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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M Hello,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my

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Speaker 1: name is Noel. They called me Ben. We are joined

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Speaker 1: with our super producer Paul Michig controlled decade. Most importantly,

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Speaker 1: you are you. You are here, and that makes this

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Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know, whether you are

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Speaker 1: listening on a laptop, a tablet, or your phone, which

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Speaker 1: is overwhelmingly likely. Right, Hopefully you're not listening to your

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Speaker 1: phone through the earpiece that's designed to listen when you're talking,

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Speaker 1: as like an actual phone, because that would be silly

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Speaker 1: to listen to a podcast that way. Don't do that.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean, which one? You mean? Like the

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Speaker 1: little like as if you're taking a call holding it

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Speaker 1: up to your ear. Don't listen to partcast. Surely there's somebody,

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Speaker 1: probably a Williamsburg, who is listening to this on a

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Speaker 1: landline rotary phone. Look, yeah, it's like the audio signal

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Speaker 1: is just interpreted as a series of clicks. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: listen to all my podcasts after I burned them. To vinyl,

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Speaker 1: like I cut them to vinyl and then I listen.

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Speaker 1: I'm a cassette guy nowadays. Just this is This is

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Speaker 1: weird though, because we are talking about how quickly technology

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Speaker 1: evolves today, and we're also talking about the unintended ripple

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Speaker 1: effects of of technology. And it's strange because not only

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Speaker 1: are we seeing continual breakthroughs in multiple areas of technical innovation,

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Speaker 1: we're also seeing the frequency of those breakthroughs increase. You

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Speaker 1: across the span of human civilization, maybe it took us

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Speaker 1: several thousand years to figure out something we consider very

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Speaker 1: basic today. And now it seems that all you have

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Speaker 1: to do is not check the news for about a week,

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Speaker 1: and when you check back in you will find something new,

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Speaker 1: amazing and horrified. Yeah, it's a brave new world. Every time,

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Speaker 1: every single time, I have a personal question that I

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Speaker 1: thought would be a good way to kick off today's episode.

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Speaker 1: This is for you, guys. This is also for you

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Speaker 1: listening out there in internet land, fellow conspiracy realist. The

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Speaker 1: question is this, when did you get your first cell phone? Also,

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Speaker 1: side question, I think we talked about this on a

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Speaker 1: previous episode. Who had a beeper. I had a beeper.

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Speaker 1: I had a beeper, remember the codes. I had one

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Speaker 1: of those nice little clear green Motorola's. Yeah. I didn't

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Speaker 1: sell drugs, guys, so I never had Matt. Matt the

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Speaker 1: judgment just for keeping up the pals. I'm totally joking.

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Speaker 1: I just never had one. I wished that I had

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Speaker 1: when I had friends that had beepers. But uh, I

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Speaker 1: guess nowadays that's what they're used for, if they're used doctors. Actually,

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Speaker 1: they're tremendously popular in the medical field with like getting one,

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Speaker 1: like you need to be here certain places, I hear

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Speaker 1: And then I was right into cell phone land that

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Speaker 1: And nowadays, if you're like most people, this is the

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Speaker 1: Could have been a breakup conversation, could have been a

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Speaker 1: more productive, to be honest. But how did this become

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Speaker 1: the new normal? How did the concept of mobile cell

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Speaker 1: phone technology? Uh? How did it propagate throughout global society?

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Speaker 1: And what are the consequences? First we have to start,

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Speaker 1: as the Mad Hatter was wont to say at the beginning,

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Speaker 1: with a brief history of cell phones. So here are

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Speaker 1: the facts. During the First World War, the German military

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Speaker 1: on train janes running between Berlin and Hamburg. And these,

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Speaker 1: accidents may have spiked at the time. What's set these

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Speaker 1: a it's an excellent question, and yes, yes, that's foreshadow

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Speaker 1: back to the question you present an all, which is

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Speaker 1: radio walkie talkie. It goes without getting too far in

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Speaker 1: the weeds, it goes into something called full duplex versus

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Speaker 1: half duplex walkie talkies. C B radios are half duplex devices,

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Speaker 1: and that means two people are communicating on the same frequency,

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Speaker 1: say copy first, copy, copy over. My my favorite, still

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Speaker 1: my favorite introduction to c B lingo is in an

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Speaker 1: excellent song by J. W. Mccaull called convoy. Excellent is

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Speaker 1: a strong word. Here. Can you give us a little taste? Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's dark moon on the fifth of June with a

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Speaker 1: Kinworth holland Hoggs have overpeat with a reef roon and

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Speaker 1: the whole song. It's uh, it's it's interesting because it's

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Speaker 1: interspersed with conversave, It's interspersed with conversations ostensibly occurring over

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Speaker 1: a decade? Are you serious? I don't know. I don't

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Speaker 1: know about Convoy. You're lyne right. Is this something that's

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Speaker 1: and magnetic fields, visible waves of force that's round every

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Speaker 1: every working electronic device of this nature. The important part

430
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: of this study is that from the previously existing official stances,

431
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: while the research was messy and at times contradictory, we're

432
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: pretty sure that this non ionizing radiation was supposed to

433
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: be Okay. You know, it's not like putting an next

434
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: ray machine into your head, right, It's not like locking

435
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 1: yourself in a in a Faraday cage kind of human

436
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 1: sized microwave situation. Yeah. And the whole point that is,

437
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 1: you're just not absorbing any of that stuff. There's no

438
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: physical change to your atoms or to the chemicals in

439
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: your body when you're hit by non or at least

440
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: in theory, when you're hit by the non ionizing radio.

441
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: Yet this study seems to seems to indicate otherwise. Yeah,

442
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: you know, very conscious of this. While while we're recording

443
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 1: this episode, a lot of us are listening to this

444
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 1: on our phones. Yeah, our phones are in this room

445
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: with us. To the three of us, Paul, I don't

446
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 1: like man, I don't want to ruin anybody's day. Here.

447
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 1: He's on his phone right now, and he's like, yeah,

448
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: look at me to check it out. I hope, I

449
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 1: hope you are listening. Don't have this phone in your lap,

450
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: because then you probably won't get HeartWare brain cancer. Okay,

451
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 1: if you know what I'm saying, just nether region cancer.

452
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, just just an infection in your Australia. Oh

453
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: it's in my pocket, I'm getting getting bottom cancer. Okay,

454
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: Yeah that is weird. Huh. Yeah, you just just warms

455
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: me in a certain way. I do. So this this

456
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: is straight as though, and this is this is legitimately,

457
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: if not disturbing, it's something that demands more study because often,

458
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: for for a long time we've heard these reports, right,

459
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: and often they are phrased in such a way that

460
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: they would be alarmist or they would be debunking, you

461
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: know what they would say, you know, and they would say, well,

462
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: this is tinfoil hat cruck pottery. You know, this is

463
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: entirely an effort to scare people. Or two, maybe sell

464
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: some sort of pseudo scientific device and get a special

465
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,479
Speaker 1: e M shield for your cell phone which will prevent

466
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: the radiation from touching you, but your phone will still

467
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: work somehow. Yeah. Yeah, we don't need any of the

468
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: actual radiation, just the radiation that makes the device work. Yeah,

469
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,959
Speaker 1: you'd have to come up with a cell phone that

470
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: is ostensibly connected to like a like an umbrella that

471
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: goes out, and the umbrella is the thing at the

472
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: end of that umbrella is actually where the signals coming from.

473
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: So you have to aim that at the cell tower.

474
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,479
Speaker 1: Are you shark taking us right now? I'm taking you guys. Okay, okay,

475
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm moderately in. But I want isn't that

476
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: what they always say? I give us seven billion for

477
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: and I own all the rights. Why do they always

478
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: want because so they have a controlling interest, right so

479
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: they can kick the person out later. I would imagine

480
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: she this, This leads us through the realm of scientific

481
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: uncertainty to an actual finding, and then you know, it's

482
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: it's time for us to answer the question that we

483
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: as humans ask ourselves every day. Is it time to panic?

484
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: Are we doomed? Are we all doomed? Should we even bother?

485
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: Finishing this episode? Don't call anybody though, to let them

486
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: know we're doomed. Will decide after a word from our sponsor. Okay,

487
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: so we're back. We decided to continue the episode. I'm

488
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: on the edge of my seat. Are we doomed? Eventually? Yes?

489
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: Well that's a loaded answer. Man. As far as cell phones,

490
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:31,479
Speaker 1: go currently, Um, we don't know yet. Yeah, So first

491
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: going back to our earlier conversation about uh nutra sweet

492
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: and uh what was that other one? No sweet and

493
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: loweet low. Yeah, those artificial sweeteners and the experiments involving

494
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: rats don't necessarily translate to human beings just given the

495
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: quantities involved. And this means that what translates to rats

496
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: and one exposure experiment may not always translate on a

497
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: one on one level with human beings. The nature of

498
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: the study also leads us to several pretty problematic aspects

499
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: of these types of studies, not just this one specifically.

500
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: So we used to say there were no available longitudinal

501
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: studies of this sort of thing over the span of

502
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: human civilization. It's a newer technology at least the way

503
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: it's it's used now, and so we would want decades

504
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: of measurement, right, We would want maybe even something intergenerational,

505
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: like how what what are the rates of a population

506
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: that existed pre cell phone? What are the rates of

507
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: someone resisting the advent of cell phones? And then what

508
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: what what are the rates of cancer, health, problems of cognition,

509
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: and what have you? Uh for the successive generation, you know,

510
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: for your kids. Well, from my mind, the problem with

511
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: this kind of study if you're going to try to

512
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: even attempt it now and and start a longitudinal study,

513
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: even if you try to do it ten years ago,

514
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: all of the other radiation that's being absorbed by all

515
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: of these people outside of the cell phone use and

516
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: that radio um radiation r f R. Do you think

517
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: about the WiFi, think about all the other versions that

518
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: are out there, of it is just radio frequencies that

519
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 1: are just hitting us all the time. And how could

520
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: you possibly remove somebody from all of that to have

521
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: a long enough study with a human being or a

522
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: set of human beings for ten twenty thirty years. Well,

523
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: I like that point because that also leads us to

524
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: ask whether or not it would be ethical to put

525
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: someone in that in that type of isolated environment. You know, yeah,

526
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: even if you're performing that on rats, like, controlling that

527
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: environment is tough first of all to make sure, and

528
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: I'm certain that extensive steps are taken to isolate the

529
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: control group, But are you isolating them from the WiFi

530
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: that's functioning within a lab or from you know, any

531
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: of the anything else? I hope. So I got to

532
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: get to the National Radio Quiet zone. Right. Also, again,

533
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: you know it's controversial. I completely understand and agree with

534
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: the body of laws and ethical policies that we have

535
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 1: regarding human experimentation. I believe it's important. Um. I also

536
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: believe that people should be allowed to uh consent to

537
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: self experimentation or consent to dangerous experiments. So are you

538
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 1: saying that this essentially constitutes human experimentation if there's something

539
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: that we don't have definitive proof of the negative outcome,

540
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: that we are literally being subjected to human experimentation, whether

541
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 1: by things like this or certain products that we maybe

542
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: don't fully know the end game of yet. I mean, hey,

543
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: we are. We are doing a species wide improv bit

544
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,240
Speaker 1: that's lasted for thousands of years. He's kind of wondering,

545
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: is there's something in the terms of service do you

546
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: think in cell phone contracts that sort of absolves these

547
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: network of any future responsibility. If there is research that

548
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: comes out this is actually this has been giving you

549
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: cancer all along. They must have been shielding themselves in

550
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: some way from that kind of litigation, that kind of

551
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: class action. Right. That's fascinating because for people who are

552
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: convinced that cell the cell phones do cause various health

553
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: maladies for people who believe that the cell phone manufacturers

554
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: are functioning on the level of big tobacco or something,

555
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, knowingly covering up the long

556
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: term consequences. It's it's a good question. We know that

557
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: terms of service. First off, most people never read them,

558
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: and that's the way most manufacturers want it, because there's

559
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff in the details. There's a

560
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: lot of fine print there. I know that there are

561
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: health warnings of plenty about how to properly use a

562
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: cell phone or a device. You know, don't put this

563
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: in the water, don't use this way it was not

564
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: intended to be used, you know. And how much of

565
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: that is just c y a stuff on the part

566
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: of their legal team. How much of that is something

567
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. It's interesting, it's interesting.

568
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: But surely if there were a definitive study proving beyond

569
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: the shadow of a doubt that there is a causation

570
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: involved with cell phone usage and the rise of cancer,

571
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: surely the federal agencies and multiple governments would force manufacturers

572
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: to inform people of this. Right. And it's not like sugar,

573
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 1: It's not like sugar. Industry. But it's not like tobacco,

574
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 1: it's not like asbestos. It's not it's maybe it's like

575
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: how they all were four decades or is it? Is

576
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: it worse? Is the dangerous point I'm making? Is is

577
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: it worse because we it would it would be too

578
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: late for all of us. All of us would be

579
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: too it. No, now we go into the epigenetic argument too. Yeah,

580
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: it's done, We're done. Yeah. What's interesting, though, is the

581
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: Federal Communications commit should actually set the standard for acceptable

582
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: levels of exposure to radio frequencies UM from all kinds

583
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: of telecom networks and different corporations that rely on this

584
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: technology in the US. But that hasn't been updated since

585
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: the nineties. And as we know, we're talking about that

586
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 1: exponential growth of technology and updating these broadband the networks,

587
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: especially with things like five G on the horizon. It's

588
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: interesting that that has not been looked at UM and

589
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: since we don't know, it's probably a good idea and

590
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: certainly wouldn't hurt just to maybe not sleep with yourself

591
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: phone under your pillow. Maybe I don't know, yeah, or

592
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: maybe it's a good place to start. Stop putting it

593
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: in your mouth or in your back pocket. Okay, dctor

594
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: buzz rendezvous over here. Hey. And if you're really worried

595
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: about radiation, um, don't go outside ever. Remain indoors, because

596
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: that's not only are the regular radio waves from radios

597
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: out there, but the sun is it in you as

598
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 1: well with some serious radiation, most dangerous kind, probably gamma

599
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: radiation is out there. It's bombarding you at all times.

600
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 1: Whenever I get stressed out, I like to remember that

601
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: there could be a gamma ray burst at any second.

602
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: Edits game over for where everyone you just imagine that

603
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 1: the next moment doesn't happen because gamma ray. Good thing

604
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: we had. We had Paul edit that and take us

605
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: back in time. This, this point about the exponential evolution

606
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: of technology is important too because it means even if

607
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: we construct solid, longitudinal, long term studies, we have to

608
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: take into account that the technology itself keeps improving, evolving,

609
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: and changing, which means that we do not have a

610
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: constant against which to test these hypotheses. Right, we said

611
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 1: that this two G three G technology and the type

612
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: of RfR there that as an association with a rising cancer,

613
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: certain types of cancer with male rats. Right, we don't

614
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: have anything about that for maybe five G. We have

615
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: some worried people, we have some ongoing studies. But if

616
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: we were to conduct, as you said, Matt, a test

617
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: with five G over say thirty years, see what happens.

618
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 1: People won't still be using those phones in thirty years.

619
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: That will be archaic, you know. And we should also

620
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: mention that cancer has a is subject to a lot

621
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: of misconceptions in popular science. Saying saying cancer is like

622
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: saying fruit. You're describing a kind of thing, but there

623
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: are thousands of that kind of thing, you know what

624
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: I mean? And I'm sure that people would say an

625
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: apple is not the same as what's another fruit? Oh

626
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: it orange? There you go. I was gonna suggest starfruit.

627
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 1: That's way better. That's way better. Let's let's subout oranges

628
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: for perhaps a pomegranate. Is that a fruit? Surely it

629
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: must be. I don't know. Tomato that's a fruit? Yeah,

630
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: technically true? And people thought it was a poisonous fruit.

631
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 1: Then I think you're so right about the longitudinal study

632
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,479
Speaker 1: things in our technology. I was if I was trying

633
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: to imagine twenty years ago, twenty years ago, what was

634
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: the cell phone back then? What do you guys think

635
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: like right right towards it was the matrix phone is

636
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: the one I think about that like popped down still,

637
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: especially a flip phone that's years ago. That was also

638
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 1: I mean the razor wasn't that far removed from that. Yeah, yeah,

639
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: that was sort of looked at it sort of like

640
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: the next gen flip phone because I think it had

641
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: like color screen or something like that, or it could

642
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: have it could go on the Internet in some very

643
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: rudimentary way. And what would the network have been at

644
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: that time? I have, Yeah, definitely the pigeon pigeon a

645
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: T But but think about that twenty years from now,

646
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: while we're trying to conduct a longitudinal study on five

647
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: G and then like where the technology would be. It's

648
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: just been you're so right, dude, it's impossible. There's no

649
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: way we can keep up with any of that. And

650
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: by that time, it's a we're already dosed and it's

651
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: over and the next thing comes along and we're getting

652
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: dosed again. Yeah. It's a great point, and it brings

653
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: us to one an excellent f a Q from Cancer

654
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: dot gov talking about this, wherein they note that not

655
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: only is technology evolving rapidly, not only is number of

656
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: cell phone users increasing rapidly, but over time, the number

657
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: of cell phone calls per day, the length of each call,

658
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: the amount of time people use phones in general has increased.

659
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: And because of changes in the technology and increases in

660
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 1: the number of base stations for transmitting these signals, the

661
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: exposure from cell phone use power output has changed mostly

662
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: lowered in many regions of the United States. And what

663
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: we what we see here is a a battle of perspectives.

664
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: There are multiple variables that we have to include or consider,

665
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: and many of these variables change. What is a lightning pace? Right?

666
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: We do know that the w h O does consider

667
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: cell phones to be a possible human carcinogen. Cell Phones

668
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 1: are listed in a in a grouping called Group to

669
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: Be as possible human car synogens. So is this conspiracy theory?

670
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: If so, the w h O agrees, But we have

671
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: to add some important perspective here. Uh, there are other

672
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: things on the list that might surprise you. Group to

673
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: Be also contains aloe vera possible human carcinogen as in

674
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: topical or ingestion. I don't know, man, Yolo, you ever

675
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,280
Speaker 1: had one of those alo vera drinks with the juice

676
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: and then a little squishy bits. I hate those, you know,

677
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: I get those things. It's gross. It's like chewing on

678
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: a gummy bear and drinking a refreshing drink at the

679
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 1: same time, a squishy, squishy gummy bear. See, I can't

680
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: do anything like tapioca balls. You don't like, you don't

681
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: like it, you don't like for me. The thing with Alivera,

682
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: I think is that when I used to go in

683
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: the sun, it Olivera would often be something used to

684
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: treat sunburns or aches from that very familiar Yeah, so

685
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: for completely subjective, unpleasant mnemonic associations, it feels like I'm

686
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: drinking sunburns drink aliver just because I associate you know,

687
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: the smell in that kind of taste when you've got

688
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: some of the sinnesthesia going on too, So it was

689
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 1: probably really close to that. It's yeah, but you know what,

690
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: man more Alivera for you know, if you're into those,

691
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: and all right, Alivera for everybody. So where does this

692
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: leave us? If mobile phones did indeed cause cancer in

693
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: a in a huge amount, we could expect to see

694
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: a few things, especially now that people have been using

695
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: these for decades. We would expect to see a significant

696
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 1: spike in brain cancer rates right following the massive increase

697
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 1: in cell phone usage, and yet there has not been

698
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: a change, not that kind of change at least, right, Yes,

699
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 1: according to these studies, brain cancer is actually decreasing, or

700
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: the the number of instances of brain cancer are decreasing.

701
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: That's pretty great, right, And I mean I'm okay with that.

702
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: I think the latest number I saw, I forget the

703
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: exact dates it was from, but it was four and

704
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,240
Speaker 1: a half brain cancer case is for every one thousand

705
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: people in the United States under age sixty five, And

706
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: that was okay, So that was from eleven, and previously

707
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: that number had been nineteen point one cases for every

708
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand people sixty five or older. So decreasing

709
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: that bring cancer to that amount is pretty dang great.

710
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 1: And that has nothing to do with cell phone usage

711
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: at least, I don't think unless there's something magical we

712
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: don't know about, but wouldn't we wouldn't we reasonably expect

713
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: this sort of cancer to accelerate if it increases in

714
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: rats in the way that one study showed. Yeah, it's

715
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: that whole our rats human beings question that we humans

716
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: have been struggling with for so many I love the secret.

717
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 1: Are you talking like like anthropomorphic human being like in

718
00:45:52,440 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: rattitui Sti's great, very fantastic. The book's good too. But

719
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: what about five of with uys? What about five? Yeah,

720
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: he's a mouse number he went west in the less

721
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: louded sequel. Give him the old lazier that's from West.

722
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: No way, good memory, man, it's a. It's a. It's

723
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: a pivotal part of the plot. The old lazy I

724
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: is important. It is it is important to somewhat Uh. Yeah,

725
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: we see the areas that absorb radio waves have fewer tumors,

726
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 1: not more. And luckily for everyone involved, the research continues today.

727
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: The group responsible for this study is collaborating with other

728
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: organizations to develop smaller exposure chambers for additional short term

729
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: studies that will take weeks or maybe months instead of

730
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: two years. And these studies are meant to target in

731
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: and clarify what NTP learned in their long term studies.

732
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: And then it was very forward thinking too, in esciate

733
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 1: the possibility of DNA damage and exposed tissues so get

734
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: to some eventually potentially some epo genetic stuff. It's also

735
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: being designed so studies of different r FR frequencies and

736
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 1: modulations can finally adapt to the changing technologies in the

737
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: telecom industry today. Will it work? That remains to be seen.

738
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: But we do have to consider that while many of

739
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: us may fret about cancer as the as as the

740
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: imminent danger posed by cell phones, other people will tell

741
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: us that cell phones pose dangers entirely unrelated to cancer

742
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: and related instead to um attention span, or related to

743
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: our neurochemistry or oh yes, and that one. I feel

744
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:56,240
Speaker 1: like that's so well known. Right. Have we found ourselves

745
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: in a bubble, you guys? Or do we believe the

746
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 1: certain things normal that other people would think are crack pottery? No,

747
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: not at all. I don't think so. I think everybody

748
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: at this point has had a conversation near their phone

749
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: and then an AD was served to them, you know,

750
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: just coincidentally. And even if it is just everyone functioning

751
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 1: on coincidence, yeah, even if it is bet or minehuff,

752
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: it's occurring in a massive scale. And beator, minehuff is

753
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: that thing we've mentioned before. Better, mine huff is a

754
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: psychological thing where maybe you wake up and you have

755
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: a song in your head. Why do you build me up,

756
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: buttercup or but whatever song is stuck in your head

757
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: and then later you hear it on the radio or

758
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: out in the field and you think, holy smokes, is

759
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: the matrix broken? Do I have precog abilities, or as

760
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: Beta Minehoff would argue, do I just pay more attention

761
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: to something like that because I'm looking for it? Like

762
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: the first time you hear a specific word, you hear

763
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: the word suscerous, you learn the word suscross, and then

764
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,439
Speaker 1: over the next week suddenly everybody is saying the word

765
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:07,240
Speaker 1: suscerous to you. Totally. In this instance, it just occurred.

766
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: My wife went to the dentist, and her hygienists recommended

767
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: a certain type of whitening strips, and immediately after jumping

768
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 1: on an app on her phone there was an ad

769
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: served for it. And I think it may be what

770
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: you're talking about, Peter Minolf, but anyway, very strange maybe,

771
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: But here here's a devil's advocacy exercise, Matt. She saw

772
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: this on her phone. She took her phone to the dentist,

773
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 1: Yeather right, So the phone has the capability to know

774
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: her GPS knows that she's at the dentist. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

775
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: you're so enforcement solves crimes with GPS data. Yeah, and

776
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: she hasn't turned off all that stuff. I'm just saying,

777
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: if you really want to avoid these sorts of situations

778
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: or not. I'm not telling people to commit crimes, but

779
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: if you if you want to avoid being tracked like that,

780
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 1: you can do uh the old breaking bad trick. You

781
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: can leave your cell phone somewhere else. You can tape

782
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: it to the underside of a friend's car. I have Okay,

783
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: I'll say this on here. This is just between us

784
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: and like just between the millions of us. A long

785
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: time ago, a friend of mine I will not name

786
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: was a you will you seemed to be. I thought

787
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: he was a trust fund person, right because he didn't

788
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: have a any visible means of employment. But he traveled

789
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: a lot domestically and internationally, and he seemed to have adventures.

790
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: And one day he told me that he needed me

791
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: to do a favor for him, and I thought, oh, am,

792
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 1: I watching a pet. Am I keeping an eye on

793
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: a house or an apartment or something. And it was

794
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 1: not that the guy was going to be gone for

795
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:03,959
Speaker 1: two or three weeks, but he wanted me to keep

796
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: his phone in my car and drive in the regular

797
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 1: pattern in which I would have driven at the time,

798
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:18,240
Speaker 1: and keep it on and keep it on, dude Ben,

799
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: which establishes right, possibly an alibi. But he was he

800
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 1: was also a very paranoid person. So was he prescient

801
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: or was he just sketchy? Or was he deluted? Or

802
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: was it all a hilarious prank. I think it all

803
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: depends on if it was a three G network or

804
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: an LTE or five G. Like what are we talking here? Like,

805
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: I think that's the most important. Heck, guy gave me

806
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: car cancer. So you know, we we noticed the neurochemistry

807
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: stuff here, We noticed the big data, the paranoia. It

808
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: is true that in many applications social media is one

809
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:02,280
Speaker 1: online games or another. Many applications, the designers, the developers,

810
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: the programmers are well aware of human psychology, and they

811
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: build these interactions to reward you and to engender what

812
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 1: some would say is addictive behavior. Right. You always get

813
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: a little rush of a happy chemical in your brain

814
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: when you say, oh, someone liked, retweeted, subscribed, so on.

815
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: You know, and that stuff works. No one's invulnerable to it.

816
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: We're virtually all human, I would say most of us listening,

817
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: I would know Ben Ben did this thing with his

818
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: with his jawline just then. It was it was handsome,

819
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: It looked very nice, but it was a little chilling. Yeah,

820
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,240
Speaker 1: well think about it. There's gonna be at some point,

821
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: uh is a machine consciousness that will be able to

822
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: listen to all of the podcasts ever made very quickly.

823
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: So and then host a conspiracy show. Wouldn't that be great?

824
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 1: Oh we could Uh, we could definitely do with a

825
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: machine consciousness. Host would love to hear that perspective. Would

826
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 1: love to hear their take on cancer and cell phones. Um,

827
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 1: what what do you think? There's there's another thing. This

828
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: is the I don't know about you guys, but from

829
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 1: my end, this is one of the last things you hear.

830
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: A lot of people get a little curmugion curmudgeon lee

831
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: right and say, oh, people are always in their phones,

832
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: not living in the moment, you know, and that that

833
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: is true. It's a very unintentionally um easy thing for

834
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: people to do, which is, you know, you're in a

835
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: conversation or someone's in a conversation with you, but you're

836
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:46,280
Speaker 1: not there. You're on your phone. But I would challenge

837
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: people to look back at photographs of public spaces. In

838
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: the age of newspapers, people weren't talking to each other

839
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: then they were on the train with a newspaper in

840
00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: front of their face. But what about before paper? What

841
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: about the photographs before paper? Yes? What if you have

842
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: a photograph before the invention of paper? Please send it

843
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:16,879
Speaker 1: to us. Oh yeah. What do you guys think though?

844
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,439
Speaker 1: Is there is there sand to this? What's what's? What's

845
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: the word? Right now? My conclusion would be there's some

846
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: disturbing stuff and more studies need to be conducted, you

847
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: know what I mean? I would concur and and you know,

848
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:36,720
Speaker 1: my opinion would be that WiFi and cellular technology, radio

849
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 1: signals in general, it's all part of artificial intelligence attempting

850
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: to emerge and kill off all of the biological life

851
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: with cancer. So there you go, There you go. It's bleak.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy it, enjoy it? What a way to go? We what?

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Speaker 1: We got a couple more decades left, maybe one. Are

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Speaker 1: you one of those people who's more comforted by the

855
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: idea that a plan exists, even if it's nefarious, rather

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Speaker 1: than our earlier assertion that humanity is just one long

857
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Speaker 1: improv sketch. Definitely, I don't know. What do you think

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Speaker 1: phone cancer? Yeah? Like what for it or against it?

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Speaker 1: What do you what do you think? What do you think?

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it sure seems like it's a lot

861
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Speaker 1: like rat Sacharin. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. It

862
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Speaker 1: just seems like again, like we were saying, there are things.

863
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Speaker 1: Since we since it's a little bit inconclusive right now,

864
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Speaker 1: and we know that we're being bombarded with all kinds

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Speaker 1: of stuff, it is one thing that we do have

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Speaker 1: a direct ability to kind of limit if we choose

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Speaker 1: to do so. So I would say, if you're worried

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Speaker 1: about it, and maybe use it as an excuse to

869
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Speaker 1: stay off your device a little bit, you know, I

870
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Speaker 1: don't know. That's that's the best advice I can offer.

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00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: I'm certainly not following that advice that I'm giving myself.

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00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: And it's a good excuse to have a little more

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Speaker 1: interaction outside the screen, like you were talking about. But

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Speaker 1: if you let's use it, let's use it. It's sort

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Speaker 1: of let it's like the Flora's Lava. The Flora's Lava

876
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Speaker 1: cell phones give you cancer, okay, and take all all

877
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Speaker 1: your personal information at the same time to sell you

878
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 1: tooth whitening strips. That's so if we can propagate a

879
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Speaker 1: perhaps false conspiracy that cell phones do give us cancer,

880
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: we can solve a lot of problems. Bern's this is

881
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:30,839
Speaker 1: that what you're saying, somebody out there can Berne's this right,

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Speaker 1: Someone can, yes, yes, And I can't encourage you to

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Speaker 1: do that, not officially. We cannot officially say that this

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Speaker 1: would be a very interesting experience and experiment. We cannot

885
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Speaker 1: we can officially say that it would be a rolic

886
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: and good time and fascinating. And also, please don't do that.

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00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:57,240
Speaker 1: We're we're being we're joking around here. Matt is definitely joking,

888
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Speaker 1: you see your jocularity. Yes, I don't know. I think

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Speaker 1: it's interesting. I want to hear more. I want to

890
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Speaker 1: update this and follow along with the subsequent studies, and

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Speaker 1: we'd like, we'd like to hear from you, because one

892
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:17,919
Speaker 1: thing is for sure, regardless of how people feel about this,

893
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: most people are still using cell phones, just like you said, Noel,

894
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Speaker 1: And this means that these things probably aren't going to

895
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Speaker 1: go away for some time. Right, So let us know

896
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Speaker 1: cell phones cancer connection alarmism cover up. You can find

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Speaker 1: us on Instagram and find us on Twitter. You can

898
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: find us on Facebook. You can meet the best part

899
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Speaker 1: of this show, your fellow listeners on our community page.

900
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Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy, which the memes on there

901
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Speaker 1: are getting pretty good. Yeah, yeah, Do you ever go

902
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Speaker 1: on do you check in on that? I do? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I go to hours and I go to the Ridiculous

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Speaker 1: History one. Yes, I do. You sweet man, you I

905
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Speaker 1: like it? When are when are we going to be

906
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,919
Speaker 1: able to cajole you into Oh we can't even say yet.

907
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: We we shouldn't say yet about any possible cameos. We

908
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: just don't want to make any promises. So people don't

909
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: get let down. Don't tell anybody. Uh, the old Genie

910
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 1: is gonna pop out of the bottle over there on

911
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: Ridiculous History. You know what happened. What happened, What happened

912
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Speaker 1: to Matt Frederick is my southern gentleman Genie, grant you

913
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Speaker 1: one wish and that wishes of my choosing. So who

914
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Speaker 1: is this big old sassafras. Shouldn't have rubbed that bottle.

915
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Speaker 1: That's what my mommy always said, and you're Pappie should

916
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: have said it too. Don't rub that bottle or the

917
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 1: genie might bump out yes, yes, you heard it here

918
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: first folks, and then he will forcefully give you one

919
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: wish that you do not like of his choosing. This

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Speaker 1: is so sitister, Okay, we have we have to go.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listen. We're gonna go hunt

922
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Speaker 1: down Matt maybe with the help of this somewhat sinister

923
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Speaker 1: but you know, overall very endearing southern gentleman. Thank you,

924
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Speaker 1: and uh my one wish to be granted to you

925
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Speaker 1: right now is to put down your device, stop getting

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Speaker 1: cancer from it. If you are getting cancer from it,

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Speaker 1: go about your daily live, live, your laugh, whatever. Goodbye

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