1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to the official JEZZ podcast powered by Amazon Web Services. 2 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: Ethan Greenberg, Eric Allen, joined by Anthony Becked here in Indianapolis. 3 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on the pot. Yeah, man, this is great. 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: It's good to see you guys. Guy like kind of 5 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: a mini radio radio is that what they're calling him? Yeah, 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: so this is good. I see all the teams here 7 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: and like radio rectangle radio fenced in area, and you 8 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: guys look like the most active table, which is always good. Thanks, 9 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: hard working team in the NFL. I'm sorry I apologized 10 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: I rushed you guys back from your lunch. Four stars Listen. 11 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: I have to say that I was here right, you 12 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: were here rady to go. You skip lunch to do 13 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:47,599 Speaker 1: extra work? Well, Ethan, yeah, actually it was Chick fil A. 14 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: But okay, I a more serious no, what are you 15 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: doing here at the COMMA? Yeah? So last week, um, 16 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: you know Tracy Pelmin part of the NFL Legends. They 17 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: have a bunch of their players coming into Men Tour, 18 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: the positions for each group that that that's attending here 19 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 1: from the universe, the different college kids. So they asked 20 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: me if I wanted to represent the tight End group 21 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: and I was like absolutely, I mean, this is fantastic. 22 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: So basically what that entails for me is came to 23 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: town and uh, I basically am in every meeting, I'm 24 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: walking with him, I'm eating with every tight end the 25 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: tight end group for this for this year's NFL draft. Uh, 26 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: it's myself, and there's um a national scout that's with 27 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: them that kind of runs the group, uh, Chris Prescott 28 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: from the Chicago Bears, and then there's two other he 29 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: is okay, you remember good, Yeah, And then there's two 30 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: other scouts from two other teams that kind of help out, 31 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: and then there's me. So I just kind of blend in, 32 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: you know, and just kind of give them any kind 33 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: of mentorship advice. UM. I tried to sit down with 34 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: each one of the kids and talk to them and 35 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: just pick their brain. I've seen about there's twenty of 36 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: them here. I've seen about uh fit of teen of 37 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: them live, you know, calling games in college football. I 38 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: know their game. I studied them. And then there's some 39 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: guys like places like Dayton and Portland's State that you know, 40 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: people don't know. And I can't get that film unless 41 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: you YouTube, and you gotta watch the whole two hours 42 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 1: instead of the cut ups. So uh, you know, some 43 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 1: of them went to Senior Bowl, watch their Senior Bowl 44 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: practices and just got caught up on the football side. 45 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:23,679 Speaker 1: But this is just more kind of given this guidance 46 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: for this window right now, and then, like I was 47 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 1: telling you off the air, Eric about the first year, 48 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: right just giving them some guidance there. Listen, I told me, like, 49 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: I got twelve years of good things, bad things, you know, 50 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: all kinds of information. And then of course, uh, you know, 51 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: use me as a resource moving forward because they're gonna 52 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: have their agents and all that, but they're not gonna 53 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: know right, they're gonna I don't want these guys to 54 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: to learn on the go. Some things they will and 55 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: that's good. But if anything that I can answer that 56 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: was looking for answers for that I couldn't get, I 57 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: can give that to them. And I think, to me, 58 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: that's a that's a valuable resource to have. So that's 59 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: why I'm here and I hopefully I get to do 60 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: this every year. Did some of the guys recognize Anthony. 61 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: That's a great question. So so you know, look, I'm 62 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: I'm realistic, Okay. I was here twenty years ago to 63 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: the date and uh, you know I have. I had 64 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: met a very few number of these guys when I 65 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 1: was calling football games. Uh some remember, but but majority 66 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: of them did not know who I was. And I 67 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: didn't hurt my feelings at all. And then as we 68 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: start talking and I let them know my credentials as 69 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: far as what I've gone and and give my little spiel, 70 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: and the the antennis start to go up a little bit, 71 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: and then a couple of them start googling stuff and 72 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: then the next day like, oh, you do that or 73 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: you do this, and then I start reeling off my 74 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: times that I had here, and we'll get into that later. 75 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: But then they really started getting out in and listening 76 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: to me, so, uh, they all know me now, which 77 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: is good, and that's okay. It doesn't hurt my feelings. 78 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, two thousands to two thousand, twenty. Although 79 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like you know, a big this twenty years, 80 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: I mean, you know it kind of. I went back 81 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: to my room then I was like sat down. I 82 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: was like, wow, I was twenty years ago. So but 83 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: nothing's changed. I think there's only one new drill this year. 84 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: It's a fade catch. Other than that's been exactly the 85 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: same since I was doing it and before then. So, uh, 86 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: to answer your question, no, not too many of them 87 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: knew who I was twenty years ago. Anthony, I want 88 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: I want to go back there for a minute, because 89 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: he hear all these stories about different prospects being asked 90 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 1: interesting questions per se. Is there one that sticks out 91 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: to you or a couple from from me? Yeah, I 92 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: was asked, man, you know, I don't have taken you 93 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: back a little bit. Yeah, you're right, and uh, you know, 94 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: but it was such a I had such a kind 95 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: of a clean palette when I came out of school, honestly, 96 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: I mean I had really good grades. You know, I 97 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: wasn't kind of involved in you know, all the other 98 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: riff raff. I didn't get in trouble. You know, I 99 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: kind of saw, uh, you know, the I on the 100 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 1: prize kind of thing at the end and um. But 101 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: you know, like as I'm looking at the giants, you know, 102 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: they do a big psychological evaluation. You know, it's like 103 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: a three question. I don't know if they still do it. 104 00:04:58,400 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: I think the guys tell me they did. But you know, 105 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: one of the questions, like, you know, do you prefer 106 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: yourself to be a cat or that. That's what I 107 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: was about to bring up because I saw that on 108 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: Twitter the other day and I'm like, well, how do 109 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: you answer? I'm trying to say, like, okay, well, I'm 110 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: actually as I'm I'm reading and I'm thinking, I'm like, well, 111 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 1: what are the bad things about each right? Because you know, 112 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 1: we all know there's a lot of good things that 113 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 1: I honestly don't. I don't want to offend any of 114 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: the listeners. You know, I don't like cats. I'm just 115 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 1: not a cat guy, never was, you know, just not 116 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: my cup of tea. You know, I'm not an animal. 117 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,919 Speaker 1: I'm not an animal lover. If it's not my animal 118 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: or my pet, I'm I'm cool this and that, I'll 119 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: pet it. You know. I like puppies, but I don't 120 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: want to own one. So I just went with the dog. 121 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: I just know a lot meaner dogs that are out there, 122 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: and just you know, when you think German shepherd a 123 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: trade one and and Doverman pincher, those are like legit skit, 124 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 1: you know, you're just like man and they're authoritive dogs. 125 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: I was like, I just put a dog, you know, 126 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: So I don't know if that prevented them from drafting me. 127 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: But you know, it didn't work out with us and them, 128 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: so I ended up being the jet, which is good, 129 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 1: but that was one of the ones. I remember at 130 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: the top of my head. One of the guys told me, 131 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: you guys never have had a dog. Huh when I 132 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: was one years old, before I could remember, we had 133 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: a dog. And then uh, it was only for a year, 134 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: and then after that, I've never had a I've never 135 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: had a like a four legged pet, which means why 136 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 1: you have fish or exactly see he picks out you listen, 137 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 1: at least you're listening to me when I'm talking. I did. 138 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 1: I've had multiple fish. I've had the fair fishes that 139 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: die a month later, all the time, the goldfish in 140 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: the bag. I tried. I tried to keep those things going. 141 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: One time, I got it for like over a year. 142 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: Not to get off topic, but I was able to 143 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: keep it, you know, going for a year, which was good. 144 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: But yeah, and you know, at the aquarium one year, 145 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: it was like, oh, and I had to have something. 146 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 1: We had an aquarium. We bought all these fish and 147 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: then eventually we just got you know, well, speaking of cats, 148 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: the jets traded the Big Cat to the New York 149 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: Giants because you just mentioned the Giants and like that. 150 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: That there brings it all full circle math, psychological evaluation. 151 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 1: If you just have cat in your name, then that's 152 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 1: where they're going to have an extra. The Jets have 153 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 1: an extra third round pick, and so four picks in 154 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: the first thirty rounds. We'll have to see if the 155 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,679 Speaker 1: Giants signed Leonard Williams to an extension, because I believe 156 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: that could become the pick could become a fourth round 157 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: pick uh next year as opposed to a fifth round pick. 158 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: That's all based on whether Giants side Leonard Waves to 159 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: an extension. But let's go back twenty years to your 160 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: combine measurements. The glasses are coming on vertical leap for 161 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: Anthony back thirty three point five inches. That was my meteor. 162 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: That's like the median. That was my one thing. And 163 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: as I'm looking at this, this is not correct, but 164 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: the four correct. Dick Haley, long time, long time scalt 165 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: at the Jets. When I ran my forty, he gave 166 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: me my time. He had me down at a four 167 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: six uh eight four six eight is my time. So 168 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: this came from where I don't know where that came from. 169 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: I did not run at the combine line. I ran 170 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: into pro that. So I'm going with the team that 171 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: drafted me and the guy obviously Dick Kelly, if anybody 172 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: knows anything. Yeah, so four six eight at two seventy 173 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: pounds is the legit time that I did that I 174 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: ran that. I'm going with. You know, that's wild. What 175 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: about the twenty yard shuttle four point zero eight seconds accurate? Yes, 176 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: four point eight point point four point zero eight is accurate. 177 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: That is a Now, if you just look over the 178 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: course of time and you look at who those kind 179 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: of times and who's running those, you're talking about elite 180 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: tight ends that are low and weight that you know 181 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: are just super fast freaks. And then a lot of 182 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,839 Speaker 1: receivers are having a hard time hitting four oh eight 183 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 1: uh in some of their shuttle time. So that time 184 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: twenty years ago would still be and it might be 185 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 1: the best time only till we'll talk about this in 186 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: another episode. It might be the best time of the 187 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: tight ends this year. I'm going out in the limb 188 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 1: and the guys that we have here, I don't think 189 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: you'll see any of these tight ends, not that that's 190 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: a bad thing. They're gonna get some times that are 191 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: gonna be good and they're gonna wild team with four 192 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: twos and four and that's that's good for teams, it's 193 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: really good. But the four oh weight will open eyes 194 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: even more in that would be what is it? What 195 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: is the twenty yard shuttle for people who don't know. Yeah, 196 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: so it's basically, you start in the middle of a 197 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: cone and five yards to your right there's a cone, 198 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: and five yards to the left there's a cone. So 199 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: you start in the middle and you go to the right, 200 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: you touch the cone, then you go all the way 201 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: across to the second cone, which brings you to fifteen yards, 202 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: so five over, ten across, and then run back to 203 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: the middle, which gives you a twenty yard shuttle back 204 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: and forth. And uh, you know when when you're training 205 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: for these things, you know, guys don't I was talking 206 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: a lot. I'm like, oh, how much did you train 207 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 1: for these drills that we do it once a week 208 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: would be our combine drill stuff. Well, I trained this 209 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: stuff after the Senior Bowl. I did nothing except drills 210 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: for whatever. It was a month. It was a month 211 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: right to the contents about the same time every day 212 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: we did those drills, and we mastered it, and it 213 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: came down the angles, it came down the geometry. I 214 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:59,719 Speaker 1: promise you none of these kids are talking about those 215 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: were with their trainers. I'm promised you they weren't. But 216 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: there is a specific way to get yourself around and 217 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: then when you start practicing, you get the body lean 218 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,719 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So I knew coming in man, 219 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: and back then you didn't know what the drills were. 220 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: So none of the agents really knew unless you had 221 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: an inn with a scout, and we hired our agency 222 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: hired a scout, so I had all the information. Now 223 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: they know, and it's actually shocking to me. I actually 224 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: watched guys now last year that still don't look like 225 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: they've never run the drill before, which is a shame 226 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: because they should know. But information out there, so you know, 227 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: like the Gauntlet, you see guys around the gaunt, like 228 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: how these guys have run this thing perfect? Guys are 229 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: going in figurate some we'll talk about that, but yeah, 230 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: so that that's the drill. That's what I did, and 231 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 1: that is honestly, that's an elite and on the big 232 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: pumping my head up you guys know the numbers. That's 233 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: an elite time. Uh, and you'll see receivers that won't 234 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: get that time. So I'm proud of that. For well, 235 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: would you have run that's one of your shuttle in 236 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: right now, right now, more more or less than double 237 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: your best time. Uh. You know what, right now, I 238 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: showed my kid how to do one because he's in 239 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: high school and they have these drills and stuff, you know, 240 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: at these camps that he goes to, and um, you 241 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: know what, I bet you I could I could swing 242 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: uh a low high five probably, I'll tell I don't 243 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: have the flextion, you know. No, Well, still, I mean 244 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: what he's getting those kind of times. I mean that's 245 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: even the biggest sloppiest lineman is getting below a six. 246 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,719 Speaker 1: I'd say, well, I know, but I'm saying, listen, you're 247 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: not a guy works out too much anymore. You still 248 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: could rock. Don't put me on the spotlight. Yeah, he 249 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: had his back with the lunch thing. Now he's coming back. 250 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: I'm not coming I'm just saying, is that that's good 251 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: just waking up and getting in the funnel. You know, 252 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: as I'm around some of these young guys and I 253 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: see some of my some of the coaches and some 254 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: former players that I played with that our coaches and scouts, 255 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: and they're kind of shape and stuff, and I guess 256 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,839 Speaker 1: I gotta star nine stars. What about the bench? You 257 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: didn't bench here? I did not bench. Uh. Yeah, So 258 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. My bench was not one 259 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: of my strong points. And I wanted to maximize the 260 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: time that I could continue to bench and grow. So 261 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: I went into my pro day and did it um 262 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: and uh, I passed on it. I was trying, like 263 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: the industry standard was to get the twenty and I 264 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: couldn't get to that. But I will say this, the 265 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: bench is not being as good as a blocker as 266 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: I was. The bench was not a dictator of you know, 267 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: how well I I benched and you know and all 268 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: that stuff. Yeah I did so I did nineteen times 269 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 1: in my pro day, which was you know, right right 270 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: about the standard. Some guys will get below that. Some 271 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 1: you'll see tight ends. Now. I think West co had 272 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,719 Speaker 1: four uh last year, which that's pretty damn strong, you know, 273 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 1: when you're talking about bench and West Virginia guy, right, 274 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: so uh, not all of us were as strong as him, 275 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: but you know, um uh that that twenty numbers a 276 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: kind of a good standard number to get to it. 277 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: I thought that was close enough. So that's what I 278 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 1: did at the protest. I have a two part question 279 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: for you. The first is how different are the combine 280 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: drills than just normal football, because you're talking about train 281 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: inning and you know, I'm just gonna use the forty 282 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: yard dash an example because everyone loves the forty it's 283 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: it's such a formula from mechanics from the stands to 284 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 1: getting out. And then the second part, you mentioned the gauntlet. 285 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: I don't know if you know that they're timing the 286 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: gauntlet this year. They're timing it, So I just want 287 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: to engage that. What time is reasonable? I don't know, Yeah, 288 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. I yeah, I don't I don't know. 289 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: Where do you start with that? I don't know. I mean, yeah, 290 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: I guess you can time it. You know, the guy 291 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: does it right, if he stays in the straight line 292 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: and he catches the thing smooth, that's a good that's 293 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: a good gauntlet. Now you've got to make sure you're 294 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: going full speed and you can kind of tell if 295 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: the guy is. But if there's anything off the center 296 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: of the line. And you know to what a gauntlet 297 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: is if you remember, the guys catch the ball one two, 298 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: and they turn and they run down the line and 299 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: they go left the right. The balls get thrown to 300 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: them by quarterbacks, and then they finish at the end, 301 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 1: turn up the field and score runder the coach or 302 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: the cone, and that that's a dictator that dictates it 303 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: for me. I mean as far as a time, I'm 304 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 1: not quite sure what that's gonna mean for me or 305 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: anybody watching it or any scouts. But maybe it sets 306 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: the bar moving forward, don't Don't you think it would 307 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: just make a receiver who might be slow playing it 308 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: think twice about running let's say, as opposed to running 309 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: faster psychologically, Yeah, I would say that would help. I mean, 310 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: if they're telling me it was time, then I would 311 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: want to have the best time. Then I would want 312 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: to go, you know, faster. So that hopefully gets everybody 313 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: just going full speed, which is important because that's a 314 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: part of it. Being able to control your body at 315 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: the fastest speed when the ball is coming at you. 316 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: It's not the easiest thing to do, you know, so uh, 317 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: you know that that will dictate a bunch. But I mean, yeah, 318 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: that'll be uh, that'll be interesting. But I go, on, 319 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: that's a good drill. I can usually tell if guy's 320 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: gonna be a good pro or not just off that 321 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: drill by the wrong thing to assess, because guys can 322 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: always get better. But the fact that you've been able 323 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: to train for this and not do it right is 324 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: you know that that kind of bombs You mentioned Mr 325 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: Hayley before. Um did you meet with the Jets at 326 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: the combine? Um? I did not know. Yeah, And you know, 327 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: it's funny because these guys, they have their meetings all week, 328 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: so they'll sit in the middle. They'll talk to different teams, 329 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: and then they'll also have formal meetings with other uh 330 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: NFL teams with like the GM and the head coach, 331 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: and some guys kind of sit around and they feel 332 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: like they're not getting called upon or or I have 333 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: many meetings to go to. And I said, don't worry 334 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: about that. I said, the team that drafted me didn't 335 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: talk to me at all. I didn't meet anybody uh on. 336 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: I didn't even take an official trip uh to the Jets. 337 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: I went to the I went to a Giant's official trip. 338 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: I went to uh Cleveland Browns as an official trip, 339 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: and uh, I think that was uh. I may have 340 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: a one more place I can't remember, but that was it. 341 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: So I had no communication with the Jets barter of fact, 342 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: I thought I was going. We We felt pretty good 343 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: about number fourteen to green Bay. Green Bay ultimately picked 344 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: Bubba Frank's, the other first round tight end that year. 345 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: But up to the day before the draft, they had me, well, 346 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: at least they told my agent, Ron Wolfe, said that 347 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: they had me rated above him. But inside I heard 348 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: Ron wolf flew down to Miami that the day before 349 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: the draft and worked him out one more time because 350 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: Bubba didn't work out well for some reason. His times 351 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: were messed up. He he lost weight game weight, and 352 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: he went down one more time before the draft, and 353 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: I guess he sealed the deal. So uh, he cost 354 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: me some money up front, you know, I tell him 355 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: Bubba Frank's cost me money. And the fact that Chad 356 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: Pennington didn't go to the Steelers of the forty niners 357 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: and bumped down the seventeen, that cost me money. Because 358 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: when I did, when I did, hear from Parcels and 359 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: this guy after I said, you know, we're one of 360 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: the better tight ends. We like you over Bubba Franks. 361 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: Then I was thinking out, once he's off the board, 362 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go seventeen. And then uh, I didn't go there, 363 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: So chattles me some money too. He cost me some cash, 364 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: and I tell him out all the time, so he 365 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: buys dinner all the time. He was a quarterback, so 366 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: he's got the cash. And by the way, you talked 367 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: about the hundreds of some of these guys beat your 368 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: marks from the combine twenty years ago. Are you a 369 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: guy who carries around hundreds in your wallet? Or would 370 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: you have to a t M at Basorry, did drop 371 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: my world or whatever? Uh? You know your answer. I'll 372 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: tell you I don't normally carry cash, but there are 373 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: times throughout the year when I have like stipend myself 374 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 1: where I'm traveling, where I may or may not have 375 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: each one a few hundreds uh on me, you know? 376 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: So uh you know. I don't want to give you 377 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: exact time because obviously there's listeners and if they see me, 378 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 1: it might be that time of year, and I don't 379 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: want anybody to kind of jump on me and attack 380 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 1: me or anything like that. I don't think anybody's trying 381 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: to trying to come up in attack. I could probably 382 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 1: handle a couple, but you know, once you start, it 383 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 1: might be you know, distraction. Then you got pick pocketers. Okay, Yeah, 384 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: twenties are good because there's it's sticking. They're breakable, They're 385 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: easily breakable. So I mean, you talked about a packet. 386 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 1: This is such a random question, and this is probably 387 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: you know, this could be a combine question. But I 388 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: was asked once in in college, would you rather fight? Um, shoot, 389 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: what is it? It's like a hundred one duck sized 390 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: horse or a hundred or the opposite. I I gotta 391 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: think of the The sounds like a real good question. 392 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: It's great Anthony was talking about by a pack a 393 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,959 Speaker 1: duck size, a duck sized horse or a hundred ducks? 394 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: Is that what it is? Hold on, but you'd rather 395 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 1: fight one horse sized duck or a hundred duck sized horses? 396 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: A hundred duck sized horses because you know, listen, you 397 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: get a big duck, they start bobbing their head and 398 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 1: poking with that big I don't want to do that 399 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: business because I'm not I'm not as quick. I feel 400 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: there's a quickness factor. I see them doing it when 401 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:47,719 Speaker 1: they're small and they can really jab and do their 402 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 1: different things. That's not my that's not my cup of tea. 403 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: So I feel like being tall and just have the 404 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: element of squashing. You know, I don't think that a 405 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: hundred duck sized horses. I'm glad, d D. I'm glad 406 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 1: not taking either. Um. Now, since you're working with the 407 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 1: tight ends here in Indianapolis, I would say right now, 408 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: if you're a Jets fan, you feel pretty comfortable where 409 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: you're at with the tight ends. Ryan Griffin came on, 410 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: you signed him to an extension, uh late in the season. 411 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: Chris Herndon basically had a lost year, but he should 412 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: come back a hundred percent for you. You mentioned tray 413 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 1: one West go before. The Jets also resigned Daniel Brown 414 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 1: so he will not enter free agency. So right now, 415 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: I look at the position and say a lot of depth. 416 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: I'm quite excited if I'm a fan about the tandem 417 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: of Griffin and Herndon. And I don't know if this 418 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: is a team that is going to be looking at 419 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: the tight end position through that first four or five 420 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,679 Speaker 1: round range. Yeah, I don't think so either. UM, you know, 421 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 1: you still gotta evaluate them and do those things. I 422 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: know coach Dunn has been around and I've seen him 423 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,239 Speaker 1: quite a bit. Uh, you know, just making sure they 424 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 1: do their homework on those tight ends. But you know, yeah, you're, 425 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: like you said, the fact that you're getting Herndon back 426 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: that that makes the group larger because he didn't start 427 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 1: the season and he wasn't healthy throughout the season. So 428 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: to have all those guys back, to have them healthy 429 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: and use those guys, you got a full gamut of 430 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: what you need. And then of course, as Westcoe got 431 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: some playing time more towards the end of the season, 432 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: he became a better player. I know they're very high 433 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: on him. They like what he brings to the table. 434 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: He is he's very physical, he's strong, he's aggressive on 435 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: the field, he's nasty, he's a finisher, and they just 436 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: you know, you can't find that out there. As I 437 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: look at the names in this draft, I don't know 438 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: if there's any of those guys that want to do that. 439 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: So that is, you know, and and plus he, like 440 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 1: you said, he can move around a little bit, run 441 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 1: some intomedia routes and do those things. So you know, 442 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: again another year under his belt where his head was 443 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: swimming early on the year. But and I think that's 444 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: good because they threw a lot at him where now 445 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: he'll you know, come into this season feeling a little better, 446 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,239 Speaker 1: feeling more confident. You should see a different player and 447 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: hopefully get more playing time and make that group a 448 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: whole lot better with those guys. Is it a leap 449 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: to think that if you do have a healthy Herndon, 450 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: I know he just played one professional season, but we 451 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: saw what Griffin was and that connection he established with 452 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: Sam Donald is a leape to say, hey, maybe this 453 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: could be one of the better one two punches in 454 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: the NFL at the position. Well, it's nice to have 455 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: two options to guys that can run routes. I mean, 456 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 1: obviously Ryan Griffin had I had a nice uh you know, 457 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: had some nice catches throughout the year, some red zone stuff, 458 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: which yeah, he was. I mean, he's a big kid. 459 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: You know, I didn't realize how you know, tall, he's 460 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: like a true sick just slightly with his six six right, 461 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: so he's like a true six six. So when you 462 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: see him, he's just like he's a towering guy. But yeah, 463 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 1: he's in a fishing blocker. He does. He did some 464 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: good stuff on the edge this year. He still runs well, 465 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: which is good, and uh, you know those things are good. 466 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: And then hern didn't look at you know, you just 467 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta get your act together as kind 468 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: of your you know where you're where you're gone right. 469 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: You don't want any distractions. You don't want to get suspending. 470 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 1: You wanna you know, you want to be on You 471 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: want to be where you need to be so we 472 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: can utilize you. The best ability we always talk about 473 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: is availability, and that's the biggest thing with Chris. Going 474 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 1: through an offseason, going through a trainee camp and being 475 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: able to start game one will do him great and 476 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 1: we can see some of the great things or more 477 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: of the great things that he showed from the year before. 478 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: So that'll be key. He's got to have a big year. 479 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: In my opinion, that's just because he should. I mean, 480 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: that's the kind of player that I think we all 481 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: think he is and that he needs to go out 482 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: there and show that, not prove it. We know we 483 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 1: can do. He just gotta do it now and be 484 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: available every week and continually, you know, grow that tandem, 485 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: not just between those two tight ends with the quarterback 486 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: for Trayvon westco to go through the draft, be drafted rookie, 487 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: mindee camp, training camp, like there's no downtime, and then, 488 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: like you said, you're thrown into the fire. And I 489 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 1: feel like most rookies are thrown into the fire like that. 490 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 1: So how much can he grow as a blocker from 491 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 1: year one to year two? Because at the end of 492 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: the season, John Dunne said he's progressed nicely. But to 493 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: finally have time to sit back, you know, relax a little, 494 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 1: then get back to work, how much more efficient do 495 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,199 Speaker 1: you think he can be as a blocker? Yeah, I 496 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: mean it comes down to when he when he understands 497 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: how to be a technician with his footwork and know 498 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: how to put it all together on impact. I mean, 499 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: everything else is there. I mean, when you do it 500 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: right and you're as aggressive and as a finisher as 501 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: he is, that's scary proposition. And you know coach Done 502 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,479 Speaker 1: knows that, and that's gonna be a big thing. I 503 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: know that for sure. I know guys that just are 504 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: extremely good. You know, they they're strong at the attack, 505 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: this and that, but they don't understand how to get 506 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: their feet go to their opponent get their footwork down 507 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: so they can put it all together. And when they 508 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: do that, those guys become elite. And it took me 509 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 1: a while to to to figure that out. I mean, 510 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 1: I thought I was a good blocker when I came out, 511 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: but quite honestly, I was. I was still behind because 512 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: I didn't know the technique. And then I learned it 513 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: my first year, second year, and the third year. All 514 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: of a sudden, now you start understanding. And of course 515 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: as we move forward, that was the master plan to 516 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: be that guy, because that gave me the extra years 517 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: of my career that I wanted. What do you like 518 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: most about Joe Douglas right now? And this is really 519 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: a start, uh the first professional offseason as general manager. 520 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: He got hired in June, and I know a lot 521 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: of people had problems with the timing externally, but Joe 522 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: has one on record to say it actually helped me 523 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: coming in because I was able to evaluate everything that 524 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: was going on for five six months, put my processes 525 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: in place. And now here's his first true offseason at GM. 526 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, you know he's never uh had a 527 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 1: draft class that he could call his own. I mean, 528 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: this is his first opportunity. He has worked his way 529 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 1: up from ground zero all the way up to where 530 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: he is now. He learned as an area scout, he 531 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: learned as a as a now a regional scout. Then 532 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: he moved the national and then he got the different areas. 533 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 1: And then you talk about the teams he was with 534 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: and their success, you know, being around, uh, the Baltimore 535 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 1: Ravens and the success they had there, and then bouncing 536 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: over to the Philadelphia Eagles, learning from Howie Roseman and 537 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: all those kind of guys in those pieces, and now 538 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 1: you're finally ready and you're right. At the time, it 539 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: was scary what what the Jets were gonna do with 540 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 1: the general managup is, But the fact they we're able 541 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: to get a guy like him was a bonus. I 542 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 1: think a lot of people's mindset and thought process changed 543 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: when they actually got him, Like, all right, it wasn't 544 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: as bad as we thought. Is this guy is gonna 545 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 1: be a legit guy. So now I'm excited to see 546 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: how he goes. And I think the one thing where 547 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,679 Speaker 1: we've always kind of been pressed upon him is he's about, 548 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,479 Speaker 1: you know, inside out, building a team inside out, So 549 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,479 Speaker 1: like I'm all about that because I think, you know, 550 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: there's a lot of skilled players out there that can 551 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 1: help football teams. But if you don't have the interior guys, 552 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: a defensive line, the offensive lineman to get those guys 553 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: where they need to go, whether it's through holes as 554 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: a back, or protection to get balls to the receiver 555 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: or the the help protect the quarterback, you're out. You're 556 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: out of luck. So, uh we saw a little movement 557 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,360 Speaker 1: obviously last year with some guys bringing some lineman in 558 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 1: Lewis and whatnot. Uh So, I think this is gonna be, 559 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 1: you know, with this draft heavy with a lot of 560 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: guys like that, and of course there are some free agents. 561 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know how the money's gonna be spent. 562 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 1: You know, if I'm the general manager or I'm going 563 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: to use the the chunk of the change if I 564 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: can have got an interior guy. There's shirts out there, 565 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: there's guys where you know, are are really good guys. 566 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: You just gotta do your homework. You know, some guys 567 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 1: are coming off injuries, some guys you know, where are 568 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: they and it doesn't make it reasonable enough to spend money. 569 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: And of course you know with free agency guys, we 570 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: all know, we you tend to overspend because you know, 571 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: it's just like those guys are kind of available, you're 572 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 1: putting spots, and uh, that's the importance of a free agency, 573 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,199 Speaker 1: right it is you can get sometimes you get a 574 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,640 Speaker 1: starter in that second tier, that initial wave. You have 575 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: to overspend otherwise you're not getting. And those skill positions 576 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 1: sometimes are a little easier to find. That when you're 577 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: talking about Lyneman being across the league, that there's not 578 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: many good ones, let alone the depth those guys get 579 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: sucked up. So you don't really find guys hanging around, 580 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: right you got you know, even free agency, it is like, man, 581 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 1: if you can't hang on them, then you must have 582 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 1: a really good line if you can't hang onto a guy, 583 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: right So, and that really is the problem the issue. 584 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: So they normally have something like a nagging injury or 585 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: this and that, and they're just trying to cut bait 586 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: on that salary. So you just got to be I've 587 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 1: seen it go bad sometimes and and obviously you know 588 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: Joe's seen at all. I mean he's been at those 589 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: those things when those free agency times have gone, and 590 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 1: those teams that he's with had to get those kind 591 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: of linemen. He's got that experience watching it and it 592 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: will be key obviously with free agency wherever they go, 593 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: and of course in the draft as well. You cover 594 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 1: college football throughout the season, so just keeping keeping this 595 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: on the offensive line. Talk how many of the top 596 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: tackles have you seen live? Between Jedrick Wills out of Alabama, 597 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 1: Tristan Worfs Iowa, McKay Beckton out of Louisville, and then 598 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: Andrew Thomas out of Georgia. I saw all of them. 599 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: I saw Thomas twice this year. I saw him last 600 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: year twice. Um worse Okay, I saw him uh twice 601 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: as well this year and last year. He's my favorite guy. 602 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: I like him not. Thomas to me is just a 603 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 1: road grade animal and that's great, but you I do 604 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 1: need a guy that is smooth all the way around, 605 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: and I just feel like, you know that worse is 606 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: I'm excited to see him works at the COM mean, 607 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: there's some athletic dudes and that are gonna be doing 608 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 1: these drills. You know. Beckton's kind of that wow, like 609 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 1: we've never seen a guy this big. You know, what 610 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: is it? What's his met six? I mean that's you know, 611 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: you think about it like it's kind of like a 612 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: pony show kind of thing. But he's like a legit 613 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: dude who's very athletic as well basketball player, uh coming up. 614 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,959 Speaker 1: I mean he did all kinds of athletic stuff like 615 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: off the field, like people would talk about at campus 616 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: at Lowellville and uh, you know, again, he's kind of 617 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: one of those I don't know if he's a wild 618 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: card because there's there's proven things that he's done. But 619 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: I know, I don't know. I just I've seen him. 620 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: I've seen him literally like just fold dudes up and finished. 621 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: I mean, so he's got that in him. But he's 622 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: in that. He's in that world, man. I mean, he's 623 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: got really good tape. And then you know you talked 624 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: about the the Bama tackle. I mean those guys are 625 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: good Jones from Houston. Guys got like I've seen him 626 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: twice this year as well. Guys got like I think, 627 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: started every game in a Houston uniform. And the experience 628 00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: is awesome. And you can get guys that played a 629 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: lot of games. Um, you see Austin Jackson at all 630 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: out of USC. Austin Jackson did not have USC. UM 631 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: I had USC when we had a doga came out, 632 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: so I got to see a little bit of him. So, 633 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: you know, again I won't dig too deep on those 634 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: tab but those guys you're all talking about are in 635 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: the conversation. Uh potentially for the Jets and a lot 636 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: of other teams that they those guys may get, you know, 637 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: pushed up a little higher. What do you like about 638 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: works that makes him your top guy or your favorite? Well, 639 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: you know, any time you're coming from IHA, you're you're 640 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: coming from a program that technically you're doing things that 641 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: NFL teams doing the run game. You know, they really 642 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: haven't gone towards the spread runs, so there's not a 643 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: lot of the sideways, you know, not a lot of 644 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: the you know, not attacking your opponent. They're still doing 645 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: power runs. They're still doing uh you know, full zone 646 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: inside zone runs. You gotta literally you gotta step forward 647 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: and attack guys. So technical, technically wise, he's gonna be 648 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: very very strong. But athleticism, why pass set People talk 649 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: about his arms are short? I don't know what short arms? 650 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if you're if you never give 651 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: up a sack and you're protecting the whole time, and 652 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: what the heck is the difference, and he's going against 653 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: epinessa is at a very highly rated defensive end for Iowa. 654 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: He's going against him every every day, right and they've 655 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: had several defensive linemen come out the last couple of 656 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: years that have been uh in the draft that are 657 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: playing in the NFL. So I just, you know, I 658 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: think all around, he's just a special player and uh, 659 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: you know, he's gonna open some eyes even more at 660 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: the combine because big guys doing those kind of things 661 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: are are interesting. What do you think a better suited 662 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: for Thomas? You mentioned he's a road grader. You like 663 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: him on the right side, Uh, yeah, I do. I 664 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: mean I think works two on the right side initially, 665 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, uh those are guys that kind of 666 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: come in and you can play that position, but you 667 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: know they're not limited to the left side. But you know, 668 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: Thomas is just a guy that just literally is just 669 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: trying to if you're trying to improve your run game, 670 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: He's gonna be a good pass protector. But occasionally he's 671 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: gonna you know, those speed guys are you know, he's 672 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: gonna have to work through that, and it's fine. I mean, 673 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: you know, he's done it well and he's done it 674 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: poorly sometimes, but you know, you know, to me, running 675 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: game is an important part of this equation too. For 676 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: the Jets. When you got a guy like Bell on 677 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: your team, you gotta find ways to open up whole 678 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: so we can get him into the second one you 679 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: want to restricted free agents for the Jets? What jumps 680 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: out at you the most because when you were talking, 681 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: when you we're talking about tackles and you're seeing worse man, 682 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: Maybe Thomas is potentially right tackles. Maybe the Jets resign 683 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: a guy like a Calvin Beecham and short term he 684 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: still is your left tackle. Who knows, but he's at 685 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: u f a uh. Jordan Jenkins fifteen secs the last 686 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: two years playing strong side linebacker for you. Um, he's 687 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: an unrestricted free agent, Robbie Anderson, he might be the 688 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: most coveted, young, talented receiver on the market. If Amurray 689 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: Cooper indeed does stay in Dallas, UM, you have a 690 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: lot of interesting decisions to make in the house before 691 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: you get the march A team. Well, you know, listen, 692 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: you obviously you want to try to keep Robbie if 693 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: you can. The market will dictate if you can or 694 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: not right, because you do have other things you have 695 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: to find for this football team. There are some other 696 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: receivers out there that that are good, but you're talking 697 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: about youth explosiveness. You know, Joe was talking about guys 698 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: that you know just play man. He's one of he 699 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: fits that equation. And you know, like we talked about, 700 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: there are there is gonna be a uh you know, 701 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: free agency tends to overpay guys and if other teams 702 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 1: are out there throwing around some money and he's in 703 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: that upper you know, like you said, Mark Cooper is 704 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: probably going back to Dallas. A J. Green is another 705 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: guy up there, but you know he's coming off injury 706 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: and he's older. I mean, you know, where do you 707 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 1: want to put your money? And I don't know if 708 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: that that makes a lot of sense, uh for the 709 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: Jets just just who do they just sign? Um? Yeah? 710 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: Young guy? You know, maybe sometimes another place is better 711 00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: for a guy. I mean, I like that kid coming 712 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: out of college. I really did just never really panned 713 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: out in Washington whatever it maybe so you know, maybe 714 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: he can come here and be a difference and you 715 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: got him kind of you know, per se on the cheap, 716 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 1: which is good. So uh, you know, look, I I 717 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: would think, I look, I'm gonna try to get Robbie back, 718 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: And the only reason why I wouldn't is because someone 719 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: is offering him an an outlandish contract. And you know 720 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: he's gonna have a little leverage there as a player 721 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: because there should be another team that that wants him 722 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: to come back. Now you talk about the offensive line, 723 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: I think that's a kind of uh, you know, go 724 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: as it as it comes up kind of thing. Let's 725 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: see what the free agency is available, let's go through 726 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: the draft, and then what can we accumulate from there. 727 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: And now we'll start saying, Okay, well you know why 728 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: we gotta keep this guy. We don't have to keep 729 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: this guy. And I think with Calvin Beacham, that's where 730 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: you are. Good player. You know you can count on 731 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: this and that, but you know you may be able 732 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: to get something a little different moving forward. So you know, 733 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 1: I think there's no rush on him in the in 734 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: the in the fact that you do have some other 735 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: things happening before before and see what happens, but that 736 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: line is gonna look a lot different no matter what happens. Uh. Lastly, 737 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: I just wanted to get your thoughts on the wide 738 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: receiver position because that's been the talk at Indie here 739 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 1: for a couple of days. This is one of the 740 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:14,439 Speaker 1: most deep talented classes that I can remember. You're talking 741 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,399 Speaker 1: about guys like Jerry, Judy, Henry Ruggs, um Ceedee, Lamb. 742 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: He might be the first wide receiver that comes off 743 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,479 Speaker 1: the board. You could have as many as six, maybe 744 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,919 Speaker 1: seven receivers first round. I don't know, they're talking about 745 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,479 Speaker 1: twenty receivers in the first three rounds as we're talking. 746 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: Pull up the list of those guys that are here 747 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: on the combine. Yeah, because but I'll talk about the guy. 748 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,719 Speaker 1: I think the consensus who I've talked to here at 749 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: the combine, I think everybody thinks that Judy is the guy. 750 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 1: They think that he's the primed receiver that if they 751 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: were to throw their their pick at and they need 752 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 1: a receiver in that market, will get him. Lamb is 753 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: another guy. Again, he's very close, he's very talented, and 754 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: you know, if that's the guy that they end up 755 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 1: getting because he's going, then they'd be very happy with 756 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 1: him as well. Um, it is a deep class. Uh. 757 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: You know, there's multiple receivers. You know, l s U 758 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 1: has a pretty good receiver. He's not bad. I mean, 759 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: you know, I think we saw a lot of him 760 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:10,760 Speaker 1: this year and I'm telling you now he's pretty too. 761 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 1: He can dominate from the inside too. Yeah you know 762 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: that that's that's impressive. So that this list is alphabetical, unfortunately, 763 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:24,320 Speaker 1: but like Brandon Aiyu popular name. Okay, so here's so 764 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: like a guy like uh, you know Limboden. Okay, he 765 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: let me scan this for you. So second, so like 766 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: a guy like Limbo and you wouldn't think, but he's 767 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,320 Speaker 1: like one of the more dynamic players in the SEC. 768 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: Think about an atom Rando. Well that kind of a player, 769 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: a guy like um, you know, a Tasom Hill kind 770 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: of guy. He can do that. He's gonna be a 771 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: guy that I think may go higher than people think 772 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 1: because he's got that skill set that he can run, 773 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: passing and really catch. So that that those are things 774 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,800 Speaker 1: are good. Uh. We talked about the Chase clay pool 775 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: pool kid from Notre Dame. Weighed in at two or 776 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: thirty eight pounds. Starting to look like a hybrid kind 777 00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: of tight end guy. So now you're talking about man, 778 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 1: we can have him. Put him in the slot and 779 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 1: he could be super dangerous. He's a mismatch problem if 780 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 1: a linebacker has to cover him game over, and then 781 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 1: the safety is a challenge because he's a bigger guy 782 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 1: height and weight wise. Uh. The guy from Minnesota Johnson 783 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:21,359 Speaker 1: Tyler Johnson to me, I think that dude is he's 784 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: a really really good player. I think he's underrated. Uh, 785 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 1: he's as smooth as they came. I watched him in 786 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: that Bowl game against All Burn and he just annihilated them. 787 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,359 Speaker 1: They couldn't cover him. And I think he's a guy 788 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,800 Speaker 1: to me where he goes. Uh, he is gonna be 789 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: a guy to to to think about moving forward for there. 790 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: So those are a couple of guys I think off 791 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 1: the top of my head. I like den Denzel Min's 792 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,239 Speaker 1: Baylor kid. Yeah he's a good Yeah, he's a he's 793 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,320 Speaker 1: got great size, he's a great blocker, and he's a 794 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,280 Speaker 1: big time playmaker down the field. People Jones, kJ Hamler 795 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 1: and Michael Pittman. I mean, there's like a stupid amount 796 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,399 Speaker 1: of James prochet s m U you don't need probably 797 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,320 Speaker 1: went in front of and that guy had a special season. 798 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 1: Jalen reagor TC. You had a good year. So it's deep, 799 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 1: and you know how it starts. You know, one guy 800 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: goes and then all of a sudden, the dominos go 801 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: oh and you know, I mean here's another guy Colorado. 802 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,839 Speaker 1: You know, he probably thinks he's the best receiver, uh 803 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 1: coming out of the draft. So look, if you need one, 804 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 1: and the Jets are in the market for it potentially, 805 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 1: but you're here in Judy's the top of this. Yeah, 806 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 1: that I would say the consensus ceedee lamb maybe right 807 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 1: yeah right there. Yeah, and then you know, look, it 808 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 1: could be it could be any of those guys going next. 809 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 1: And we're hearing Tyreek Hill comparisons for uh yeah, yeah, 810 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,759 Speaker 1: I mean that's that's another burner. Yeah, another burner. So 811 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,839 Speaker 1: you know you've got speed guys that can catch. You know, look, man, 812 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,319 Speaker 1: if you're looking for explosive weapons, this is the year 813 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 1: to get it. And if you're looking for some tackles, 814 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 1: alignment guys that you know, you feel good, you think 815 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: you think ultimately the Jets data loving that will be 816 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:53,439 Speaker 1: the decision. Attackle or receiver. Yeah, I'm taking I'm taking 817 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,320 Speaker 1: alignments you are. That's just me. But I would especially 818 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: given the depth of this class, right, yeah, like that. 819 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 1: Do you think that play he's a factor? Of course, 820 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,840 Speaker 1: I think so. Yeah. I think if you do your homework, 821 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: you know, you get your scouts, you can get a 822 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,399 Speaker 1: receiver in a second, real productive guy. I hope, Yeah, 823 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 1: I think you can. I mean absolutely. Alright, well man, 824 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,919 Speaker 1: thanks for coming on the podcast here in India. Everything here, Yeah, 825 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,880 Speaker 1: this is great. Yeah, and we didn't even get to 826 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 1: the three cone number that I had, but we'll put 827 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,840 Speaker 1: it out there. But that's a six nine three cone 828 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,800 Speaker 1: um that's I mean, yeah, google it. It's it's like 829 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 1: it's like impressive. I mean, receiver. If receivers likes if 830 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,480 Speaker 1: if receivers get six nine four, like, teams will be 831 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: really happy about that. Think about that. I did it 832 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 1: at two d seventy pounds, so that's like, you know, 833 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,479 Speaker 1: next level stuff. It's a lead stuff. But I trained, 834 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 1: I trained for those things, you know, like, oh, well 835 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 1: didn't match up the way, but well yeah, you know, 836 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 1: sometimes it does. But I was able to just prepare 837 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 1: myself for that and ultimately help me DK metcalf. I'm 838 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 1: just using this as an example because he had a 839 00:38:55,120 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 1: bad one. You didn't even touch me and his shuttle 840 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,360 Speaker 1: is a four or five. That's a that's a disgrace. 841 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 1: But he's a good player. Well, he is a good player. 842 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:11,920 Speaker 1: Do you see the comparison here on the tweet? Wow, 843 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,319 Speaker 1: speaking of the underwear Olympics and one of the worst. 844 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 1: That all right, that's how we're ending the Official Jets 845 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,279 Speaker 1: Podcast powered by Amazon Web Services. You think you think 846 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,160 Speaker 1: he's going to be back in New England bonus bonus content. 847 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, okay, so what are you hearing. I 848 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,360 Speaker 1: think there's a legitimate chance, stronger than people think that 849 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,280 Speaker 1: he may leave. I initially thought that that's not happening. 850 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 1: But there's a there's a there's a small bug in 851 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,759 Speaker 1: the air that says that there potentially is a team 852 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 1: in the market for him. And I'm say, hey, get out, 853 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,279 Speaker 1: get out of town. If that's good, you know, for 854 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,440 Speaker 1: for for Jets fans, right, let's go take that. Take that. 855 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,399 Speaker 1: But if that bug's right there, there may be one 856 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 1: team in the market. And uh, I think he's he's 857 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 1: thinking long and hard about it. And if the Patriots, 858 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,400 Speaker 1: obviously you're gonna do everything you can they keep them, 859 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 1: but there may be one alright, miss no charge. I 860 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna be charges all right. No mystery 861 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: is how we end here on the Official Jets Podcast 862 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,440 Speaker 1: powered by Amazon Web Services. Anthony, thanks a lot and 863 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 1: good luck to your thanks and your tight ends.