17:45.880 --> 1:17:46.879 to they love. 1:17:46.720 --> 1:18:00.839 It sounds smoke marijuana. 1:18:03.040 --> 1:18:08.040 Okay, behind that that's great for you. 1:18:08.680 --> 1:18:11.200 Do you know the song and the artist Queen? That's Queen. 1:18:11.200 --> 1:18:16.960 Another one that groove ship Backwards forward silent No one, 1:18:18.600 --> 1:18:19.439 another one. 1:18:20.880 --> 1:18:21.320 So good? 1:18:21.600 --> 1:18:24.840 Wait, so where is that backwards part in the song? 1:18:25.280 --> 1:18:27.160 It's that the break. 1:18:27.560 --> 1:18:38.000 Wait, so it's just that backwards that's the reason. 1:18:38.160 --> 1:18:39.599 That's another one who writes the guests. 1:18:42.760 --> 1:18:46.559 Okay, but remember hearing it in the song when I 1:18:46.600 --> 1:18:47.120 listened to it. 1:18:47.120 --> 1:18:50.080 But hold on. So even though I support that message, 1:18:50.320 --> 1:18:52.800 so I want to believe that was really We're on. 1:18:53.320 --> 1:18:55.640 I want to believe that was real. But okay, so 1:18:55.880 --> 1:18:57.400 what's the process though? So like. 1:18:58.840 --> 1:19:01.400 That Freddie Mercury was in the studio and goes into 1:19:01.439 --> 1:19:05.760 mic and says, smoke marijuana, goy guys, guys played backwards 1:19:05.840 --> 1:19:08.120 and then it goes and he's like, and then. 1:19:08.040 --> 1:19:14.400 He yeah, that sounds kind of like that. Get back 1:19:14.439 --> 1:19:17.519 in that vocal booth. Yeah, I mean maybe. 1:19:17.680 --> 1:19:21.440 But then then the question becomes, why does the cadence 1:19:21.520 --> 1:19:25.479 sound so correct in the in the forward version? Right 1:19:25.600 --> 1:19:28.040 if the backward version was the original one. 1:19:27.920 --> 1:19:28.920 And it is an odd phrase? 1:19:28.960 --> 1:19:31.160 I got that, I mean another one by I mean, 1:19:31.280 --> 1:19:32.880 it's not that weird, but it's kind of like it's 1:19:32.880 --> 1:19:33.480 a little. 1:19:33.240 --> 1:19:37.280 They've done so they had some weird choices and lyricism, 1:19:37.360 --> 1:19:40.960 like seven seas Awry. So that what is that song about? 1:19:41.160 --> 1:19:42.720 I guess I'm reading into it too much. 1:19:42.760 --> 1:19:46.000 It's probably just I just want to ride my bicycle 1:19:46.240 --> 1:19:46.880 all the time. 1:19:49.680 --> 1:19:50.360 It's a great song. 1:19:50.439 --> 1:19:52.559 But despite that, it's like it's like that's could be 1:19:52.560 --> 1:19:55.639 a bat song very easily. I mean the line between 1:19:55.680 --> 1:19:59.640 like like greatness and like ship is like the Beatles 1:20:00.120 --> 1:20:01.880 is a ship name, like if you were like everyone, 1:20:01.960 --> 1:20:04.960 like everyone worries about naming things like the most incredible thing. 1:20:04.960 --> 1:20:06.720 Everybody's like gotta come up with the name for these things. 1:20:06.720 --> 1:20:08.960 It's gotta be like revolutionary, and it's gotta be short. 1:20:09.080 --> 1:20:10.479 It's gotta have a hit, a message, and it's like 1:20:10.479 --> 1:20:12.479 the Beatles, I wouldn't be the fucking Beatles and it's 1:20:12.520 --> 1:20:18.200 gonna be like it sucks, but it's honestly the greatest 1:20:18.240 --> 1:20:19.960 name ever. So it's like it's just what they did 1:20:20.000 --> 1:20:22.160 with the name, you know, like they became the greatest 1:20:22.200 --> 1:20:23.200 man ever, were like the Beatles. 1:20:23.200 --> 1:20:25.080 That's fucking awesome. It's kind of easier. 1:20:25.240 --> 1:20:29.400 It's kind of easier to back back then because there 1:20:29.479 --> 1:20:33.120 were fewer bands that had already called names even. 1:20:33.439 --> 1:20:36.280 Which makes it even more of like egregious, like pick 1:20:36.320 --> 1:20:39.800 a better fucking name. I just had Smoking Robinson in 1:20:39.840 --> 1:20:42.040 the podcast. He was like unbroken Record and he was like, 1:20:42.160 --> 1:20:44.360 you know, I started like listening back to motown stuff again. 1:20:44.400 --> 1:20:48.200 I'm like the Supremes the Miracles, the four these are 1:20:48.240 --> 1:20:48.880 fucking names. 1:20:48.960 --> 1:20:50.600 These are this is incredible. 1:20:50.760 --> 1:20:53.160 But then we had the Indy Sleeves era where the 1:20:53.280 --> 1:20:56.759 thus came back and we got the Strokes, the yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:20:57.640 --> 1:21:01.360 There's more. I just wanted a snake why why different? 1:21:03.439 --> 1:21:05.000 If you guys don't mind, though, I would love to 1:21:05.200 --> 1:21:07.840 end the game on a couple of intentional ones that 1:21:07.920 --> 1:21:10.360 I think are really fun. Because we talked about Yeah, 1:21:10.439 --> 1:21:12.240 I think you're right, it's a tall order to get 1:21:12.280 --> 1:21:14.040 this in there in the way that you would be 1:21:14.120 --> 1:21:17.680 intended to be heard and communicate a subliminal message. But 1:21:17.840 --> 1:21:22.120 this legacy of this is legendary in the music world, 1:21:22.280 --> 1:21:23.960 and so there's folks kind of picked up on that 1:21:24.120 --> 1:21:25.920 sort of made that a little fun with it. 1:21:26.000 --> 1:21:27.519 So let's try. Let's hear a couple of those. 1:21:29.479 --> 1:21:30.120 Carry car. 1:21:40.120 --> 1:21:41.400 Can you guess who the artist is? 1:21:41.439 --> 1:21:41.840 At least? 1:21:42.439 --> 1:21:54.400 Can you play it again? Yeah? What you said you 1:21:54.520 --> 1:21:58.759 two is a two in it? Who the B fifty 1:21:58.800 --> 1:22:03.439 two is? Okay? Okay, that's right, Let's play it here. 1:22:03.520 --> 1:22:06.240 That's that's the forward versions got the backwards message in it. 1:22:06.320 --> 1:22:07.599 Here is what it sounds like. We used to play 1:22:07.640 --> 1:22:08.800 the record backwards. 1:22:19.439 --> 1:22:22.639 Record watch out. 1:22:27.600 --> 1:22:31.560 So that one clearly done on purpose. Leaning into this. 1:22:32.160 --> 1:22:34.639 You play your record backwards, watch. 1:22:34.479 --> 1:22:36.040 Out, you might ruin your needle. 1:22:36.680 --> 1:22:38.120 But I buried my parents. 1:22:38.200 --> 1:22:39.960 I buried my parakeet in the backyard. 1:22:40.080 --> 1:22:41.240 You get in situations. 1:22:41.680 --> 1:22:44.840 It's true, it's true. Okay, And this is the last. 1:22:44.600 --> 1:23:09.320 One guy, and arguably the horniest song of all. 1:23:09.280 --> 1:23:11.040 Time, darling nicky. 1:23:11.600 --> 1:23:13.679 And this is at the end of the song as 1:23:13.840 --> 1:23:17.200 a f u to the record industry and to these 1:23:17.280 --> 1:23:21.360 puritanical folks. And he's obviously a devout religious man. Jeh 1:23:21.439 --> 1:23:22.680 whit is when I'm mistaken. 1:23:23.680 --> 1:23:26.000 But not he was lapsed. I think this fair enough, 1:23:26.080 --> 1:23:27.560 but this is what But well do you tell me? 1:23:27.640 --> 1:23:34.559 And when you hear this, I. 1:23:49.800 --> 1:23:50.479 Like that song. 1:23:52.200 --> 1:23:56.160 It's the end of that Doctor basically hit a Bible 1:23:56.320 --> 1:23:58.920 verse in horning a song of all time. 1:23:59.280 --> 1:24:02.880 I just love that's so Prince, Well, the Lord is coming. 1:24:02.960 --> 1:24:06.280 We could talk about the phrase. Maybe it's not talking. 1:24:06.560 --> 1:24:07.920 That's good. 1:24:08.040 --> 1:24:12.880 Yeah, yeah, again open to interpretation, but we see we 1:24:13.040 --> 1:24:17.559 see something here through this exploration that shows us there's 1:24:17.760 --> 1:24:22.519 like music is technically math, but there's something inexplicable about it. 1:24:22.840 --> 1:24:26.320 There's something that I think naturally lends itself to the 1:24:26.439 --> 1:24:30.479 conspiratorial and when we were talking about it didn't take 1:24:30.560 --> 1:24:33.080 us long, folks. We were hanging out and talking about 1:24:33.479 --> 1:24:37.200 just the idea of sound and conspiracy. We got to 1:24:37.280 --> 1:24:41.840 the music industry, We got to some of your your 1:24:42.000 --> 1:24:45.880 takes on the biggest conspiracy theories in the world of music, 1:24:46.520 --> 1:24:51.679 one of which would be just simply put Paola's Paola real. 1:24:52.120 --> 1:24:55.720 I mean, yeah, yeah, it was in in in I mean, 1:24:56.000 --> 1:24:59.720 it was a huge scandal and we worked for iHeartRadio. 1:24:59.760 --> 1:25:02.160 We had to take classes about pale We did we. 1:25:02.280 --> 1:25:06.799 Know they were They were very specifically for people more famous. 1:25:07.000 --> 1:25:11.200 Old school though Paola is a product of old school radio, right, 1:25:11.320 --> 1:25:12.240 old school broadcast. 1:25:12.479 --> 1:25:15.640 I mean it apparently continued in forms and such. I mean, 1:25:15.920 --> 1:25:17.880 you know, but yeah, it was like it was like 1:25:18.520 --> 1:25:21.240 I wasn't there were like congressional hearing. It was like 1:25:21.320 --> 1:25:23.160 a big deal, like this was happening because it was 1:25:23.240 --> 1:25:24.440 distorting in the marketplace. 1:25:24.880 --> 1:25:27.280 D mean that you pay to play, right, you pay 1:25:27.320 --> 1:25:27.920 to play yeah, right. 1:25:27.960 --> 1:25:31.160 You go to a disc jockey and it's like here's 1:25:31.160 --> 1:25:33.840 this new record and here's uh, here's a hundred bucks 1:25:33.880 --> 1:25:36.040 you know, or whatever would have been equivalent a hundred bucks. 1:25:36.280 --> 1:25:38.320 Oh, Wow, day right, we got to adjust for inflation. 1:25:39.240 --> 1:25:41.000 Yeah, he's he's yeah, here's a nickel. 1:25:41.360 --> 1:25:41.639 Okay. 1:25:41.880 --> 1:25:44.080 I have to admit I'm guilty of this. When I 1:25:44.320 --> 1:25:47.679 was in a band in college, I tried to pay 1:25:47.800 --> 1:25:51.000 the disc jockey at eighty eight point five in Atlanta. 1:25:51.680 --> 1:25:53.479 That's that's our college radio station. 1:25:53.680 --> 1:25:54.120 I didn't know. 1:25:54.320 --> 1:25:56.240 I just was like, will you take money and take 1:25:56.280 --> 1:25:56.719 my record? 1:25:56.760 --> 1:25:57.280 Did it work? 1:25:58.640 --> 1:25:58.680 Like? 1:25:58.920 --> 1:25:58.960 No? 1:25:59.360 --> 1:26:03.240 Cc no? But justin what do you say as we 1:26:03.320 --> 1:26:04.040 wrap up the show? 1:26:04.080 --> 1:26:07.839 Do you have any conspiracy theories in the music industry 1:26:07.920 --> 1:26:10.280 that are like you gotta just get off your chet? 1:26:11.080 --> 1:26:12.280 Ah? Do I have any? 1:26:12.400 --> 1:26:12.559 Well? 1:26:12.640 --> 1:26:13.400 You know, I don't know. 1:26:13.600 --> 1:26:15.320 Man, you're comfortable talking. 1:26:16.640 --> 1:26:21.479 I can't talk about anything that I know about. I 1:26:21.560 --> 1:26:26.559 don't know anything well, you know, I mean, I mean. 1:26:28.320 --> 1:26:31.719 You know, I mean think about what we think about 1:26:32.000 --> 1:26:38.040 like Kendrick Lamar Okay, Drake manufacturer? Is there some manufacturing 1:26:38.120 --> 1:26:40.439 going on or is that a real I don't know 1:26:40.560 --> 1:26:43.760 what record. Everyone's mad at Drake, I mean from I'm 1:26:43.760 --> 1:26:46.560 from l A. My family's from Compton, So you know, 1:26:46.880 --> 1:26:48.200 come on, what am I gonna say? I'm gonna say 1:26:48.200 --> 1:26:52.559 anything against Kendrick, But everyone's mad about the Drake lawsuits. 1:26:54.520 --> 1:26:57.240 I'm kind of interested. I'm kind of like, I'm interested 1:26:57.360 --> 1:26:59.000 what will come out of that. I don't know if 1:26:59.080 --> 1:27:00.439 much will because I think will. 1:27:03.120 --> 1:27:06.439 Drake is suing Universal Music Group, which is like they 1:27:06.520 --> 1:27:10.800 have their their and let me let me please, guys, 1:27:10.840 --> 1:27:12.439 I love Universal Music Group, by the way, so I 1:27:12.479 --> 1:27:16.360 don't want to love music Universal Music Group. I mean 1:27:17.120 --> 1:27:21.360 they have a wonderful catalog. I think they have wonderful leadership, 1:27:22.200 --> 1:27:29.280 wonderful teams. Yeah, there wonderful facilities, incredible, let me job. 1:27:30.240 --> 1:27:34.160 I love Universal Music Group. But their market share is like, 1:27:34.240 --> 1:27:37.559 you know, over like roughly a third and sometimes more. 1:27:37.600 --> 1:27:39.360 Sometimes rightly call them. 1:27:40.320 --> 1:27:41.120 Yeah, they're huge. 1:27:41.200 --> 1:27:43.639 You know, there's only three major record labels, and they're 1:27:44.680 --> 1:27:48.920 far and away the largest and most important, and both 1:27:49.000 --> 1:27:51.320 Drake and Kendrick are signed to them, and Drake is 1:27:51.400 --> 1:27:55.519 now suing them, saying that they basically engaged in modern 1:27:55.560 --> 1:27:59.479 forms of payola, which is like using bot farms to 1:28:00.120 --> 1:28:04.200 create and and and influencers to you know, sort of 1:28:04.280 --> 1:28:07.960 increase the places of Kendrick Lamar's not like us in order. 1:28:07.920 --> 1:28:11.120 To defame Drake, and so that's his thing. 1:28:12.040 --> 1:28:14.960 The additional conspiracy on top of that that the Internet 1:28:15.000 --> 1:28:18.479 is running away with is that Universal did it because 1:28:18.640 --> 1:28:23.439 Drake's due to renegotiate his contract with UMG, and obviously 1:28:23.600 --> 1:28:26.080 Drake is worth a lot of money. And if I'm 1:28:26.160 --> 1:28:28.599 Drake and I got to renegotiate with Universal Music Group, 1:28:28.640 --> 1:28:33.439 who I know is like the biggest, you know, most. 1:28:33.360 --> 1:28:37.040 Money making, most wonderful and beautiful and excellent. 1:28:36.960 --> 1:28:40.720 Music company out there, along with Warner and so like 1:28:40.760 --> 1:28:43.840 that like as like there's a lot of money here, 1:28:43.880 --> 1:28:45.240 Like let me like what like and I've made a 1:28:45.280 --> 1:28:46.920 lot of money for you, Like this contract is going 1:28:46.960 --> 1:28:48.400 to be a contract, and so like they're saying that 1:28:48.520 --> 1:28:53.920 they purposely you know, boosted that and maybe maybe even 1:28:53.960 --> 1:28:57.559 manufactured to remove his leverage, to move his leverage and contract. 1:28:57.560 --> 1:28:59.000 And the British would call that. 1:28:59.080 --> 1:29:05.320 Dirty pool, Yeah they would. Well, I've got one follow 1:29:05.400 --> 1:29:07.760 up there. There's this dude, Jason Pargan and if you 1:29:07.800 --> 1:29:11.840 wrote yeah daily so he's he makes these fun little 1:29:12.520 --> 1:29:16.000 YouTube videos just kind of commenting on pop culture type stuff. 1:29:16.040 --> 1:29:17.559 And he pointed out that he thought it was really 1:29:17.640 --> 1:29:20.760 strange that the song not Like Us Like accuses a 1:29:20.880 --> 1:29:25.120 dude of being a sex predator, a pedophile basically and 1:29:25.360 --> 1:29:28.720 that it's getting like TikTok and he's looking straight into 1:29:28.760 --> 1:29:30.800 the camera on the Super Bowl and saying this stuff 1:29:30.800 --> 1:29:32.840 and people are shouting and like it's a fun thing, 1:29:33.479 --> 1:29:35.840 and it's like incredibly defamatory. 1:29:36.120 --> 1:29:38.040 I don't want I don't want to go again again again. 1:29:38.080 --> 1:29:40.000 I got my my rooster on content, man, So I 1:29:40.040 --> 1:29:42.439 don't really want to really disparage Kendrick in any sort 1:29:42.479 --> 1:29:45.280 of way. But I feel like this is a safe 1:29:45.320 --> 1:29:48.880 place to say this. Sure, And I'm not really saying anything. 1:29:48.880 --> 1:29:51.000 I'm just sort of like wondering in questioning, I'm wondering. 1:29:51.080 --> 1:29:53.720 I'm just curious in general about our society's obsessional with 1:29:53.760 --> 1:29:59.640 pedophil Like obviously, like it's a terrible thing, like obviously, right, 1:30:00.160 --> 1:30:00.400 got it? 1:30:00.479 --> 1:30:02.479 Like, but it's like why are universally bad? 1:30:02.640 --> 1:30:06.360 Yeah, but why why do we all walk around like we, 1:30:06.640 --> 1:30:09.640 I mean people walk around like talking about it, like 1:30:09.760 --> 1:30:11.760 as if like to say, like, I am not a 1:30:11.840 --> 1:30:12.600 pedoph It's like, well, I. 1:30:12.600 --> 1:30:14.800 Don't assume most people that I meet are, Yeah, but 1:30:14.880 --> 1:30:16.360 we are obsessed with it. And it makes me wonder 1:30:16.439 --> 1:30:17.840 like maybe there are more. I don't know, Like it 1:30:17.920 --> 1:30:18.519 just freaks me out. 1:30:18.520 --> 1:30:21.360 But there's a lot of conspiracies around pedophilia, absolutely, especially 1:30:21.360 --> 1:30:25.400 in the political world, the music world, I'm sure in 1:30:25.439 --> 1:30:28.000 all the other worlds. But what is our society's obsession 1:30:28.120 --> 1:30:30.680 with pedophilia? I wonder if in twenty Houston I will 1:30:30.680 --> 1:30:32.040 look back at it. I think it's kind of weird 1:30:32.160 --> 1:30:36.000 and if that like a minor you know line is 1:30:36.080 --> 1:30:38.599 not just like the peak pinnacle strangeness of it all, 1:30:38.680 --> 1:30:39.880 Like why are we obsessed with this? 1:30:40.120 --> 1:30:43.519 It's say, it's an iteration of I mean, part of it, 1:30:43.720 --> 1:30:47.920 we could argue is it's the following phase one. It's 1:30:47.960 --> 1:30:52.040 a It's something that despite any demographic difference, everyone can 1:30:52.120 --> 1:30:55.519 agree is just horrific and bad. Right, unite, right, So. 1:30:55.520 --> 1:30:56.800 Why do we need to watch? So why do we 1:30:56.840 --> 1:30:59.040 need to be dead? We know he doesn't know what 1:30:59.160 --> 1:31:01.120 this is. I mean, you we'll do it, but we then. 1:31:01.040 --> 1:31:03.880 We Here's what Because it is so bad, it can 1:31:03.960 --> 1:31:10.240 be weaponized to like associate, being right to associate? 1:31:10.360 --> 1:31:12.600 So what was like the nineteenes because okay, so like 1:31:12.720 --> 1:31:15.680 what was like in the nineteen seventies, what was a scoundrel? 1:31:16.680 --> 1:31:20.080 That's that's like a philanderer? Like what was like what 1:31:20.240 --> 1:31:22.120 was the great like the thing that they just yeah, 1:31:22.240 --> 1:31:24.439 like leverage, Yeah, gotcha, gotch. 1:31:24.800 --> 1:31:27.800 So we we made a show about the Atlanta missing 1:31:27.960 --> 1:31:32.800 murdered case back several years ago called Atlanta Monster. And 1:31:33.040 --> 1:31:35.920 in the coverage from the late seventies in Atlanta, like 1:31:36.000 --> 1:31:40.240 nineteen seventy eight, when they're talking about those who abused children, 1:31:40.320 --> 1:31:43.000 they didn't have the word pedophile and it wasn't used, 1:31:43.040 --> 1:31:45.519 and a lot of these the terminology wasn't even used 1:31:45.560 --> 1:31:48.120 for this kind of thing because it wasn't in the 1:31:48.200 --> 1:31:52.360 zeitgeist to think about that type, that specific type of heinous. 1:31:52.080 --> 1:31:55.200 Abuse of children. And it was that wasn't like investigated. 1:31:55.240 --> 1:31:57.799 It wasn't like a unit of the police department. 1:31:58.240 --> 1:32:00.320 No, no, it is not. 1:32:00.640 --> 1:32:00.680 No. 1:32:02.160 --> 1:32:04.080 But again, like sex crimes in general, that kind of 1:32:04.080 --> 1:32:07.040 stuff like that that comes later where there's specialization in 1:32:07.120 --> 1:32:09.320 that kind of stuff. So I think what I'm just 1:32:09.479 --> 1:32:12.040 my only argument is that the Internet revealed a lot 1:32:12.200 --> 1:32:14.679 of horrifying things to humanity. 1:32:14.800 --> 1:32:18.320 Sure, there aren't more skeletons in the closet, there are 1:32:18.439 --> 1:32:21.320 just more flashlights, yes, And then. 1:32:21.479 --> 1:32:25.280 We find out things about very prominent individuals you know 1:32:25.479 --> 1:32:28.840 that people grew up watching for decades or you love 1:32:28.920 --> 1:32:32.160 that well, I'm just saying, you learn those things right, 1:32:32.200 --> 1:32:33.560 and then all of a sudden a bit of the 1:32:33.640 --> 1:32:36.560 illusion is shattered what reality is. 1:32:36.920 --> 1:32:40.160 So maybe you start to assume there's a higher likelihood 1:32:40.360 --> 1:32:42.400 than you once assumed, or something like that. 1:32:42.800 --> 1:32:45.679 Because like the way, we don't like hitchhike anymore, because 1:32:45.680 --> 1:32:48.120 we kind of understand that's actually. 1:32:50.360 --> 1:32:52.160 We don't walk around like we don't like I mean, 1:32:52.200 --> 1:32:53.639 I guess maybe do we. I don't know, we don't. 1:32:53.640 --> 1:32:55.360 We don't talk about it all that much anymore, right, 1:32:55.400 --> 1:32:57.000 Like would be great to get to that place where 1:32:57.000 --> 1:32:58.920 we're not constantly It's. 1:32:58.840 --> 1:33:00.800 Kind of like my own second. It's more like I 1:33:00.880 --> 1:33:02.040 don't know, like we're. 1:33:01.880 --> 1:33:05.240 Not constantly warning each other about hitch hiking. Yeah, no, no, 1:33:05.360 --> 1:33:07.200 and we all understand, hey, what are you doing after 1:33:07.280 --> 1:33:08.840 the show? Better not be hitchhiking. 1:33:11.800 --> 1:33:14.479 Another way, in another way, though, haven't we lost a 1:33:14.520 --> 1:33:16.200 lot when we lost like the hitch hiking as a 1:33:16.200 --> 1:33:18.040 good thing, Like this is a very romantic thing. 1:33:17.960 --> 1:33:22.599 Like maybe I wish I could, I wish I could hitchhike. 1:33:22.680 --> 1:33:25.040 But you're right, that's why it's such a great comparison. 1:33:25.400 --> 1:33:27.920 The zeitgeist got in my head. I am convinced that 1:33:28.040 --> 1:33:30.960 if I if I tried to hitchhike in this country, 1:33:31.320 --> 1:33:33.639 then the only people who would pick me up would 1:33:33.680 --> 1:33:35.080 be people I don't want to hang out. 1:33:35.600 --> 1:33:38.240 We take ubers all the time, and somehow that's safe and. 1:33:38.680 --> 1:33:40.400 That's more transactional, Like it's true. 1:33:40.439 --> 1:33:42.560 I'm just saying it's it's by the way, Like just 1:33:42.600 --> 1:33:43.559 like if anyone who picked. 1:33:43.439 --> 1:33:44.960 Up a hitch hiker was like a serial killer, Like 1:33:44.960 --> 1:33:47.400 I'm pretty sure like the police would get that pretty squid, 1:33:48.560 --> 1:33:52.839 that pretty easy, open and shut, like send the undercover 1:33:52.960 --> 1:33:55.799 out the hitch the undercover hitchhiker. 1:33:56.000 --> 1:33:59.080 Yeah maybe maybe maybe maybe that exists. 1:34:00.200 --> 1:34:04.160 That exists, but we do know something that exists for sure. 1:34:04.840 --> 1:34:07.160 We've had Thank you so much for being with us, folks. 1:34:07.800 --> 1:34:08.719 The audience exists. 1:34:10.520 --> 1:34:15.719 Exist also a conspiracy at foot big thanks to National 1:34:15.880 --> 1:34:18.920 saw Dust. Big thanks to you, and big thanks to you. 1:34:19.240 --> 1:34:22.200 Justin here's one of my favorite conspiracies. I hear it's 1:34:22.400 --> 1:34:26.240 true that you are making another appearance at this very venue. 1:34:26.439 --> 1:34:27.799 Oh wow, that was masterful. 1:34:28.000 --> 1:34:32.080 Oh goodness, I know with this, Yes, yeah, yeah, I'll 1:34:32.080 --> 1:34:35.599 be here Friday night at seven thirty seven thirty seven 1:34:35.640 --> 1:34:36.639 thirty start time. 1:34:37.320 --> 1:34:42.480 With Daniel Lanoi who so coo great, great, great producer, incredible, 1:34:42.680 --> 1:34:46.559 you know, one of the originals of ambient music along 1:34:46.560 --> 1:34:49.240 with Brian Eno and you know together they produced You Too. 1:34:49.400 --> 1:34:51.840 And he did the Dylan comeback will. 1:34:51.680 --> 1:34:53.720 He did Old Mercy and Time out of Mind, which 1:34:53.760 --> 1:34:56.120 is like the big nineties come back Dylan record, and 1:34:56.800 --> 1:34:57.040 like you. 1:34:57.040 --> 1:34:59.240 Know, Peter Gabriel so and so many other things. I 1:34:59.360 --> 1:35:00.400 just really interesting guy. 1:35:00.640 --> 1:35:03.519 He's gonna have his pedal steel, all lot of stuff 1:35:03.720 --> 1:35:04.800 and we'll talk about some stuff. 1:35:05.680 --> 1:35:07.000 We can't be here, I got we gotta go to 1:35:07.040 --> 1:35:11.640 another thing. Don't tell people that don't actually they will 1:35:11.640 --> 1:35:14.200 be here, to be here. That'll be here. 1:35:14.240 --> 1:35:18.240 Every huge Brian and a fan, huge Daniel and one 1:35:18.280 --> 1:35:20.200 fun Really that's awesome that you're gonna get to to 1:35:20.240 --> 1:35:23.800 talk to him and so again, thank you. 1:35:24.120 --> 1:35:27.240 Justin we're gonna hang out. Uh, the bar is open 1:35:27.400 --> 1:35:29.240 for a little while if you like, if you like 1:35:29.360 --> 1:35:33.720 to hop Okay, cool, I was yeah, I was just 1:35:33.840 --> 1:35:36.439 trying to push that one. Yeah, that's great if I 1:35:36.520 --> 1:35:39.000 say it loud enough, big big thanks of course to 1:35:39.120 --> 1:35:41.639 Scott and Eric. Let's have a hand Yay. 1:35:43.160 --> 1:35:45.799 We got Garth up in the booth here. We got Mary. 1:35:46.240 --> 1:35:50.040 We got Mary l who else we got up there whilst. 1:35:49.680 --> 1:35:51.680 We got up there, Cody, we got Tandy. Oh, we 1:35:51.800 --> 1:35:54.960 got so many cute amazing that helped out. They just 1:35:55.040 --> 1:35:56.000 work here in her cool. 1:35:56.479 --> 1:35:56.920 We got you. 1:35:57.439 --> 1:36:00.200 You're Matt, my name's Matt. We got you to me, 1:36:00.360 --> 1:36:01.479 no hright, we got Scott. 1:36:01.520 --> 1:36:02.840 We got Eric Eric sounds. 1:36:02.880 --> 1:36:04.920 I got a great band on Sports Code And if 1:36:04.920 --> 1:36:06.520 you're into a weird ambient. 1:36:06.240 --> 1:36:07.760 Music, you should talk to him and buy one of 1:36:07.840 --> 1:36:08.320 his records. 1:36:08.760 --> 1:36:10.320 And thank you guys so much for being. 1:36:10.160 --> 1:36:10.760 Called me Ben. 1:36:11.000 --> 1:36:11.599 Thank you so much. 1:36:11.640 --> 1:36:11.880 Folks. 1:36:11.920 --> 1:36:12.599 We'll see you soon. 1:36:45.880 --> 1:36:47.920 Stuff they don't want you to know is a production 1:36:48.080 --> 1:36:52.559 of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, 1:36:52.680 --> 1:36:55.519 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.