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Speaker 2: Welcome to the radio home of ron Ananian, the Car Doctor.

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Speaker 2: Since nineteen ninety one, this is where car owners the

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Speaker 3: Now, how in the world is your car?

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Speaker 1: That is what we want to know. Our goal is

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, and welcome to the Car Doctor.

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Speaker 1: Ronny Hey, Hey, I think I found a reason why

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Speaker 1: and then buy a new car. Hello, and welcome Ron

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Speaker 1: and Aye in The Car Doctor. Here at a five, five, five,

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Speaker 1: There's a software strategy in the sunroof of this Jeep

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Speaker 1: You know how you calibrate it. You put it all together. Well,

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Speaker 1: calibrated leak, and I can prove it. All sunroofs have

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Speaker 1: It's going to be a calibrated leak. And that's what

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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome back the card Doctorate five five six so

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Speaker 1: talk to William calling in from Mali, Hawaii. Ninety nine

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Speaker 1: to the Card Doctor, sir. How can I help?

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Speaker 5: Hi?

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Speaker 2: Ron?

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Speaker 5: How you doing good?

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Speaker 4: What's going on?

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Speaker 5: Uh? First of all, I love your show, Thank you.

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Speaker 5: I got a ninety nine Porsche Boxer. It's got about

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Speaker 5: eleven twenty four eleven twenty six oxygen sensors.

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Speaker 5: So I went on the internet and I looked at

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Speaker 5: guy with a ninety nine boxer, same thing happened. He

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Speaker 5: And I watched him do it and it looked pretty easy,

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Speaker 5: And then another place I looked at which services Porsche

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Speaker 1: All sure, you can try that. I mean, you can't

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Speaker 5: I had it into my the guy who services the

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Speaker 5: Again, I figured, let me try.

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Speaker 1: It myself, right, So it sounds like somebody has done something.

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Speaker 1: Variation on prices, Bill is simply you know, it's a

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Speaker 1: You know, is the is the is the piece from

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Speaker 5: I just couldn't believe that the variation from well that's.

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Speaker 1: it's the best adage I can give you, Bill, is

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Speaker 1: Let's get over to Roy and Lisbon, Maine. Some questions

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Speaker 4: How can I help Hi?

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Speaker 3: Ron?

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Speaker 4: How are you? Yes, sir? Good? What's going on?

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Speaker 3: How being you a Hondo cord manual transmission six steed? Oh?

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Speaker 1: So stay tuned. I'm running any in the car. Doctor,

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