1 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: Hi guys, and welcome back to another new episode of 2 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: You Need Therapy podcast. My name is Kat and I'm 3 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: glad you're here. If you're new to the podcast, then 4 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 1: before we get started, I just want to give a 5 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: quick disclaimer that even though I'm a licensed therapist and 6 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: this podcast is called You Need Therapy, this podcast does 7 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: not stand to serve as a replacement or a substitute 8 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:36,279 Speaker 1: for actual mental health services or therapy itself. But you know, 9 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: like I always like to say, it might encourage you 10 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: to go to therapy, or it might encourage you to 11 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: look at something different or in a different way if 12 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: you're already in therapy. That is really what my hope 13 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: is for this whole thing. Now today, I'm doing a 14 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: solo episode again and we are talking about something more 15 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: in line with what I specialize in as a therapist, 16 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: and that is eating disorders. And I was prepared aaring 17 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: to do an episode on body image because summer, and 18 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: you know that starts to get a little bit more 19 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,559 Speaker 1: wonky and sensitive as we walk into the hotter months 20 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: where we might be exposing more parts of our bodies 21 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: and that might start to get uncomfortable and less desensitized 22 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: in some ways. However, as I was doing that, I 23 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,199 Speaker 1: kind of got sidetracked, and we're going to talk about 24 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: something a little bit different than that, but kind of 25 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: in the same regards, and we're gonna be talking about orthorexia. 26 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: I've touched on this before on the podcast, but we 27 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: are going to talk about a little bit more in 28 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: depth today. And if you are unfamiliar with what orthorexia is, 29 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: it's a type of disordered eating where someone becomes obsessed 30 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,919 Speaker 1: with the health of foods. Orthorexia is not yet recognized 31 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: in the d s M itself alone, which the d 32 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: s M is the Diagnostic Statistical Manual for mental health disorders, 33 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:55,559 Speaker 1: but regardless of that, this type of obsession of food 34 00:01:55,920 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 1: can lead to an official diagnosis of eating disorders that 35 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: are already in there. You can be diagnosed with an 36 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: eating sort in a couple of different ways, which we 37 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: don't need to go into, but this can lead to 38 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: one of those really easily. And again, in its simplest terms, 39 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: orthorexia means an obsession with healthy eating, and someone who 40 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 1: might develop orthorexia most likely doesn't start out being obsessed 41 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: or start out wanting to develop something that is a 42 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: year bad or unhelpful. But things can take pretty fast turns. 43 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: And it's not just due to reasons associated with the individual, 44 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: like having an addictive personality. It's very much connected to 45 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 1: our culture and the messaging companies and brands used to 46 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: attract an illicit business, and the manipulation involved and how 47 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 1: diet culture sells their ideals and products in order to 48 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: push business. So we're gonna talk about this, and before 49 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: I get into any of the things that come with 50 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: our culture and some of the stuff that's pushed towards 51 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:57,119 Speaker 1: us that kind of like impact or influence or even 52 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: just like highlight orthorexia as a good thing, we're going 53 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: to talk about what it might look like. Just so 54 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: if you know somebody or you yourself you're like, oh, 55 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: I don't know, if I'm like teetering on that line. 56 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: This is some of the things that um come with 57 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: having this type of disordered eating. And I'm taking these 58 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: straight from Nita's website. So that's the National Eating Disorder Association, 59 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 1: so NEEDA dot com. So we're gonna I'm gonna just 60 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: want to credit that back to them. These are not 61 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: my words. So if you're like, you don't know what 62 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: you're talking about well. I took this from the professional professionals. Okay, 63 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: so this would be compulsive checking of ingredients lists and 64 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: nutrition labels, an increase in concern about the health of ingredients, 65 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: cutting out an increasing number of food groups like all sugar, 66 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: all carves, all dairy, all meat, all animal products. And again, 67 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: one of these doesn't elicit orthorexia, like if you're just 68 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: like I'm a vegetarian or I have steliacs, that is 69 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: not orthodoxia. It's combination with other parts of these and 70 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: the why behind your doing it. Also an inability to 71 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: eat anything but a narrow group of foods that are 72 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: deemed health or pure or clean or good. Unusual interest 73 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: in the health of what other people are eating and 74 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:09,119 Speaker 1: how they're fueling and feeding themselves, spending hours per day 75 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: thinking about what food might be served at upcoming events, 76 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: showing high levels of distress when safe or healthy foods 77 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: aren't available, obsessive following of food and healthy lifestyle blogs 78 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: on Twitter, Instagram or any type of social media. And 79 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: in the past this might have looked like collecting a 80 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,559 Speaker 1: lot of books on these things as well, and body 81 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,239 Speaker 1: image concerns may or may not be there. This isn't 82 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: always associated with body image issues. This is specifically talking 83 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: about being highly highly concerned about the health of things 84 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: and the cleanliness of things and the goodness of things. 85 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: And when it's talking about being obsessed with like the 86 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: health of ingredients, it even goes down to like, not 87 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: only is it a pure food, like I don't know, 88 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: an apple, it has to be like an organic apple 89 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: or certain type of apple because it has that app 90 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: has certain ingredients and it's the best type of vitamin 91 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: whatever in that specific apple, or like the ripeness of something. 92 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: So I will only eat bananas if they're this color, 93 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: or I'll only eat avocados if they're this firm, or 94 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: it just could get very, very very specific. Now where 95 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: does this come from? And has this always been an 96 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: issue or is this new? And if it's new, why 97 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: might this be coming into our view now? So I 98 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: kind of love I did not do this on purpose, 99 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 1: but I kind of love how I wish that I've 100 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: had this much like what is it foresight into like planning, 101 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 1: but uh no, I didn't plan this, but I like 102 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: that it worked out this way, that this episode is 103 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: falling right after the one we did on brainwashing and 104 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: colts because, as I discussed in that episode, I talked 105 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: about how people can't just be brainwashed unless there's some 106 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: part of them that wants to believe what it is 107 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: they are stepping into. And most people who end up 108 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: looking like they were brainwashed by a cult start the 109 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,239 Speaker 1: process with really good intentions. They want a better life, 110 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: and this case in the case of orthorexia, the cult 111 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: of clean eating, these people are simply wanting to fit 112 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: in in society. They want to avoid current or future 113 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: health complications, They want to feel more confident or comfortable 114 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 1: in their own body. Like the list goes on, there 115 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: are very good reasons for walking into what might set 116 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: somebody up to developing this kind of disordered eating. In fact, 117 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: every single person I've ever talked to that has experiences 118 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: reports it starting out in a positive way, starts out 119 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,799 Speaker 1: on like taking care of themselves in a more intentional way. 120 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: And how many of us out there have heard how 121 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: the food we eat affects our health of us? The 122 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: issue is not that that's false. The issue is to 123 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: what extent does it affect our health? And how do 124 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: we know? Like, where are we getting this information and 125 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 1: how far are we willing to go. If clean eating 126 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: promises a life free of any ailments plus happiness, I 127 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: would for sure give it a second take. But does it, 128 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: like does it really? Where is the data that shows 129 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 1: us that? And how much does eating clean impact the 130 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: quality of our life? And how much does eating clean 131 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: take away the quality of our life? And I just 132 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: want to give this disclaimer. I hate the term eating clean, 133 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: but for the sake of what we're going to talk about, 134 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: I'm going to keep using that term for this episode 135 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: because I think that that could have so many different 136 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: meanings and interpretations and problems in itself. And that's part 137 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: of the reason why. I mean, we'll get into it later, 138 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: but I talk about the clean diet anyhow, This is 139 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: one of those things that you have to look at. 140 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: How do we balance our mental and physical health? How 141 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: do we not just look at one of them and 142 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: how do we look at them combined? We have to 143 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: work together on this because if we can avoid joint 144 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: pain by cutting out three food groups, but then we 145 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: develop an anxiety disorder, are we helping ourselves or hurting ourselves? Like? 146 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: Where is the line in which one is the bigger issue? 147 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: And does it have to be one or the other. 148 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: Now a bigger problem arises also for those who have 149 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: the biological, social, and psychological precursors for developing and eating disorder. 150 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: These seemingly innocent and helpful lifestyle changes that are included 151 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: in some of what diet culture sends us as like 152 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: good things to do to like take care of yourself, 153 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: can actually have very opposite effects, especially as the diet, 154 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: wellness and beauty industries continue to reap the enormous financial 155 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 1: benefits of these humans growing addictions to their content. I 156 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: remember back when I began getting like super into health 157 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: and fitness in college. I was a super super heavy 158 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 1: follower of this woman named Tausca Rehno or Reno. I 159 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: don't actually even know how to say her name correctly, 160 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: and she, like I was mentioned earlier as I was saying, 161 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: eat Clean, she had this book called The Eat Clean Diet. 162 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: I bought her cookbooks. I became engulfed in the principles 163 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: of her clean eating and how they promised things that 164 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 1: I now know are literally not connected to each other 165 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: at all. Things like happiness, things like finding love, uh 166 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: self love, and like a fulfilling life. Those are not 167 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: attached to the foods You're eating, finding love and like 168 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: practicing self love and being happy are not connected with 169 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: cutting sugar out of your diet. Seems really simple to 170 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: say now or maybe not, maybe like, yes they are. 171 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 1: We're going to talk about why you might think that 172 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: during this episode. And I actually went to her website 173 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 1: and read her bio while I was preparing for this episode, 174 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: and the last paragraph of her bio literally had me 175 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: laughing out loud. And her life is actually a bit tragic, 176 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: and it seems that since my unfollowing of her and 177 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: her brand, she's been through some like really tough stuff. 178 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: And that's not what I was laughing about. There's actually 179 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 1: not one funny thing about the trajectory of her life, 180 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: and I do have a lot of empathy for her. 181 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: What made me laugh is the fierce dedication to connect 182 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 1: her emotional resilience to a diet, or, in reality, her 183 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: commitment to doing whatever it takes to keep her business 184 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: and brand alive, even if that includes using manipulative, attractive 185 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: statements that have the ability to draw in vulnerable people 186 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: while making impossible promises of a better life. Also spoiler alert, 187 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: when the promises don't actually work. That these people talk 188 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: about when they don't come true. It ends up being 189 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: the individual's fault, not the fact that what they were 190 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: promised was impossible, as in, you're a failure, not the program. 191 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: So I just want to read the last paragraph her 192 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: bio because I just need you guys to hear what 193 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: I'm talking about, she says, or whoever wrote this says. 194 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: The challenges I have endured make me an expert in 195 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: these areas. I know what it is to lose a 196 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 1: husband whom I love deeply, to cancer. I know what 197 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: it is to lose a step son. I know what 198 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: it means to face bankruptcy and to worry how to 199 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 1: pay the rent or eat. I know what it feels 200 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: like to lose your way. These things make me an expert. 201 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: And this is what I bring to you now. Along 202 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: with my clean living principles, I can help you. I 203 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: bring you the elixir of life. What I hear in 204 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,839 Speaker 1: her words are the elixir of life. How to build resilience, 205 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: how to get over all these trials and tribulations, how 206 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 1: to enjoy your life through pain, heartache, tough things are 207 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: my clean eating principles. So there's that and the clean 208 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: eating diet. And I was all for that. At one point, 209 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: And I remember in that time I also digging up 210 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: these memories of watching the documentary Forks over Knives and 211 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: the fear that was instilled in me and experiencing this 212 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: dilemma around eating me and how was I going to 213 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: be a vegetarian even though I didn't want to be, 214 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 1: But like now, after watching that documentary, I thought I 215 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: was going to get all these diseases, And also like, 216 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: am I the problem? And I'm a bad person because 217 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 1: I'm eating these things? And how do I become a 218 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: crusader and in the anti animal eating business and all 219 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: of that? And so I have the clean eating fear 220 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: instilled in me and I want to, you know, live 221 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: my best life that area. And then I have the 222 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: people who are telling me that I'm the problem when 223 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: it comes to like animal slaughtering and all of that, 224 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: which I will say, there's probably some truth to a 225 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: lot of the poor care that is put into how 226 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: animals are processed for human consumption. I'm not an expert 227 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: in that, and I'm not saying I am, but I'm 228 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: just saying at this time in my life, I was 229 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: consuming all of this different information that was creating a 230 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: lot of fear in what I was eating, how I 231 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 1: was eating, how I was going to be a good 232 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: person and also be the healthiest, best person at the 233 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: same time. And speaking of being a vegetarian, I was 234 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: also recently reminded by a book from the past by 235 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: a client that luckily I haven't actually read this book. 236 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: I am very grateful that I did not read this 237 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: book at this time. But I ended up doing some 238 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: research on the book because of what I was talking 239 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: about with my client, and I was shocked but at 240 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: the same time not shocked by what I found. And 241 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: I'm talking out the Skinny Bitch diet, which is a 242 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 1: fat diet basically veganism at its core. But it's this book, 243 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: Skinny Bitch is written by a model one and an 244 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:15,719 Speaker 1: animal advocate and a model lane agent, so Kim I 245 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 1: don't know how to say her last name, barn new In, 246 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: and then Rory Freedman created this and this book I 247 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 1: somehow found like a PDF of the whole book online, 248 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: which I don't know if that's normal, but I found 249 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: it and I started reading through it, and the first 250 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: thing I noticed is the constant language that they use 251 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: and the demeaning and degrading language they use and the 252 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: terms they use like don't be a fat pig anymore, 253 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: and they try to motivate you to follow this diet 254 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: using this language, and it's very shame based, and to 255 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: me it was very off putting. But it also I 256 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 1: think that depending on the spot in life, you might 257 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: be that shame might force you into something because you 258 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: don't want to be a fat pig and they're telling 259 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: you that that's bad. I want to introduce you to 260 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: one particular paragraph for reference of this book, and uh, 261 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: this one. Literally I sent it to so many people 262 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 1: and was like, can you believe this was written? And 263 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: people soaked this up. The title of this chapter where 264 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,559 Speaker 1: this excert came from, is called you are what You Eat, 265 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: And I was talking all about how like you shouldn't 266 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: eat animal products because of how the animals are prepared, 267 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: very similar to the Fork over Knives documentary, but this 268 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: was just a very different delivery where that one kind 269 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: of tore on my heartstrings and this one just made 270 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: me feel like a shitty person. And also like I 271 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: was very scared, and they write I think of how 272 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: you feel when you're angry, afraid, and grief stricken. Bear 273 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: in mind the physical feelings that accompany these emotions. These 274 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: emotions fear, grief, and rage produce chemical changes in our bodies. 275 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: They do the same to animals. Their blood pressures rise, 276 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:54,479 Speaker 1: adrenaline courses through their bodies. You are eating high blood pressure, stress, 277 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: and adrenaline. You are eating fear, grief and rage. You 278 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: are eating suffering, wh and murder. You're eating cruelty. You 279 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: are what you eat. You cannot be thin and beautiful 280 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: with a glowing complexion when you eat fear, grief and rage. 281 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: Y'all think about reading that and hearing that in a 282 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: vulnerable state, or really any state. The language that's used 283 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: in this book and throughout this book is some of 284 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: the most shaming, the most scary that I found, not 285 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: just in my research for kind of going through this episode, 286 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: but like in the existence of me working in this field. 287 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: I'm going to read a couple other quotes that I 288 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: found that also give a nice picture of what I'm 289 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: talking about. These are direct quotes to like, I'm almost like, 290 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: did I add something to the These are did I 291 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: make them worset to prove a point? Note, These are 292 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: just in the book, so here here there, Perhaps you 293 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: have a lumpy ass because you are preserving your fat 294 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: cells with diet soda. Whenever you see the word fat 295 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: free or low fat, think of the words chemical ship storm. 296 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: You are what you eat. You are a human body 297 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: compromised of organs, blood and guts and other ship. The 298 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: food you put into your body works its way through 299 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: your organs in bloodstream, and it's actually part of who 300 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: you are. So every time you put crap in your body, 301 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: you are crap. Milk equals fat, butter equals fat, Cheese 302 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: equals fat. People who think these products can be low 303 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: fat or fat free equal fucking morons. And the most 304 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: confusing one that I found, now that you're a skinny bitch, 305 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: don't turn into a skinny bitch. We conceive the title 306 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: skinny bitch to get attention and sell books, but we 307 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: are not bitches, and we have no desire to promote bitchiness. 308 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: There is nothing uglier than a pretty woman who's nasty. 309 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: If you look great, you should feel good about yourself 310 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: and be happy and dear God, I have so many 311 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: issues with that little part, especially the last one. You 312 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: should feel good about yourself and be happy as if 313 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: like looking away. It's like the message that we are 314 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: trying to pull away from society, is that what you 315 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: look like does not have to have a direct impact 316 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: on how you feel. And also you get to decide 317 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: what looking great even looks like. But the part that's 318 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: confusing to me is this whole book is written in 319 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: the most I mean, using their language, bitchy terms. Ever, 320 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 1: it's a mean book. It is a mean book. But 321 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: then they're saying, we're not bitches. You should be happy 322 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 1: and essentially be like nice and kind. And it's like, 323 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: I don't know anybody who's developed like a kind attitude 324 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 1: and personality by being surrounded and being motivated by cruelty. 325 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong. I just don't get help. 326 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: That makes any sense at all. So then this leads 327 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 1: me to something that's way more mainstream and common, something 328 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: called the Whole thirty. And this is one of my 329 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: worst memories. And I was all in. I did the 330 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: Whole thirty like four times, and I was the person 331 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: posting about it on social media, like I have to 332 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: take accountability for this. I was sucked into this, like 333 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: I was sucked into some of these other things, not 334 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: the Skinny Bitch Book. But you know what, if I 335 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: would have read it. Who knows. But the Whole thirty 336 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: is one of the most common diets I hear about 337 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 1: when I'm working with clients, Like one of the most 338 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: common diets that people are doing and have done in 339 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: a lot of ways, the Whole thirty, which is promoted 340 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: as not a diet. It's one of the worst diets 341 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: because it pretends that it's not one, but it literally is. 342 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: I remember getting this book and I remember specifically highlighting 343 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: the part where they said, oh my gosh, this memory 344 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: it brings back like feelings, like all throughout my body. 345 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: But I remember specifically highlighting and like sending this quote 346 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: to people because I thought it was so great, and 347 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 1: it's where they said, this is not hard. Don't you 348 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 1: dare tell us this is hard. Quitting heroine is hard, 349 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: Beating cancer is hard. Drinking your coffee black is not hard. 350 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,400 Speaker 1: And as a mental health professional, even though I don't 351 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: think you have to be a mental health professional to 352 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: know this, but as one, I know that one of 353 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: the easiest ways to become obsessed with a food and 354 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 1: to make it really hard to not eat it is 355 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: to tell yourself you can't have it. So this literally 356 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,360 Speaker 1: is the definition of hard. And even with that, it's 357 00:18:56,359 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 1: an unnecessary This is an unnecessary program. And I bring 358 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 1: all these things up because the pedestal that these programs 359 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: and the people involved in them have been put on 360 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: has undoubtedly played an active role in the increase of 361 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 1: orthorexia and the minimization of the negative effects of all 362 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: of the stuff, in my opinion, and the pointlessness of them. 363 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 1: A lot of these programs are pointless, and I'll get 364 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: more into that towards the end of this conversation, But 365 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: it is not a secret that diet culture continuously ties 366 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: the path to hope, happiness, and all the things that 367 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: you want to whatever it is selling programs like the 368 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: Whole thirty do you double, because not only do they 369 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: use this to reel you in, then they incorporate both 370 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: shame and fear to keep you there in a way 371 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: that is very attractive. And again this goes to the 372 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: clean eating thing that I was talking about in the beginning. 373 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: When it doesn't work out the way it was in 374 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: quote supposed to, it ends up being your fault. So 375 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: maybe you should try it again, or you call yourself 376 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: a loser and you succumb to the idea that you'll 377 00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: never have the body you want, so then you'll never 378 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 1: get those things that were promised either, like the happiness 379 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 1: and the good life. And since the Whole thirty is 380 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: one of the most popular non diet diets I hear 381 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: about its the therapist, I want to spend some extra 382 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: time talking about it and talking about the dangers of 383 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: it and why I don't like it and why I 384 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: have a problem with it. And I say all this 385 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 1: knowing that, like I used to promote this, so you 386 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: know that quote that I like to repeat all the time, 387 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: you get to change your mind. I've changed my mind 388 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: on this as I gained new information. So if you're 389 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: unfamiliar with Whole thirty, here are the cliff notes. And 390 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 1: I'm taking this from their actual website. I'm not putting 391 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 1: any spin on this. I'm not paraphrasing it. I'm literally 392 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: taking all of this word for word from their website. 393 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: And on the page of their website that like you 394 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: click on, it says what is the Whole thirty? This 395 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: is what it says. The Whole thirty has been changing 396 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: live since two thousand nine, when co founder Melissa Hartwig 397 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,959 Speaker 1: Urban blogged about a thirty day dietary experiment that transform 398 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: her health, habits, an emotional relationship with food. Since then, 399 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 1: millions of people have changed their lives with the Whole 400 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:11,640 Speaker 1: thirty program, elimiting cravings, improving energy and sleep, reporting an 401 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: improvement in allergies, anxiety, chronic pain, digestive issues, skin conditions, 402 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: and losing weight healthfully and sustainably. And then on that 403 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: same page, in response to what is this, they quote 404 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: the founder, Melissa Heartwig Urban saying, what is this? It's 405 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: thirty days of self care, thirty days of new healthy habits, 406 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: thirty days of community. The Whole thirty has the power 407 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: to change your life and you are worth it, which 408 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: is like similar rhetoric to the bio. I read from 409 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: the Clean Eating Diet page as well, and notice the theme. 410 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: Now we're gonna talk about their rules. Yes, their food rules. 411 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: Yet this isn't a diet, which is like, that's literally 412 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: what a diet is. But here's what their rules are. Um, 413 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: it's thirty days and you can eat They say real food, 414 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: which includes to them, the only real food is meat, 415 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: seafood and eggs, vegetables and fruit, natural fats, herbs, spices, 416 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 1: and season eats. You have to eat foods with simple 417 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: or recognizable list of ingredients or no ingredients at all 418 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: because their whole and unprocessed. So that's what you can have. 419 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: So that means you can't have a lot of things 420 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 1: for thirty days. You can't have any of these. You 421 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: can't have any sugar, real or artificial. This includes things 422 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: like maple syrup and honey, which I have my own 423 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: feelings on that because that's real to me. But like 424 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: anything like no date syrup, no monk fruit extract, no 425 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 1: agvi nectar, no like not even just like you can't 426 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: have stevia on splenda and uh like high fruc toast 427 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: corn syrup or any of that. Like you can't have honey, okay, 428 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: no alcohol in any form, none whatsoever. No grains that's wheat, rye, barley, oats, oats, 429 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 1: like you can't you can have oatmeal. That was a 430 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: huge one for me. No corn rice, millet, vulgar, sprouted grains, 431 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: any gluten free anything any like quenoa things, nothing, none 432 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 1: of it. No lagoons. So this includes beans, black, red, pinto, 433 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 1: navy garbonzo, chickpeas, white kidney, I mean all of the beans. 434 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: No peanuts, no peanut, butter, all forms of soy, and 435 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: they do make an exception. You can have green beans 436 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: and most peas, which says see the fine print, like 437 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: you have to be specific most peas, but not all 438 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 1: peas because one pima might kill you, but the others 439 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: will make you feel great and perfect and wonderful. I 440 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: don't know. No dairy of any kind, cow goat, sheep, 441 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: no milk products, no cream, nothing. The only exception here 442 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: you can have clarified butter or ghee, says see the 443 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 1: fine print. No kara genans or sulfates, So if this 444 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 1: is in anything in the label, you can't have it. 445 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: No recreating baked goods or treats. No junk foods with 446 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: approved ingredients. So you can't even have like let's say, 447 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 1: to have all approved ingredients but you like mash them 448 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: up into a pancake, like the banana egg pancake. Things 449 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: that people make, you can't have that. You can't have 450 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 1: anything like that is approved, like coconut milk, ice cream, 451 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: like none of that. They say, You're cravings and habits 452 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: won't change if you keep eating these foods eat if 453 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: they are made with whole thirty ingredients. So it's literally 454 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: saying like even if you can fake yourself into thinking 455 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: that you're having ice cream by like blending a banana, 456 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: you can't have it because you shouldn't want to have 457 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 1: ice cream, Like what in the world. Okay, So there's 458 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: that and no stepping on the scale or taking measurements. 459 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 1: So this is where they say your reset is about 460 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: so much more than just weight loss. Focusing on your 461 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: body composition means you'll miss out on the most dramatic 462 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: and lifelong benefits of this plan has to offer. That's 463 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: their little thing to say, this is not about losing 464 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 1: weight and changing what your body looks like. Okay, I'd 465 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: be interested to see, like how many people follow that 466 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: and then still say that they do the whole thirty, 467 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: you know, and then they say, give us thirty days. 468 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 1: Your only job during the whole thirty is to eat 469 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 1: Whole thirty compatible foods. Your only job is to stick 470 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 1: to the whole thirty rules for thirty days straight. Now cheats, 471 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: now slips, no special occasions. This isn't a hazing or 472 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: a boot camp. The requirements for a compliance is grounded 473 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: in science. We call the whole thirty a reset, but 474 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: at its heart, the whole thirty is an elimination. Diet 475 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 1: elimination protocols have been around since the nineties, and many 476 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: doctors see how they're using all these buzzy things. Many 477 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: doctors say that they are still the gold standard and 478 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: identifying food sensitivities, but only if you do them by 479 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 1: the books. One bite of a pizza, one spoonful of 480 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: ice cream, one step of beer within the thirty day period, 481 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 1: and you've broken the reset and you have to start 482 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: over again on day one. You must commit to the 483 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 1: full program exactly as written for the full thirty days. 484 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,880 Speaker 1: Anything less, and you are selling yourself and your life 485 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: changing results short. It's only thirty days. So here's the thing. 486 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 1: A whole thirty often falls short itself of its claim 487 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: that will cause you to eliminate all your food cravings 488 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: and make them disappear, like magically disappears. If like, you 489 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: don't eat ice cream or anything that resembles ice cream 490 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: for thirty days, you're never gonna want ice cream again. 491 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 1: They can't claim that like that is an insane claim 492 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: to make, and that also goes back into this idea. 493 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: When it doesn't work, it's because like you failed in 494 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 1: some way, like you did something wrong and it's not 495 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: the program, because this program has worked for millions of people. 496 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: Yet I have not met one person who has not 497 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 1: talked about counting down the days for it to be over, 498 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 1: counting down the days that they can have a glass 499 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 1: of wine, counting down the days where they can just 500 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: go out with their friends and to have a care 501 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: free night and eat pizza. Counting down the days where 502 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: they can have something as simple as oat meal. I 503 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,640 Speaker 1: have not met one person who has not talked about that. 504 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: Day one is rarely the first step of their ten 505 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 1: day introduction phase. For people. It's usually day one of 506 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: either binging of food you've been unnecessarily restricting, or day 507 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: one of having a really hard time normalizing foods again 508 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 1: and entering back into normal eating patterns. That's pretty rare 509 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: for a lot of people to just enter back into 510 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 1: that I can like treat food as food again and 511 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 1: take out the morality or fear or shame involved in eating. 512 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: And in some cases, like especially my own, I created huge, huge, 513 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 1: huge fears around foods that used to be staples in 514 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 1: my earlier restrictive part of my eating disorder, as in 515 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: I spent months being afraid of eating oatmeal again. Plain oatmeal, 516 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 1: like and I would put nothing in my oatmeal, and 517 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: I could not eat it because I was afraid that 518 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: every time I ate it, I was gonna bloat, or 519 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: I was going to have this kind of pain, or 520 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,360 Speaker 1: it was going to cause me to gain weight, Like 521 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 1: I was afraid of oatmeal. And I feel really sad 522 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 1: for that part of me looking back now, while floating 523 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,199 Speaker 1: around their website, I also thought it was very interesting 524 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: that I found how I mentioned that quote earlier, the 525 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: one that stuck out to me the most when I 526 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 1: was doing the whole thirty myself and reading the book, 527 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: and I'm going to say the quote again, It's not hard, 528 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: don't you dare tell us this is hard. Quoting Heroin 529 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: is hard, Beating cancer is hard. Drinking your coffee black 530 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: is not hard. I found this really interesting because they 531 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: actually bring that quote up on their website, and while 532 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: they're not taking this line out of their mission, because apparently, 533 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: per their website and quotes, thousands of people have told 534 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: us that this line is finally what motivated them to 535 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: start the program and change their lives. Notice they don't 536 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: say change their lives for the better. Because that motive 537 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: me to change my life and it ended up being worse. 538 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: But maybe I'm the only one that happened to I 539 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: doubt it, but you know, I thought, oh, this would 540 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: be awesome. Maybe they're putting this quote on there to 541 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: talk about how they've changed their mind and and they've 542 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: gotten new information and now they don't see that shame 543 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: as a helpful way of encouraging people to create lasting 544 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: and lifelong healthy behavior change and all that. And no, 545 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: they don't want to take away this phrase because, like 546 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: they said, thousands of people have used this to actually 547 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: grab onto the program. And I assume that they don't 548 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: want to take that away because that would take money away. Right. 549 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: They decided they wanted to play both sides of the 550 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: fence because they also want to appeal to those who 551 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: don't get motivated by shame by saying, and this is 552 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: from their website, we'll always leave that line untouched because 553 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: it speaks to where we were when we created the 554 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: whole thirty and then many people that message has inspired. 555 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: Now we want to share something else. We know this 556 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: is hard. It may not be as physically challenging as 557 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: birthing a baby, or as emotionally draining as the death 558 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: of a loved one, But changing the way you think 559 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: about food is hard. A relationship with food is an 560 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: emotional one. Food is are comfort, a reward, a trusted friend, 561 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: a mother's love. You've got food habits, traditions, and associations 562 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: that go all the way back to childhood. You can't 563 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: imagine how you would live happily without certain foods in 564 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: your life. And we are asking you to give those 565 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: foods up for an entire month. Yes, the idea is threatening, scary, 566 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: downright paralyzing. How will you celebrate manager stress, deal with 567 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: the tough day at the office, bond with your family, 568 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: and enjoy life withoutcake, chocolate, wine, or bread. So the 569 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: issue that's here is, I mean, that is a well 570 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: written statement, and yeah, I agree with all of that, 571 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: Like this stuff is hard, and two things can be 572 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: hard at the same time, and the varying degrees don't 573 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: negate one from the other. All that they're saying right 574 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: there is super true. And the issue that I have 575 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: with this is this is a perfect beautiful example of 576 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: gas lighting. At first, you undoubtedly profess that this isn't hard, 577 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: and then in the next breath you're saying that it 578 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: is so, isn't not hard, and should I just get 579 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: over it or should I offer myself compassion. I'm so 580 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: confused here, and I'm really not sure what would have 581 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: been wrong with just acknowledging that only eating pure meat, vegetables, 582 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,239 Speaker 1: and fruits for thirty days was hard and we can 583 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: do hard things like that if you wanted to create 584 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: some messaging, that's what I would go with. Not that 585 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: I want to help this program, but that's the marketing 586 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: scheme that makes sense to me and kind of takes 587 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: the complicated nous out of this. But instead they're going 588 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,479 Speaker 1: to tell you these two opposite things, and listen, I 589 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: am all for the both, and I'm all for the 590 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: two things that exist at the same time. But they 591 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: are literally contradicting themselves in the same paragraph so that 592 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 1: they can be attractive to multiple types of people. They 593 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: don't want this program to only be pigeonholed to one 594 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: type of person. They want anybody who sees whole thirty 595 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: to think that it's the program for them. And I 596 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: don't like that. I really don't like that. Also, besides 597 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 1: all of that, this is really challenging and really hard 598 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: for a lot of reasons. But let's not ignore how 599 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: privileged this diet is. The time, the money, the energy, 600 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: the brain space that would have to go into this 601 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 1: is unreal. Trust me, I've done it multiple times, and 602 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 1: I was a single person not working full time, so 603 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,959 Speaker 1: I had an excess of essentially free time, and it 604 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: was really freaking hard and took a lot of space 605 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: in my life to do this. It was hard, and 606 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: for just anybody to be able to do this and 607 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: put that much energy into what they're eating is scary 608 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: to me because of what you have to give up 609 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: and what we're saying is important and what we're telling 610 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: people is important, and also again gas lighting that we're 611 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 1: going to say that this isn't difficult to basically surround 612 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: your life and everything that you do around the preparation 613 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 1: and what is in your food. But none of this 614 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: even addresses the main issues with programs like Whole thirty. 615 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: One of the main issues is they are just not necessary. 616 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: They capitalize on saying things like elimination diets have been 617 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: around since the nineteen twenties. Well, okay, heroin has been 618 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: around since like the eighteen hundreds, and if that seems harsh, 619 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: bifocals were invented in the seventeen hundreds, So that is like, 620 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: it just doesn't make sense for saying like this has 621 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: been around for a long time, so that means it's 622 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: it therefore has credibility. And yeah, bifocals and glasses, those 623 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: are good things, those are helpful things, But what does 624 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: it matter when they were invented. Posturing an elimination diet 625 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: to the general public is like posturing wearing prescription glasses 626 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: to the general public. Not everybody needs them, and when 627 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: they were invented doesn't matter. It does not have any 628 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: literally any bearing on the validity or the goodness or 629 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: the helpfulness or the healthiness of them. And it doesn't 630 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: also have any validity on the fact that certain people 631 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,800 Speaker 1: need them in certain people don't. Whole thirty is a business. 632 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: The equaling diet is a business, skinny, but book it 633 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: was a business move, like all of these are businesses 634 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: Folks over knives that had a business behind it that 635 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 1: was people were making money. There was agenda attached to it. 636 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: And while there are many many businesses that exist to 637 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: help people, this one very clearly to me does not. 638 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 1: It's a perfect example of how to use information that 639 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: sounds right could be right, and just enough that actually 640 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: is right to real people in and make a ship 641 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,720 Speaker 1: ton of money. The goal here, to me cannot be 642 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: actually helping people. If that were the case, I think 643 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: there would be less applauding the weight loss associated with 644 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: the program. There would be more advocation to not use 645 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: this as a weight loss tool. But the thing is, 646 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 1: when you use it as a weight loss tool, and 647 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,720 Speaker 1: a lot of people do, I would love to see 648 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 1: like actual research on how many people do this because 649 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 1: they are feeling of food sensitivity or their doctors said 650 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 1: we need to do elimination diet, and how many people 651 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,400 Speaker 1: are using this as a jump start to losing weight 652 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: or a quick fix to like lose weight or do 653 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 1: something or reduce bloating or whatever it is. But when 654 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: you use this as a weight loss tool, even if 655 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: it's not the point of why this thing was invented, 656 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: the Whole thirty business gained something. Whole thirty promises to 657 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: help people feel better, promises to help people find food 658 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: sensitivities and cure unhealthy habits, But what they also advocate 659 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: for is unhealthy rigid rules around food that they call 660 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,839 Speaker 1: boundaries that are actually really just food rules. What they 661 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:30,320 Speaker 1: also advocate for is morality of food, while also adjusting 662 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 1: the anti diet term food freedom as a term to 663 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: give their program more credibility. I have a lot of 664 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: passion when it comes to things like this, and I 665 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: think you guys can probably tell one because I personally 666 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 1: have been a victim of the false promises and that 667 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: is in conjunction with my own ignorance of health and wellness. 668 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: And I also am seeing every single day other people 669 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,359 Speaker 1: that have been victims to this as well, people that 670 00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 1: again go into this wanting something good, wanting to better, lie, 671 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 1: wanting those promises, wanting to be happy. Nobody becomes orthorexic 672 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,919 Speaker 1: because they want to be sad. I wanted something better 673 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: and I got something really confusing. And this is not 674 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 1: an antihealth podcast. This is a podcast dedicated to helping 675 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: people find the highest form of both physical and mental 676 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,399 Speaker 1: health that they can. But we don't find that through 677 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 1: shame or fear or being perfect. We find it through 678 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 1: doing the best we can with what we know until 679 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: we know more. And what we know now is that 680 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 1: dieting doesn't work. We know that for a fact, and 681 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 1: we know that marketing things as anti diet that are 682 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 1: actually diets doesn't work for the consumer. It works for 683 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,840 Speaker 1: the people selling something. And I really am not upset 684 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,320 Speaker 1: with anybody who has created one of these programs, anybody 685 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,840 Speaker 1: who has written one of these books. I'm not upset 686 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 1: with that because I think that at certain points the 687 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,879 Speaker 1: intentions around the development of some of these things were 688 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 1: really good. What I get upset with is as we 689 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: gain more information, as we have re search that says 690 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 1: like this is false, this is not true, this is harmful. 691 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: We're not adjusting our plans, we're not adjusting our language, 692 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,359 Speaker 1: and we're not apologizing to the people that we've hurt. 693 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,319 Speaker 1: We're just continuing to hurt people and promote something that 694 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 1: continues to hurt people. There's complete credibility to the fact 695 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,880 Speaker 1: that certain foods add certain things to our lives, and 696 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: certain foods, depending on the person, can be harmful to people. 697 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 1: But candy isn't poison. And you're not going to die 698 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 1: from drinking diet coke. I don't know who needs to 699 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,400 Speaker 1: hear that. Who needs to have me repeat that. I 700 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: needed to hear this a long time ago. But you 701 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,239 Speaker 1: will not die, specifically from drinking diet coke. You can 702 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 1: have that and not be afraid that you're going to 703 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: drop dead in a year from specifically drinking diet coke. 704 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 1: I'm not a dietician, so I'm not going to speak 705 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 1: specifically to what foods we should be eating and what 706 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 1: quantities and what combinations and any of that. But what 707 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,240 Speaker 1: I am is a mental health professional who knows how 708 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 1: engaging and hearing this language over and over that is 709 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,280 Speaker 1: postured and these diets and these programs in these books 710 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: and these influencers, I know how that can negatively affect 711 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 1: our mental health and our well being. And I also 712 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 1: know that our mental health literally is connected to how 713 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: we feel feel physically literally connected to how our bodies operate. 714 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 1: We get to identify what the best version of our 715 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 1: life looks like and how we want to go about 716 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 1: finding that there isn't one way to feel in, one 717 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,360 Speaker 1: way to look in, one way to eat, and we 718 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,400 Speaker 1: get to be the deciders of what the line of 719 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 1: ideal looks like for ourselves. And that's what I want 720 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,400 Speaker 1: to leave you guys with today. People who struggle with 721 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,959 Speaker 1: orthorexia can come off as stuck up or can even 722 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,799 Speaker 1: themselves feel superior. Trust me, I've been there, but it 723 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 1: doesn't have to be this way or feel this way. 724 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,600 Speaker 1: We can each find our own level of health and 725 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 1: that be okay. And if dedicating the majority of your 726 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 1: life around what you're eating and how your food is 727 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 1: prepared is taking away from the quality of how you 728 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,239 Speaker 1: get to interact and experience your life, I want you 729 00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 1: to know that there are more options out there, Like 730 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,879 Speaker 1: I promise you that. So again, I didn't intend this 731 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,319 Speaker 1: episode to actually go down this road, but it did, 732 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 1: and I'm glad that it did. And I want you 733 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,400 Speaker 1: guys to really think about, like, what's the most harmful 734 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:17,759 Speaker 1: thing becoming obsessed and developing anxiety disorders and eating disorders 735 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,799 Speaker 1: surrounded by the over analyzation of the food that we 736 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,800 Speaker 1: are putting in our bodies second by second by second 737 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 1: by second, or eating a bag of Doritos. I don't know. 738 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,600 Speaker 1: I have my own assumption. I'm gonna let you guys 739 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 1: answer that question for yourself. If you have any questions 740 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,880 Speaker 1: about this episode, please feel free to email me Catherine 741 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,239 Speaker 1: at You Need Therapy podcast dot com, and you can 742 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:42,280 Speaker 1: follow us on Instagram at at you Need Therapy Podcast 743 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:47,319 Speaker 1: and me myself specifically at cat dot defat at D 744 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:50,239 Speaker 1: E F A T. T. A. I hope you guys 745 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 1: have the day you need to have. If you're listening 746 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,399 Speaker 1: to this on Monday when it comes out, I hope 747 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 1: you have the Memorial Day you need to have, whether 748 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,239 Speaker 1: you are working or not working today. And I will 749 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:05,880 Speaker 1: be back on Wednesday for couch Shocks by Guys m