Speaker 1: Welcome to the official JEZZ podcast powered by Amazon Web Services.
Speaker 1: Ethan Greenberg, Eric Allen, joined by Anthony Becked here in Indianapolis.
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on the pot. Yeah, man, this is great.
Speaker 1: It's good to see you guys. Guy like kind of
Speaker 1: a mini radio radio is that what they're calling him? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so this is good. I see all the teams here
Speaker 1: and like radio rectangle radio fenced in area, and you
Speaker 1: guys look like the most active table, which is always good. Thanks,
Speaker 1: hard working team in the NFL. I'm sorry I apologized
Speaker 1: I rushed you guys back from your lunch. Four stars Listen.
Speaker 1: I have to say that I was here right, you
Speaker 1: were here rady to go. You skip lunch to do
Speaker 1: extra work? Well, Ethan, yeah, actually it was Chick fil A.
Speaker 1: But okay, I a more serious no, what are you
Speaker 1: doing here at the COMMA? Yeah? So last week, um,
Speaker 1: you know Tracy Pelmin part of the NFL Legends. They
Speaker 1: have a bunch of their players coming into Men Tour,
Speaker 1: the positions for each group that that that's attending here
Speaker 1: from the universe, the different college kids. So they asked
Speaker 1: me if I wanted to represent the tight End group
Speaker 1: and I was like absolutely, I mean, this is fantastic.
Speaker 1: So basically what that entails for me is came to
Speaker 1: town and uh, I basically am in every meeting, I'm
Speaker 1: walking with him, I'm eating with every tight end the
Speaker 1: tight end group for this for this year's NFL draft. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's myself, and there's um a national scout that's with
Speaker 1: them that kind of runs the group, uh, Chris Prescott
Speaker 1: from the Chicago Bears, and then there's two other he
Speaker 1: is okay, you remember good, Yeah, And then there's two
Speaker 1: other scouts from two other teams that kind of help out,
Speaker 1: and then there's me. So I just kind of blend in,
Speaker 1: you know, and just kind of give them any kind
Speaker 1: of mentorship advice. UM. I tried to sit down with
Speaker 1: each one of the kids and talk to them and
Speaker 1: just pick their brain. I've seen about there's twenty of
Speaker 1: them here. I've seen about uh fit of teen of
Speaker 1: them live, you know, calling games in college football. I
Speaker 1: know their game. I studied them. And then there's some
Speaker 1: guys like places like Dayton and Portland's State that you know,
Speaker 1: people don't know. And I can't get that film unless
Speaker 1: you YouTube, and you gotta watch the whole two hours
Speaker 1: instead of the cut ups. So uh, you know, some
Speaker 1: of them went to Senior Bowl, watch their Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: practices and just got caught up on the football side.
Speaker 1: But this is just more kind of given this guidance
Speaker 1: for this window right now, and then, like I was
Speaker 1: telling you off the air, Eric about the first year,
Speaker 1: right just giving them some guidance there. Listen, I told me, like,
Speaker 1: I got twelve years of good things, bad things, you know,
Speaker 1: all kinds of information. And then of course, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: use me as a resource moving forward because they're gonna
Speaker 1: have their agents and all that, but they're not gonna
Speaker 1: know right, they're gonna I don't want these guys to
Speaker 1: to learn on the go. Some things they will and
Speaker 1: that's good. But if anything that I can answer that
Speaker 1: was looking for answers for that I couldn't get, I
Speaker 1: can give that to them. And I think, to me,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a valuable resource to have. So that's
Speaker 1: why I'm here and I hopefully I get to do
Speaker 1: this every year. Did some of the guys recognize Anthony.
Speaker 1: That's a great question. So so you know, look, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm realistic, Okay. I was here twenty years ago to
Speaker 1: the date and uh, you know I have. I had
Speaker 1: met a very few number of these guys when I
Speaker 1: was calling football games. Uh some remember, but but majority
Speaker 1: of them did not know who I was. And I
Speaker 1: didn't hurt my feelings at all. And then as we
Speaker 1: start talking and I let them know my credentials as
Speaker 1: far as what I've gone and and give my little spiel,
Speaker 1: and the the antennis start to go up a little bit,
Speaker 1: and then a couple of them start googling stuff and
Speaker 1: then the next day like, oh, you do that or
Speaker 1: you do this, and then I start reeling off my
Speaker 1: times that I had here, and we'll get into that later.
Speaker 1: But then they really started getting out in and listening
Speaker 1: to me, so, uh, they all know me now, which
Speaker 1: is good, and that's okay. It doesn't hurt my feelings.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, two thousands to two thousand, twenty. Although
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like you know, a big this twenty years,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know it kind of. I went back
Speaker 1: to my room then I was like sat down. I
Speaker 1: was like, wow, I was twenty years ago. So but
Speaker 1: nothing's changed. I think there's only one new drill this year.
Speaker 1: It's a fade catch. Other than that's been exactly the
Speaker 1: same since I was doing it and before then. So, uh,
Speaker 1: to answer your question, no, not too many of them
Speaker 1: knew who I was twenty years ago. Anthony, I want
Speaker 1: I want to go back there for a minute, because
Speaker 1: he hear all these stories about different prospects being asked
Speaker 1: interesting questions per se. Is there one that sticks out
Speaker 1: to you or a couple from from me? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was asked, man, you know, I don't have taken you
Speaker 1: back a little bit. Yeah, you're right, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: but it was such a I had such a kind
Speaker 1: of a clean palette when I came out of school, honestly,
Speaker 1: I mean I had really good grades. You know, I
Speaker 1: wasn't kind of involved in you know, all the other
Speaker 1: riff raff. I didn't get in trouble. You know, I
Speaker 1: kind of saw, uh, you know, the I on the
Speaker 1: prize kind of thing at the end and um. But
Speaker 1: you know, like as I'm looking at the giants, you know,
Speaker 1: they do a big psychological evaluation. You know, it's like
Speaker 1: a three question. I don't know if they still do it.
Speaker 1: I think the guys tell me they did. But you know,
Speaker 1: one of the questions, like, you know, do you prefer
Speaker 1: yourself to be a cat or that. That's what I
Speaker 1: was about to bring up because I saw that on
Speaker 1: Twitter the other day and I'm like, well, how do
Speaker 1: you answer? I'm trying to say, like, okay, well, I'm
Speaker 1: actually as I'm I'm reading and I'm thinking, I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: what are the bad things about each right? Because you know,
Speaker 1: we all know there's a lot of good things that
Speaker 1: I honestly don't. I don't want to offend any of
Speaker 1: the listeners. You know, I don't like cats. I'm just
Speaker 1: not a cat guy, never was, you know, just not
Speaker 1: my cup of tea. You know, I'm not an animal.
Speaker 1: I'm not an animal lover. If it's not my animal
Speaker 1: or my pet, I'm I'm cool this and that, I'll
Speaker 1: pet it. You know. I like puppies, but I don't
Speaker 1: want to own one. So I just went with the dog.
Speaker 1: I just know a lot meaner dogs that are out there,
Speaker 1: and just you know, when you think German shepherd a
Speaker 1: trade one and and Doverman pincher, those are like legit skit,
Speaker 1: you know, you're just like man and they're authoritive dogs.
Speaker 1: I was like, I just put a dog, you know,
Speaker 1: So I don't know if that prevented them from drafting me.
Speaker 1: But you know, it didn't work out with us and them,
Speaker 1: so I ended up being the jet, which is good,
Speaker 1: but that was one of the ones. I remember at
Speaker 1: the top of my head. One of the guys told me,
Speaker 1: you guys never have had a dog. Huh when I
Speaker 1: was one years old, before I could remember, we had
Speaker 1: a dog. And then uh, it was only for a year,
Speaker 1: and then after that, I've never had a I've never
Speaker 1: had a like a four legged pet, which means why
Speaker 1: you have fish or exactly see he picks out you listen,
Speaker 1: at least you're listening to me when I'm talking. I did.
Speaker 1: I've had multiple fish. I've had the fair fishes that
Speaker 1: die a month later, all the time, the goldfish in
Speaker 1: the bag. I tried. I tried to keep those things going.
Speaker 1: One time, I got it for like over a year.
Speaker 1: Not to get off topic, but I was able to
Speaker 1: keep it, you know, going for a year, which was good.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and you know, at the aquarium one year,
Speaker 1: it was like, oh, and I had to have something.
Speaker 1: We had an aquarium. We bought all these fish and
Speaker 1: then eventually we just got you know, well, speaking of cats,
Speaker 1: the jets traded the Big Cat to the New York
Speaker 1: Giants because you just mentioned the Giants and like that.
Speaker 1: That there brings it all full circle math, psychological evaluation.
Speaker 1: If you just have cat in your name, then that's
Speaker 1: where they're going to have an extra. The Jets have
Speaker 1: an extra third round pick, and so four picks in
Speaker 1: the first thirty rounds. We'll have to see if the
Speaker 1: Giants signed Leonard Williams to an extension, because I believe
Speaker 1: that could become the pick could become a fourth round
Speaker 1: pick uh next year as opposed to a fifth round pick.
Speaker 1: That's all based on whether Giants side Leonard Waves to
Speaker 1: an extension. But let's go back twenty years to your
Speaker 1: combine measurements. The glasses are coming on vertical leap for
Speaker 1: Anthony back thirty three point five inches. That was my meteor.
Speaker 1: That's like the median. That was my one thing. And
Speaker 1: as I'm looking at this, this is not correct, but
Speaker 1: the four correct. Dick Haley, long time, long time scalt
Speaker 1: at the Jets. When I ran my forty, he gave
Speaker 1: me my time. He had me down at a four
Speaker 1: six uh eight four six eight is my time. So
Speaker 1: this came from where I don't know where that came from.
Speaker 1: I did not run at the combine line. I ran
Speaker 1: into pro that. So I'm going with the team that
Speaker 1: drafted me and the guy obviously Dick Kelly, if anybody
Speaker 1: knows anything. Yeah, so four six eight at two seventy
Speaker 1: pounds is the legit time that I did that I
Speaker 1: ran that. I'm going with. You know, that's wild. What
Speaker 1: about the twenty yard shuttle four point zero eight seconds accurate? Yes,
Speaker 1: four point eight point point four point zero eight is accurate.
Speaker 1: That is a Now, if you just look over the
Speaker 1: course of time and you look at who those kind
Speaker 1: of times and who's running those, you're talking about elite
Speaker 1: tight ends that are low and weight that you know
Speaker 1: are just super fast freaks. And then a lot of
Speaker 1: receivers are having a hard time hitting four oh eight
Speaker 1: uh in some of their shuttle time. So that time
Speaker 1: twenty years ago would still be and it might be
Speaker 1: the best time only till we'll talk about this in
Speaker 1: another episode. It might be the best time of the
Speaker 1: tight ends this year. I'm going out in the limb
Speaker 1: and the guys that we have here, I don't think
Speaker 1: you'll see any of these tight ends, not that that's
Speaker 1: a bad thing. They're gonna get some times that are
Speaker 1: gonna be good and they're gonna wild team with four
Speaker 1: twos and four and that's that's good for teams, it's
Speaker 1: really good. But the four oh weight will open eyes
Speaker 1: even more in that would be what is it? What
Speaker 1: is the twenty yard shuttle for people who don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's basically, you start in the middle of a
Speaker 1: cone and five yards to your right there's a cone,
Speaker 1: and five yards to the left there's a cone. So
Speaker 1: you start in the middle and you go to the right,
Speaker 1: you touch the cone, then you go all the way
Speaker 1: across to the second cone, which brings you to fifteen yards,
Speaker 1: so five over, ten across, and then run back to
Speaker 1: the middle, which gives you a twenty yard shuttle back
Speaker 1: and forth. And uh, you know when when you're training
Speaker 1: for these things, you know, guys don't I was talking
Speaker 1: a lot. I'm like, oh, how much did you train
Speaker 1: for these drills that we do it once a week
Speaker 1: would be our combine drill stuff. Well, I trained this
Speaker 1: stuff after the Senior Bowl. I did nothing except drills
Speaker 1: for whatever. It was a month. It was a month
Speaker 1: right to the contents about the same time every day
Speaker 1: we did those drills, and we mastered it, and it
Speaker 1: came down the angles, it came down the geometry. I
Speaker 1: promise you none of these kids are talking about those
Speaker 1: were with their trainers. I'm promised you they weren't. But
Speaker 1: there is a specific way to get yourself around and
Speaker 1: then when you start practicing, you get the body lean
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So I knew coming in man,
Speaker 1: and back then you didn't know what the drills were.
Speaker 1: So none of the agents really knew unless you had
Speaker 1: an inn with a scout, and we hired our agency
Speaker 1: hired a scout, so I had all the information. Now
Speaker 1: they know, and it's actually shocking to me. I actually
Speaker 1: watched guys now last year that still don't look like
Speaker 1: they've never run the drill before, which is a shame
Speaker 1: because they should know. But information out there, so you know,
Speaker 1: like the Gauntlet, you see guys around the gaunt, like
Speaker 1: how these guys have run this thing perfect? Guys are
Speaker 1: going in figurate some we'll talk about that, but yeah,
Speaker 1: so that that's the drill. That's what I did, and
Speaker 1: that is honestly, that's an elite and on the big
Speaker 1: pumping my head up you guys know the numbers. That's
Speaker 1: an elite time. Uh, and you'll see receivers that won't
Speaker 1: get that time. So I'm proud of that. For well,
Speaker 1: would you have run that's one of your shuttle in
Speaker 1: right now, right now, more more or less than double
Speaker 1: your best time. Uh. You know what, right now, I
Speaker 1: showed my kid how to do one because he's in
Speaker 1: high school and they have these drills and stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: at these camps that he goes to, and um, you
Speaker 1: know what, I bet you I could I could swing
Speaker 1: uh a low high five probably, I'll tell I don't
Speaker 1: have the flextion, you know. No, Well, still, I mean
Speaker 1: what he's getting those kind of times. I mean that's
Speaker 1: even the biggest sloppiest lineman is getting below a six.
Speaker 1: I'd say, well, I know, but I'm saying, listen, you're
Speaker 1: not a guy works out too much anymore. You still
Speaker 1: could rock. Don't put me on the spotlight. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: had his back with the lunch thing. Now he's coming back.
Speaker 1: I'm not coming I'm just saying, is that that's good
Speaker 1: just waking up and getting in the funnel. You know,
Speaker 1: as I'm around some of these young guys and I
Speaker 1: see some of my some of the coaches and some
Speaker 1: former players that I played with that our coaches and scouts,
Speaker 1: and they're kind of shape and stuff, and I guess
Speaker 1: I gotta star nine stars. What about the bench? You
Speaker 1: didn't bench here? I did not bench. Uh. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. My bench was not one
Speaker 1: of my strong points. And I wanted to maximize the
Speaker 1: time that I could continue to bench and grow. So
Speaker 1: I went into my pro day and did it um
Speaker 1: and uh, I passed on it. I was trying, like
Speaker 1: the industry standard was to get the twenty and I
Speaker 1: couldn't get to that. But I will say this, the
Speaker 1: bench is not being as good as a blocker as
Speaker 1: I was. The bench was not a dictator of you know,
Speaker 1: how well I I benched and you know and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. Yeah I did so I did nineteen times
Speaker 1: in my pro day, which was you know, right right
Speaker 1: about the standard. Some guys will get below that. Some
Speaker 1: you'll see tight ends. Now. I think West co had
Speaker 1: four uh last year, which that's pretty damn strong, you know,
Speaker 1: when you're talking about bench and West Virginia guy, right,
Speaker 1: so uh, not all of us were as strong as him,
Speaker 1: but you know, um uh that that twenty numbers a
Speaker 1: kind of a good standard number to get to it.
Speaker 1: I thought that was close enough. So that's what I
Speaker 1: did at the protest. I have a two part question
Speaker 1: for you. The first is how different are the combine
Speaker 1: drills than just normal football, because you're talking about train
Speaker 1: inning and you know, I'm just gonna use the forty
Speaker 1: yard dash an example because everyone loves the forty it's
Speaker 1: it's such a formula from mechanics from the stands to
Speaker 1: getting out. And then the second part, you mentioned the gauntlet.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know that they're timing the
Speaker 1: gauntlet this year. They're timing it, So I just want
Speaker 1: to engage that. What time is reasonable? I don't know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. I yeah, I don't I don't know.
Speaker 1: Where do you start with that? I don't know. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess you can time it. You know, the guy
Speaker 1: does it right, if he stays in the straight line
Speaker 1: and he catches the thing smooth, that's a good that's
Speaker 1: a good gauntlet. Now you've got to make sure you're
Speaker 1: going full speed and you can kind of tell if
Speaker 1: the guy is. But if there's anything off the center
Speaker 1: of the line. And you know to what a gauntlet
Speaker 1: is if you remember, the guys catch the ball one two,
Speaker 1: and they turn and they run down the line and
Speaker 1: they go left the right. The balls get thrown to
Speaker 1: them by quarterbacks, and then they finish at the end,
Speaker 1: turn up the field and score runder the coach or
Speaker 1: the cone, and that that's a dictator that dictates it
Speaker 1: for me. I mean as far as a time, I'm
Speaker 1: not quite sure what that's gonna mean for me or
Speaker 1: anybody watching it or any scouts. But maybe it sets
Speaker 1: the bar moving forward, don't Don't you think it would
Speaker 1: just make a receiver who might be slow playing it
Speaker 1: think twice about running let's say, as opposed to running
Speaker 1: faster psychologically, Yeah, I would say that would help. I mean,
Speaker 1: if they're telling me it was time, then I would
Speaker 1: want to have the best time. Then I would want
Speaker 1: to go, you know, faster. So that hopefully gets everybody
Speaker 1: just going full speed, which is important because that's a
Speaker 1: part of it. Being able to control your body at
Speaker 1: the fastest speed when the ball is coming at you.
Speaker 1: It's not the easiest thing to do, you know, so uh,
Speaker 1: you know that that will dictate a bunch. But I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: that'll be uh, that'll be interesting. But I go, on,
Speaker 1: that's a good drill. I can usually tell if guy's
Speaker 1: gonna be a good pro or not just off that
Speaker 1: drill by the wrong thing to assess, because guys can
Speaker 1: always get better. But the fact that you've been able
Speaker 1: to train for this and not do it right is
Speaker 1: you know that that kind of bombs You mentioned Mr
Speaker 1: Hayley before. Um did you meet with the Jets at
Speaker 1: the combine? Um? I did not know. Yeah, And you know,
Speaker 1: it's funny because these guys, they have their meetings all week,
Speaker 1: so they'll sit in the middle. They'll talk to different teams,
Speaker 1: and then they'll also have formal meetings with other uh
Speaker 1: NFL teams with like the GM and the head coach,
Speaker 1: and some guys kind of sit around and they feel
Speaker 1: like they're not getting called upon or or I have
Speaker 1: many meetings to go to. And I said, don't worry
Speaker 1: about that. I said, the team that drafted me didn't
Speaker 1: talk to me at all. I didn't meet anybody uh on.
Speaker 1: I didn't even take an official trip uh to the Jets.
Speaker 1: I went to the I went to a Giant's official trip.
Speaker 1: I went to uh Cleveland Browns as an official trip,
Speaker 1: and uh, I think that was uh. I may have
Speaker 1: a one more place I can't remember, but that was it.
Speaker 1: So I had no communication with the Jets barter of fact,
Speaker 1: I thought I was going. We We felt pretty good
Speaker 1: about number fourteen to green Bay. Green Bay ultimately picked
Speaker 1: Bubba Frank's, the other first round tight end that year.
Speaker 1: But up to the day before the draft, they had me, well,
Speaker 1: at least they told my agent, Ron Wolfe, said that
Speaker 1: they had me rated above him. But inside I heard
Speaker 1: Ron wolf flew down to Miami that the day before
Speaker 1: the draft and worked him out one more time because
Speaker 1: Bubba didn't work out well for some reason. His times
Speaker 1: were messed up. He he lost weight game weight, and
Speaker 1: he went down one more time before the draft, and
Speaker 1: I guess he sealed the deal. So uh, he cost
Speaker 1: me some money up front, you know, I tell him
Speaker 1: Bubba Frank's cost me money. And the fact that Chad
Speaker 1: Pennington didn't go to the Steelers of the forty niners
Speaker 1: and bumped down the seventeen, that cost me money. Because
Speaker 1: when I did, when I did, hear from Parcels and
Speaker 1: this guy after I said, you know, we're one of
Speaker 1: the better tight ends. We like you over Bubba Franks.
Speaker 1: Then I was thinking out, once he's off the board,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go seventeen. And then uh, I didn't go there,
Speaker 1: So chattles me some money too. He cost me some cash,
Speaker 1: and I tell him out all the time, so he
Speaker 1: buys dinner all the time. He was a quarterback, so
Speaker 1: he's got the cash. And by the way, you talked
Speaker 1: about the hundreds of some of these guys beat your
Speaker 1: marks from the combine twenty years ago. Are you a
Speaker 1: guy who carries around hundreds in your wallet? Or would
Speaker 1: you have to a t M at Basorry, did drop
Speaker 1: my world or whatever? Uh? You know your answer. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you I don't normally carry cash, but there are
Speaker 1: times throughout the year when I have like stipend myself
Speaker 1: where I'm traveling, where I may or may not have
Speaker 1: each one a few hundreds uh on me, you know?
Speaker 1: So uh you know. I don't want to give you
Speaker 1: exact time because obviously there's listeners and if they see me,
Speaker 1: it might be that time of year, and I don't
Speaker 1: want anybody to kind of jump on me and attack
Speaker 1: me or anything like that. I don't think anybody's trying
Speaker 1: to trying to come up in attack. I could probably
Speaker 1: handle a couple, but you know, once you start, it
Speaker 1: might be you know, distraction. Then you got pick pocketers. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: twenties are good because there's it's sticking. They're breakable, They're
Speaker 1: easily breakable. So I mean, you talked about a packet.
Speaker 1: This is such a random question, and this is probably
Speaker 1: you know, this could be a combine question. But I
Speaker 1: was asked once in in college, would you rather fight? Um, shoot,
Speaker 1: what is it? It's like a hundred one duck sized
Speaker 1: horse or a hundred or the opposite. I I gotta
Speaker 1: think of the The sounds like a real good question.
Speaker 1: It's great Anthony was talking about by a pack a
Speaker 1: duck size, a duck sized horse or a hundred ducks?
Speaker 1: Is that what it is? Hold on, but you'd rather
Speaker 1: fight one horse sized duck or a hundred duck sized horses?
Speaker 1: A hundred duck sized horses because you know, listen, you
Speaker 1: get a big duck, they start bobbing their head and
Speaker 1: poking with that big I don't want to do that
Speaker 1: business because I'm not I'm not as quick. I feel
Speaker 1: there's a quickness factor. I see them doing it when
Speaker 1: they're small and they can really jab and do their
Speaker 1: different things. That's not my that's not my cup of tea.
Speaker 1: So I feel like being tall and just have the
Speaker 1: element of squashing. You know, I don't think that a
Speaker 1: hundred duck sized horses. I'm glad, d D. I'm glad
Speaker 1: not taking either. Um. Now, since you're working with the
Speaker 1: tight ends here in Indianapolis, I would say right now,
Speaker 1: if you're a Jets fan, you feel pretty comfortable where
Speaker 1: you're at with the tight ends. Ryan Griffin came on,
Speaker 1: you signed him to an extension, uh late in the season.
Speaker 1: Chris Herndon basically had a lost year, but he should
Speaker 1: come back a hundred percent for you. You mentioned tray
Speaker 1: one West go before. The Jets also resigned Daniel Brown
Speaker 1: so he will not enter free agency. So right now,
Speaker 1: I look at the position and say a lot of depth.
Speaker 1: I'm quite excited if I'm a fan about the tandem
Speaker 1: of Griffin and Herndon. And I don't know if this
Speaker 1: is a team that is going to be looking at
Speaker 1: the tight end position through that first four or five
Speaker 1: round range. Yeah, I don't think so either. UM, you know,
Speaker 1: you still gotta evaluate them and do those things. I
Speaker 1: know coach Dunn has been around and I've seen him
Speaker 1: quite a bit. Uh, you know, just making sure they
Speaker 1: do their homework on those tight ends. But you know, yeah, you're,
Speaker 1: like you said, the fact that you're getting Herndon back
Speaker 1: that that makes the group larger because he didn't start
Speaker 1: the season and he wasn't healthy throughout the season. So
Speaker 1: to have all those guys back, to have them healthy
Speaker 1: and use those guys, you got a full gamut of
Speaker 1: what you need. And then of course, as Westcoe got
Speaker 1: some playing time more towards the end of the season,
Speaker 1: he became a better player. I know they're very high
Speaker 1: on him. They like what he brings to the table.
Speaker 1: He is he's very physical, he's strong, he's aggressive on
Speaker 1: the field, he's nasty, he's a finisher, and they just
Speaker 1: you know, you can't find that out there. As I
Speaker 1: look at the names in this draft, I don't know
Speaker 1: if there's any of those guys that want to do that.
Speaker 1: So that is, you know, and and plus he, like
Speaker 1: you said, he can move around a little bit, run
Speaker 1: some intomedia routes and do those things. So you know,
Speaker 1: again another year under his belt where his head was
Speaker 1: swimming early on the year. But and I think that's
Speaker 1: good because they threw a lot at him where now
Speaker 1: he'll you know, come into this season feeling a little better,
Speaker 1: feeling more confident. You should see a different player and
Speaker 1: hopefully get more playing time and make that group a
Speaker 1: whole lot better with those guys. Is it a leap
Speaker 1: to think that if you do have a healthy Herndon,
Speaker 1: I know he just played one professional season, but we
Speaker 1: saw what Griffin was and that connection he established with
Speaker 1: Sam Donald is a leape to say, hey, maybe this
Speaker 1: could be one of the better one two punches in
Speaker 1: the NFL at the position. Well, it's nice to have
Speaker 1: two options to guys that can run routes. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously Ryan Griffin had I had a nice uh you know,
Speaker 1: had some nice catches throughout the year, some red zone stuff,
Speaker 1: which yeah, he was. I mean, he's a big kid.
Speaker 1: You know, I didn't realize how you know, tall, he's
Speaker 1: like a true sick just slightly with his six six right,
Speaker 1: so he's like a true six six. So when you
Speaker 1: see him, he's just like he's a towering guy. But yeah,
Speaker 1: he's in a fishing blocker. He does. He did some
Speaker 1: good stuff on the edge this year. He still runs well,
Speaker 1: which is good, and uh, you know those things are good.
Speaker 1: And then hern didn't look at you know, you just
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta get your act together as kind
Speaker 1: of your you know where you're where you're gone right.
Speaker 1: You don't want any distractions. You don't want to get suspending.
Speaker 1: You wanna you know, you want to be on You
Speaker 1: want to be where you need to be so we
Speaker 1: can utilize you. The best ability we always talk about
Speaker 1: is availability, and that's the biggest thing with Chris. Going
Speaker 1: through an offseason, going through a trainee camp and being
Speaker 1: able to start game one will do him great and
Speaker 1: we can see some of the great things or more
Speaker 1: of the great things that he showed from the year before.
Speaker 1: So that'll be key. He's got to have a big year.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, that's just because he should. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the kind of player that I think we all
Speaker 1: think he is and that he needs to go out
Speaker 1: there and show that, not prove it. We know we
Speaker 1: can do. He just gotta do it now and be
Speaker 1: available every week and continually, you know, grow that tandem,
Speaker 1: not just between those two tight ends with the quarterback
Speaker 1: for Trayvon westco to go through the draft, be drafted rookie,
Speaker 1: mindee camp, training camp, like there's no downtime, and then,
Speaker 1: like you said, you're thrown into the fire. And I
Speaker 1: feel like most rookies are thrown into the fire like that.
Speaker 1: So how much can he grow as a blocker from
Speaker 1: year one to year two? Because at the end of
Speaker 1: the season, John Dunne said he's progressed nicely. But to
Speaker 1: finally have time to sit back, you know, relax a little,
Speaker 1: then get back to work, how much more efficient do
Speaker 1: you think he can be as a blocker? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it comes down to when he when he understands
Speaker 1: how to be a technician with his footwork and know
Speaker 1: how to put it all together on impact. I mean,
Speaker 1: everything else is there. I mean, when you do it
Speaker 1: right and you're as aggressive and as a finisher as
Speaker 1: he is, that's scary proposition. And you know coach Done
Speaker 1: knows that, and that's gonna be a big thing. I
Speaker 1: know that for sure. I know guys that just are
Speaker 1: extremely good. You know, they they're strong at the attack,
Speaker 1: this and that, but they don't understand how to get
Speaker 1: their feet go to their opponent get their footwork down
Speaker 1: so they can put it all together. And when they
Speaker 1: do that, those guys become elite. And it took me
Speaker 1: a while to to to figure that out. I mean,
Speaker 1: I thought I was a good blocker when I came out,
Speaker 1: but quite honestly, I was. I was still behind because
Speaker 1: I didn't know the technique. And then I learned it
Speaker 1: my first year, second year, and the third year. All
Speaker 1: of a sudden, now you start understanding. And of course
Speaker 1: as we move forward, that was the master plan to
Speaker 1: be that guy, because that gave me the extra years
Speaker 1: of my career that I wanted. What do you like
Speaker 1: most about Joe Douglas right now? And this is really
Speaker 1: a start, uh the first professional offseason as general manager.
Speaker 1: He got hired in June, and I know a lot
Speaker 1: of people had problems with the timing externally, but Joe
Speaker 1: has one on record to say it actually helped me
Speaker 1: coming in because I was able to evaluate everything that
Speaker 1: was going on for five six months, put my processes
Speaker 1: in place. And now here's his first true offseason at GM.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, you know he's never uh had a
Speaker 1: draft class that he could call his own. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is his first opportunity. He has worked his way
Speaker 1: up from ground zero all the way up to where
Speaker 1: he is now. He learned as an area scout, he
Speaker 1: learned as a as a now a regional scout. Then
Speaker 1: he moved the national and then he got the different areas.
Speaker 1: And then you talk about the teams he was with
Speaker 1: and their success, you know, being around, uh, the Baltimore
Speaker 1: Ravens and the success they had there, and then bouncing
Speaker 1: over to the Philadelphia Eagles, learning from Howie Roseman and
Speaker 1: all those kind of guys in those pieces, and now
Speaker 1: you're finally ready and you're right. At the time, it
Speaker 1: was scary what what the Jets were gonna do with
Speaker 1: the general managup is, But the fact they we're able
Speaker 1: to get a guy like him was a bonus. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people's mindset and thought process changed
Speaker 1: when they actually got him, Like, all right, it wasn't
Speaker 1: as bad as we thought. Is this guy is gonna
Speaker 1: be a legit guy. So now I'm excited to see
Speaker 1: how he goes. And I think the one thing where
Speaker 1: we've always kind of been pressed upon him is he's about,
Speaker 1: you know, inside out, building a team inside out, So
Speaker 1: like I'm all about that because I think, you know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of skilled players out there that can
Speaker 1: help football teams. But if you don't have the interior guys,
Speaker 1: a defensive line, the offensive lineman to get those guys
Speaker 1: where they need to go, whether it's through holes as
Speaker 1: a back, or protection to get balls to the receiver
Speaker 1: or the the help protect the quarterback, you're out. You're
Speaker 1: out of luck. So, uh we saw a little movement
Speaker 1: obviously last year with some guys bringing some lineman in
Speaker 1: Lewis and whatnot. Uh So, I think this is gonna be,
Speaker 1: you know, with this draft heavy with a lot of
Speaker 1: guys like that, and of course there are some free agents.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know how the money's gonna be spent.
Speaker 1: You know, if I'm the general manager or I'm going
Speaker 1: to use the the chunk of the change if I
Speaker 1: can have got an interior guy. There's shirts out there,
Speaker 1: there's guys where you know, are are really good guys.
Speaker 1: You just gotta do your homework. You know, some guys
Speaker 1: are coming off injuries, some guys you know, where are
Speaker 1: they and it doesn't make it reasonable enough to spend money.
Speaker 1: And of course you know with free agency guys, we
Speaker 1: all know, we you tend to overspend because you know,
Speaker 1: it's just like those guys are kind of available, you're
Speaker 1: putting spots, and uh, that's the importance of a free agency,
Speaker 1: right it is you can get sometimes you get a
Speaker 1: starter in that second tier, that initial wave. You have
Speaker 1: to overspend otherwise you're not getting. And those skill positions
Speaker 1: sometimes are a little easier to find. That when you're
Speaker 1: talking about Lyneman being across the league, that there's not
Speaker 1: many good ones, let alone the depth those guys get
Speaker 1: sucked up. So you don't really find guys hanging around,
Speaker 1: right you got you know, even free agency, it is like, man,
Speaker 1: if you can't hang on them, then you must have
Speaker 1: a really good line if you can't hang onto a guy,
Speaker 1: right So, and that really is the problem the issue.
Speaker 1: So they normally have something like a nagging injury or
Speaker 1: this and that, and they're just trying to cut bait
Speaker 1: on that salary. So you just got to be I've
Speaker 1: seen it go bad sometimes and and obviously you know
Speaker 1: Joe's seen at all. I mean he's been at those
Speaker 1: those things when those free agency times have gone, and
Speaker 1: those teams that he's with had to get those kind
Speaker 1: of linemen. He's got that experience watching it and it
Speaker 1: will be key obviously with free agency wherever they go,
Speaker 1: and of course in the draft as well. You cover
Speaker 1: college football throughout the season, so just keeping keeping this
Speaker 1: on the offensive line. Talk how many of the top
Speaker 1: tackles have you seen live? Between Jedrick Wills out of Alabama,
Speaker 1: Tristan Worfs Iowa, McKay Beckton out of Louisville, and then
Speaker 1: Andrew Thomas out of Georgia. I saw all of them.
Speaker 1: I saw Thomas twice this year. I saw him last
Speaker 1: year twice. Um worse Okay, I saw him uh twice
Speaker 1: as well this year and last year. He's my favorite guy.
Speaker 1: I like him not. Thomas to me is just a
Speaker 1: road grade animal and that's great, but you I do
Speaker 1: need a guy that is smooth all the way around,
Speaker 1: and I just feel like, you know that worse is
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see him works at the COM mean,
Speaker 1: there's some athletic dudes and that are gonna be doing
Speaker 1: these drills. You know. Beckton's kind of that wow, like
Speaker 1: we've never seen a guy this big. You know, what
Speaker 1: is it? What's his met six? I mean that's you know,
Speaker 1: you think about it like it's kind of like a
Speaker 1: pony show kind of thing. But he's like a legit
Speaker 1: dude who's very athletic as well basketball player, uh coming up.
Speaker 1: I mean he did all kinds of athletic stuff like
Speaker 1: off the field, like people would talk about at campus
Speaker 1: at Lowellville and uh, you know, again, he's kind of
Speaker 1: one of those I don't know if he's a wild
Speaker 1: card because there's there's proven things that he's done. But
Speaker 1: I know, I don't know. I just I've seen him.
Speaker 1: I've seen him literally like just fold dudes up and finished.
Speaker 1: I mean, so he's got that in him. But he's
Speaker 1: in that. He's in that world, man. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: got really good tape. And then you know you talked
Speaker 1: about the the Bama tackle. I mean those guys are
Speaker 1: good Jones from Houston. Guys got like I've seen him
Speaker 1: twice this year as well. Guys got like I think,
Speaker 1: started every game in a Houston uniform. And the experience
Speaker 1: is awesome. And you can get guys that played a
Speaker 1: lot of games. Um, you see Austin Jackson at all
Speaker 1: out of USC. Austin Jackson did not have USC. UM
Speaker 1: I had USC when we had a doga came out,
Speaker 1: so I got to see a little bit of him. So,
Speaker 1: you know, again I won't dig too deep on those
Speaker 1: tab but those guys you're all talking about are in
Speaker 1: the conversation. Uh potentially for the Jets and a lot
Speaker 1: of other teams that they those guys may get, you know,
Speaker 1: pushed up a little higher. What do you like about
Speaker 1: works that makes him your top guy or your favorite? Well,
Speaker 1: you know, any time you're coming from IHA, you're you're
Speaker 1: coming from a program that technically you're doing things that
Speaker 1: NFL teams doing the run game. You know, they really
Speaker 1: haven't gone towards the spread runs, so there's not a
Speaker 1: lot of the sideways, you know, not a lot of
Speaker 1: the you know, not attacking your opponent. They're still doing
Speaker 1: power runs. They're still doing uh you know, full zone
Speaker 1: inside zone runs. You gotta literally you gotta step forward
Speaker 1: and attack guys. So technical, technically wise, he's gonna be
Speaker 1: very very strong. But athleticism, why pass set People talk
Speaker 1: about his arms are short? I don't know what short arms?
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if you're if you never give
Speaker 1: up a sack and you're protecting the whole time, and
Speaker 1: what the heck is the difference, and he's going against
Speaker 1: epinessa is at a very highly rated defensive end for Iowa.
Speaker 1: He's going against him every every day, right and they've
Speaker 1: had several defensive linemen come out the last couple of
Speaker 1: years that have been uh in the draft that are
Speaker 1: playing in the NFL. So I just, you know, I
Speaker 1: think all around, he's just a special player and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, he's gonna open some eyes even more at
Speaker 1: the combine because big guys doing those kind of things
Speaker 1: are are interesting. What do you think a better suited
Speaker 1: for Thomas? You mentioned he's a road grader. You like
Speaker 1: him on the right side, Uh, yeah, I do. I
Speaker 1: mean I think works two on the right side initially,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, uh those are guys that kind of
Speaker 1: come in and you can play that position, but you
Speaker 1: know they're not limited to the left side. But you know,
Speaker 1: Thomas is just a guy that just literally is just
Speaker 1: trying to if you're trying to improve your run game,
Speaker 1: He's gonna be a good pass protector. But occasionally he's
Speaker 1: gonna you know, those speed guys are you know, he's
Speaker 1: gonna have to work through that, and it's fine. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, he's done it well and he's done it
Speaker 1: poorly sometimes, but you know, you know, to me, running
Speaker 1: game is an important part of this equation too. For
Speaker 1: the Jets. When you got a guy like Bell on
Speaker 1: your team, you gotta find ways to open up whole
Speaker 1: so we can get him into the second one you
Speaker 1: want to restricted free agents for the Jets? What jumps
Speaker 1: out at you the most because when you were talking,
Speaker 1: when you we're talking about tackles and you're seeing worse man,
Speaker 1: Maybe Thomas is potentially right tackles. Maybe the Jets resign
Speaker 1: a guy like a Calvin Beecham and short term he
Speaker 1: still is your left tackle. Who knows, but he's at
Speaker 1: u f a uh. Jordan Jenkins fifteen secs the last
Speaker 1: two years playing strong side linebacker for you. Um, he's
Speaker 1: an unrestricted free agent, Robbie Anderson, he might be the
Speaker 1: most coveted, young, talented receiver on the market. If Amurray
Speaker 1: Cooper indeed does stay in Dallas, UM, you have a
Speaker 1: lot of interesting decisions to make in the house before
Speaker 1: you get the march A team. Well, you know, listen,
Speaker 1: you obviously you want to try to keep Robbie if
Speaker 1: you can. The market will dictate if you can or
Speaker 1: not right, because you do have other things you have
Speaker 1: to find for this football team. There are some other
Speaker 1: receivers out there that that are good, but you're talking
Speaker 1: about youth explosiveness. You know, Joe was talking about guys
Speaker 1: that you know just play man. He's one of he
Speaker 1: fits that equation. And you know, like we talked about,
Speaker 1: there are there is gonna be a uh you know,
Speaker 1: free agency tends to overpay guys and if other teams
Speaker 1: are out there throwing around some money and he's in
Speaker 1: that upper you know, like you said, Mark Cooper is
Speaker 1: probably going back to Dallas. A J. Green is another
Speaker 1: guy up there, but you know he's coming off injury
Speaker 1: and he's older. I mean, you know, where do you
Speaker 1: want to put your money? And I don't know if
Speaker 1: that that makes a lot of sense, uh for the
Speaker 1: Jets just just who do they just sign? Um? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Young guy? You know, maybe sometimes another place is better
Speaker 1: for a guy. I mean, I like that kid coming
Speaker 1: out of college. I really did just never really panned
Speaker 1: out in Washington whatever it maybe so you know, maybe
Speaker 1: he can come here and be a difference and you
Speaker 1: got him kind of you know, per se on the cheap,
Speaker 1: which is good. So uh, you know, look, I I
Speaker 1: would think, I look, I'm gonna try to get Robbie back,
Speaker 1: And the only reason why I wouldn't is because someone
Speaker 1: is offering him an an outlandish contract. And you know
Speaker 1: he's gonna have a little leverage there as a player
Speaker 1: because there should be another team that that wants him
Speaker 1: to come back. Now you talk about the offensive line,
Speaker 1: I think that's a kind of uh, you know, go
Speaker 1: as it as it comes up kind of thing. Let's
Speaker 1: see what the free agency is available, let's go through
Speaker 1: the draft, and then what can we accumulate from there.
Speaker 1: And now we'll start saying, Okay, well you know why
Speaker 1: we gotta keep this guy. We don't have to keep
Speaker 1: this guy. And I think with Calvin Beacham, that's where
Speaker 1: you are. Good player. You know you can count on
Speaker 1: this and that, but you know you may be able
Speaker 1: to get something a little different moving forward. So you know,
Speaker 1: I think there's no rush on him in the in
Speaker 1: the in the fact that you do have some other
Speaker 1: things happening before before and see what happens, but that
Speaker 1: line is gonna look a lot different no matter what happens. Uh. Lastly,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to get your thoughts on the wide
Speaker 1: receiver position because that's been the talk at Indie here
Speaker 1: for a couple of days. This is one of the
Speaker 1: most deep talented classes that I can remember. You're talking
Speaker 1: about guys like Jerry, Judy, Henry Ruggs, um Ceedee, Lamb.
Speaker 1: He might be the first wide receiver that comes off
Speaker 1: the board. You could have as many as six, maybe
Speaker 1: seven receivers first round. I don't know, they're talking about
Speaker 1: twenty receivers in the first three rounds as we're talking.
Speaker 1: Pull up the list of those guys that are here
Speaker 1: on the combine. Yeah, because but I'll talk about the guy.
Speaker 1: I think the consensus who I've talked to here at
Speaker 1: the combine, I think everybody thinks that Judy is the guy.
Speaker 1: They think that he's the primed receiver that if they
Speaker 1: were to throw their their pick at and they need
Speaker 1: a receiver in that market, will get him. Lamb is
Speaker 1: another guy. Again, he's very close, he's very talented, and
Speaker 1: you know, if that's the guy that they end up
Speaker 1: getting because he's going, then they'd be very happy with
Speaker 1: him as well. Um, it is a deep class. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, there's multiple receivers. You know, l s U
Speaker 1: has a pretty good receiver. He's not bad. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I think we saw a lot of him
Speaker 1: this year and I'm telling you now he's pretty too.
Speaker 1: He can dominate from the inside too. Yeah you know
Speaker 1: that that's that's impressive. So that this list is alphabetical, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: but like Brandon Aiyu popular name. Okay, so here's so
Speaker 1: like a guy like uh, you know Limboden. Okay, he
Speaker 1: let me scan this for you. So second, so like
Speaker 1: a guy like Limbo and you wouldn't think, but he's
Speaker 1: like one of the more dynamic players in the SEC.
Speaker 1: Think about an atom Rando. Well that kind of a player,
Speaker 1: a guy like um, you know, a Tasom Hill kind
Speaker 1: of guy. He can do that. He's gonna be a
Speaker 1: guy that I think may go higher than people think
Speaker 1: because he's got that skill set that he can run,
Speaker 1: passing and really catch. So that that those are things
Speaker 1: are good. Uh. We talked about the Chase clay pool
Speaker 1: pool kid from Notre Dame. Weighed in at two or
Speaker 1: thirty eight pounds. Starting to look like a hybrid kind
Speaker 1: of tight end guy. So now you're talking about man,
Speaker 1: we can have him. Put him in the slot and
Speaker 1: he could be super dangerous. He's a mismatch problem if
Speaker 1: a linebacker has to cover him game over, and then
Speaker 1: the safety is a challenge because he's a bigger guy
Speaker 1: height and weight wise. Uh. The guy from Minnesota Johnson
Speaker 1: Tyler Johnson to me, I think that dude is he's
Speaker 1: a really really good player. I think he's underrated. Uh,
Speaker 1: he's as smooth as they came. I watched him in
Speaker 1: that Bowl game against All Burn and he just annihilated them.
Speaker 1: They couldn't cover him. And I think he's a guy
Speaker 1: to me where he goes. Uh, he is gonna be
Speaker 1: a guy to to to think about moving forward for there.
Speaker 1: So those are a couple of guys I think off
Speaker 1: the top of my head. I like den Denzel Min's
Speaker 1: Baylor kid. Yeah he's a good Yeah, he's a he's
Speaker 1: got great size, he's a great blocker, and he's a
Speaker 1: big time playmaker down the field. People Jones, kJ Hamler
Speaker 1: and Michael Pittman. I mean, there's like a stupid amount
Speaker 1: of James prochet s m U you don't need probably
Speaker 1: went in front of and that guy had a special season.
Speaker 1: Jalen reagor TC. You had a good year. So it's deep,
Speaker 1: and you know how it starts. You know, one guy
Speaker 1: goes and then all of a sudden, the dominos go
Speaker 1: oh and you know, I mean here's another guy Colorado.
Speaker 1: You know, he probably thinks he's the best receiver, uh
Speaker 1: coming out of the draft. So look, if you need one,
Speaker 1: and the Jets are in the market for it potentially,
Speaker 1: but you're here in Judy's the top of this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that I would say the consensus ceedee lamb maybe right
Speaker 1: yeah right there. Yeah, and then you know, look, it
Speaker 1: could be it could be any of those guys going next.
Speaker 1: And we're hearing Tyreek Hill comparisons for uh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's another burner. Yeah, another burner. So
Speaker 1: you know you've got speed guys that can catch. You know, look, man,
Speaker 1: if you're looking for explosive weapons, this is the year
Speaker 1: to get it. And if you're looking for some tackles,
Speaker 1: alignment guys that you know, you feel good, you think
Speaker 1: you think ultimately the Jets data loving that will be
Speaker 1: the decision. Attackle or receiver. Yeah, I'm taking I'm taking
Speaker 1: alignments you are. That's just me. But I would especially
Speaker 1: given the depth of this class, right, yeah, like that.
Speaker 1: Do you think that play he's a factor? Of course,
Speaker 1: I think so. Yeah. I think if you do your homework,
Speaker 1: you know, you get your scouts, you can get a
Speaker 1: receiver in a second, real productive guy. I hope, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you can. I mean absolutely. Alright, well man,
Speaker 1: thanks for coming on the podcast here in India. Everything here, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is great. Yeah, and we didn't even get to
Speaker 1: the three cone number that I had, but we'll put
Speaker 1: it out there. But that's a six nine three cone
Speaker 1: um that's I mean, yeah, google it. It's it's like
Speaker 1: it's like impressive. I mean, receiver. If receivers likes if
Speaker 1: if receivers get six nine four, like, teams will be
Speaker 1: really happy about that. Think about that. I did it
Speaker 1: at two d seventy pounds, so that's like, you know,
Speaker 1: next level stuff. It's a lead stuff. But I trained,
Speaker 1: I trained for those things, you know, like, oh, well
Speaker 1: didn't match up the way, but well yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes it does. But I was able to just prepare
Speaker 1: myself for that and ultimately help me DK metcalf. I'm
Speaker 1: just using this as an example because he had a
Speaker 1: bad one. You didn't even touch me and his shuttle
Speaker 1: is a four or five. That's a that's a disgrace.
Speaker 1: But he's a good player. Well, he is a good player.
Speaker 1: Do you see the comparison here on the tweet? Wow,
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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, okay, so what are you hearing. I
Speaker 1: think there's a legitimate chance, stronger than people think that
Speaker 1: he may leave. I initially thought that that's not happening.
Speaker 1: But there's a there's a there's a small bug in
Speaker 1: the air that says that there potentially is a team
Speaker 1: in the market for him. And I'm say, hey, get out,
Speaker 1: get out of town. If that's good, you know, for
Speaker 1: for for Jets fans, right, let's go take that. Take that.
Speaker 1: But if that bug's right there, there may be one
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