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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Left Sets podcast.

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Speaker 1: My guest today is Amit Zappa, co trustee of the

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Speaker 1: Zappa Trust. I'm it great to happen. I'm so happy

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Speaker 1: I led your show. Happy to be here, you know,

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Speaker 1: thank you. Okay, what is the Zappa Trust? Uh, it's

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Speaker 1: it's the name that I guess. Um, our family business

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Speaker 1: fell under the mega Ubert description of all things Frank Zappa. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, my my mother passed away a couple of

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Speaker 1: years ago, and you know, my dad passed away, you know,

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Speaker 1: uh over twenty some nine years ago, and everything was

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Speaker 1: put into a trust. And I didn't know much about

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Speaker 1: it until my mother passed away. And and you know,

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Speaker 1: I I got a real education pretty fast on on

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Speaker 1: what happens when you know, when your parents pat when

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Speaker 1: you become an orphan, what happens when your parents pass?

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Speaker 1: And you know, I had to figure out how do

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Speaker 1: you deal with the I R s? And how do

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Speaker 1: you put a price tag on intangibleles? How do you

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Speaker 1: um try to take something that wasn't to be totally honest,

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Speaker 1: very organized, and um you know, turn it into a

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Speaker 1: successful business, uh for everyone in my family. Uh So

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Speaker 1: I mean really, so your father died around that time

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Speaker 1: or just before he licensed all his music went to

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Speaker 1: write go was that a licensing deal? Do you still

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Speaker 1: own all his music? No? Uh, my dad instructed my mother. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is what I want to too. Right. Uh, well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's instructed. They just had lots

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Speaker 1: of conversations my my my mother and father, you know,

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Speaker 1: business partners. My mom was a real pioneer. Um. And

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Speaker 1: you know, the Zappa business wouldn't exist if it wasn't

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Speaker 1: for h the two of them being real scrappy, you know,

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Speaker 1: because Frank financed everything. Um, you know, he got on

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Speaker 1: the road. The money that he would make, he would

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Speaker 1: put right back into projects. He pay all the musicians

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Speaker 1: and uh you know I think, yeah, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if if people know this, but prior to the Reiko question,

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Speaker 1: and I'll tell you what happened, uh, you know with

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Speaker 1: that deal. But you know, my mother was somebody that

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Speaker 1: was like, well, she gets these bills and she sees that,

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Speaker 1: you know, my out of staying at some hotels. And

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Speaker 1: I want to say, he was probably with somebody that

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Speaker 1: must have pissed my mother off, right, And um, you

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Speaker 1: know my dad apparently was a real coxsmith. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's really really laying it down with his man hammer.

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Speaker 1: So she finds out that, you know, he's with some

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Speaker 1: some chick, and think about this, there's four kids. She's

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Speaker 1: at home, you know, running the business, and she gets in,

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Speaker 1: Well she's piste off, but she uh says, whatever he

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Speaker 1: has spent on this whore, right, um, on this lady,

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Speaker 1: on this fan, on this groupie, or you know, I

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Speaker 1: don't know this person's name, there's probably bajillions on them. Uh.

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Speaker 1: My mother's like, I'm going to start a new business.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to invest the same amount of money that

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Speaker 1: he's spending on ladies on something called a mail order business. Right.

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Speaker 1: And she had collected um uh people that were going

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Speaker 1: to the concerts they would they would sign up and

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Speaker 1: what year was just you know this is this is

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Speaker 1: uh probably late seventies or eighties. And you know that

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Speaker 1: it was through her ingenuity, Uh that really the biggest

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Speaker 1: financial successes that my father ever had were directly because

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Speaker 1: of her. You know, she put something out that no

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Speaker 1: one had ever really uh thought of before, something called

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Speaker 1: a buck set. Right. So I want to say that

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Speaker 1: my my mother and father actually um you know, my

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Speaker 1: father gets the credit, but it's really my mother was like, well,

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Speaker 1: let's take all this vinyl that we have, old vinyl,

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Speaker 1: and bundle it and put it into a box and

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Speaker 1: add some other you know, bells and whistles to it,

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Speaker 1: and we put something I'll call the old Masters and

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Speaker 1: in a hundred dollar price tag. You know, this is

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Speaker 1: this is back in the day when they're still record stores.

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Speaker 1: You know. She she put together her own distribution deals

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Speaker 1: and and that really was probably the first time, uh

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Speaker 1: frank the family made millions of dollars. Really, yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you brought up a lot of things. You instantly said

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Speaker 1: your father was not faithful to your mother. Did that

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Speaker 1: cause stress in their relationship? You know, I learned so

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Speaker 1: much of this, Um. You know that some of these

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Speaker 1: details just way later in life. Um, I remember arguments

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Speaker 1: and things. But uh, you know, I just I just

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Speaker 1: and because they didn't really explain it to me. Um,

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Speaker 1: who knows, Maybe it was just them fighting, But I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm certain that my mother and father had and understanding.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was it was it was, um, a

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Speaker 1: very interesting way to grow up. I I I mean

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Speaker 1: I was unaware of any of the other romances. And

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Speaker 1: my father would have had UM. I know he loved

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Speaker 1: our you know, our mother, UM because you know that.

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Speaker 1: I mean they stayed together through through all of it,

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Speaker 1: thick and thin. So UM, it's it's really right around

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Speaker 1: my when when my mother was probably only had a

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Speaker 1: just ask questions, yeah, to to you know, things that

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I ever needed the answers for.

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Speaker 1: But then once you kind of took the lid off,

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Speaker 1: and then the way that she answered certain questions, I

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Speaker 1: was shocked. I mean it's you know, I don't know, um,

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Speaker 1: if you are the kind of person and that if

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Speaker 1: your parents ever talked about hooking up with people like I,

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Speaker 1: I don't You're like, I don't want to know. Um.

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Speaker 1: And but she was pretty forthcoming with like, you know,

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Speaker 1: the the their shared experiences there. You know, it's it

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Speaker 1: was the seventies and they lived it up. And I

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Speaker 1: had no freaking idea if you would have told me, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think if someone would have asked me,

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Speaker 1: do your parents ever have like three ways or do

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Speaker 1: anything like that? I would be like, fuck, no, and

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Speaker 1: I would have been dead wrong. Wow, let me just say,

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Speaker 1: Let me just say that there's you know, you you

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Speaker 1: discover a lot of things when you have to organize, um,

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Speaker 1: a household. Because my mother was also someone who who

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Speaker 1: never threw anything away, and every single thing under the

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Speaker 1: sun and moon was um preserved or uh documented in

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Speaker 1: some capacity. So fuck bro Okay, this is a very

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Speaker 1: interesting thing because your father was a legendary musician with

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Speaker 1: a long career until he was unfortunately cut down with cancer.

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Speaker 1: But when you when your mother died, she was still

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Speaker 1: living up at the top of Laurel Canyon. Right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's right. So did you throw anything out? No, she

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Speaker 1: died and all the stuff was in the house. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it was when I have you ever seen

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Speaker 1: the documentary Grey Gardens? No, you should check it out.

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Speaker 1: When I say my mother didn't throw anything away, there

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Speaker 1: might be newspapers that are just all stacked in one

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Speaker 1: side that was a story my mother kept or thought

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Speaker 1: she irrelevant to your father the famous she was a hoarder. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that there's a method to her madness because she understood

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Speaker 1: same way. I'm a hoarder. I just had to move

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Speaker 1: interested in your story. Well, yeah, there was lots. There

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Speaker 1: But I mean things like stack of newspapers that meant

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Speaker 1: any of that out? I was in a really uh well,

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Speaker 1: my my reality changed the day my mother passed away.

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Speaker 1: That's when I learned that I was a co trustee

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Speaker 1: of the family business, and that actually comes with really

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Speaker 1: huge responsibilities. So she had never discussed that after she

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Speaker 1: no that before, because you got all these talks about

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Speaker 1: her wild and wooly life. She hadn't talked about after

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Speaker 1: she passed because she was sick about you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, give me a co trustee or

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Speaker 1: what now? I mean the I was already working and

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Speaker 1: to well, I have to go back to the recho.

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Speaker 1: So when my dad passed, my dad was like, you know,

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Speaker 1: why don't we sell the Masters keep publishing? And he

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Speaker 1: it's like a fucking horrible business, music business. You know,

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Speaker 1: and that my mother, I think took that to heart.

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Speaker 1: UM sold the then Masters to Raycodisc. But you know,

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Speaker 1: in the process, you know, many years later, um, there's

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Speaker 1: a there's something in the language, uh in the contract.

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Speaker 1: And my my father was really particular about um ah,

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Speaker 1: And that that that was still emerging technologies, you know. UM,

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Speaker 1: you actually don't have those rights. And that became a

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Speaker 1: didn't have the rights. Warners didn't have the rights. And

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Speaker 1: really before my mother's passing at one of her last birthdays, UM,

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Speaker 1: the family was able to actually get all the music back. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so at this point in time, all of those records

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Speaker 1: made a new UM partnership with Universal UM. And that's

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Speaker 1: I supposed to do. Before my mother passed. You know,

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Speaker 1: I you know, she first talk to me personally. It

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Speaker 1: was like, I can't fight for my life and fight

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Speaker 1: my opinion. You know. I did things I think differently

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Speaker 1: and made somewhat of a living um uh. And then

427
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: I started hosting shows with my brother and um we

428
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: played in a band together. And and you know, then

429
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: I went off on my own and really wanted to

430
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: become a storyteller, and I wound up setting up I

431
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: wrote my first book, the UM The Monstrous Memoirs of

432
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: a Mighty Make Fairless. I wound up selling that to

433
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: Disney for a million and a half dollars and selling

434
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: it around the world for millions of dollars. And UH

435
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: set up my production company at Disney, and then started

436
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: a really unique kind of production company where I had

437
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: one foot in consumer products and one foot in the

438
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: motion picture group and worked on a lot of interesting

439
00:28:54,400 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: pieces of technology with imagineering and UM, I really suit

440
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: things that my father or in a lot of cases

441
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: my mother inspired me with stuff that they fantasized about

442
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: that UM stoked the flames of my own imagination. And

443
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: I think because of the access that I had, I

444
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: just learned things from the access I had from being

445
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: a fly on the wall with my dad. UH piqued

446
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: my curiosity, and you know, I learned enough, I guess

447
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: to be dangerous by not going to school and not

448
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: having my creativity ruined and not going to college. You also,

449
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: I've I've just been able to I've only ever had

450
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: jobs in the entertainment industry, and I've i've survived. Okay,

451
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: But you famously hosted a show for a while, right,

452
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: how did that come together? What was that? I've hosted

453
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: thousands of hours of television, shitty, shitty fucking television, and honestly,

454
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: it would give me diarrhea to be so nervous about it.

455
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: I was. I think I was mostly known for uh,

456
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: controlled chaos. You could give me bullet points and say like, okay,

457
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: we need we need to somehow. You need to steer

458
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,239
Speaker 1: this crazy ship that's going down in flame. You need

459
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: to land this plane, right, And that's Those are the

460
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: kinds of jobs that I would get. But when you

461
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: say I hosted some show, I don't know which one

462
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: you're talking about, because there's honestly been a tremendous amount

463
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: of serious you were involved in for a number of years,

464
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: which one bro you know, like, uh, you know, for

465
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: for the for the people that care at all. You

466
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: can see the pilot dog ship that I've been associated with,

467
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: UM And maybe that's a terrible thing to say about

468
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: the shows that I was interested because it paid my

469
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: bills and I had good times, and I was never

470
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: happy doing hosting. UM A lot of those shows, the

471
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: the only the big regret, um, is that I had

472
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: the opportunity. I actually auditioned a couple of times to

473
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: be the host of Let's Make a Deal, and that

474
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: was always my dream job. I love that. I love

475
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: that show. Okay, but you think like that would make

476
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: you happy, would have made you happy. I do like

477
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: the I love sitting down and talking with people, and

478
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: I thought that was a pretty interesting format because it's

479
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: a bunch of crazy crazy is getting dressed up, and

480
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,479
Speaker 1: you know, I love the whole Monty of it all

481
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: where he put his hand in his pocket and be like,

482
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: all right, you can take hundred bugs here, or you

483
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: can find out what's behind door number one or door

484
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: number two. Tell them. I could not I could never

485
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: get enough of that show. That was my favorite of

486
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: the afternoon game shows. Loved and that that's that's like

487
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: my anything that smells like that or feels like that.

488
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: I would totally do that kind of a thing. Again.

489
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: I'm very I'm comfortable in that setting. I like doing

490
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: talk shows. I like sitting down with you because we're

491
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: having a conversation. I feel like there's a real connection. Um.

492
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: But I guess the part that was more stressful is

493
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: sticking to a script. Um is just you know, learning

494
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: the lines to deliver that. This sort of business was.

495
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: It was always pretty stressful. So I'm okay. And in

496
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: this window, somewhere along the line, you married Selma Blair,

497
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: who was a movie star at the time. How did

498
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: that come together? I actually saw her. She was she

499
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: had a boyfriend the time, sitting on some dudes's lap.

500
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: I was at this restaurant called fred Siegel um or

501
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: I forgot the restaurant at fred Siegal. I forgot what.

502
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: I forgot what it's called actually right now. Um, but

503
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: I was with my friend Jules, and she walks in

504
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: and I had seen her in um other cool intention

505
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: or something, and I was like, you know what, like

506
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: I should marry, Like that's that's someone I should marry.

507
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: Rights totally totally random. Uh. And then a few months later,

508
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: a mutual friend I didn't know her at all, but

509
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: a but a mutual friend, um actually introduced us and um,

510
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: you know that was that was that was crazy that

511
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: I got married. I got married and Princess Leah's backyard, right,

512
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: So Carrie Fisher demanded, Yeah, Carrie demanded, you know, like

513
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: you have to get married here and on that particular

514
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: day where she was off meds or I don't know

515
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: what happened to her, but for someone who insisted on

516
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: us getting getting married at her house, she showed up

517
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: and was like, who are all these people? And what

518
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: is going on? Right? Um? And believe me, it wasn't

519
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: a surprise. You. You kind of got to be organized

520
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: if you're gonna, you know, have all that stuff going on.

521
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: So that's you know, that was a pretty funny experience.

522
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: And uh, when we were looking at her house as

523
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: a location, UM, this is so fucking funny to me.

524
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: Hopefully you'll appreciate the story. But we were all in

525
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 1: Carrie's room, my mother Tracy Ullman. This is not mean

526
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: name dropping. I'm just trying to set right. So Carrie Selma,

527
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: my mother, Tracy um and like you know, Carrie would

528
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 1: have people just hang out in her bedroom. I don't know.

529
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: It's so if you if you were friendly with her, um,

530
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: well you know she there's a lot of similarities I

531
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: think in um art appreciation with with Carrie and my mother,

532
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: and they were friendly. My my mom and Carrie, you know,

533
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: I knew each other socially. So we're again we're hanging

534
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: out in her room and everyone leaves, except we're walking

535
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: into her kitchen and I remember seeing I remember seeing

536
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: Tracy's shoes and um, so I was hanging back with

537
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: my mother for for ten seconds. Right. So now it's

538
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: just the two of us walking out of the out

539
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: of the Carrie's bedroom together, um to walk towards the kitchen,

540
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: and I see Tracy's shoes, uh, and it's like she's

541
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: trying to plug in a lamp underneath the piano in

542
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: the living room, right, And I thought it would just

543
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: be really funny to play the Exorcist, you know, play

544
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 1: two tubular bells while season in there. So I decided

545
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: to aggressively play that tune. And then you know, Tracy

546
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: and Carrie uh and Selma come out of the kitchen

547
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: like into the living room. So I'm like, well, who

548
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: the funk is now under the piano and like I'm like, well, funk,

549
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: I'm that's what an assholic thing for me to do.

550
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: And it was Debbie Reynolds, right, her mom, Carrie's mom

551
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: under under the piano, and I'm playing the Exorcist. But

552
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: then Carrie was looking at her mom under the piano

553
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: as I'm playing the Exorcist and it was kind of

554
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 1: like the perfect moment if you've read any of Carrie's autobiography.

555
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: So it turned out to be a pretty hysterical moment

556
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: for Just to be clear, So what you thought were

557
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: Tracy Ullman shoes were ultimately Debbie Reynolds. Yes, what? I

558
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: just what? I I because of the shoes, I just

559
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: assumed it was Tracy under the piano and it turned

560
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: out it was Carrie Fisher's mom. Okay, so how does

561
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: it end with Selma? Uh? Pretty? It was pretty traumatic

562
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: for me. I had to I had to go to

563
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 1: a behavioral list afterwards and tried to understand why I

564
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: had such a bad job of picking, you know, people

565
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: to spend h to get into romantic relationships with. Um it,

566
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: you know, we we ultimately got divorced, and you know

567
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: it's pretty sad. But she's going through now. Do you

568
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: have any contact with her? No? Not really. You know,

569
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 1: of course I wish her and I don't. I don't

570
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: think contact with the X is too much history. No,

571
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: she's she's she's reached out. But it's pretty pretty traumatic

572
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: for me. I mean, what would she leave you? Or? Honestly,

573
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 1: if I'm being really blunt. Um, she might have been

574
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,919
Speaker 1: turned out to be the meanest person I've ever been

575
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: in a relationship with um, because there were she had

576
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: some some personal uh issues, you know, um that you know,

577
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 1: She's had other scenarios. I'm sure people can read about,

578
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: you know, but um, and I really do wish her.

579
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: I wish her well. But for me, I wound. I

580
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: found myself cataloging like how many drinks someone might have,

581
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: you know, and and like becoming very aware of of

582
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: how personalities could change if you know, X, Y or

583
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: Z happens, And it made me a little a little

584
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: cuckoo in having to it was. It was really strange.

585
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 1: If I really reflect on on my life to this,

586
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 1: to this moment, I think, um, my mother and father's

587
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: relationship and the stress it might have caused my mother

588
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 1: in maybe his dalliances with other women, UM, and or

589
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: my mom's up and ups and downs. It was. It

590
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 1: was a pretty harsh reality when I saw a behavioral

591
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: listed and that he was like, well, so basically you

592
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: you married your mother, right, And I was like fuck that.

593
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: I didn't not like fuck you for even saying that,

594
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: what do you mean? You know? And then when I

595
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: started to kind of get underneath what I think. You know,

596
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: he was saying, not only was was I going through,

597
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:23,720
Speaker 1: uh the pain of you know, because I'm a pretty

598
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 1: intentional person. If I say I'm gonna do something, uh

599
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 1: and make a commitment, I that's it really important to

600
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: me and I the failure of the marriage was a

601
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: huge blow to me. You know that that notion. I

602
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 1: never thought it was going to be someone that would

603
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 1: ever get divorced or um uh. I think I just

604
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: swung the toll polar opposite way of of I guess

605
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:51,240
Speaker 1: the relationship that the energy I was feeling from my parents,

606
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: if that makes sense, which I felt the same way.

607
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: You know, I got divorced. My X left me, and

608
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: after you left, I was I never would have divorced her.

609
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: It's like my parents stayed together. My parents flought same thing.

610
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: Really fucked me up. Yeah, it was. It was hard

611
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,919
Speaker 1: to to deal with. But I found myself being a

612
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 1: really harsh critic of of the choices I made. But

613
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: I have to say, uh, and maybe this is just

614
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: bumper stick or wishful thinking. If all roads lead to

615
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: the road that you're on, um uh. That journey of

616
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: self discovery after the fact of you know, why was

617
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: I attracted to say, let's say, like chaos, right, Um?

618
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: It led me to I truly I worship my wife. Okay,

619
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: So how long after you were done with Salma did

620
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: you meet your wife? A couple of years? And how

621
00:40:54,440 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: did you meet her? Um? Through a mutual friend actually, UM.

622
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: And what's interesting is we had probably been in the

623
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 1: same place at the same time, you know, dozens of times,

624
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: and just never you know, laid eyes on one another.

625
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: Not that I'm sur prize, but my wife is because

626
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: it was your wife in the business she she uh yes,

627
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: but for a brief moment of time if you mean

628
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: the business like an actress or something of that, she

629
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: I think, you know, dabbled and then then no, she's

630
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: like funk that noise? Amout. What kind of background did

631
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: she come from? So she grew up in Los Angeles,

632
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: her brother who's who's a great actor. UM and you

633
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: know really my brother as well. You know, I feel

634
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 1: so blessed in that. Really when I married into her family,

635
00:41:54,400 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: very different style of parenting, UM, very different uh um

636
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: support system. You know, I think the environment I was in,

637
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: UM could have been pretty competitive, you know, and and

638
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: her her world is just everyone is, um pretty supportive.

639
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: Um not. That's not to say that, you know, my

640
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,879
Speaker 1: parents were totally supportive, because they were, but it would

641
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: it would be like a whole other shell hours to

642
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,919
Speaker 1: kind of go over why the subtle differences. But they're

643
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: they're there, they are different. Um Uh, how many kids

644
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: do you have? I have two little ones? How old

645
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: are they? Have? An eight year old who will be

646
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: nine in December, and I have three year old. My

647
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: daughter is the oldest and my son is the youngest.

648
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: He just he just turned three. Okay, are you going

649
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 1: to raise them like your parents raise? You're gonna do

650
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 1: a one eight. I don't even put too much thought

651
00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: into it, you know. My philosophy, um is a lot

652
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: of communication. Obviously with my wife, communication is super important.

653
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: But um, I I suppose the thing I'm consciously doing

654
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: different if I'm thinking about my dad is I'm I'm

655
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: more available, you know. And I did this. I put

656
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: the show together called The Bizarre World of Frank Zappa,

657
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: which is this whole multimedia schmorge Bourg of awesome. And

658
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: it was, you know, all my a bunch of my

659
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: dad's band members, people who loved to play with. They

660
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: went out on the road, um and it was this

661
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: you know, fantastic show and will go out again in

662
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 1: the in the near future. But um I I spent

663
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: so much time directing, conceiving of all the visuals and

664
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 1: the storytelling that's associated with the with the music, um

665
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: that when it actually came time to show time and

666
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: I traveled with the tour, and that was the first

667
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,479
Speaker 1: time I've been been away from my kids, I was like, wow,

668
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like living. It was surreal because I

669
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: felt like I was my dad, not not like I

670
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: was him, but like um uh I was um. I

671
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: created a similar dynamic that my father had when he

672
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: was out on the road, where when he would call,

673
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: I had just these fleeting moments that were so meaningful,

674
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: meaningful for me, and all I had was a telephone

675
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: and I would miss him so much, right and and

676
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: think about like when he is he coming home and

677
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: all of this stuff. Um and I was I would wonder,

678
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: you know, was what he is he thinking about his

679
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 1: kids and the family? You know, just thanks to think

680
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: about when you're a kid and then here I am

681
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: as an adult roughly the same kind of age on

682
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: the like you know, the roles have reversed and that

683
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: was a real trip to to to do that. But

684
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: then it's also my dad's music that that's in the show.

685
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: Uh so it was pretty cathartic too. It's on so

686
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 1: many levels it was to to be in that experience

687
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: and meet so many fans of my dad's music. Um,

688
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: it made a huge impact on on me as as

689
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: I understand uh who I am as a father, you know,

690
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: and you know I I they love me, you know

691
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: what I mean. I don't have any kids, but I

692
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: take your word for it. Let's go back. So you

693
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: say you start working with your mother a year about

694
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: a year before she passes on financial batters. I'm a

695
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: little confused the trust you still own the publishing to

696
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: the music. Yeah, so the financial matters are The cost

697
00:45:55,480 --> 00:46:00,919
Speaker 1: of the long legal battle was millions, I mean five

698
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 1: six million dollars some crazy, right, So she was really

699
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,439
Speaker 1: in the hole. And part of the way to get

700
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: the music back was UM when when the when that

701
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: UM deal was struck. Uh, there's you know, payments, right

702
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: and if she was ever to default on the payments,

703
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: then we'd lose the music. So uh, it was a

704
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: pretty hefty price tag because she sold the music for

705
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of money. So then to

706
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: be able to buy the music back to get it back, um,

707
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: you know I would, I'd get a fucking call. Uh,

708
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: She's like I need a million dollars in a month.

709
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: You know, like, ah, what the fuck? I'd have to

710
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,240
Speaker 1: figure that out. Um, and I did that a couple

711
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: of times. Actually, So where do you get the money from?

712
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: You know, I would organized business deals or or make

713
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: new kinds of I'd have to analyze the assets, you know. Um,

714
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: I put in my own money, and you know, I

715
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 1: just I did whatever whatever we could do, UM to

716
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:20,720
Speaker 1: make sure our our business partners were satisfied, and obviously

717
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: try to do the best that we could. UM, with

718
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: a mindful eye on you know, this is this is

719
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 1: my mother's livelihood. It's you know, she lost the man

720
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 1: she loved. And you know, as as as much as

721
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: I think my older brother or older sister, or my

722
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: little sister, or even myself have opinions about what it

723
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 1: could it should have, you know, it was always my

724
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 1: sort of point of view. It's like, it's not my business.

725
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: I didn't make the music. I wasn't I wasn't my

726
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: dad's business. Partner, you know, and so I have had

727
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: no attachment to um, the a, the money or be um.

728
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: You know, it really wasn't something that I wanted to do.

729
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: Let me say it this way. My mother was someone

730
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: like you know, she's she's big, she's a big Democrat

731
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 1: and UM you know she she don't she would donate

732
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: a lot of money to cause us she believed in

733
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: And there was this opportunity to go have a photo

734
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: op with the you know, then president and vice president.

735
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: And she calls me and says, hey, do you want

736
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: to go to this this event? And I say not

737
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: at all. I'm not interested. I'm sure other you know,

738
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure other people would be interested. And she so

739
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: she's like, well, this is why I'm taking you because

740
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: everyone else wants to go. I'm like, well great, I

741
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: really don't want to go. And then it would become

742
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 1: an argument, which is like, well I want to take you.

743
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 1: So you know that I think in a weird way,

744
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: UM in that my being self sufficient or trying to

745
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 1: be fair minded for all of the family members, um,

746
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: which I really genuinely take seriously and I want to

747
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 1: try to do. Uh. I think that that's why I

748
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: woke up with this. Um why she asked me for

749
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: help because she she would all the time, you know,

750
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: like a Okay, just to be clear, your three siblings,

751
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: were they capable of giving help? I'm talking about business insight?

752
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: Were they not that kind of person now that financially

753
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think that they. Um, I don't

754
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: think so. But I mean they might have a different opinion. Um.

755
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: But were they living off the family money or were

756
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: they making their own money? I don't really know to

757
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: the extent all of those details. I mean, they're a

758
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: lot of help given. You know, my brother didn't move

759
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 1: out until he was thirties seven or thirty six or something,

760
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: which to me is just not my lifestyle. You know that.

761
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: I was like, I want my own space. I don't

762
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:17,399
Speaker 1: want to have my bedroom next to my mother's, you know.

763
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: I mean, like that doesn't make a bit of sense,

764
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: you know. But there were some pretty awkward, funny moments, uh,

765
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: you know that I've shared with you know, like when

766
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: when he got married, my mom was like, okay, you're

767
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: you're married now and you need to get out, you know. Uh,

768
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 1: And but you should ask him about you should have

769
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 1: on the show because he's he's a super amazing talented UM.

770
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: You know, a musician, he's a he's a like he's

771
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: a mutant, like my dad was a mutant. You know.

772
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: He does things with his instruments that are he's I mean,

773
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: he's so he's so phenomenal. I wish that for him.

774
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: If he was born like ten years earlier, he would

775
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: have been more popular than Edward Van Halen, you know,

776
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: like he just I think he missed this window. Um.

777
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: And his music style, in my opinion, has just changed

778
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: a lot because he's you know, by by playing Frank's

779
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: music and really studying it. Um. He again, watch him

780
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: play it's it's it's fucking insane. He's he's really amazing. UM.

781
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: And my my older sister inspired me in so many

782
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: ways because she she does a lot of stand up. Um.

783
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 1: She wrote her her first book, and I really thought, like, wow,

784
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: I'd love to be able to achieve, you know, for

785
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 1: someone you know that dropped out of high school, miss

786
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: more than half of years, coolie year and super super

787
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: bad dyslexia. By the way, I have a really weird

788
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: learning disabilities. Um. The idea of of accomplishing what she

789
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: accomplished was so inspiring to me. Um, and and she

790
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: was there for me more than I think my mom

791
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: was too all the time. And I really I was

792
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: really bummed out when she moved out, Like that was

793
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: a huge blow to me. She she moved out I

794
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: think when she was eighteen two, Um, and I was gutted.

795
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: You know, she she's like super mama bear like well,

796
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: was always cooking something, making cy tea and you know

797
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 1: it's uh, you know it's it's it's just so it's

798
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: just a fucking bummer. That's That's what what happens when

799
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: when like family members died, people call birds go insane,

800
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: birds going sane. That's all I can say. Uh, it's

801
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:53,280
Speaker 1: it's just a bummer. Okay, So your mother then dies

802
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: and it's public information that she does not divide the

803
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: estate equally. Yeah, what is the inspira nation for that to?

804
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: What did we are you're were it's going to go

805
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: down that way? And what are the family members reactions

806
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:10,239
Speaker 1: to that? I mean not not great? I mean I

807
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: I think I know why, Um, that decision was made. Uh,

808
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:27,280
Speaker 1: my mother had a life insurance policy that she bought

809
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: after she sold the Masters, and you know some of

810
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: the financing here, I can't speak someone who probably selves

811
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: life insurance policies will kind of know what I'm talking about, UM,

812
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: but I'll try to explain it. So, she prepaid for

813
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: this this this big you know, life insurance policy, and

814
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 1: there's something that, uh, I guess she wasn't aware that

815
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: was in there. Um. And the way that she did

816
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: the policy is that she was under the impression that

817
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 1: she ever needed money, she could borrow against it. But

818
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: there's this thing called a mech that was in there

819
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: that I guess would have had to make her pay

820
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,919
Speaker 1: like a crazy amount on taxes. Right. That was never

821
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: part of um of her understanding. Right. So actually, when

822
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: she needed to uh make some make a payment to

823
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 1: save all the music, um, she reached out to all

824
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: of us kids, and UM, she was like, hey, listen,

825
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,320
Speaker 1: you know I want to try to this is ultimately

826
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: your life insurance policies for you guys, that I did,

827
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: But what's more important to you money or saving the

828
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: family business? And for me it was no question, like,

829
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 1: you know, I think the family is the most important

830
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: and uh, yeah, if you needed whatever you need, you

831
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: should do. Uh. My little sister was the same, and

832
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: my older UM brother and older sister just had a

833
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: different opinion. Um. And I think that I think that

834
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:14,919
Speaker 1: that's a big part of it's a big disappointment because

835
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: it was a lot of arguing that that was going

836
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: on between a lot of stress for me because I

837
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:23,399
Speaker 1: had to I was the person. I had to find

838
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: the money to make these payments, you know, So she

839
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 1: never did cash in the life interests, um, because I

840
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: found I found the resources. Um. But I think that

841
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: the notion of like, well, what's what's more important? You know,

842
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: and all these demands were made not by my my,

843
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: my diva diva or I you know, I think that

844
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 1: just was not a good feeling. But the demands being

845
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: what kind of demands did the other to make? You know,

846
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: you should ask them because you know I already get

847
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: beaten up enough fight, Well, this is your chance to

848
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 1: tell your side of the story. Well, no, I mean,

849
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm not trying to hold anything back, but

850
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: I mean they you should genuinely No, I'm just trying

851
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: to understand before your mother passed, they weren't interested in

852
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: saving the family business, but did they also want to

853
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 1: sell it so they could get the cash? Is that

854
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 1: what it was about? They wanted. Um yeah, I mean

855
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: you'd have to ask them. But the way I interpret

856
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: it is like, well, it was never our money to

857
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: begin with, it was. There's so she's asking us what

858
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 1: to do because the reason why she's asking is we

859
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: would all have to agree, right, So in all of

860
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:51,240
Speaker 1: us agreeing, um, I think revealed I think the future,

861
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:56,800
Speaker 1: you know. And it's of my opinion that in that moment,

862
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 1: if if she was going to put people that will

863
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 1: do what's right for the entirety of the family in place,

864
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: That's how I view it, you know, And that's my

865
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 1: goal is I essentially work for the entire family as

866
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 1: a co trustee. All it means is that someone has

867
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: to have the ultimate authority to say yes or no

868
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: to something. It's that doesn't prohibit you know, I'm not

869
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: going to prohibit anyone in my family from everyone to

870
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: do something that is our mutual legacy. If you will, right,

871
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: we all get the benefit from it. But there's just

872
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's just weird. It's just weird, Okay. Well,

873
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: the famous story is about Dweezl going on the road

874
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: in the issue of his right to be able to

875
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: do that, he made a lot of public statements. What's

876
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: your viewpoint on that? Well, um, I can tell you

877
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: what happened. So uh, he was like, Okay, this is

878
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 1: this is my business. Um and you know, if you

879
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: it's so boring, but you know, think of it from

880
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 1: this perspective. I think in nineteen seventies six, my father

881
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: trademarked Zappa okay and ah, And anytime you get into

882
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 1: new businesses, if it was like a new trademark where

883
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: you for anyone who knows trademark law or has trademarks,

884
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 1: if you're going to be selling T shirts with a

885
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: you know, a name or a phrase on it or whatever,

886
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: there's just different classes. Right. So as a family business,

887
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: we own these marks, right, and I think it's really misleading. Uh.

888
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 1: And a lot of people think that that I tried

889
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 1: to trademark the name, uh, which is no. I. I

890
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,919
Speaker 1: continue to uphold our marks so that we can act,

891
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 1: we protect the legacy which is there, which is my

892
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: older brother and older sister's legacy as well, you know. Um,

893
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: and you know there a lot of that got totally

894
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: blown out of uh proportion, And honestly, really I felt

895
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: like I was really being bullied by my older siblings

896
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: to be if I'm being really honest, and I was

897
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: in the frame of mind that it's not. Um, it's

898
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: really not something I feel like ever really talking about

899
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 1: because I feel like it's nobody's business. It's family business.

900
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 1: But they you know, you can look at statements I've

901
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: made and statements that they've made, and I try to

902
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: keep it as um, you know, as private as possible. Uh.

903
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: And maybe I'm saying way too much. Maybe I'm totally

904
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: contradicting that notion. But at least up until this moment,

905
00:59:53,840 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 1: I really haven't haven't talked. You're asking me, and I am.

906
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 1: It's I feel like no one should air their own

907
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: family business. But I can honestly tell you that, yeah,

908
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: you know, my feelings were totally hurt, and so many

909
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: mean things were have been said and done, and you know,

910
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 1: I would never do anything to hurt my my family members.

911
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: Family to me is the most important thing, period. And UM,

912
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 1: I don't feel entitled to anything. Um. And if you know,

913
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 1: you asked earlier. And I think when people think that

914
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 1: there's a money discrepancy, right, if you really think about it, UM, well,

915
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: at least at least in in my case, there were

916
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: things that even weren't. Uh, that's still needed to like

917
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 1: teas need to be crossed in eyes that needed to

918
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 1: be dotted. Any chance I could um to have everyone

919
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: have more. That's that's every action I took, you know.

920
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 1: But the thing is it's an irrevocable trust, right, and

921
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 1: that means that I can't go against it and they

922
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 1: can't go against it. And so that doesn't make me

923
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: an asshole. It's just like I'm I'm by law. My

924
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 1: I have to follow the rules. You know. Now, if

925
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: people can all unanimously agree on something, maybe things can happen. Right,

926
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 1: but you know so far that you know, at least

927
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: in our family at this moment, you know, things are good. Now.

928
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 1: It took a while to you know, to kind of

929
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 1: you know, all get on the same page. And I

930
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: really choked it up to um, you know, the loss

931
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: of I mean, honestly, there's no one else to complain to.

932
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 1: You know, you are your parents still around, you know

933
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 1: right right? My mother is ninety, almost gonna be nine three.

934
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 1: She's losing it. So but you know, the weird thing is,

935
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: like all I feel, all the issues that that went

936
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 1: maybe unsaid to Frank then got put into my mother

937
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 1: and you want answers, and you know, x y or

938
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: Z and I really really worked on my relationship with

939
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: my mother in terms of forgiveness or you know, I

940
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 1: had nothing left to to worry about, you know, and

941
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 1: I'm not I was never going to change her. And

942
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 1: that's what I learned, which was I want to be

943
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 1: able to have the best relationship that I can. And

944
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 1: you know whose fault is it? And I think I

945
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 1: believe this for any human being. If you know that

946
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:44,479
Speaker 1: you have issues with certain people, but you you keep

947
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: going back into you know, having issues, UM, be smarter

948
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:53,439
Speaker 1: about it, you know, have you think of it, think

949
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 1: of it in a different way, make make the try

950
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 1: to do the best you can. You know that. That's

951
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 1: that's I try to be pretty passive, you know. So

952
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 1: your brother was on the road and news would say

953
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 1: you wanted a license for use of the name. He

954
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 1: always had a license, I mean the whole. So what

955
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 1: happened was I came up with this idea too. I

956
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: called my brother and well I met with um you'll

957
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 1: probably know who he is, uh, Bob Dylan's tour manager,

958
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 1: and the this this other guy named Danny Heaps, and

959
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 1: I floated this notion of um going back and going

960
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 1: out on the road, uh and playing Frank's music so

961
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 1: that you know, new new people could discover the music.

962
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 1: This years ago and I was like, I'll you know,

963
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 1: I'll call in and you know, see if my my

964
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: brother might want to do it with me, because I

965
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 1: after my dad passed, I really had an estranged relationship,

966
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 1: UM with my brother. We started, I mean, we we

967
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 1: did so much work together and you know, um, I

968
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 1: don't know, it's just it's still kind of a mystery

969
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 1: to me to this day. Um around it just feelings

970
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 1: and things after after my father passed. But um, so

971
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 1: I wanted to create this opportunity to say, like, hey,

972
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: we haven't played music together in a while, why don't

973
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 1: we try to help out, you know, the family business

974
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 1: and do this you know thing called Tappa plays Appa.

975
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 1: So when I called him, um, he was like, you know,

976
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 1: I'll just do that, you know, on my own, or

977
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: or that won't ever happen. You know, that's not real.

978
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: Now I'd already contacted, uh, the the people that my

979
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 1: dad worked with that you know, when for those of

980
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 1: you who don't know, if you're you know, you have

981
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 1: a band, you might talk with the booking agent. They uh,

982
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 1: we'll tell you how much you can get for you know,

983
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 1: advance on the shows and all of that stuff. So

984
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 1: so I've done all the legwork. So I basically came

985
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 1: with a you know, Turkey operation, and um, I said, look,

986
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 1: there's this is just already in in play. Why don't

987
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 1: you know come to a meeting, come, you know? He

988
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 1: just he didn't believe it, right, So we all sit

989
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 1: down and we have a we have a meeting, and

990
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 1: it's like it's very real, and I'm like, all right, well,

991
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 1: now it's time to go and talk with arm you know,

992
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 1: with Gail and try to get this going. And the

993
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 1: way that it was ultimately organized was, so, if it's

994
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 1: going to be Zappa plays Zappa, my mother her feelings were,

995
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 1: is that fair to Diva and Moon? So she was like,

996
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to create this entity called Zappa plays Zappa

997
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 1: that anyone named Zappa, right, it's uniquely, it's just unique

998
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 1: for the family that should anyone ever want to do

999
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 1: anything with Frank's music, this is the entity, right, and

1000
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 1: so cool, Well, I'm down with that. And then my mother,

1001
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 1: my brother, myself we went on a world tour to

1002
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 1: promote around the world that this is this is what

1003
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 1: we were doing, and um it, you know, we were

1004
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 1: we were all moving forward and and then I just

1005
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 1: got into this scenario where you know, my my mother

1006
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 1: and and my brother and you know, people's emotions and

1007
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 1: things that you know, And certainly when it came to money,

1008
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, guys, you'd keep it

1009
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 1: all because I've always kind of been there. It's not

1010
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 1: about the money for me, you know. And I helped

1011
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 1: whenever I could. I mean, I put the whole fucking

1012
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 1: show together, you know, conceived of having Frank play in

1013
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 1: the background where de Weesela was playing guitar, and you know,

1014
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:00,120
Speaker 1: so it's kind of weird when when I'm trying to

1015
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 1: put the bizarre world of Frank's APPA together, you know,

1016
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 1: it's it's strange to me with people who really don't

1017
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 1: know right when they have like pushback of like, oh,

1018
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 1: you know, like having video of Frank and playing with

1019
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 1: the band, you know, that's a cash grab. It's the

1020
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:21,360
Speaker 1: same thing they said about Tweeesel and and me and

1021
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 1: Gail when we first announced it, and the same thing

1022
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 1: that they felt when there's a video of Frank in

1023
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 1: the background with you know, uh tweel playing. He had

1024
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 1: to defend all that stuff all day long, and then

1025
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 1: it just you know, people can read about now who

1026
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 1: who's the biggest person who's like, you know, the negative

1027
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:43,959
Speaker 1: about it. You know, let's get to the specific story

1028
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 1: where he was gonna go on the road Zappa plays Appa,

1029
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 1: and there was some disagreement between him and you. He

1030
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 1: he said he wasn't gonna be able to use the name.

1031
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:57,959
Speaker 1: I know, I said, just pay a dollar for the license. Yeah,

1032
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:02,440
Speaker 1: a dollar. Here's the reason. Okay, when you pay a

1033
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:08,440
Speaker 1: dollar for the license, it protects the name and the entity.

1034
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 1: So there's so much that the understanding to try to

1035
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: get underneath it of how it protects the global entity

1036
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 1: of the concept, which is it's for all of the kids, right.

1037
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 1: That is not something that I guess, you know, that's

1038
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 1: not his philosophy. And look, you can say like it's

1039
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:31,640
Speaker 1: just a dollar, you know, and and when you go

1040
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 1: out and play, it protects the trademark and a license

1041
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 1: on a global scale, Like you are the only person

1042
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:41,600
Speaker 1: you know out there in the world who if we

1043
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: want to protect trademarks and all of those things, which

1044
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 1: he was what he did when my mother was alive.

1045
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 1: It's not like something it was. It's not like a

1046
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 1: new concept right on every a poster, you know, for

1047
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 1: his Apple plays app. But all of that information is there.

1048
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 1: It's not like some like, wait, all of a sudden,

1049
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 1: you want to do this now, it's nothing changed. In fact,

1050
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 1: instead of paying a lot of money for that license,

1051
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:06,679
Speaker 1: it was a dollar. That's That's the thing that when

1052
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 1: when I became a co trustee, I was like, all right,

1053
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 1: fucking it's just a buck, you know. But okay, And

1054
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 1: the lore is that Moon was aligned with him. What's

1055
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 1: her problem with the with your operation of the trust?

1056
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 1: I personally think it's just that they're not the co trustees,

1057
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 1: you know. But but I'll say all day long, it's

1058
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's a title, So like, go make

1059
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 1: up your own title, fucking do whatever the funk you

1060
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:40,640
Speaker 1: want to do. How much of it is not a

1061
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 1: not a lot of it actually, you know, to the

1062
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:47,800
Speaker 1: extent that things that were kind of left um uh,

1063
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 1: like the publishing is kind of it's it's really not that.

1064
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, the the percentages at the end of

1065
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 1: the day are are not even quite that anymore. That's

1066
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 1: what I was referring to earlier to the extent that

1067
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 1: I could make more benefit for everyone things that weren't

1068
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 1: inside the um inside the trust. It's I'm not trying

1069
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:20,759
Speaker 1: to be vague. It's it's like the granular minutia of like, oh, fuck,

1070
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:24,639
Speaker 1: my mom didn't do this contract right, or this needs

1071
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 1: to be done because we have a deal with this

1072
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:29,760
Speaker 1: partner or X, Y or Z. As as much as

1073
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:32,639
Speaker 1: I could be like this is the easiest way that

1074
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 1: doesn't go against the trust, that everyone gets more, right,

1075
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:38,599
Speaker 1: every chance I've been able to do that. I've done

1076
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 1: that every single time. Okay, Now, when we talked previously

1077
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 1: said when you took over the trust, there really wasn't

1078
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,799
Speaker 1: any money coming in, not a dime. Was five million

1079
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 1: dollars in the hole. That's not the case anymore. Okay.

1080
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 1: The five million dollars were those payments to purchase uh

1081
01:10:55,560 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 1: the assets. Oh there's there's a meal in different you know,

1082
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 1: things that were uncovered in legal bills and just tons

1083
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 1: of stuff. It's just and that's not the case since

1084
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:12,759
Speaker 1: you since you've taken over the operation, you have gotten

1085
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 1: rid of the debt. No debt, Okay, how much income

1086
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 1: you know, I don't need a specific dollar for you,

1087
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 1: which wouldn't tell me. Is it enough for all four

1088
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 1: of you to live on? Um? Yeah, considerable amount of money. No,

1089
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 1: I think people may have a very expensive lifestyles. Uh,

1090
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. I can't tell you, but yes,

1091
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 1: to up to two people in the world, yes, you

1092
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:42,679
Speaker 1: could make a lot of money. Can you sell the assets?

1093
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 1: And are your siblings talking about doing that or want

1094
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 1: that to happen? Well, they wouldn't. They wouldn't be able

1095
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 1: to do that. Um. I mean we can talk about,

1096
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 1: you know, those kinds of things, but as the co

1097
01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 1: trustees that that's I think that that's the psychological rub,

1098
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:04,680
Speaker 1: which is, you know, at the end of the day, Um,

1099
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:08,880
Speaker 1: it doesn't take it's it's not everyone's signature on something,

1100
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 1: you know. Um. But what I say to them, which

1101
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 1: I've always said to them, is like, well, anything that

1102
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 1: you want to do, right, let's do it. You know.

1103
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 1: So like all you gonna do is literally anything that

1104
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 1: you want to do as long as it doesn't contradict

1105
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 1: obviously like a contract with a partner or something like

1106
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 1: that's you know, we're not gonna be cavalier and and uh,

1107
01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 1: you know again Negate something for someone else. But we

1108
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:38,200
Speaker 1: have the best benefit. I mean, we're the we're it's

1109
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:43,600
Speaker 1: our business. So I can make the the most favorable

1110
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:47,760
Speaker 1: scenario for every single one in the family happen as

1111
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 1: long as it's the exact same scenario for everyone. So

1112
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:57,000
Speaker 1: the benefit I get is the same benefit that Dweeesel gets,

1113
01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 1: the same benefit that Moon gets. There's not some magic.

1114
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 1: There's not some discrepancy, right. That's that's where like I

1115
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 1: sometimes think back and like what is the real argument

1116
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 1: over what what was anyone getting all their you know,

1117
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:15,519
Speaker 1: pennies in a twist over when it is you know

1118
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 1: um As an example, if you decided to make a

1119
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 1: documentary film, right and you're the director, we don't get

1120
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 1: your directing fee, I understanding, you know what I mean, Like,

1121
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:30,640
Speaker 1: if you're gonna do actual business, the estate gets what

1122
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 1: the estate gets. But if you decided, like my brother

1123
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 1: is going out there and he's you know, playing the music,

1124
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 1: I was like paying pay a dollar to keep all

1125
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 1: the money from the ticket sales, you know, right, Like

1126
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 1: you know here, that's that is it? Right? That? That

1127
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 1: was literally the deal. The discrepancy was, well, you know,

1128
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:55,720
Speaker 1: there's merch. What merch is sold at the show, and

1129
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:58,719
Speaker 1: what does everyone get? Like, well, the trust spells out

1130
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:01,640
Speaker 1: what people get that can't be changed. So there's two

1131
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 1: ways to do it. You can either buy it all

1132
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:06,800
Speaker 1: right and then sell it whatever price you want, or

1133
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:09,680
Speaker 1: which is which is a way to do it? Like

1134
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:13,719
Speaker 1: buy it at like fucking rock bottom prices right because

1135
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 1: it costs money to manufacture it, you know, but even

1136
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 1: a viig that would go to the trust is paying yourself, right,

1137
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:23,720
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Like the madness of

1138
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 1: all of that. So I'm like, there's this is not

1139
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 1: some um, it's not rocket science. This this kind of

1140
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:34,800
Speaker 1: business happens all day, every day with people. You know. Yeah,

1141
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 1: it totally makes sense. So what's your relationship with Moon

1142
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:41,640
Speaker 1: and do Easel today? It's it's better, It's it's you know,

1143
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 1: like my sister actually emailed me today over something pretty

1144
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:50,679
Speaker 1: um horrific. Uh that was you know, I'm not gonna

1145
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 1: get into but I'm like, oh, that's it was like

1146
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:56,760
Speaker 1: that's bananas, you know, like, you know, I let me

1147
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:59,599
Speaker 1: know if you need anything. You know, it's scary, Uh,

1148
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 1: since you Sagan um And and my brother used out

1149
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 1: on the road. He's you know, he he and I

1150
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 1: took took a it was a much longer journey to

1151
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:15,639
Speaker 1: kind of get back to you know, uh a working

1152
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 1: you know scenario. But I mean he's I don't think

1153
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:23,879
Speaker 1: he's He's like my dad. He never stops. He's always working,

1154
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:29,080
Speaker 1: he's always playing music. So even just scheduling things or

1155
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:31,320
Speaker 1: you know, we we just we have to do a

1156
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:33,559
Speaker 1: better job. I think all of us in the family.

1157
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 1: It's it's all the communication. And I'm pretty cautious. So

1158
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 1: when I'm like, all right, if if you you know,

1159
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:45,760
Speaker 1: and there and they want information, right, so I give

1160
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 1: them as like it's really simple. I'm like, okay, here's

1161
01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:51,360
Speaker 1: what we'll do. Anything that happens, we basically send out

1162
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:54,320
Speaker 1: like our internal like here's all the things that happened

1163
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 1: with the business. You guys are all, you know, all

1164
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:58,200
Speaker 1: on the same page. This is all the exciting things

1165
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:01,799
Speaker 1: are happening that everyone's in to know, right, But literally

1166
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 1: no one ever calls, no, no one ever calls, like

1167
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 1: you give them all the information, right and like anything

1168
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 1: you want to do right, just I've they've never called, okay,

1169
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:13,719
Speaker 1: switching gear, so what are you doing to enhance the brand?

1170
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, drive revenue up. Well, Um, first

1171
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:25,759
Speaker 1: and foremost, uh, the musical content, right. I think the fans,

1172
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:30,599
Speaker 1: you know, love the music, and I think I think

1173
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:33,719
Speaker 1: that people are seeing the difference between the projects that

1174
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:36,720
Speaker 1: my mother has done and then the projects that I've

1175
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 1: put out. I think people are really enjoying them. I

1176
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:42,840
Speaker 1: brought you some, right, So how many projects if you

1177
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 1: release since you're in control? Oh I should I should

1178
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 1: know that, but I don't. Um, maybe twelve, you know,

1179
01:16:55,439 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 1: but they've been pretty substantial. Um, So you're putting out

1180
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 1: physical product the hardcore fans by it, you're doing the

1181
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 1: show on the show. We'll get back to that. Any

1182
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 1: other ideas that you're contemplating rev done? You know, I'm

1183
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:19,720
Speaker 1: I have been speaking about, um, you know, we can

1184
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 1: approach to do a biopic and my mother really kind

1185
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 1: of started that and she had some pretty amazing friends,

1186
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 1: great like really amazing filmmakers. UM. So that's more like

1187
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:36,600
Speaker 1: a I think a waiting game because some of the

1188
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 1: people are are extraordinary, Yeah, that have expressed interests and

1189
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 1: that I think would be UM cool. So tell us

1190
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 1: about the road show, the Hologram show. It's a it's

1191
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 1: a visual smart sport of awesome bro. It is a

1192
01:17:56,280 --> 01:18:02,479
Speaker 1: a unique UM visual experience. You know, for me, I

1193
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:05,639
Speaker 1: think it blurs the lines between cinema and a live concert.

1194
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 1: Because to to do what we we did, I selected

1195
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 1: and isolated never before heard UM recordings from a rehearsal

1196
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:21,080
Speaker 1: that my dad had in the seventies. That's kind of

1197
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:24,519
Speaker 1: like the long haired like early seventies. That's kind of

1198
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 1: how I always see him in my mind's eye. UM.

1199
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:32,520
Speaker 1: And I was wanted to, I think, have this seventies

1200
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:38,560
Speaker 1: vibe to the show. UM. So after listening to the

1201
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 1: audio and and some really great song choices and some

1202
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:47,160
Speaker 1: great performances. UM, then I started to work in earnest

1203
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 1: in conceiving of the storytelling all of the visuals. So

1204
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 1: I directed the entire show. You know, I produced the show. UM.

1205
01:18:56,960 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 1: I'm grateful to the company Illusion because it's you know,

1206
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:02,639
Speaker 1: they put up all the money. UM, and I really

1207
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 1: got to I had a really good time, um, you

1208
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 1: know doing it. And and I designed the stage you

1209
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:14,040
Speaker 1: know of how it works. And some of the early

1210
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 1: UM development I did on on some pretty fun projects

1211
01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 1: that never quite saw the light of day. But some

1212
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 1: interesting experimentation I did at Disney I brought into Um.

1213
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:32,240
Speaker 1: You know some of the way that the the the

1214
01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 1: people that experienced the show, the holographic projection unit. And

1215
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:41,559
Speaker 1: I say holographic projection unit lightly because it's not truly

1216
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:44,800
Speaker 1: it's not a true hologram, but people people like to

1217
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 1: describe it that way. UM, but you know, it gives

1218
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 1: you a sense of volumetric projection. You know that that

1219
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:55,320
Speaker 1: when you have a photo real asset um, like the

1220
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 1: photo real version of my dad, Um, you know, it

1221
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 1: looks like he's really on stage. And the way that

1222
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 1: the system that we deployed um sits higher than the stage.

1223
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:17,760
Speaker 1: So I created uh um monitors underneath the the the

1224
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 1: quote unquote holographic projection system, which then elevated the band

1225
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:27,800
Speaker 1: so that it gives the appearance it's almost like having

1226
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:29,840
Speaker 1: a stage on top of the stage, so that the

1227
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:32,759
Speaker 1: band is on the same plane of existence as Frank.

1228
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:37,519
Speaker 1: And then I surround this magic box that we can have,

1229
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:40,800
Speaker 1: you know, a photo rel franc appear on stage. I

1230
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:44,960
Speaker 1: surrounded all of that with all of these other monitors, right.

1231
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 1: So the trick of the show, and I think that

1232
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 1: if you know, I go see a ton of concerts

1233
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:56,719
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm frustrated a lot of the time where um,

1234
01:20:56,800 --> 01:21:00,800
Speaker 1: the visuals are kind of on repeat, right you might see,

1235
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:02,920
Speaker 1: you know, like I went to Guns and Roses. I

1236
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:05,360
Speaker 1: love the show, but I noticed that it's the same

1237
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 1: skull and Roses, you know, going around a hundred and

1238
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:14,640
Speaker 1: fifty billion times. UM. So the benefit actually of the

1239
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 1: fact that we have uh, Frank's vocals and his guitarist

1240
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 1: to a click track meant that all of the visuals

1241
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:26,360
Speaker 1: can be done in time. So the the storytelling narrative

1242
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:31,679
Speaker 1: happens um across all of the screens, which was a

1243
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:35,160
Speaker 1: whole fucking clusterfuck to figure out how to fire the

1244
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:38,559
Speaker 1: video in sync with the band, and then because it's

1245
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 1: a live band, making up all the you know, doing

1246
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:44,080
Speaker 1: all of the other parts, you know, other than Frank's

1247
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:47,000
Speaker 1: vocals or maybe some sound effects that we might have

1248
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:52,320
Speaker 1: had as that relate to what you see. Um. But

1249
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:55,400
Speaker 1: even Ed Man was you know, he's he made so

1250
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:58,640
Speaker 1: many great sounds that plused the experience. Um, you know,

1251
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 1: live every night. So you go on this journey. The

1252
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 1: the the story I wanted to tell was um from

1253
01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 1: my childhood, teenage mind. UM, my dad introduced me to

1254
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:16,280
Speaker 1: Marvel Comics. He was one of the first people to

1255
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:21,479
Speaker 1: advertise in comics for music, and or he might be

1256
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 1: the only person who ever did it for all I know,

1257
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 1: but um, he Jack Kirby and my dad were friends,

1258
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 1: and I have all these awesome memories of like hanging

1259
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:33,920
Speaker 1: out with Jack fucking Kirby and my dad and listening

1260
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 1: to Jack talk about how he thought, um, George Lucas

1261
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:41,360
Speaker 1: ripped him off with Star Wars because really Darth Vader

1262
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:44,320
Speaker 1: is Doctor Doom and kind of went through all the

1263
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:46,720
Speaker 1: other characters that were the archetypes that he thought for

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Speaker 1: Star Wars, and I was like, Oh, my god, fucking

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Speaker 1: you beads conversation ever nerded at And uh so my

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Speaker 1: dad really, my mother and father really loved Nora and Red,

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Speaker 1: you know, the silver Surfer from the Planet's end locked

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Speaker 1: um and the Power Cosmic and uh when my dad passed,

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Speaker 1: we were all together as a family, and I I

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Speaker 1: just really remembered the the Power Cosmic because the light

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Speaker 1: in the room and I just felt like, there's like

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Speaker 1: this light that left the room and escaped. And this

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Speaker 1: the narrative I've held with me since his passing is

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Speaker 1: that he kind of went full power Cosmic and went

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Speaker 1: you know, he's now touring the cosmic us, right, and

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Speaker 1: that that thing that I that I gave myself, UM,

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Speaker 1: that story that I've had in my brain for so long,

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Speaker 1: that was the starting point for for how I was

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Speaker 1: thinking about the journey that the audience would go on.

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Speaker 1: So really the opening of the show is Frank harnessing

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Speaker 1: as much of of this power to um journey back

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Speaker 1: to us for this wonderful night of music. UM and

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Speaker 1: he you know, so it's like it's it's the cosmos

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Speaker 1: and the giant star star filled Frank head, you know, massive,

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Speaker 1: and then it all coalesced into this one bright ball

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Speaker 1: of light that you know, blast the audience and when

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Speaker 1: you're you know you open your eyes again, there is

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Speaker 1: Frank holographically, you know, on stage, just fucking crushing the

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Speaker 1: solo for Cosmic Debris UM. And then I wanted to

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Speaker 1: make sure that from song to song you're never seeing

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Speaker 1: the same experience, so you just it's it's all rooted

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Speaker 1: in UM things, animation styles or films styles that my

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Speaker 1: dad loved, or conversations I had with him. All of

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Speaker 1: that became the nutrients that went into the storytelling. That

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Speaker 1: that's the that's the show I grew out of memories

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Speaker 1: and and really fond recollections, uh that I had with

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Speaker 1: my dad. And you know, he loved Terry Gilliam. He

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Speaker 1: loved the art style of you know, Monty Python. So

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Speaker 1: for Stinkfoot, you know, we we went um searching for

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Speaker 1: thousands and thousands of postcards that we could that we

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Speaker 1: chopped up to kind of get to to emulate that

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Speaker 1: style of animation. Um, and it's it's that song became

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Speaker 1: this biological attack, this evil stinkfoot, you know, force of

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Speaker 1: nature that first takes over Havana and and you know

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Speaker 1: then spreads to the rest of the world. So it's

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Speaker 1: quite a show. But in any event, you've been listening

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Speaker 1: to Ahmed Zappa. This is the source on all things

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Speaker 1: Zappa Co. Trustee of the Zappa Trust. Ahmed, You're obviously

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Speaker 1: creative man. A lot of synaps is firing. Thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for being on the podcast. Thank you, thank you

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Speaker 1: for having me. Let's do it again sometime, you bet.

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Speaker 1: Until next time. This is Bob left Slas