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Speaker 1: It's the half happiest seasing of all. There's gotta be

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Speaker 1: Casper Clint, Welcome to the podcast, Man, my man. Mark

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Speaker 1: I'm really glad it worked out. Um, you're someone who

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Speaker 1: You're talking to me right after getting back in from

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Speaker 1: So that's kind of in my recipe for success is Okay,

425
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,399
Speaker 1: what did this buck like? He liked south winds, He

426
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 1: used to bed here, This is what he was doing. Okay,

427
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 1: I'm gonna now look for those days, look for these places. Okay,

428
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 1: what are my does doing? Okay, my dad just cut

429
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,159
Speaker 1: a corn field a half a mile south. It's hot.

430
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 1: That's the hot food source. Now I'm trying to put

431
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 1: the puzzle pieces together. Okay, south wind, I know where

432
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 1: he liked the bed here's the hot food source. The

433
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 1: does are piling in. I'm trying to connect the dots,

434
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 1: and I'm basically waiting on that buck to show up. Now,

435
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 1: if you're the guy that had no specific buck and

436
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 1: he's just looking for any good buck, you're even in

437
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 1: better shape in my opinion, because I feel like, not

438
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 1: only are those home bucks gonna return back to your farm,

439
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 1: but you're also going to have some bucks that are

440
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:22,479
Speaker 1: frantically searching anywhere and everywhere because they know that window

441
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 1: is closing. So maybe they're gonna come over to your

442
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 1: farm and check things out for a day or two. Now,

443
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 1: they might not be there for long, but if you're

444
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 1: they're hunting and you've got opportunities. Because I do think

445
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 1: and what I've seen is mature bucks. I think they

446
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 1: start to shrink that area that they're running in, and

447
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 1: I think they start to migrate closer back to where

448
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: their core home areas. But I've still seen a lot

449
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 1: of romer bucks that probably lived two farms over or

450
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 1: lived a half mile away, that are frequenting my farm

451
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: here and there, a little bit that I've not seen

452
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 1: all year, trying to find that hot dough or maybe

453
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,239
Speaker 1: it's a year income into heat. So there again. You know,

454
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: I think if you can figure out what the does

455
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 1: are doing, regardless of whether you're hunting a specific buck

456
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: or just any good buck, if you can start to

457
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: put the patterns together of Okay, where's the hot food source?

458
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 1: Where probably are all my doughs betting right now? Those

459
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: but you're gonna have bucks circle back in there and see.

460
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 1: I like that because in my mind that gives me

461
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 1: more confidence. Then say November seven, where there are no patterns,

462
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 1: the does are scared to death. You don't know what

463
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: they're doing on a daily basis. We have no clue

464
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 1: what are bucks doing on a daily basis, We don't

465
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 1: even know what bucks are around. Later on in the month,

466
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: those patterns start to show. For me, that's a confidence booster.

467
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,360
Speaker 1: I like that. Like I said, I'm all about patterns,

468
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: kill big deer, and that's what works for me. Um.

469
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: You know, so I get excited come that late time

470
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: because I can start to use trail cameras, I can

471
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,439
Speaker 1: glass fields, I can start to put pieces together of

472
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: what are my doughs doing? Okay, what are my cameras showing.

473
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 1: I'm starting to now put pieces together on what these

474
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 1: bucks are probably going to be doing, and I try

475
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: to get ahead of that game, and that seems to

476
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: work out really good for me. Now, I've tried to

477
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 1: use this same philosophy in the earlier parts of November,

478
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 1: and the problem is is the does are not consistent

479
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: because they're scared to death half the time. The does

480
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: that aren't in heat are still getting chase, still getting

481
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: run around, so their bed defeat seed to bed. It's

482
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: all over the place, so it's hard to pattern them.

483
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 1: It's hard to figure out, obviously, what the bucks are

484
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: doing because the rutt just started, so every book in

485
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 1: the country is covering as many miles as you can

486
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: trying to find that first hot dough or find a

487
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: hot dough. So this philosophy has not worked well for

488
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: me early on in November because the patterns just aren't there.

489
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 1: But come later on, it really seems like that pattern

490
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 1: game can really put you in the hot seat. Um,

491
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: especially if you're able to combine some scouting and some

492
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: trail cameras. You know, the cell cans are all the

493
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: rage in the day's world, and this is a great

494
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: time to go Throw them on a hot scrape, throw

495
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: them on a field edge of a corn field that

496
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: was just cut, or maybe you've got a standing uh

497
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 1: food plot two acres of standing beans or something. I mean,

498
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: you can really be in the money if you can

499
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 1: figure out hot food source where we're gonna bed. You know. Now,

500
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,719
Speaker 1: like I said, we can start to kind of triangle

501
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 1: this pattern back together. Um. That gives me a lot

502
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 1: of confidence coming coming off of just the chaos of

503
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: the rut. Being able to put some patterns together. I'm

504
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 1: like I said, that gets me super pumped. I feel

505
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: like that's putting more tools in my tool buckets. Yeah,

506
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: I get that. I can I can see how that's

507
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: an appealing thing because you get kind of that. It's

508
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: a little bit of what I think makes late October

509
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: special because late October they're still on a pattern, but

510
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: you're beginning to get some of that extra rut movement

511
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 1: without total craziness. And this is kind of the same

512
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: thing you've got. There's still a little bit of that

513
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: extra movement, but you begin to return to the patterns. Um.

514
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: So a big part of what you're talking about is

515
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: it seems like if you're trying to target that single buck,

516
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,239
Speaker 1: we get to this time period, you refocus on that

517
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: core range and then you're kind of waiting for him

518
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 1: to show back up, So either with cameras or maybe observation. Um,

519
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: you mentioned a couple of those different places you might

520
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: put cameras. When you were talking about that, a random

521
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: question popped in my mind, which has been something I've

522
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: been kind of trying to get a handle on in

523
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: my own personal hunts in Ohio. So you're you're an

524
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: Ohio guy, and I've haunted Ohio quite a number of

525
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: years and then disappeared for the last three or four

526
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: years that other things going on and couldn't get down there.

527
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: I got back down to this year and I had

528
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: talked to so many different people this year who all

529
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: told me, man, if you don't put out corn, you're

530
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: not going to see him. And I've never done that

531
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 1: in the past down there, I've never had problems. And

532
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,679
Speaker 1: then this year, two different places I was at I

533
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 1: didn't put out corn. Everyone's like that, you're not gonna

534
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: see any here, You're never gonna get them. Um, what's

535
00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 1: this is kind of off topic, I realized, but this

536
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: just kind of popped my mind, and I gotta ask,

537
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: how you have seen in a bating state like Ohio,

538
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: Does it really impact things when you're trying to get

539
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: a deer in a pattern, when you're trying to take

540
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: inventory of deer, when you're trying to do anything like that.

541
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: Does that actually make a difference if you aren't using

542
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: bait but all the neighbors are. Does that ever happen?

543
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: Does it factor in or not for you? I guess

544
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: when I'm getting down. Oh yeah, absolutely, I mean, and

545
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: that's that's the nature of the beast. Um. You know,

546
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: there's great things about being able to do run bait

547
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: in Ohio, and then there's there's negatives. I mean, and

548
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 1: and that's one thing that it is rough about baiting

549
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: is I feel like you educate people, educate a ton

550
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: of deer very quick off of corn piles. Um. People

551
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: also turn deer, especially mature deer bucks specifically nocturnal, very quick,

552
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: where they might hit that bait pile consistently sixty days

553
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: out of sixty days, every single night, but you may

554
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: not have one day where it's daylight. Um, it's almost

555
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,239
Speaker 1: like you're training a dog to only eat um. You know,

556
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: you only put his food in the silver dish, not

557
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: in the black dish. Okay, So you're training him to

558
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: only eat out of the silver dish. These bucks, I

559
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: do feel like people. I think there's a stigma of all.

560
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: If I throw some corn down in Ohio, I can

561
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: kill a one fifty And I really wish it was

562
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: that simple, because sign me up for that um. But

563
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: I think it's the opposite. I think so. I mean,

564
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: I've hunted white tails in a lot of states, have

565
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: been fortunate to kill white tails in a lot of states.

566
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:38,239
Speaker 1: I've never seen white tails look up even half as

567
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: much as my Ohio white tails do. I think they

568
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: are conditioned to look up. And I think a lot

569
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: of that is guys hunting over bait, not playing the wind,

570
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: not not really hunting it correctly, constantly hunting over a bait.

571
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: But you know you're educating deer. So to answer your question,

572
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: I guess, in short terms, yes, if you've got a

573
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: farm that's surrounded by guys baiting constantly, I bet you

574
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: those guys have a ton of deer staying on them,

575
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: coming and feeding off them. Daylight activity versus night I

576
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: bet you it's a huge margin. I bet you the

577
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: gap is huge there. I will guess it's a ton

578
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: of nighttime very little daytime. But is that sucking deer

579
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: away from the farm yur on if you have no

580
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: food at all? Oh? Absolutely um, And that is just

581
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: the brutal reality of it. Now, if you've got food plots,

582
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: or you've got safe standing beans, or you've got something

583
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: to compete with that, you're okay. But if you've got

584
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: let's just say timber, and your neighbors all around you

585
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: have um their running bait piles, so there is accessible

586
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: corn there all the time, those dear figure out real quick.

587
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: We can eat all night, be back to bed before

588
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: to daylight, not show up until after dark. And realistically,

589
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: unless they're betting on you, they really don't need to

590
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: come through your wood lot. I mean honestly, they really

591
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: don't unless pressure pushes them there or that's where they bed.

592
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: So you're kind of caught in this very weird scenario

593
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: where okay, at this point, now you've got to do

594
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: food plots or bait or do something to pull deer

595
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: back to you because they're all on the outskirts or

596
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: the edges that they're all on the neighboring farms, and

597
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: it could be super frustrating. I mean, I've had some

598
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: really good farms um get ruined that were like um

599
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: big timber pieces, and all around me the neighbors were

600
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: running couple hundred pounds of of of of bait piles,

601
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: and which is legal. And you know, hey, I mean,

602
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: I'll be the first to tell you. I mean, I'm

603
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: not against by any means running corn, running bait. I mean,

604
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: I mean there's certain farms where I do it myself.

605
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: But it sucks if you're the guy on the outside

606
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: looking in there um almost to the point where you're

607
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: forced to do it in a way, So like the

608
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: saying is, oh, I gotta keep up with the Joneses,

609
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: the Jones. The Jones just put a new fence. Uff,

610
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: I gotta put a new fence. Uff. The jones Is

611
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: just resingled their house with metal. I gotta do that

612
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: to mine. They just painted their their door blue. I'm

613
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: gonna paint my red. It's almost kind of the same

614
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: thing in a way. If all your neighbors are doing

615
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: all this and you're not, you could be on the

616
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: outside look again, which is now forcing you to either ay,

617
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: not see a bunch of deer and just accept that,

618
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: or now you've got to make a change and either

619
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: compete with them, or figure out how to adapt your

620
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: property into having food a food source, whether it's food

621
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: plot or you're gonna bait or you're gonna run um

622
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: some standing crops or whatever it is. But now you're

623
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: caught in the crossfire. Which, like I said, that's that's

624
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: the good and the bad, you know, I mean, I

625
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: mean that's the debating thing. Um. I mean, it can

626
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: be a great thing if used properly. I think it

627
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: can be another real, a good tool. I think it

628
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: could be another great technique. Um. But I don't think

629
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: a lot of people honestly hunt the abait the correct way. Um.

630
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: I think it's just let's slap a stand up twenty

631
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: yards over it, and let's just hunt the crap out

632
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,239
Speaker 1: of it and show at some point. Um, I think

633
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: a lot of out of state guys feel like that's

634
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: how you can come to Ohio and kill a big deer.

635
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,479
Speaker 1: And I always chuckle because you know, if it was

636
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: that easy, everybody and their brother would be killing a

637
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: big deer doing that. And it's it's it's just not

638
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: that simple. It would club instead of ten percent. Yeah,

639
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: let's imagine this hypothetical scenario where someone is maybe right now,

640
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: this time of year, we're listening to this podcast, they

641
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: have been dealing with that problem, and they've been they've

642
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: been like, man, I don't know why my little farm

643
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: I've got access to. Maybe this is their first year

644
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,479
Speaker 1: hunting it and it's just dead. Um. Then you catch

645
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: wind that, oh yeah, this neighbor and that neighbor and

646
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: this neighbor they've been running corn. They've got feeders, YadA, YadA, YadA,

647
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: and so they hear what you're saying, and they're hearing

648
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: you say, Man, sometimes you do need to, you know,

649
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: stick with the jones is if someone wanted to try

650
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: to start running some bait to try to see if

651
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: they can right the ship and still get some action,

652
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: what's the right way to do that? If you were

653
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: going to start now in season, is there any way

654
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: to do that in a way that could lead to

655
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: some good late season success still? And if so, how

656
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: would you do it? I mean, I think I think

657
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: if you're going to run bait, I think there's a

658
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: couple of key factors you gotta look at. Number One,

659
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: you gotta have a location where deer will feel safe

660
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: in daylight. So um, for me, I'm not gonna go

661
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: dump three pounds of corn on the edge of a

662
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: wide open field. That's but that was that used to

663
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: be standing beans. Now it's wide open. I'm just gonna

664
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: dump it on the edge and hope that a big

665
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: buck's gonna show up in daylight. That's not gonna be

666
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: my spot. Um. I'm gonna want something that I can

667
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: get in and get out, But it's secluded um to me.

668
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: I think the biggest problem with with the bait thing

669
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: is deer have to feel safe in daylight being around

670
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: that area. So if it's a wide open space, a

671
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 1: wide open field, big bucks typically don't feel safe there

672
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: anyway in daylight. Um. Outside of the rut. It's it's

673
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: not like a ton of big deer like to just

674
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: hang out along the edge of some big, wide open field. Um,

675
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 1: just hanging out for everyone to see. That's just usually

676
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: not what how that goes, At least for me. I've

677
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: never been lucky and had that really take place. If

678
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: someone else has great, UM, jealous of you, but I

679
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,439
Speaker 1: would look for you know, I look for seclusion. I'm

680
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 1: also looking for south facing slopes. I'm a big south

681
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: facing slope guy in late season because that's where deer

682
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: getting all the sunlight. You've also got the most growth

683
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 1: that's gonna stay there if you do get some more

684
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: some warm spells, you've got the most tender greenery there.

685
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: So for me, I'm looking at, okay, south facing flow.

686
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: How can I get into this spot to hunt it,

687
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: not be seen, not be heard. I want to be

688
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: able to get in there and refill my bait. You know,

689
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 1: that's important. So you don't want to be blowing dear

690
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: out constantly going in, going out. So there's you know,

691
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: so we've already touched on a couple of key factors

692
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 1: here and then, um, the winds a big one. So

693
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: I think where guys really mess up with baiting is

694
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,240
Speaker 1: they don't play the wind. And it's not just okay,

695
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: well this buck likes the south wind. So I'm gonna

696
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: put a bait pile and hang a stand for a

697
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: south wind. Um, And that's just that's that's all I've

698
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: got to do. Um, sooner or later he's gonna come

699
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: walking in. Okay. Well, the problem here with this is

700
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: what guys do is they don't stick to that. So

701
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: they stick to that for maybe a few hunts, and

702
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: then they get floppy now we're hunting it on and

703
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: well it's in east wind. Let's see what happened. In

704
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: my opinion, if you blow a big buck off a

705
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: bait pile like that and he wins you one time

706
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 1: in daylight, I think you've really tipped him off. In Ohio,

707
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: these bucks have been hunting for a couple of months now,

708
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 1: So if you get tipped off like that, I think

709
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 1: you've really, really, really decreased your odds. Um. So I'm

710
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: not a huge proponent. I would tell guys I don't

711
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: really want to hunt right over quote unquote debate. I

712
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 1: want to kill a buck coming to it. I think

713
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: a lot of bucks like to get to a food

714
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: plot or or a bait station right at last light,

715
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: which makes sense. Um, they're nervous. I've I've seen, you know,

716
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: I've I've watched countless big deer come into food plots,

717
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: come into standing beans, come into a bait pole. They're nervous,

718
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: they know they need it, they want it, but or

719
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: a nervous wreck once they get there. But I watched

720
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: him for ten minutes at a hundred yards away, just

721
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: meander around and look at the squirrels and look up

722
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: in the air. And not a care in the world.

723
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: That's where I want to hunt. So for me, I

724
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 1: don't want if a buck gets spooked, I don't want

725
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: him to correlate me in the food plot or me

726
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: in the bait pile. I want him to just be like, Okay,

727
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: something doesn't seem right. I'm going to back out of here.

728
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: That's okay, But I'm a hundred yards away, you know.

729
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: So I like to hunt deer transitioning to or from

730
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 1: these spots. I think your odds of tipping them off

731
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: or lower, and I think you can play with the

732
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 1: wind a little more, so you can maybe hunt two

733
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: out of the four winds instead of just one, because

734
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: you're not hunting right over that bait. You know. So,

735
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: I've got a direction of Okay, this deer's betting over here.

736
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: He's gonna work in front of my stand, heading to

737
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: the food plot, heading to the corn pile, heading to

738
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: the standing beams. Chances are that's gonna be a pretty

739
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: consistent pattern. So now I can probably base that off

740
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: of two different winds, So now the time I should

741
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: be able to slip in there and hunt. The problem

742
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: with over the corn is you basically have like one

743
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: wind that's gonna work really good for him. So now

744
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: you've got to make that one wind work really great

745
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: for you too. It's pretty hard to do that because

746
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: you're sitting right over the bait. So for me, I

747
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,959
Speaker 1: want to be off. I want to catch that buck

748
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: in a very relaxed manner. Maybe he's a hundred yards away.

749
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: He's not close enough yet to where he's getting nervous.

750
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: You know, he's thirty minutes away from it being dark.

751
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: He's just kind of doing his thing, but he's working

752
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: up to it. I feel like if guys were to

753
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: hunt more like that, I think food plots, bait piles,

754
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: even standing crops, I think odds would drastically go up

755
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: because you gotta remember, these deer been hunted for a

756
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: few months. So at this point, if they tipped off

757
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: to anything, the gigs up, they're out of there. You know,

758
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: they hear something, uh, they get a whiff of anything

759
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: they don't like, they see you. You know, there's a

760
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: lot working against you here, so you've got to really

761
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: have your teas crossed, in your eyes dotted, and I

762
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,479
Speaker 1: think this lets you get away with a little more

763
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: than being right over the food plot, right over the

764
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: bait pile right over the standing beans. You know at

765
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: that point if you screw up, um, they are going

766
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: to correlate that immediately with whoa daylight danger? Nope, nope, nope, nope,

767
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: Like I mean, it might be. I had a buddy

768
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: last year, had a big deer pattern standing beans. He

769
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: was hunting right over the beans. The buck winded him.

770
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,919
Speaker 1: This deer was on a pattern five days in a row.

771
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: My buddy was waiting on the right wind. The wind

772
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: shifts thermals actually or what got him in my opinion,

773
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: but regardless, the wind shifts on him. Um the buck

774
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: busting at sixty yards. This was on January. I want

775
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,919
Speaker 1: to say it was like the tenth that dear did

776
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 1: not daylight again until February eighth. Our season ended the sixth.

777
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: That dear daylighted for five days in a row, broad daylight,

778
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: I mean thirty minutes of shooting light, broad daylight. He

779
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: got busted one time and that buck said nope, not anymore.

780
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: And it was seven o'clock, eight o'clock, seven thirty. I

781
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: think the closest time was six thirty, and that was

782
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: an hour, hour and fifteen minutes past shooting light. So

783
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: I mean one time. I mind you, this was a

784
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:35,839
Speaker 1: six and a half seven and a half year old buck.

785
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: But still regardless of even a three or four year old, Dear,

786
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: they've been around the block long enough they you know,

787
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: they can put that together. Hey, no, good smelled something

788
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: I didn't like. That was the end and we had

789
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: brutal cold tempts two ft of snow. I mean, January

790
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: was rough last year, and that buck absolutely would not

791
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: hit that plot until after dark, after he got winded.

792
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 1: Wouldn't do it, not until literally two days after season

793
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: he daylighted for the first time. Your margin for error

794
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: is just so much smaller once you get to the

795
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: later portion of the year, isn't it. Yeah? Um, so

796
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: I want to I want to rewind just a little

797
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 1: bit in touch on one more rut late rut layd

798
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: thing before I dive fully into this next late season topic. Um,

799
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: back to that late pre rut. I kind of took

800
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:33,479
Speaker 1: us off track with the corn question, but when when

801
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 1: you were in that late November early December period. Still

802
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: I think a lot of what you just talked about

803
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,720
Speaker 1: still applies. But one question that I still was curious

804
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: about is kind of your rut hunting philosophy. I think

805
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: there's there's two camps of people, I think, and I

806
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: think most of us combine these two things. But you

807
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: have some folks that like during the rut, whether it

808
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: be early rut or maybe in this case, the late rut,

809
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: some folks like to bounce around. It's like looking for

810
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: hot sign, looking for hot action here, and if it's

811
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: not happened today, they go to the next draw and

812
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: see if it's happening there. And if it's not going there,

813
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: they're gonna hike around midday and look at this and

814
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: they're bounce and bounce and bouncing. There's another group of

815
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 1: folks that have this man I'm gonna stick it out

816
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: mentality where they're gonna find that great pinch point. Are

817
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: they gonna find that saddle in the ridge, or they're

818
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: gonna find an awesome dough betting area that sets up

819
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: really nice, and they've got a bulletproof wind that blows

820
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: out over a pond or something. They say, man, if

821
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: I sit here dawn to dusk for three straight days

822
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: or five straight days, eventually that big buck's gonna come

823
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 1: through and they'll just wear that spot out volume hunted

824
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,919
Speaker 1: because they believe in it. Do you prefer one over

825
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: the other or when do you choose one or the

826
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,720
Speaker 1: other at this time of the rut, the late rut. UM.

827
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: I know I've heard you talk about really liking being mobile,

828
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: but I'm curious, you know, if that applies in this

829
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: situation or not. So I'm I'm I'm a confidence guy.

830
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 1: Confidence is key, UM. I think if you are confident

831
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: in a spot and that's what you believe in, that's

832
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: what you need to do. UM. I think if you

833
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 1: or the guy that's like, Nope, I need to bounce,

834
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: I need to look for hot sign. When I find

835
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: hot sign that gives me confidence, I'm gonna hunt that. Then.

836
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: I think that's what you need to do. I don't

837
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: think there's really a right or wrong answer, UM to

838
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: that question. I think it's a great question for me personally.

839
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: It usually floats back and forth from year to year. UM.

840
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: I usually try to bounce around in the middle of

841
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: the early the middle of the rut, I try to

842
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 1: bounce around, and then closer to the end of the rut,

843
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: I try to get real specific and real calculated on

844
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: what I'm doing because I'm focusing more on Okay, my

845
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:44,399
Speaker 1: bucks should be coming back at some point. Um, So

846
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: if I find hot sign on a freshly cut corn field,

847
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: or I find hot sign on the down wind side

848
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: of a dough betting area that's couple hundred yards off

849
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: some beans that we just cut, or you know, I'm

850
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: I'm looking for puzzle pieces. And once I start to

851
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 1: find some puzzle pieces put together, that's kind of what

852
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 1: I'm doing. Um, I'm not jumping around as much quote

853
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: unquote being mobile as far as you know, place to place,

854
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 1: spot to spot. I'm more or less trying now to

855
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: key in on, Okay, what spots are going to be

856
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: hot right now? And once I find those spots, I'm

857
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: going to camp out. So I'm kind of combining them

858
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: a little bit because I do want to see, Okay,

859
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: what's happening right now? Where's hot sign? Where? What are

860
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 1: what are the does doing? Where do they like to be? Okay,

861
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: now I've got these two things pinned down. Okay, my

862
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: buck hasn't showed up yet, but chances are I feel

863
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: like he's gonna come back at any moment in time.

864
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: So now I'm gonna transition and I'm gonna hunt these

865
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 1: spots that in my mind are hot and I'm gonna

866
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: probably volume hunt them and hope that I do bounce

867
00:45:56,120 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: into him. Now the other side of this lane. Um,

868
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: if you're not hunting a specific buck, I do think

869
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: right now is a great time to say, Okay, I

870
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: got hot scrapes opened up. On the other side of

871
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: my farm, there's some fresh sign, there's some big rubs. Hey,

872
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: you know what, throw caution into the wind. I'm going

873
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 1: over there and I'm gonna hunt it for a day

874
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: or two and see what happens. If nothing happens, I'm

875
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 1: going to bounce around to the other side. I mean,

876
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 1: like I said, I can see both sides, and I've

877
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: done both. Um for me, I do tend to kind

878
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: of side with the I do want to find fresh

879
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: hot sign, but I'm probably going to camp there for

880
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: a while because in my opinion, now dear more on

881
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: the pattern type game. So those hot spots should stay

882
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: hot for a while, and that's gonna be based off

883
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: probably food, Um what the does are doing. So I'm

884
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: going to focus a lot of attention on finding the

885
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: hot sign via feed via the doze buck sign should

886
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: now be there. Um, that's kind of where I'm going

887
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 1: to camp out and I'm only gonna make moves if

888
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 1: something's telling me that I'm not in the correct spot,

889
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: maybe I need to move a hundred yards uphill, or

890
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: maybe I need to you know, uh, swing around to

891
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: the other side of this this betting area that's been

892
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: really hot. You know, Like I m I might make

893
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 1: little calculated moves, but I'm not gonna make giant jump

894
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,760
Speaker 1: over to the next farm or move a mile away

895
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: type stuff. I'm gonna stay pretty committed to that. But

896
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: like I said, though, I'm focusing on those patterns, and

897
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that if I put all my eggs in

898
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 1: that basket, that's confidence for me. It's gonna pay off eventually.

899
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't. But for me,

900
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: that gives me confidence UM to kind of go back

901
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: to that um. But but I I definitely can see

902
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 1: and I've been the guy that just continues to bounce.

903
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hunt this funnel, I'm gonna hunt this dove thicket.

904
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hunt the edge of this food slot tomorrow night.

905
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: I mean, definitely, both sides of that coin can be

906
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: the winning ticket. I've got a lot of it. I

907
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 1: internally have a lot of questions when I'm out hunting

908
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: this time of year about my level of aggressiveness, because like, personally,

909
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: as a hunter, you're trying to take advantage of this

910
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: vanishing window, right, so you might want to be aggressive.

911
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: On the flip side, these deer have been pressured for

912
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,240
Speaker 1: a very long time now, and so they're becoming more

913
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: and more, you know, quick to burn out because they've

914
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: been dealing with hunters for months on end now, especially

915
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: after you know, the two or three weeks of November

916
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: where there's been you know, every bow hunter in the

917
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: world's going out there, let alone a lot of states

918
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: have a gun season open by now. So I'm constantly

919
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: trying to balance out. You know, how aggressive can I get?

920
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 1: If I want to camp out somewhere and give it time,

921
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 1: How do I do that and not burn this spot out? Um? Calling, decoying, rattling,

922
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff that seems really hot to

923
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: try out on November one? You know, is that to

924
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: risk you know in November because every Yahoo's been doing

925
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: it for twenty seven days? Um? What's your take on

926
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: just like aggressive stuff like that, calling decoying, um, you know,

927
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: just dealing with that pressure versus you know, burnout type

928
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 1: of risk reward situation that we have now three months

929
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:10,479
Speaker 1: into the year. What's your take on that? So I'm

930
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: very aggressive in being mobile and moving. I'm not afraid

931
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: to bump a buck out of his bed. Um, My

932
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: philosophy was how bucks bed are If they catch you

933
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: and they blow out the bed did its job, that

934
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 1: buck will come. He's gonna come right back. Why because

935
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,879
Speaker 1: that spot did exactly what he was supposed to do

936
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: it either when did you? Uh, he saw you, he

937
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: heard you? I mean you know. So if you try

938
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: to break into my house three nights in a row

939
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: and my alarm system catches you every time, I'm not

940
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: gonna go move houses. I'm just gonna be I'm just

941
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: gonna make sure I change my batteries in my alarm

942
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: system because that's doing the trick. Like I'm not leaving

943
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 1: my my house and my alarm system is doing what

944
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: it's supposed to do to keep me alive. I'm not

945
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: gonna go flee the country and move six states away.

946
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: I think a buck's the same way. So for me,

947
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: I'm very aggressive. Um, what I'm not aggressive on and

948
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: this blows a lot of people's minds And I've written

949
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: quite a few articles, and I've done a lot of

950
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: podcasts with uh the Gang over at w CB and

951
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: and even on my own series of DC Hunt Files

952
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: with Working Class blow Hunter about this, and it blows

953
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,959
Speaker 1: people's mind every time. And they're like, I think half

954
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: people believe me. Half people think I'm a liar. But

955
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: it is what it is. I do not call, I

956
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: don't decoy, I don't use sense um. Honestly, right now

957
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 1: in my my pack at home, I don't even think

958
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: I have a call in there. Um. It's just not

959
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 1: my jam. I don't want to be seen, I don't

960
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 1: want to be smelled. I don't want to be heard.

961
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: I'm the guy that wants a buck to walk by

962
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 1: completely oblivious to me even being there, and at thirty

963
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: seven yards I left the air out of him. Um.

964
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 1: He has no, no, absolute, no clue. So I am

965
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 1: not aggressive in any way, shape or form when it

966
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: comes to calls sense um. It's just not worked out

967
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: for me. Um. I got to ask this question not

968
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: that long ago out of like the one or two

969
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 1: P and Y are better bucks that I've killed over

970
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: the years. I have one that fell um too, calling

971
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: one um. The amount of big deer that I have

972
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: blown out and scared away via sense calls. It's a lot.

973
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: So for me, it's just not my jam I have

974
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: no confidence in it. Now. If you were to go

975
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: call Austin Chandler from Working Class bow Hunter, if you

976
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 1: were to go call Ross, Ross, Bigger Um, even Kurt Um.

977
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: Those guys they get after it, They rattle, they call.

978
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,439
Speaker 1: They think I'm crazy, but they but they get it though.

979
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: They're like, hey, man, what works for you works for you,

980
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 1: you know. And for me, yeah, I'm not a sent guy,

981
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,919
Speaker 1: not a call guy. So when it comes to that stuff, oh,

982
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 1: I am the least aggressive you'll ever meet, because I

983
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: don't even take the stuff to the woods with me.

984
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you last time I packed in whole

985
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: earns um, rattle bag, etcetera, etcetera. It's just it's just

986
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: not my jam um. But I'm very aggressive in moving

987
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: and going after a buck. I feel like, when a

988
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: buck is killable, you gotta pin your ears back and

989
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 1: go in and go after him. I think a lot

990
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: of guys sit back and wait for this, perfect opportunity,

991
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: perfect day, perfect this, and I think guys let opportunities

992
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: get away from him. Because they don't go hunt a

993
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: buck because they're waiting on all these stars to align.

994
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 1: I don't think stars align a lot. I think a

995
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: lot of big deer get killed because guys go in

996
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: and put themselves in a position for that deer to

997
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: walk by. He might walk by, he might not, but

998
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: if you're not there, he's definitely not gonna walk by

999
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: it because you're not there. So I'm I'm very aggressive

1000
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: on tactic wise with being mobile. Um, I'll get right

1001
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 1: up in a buck's face, close to her he beds um, etcetera, etcetera.

1002
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: Doesn't bother me one bit. You tell me I've got

1003
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: to go call the buck in and I'm going to

1004
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: be a nervous rect That's just not my camp. Like

1005
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: he said, it goes back to confidence. Right. Let's say

1006
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: we're kind of transitioning more into and I think this

1007
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: could be applicable to late November, but also December or

1008
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 1: January or whatever when we're in that late season. You know,

1009
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 1: you talked about how you you want to be aggressive

1010
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 1: and finding those deer and getting close to their bedding.

1011
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: Years you talked about how you like to pick up

1012
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 1: that pattern again when they return. How how do you

1013
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: go about getting that pattern again, get finding that hot sign,

1014
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: or putting the pieces, the puzzle pieces together to develop

1015
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: a pattern on a deer in the late season when

1016
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: it just seems so easy to trigger this deer. Kind

1017
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,879
Speaker 1: of going back to what we were talking about earlier. Yeah,

1018
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: I want to get all this information about what this

1019
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: buck's doing. But if he wins me one time, he

1020
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: might be nocturnal for the next month and a half.

1021
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: So how do you personally go about, you know, whether

1022
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: it be getting camera pictures or scouting on foot or

1023
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 1: whatever you're doing, how do you start putting that late

1024
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: season pattern together without letting them know that you're onto him?

1025
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,720
Speaker 1: So I try. For me, the wind is everything I

1026
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 1: you know, a white tail lives and die by his

1027
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: by his nose. I'm living and dying by the wind

1028
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,760
Speaker 1: in late season. Um. I try to let my glass

1029
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: spotting scope, binoculars and my trail cams do all my

1030
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: work for me. I don't go down in the timber.

1031
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 1: Um I am. I am being as as you know,

1032
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: least intrusive as I possibly can, trying to just find

1033
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: the buck or a good buck. Once I do get

1034
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: some photos or I do see one okay. At that point,

1035
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: now I will start to dive into the timber if

1036
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: need be, which typically usually I've got to do, and

1037
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: I will strategically based off that wind, only go in

1038
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: on days when I know I can step in, hang

1039
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 1: a camera, check a camera, hang a stand. You know,

1040
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: everything is based off the wind, and I can't base

1041
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 1: anything off the wind until I get some pictures of

1042
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: a buck and then I mark everything down. So a

1043
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: buck comes through at ten o'clock at night, what was

1044
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: the wind doing? He comes back through at four in

1045
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 1: the morning, what was the wind doing? Big dear, do

1046
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 1: things based off of that wind. There's a rhyme and

1047
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: a reason why. So my first step is I need

1048
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: to figure out what wind and why that's gonna lead

1049
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 1: me to okay, based off that, he's probably betting here

1050
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: or here. So now I'm staying away from any areas

1051
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 1: that he can pick me off, coming and going from

1052
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: a stand, coming and going from a camera while he's

1053
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 1: betted in those spots. Um last year was a prime example.

1054
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: I hunted that giant eight that I killed. I hunted

1055
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: him seventy six days for thirty of those last final

1056
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: probably well, let's see the last twenty out of thirty days.

1057
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: Last twenty five out of thirty days, I thought that

1058
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 1: buck was dead. Um. I got a photo of him

1059
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: on a Tuesday night, right after dark, coming from a

1060
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: south facing slope with the wind out of the west,

1061
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,879
Speaker 1: knowing that as he worked off this south slope that

1062
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,399
Speaker 1: wind was gonna come right across all the wide open

1063
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 1: fields he was heading up to cut cornfields. That was

1064
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: allowing him to send check everything as he made his

1065
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: way across the south facing ridge. The next day, another

1066
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: west wind. It's negative twenty it's even colder. Now. I

1067
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: know it's going to be brutal, but I know this

1068
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 1: buck's gonna be on his feed even earlier. I put

1069
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,479
Speaker 1: a standing stick set form no vic's on my back

1070
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: and I went in and did a hanging hunt, and

1071
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: I killed him that night at five o'clock. Now that's

1072
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: ultra aggressive, but the window to get that deer killed

1073
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 1: was about two days. I had west winds for two

1074
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 1: more days, brutally cold. I knew the deer. I knew

1075
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: that Buck was betting on that south facer. He was

1076
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: gonna try to get as much sun as possible. I

1077
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: knew he had to move because it was so brutally

1078
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,720
Speaker 1: cold foot and a half of snow deer half to feed.

1079
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: And I mean, when you lay all day and get

1080
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: stiff like that, I knew those deer were gonna have

1081
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: to move. So I'm like, okay, I'm gonna go in,

1082
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: hang a set and hope that in the next two

1083
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: days this buck's gonna walk by. He ends up walking

1084
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: by at thirty seven yards the next night, and I

1085
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: let the air out of him. That was a super

1086
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: super aggressive move, but that was my window. I didn't

1087
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: have time to get daylight pictures of him. I didn't

1088
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: have time to analyze everything. It was, Okay, he's back.

1089
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: It's a west wind. This makes sense. He's betting back

1090
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: on the same south facing slope that he bet it

1091
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: on an early season. He's coming to this cut corn.

1092
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: I have got to get my butt in between those

1093
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 1: two spots and hopefully he's gonna walk by me. I

1094
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: got two days of west winds and after that it's

1095
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: straight north wind for the next four or five. So

1096
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: my window was two days, and I'm like, you know

1097
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: what this is gonna and and I'm not one to

1098
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 1: sugarcoat it. I'm like, this is gonna suck. Hanging a step.

1099
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,439
Speaker 1: So I left it one thirty in the afternoon. By

1100
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: two forty five, I was setting ready to go. It's

1101
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: I mean, my hands to this day are still frost bitten,

1102
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: and my right foot it's still frost bitten. Um, you know,

1103
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't fun by any means, but I

1104
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: knew that was my window. Um My mom and dad

1105
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: at friends were like, your nuts, there's a weather advisory.

1106
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: Don't be breathing in the cold, don't be out there.

1107
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, I get that, but this is my window.

1108
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: If you're not aggressive and you didn't go hang a

1109
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: stand and you didn't get in there and mix it up,

1110
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: that deer doesn't die. And that's the only reason why

1111
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: I killed that buck is because I had to, unfortunately

1112
00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: pin the years back, put on a million layers stick

1113
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 1: handwarmers all over myself and just go get after it.

1114
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: And and it paid off for me. But like I said,

1115
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 1: it was a very short window, and I knew that

1116
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: in and in years past, I've set back, Well, let's

1117
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,439
Speaker 1: wait and see if he shows back up. Well, let's

1118
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: see if he daylights tomorrow. And that's been a mistake

1119
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: on that book. I said, Nope, Tomorrow's the day I'm

1120
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 1: going in. I'm hanging the set. If I don't kill

1121
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: him Wednesday, I'm gonna hunt it Thursday, another west wind.

1122
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: You know. So it was a very aggressive move, but

1123
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,479
Speaker 1: like I said, very short time window. And I've learned

1124
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 1: over the years there's just times when you've got to

1125
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: be aggressive and you just gotta pin the years back

1126
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: and go after it. And you know, hey, he might

1127
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: not have walked by either one of those nights, but

1128
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: I felt like I had odds in my favor. I

1129
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 1: felt like those were my windows. I had no choice.

1130
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: You want to kill this buck, You're gonna have to

1131
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 1: brave the elements and just go get after it. And

1132
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 1: unfortunately or or unfortunately for him, fortunately for me, it

1133
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 1: worked out that way, and he walked by at thirty

1134
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 1: seven and I was able to get him killed. But

1135
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: you know that, I think is a good example um

1136
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: of being really aggressive in late season. But with a plan.

1137
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 1: I knew I could get in and get out without

1138
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: being seen and detected. He wasn't gonna see me or

1139
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: win me from where he was betting. You know, I

1140
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 1: had a very strategic plan. It's just I had to

1141
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 1: act quick. There was no. You know, I remember changing

1142
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 1: the kids schedule around with their mom, and she, you know,

1143
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: she works, you know, her and I have a great relationship.

1144
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: She works with me all the time when it comes

1145
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: to hunting stuff. I'm like, hey, I gotta change this

1146
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: around what we're doing, you know. I'm like, these next

1147
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: two nights, I gotta hunt. She's like, dude, I get it,

1148
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 1: like get it done like you know. Which was great

1149
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: because the boys had kind of been following me all

1150
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: year with that buck, and I think they did more

1151
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 1: about that deer than anybody else. Honestly, they were. Yeah,

1152
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: they were talking about him at school and and I'd

1153
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: have you know, I went to parent teacher conference and

1154
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: like November, and the teacher was like, so, did we

1155
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: kill the Giant eight yet? And she's not, She's not

1156
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 1: a hunter by any means, but yeah, so so anyways, yeah,

1157
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 1: it all worked out great. But you know, could you know,

1158
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 1: is it always gonna work out like that? No? But

1159
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 1: that was one time where I'm like, hey, history repeats

1160
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: itself if you don't get aggressive right now, this buck's

1161
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 1: not dying. And I really truly don't think there was

1162
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: another window of time to kill that deer. Because I

1163
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 1: shot in January. The season end the sixth of February,

1164
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: there wasn't gonna be maybe but one more west wind

1165
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 1: night for the rest of the season. So those two

1166
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: days were my days. I had to had to get

1167
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 1: in there and nix it up. And uh, I paid

1168
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 1: the price on my hands. But I do have a

1169
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 1: giant eight hanging on the wall, so it was all

1170
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 1: well worth it. You weren't kidding about frostbite like that

1171
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:52,959
Speaker 1: was an exaggeration. You literally are frost bit. Oh yeah,

1172
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 1: both both my hand yeah yeah, I did. Uh yeah,

1173
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 1: both both my hands are Um, they were purple for

1174
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 1: a while. They didn't turn black. But the doctor told

1175
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: me flat out, you know, He's like, you, You're gonna

1176
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 1: have this forever, like this is this is gonna be

1177
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 1: a thing. So like if I have a cold beer, um,

1178
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 1: I can maybe have a beer or two, um without

1179
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 1: a couzy. But if I'm gonna sit around and have

1180
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: five six beers with a buddy or something like that, oh,

1181
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 1: after about the second one, I've got to have a

1182
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:25,080
Speaker 1: couzy or I gotta be switching hands all the time. Yeah,

1183
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 1: it's it's I definitely paid the price. I shoot a hinge.

1184
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 1: So I never wear gloves, and if I do, they're

1185
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: like cut off. So I had handwarmers in my pocket.

1186
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 1: But what it was is that hinge is brass. And

1187
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 1: then the grip on my bow. Um, that's what really

1188
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 1: got me was I was holding my bow. I was

1189
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 1: at full draw two different times. I probably had my

1190
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 1: hands on the release and on the bow for five

1191
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: or six minutes, and I could feel it sticking. I

1192
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 1: knew it wasn't gonna be good, but you know, when

1193
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 1: you've got a world class eight in front of probably

1194
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: the biggest aid I'll ever hunt at that time, I

1195
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: wasn't really too concerned about this, not just different. Yeah, man, Um,

1196
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: So it seems like a big part of the success

1197
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 1: there is the big part of a lot of late

1198
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 1: season hunts, which is timing. Um, you had this weather

1199
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 1: window and then you have the camera picture that told

1200
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: you like he's close. Um. I want to kind of

1201
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 1: get a little more detail on both of those things.

1202
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 1: But let's first start with the camera thing, because I

1203
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: think for a lot of guys, you know, like you mentioned,

1204
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,439
Speaker 1: they're kind of waiting for the stars to align during

1205
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 1: the late season UM, and pictures. You know, whether you're

1206
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 1: waiting for all the stars to align or something to align.

1207
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 1: Pictures can be a big part of that. When it

1208
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 1: comes to your late camera or certain late season camera strategy.

1209
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 1: Where where are you placing your cameras in the late

1210
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 1: season and are you running all cell cameras during this

1211
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 1: time of year? Is it traditional and cell like? How

1212
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: does that mix up look at this time of year

1213
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 1: and how do you use them different? If so so,

1214
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:00,080
Speaker 1: I'm trying to run as many cells with Lyzie at

1215
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 1: the ums that I can because that's gonna I don't

1216
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 1: have to go in and change batteries, I don't have

1217
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 1: to go in and check the s D card, and

1218
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 1: I can have up to date real time photos UM.

1219
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 1: For me, I'm looking for high volume area of a

1220
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 1: deer to start with. I want hot food source, standing beans,

1221
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: specially cut corn field UM. Maybe it's an oak ridge

1222
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 1: that dropped late in the deer or just digging like

1223
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:27,080
Speaker 1: crazy for it. I want to find hottest feed source.

1224
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 1: I want to find the main conjunction or the or

1225
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 1: the main UM. I guess you could say the hub

1226
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 1: of where all the local deer coming to feed. There's

1227
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 1: usually somewhere that's super hot at this time, that's where

1228
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 1: I want to be, so I'll scout find that um.

1229
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: For me, it's a lot of eggs field, a lot

1230
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: of farm countries, so it's typically usually some type of

1231
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 1: field or some type of Maybe it's some standing beans,

1232
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 1: maybe it's um. Like I said, in an an oak

1233
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 1: ridge that they fell late in it's just getting pounded now.

1234
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 1: But I'm looking for highest areas of volume when it

1235
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 1: comes to deer because I'm not necessarily worried about what

1236
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 1: time a buck showing up to this At this point,

1237
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 1: I just need to know, Okay, this is where this

1238
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 1: deer is concentrating on feeding. Now I can backtrack him

1239
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 1: and try to figure out where's he bed. Why is

1240
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 1: he not getting here until an hour after dark? You know?

1241
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 1: Now I can start to put the puzzle pieces together.

1242
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 1: But I'm looking for you know, basically food food food,

1243
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 1: food food, because right now that's all deer worried about.

1244
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 1: They're worried about feed and cover. So once I figure

1245
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 1: out where the hot food sources now I can backtrack

1246
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 1: and start figuring out based off the wind. Um. I'm

1247
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 1: a huge note guy. Um. I think I do more

1248
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 1: homework for Elk white Tail's antelope and mule deer and

1249
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 1: turkeys than I ever did in any college many year

1250
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 1: of college or high school. Um, I'm always jotting stuff

1251
01:05:55,400 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 1: down constantly. UM, wind direction, barometer, weather fronts. Um. I'm

1252
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 1: like I said, I'm a big pattern guys. So the

1253
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 1: analytics of this for me, you're huge and patterns usually

1254
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:12,440
Speaker 1: always jump out at me. So on this late season deal, Um,

1255
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 1: it seems like there's always a certain wind direction that

1256
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 1: they love to use, especially in daylight. If they're going

1257
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:20,920
Speaker 1: to come to a food source or they're coming to

1258
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 1: a certain spot, there's always some type of wind direction

1259
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 1: typically that's going to allow them to send check for

1260
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 1: a few hundred yards where they ever get there. Um,

1261
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 1: they're on high alert. They've been hunted for months, so

1262
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:36,680
Speaker 1: that all makes sense. So that's kind of my philosophy

1263
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 1: is figure out hot feed and then I'm going to

1264
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 1: backtrack based off the wind, which should unlock the keys

1265
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: to okay, where they betting, Because once I figure out

1266
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 1: what wind he likes, that deer is coming from a

1267
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 1: betting area to get to this speed source. Typically he's

1268
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 1: going to have the wind in his face or quartering

1269
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 1: to him all the time. The entire time in the

1270
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 1: late seas, and that deer wants to know what is

1271
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 1: out in front of mean. Um, you know, he's not

1272
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 1: gonna walk with that wind at his back. He's been

1273
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 1: hunting for months, you know what. We're talking to mature buck.

1274
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 1: So that wind unlocks a lot of secrets to me.

1275
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 1: Once I can figure that out what this deer likes.

1276
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 1: That usually unlocks where he's betting, where a staging area

1277
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 1: might be, etcetera, etcetera, and then from there I can

1278
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 1: figure out, Okay, where's my highest percentage play to kill

1279
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 1: this buck? Do I need to be thirty minutes off

1280
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 1: the food source because he's never getting here in daylight

1281
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 1: based off my cell camps, but he's here right after dark,

1282
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 1: so he is moving in daylight. He's just not getting

1283
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 1: here in time. Okay, I need to I need to

1284
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 1: kill him where he's staging up, where he's transitioning from

1285
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 1: that bed to feed pattern, or maybe he is daylighting

1286
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 1: on the food source, but it's only on a south wind,

1287
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 1: or it's only on a southeast wind. Okay, when am

1288
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 1: I going to have those winds? On those winds? I

1289
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 1: need to be right there, you know, because it is

1290
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 1: nice to not have to go into the timber um.

1291
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 1: I try to set things up where I don't have

1292
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 1: to go down into the timber and I can hunt

1293
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:11,919
Speaker 1: more or less on edges or close to edges where

1294
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 1: I'm not having to go walk through the woods, because

1295
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 1: like I said, you know, you bump one dough during

1296
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 1: this time of the year and she blows for twenty minutes,

1297
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:22,640
Speaker 1: and then everybody else blows and then before you know it,

1298
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 1: all thirty deer have blown out and now you're completely

1299
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 1: wrecked for the next five days. So I'm trying to

1300
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 1: be as as you know, the least amount of intrusive

1301
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 1: as I can with this um, but it is it

1302
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 1: is a system, you know, and sometimes you gotta kind

1303
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 1: of think quick on your feet. Just like you know

1304
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: the Big Eight from last year, that was a a picture.

1305
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 1: He's alive, okay, based off what I know, he's probably

1306
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:49,640
Speaker 1: been here. He's coming here to feed. I've got the

1307
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:51,720
Speaker 1: picture of him doing that. I gotta get in the

1308
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 1: middle tomorrow and kill him. So sometimes it's it's you

1309
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 1: almost gotta put together a really quick plan. Other times

1310
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 1: it might take a week or two to really figure

1311
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 1: a buck out um and figure out the best approach

1312
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:06,879
Speaker 1: to killing him, you know, and like I said, the

1313
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 1: wind in the hot food source. For me, those are

1314
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 1: the two things that really kind of hold the keys

1315
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:15,639
Speaker 1: to the car. I guess you could say, do you

1316
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:20,839
Speaker 1: give any consideration to these other factors that that frequently

1317
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:23,600
Speaker 1: get brought up really the whole season, but definitely in

1318
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 1: the late season too, like the weather, like those temperature drops,

1319
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 1: the frigid cold, snow, uh moon, anything moon related, bare

1320
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:36,640
Speaker 1: metric pressure. Do any of those factoring for you? So,

1321
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 1: I'm a huge red moon guy. You know, there's certain

1322
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 1: days of the month where the you know, the sun

1323
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:45,520
Speaker 1: is setting or the sun is setting, the moon is rising. Um,

1324
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 1: I like, you know, I like that that new moon

1325
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 1: right after those red moon dates. I'm a big I'm

1326
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 1: a big new moon guy. Um. That stuff all does correlate.

1327
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 1: But weather is king. Um, I don't care what the

1328
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 1: moon's doing. You get a cold front coming in, cold

1329
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 1: front coming out, or even the backside of a cold

1330
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 1: front in the first warm front day where those deer like,

1331
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, it's thirty degrees instead of ten. Those

1332
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:17,599
Speaker 1: big drops higher low are great. And let's be honest,

1333
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, deer can only sit in the

1334
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 1: cold for so long before they have to go replenish calories.

1335
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:27,880
Speaker 1: So like last year was a prime example that Big

1336
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:31,519
Speaker 1: eight had been gone for a long time. I mean

1337
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 1: we're talking weeks. I had seven or eight cameras running,

1338
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 1: cell cams running for that buck. I thought he was dead.

1339
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 1: But when that cold spell come in of three or

1340
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 1: four days of negative twenty negative fifteen two ft of snow,

1341
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 1: he had to go to a hot food source, and

1342
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:50,400
Speaker 1: that deer had to start moving way earlier than what

1343
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:53,639
Speaker 1: he was doing. He come back to his home area,

1344
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:56,679
Speaker 1: come back to what he knew, bedded on a ridge

1345
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:58,600
Speaker 1: that he knew was safe. It was south space, and

1346
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 1: he's getting the sun. So you know, yeah, I mean

1347
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 1: weather is a huge factor. You give me cold and

1348
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 1: snow in January, and I'm honestly going to tell you

1349
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:10,759
Speaker 1: that's my favorite months of the entire white tail season.

1350
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:12,720
Speaker 1: To kill a big buck. You give me cold and

1351
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:17,880
Speaker 1: snow in January. I am a happy, dangerous man. Yeah,

1352
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 1: especially for someone who loves to pattern deer right, because uh,

1353
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 1: that works in favor for that style honeying a lot. Always. Yes,

1354
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:29,480
Speaker 1: my that makes me extremely happy and in my confidence

1355
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:32,720
Speaker 1: level sores. When I see January second, it's going to

1356
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:35,719
Speaker 1: be fifteen degrees and there's a six inches of snow

1357
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 1: coming tomorrow. Yeah, I'm I'm very if I have a

1358
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,599
Speaker 1: buck tag in my pocket, I am man. I am

1359
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 1: chopping up a bit to get after it. Yeah, So

1360
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 1: what do you do when that never comes? Like, what's

1361
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 1: let's say you're after either you're after a specific buck

1362
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 1: or any buck, but it's late season and the season

1363
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 1: is dwindling, and you're just getting mild lousy tempts all

1364
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 1: the way through. At some point, do you just say, well,

1365
01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 1: it looks like the forecast is never gonna give me

1366
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:02,559
Speaker 1: that great temp drop. I just gotta do something crazy.

1367
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 1: I gotta try anyways, or or what do you do

1368
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 1: when you're stuck with lousy weather? Yeah? I mean I

1369
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:10,599
Speaker 1: think you've got to go back to you know, you

1370
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:12,639
Speaker 1: you've got to hunt smart and still have a plan,

1371
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 1: but I think you've got to hunt with confidence that Okay,

1372
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 1: one of these nights, this buck's gonna get up on

1373
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 1: his feet and he's gonna want to come to this

1374
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 1: hot food source and he's just gonna decide, Hey, you

1375
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:28,640
Speaker 1: know what, I'm just gonna come here early and you

1376
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 1: catch him working from bed to feed, or you shoot

1377
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 1: him on the edge of a field or whatever. You know.

1378
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 1: I think at that point you're at a crossroads. You

1379
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 1: can either not hunt because conditions aren't in your favor,

1380
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 1: or you keep grinding and you hope that the one

1381
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 1: or two nights out of those thirty days of lousy weather,

1382
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:49,600
Speaker 1: he decides he's gonna get up and move on a

1383
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 1: wind that he likes, and you're just there. Um for me, man,

1384
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 1: like you said in the beginning, I'm a grinder, So

1385
01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna continue to hunt. I'm gonna hunt smart, I'm

1386
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 1: gonna continue to hopefully let the patterns play out for me. Um.

1387
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:08,599
Speaker 1: That can be mentally tough, because, yeah, it's not fun

1388
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 1: to hunt in forty five degree weather and mud and

1389
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 1: muck throughout January. Um, that's not really forcing deer to move,

1390
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 1: but that also deters a lot of guys from hunting.

1391
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:21,559
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of guys that don't want

1392
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 1: to huntree weather, and there's a lot of guys that

1393
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:28,839
Speaker 1: don't want to hunt negative fifteen. So both extremes usually

1394
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:30,600
Speaker 1: take a lot of guys out of the woods. That

1395
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:33,040
Speaker 1: is one good thing, Um, The other thing you've got

1396
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:36,559
Speaker 1: going for you is, you know, on on on warmer

1397
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:40,840
Speaker 1: weather days, UM, when you do have a temperature drop,

1398
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:44,640
Speaker 1: that usually significantly gets deer up on their feet. So

1399
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 1: let's say it's gonna go from forty five down to

1400
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 1: it's fort during the day, it's gonna drop down to

1401
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:52,720
Speaker 1: twenty at night. The next day it's going to be

1402
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 1: in the thirties, and it's gonna go back up into

1403
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 1: the forties fifties again. Okay, that one day is probably

1404
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 1: gonna be your window you need to be in the

1405
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:03,599
Speaker 1: woods because that that weather drop, even though it's still

1406
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 1: not super cold, you dropped twelve fifteen degrees, And I realized,

1407
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 1: thirties not that cold in January, but when it was

1408
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 1: forty six, Now you're dropping down to thirty. So I

1409
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 1: guess you just got to look at it as you've

1410
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 1: got to find confidence, and you've got to find the

1411
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 1: positive in lousy weather in late season, um, and still

1412
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:27,479
Speaker 1: find those little windows where Okay, it's not cold, but

1413
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 1: it is going to go from forty five down to thirty.

1414
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 1: That's a fifteen degrees drop for a deer. That's a

1415
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 1: big deal. That's gonna get them on their feet. You know,

1416
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 1: you've got that brahmic pressure rising and falling because of

1417
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 1: that before and after that day. Those are all things

1418
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 1: that are going to get a deer to get up

1419
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:45,800
Speaker 1: and start moving. So yes, is it ideal? No, I'm

1420
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 1: the guy that wants cold and snow the entire month

1421
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:50,800
Speaker 1: of December, January, and early February, that's me. Do I

1422
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 1: always get that? Absolutely not? But when I do get that, boy,

1423
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 1: oh boy, I'm happy. Yeah, I'm right there with you.

1424
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:01,680
Speaker 1: Here's my Here's one thing I'm wondering about, Like, I'm

1425
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 1: curious how you pull this off with the with the

1426
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:08,719
Speaker 1: late season grind approach, which is, you know, keeping after

1427
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 1: deer day after day after day, you know, knowing that

1428
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:14,640
Speaker 1: you got to catch that one or two maybe that

1429
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 1: one time he makes a mistake in December, January or

1430
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 1: whatever it is. How do you do that without educating deer?

1431
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 1: Especially in your exits, you know, those evening hunts. Getting

1432
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:26,719
Speaker 1: out is so hard, especially when you're trying to hunt

1433
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:30,919
Speaker 1: near hot food source. What's your access and exit strategy

1434
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:32,640
Speaker 1: this time of the year when it just seems like

1435
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 1: really particularly hard to get away with it, especially getting

1436
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:39,320
Speaker 1: you know, if you're anywhere near food at the end

1437
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 1: of the night. How do you how do you pull

1438
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:45,439
Speaker 1: that off? So for for me, I'm still I'm I'm

1439
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 1: basing everything off the wind. So I'm not gonna hunt

1440
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:50,639
Speaker 1: on nights when that wind is not in my favor.

1441
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 1: I hunt winds that are good for the deer. So like,

1442
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:58,759
Speaker 1: if a buck is he's a fan of an east wind, Okay,

1443
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hunt on east wind night, but I'm gonna

1444
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:06,879
Speaker 1: make my set up to where that east wind also

1445
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 1: is good for me and the buck. I think a

1446
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:11,599
Speaker 1: lot of guys they they want to hunt a wind

1447
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:14,559
Speaker 1: that's good for them, and that's usually not a good

1448
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:16,559
Speaker 1: wind for the buck. And you've got to think of

1449
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 1: it as, Okay, what win does this buck like? Now,

1450
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 1: how do I make that wind? So there's a lot

1451
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 1: of setups of mine that are very edgy. I am

1452
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:29,520
Speaker 1: quartering a wind, so I am on the verge of disaster.

1453
01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm allowing myself an opportunity. If I play

1454
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:38,680
Speaker 1: my scent control right, I play my thermals right, I

1455
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,599
Speaker 1: should be able to get away with this. Very rarely

1456
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 1: is it a perfect scenario. And I think that's where

1457
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:46,719
Speaker 1: some guys get in trouble. They're looking for this perfect

1458
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 1: wind for the buck, and then they're trying to make

1459
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 1: that perfect for them. I'm the guy that floirts with

1460
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:56,320
Speaker 1: disaster because I'm a little more aggressive on that. Normally,

1461
01:16:56,479 --> 01:16:58,320
Speaker 1: I'm not able to get a perfect wind for the

1462
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 1: buck and make that a perfect wind for me. I've

1463
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 1: usually got to kind of run the quartering wind deal

1464
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 1: where yes, can I get away with this? Yes? But

1465
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 1: could this spell disaster for me too if deer would

1466
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 1: loop around me or they run maybe uh a j

1467
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:18,520
Speaker 1: hook around me. Yes. So I try to set myself

1468
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 1: up with all those things in mind. Um, I'm staying

1469
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 1: after a buck, with cameras, with glassing, with with trying

1470
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:28,760
Speaker 1: to figure everything out best I can. But I will

1471
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:32,599
Speaker 1: not come off my wind plan. I will not hunt

1472
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 1: on a wind that is not right for me. As

1473
01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 1: far as I know, I'm gonna probably get winded or like,

1474
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:42,640
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna throw caution to the wind. So I

1475
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 1: will have multiple stand setups that's gonna allow me to

1476
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 1: hunt different winds. But realistically, maybe only one or two

1477
01:17:50,160 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 1: of those three or four are probably where he's going

1478
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:55,599
Speaker 1: to be killed. The other ones might be observation sits.

1479
01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 1: The other ones might be in spots that are a

1480
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 1: few hundred yards off. Could he walk by, yes, But

1481
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:04,560
Speaker 1: realistically it's just giving me opportunity. Yes, is there an opportunity,

1482
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 1: for sure, But I'm not gonna get aggressive and hunt

1483
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 1: him hard on nights where everything's not in my favor

1484
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 1: as far as mainly that wind, because yeah, if you

1485
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:17,719
Speaker 1: get sloppy with entry and exit, if you get sloppy

1486
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:19,880
Speaker 1: with the wind and you're getting winded, I mean it's

1487
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:22,599
Speaker 1: it's only gonna take a few times, and every deer

1488
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:25,519
Speaker 1: figures out what's going on. Um one or two times

1489
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 1: in the big buck figures it out. So for me,

1490
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:31,280
Speaker 1: you know, I'm very very particular with what nights I'm

1491
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:34,920
Speaker 1: gonna hunt. Entry and exit's huge. Um, I don't get

1492
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:37,040
Speaker 1: sloppy with that. If i have to loop clear around

1493
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:39,680
Speaker 1: a half a mile and I'm not getting back to

1494
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:42,160
Speaker 1: my truck till seven o'clock at night and it's dark

1495
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 1: at five thirty, I mean, honestly, yeah, it does suck

1496
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:47,680
Speaker 1: at times, but that's just the game. Sometimes you gotta play.

1497
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:51,400
Speaker 1: Um trying to get off the fields are off of

1498
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 1: food sources where there's a lot of deer Um. I'm

1499
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 1: a big proponent of ironic Um. So it's funny. I

1500
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:00,760
Speaker 1: don't call for d year, but I'll call it to

1501
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:03,840
Speaker 1: get deer out of the field. So I'll run. Um,

1502
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:06,200
Speaker 1: I'll screech on an owl hoot, which will sound nothing

1503
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 1: like an owl, but it's a foreign noise that they

1504
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on, and they'll none of them

1505
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 1: will blow, but they just get the heck out of there.

1506
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:14,760
Speaker 1: Forty minutes later, they're all right back in front of

1507
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 1: my camera. Sometimes I'll bark like a dog. Um. I've

1508
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:21,680
Speaker 1: I've taken a coyote haller in there with me. I

1509
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 1: do things to clear the field that is not human related. Um.

1510
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:29,559
Speaker 1: I've had my dad drives back before on a tractor. Um,

1511
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 1: and hey you know it's past dark. Hey you need

1512
01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 1: to spread manure. Come back here close to this field

1513
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 1: and spread it. And that's going to clear this field

1514
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 1: for me. They're used to tractors, they're used to trucks,

1515
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 1: you know whatever. So I kind of get creative on that,

1516
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 1: because yeah, you don't just want to say as screw it.

1517
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:49,639
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna get down and five or six old

1518
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:52,920
Speaker 1: mature does watch a climb out of this tree walk

1519
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 1: across the field. Yeah, I'm definitely not playing that game. Um,

1520
01:19:57,120 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 1: that is flirting with disaster in a way that I

1521
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:02,600
Speaker 1: don't want to flirt with it. So yeah, yeah, that

1522
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 1: can that can spiral a late season hunt real quick. Yeah. Absolutely,

1523
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:15,280
Speaker 1: What when it comes to that time of year? Client,

1524
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 1: what do you do? What do you do that other

1525
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:24,280
Speaker 1: hunters or that your buddies think is nuts? All right? Like,

1526
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:26,720
Speaker 1: I know you talked about and during the rut you're

1527
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 1: not much for calling a lot of people think you're

1528
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 1: nuts there, But what about in the late season? Is

1529
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:33,200
Speaker 1: there anything you do that's off the wall or unexpected

1530
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 1: or just different than the usual that folks when they

1531
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:41,599
Speaker 1: hear are like, huh. I definitely think the cold weather

1532
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:45,320
Speaker 1: and being able to grind in that in that type

1533
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 1: of environment. A lot of people are like, man, a

1534
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 1: deer is just not worth it to me for that,

1535
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:51,880
Speaker 1: And I get that, Um, I mean I definitely get that.

1536
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 1: But I think for me, my biggest thing is I

1537
01:20:57,120 --> 01:21:01,040
Speaker 1: zero in even harder on my tactic in my plans

1538
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 1: because I know these bucks are on edge more so,

1539
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 1: I think I almost get sharper as the year goes

1540
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:11,120
Speaker 1: on and not lazier, and I think it's a that's

1541
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 1: an opposite for a lot of guys. I think a

1542
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:16,559
Speaker 1: lot of guys in late season are lacking confidence. They're

1543
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:18,559
Speaker 1: just kind of lacks of days ago. They're just kind

1544
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 1: of doing it because they need to do it because

1545
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:22,880
Speaker 1: they still have a buck tag, but they're not really

1546
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 1: wholeheartedly in it. Um, They're just kind of like, well, yeah,

1547
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:31,439
Speaker 1: I hunted. Uh, you know, I didn't really have a plan. Um,

1548
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure what the wind was doing, but yeah,

1549
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:37,799
Speaker 1: I was out there, I was trying. I am very, very,

1550
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:41,880
Speaker 1: very calculated, and I'm I'm probably more calculated then than

1551
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:45,400
Speaker 1: I am any other time of the season, and me

1552
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:50,559
Speaker 1: getting floppy in my younger years cost me late season,

1553
01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:55,360
Speaker 1: big deer. Um, there's nothing worse than sitting three or

1554
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:59,519
Speaker 1: four hours on a fifteen degree day only two have

1555
01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:03,680
Speaker 1: a wind you because you got sloppy and didn't adjust

1556
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:06,160
Speaker 1: your set up for that wind that day and said,

1557
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:07,960
Speaker 1: as screw, and I'm just gonna hunt the stand it's

1558
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 1: already there. I don't want to climb, I don't want

1559
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:12,599
Speaker 1: to do a hanging bang or a mobile type hunt tonight.

1560
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:15,000
Speaker 1: I just don't feel like it. Buck comes in at

1561
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:18,800
Speaker 1: seventy yards and wins you. I mean that's you know

1562
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:23,720
Speaker 1: that happened to me a time or two. And you

1563
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:26,080
Speaker 1: know that kick to the gut was enough for me

1564
01:22:26,120 --> 01:22:28,200
Speaker 1: to be like, Okay, if we're gonna do this late

1565
01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:31,040
Speaker 1: season deal, we're gonna do it with a plan and

1566
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:33,439
Speaker 1: a purpose and we're not cutting corners. And I think

1567
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 1: now for me, I'm honestly more particular and probably more

1568
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:42,599
Speaker 1: calculated then because I know the stakes are higher times

1569
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:45,720
Speaker 1: running out or in the fourth quarter. Um, at this

1570
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:47,719
Speaker 1: point in time, I've got to pin my ears back

1571
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:50,439
Speaker 1: and go. But I've also got to have a plan

1572
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:54,840
Speaker 1: of attack that's almost foolproof. UM. So yeah, for me,

1573
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 1: I I think it's probably my attention to detail is

1574
01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:00,759
Speaker 1: even greater now than it is an the other time.

1575
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:03,720
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people it's the opposite

1576
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:05,439
Speaker 1: of that, And I think that gets a lot of

1577
01:23:05,439 --> 01:23:07,519
Speaker 1: guys in trouble. And like I said, that has got

1578
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:10,800
Speaker 1: me in trouble, and I've learned from that. Um put

1579
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:12,600
Speaker 1: my hand on the hot stove once or twice, and

1580
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I don't like that. It burnt,

1581
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:17,439
Speaker 1: So I don't do that anymore, you know. Yeah, it's

1582
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:19,639
Speaker 1: it's hard though. It is really hard at that time

1583
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:22,000
Speaker 1: of year, that's for sure. All Right, I want I

1584
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:24,360
Speaker 1: want to do one last I got one last scenario

1585
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:27,360
Speaker 1: to run past you, Clint. And this is a this

1586
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 1: is a hypothetical kind of situation. I want to imagine

1587
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:36,599
Speaker 1: yourself in. Let's imagine that for whatever reason, I have

1588
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:39,960
Speaker 1: control over your hunting this year. Will say it, We'll

1589
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 1: say it's next year, and before the season starts, I

1590
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:45,800
Speaker 1: tell you, hey, buddy, sorry, but you can't hunt at

1591
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:49,160
Speaker 1: all this year except for one day. You only get

1592
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:51,960
Speaker 1: one day of this hunting season, and you gotta kill

1593
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:55,200
Speaker 1: You gotta kill a mature buck. And if you don't

1594
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 1: kill a mature buck on this one day, I'm taking

1595
01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:02,519
Speaker 1: away you're hunting license for an ten years, alright, man,

1596
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:09,719
Speaker 1: super super high stakes. And I'm gonna limit your choice

1597
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:12,479
Speaker 1: of days and tell you that you can't pick any

1598
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:16,480
Speaker 1: day before November, the day that this podcast would hypothetically

1599
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:19,639
Speaker 1: come out, So you get to pick one single date

1600
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:22,960
Speaker 1: on the calendar between November and the end of your

1601
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:26,680
Speaker 1: hunting season. I would like to know what date you

1602
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 1: would pick, why you would pick that date, And then

1603
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 1: I would like to hear what you would, you know,

1604
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:39,320
Speaker 1: assuming you pick that day and assuming whatever conditions you want,

1605
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:42,400
Speaker 1: what would be your best set up? If you could

1606
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:44,960
Speaker 1: describe for me the kind of spot you'd want to

1607
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:47,919
Speaker 1: be in, what all all the pieces to this perfect

1608
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:50,040
Speaker 1: late season set up might look like. To try to

1609
01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 1: kill a buck with these very very high stakes, Can

1610
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 1: you walk me through what day and how you do it? Okay,

1611
01:24:57,080 --> 01:25:01,519
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with probably around January a twentieth. I'm

1612
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:04,440
Speaker 1: gonna want so. At this point in the game, muzzleoter

1613
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:08,599
Speaker 1: seasons are over. Shotgun rifle seasons are over. Most guys

1614
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:11,200
Speaker 1: are out of the woods. I've pretty much kind of

1615
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 1: you know, everybody's back to the NFL. We're in the playoffs,

1616
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:17,960
Speaker 1: super Bowl time. College football has done it over with um,

1617
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:21,160
Speaker 1: but the NFL is still rocking and rolling. So people

1618
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:25,640
Speaker 1: still drinking craft beer from Christmas or washing football. UM.

1619
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:30,639
Speaker 1: I'm gonna want cold and snow. Um, cold and snow.

1620
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:33,639
Speaker 1: That time of the year it forces dear to feed,

1621
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:36,120
Speaker 1: forces dear to get on their feet. They're not able

1622
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 1: to sit there and burn calories all day and into

1623
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:42,680
Speaker 1: the night. Um. They want and have a need to

1624
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:45,960
Speaker 1: get up and move and get to food. Sources get

1625
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:49,360
Speaker 1: to feed. So my plan is on this one day,

1626
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 1: I've got cold and snow. Um. At this point, I

1627
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:57,519
Speaker 1: got a buck figured out. I know what wind direction

1628
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 1: he likes. Chances are, um, he's gonna bet on a

1629
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:03,439
Speaker 1: south facing slope somewhere, which is gonna get all the

1630
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:07,200
Speaker 1: sun that keeps him in the sun. Now, what I've

1631
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 1: learned from a lot of these mature bucks are they

1632
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:13,639
Speaker 1: like to move with that sunline, so that deer will

1633
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:15,400
Speaker 1: get up and do a little bit of moving to

1634
01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:17,920
Speaker 1: keep himself in the sun. But he's not working his

1635
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 1: way out to a food source. So I'm knowing that

1636
01:26:21,320 --> 01:26:24,040
Speaker 1: we've got all this cold and snow. Um. He probably

1637
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:26,320
Speaker 1: hasn't been pressured a whole lot here recent because a

1638
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:28,439
Speaker 1: lot of guys have hung it up. They're done hunting.

1639
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:30,880
Speaker 1: Obviously it's the end of season, so he has been

1640
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:33,839
Speaker 1: hunted for months. But I'm gonna go I'm I'm banking

1641
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:36,599
Speaker 1: on I have not pressured this buck. I've I've only

1642
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 1: got one day, so this deer, realistically, he's gotta need

1643
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:43,320
Speaker 1: to feed. I've got the weather in my favor, I've

1644
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:46,559
Speaker 1: got the wind figured out. Um, I've got pinned down

1645
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:49,000
Speaker 1: in the south facing slope that I know he likes

1646
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:54,639
Speaker 1: to bet on. I want to be somewhere probably between

1647
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:59,320
Speaker 1: seventy five and maybe a hundred yards off this hot

1648
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 1: food store, and as this buck works by at about

1649
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:08,840
Speaker 1: twenty five yards quartering away, I'm gonna bend the limbs

1650
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:11,519
Speaker 1: back and I'm gonna crush his soul and I'm gonna

1651
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:20,479
Speaker 1: party the night of the Probably that's my strategy. That's

1652
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:24,840
Speaker 1: my game plan UM for me. I just you know,

1653
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 1: it's tough to be a really really good, cold, snowy,

1654
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 1: late season day if you got it here on a

1655
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:34,880
Speaker 1: pattern and you've got things figured out. I mean, it

1656
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:37,720
Speaker 1: really does stack a lot of chips in your favorite UM.

1657
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 1: Second place would be early season, right off the rip,

1658
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 1: that first week, based off of what summer pattern I

1659
01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:46,759
Speaker 1: have and all the pieces I've put together all summer

1660
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:48,840
Speaker 1: trying to figure a buck out. That would be if

1661
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:51,479
Speaker 1: we had a consolation prize date, it would be like

1662
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:55,640
Speaker 1: September twenty seven, when our Steven opens. Yeah. I like

1663
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:58,559
Speaker 1: the plan. It sounds it's well thought through. I think

1664
01:27:58,560 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 1: you'd be able to pull it off. You'd be a

1665
01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:04,400
Speaker 1: keep on hunting and enjoy those beers. Oh love and

1666
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:07,479
Speaker 1: better than a than a good cold a good cold

1667
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:10,640
Speaker 1: frosty beer after a after an arrow runs through a

1668
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:13,160
Speaker 1: big Buck in January. I've been fortunate enough to have

1669
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:16,519
Speaker 1: a couple of those and it, Uh yeah, those beers

1670
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:18,639
Speaker 1: they just taste a little bit better on those nights.

1671
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, man, I believe it. I believe it, Clint.

1672
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:25,800
Speaker 1: I I appreciate this, man, It's been fun. I'm I'm

1673
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:29,320
Speaker 1: feeling good about my late rut late Hunts coming up

1674
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:32,240
Speaker 1: here now with some new ideas. Um, can you real

1675
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:35,760
Speaker 1: quick give folks the rundown of where they can see

1676
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:37,720
Speaker 1: your work, where they can listen to the podcast, where

1677
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:39,640
Speaker 1: they can find some me or writing anything else you

1678
01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:43,679
Speaker 1: want to plug out? Absolutely, my man. So Um, I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm the host of CEC Hunt Files via Working Class

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Speaker 1: bow Hunter platform. I do a lot of stuff with

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Speaker 1: the gang over there, Kurt and Doug, Eric, Austin Ross,

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Speaker 1: all the guys over there. I've been with them for

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Speaker 1: quite a few years now. Um still still come on

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Speaker 1: the actual original series. Um, they've got the Jury Deer

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Speaker 1: cast Um series. I get on that from time to time,

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Speaker 1: but I've got my own series. It drops every Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: CC Hunt files. Um as far as writing goes, Man,

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Speaker 1: I've been in that game for I think this will

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Speaker 1: be my twelfth year now. I been with Peterson's Ball

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Speaker 1: hunting like full time for going on six years. So

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Speaker 1: that's kind of my home base. Um. Shout out to

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Speaker 1: Christian Burg and and all the guys over there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they take good care of me. They they let me

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Speaker 1: kind of pick and choose what I want to write

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Speaker 1: and kind of I can throw my ideas out. And

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Speaker 1: it's been a long journey. I remember in college I

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Speaker 1: started writing, and um, man, I think I got turned

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Speaker 1: down like sixteen or seventeen times by like the big

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Speaker 1: boys in the industry. And then finally, uh, finally, uh

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Speaker 1: Christian pretty much stead He's like, man, I'm I'm just

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Speaker 1: getting tired of you. Like I'm just gonna give you

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Speaker 1: a shot because you know, once again being a grinder.

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Speaker 1: He's like, man, He's like, you know, we don't really

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Speaker 1: have space for you, but we're gonna give you a go.

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Speaker 1: Um And yeah, it's it's just you know, I'm very

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Speaker 1: thankful for that opportunity and that's blossomed int. I've written

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Speaker 1: for North American Whitetail and Deer and deer Hunting, bow Hunter, Outdoor,

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Speaker 1: live stield, just doing pretty much any of the major

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Speaker 1: ones I've I've been blessed to be in in those,

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Speaker 1: um you know, home base like I said, Peterson's bow Hunting,

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Speaker 1: But I freelanced for a lot of companies and a

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Speaker 1: lot of different publications, so that's been a lot of fun,

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Speaker 1: you know. And uh yeah, man, just just the dad

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Speaker 1: of two that absolutely loves the bow hunt and and

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Speaker 1: loves to share in my trials and tribulations of you know,

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Speaker 1: my my bow hunting season and whatnot. So that's ah,

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Speaker 1: it's me in a nutshell, man. It's it's pretty crazy

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Speaker 1: really to see. Kind of as a kid, my mom

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Speaker 1: and dad always tell the story. You know, I'm five,

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Speaker 1: six years old. I'm at the dinner table. I'm eating

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Speaker 1: pork chops, mashed taters and green beans or something whatever,

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Speaker 1: and I got a Deer and Deer Hunting begazine open

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Speaker 1: and they're like, you gotta put this down, you put away,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna eat, you know. And my mom tells the story.

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Speaker 1: She's like, you know, you were five years old, looked

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Speaker 1: right up at me, mind you I can't read yet

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Speaker 1: at that time, but looked right up at her and

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Speaker 1: my dad and one of these days, you guys are

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Speaker 1: gonna see me in here and they're like, oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I bet, I bet we will, And so yeah, it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Man here here I am. I'm a I'm a blessed man. Um.

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Speaker 1: As far as social goes, Facebook, Point Casper, Instagram, Casper Clint,

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Speaker 1: I run the c C hunt fioed Instagram page so

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Speaker 1: you can catch me there, um and whatnot. But uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can't can't thank you enough for having me on Mark,

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Speaker 1: and can't thank everybody enough for all of your support

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Speaker 1: over the years with my writing, the podcast, social media.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's it's honestly of it has been absolutely

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Speaker 1: positive and great. Um and you know, it's it's just been. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's been a lot of fun to be in this

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Speaker 1: industry and kind of make a living in the hunting

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Speaker 1: the hunting space and the hunting world, and uh, man,

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Speaker 1: it's been great to connect with so many people guys

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Speaker 1: like you and whatnot. That without the industry and social

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Speaker 1: media and different things, I've never connect with. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's uh, it's pretty it's a pretty crazy ride, but

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Speaker 1: it's uh, it's been a fun one and I'm not

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Speaker 1: looking to jump off anytime soon. Yeah, man, it's uh.

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Speaker 1: It is a a super blessed thing we get to do.

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Speaker 1: I'm thankful for it as well. And uh and really

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Speaker 1: thankful for you taking some time to to talk tonight

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Speaker 1: to this is this is this is great. So appreciate

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Speaker 1: you Clinton. Hey, absolutely Mark anytime. We'll I have to

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Speaker 1: get you on the h c C Hunt files here soon.

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Speaker 1: I'll have to cook up off the brainstorm up a

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Speaker 1: good a good topic of conversation. There's quite a few

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Speaker 1: of you and I could dive into. But give me,

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Speaker 1: give me a day or two to brainstorm something up

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Speaker 1: and we'll we'll get you on. Sign me up. I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm up for it for sure, and uh go and

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Speaker 1: shoot a meal there right, all right, man, that's the

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Speaker 1: plan tomorrow. I gotta I got a couple of mile

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Speaker 1: hike in to get to this spot. But I think

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Speaker 1: it's uh man, I'm gonna grind it out for another

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Speaker 1: six days and I think it'll pay off sooner or later.

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Speaker 1: We'll see, all right. I believe in your good luck.

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Speaker 1: All right, And that is it. Thank you for tuning in.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you being a part of this community. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for taking that action, and mentioned at the top

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Speaker 1: of the podcast, thanks for sending those emails to your senators.

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Speaker 1: Let's get this thing done. Let's have a great hunting season.

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Speaker 1: Let's have fun out there. I think when this podcast

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Speaker 1: comes out, it's gonna be right around Thanksgiving, so I

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Speaker 1: hope you're enjoying some good times, some good food with

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Speaker 1: your friends and family. I am thankful for you all.

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Speaker 1: I hope you're thankful for what deer and deer hunting

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Speaker 1: in this deer in the community have brought to you.

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Speaker 1: Let's relish it, let's savor it, and until next time,

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Speaker 1: let's stay wired to hunt.