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Speaker 1: hundred days, which seems like a lot of time, but
Speaker 1: really we got a lot to do, a lot to
Speaker 1: get to. Also want to introduce h David Hellman, who's
Speaker 1: going to come along with us again on this journey.
Speaker 1: Tiny Jim. We've got one hundred days or so to
Speaker 1: the draft, but given the way that Cowboys season win
Speaker 1: feels like we've been waiting for this to start for
Speaker 1: about one hundred days. Yeah, I think that's where the uh.
Speaker 1: I think that's where once the the we were cheering
Speaker 1: for chaos, we got chaos. We didn't get any wins
Speaker 1: in the chaos, and that's the that's the problem. So,
Speaker 1: as Jerry Jones said, though you deserve this pick, and uh,
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Speaker 1: following at the Draft show and submit it there. So, gentlemen,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get right into this. Yeah, I'm gonna make
Speaker 1: this happen. And Dave, you're starting to do some work
Speaker 1: with me on watching some tape. Dane has been at
Speaker 1: this for the majority of the year. I'm about one
Speaker 1: hundred players in my self. Once, like I say, the
Speaker 1: season started going south, I said, better spending my time
Speaker 1: doing something that was going to mean better things down
Speaker 1: the road. UM. I want to look at though, these
Speaker 1: position groups staying and I'll start with you. And as
Speaker 1: you've dove into this draft is you're full on it.
Speaker 1: The position groups that maybe might have the most depth.
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about what the Cowboys minding. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying from a from a standpoint of the guys
Speaker 1: you've seen, where do you see Maybe I don't want
Speaker 1: to use the word value but where is there some
Speaker 1: depth at these positions? So as we get started, we
Speaker 1: can focus on those positions, and we're seeing a lot
Speaker 1: of underclassmen come out, which is n's what you said about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're almost to one hundred and we still have three
Speaker 1: days until the deadline. Monday is the deadline for these juniors,
Speaker 1: and we still have a few guys to hear from
Speaker 1: the Alabama guys. But looking at defensive tackle, to me,
Speaker 1: going in this is the deepest position. We're gonna have
Speaker 1: more defensive tackles drafted top fifty than likely any other position.
Speaker 1: You're looking at it at the top with guys like
Speaker 1: a Shawan Robinson, Kim Dchi from Mole miss who is
Speaker 1: a top ten talent in class, might not be a
Speaker 1: top ten football player, so he's gonna be interesting to watch.
Speaker 1: Andrew Billings, the Baylor kids. You're on Reid, I mean
Speaker 1: you can go on and on Austin Johnson. I know,
Speaker 1: you really like, there's so many players in this draft
Speaker 1: at the defensive tackle position, so it's a really interesting spot.
Speaker 1: And then quarterback, you know we don't have that. We
Speaker 1: don't have a Jameis Winston this year. We don't have
Speaker 1: a Marcus Mariotte. If those two were in this draft,
Speaker 1: I think they would go one and two. Okay, but
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean there's not a talent a quarterback, right,
Speaker 1: And there's a couple of guys at the top. I'm intriguing,
Speaker 1: guys like Jared Goff Carson Wentz a personal favorite of mine,
Speaker 1: so him live at the last week YESS Championship. He
Speaker 1: was impressive and the Cowboys will get a chance to
Speaker 1: coach him the Senior Bowl coming up. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: as good exposure as you could possibly have to a quarterback,
Speaker 1: especially one from the FCS level. So the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: a leg up there. But then also in the middle
Speaker 1: later rounds, we could see over a dozen quarterbacks draft
Speaker 1: this year. We were earlier, guys like Dak prescott Um,
Speaker 1: you know, Jeff Driscoll, Kevin Hoak, And there's a lot
Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks that might not be starters, but good
Speaker 1: death guys you can find in the middle late rounds. Yeah.
Speaker 1: How about though, Dave. You know, Dane brought up and
Speaker 1: I agree with him about these defensive tackles. That's when
Speaker 1: you say that, No, I know it. It's a serious
Speaker 1: group of defensive tackles. Now, I'm gonna shift it. I hear,
Speaker 1: I might say, well, it's we'll not have a cowboy
Speaker 1: influence here, but I'll give you a cowboy influence. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, how can you not think about the Cowboys
Speaker 1: when you hear that? Though, I mean, Dane gave you
Speaker 1: a lot of names that are potential one techniques, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but the history of the Cowboys say, this team refuses
Speaker 1: to draft a defensive tackle, like they just won't do it.
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm very intrigued to hear that. I mean,
Speaker 1: we've always I mean, they've got their three. Even if
Speaker 1: you're disappointed with what Tyrone Crawford did with the bumb
Speaker 1: shoulder this year. I mean they gave him seven eight
Speaker 1: million dollars a year. He's your three going forward. Terrell
Speaker 1: McLean's still here for another year. Trust him, though you
Speaker 1: can't know. I'm just I'm just kind of set. But
Speaker 1: you know, we're trying to got me and then a
Speaker 1: whole lot of I don't know, Nick Nick Aiden's a
Speaker 1: free agent. Don't feel particularly good about any of the
Speaker 1: guys that they brought in in that situation. But like
Speaker 1: I said, I mean, they didn't want Sharif Floyd they
Speaker 1: didn't want. Well, they might have drafted Carl Davis last year,
Speaker 1: but he got taken off their board right at the death.
Speaker 1: But they just as badly as we've talked about defensive
Speaker 1: tackle and as many fans have wanted a defensive tacks
Speaker 1: in the last three or four years, yeah, they won't
Speaker 1: do it, especially at one technique, which leads me, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just having a hard time believing that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: are going to take a defensive tackle with a top
Speaker 1: fifty pick. Yeah, there's not one. You there's not one
Speaker 1: of those guys you would take it at four. No, no, not.
Speaker 1: But see that's what I'm saying though. That's where I'm
Speaker 1: starting to say, now if you if you want to
Speaker 1: And the second position that Dane brought up was quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: So we'll get to the quarterback part of it though,
Speaker 1: but these one time at thirty four, I think, Dane
Speaker 1: and correct me if I'm wrong. Just looking at the
Speaker 1: way some of these grouping ships set up. Again, if
Speaker 1: you want a receiver, and we didn't, we reladn't touch
Speaker 1: into receivers, A lot of a lot of people are talking,
Speaker 1: oh that could the Cowboys go for receiver, though at
Speaker 1: thirty four you're gonna have a decision to have to
Speaker 1: make about potentially maybe a corner, maybe a receiver, but
Speaker 1: the defensive tackle that one technique might be the best
Speaker 1: value for if you're a Cowboy fan. That's right in
Speaker 1: the range that Malcolm Brown went last year, and he's
Speaker 1: having a pretty strong rookie season for the Patriots, if
Speaker 1: I recall. Sure, So, yeah, I mean I think that
Speaker 1: would be great. I think there's a lot of people
Speaker 1: listening who think that would be great. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you can think back to the past two or three drafts.
Speaker 1: But the track record makes me dubious that it would happen.
Speaker 1: Might depend on who goes for you know, if they
Speaker 1: get maybe they want a playmaker at four, and then
Speaker 1: they'll feel a lot better about taking a one technique
Speaker 1: at thirty four, Right, So you know with the fourth pick,
Speaker 1: it's not hard. Yeah, you put there's four your four
Speaker 1: best players in this draft on your board, You're guaranteed
Speaker 1: to get one of them, absolutely, And that's what you
Speaker 1: should be excited about it. That's what you look like,
Speaker 1: that's what you look at at the fourth pick, and
Speaker 1: then you know that's when Thursday's over, you come back
Speaker 1: on Friday. You have the third pick in the second
Speaker 1: round as of right now, Um, and if an Austin
Speaker 1: Johnson from Penn State, I'm liking what he's saying right now,
Speaker 1: I'm liking Austin Johnson a lot. We turned we wanted
Speaker 1: to watch Carl NASSEIV the other night, right and you
Speaker 1: and you totally just gave up on Carl Nason and
Speaker 1: was just watching Austin Johnson, Like, yes, this guy is
Speaker 1: a monster, but he was the type of guy though
Speaker 1: that And what did you see though from from Austin Johnson, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't normally see from the one technique
Speaker 1: out here a guy getting off blocks and getting into
Speaker 1: the backfield, which, honestly, I think Nick Hayden is an
Speaker 1: underrated player for what he is. That's fair, for what
Speaker 1: he is that which is not. He doesn't like me
Speaker 1: too much, you know he doesn't. But he's a He's
Speaker 1: not a playmaker, but he does his job. I don't
Speaker 1: think he deserves deserves half the flack that he gets
Speaker 1: from people, especially I mean, he's not an expensive guy.
Speaker 1: He's a role player type of guy. All of that said,
Speaker 1: I mean this look that would be like a clear
Speaker 1: upgrade if you had two defensive tackles, can't you capable
Speaker 1: of doing a little bit more than just taking up space?
Speaker 1: Which is kind of what Nica and with Austin Johnson.
Speaker 1: The production matches the tape. I mean, he had seventy
Speaker 1: eight tackles this year, which is outstanding for a one technique.
Speaker 1: A guy that's supposed to clog the middle open things
Speaker 1: up for the rest of the defense. And so I
Speaker 1: think you have a mix of power, quickness awareness. My
Speaker 1: only question is is he going to be there at
Speaker 1: thirty four? Sure? I mean, he's such a fair talented player,
Speaker 1: and he will be at the Senior Bowl, right and
Speaker 1: there's a good chance of cowboys will be coaching him.
Speaker 1: So I think we could be in a position where
Speaker 1: he's gonna end up going first round. But if he's
Speaker 1: there at thirty four, that's a no brainer to me.
Speaker 1: That's a hijack. I mean, I know you good. It
Speaker 1: seems like the Senior Bowl roster is absolutely loaded compared
Speaker 1: to even is. I mean, like last year, a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago, it was there were a lot of
Speaker 1: guys there. I've like last year, I just remember being
Speaker 1: about Oh, I'm stoked. But I remember last year feeling
Speaker 1: kind of underwhelmed the about the talent on hand, not
Speaker 1: that there weren't good players there, but two years ago
Speaker 1: we got the Za, the Zack Moreack Martin and Donald matchup.
Speaker 1: But I mean last like last year, and I mean, granted,
Speaker 1: he's been a good player for the Packers, but like
Speaker 1: Quinton Rollins was a guy that we were talking a
Speaker 1: lot about, Whereas this year you got like four real
Speaker 1: deal quarterback prospects. Austin Johnson, Yeah, uh, Carson Wentz like
Speaker 1: there's I mean, there's yeah, you guys gotta be a league.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd say there's probably what like six to
Speaker 1: ten first round caliber players and at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: And maybe the biggest thing I'm worried about is we
Speaker 1: still have a week to go, and this is where
Speaker 1: we see some guys out. Yeah. I reported last week
Speaker 1: Connor Cook declined his invitation right on that you won't
Speaker 1: be in Mobile. So I am worried about. We're gonna
Speaker 1: see some roster fluctuation here in the next week. Hopefully,
Speaker 1: you know, we don't take too much of a hit
Speaker 1: to the Senior Bowl roster, because you're right it's absolutely
Speaker 1: load and I think the name to watch it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a hot name in mobiles. Noah Spense. Yeah, former
Speaker 1: Ohio state pass rusher, Eastern Kentucky. He has his baggage.
Speaker 1: But I've done a lot of work on this kid,
Speaker 1: you know, off the field and on the field. People
Speaker 1: still still talk really highly about so and and Dane's
Speaker 1: giving you a little preview next week when we have
Speaker 1: the draft show on Friday, We're gonna get full on
Speaker 1: into going through the roster, breaking down both teams tell
Speaker 1: you who you need to look at. So stay tuned
Speaker 1: for that next week though, want to get into Okay,
Speaker 1: you've talked a little bit, how about this opening a
Speaker 1: show with one techniques? That's Isn't that crazy? That's what?
Speaker 1: But that's good though, because that's yeah, that's that's the
Speaker 1: draft show we're gonna cover. We're talking about We're not
Speaker 1: gonna go right to quarterbacks. We'll talk about one techniques. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would give me here one technique. Let me let
Speaker 1: me ask you though about a lot of people have
Speaker 1: talked about Dane. These receivers, and we'll get to the
Speaker 1: quarterbacks too. I want to get you know, we'll go
Speaker 1: plenty of times on three and a half months. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's the great. Yeah, but I just want to
Speaker 1: get into though, these these wide receivers though a little
Speaker 1: bit though, you know, and and and and where you know,
Speaker 1: usually it's one, two, three, maybe first round guys maybe
Speaker 1: not so much of how you're thinking about in this
Speaker 1: draft is it is it clearly tread Well, and then
Speaker 1: it is everything else. I think tread Well is that
Speaker 1: clear cut number one guy at the receiver and he's
Speaker 1: the only guy I see as a lock first rounder, right,
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of talented players we could see
Speaker 1: go in the back half around one. Corey Coleman from Baylor,
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas, Ohio State, Josh Stockson Thomas, Ohio State. A
Speaker 1: little bit though, yeah, and so we could see him
Speaker 1: in the back half a round one, But wouldn't shock
Speaker 1: me if they're both available at the early part of
Speaker 1: round two as well. So this is a draft where
Speaker 1: you can get some talented wide receivers at that thirty
Speaker 1: fourth pick or that early second round. Will Fuller from
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. Yeah, he'll run right past you. So there,
Speaker 1: you know, if we want to address the wide receiver position,
Speaker 1: Treadwell is going to be really appealing at the fourth pick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we talk about we talk about it. Hold on. You
Speaker 1: know last year Maury Cooper goes top five, right, Is
Speaker 1: he as good as a Maray Cooper? No, but he's different.
Speaker 1: He's not that type of receiver. I think he's better
Speaker 1: than Kevin White. Was there. You go, who was a
Speaker 1: seventh pick last year? You go, um, And you know
Speaker 1: people want to compare him to the draft two years
Speaker 1: ago with Sammy Watkins, Michael Evans, Beckham. You know that
Speaker 1: draft class that was his outstanding for wide receivers. You know,
Speaker 1: you have to look at this guy on his zone
Speaker 1: and in this draft he's worth that fourth pick. You
Speaker 1: can make an argument he's a fourth best player and
Speaker 1: he's I think the biggest argument might be, is he
Speaker 1: too similar to Dez Bryant, because that's where you know,
Speaker 1: you compare their strength, and they're, you know, so similar
Speaker 1: with the way they attacked the ball, their ball skills,
Speaker 1: just their physical strength and treadwall. It doesn't even turn
Speaker 1: twenty one until June. He's just a very he's a
Speaker 1: young pup, but he's gonna come in and contribute right
Speaker 1: away as both a blocker and as his running block.
Speaker 1: He's outstanding. He's soft spoken off the field. On the field,
Speaker 1: I loved that more than I liked any of the
Speaker 1: catches he made. Yeah, he just dominates people. What did
Speaker 1: you like that Dane said about his personality. I believe
Speaker 1: the exact quote Dane used was, he's Dez Bryant with
Speaker 1: an off switch. Yeah, so explain that a little bit there, Scout.
Speaker 1: He's uh, you see him on the field, you see
Speaker 1: him on tape. Yeah, he's just he plays like des Bryant.
Speaker 1: He plays with that absolutely, that fearlessness play. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: is the way they attack the ball. And they don't
Speaker 1: neither have that blazing speed. They're not gonna run the
Speaker 1: four in a four to three in the forty yard dash,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't matter if they're covered because they're still
Speaker 1: open right the way they can attack the ball. But
Speaker 1: off the field, he's very respectful. Uh, he's a very
Speaker 1: soft spoken kid. He's a very family oriented kid. He
Speaker 1: has a young daughter. Um, So everything I you know
Speaker 1: I've heard about him and then I've talked to coaches
Speaker 1: about him is he's a very very reserved personality field.
Speaker 1: So I think that's where that off on switch right,
Speaker 1: That's that's good insight. Though you watch that tape and
Speaker 1: you went nuts. Your goal, both of you. What I
Speaker 1: want from you over the next three and a half
Speaker 1: months is to give me the talk me out of it,
Speaker 1: because that's where I'm at right I'm not sure I
Speaker 1: want you to pushing it all in right now, I'm
Speaker 1: all in. I like, I like Miles Jack and I'm
Speaker 1: I'm that's another one. I talk. I'm being hyperbolic right now,
Speaker 1: like I'm kidding around sort of, But no, you're not.
Speaker 1: He's a monster, He's a beast. He makes the team
Speaker 1: immediately better. He secures your passing game. I mean, and hey,
Speaker 1: whether you draft a quarterback, sign a quarterback, whether Romo
Speaker 1: plays for two more years or five more years, as
Speaker 1: happy as you are, that's about that huge security. Imagine
Speaker 1: Tony's I mean, because that's you have a small window
Speaker 1: with Tony Romo coming up. Oh sure you go get
Speaker 1: that target, Go get that guy, forget forget Tony Romo.
Speaker 1: Imagine Kellen Moore or Colt McCoy or Johnny Manzell's reaction
Speaker 1: if they're like, hey, you gotta go play quarterback because
Speaker 1: Romo's out, But you got Dez in Lakwan. So let's
Speaker 1: go get some first downs. Sure, soe me then on
Speaker 1: is since we talked about some of the one techniques
Speaker 1: at thirty four, though, sell me on a second round
Speaker 1: receiver though at the top of it, and you talked
Speaker 1: about Michael Thomas for a while, I would staying I
Speaker 1: think he's a first I think he's gonna I think
Speaker 1: he's definitely gonna be a guy that it's gonna go
Speaker 1: off the board, you know, before the Cowboys get back
Speaker 1: around in the second round. But give me a couple
Speaker 1: of second round options though. If I don't. If I do,
Speaker 1: go okay, I go say a dude, go Miles Jack
Speaker 1: in the first and then I turn aroun round and
Speaker 1: hit somebody there at thirty four or the top of
Speaker 1: the second round. If somebody's listening from one of those teams,
Speaker 1: it's uh, it's with us today. Let's say that treadwill
Speaker 1: goes early, and then let's say Michael Thomas and Corey
Speaker 1: Coleman both go in a later half of round one.
Speaker 1: So you're looking at Josh Dackson to tcu RD, who
Speaker 1: you know, unfortunately heard his risk, but he plans on
Speaker 1: playing in mobile we'll see about that a Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: I'm glad he's going though, by the way, I'm glad
Speaker 1: he's gonna be there. Absolutely, he has a lot to prove.
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at a TCU offense, limited route tree,
Speaker 1: he still has a lot to prove. One of my
Speaker 1: favorite guys this year Farrell Cooper out of South Carolina.
Speaker 1: Now we're talking, this is to me this year's version
Speaker 1: of a Randall Cobb. Yeah. A versatile athlete can beat
Speaker 1: you in a lot of ways. Uh. He took a
Speaker 1: lot of direct snaps at South Carolina. But he's also
Speaker 1: a very reliable wide receiver with his hands as route
Speaker 1: running way, he can just catch and go. Will Fuller
Speaker 1: mentioned him, he's he's this year's Devin Smith. That is
Speaker 1: deep threat. Yeah, is will is a Will Fuller though
Speaker 1: the take the yeah, like well, he's like to talk
Speaker 1: about take the top off the defense. Nate Newton loves
Speaker 1: to talk about, give me that guy. It takes to
Speaker 1: is will Fuller. That guy he is absolutely five. He's
Speaker 1: five to eleven six, so he's almost six foot tall.
Speaker 1: He's not you don't you watch Notre Dame games. Do
Speaker 1: you think he's a small guy? He's he's a he's
Speaker 1: a six foot guy. He's a little lean, but he
Speaker 1: has some muscle on him. Yeah. The biggest worry with
Speaker 1: will Fuller is just Philadelphia kid. Yeah, exactly, got some
Speaker 1: toughness to him. Just catching the football. I mean, he'll
Speaker 1: make some tremendous catch you go, but then some easy
Speaker 1: ones he drops. He just you don't want to see
Speaker 1: that type of drop rate for a talented receiver that
Speaker 1: you're talking about the early second round range. But he
Speaker 1: can stretch the field and even if he's not getting
Speaker 1: the ball, he's distracting that secondary because of his ability
Speaker 1: to stretch the field take the top off a defense.
Speaker 1: So defenders, defensive coordinators, they have to worry about him. Well,
Speaker 1: let me let me ask you guys another question though
Speaker 1: about that and Dave talk about a little bit about
Speaker 1: the Cowboys this wide receiver situation. You obviously want to draft, Yeah,
Speaker 1: to make a high, high selection on a receiver you
Speaker 1: just don't feel good about Well and behind Bryan, I think,
Speaker 1: and that's I think what makes Treadwell really interesting from
Speaker 1: the Cowboys perspective is I think he's an immediate upgrade
Speaker 1: over the guys that you have behind Dez Bryant. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think you could argue that, and
Speaker 1: but I think the reason it creates conversation with people
Speaker 1: is because do you really need it? I mean, you
Speaker 1: got Dez, you got one of the top five or
Speaker 1: six receivers in the league, and he's under contract for
Speaker 1: four or five more years. You got Terrence Williams, who
Speaker 1: obviously inconsistent, obviously disappointing when des was hurt this year,
Speaker 1: but has shown that pension to make big plays, especially
Speaker 1: when he's got Dez with him. And then you've got
Speaker 1: Cole Beasley, who first of all signed to a decent
Speaker 1: sized contract and second of all, fills a very specific
Speaker 1: role that has proven to be successful when Tony Romo's
Speaker 1: in the game. So I totally get where people are
Speaker 1: coming from when they say, you know, we don't the
Speaker 1: Cowboys don't need a wide receiver. I get that. I
Speaker 1: also get how talented Treadwell is, how much he would
Speaker 1: bring to your offense. And when you're up there at
Speaker 1: the top of the raft, I didn't think you pass
Speaker 1: on a guy like that. Just limit your mistakes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the same thing, and I'm sorry to cut you.
Speaker 1: Oh no, not at all. If it fell that way,
Speaker 1: I have a hard time believing they wouldn't take Laramie
Speaker 1: Tunsel for the same reason. Sure, do they need a tackle? No?
Speaker 1: Is he a beast? Yeah? It's best player? Limit your
Speaker 1: mistakes exactly. I'm sorry some key right there. What he's
Speaker 1: saying is, if you have a top five pick, limit
Speaker 1: your chance of failure. Would you rather would you rather
Speaker 1: take a lock at a position you don't really need,
Speaker 1: or a risk at a position you do need. I
Speaker 1: know what I think. I'm a big believer and best
Speaker 1: player available. When you're picking top five to ten, absolutely
Speaker 1: you have to. Okay, we're gonna take our first break
Speaker 1: of the day. When we come back, we're gonna get
Speaker 1: back in. We'll do the quarterbacks and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: We'll get in some other positions, but we need to
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Speaker 1: with questions that we can get him answered on a
Speaker 1: weekly basis. So up with no further ado, David Hellman,
Speaker 1: it's all yours. I'm gonna start you all out with
Speaker 1: like a real serious draftnick question from Addison sounds like
Speaker 1: he knows what he's talking about, and it's something that
Speaker 1: I actually wondered about watching tape. Do you worry or
Speaker 1: wonder about how Miles Jack projects at middle linebacker given
Speaker 1: that most of his tape is of him playing outside
Speaker 1: or even in the slot. Sure, I mean that I
Speaker 1: think his best position at the next level is going
Speaker 1: to be weak side. I think that's where you can
Speaker 1: best see his abilities in space, his abilities in coverage,
Speaker 1: and so it is a little bit of a projection
Speaker 1: moving him inside. What do you think, right, No, I
Speaker 1: think me, I'm personally I'm gonna try and play him.
Speaker 1: I just think he's one of those rare players, a
Speaker 1: dynamic players that you could put him at any position.
Speaker 1: I think that again, he's gonna put on weight. He's
Speaker 1: a physical guy. He understand he can run, he can
Speaker 1: avoid see at the mic linebacker spot. To me, the
Speaker 1: problems you have is if you can't run, if you
Speaker 1: can't get away from block, if you can't if you
Speaker 1: had He's one of those guys that he doesn't have
Speaker 1: to take on a lot of blocks, so he's always
Speaker 1: on the go. I understand the question about because it
Speaker 1: is it's a little bit of a projection, but it's
Speaker 1: a light watching. It's it's like watching a guy like these,
Speaker 1: these these linebackers here. They draft him with the thought of, hey,
Speaker 1: you could play any one of the spots, and I
Speaker 1: think that Miles Jack is that rare of a player
Speaker 1: and he could play any one of those spots and
Speaker 1: be outstanding at what he does. Josh Norris was tweeting
Speaker 1: out vines of him playing running back last night. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was like housing sixty six yard touchdown runs. At
Speaker 1: running he'd be a top fifty pick running back home.
Speaker 1: I mean he's talent, but he's so he's so good
Speaker 1: on the move. I mean it's it's everything is like
Speaker 1: see gone go get contact balance exactly, acceleration easily to
Speaker 1: you know, get his top speed quickly. He's special. Keyword
Speaker 1: contact balance. If he was getting knocked back, if it
Speaker 1: was one of those things where he was struggling, then
Speaker 1: I would be Okay, draft Treadwell, draft Tounsil, draft somebody.
Speaker 1: But but when you watch him, I mean he is
Speaker 1: a play making guy. And that sidelines and sideline, it's downhill,
Speaker 1: it's getting in coverage, never coming off the field. Very
Speaker 1: similar to what they got to that guy Carolina, that
Speaker 1: guy that can run up the field, cover people, be
Speaker 1: disruptive down in the bosom. Yeah, And that's that type
Speaker 1: of runner, that type of guy that they can go
Speaker 1: and get those plays. Miles Jack's probably the best linebacker
Speaker 1: we've seen in coverage as a prospect. Right That's encouraging. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he might be kind of good. He is kind of
Speaker 1: a lot of five guy. Yeah, all right, So moving on,
Speaker 1: just a very small amount of backstory. Mel Kiper put
Speaker 1: out his first mock, Yeah, Oregon defensive end. DeForrest Buckner
Speaker 1: was his mock to the Cowboys, who plays in a
Speaker 1: three forward Oregon? Which, so Adam wants to know. Not
Speaker 1: a fan of Kiper's mock overall, but just to entertain
Speaker 1: the idea Ken DeForrest Buckner play for three defensive end
Speaker 1: the way Marinelli would want him to. Good. Question at him, Well,
Speaker 1: if we if he did play in a four to three,
Speaker 1: you think he play inside or outside? I think he
Speaker 1: would play inside and him think he'd be a tackle
Speaker 1: more than I would. And I'm gonna hate to say this.
Speaker 1: I think he's a one. Everybody's a one just from that.
Speaker 1: But I mean, but I don't. Again, that's that's talking
Speaker 1: about a guy, you know, because we've seen him play
Speaker 1: with a tall guy. We've seen David Irvin play here
Speaker 1: and they played him inside where you thought, oh, David
Speaker 1: Urban is automatically going to play as a as a
Speaker 1: defensive end. I think this guy, I wouldn't touch this guy.
Speaker 1: Because he's a three four defensive end. To me, that's
Speaker 1: his best position. That's his best position. So again, you know,
Speaker 1: Kiper put him at four. Again, that's why you should
Speaker 1: follow Dane's mock draft and the guys at CBS Sports
Speaker 1: don't worry so much about what's going on on that
Speaker 1: other station and stuff like that because there's because it's
Speaker 1: more about the position, right, you know, it's a fit,
Speaker 1: Especially when you're picking that early. You want to get
Speaker 1: a guy that fits. And Buckler is a good player.
Speaker 1: He became a better pass rusher this year. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I just don't like his fit at four, not at four,
Speaker 1: not at all, and not playing as a What people
Speaker 1: would say is maybe play him as a defensive end.
Speaker 1: And in this game, John wants to know and okay
Speaker 1: when shifting gears surprised we haven't said this name by now,
Speaker 1: John wants to know what does the secondary look like
Speaker 1: if you draft Jalen Ramsey? Can he play strong safety?
Speaker 1: Does he play cornerback? With Byron Jones at safety, etc.
Speaker 1: I think Jalen Ramsey can play either safety. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: can play strong. He played free We saw him do
Speaker 1: just a little bit of everything at Florida state from
Speaker 1: corner on the outside in the boundary to you know,
Speaker 1: a free to a nickel position to a strong. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We really saw him do everything, and I think he's
Speaker 1: a better safety than corner. He will be a corner
Speaker 1: on some team's boards around the league just because he
Speaker 1: has that size. He's a world class jumper. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of things about him you like in terms of projection,
Speaker 1: and that's why I think he'll be a corner for
Speaker 1: a lot of teams. But for me, he's a better safety.
Speaker 1: And so whether he's at free or at strong, I
Speaker 1: just want him on my team. Yeah, he there there.
Speaker 1: I talked to a couple of scouts like Dane does,
Speaker 1: and one of them, a guy has it sold me, says,
Speaker 1: I'm selling it in my guys as that Seattle type
Speaker 1: of corner, that the big, rangy, physical, tall guy. So yeah,
Speaker 1: he says, But they also the scout told me, he says, Hey, Brian,
Speaker 1: he's also a damn good safety. So again, you could
Speaker 1: watch him. I'll tell you where I think he's really
Speaker 1: good is you put him down in the round in
Speaker 1: the box area though, and watch him blitz and and
Speaker 1: what he deflects passes. He's a long arm exactly. He's
Speaker 1: a guy. He understands how to get in lanes, how
Speaker 1: to get his hands up, he understands how to blitz,
Speaker 1: he understands how to chase, and he's physical enough as
Speaker 1: a tackler to play down. He was primarily the left
Speaker 1: corner for Full of Safe this year. That's right. It
Speaker 1: seemed like last year in twenty fourteen, they had him
Speaker 1: like doing the Byron Jones thing where he's never in
Speaker 1: the same that's because the star Star Nickel position where yeah,
Speaker 1: he was all over as Bob right. I like his
Speaker 1: freshman year he was both a corn or inter free safety.
Speaker 1: So they really moved him over and they they schemed
Speaker 1: him to his strengths and and that's a good thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think this guy really I think the pedal of
Speaker 1: the turn. I think he could do a lot of
Speaker 1: good things. I like the thought of him being a
Speaker 1: dimeback like Byron was this year. Yeah. Again, don't let
Speaker 1: scheme fool you here, because you could play Byron and
Speaker 1: this guy interchangeable and it wouldn't be a problem. I mean,
Speaker 1: it don't feel like one has to be a strong
Speaker 1: safety and one has to be a free safety. If
Speaker 1: they go there. At me, personally, I would draft this
Speaker 1: kid and maybe consider putting Byron as a to try
Speaker 1: and help spots. But we've seen in his scheme with Seattle,
Speaker 1: how if you had the two safeties and you fill
Speaker 1: the corners, if Scandrick being one of them, and somebody else,
Speaker 1: maybe somebody else develops with Ramsey, if you were to
Speaker 1: combine a corner, a safety, and a linebacker and a
Speaker 1: one procesct, I think he would look something similar to
Speaker 1: Jaalen Rand. He's that versage. I agree, all right, trying
Speaker 1: to hit as many as possible. Leonardo wants to know
Speaker 1: is Shack Lawson in the conversation at four it's a
Speaker 1: little early. I think Loss is a darn good a player.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's we need to find out about the knee.
Speaker 1: Has a little bit of a NIE sprain his left knee,
Speaker 1: which kept him out for parts of the Orange Bowl
Speaker 1: in for the National Championship Game. But when he's healthy,
Speaker 1: he's a darn good player. He had twenty five and
Speaker 1: a half tackles for Loss this year. He's only a
Speaker 1: one year starter, but he came off the bench the
Speaker 1: last two years. He had finished his career with like
Speaker 1: forty six and a half tackles for loss. I mean
Speaker 1: in the production matches the tape, right, you see him
Speaker 1: with with this strength to take on blocks, to shed
Speaker 1: against Ronnie Stanley Notre Dame. That match up was outstanding.
Speaker 1: Those guys going back with Dave the one we were
Speaker 1: watching that Dave. But Stanley look really bad, he did.
Speaker 1: I saw. I think it was Dane actually had him
Speaker 1: mocked in the top ten and I'm going to the
Speaker 1: Giants at ten. Yeah, yeah, I thought that's a good call.
Speaker 1: I think he's stiwhere in that top field teen range.
Speaker 1: But to me, he's not one of the top four
Speaker 1: players in this draft. You're talking about you, you're talking
Speaker 1: about losson though, right, I'm sorry, I'm in Stanley. Oh no, no, yeah, yeah, Boston, well,
Speaker 1: Stanley too, he's in that top ten as well, But
Speaker 1: if we're talking top four, top five, to me, Loston's
Speaker 1: not He's He's better than Bosa in your mind on
Speaker 1: your board, right, No, I like Bosa better, No, say
Speaker 1: better than Bosa is my number one there defensive end here. Okay,
Speaker 1: Matt wants to know, is there any chance that Notre
Speaker 1: Dame linebacker Jalen Smith tumbles into the second round after
Speaker 1: having knee surgery injured his leg in the Bowl game
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks week ago. Those of y'all who
Speaker 1: weren't watching, Yeah, you hate to see that. It was
Speaker 1: such a good player and a good kid too. He's
Speaker 1: done everything well, uh started every game at Notre Dame
Speaker 1: except and then he got hurt in the last possible game.
Speaker 1: So you hate to see it, but we won't. No
Speaker 1: one can answer this question with any certainty until March
Speaker 1: and April, when the doctors get a chance to look
Speaker 1: at the knee, look at the rehab. You know House's
Speaker 1: recovery going and as long as it's on pace, you
Speaker 1: know it's going well. And he has a chance to play,
Speaker 1: maybe in the last quarter of his NFL rookie season.
Speaker 1: I still think he goes in the first round. Well,
Speaker 1: I think somewhere top thirties. Yeah, he's in good hands.
Speaker 1: Doctor Fowler here did the surgery. The Cowboys a team doctor,
Speaker 1: and he's outstanding, So the kid will be as good
Speaker 1: as new. Though I agree with Dan, I don't see him.
Speaker 1: I don't see him falling out of the first round.
Speaker 1: I think that somebody's gonna maybe red red shirt you know,
Speaker 1: maybe a red shirt situation or halfway through. I mean,
Speaker 1: he is a top he would be a top five
Speaker 1: pick in my opinion, maybe a consideration. Look at it
Speaker 1: this way. Dante Fowler miss his entire rookie year last
Speaker 1: year from Jacks number three pick last year. Right, if
Speaker 1: you knew going into the draft that he was gonna
Speaker 1: have to miss his entire year take a red shirt,
Speaker 1: would he still go first round? I think so. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so the same thing with Jalen Smith. I think
Speaker 1: we'll still see him goes maybe even top twenty. Absolutely fine, Absolutely,
Speaker 1: Maurice wants to know. And this is fitting because he
Speaker 1: just declared the other day. Thoughts on Billings, the defensive
Speaker 1: tackle out of Baylor. His first name escapes me right now,
Speaker 1: Andrew Andrew Billings, thank you. Yeah, he was banged up
Speaker 1: a little bit this year with a with a lower
Speaker 1: leg injury. But he's so strong and you know he
Speaker 1: was a he's a weightlifter and that's his first love,
Speaker 1: and you see that translate to the football field. Um.
Speaker 1: I have some questions about his instincts, his ball awareness,
Speaker 1: his backfield vision, but I am very encouraged by just
Speaker 1: his point point attack strength, his ability to move an
Speaker 1: impact as a nose or a one technique. So I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be able to help a lot of
Speaker 1: those teams in the back half a round one. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think we see him still on the board
Speaker 1: in the early second round. No, I don't think so either, though.
Speaker 1: I you know, we laugh about the one technique. He's
Speaker 1: my best one technique and what I've seen and I
Speaker 1: and I just I think this guy, when you start
Speaker 1: talking about you know you were you were saying, give
Speaker 1: me an upfield player, guy that hold the point, Give
Speaker 1: me a guy that could get up the field. Give
Speaker 1: me the guy that plays with bounce, Give me the
Speaker 1: guy free himself. He's a hard guy to block. He
Speaker 1: is a hard guy to block one on one, and
Speaker 1: he and he protects a lot of I mean you,
Speaker 1: guy like that allows a lot of other people to
Speaker 1: make plays, and especially something in this scheme right here,
Speaker 1: if they somehow and I don't think they will. I
Speaker 1: don't think Dallas ends up with Andrew Billings. I don't
Speaker 1: think that happens. But my gosh, he would be an
Speaker 1: outstanding scheme fit here for what they do. When we
Speaker 1: talked about him, allowing other you know, his teammates to
Speaker 1: make plays. Yeah, Andrew Billings still lead the team and
Speaker 1: tackles for loss. He still loved the team and sacks.
Speaker 1: So while you're absolutely right he was doing those things,
Speaker 1: it wasn't Sean Oakman. They getting out the production. That's
Speaker 1: still Andrew Billings. Yeah, this guy. I mean, I just
Speaker 1: looking at my notes. I mean you talk about capturing
Speaker 1: the edge. You know, he gets on these guys and
Speaker 1: playing one. Didn't you know, the quick move to get around,
Speaker 1: get up the field. He's just he's a difficult guy.
Speaker 1: I was. I was happy for him that you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sad for Baylor because he's such a great player.
Speaker 1: I mean, he should have gone back, but he's gonna
Speaker 1: get drafted the first night. Still took load to the ground,
Speaker 1: that natural leverage. Too good of a player, Just too
Speaker 1: good of a player. Dane. This is interesting to me
Speaker 1: because you just were talking about how they're different players,
Speaker 1: and I think that's pretty obvious if you watch them.
Speaker 1: Nor Lean wants to know, do you think Treadwell is
Speaker 1: as good as Cooper coming out? I mean entering with
Speaker 1: no pro experience, entering the draft. Now, you know, if
Speaker 1: Treadwell is in last year's draft. I still think Cooper
Speaker 1: probably goes ahead of him, But I don't, you know,
Speaker 1: they're they're different types, they win in different ways. Their
Speaker 1: strengths are different. Cooper is a more you know, he's quicker, exactly,
Speaker 1: He's gonna separating his routh right, absolutely. Yeah. And with Treadwell,
Speaker 1: I mean he was productive in the SEC. It tread
Speaker 1: Well actually did something that no other receiver ever did
Speaker 1: in the SEC. You talk about all the talented receivers
Speaker 1: that you know, Mike Evans, Cooper, Beckham, Landry, all these guys.
Speaker 1: This year, Treadwell had five straight games with over one
Speaker 1: hundred yards and at least five catches one touchdown. No
Speaker 1: other SEC receiver has ever done that, right, But again,
Speaker 1: his strengths are different, So I would give him ARII
Speaker 1: Cooper the edge in terms of a better player, but
Speaker 1: Treadwell is close number two. He would love to have
Speaker 1: Cooper and Dez Bryant playing together. Yeah, yeah, just because
Speaker 1: you watch you watch again the route running in Alabama.
Speaker 1: To me, it's you know, you always see about Alabama
Speaker 1: and the ability to run the football and how the backs,
Speaker 1: but they've developed some receivers they put some guys in
Speaker 1: and and and Cooper to me is one of those
Speaker 1: guys when you watched him play routes all over the place.
Speaker 1: With Treadwell, it's more to me, up the field slants ends,
Speaker 1: not so much the motion and go and be an
Speaker 1: option route guy. This is more of a up the
Speaker 1: field type of a player. And let me ask you,
Speaker 1: you might have a better field for this. But the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: you know, they have the X with Dez, right, they
Speaker 1: have why yeah, looking at a Z, yeah, you know it.
Speaker 1: Treadwell is not You're a prototypical Z. But you know,
Speaker 1: would this staff say, you know what, he's good enough,
Speaker 1: he's good enough? Yeah? Or they want a guy like
Speaker 1: a like a Will Fuller who can stretch the field.
Speaker 1: See that's the thing, that's the question. It's I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not you are yeah because you got you got
Speaker 1: an X. You got an X and really in Dez
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have an X really and you know,
Speaker 1: but could you could you do things with I mean,
Speaker 1: they they're pretty much of I mean, they don't move
Speaker 1: guys around much. When they moved Dez, they put him
Speaker 1: in the slot a little bit. But I just think
Speaker 1: it's too inviting to have a guy that skill set.
Speaker 1: Keep in mind, to play Terrence fits that skill set
Speaker 1: and he's not going anywhere, so you still have that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and with another guy, I mean that can only help
Speaker 1: the argument. What do you guess he's trying to say
Speaker 1: is would you would you play? Be able to play
Speaker 1: both of them? That's the that's the question, and I'm
Speaker 1: all for that. If I'm running this game, I find
Speaker 1: a way. But one of them can play in the
Speaker 1: slow But this coaching staff or off the line as yeah, right,
Speaker 1: this coaching staff. Do you think they'd be comfortable with
Speaker 1: a treadwall as a Z? Not your part of protypical Z.
Speaker 1: But he's still that talented receiver where I don't care.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna find a way to give it the ball. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely have to be creative with um. As long as
Speaker 1: you know it's the first show. Last year's draft is
Speaker 1: still freshen the mind. UM do it again because Kenneth
Speaker 1: wants to know how Ezekiel Elliott compares to Todd Gurley,
Speaker 1: the consensus number one running backs from each of the
Speaker 1: last two drafts. I mean, we love both these guys, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we we we gush about Gurly last year.
Speaker 1: If not for the kneed, you'd be talking about him
Speaker 1: and he's still went top ten, right, Zeke, I mean
Speaker 1: what can't he do? Right? I mean he's so well rounded.
Speaker 1: He's not as special overall as Girly. Yeah, but he's close.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not far off. It's just hard to
Speaker 1: find weaknesses in his game. Yeah. So let me ask
Speaker 1: you guys this, And Dave you brought up earlier about
Speaker 1: minimizing and you said it too as well, minimizing era
Speaker 1: or mistake. Yeah, you look at a guy like Ezekiel
Speaker 1: Elliott and Dan just told you he doesn't have many holes.
Speaker 1: And I totally agree on this. You know how you
Speaker 1: feel he's one of my top five players. You would
Speaker 1: take Zeke at four, and I would. You might be
Speaker 1: alone in that in the world. I might be alone.
Speaker 1: I might be And that's okay, you have to consider it.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at my board, though, I'm looking at my board,
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to minimize risks. I know, I'm looking
Speaker 1: at him seeing and a guy who I trust over here,
Speaker 1: who evaluates players, is telling me that, Hey, not many
Speaker 1: holes in this guy. Hard to find problems with him.
Speaker 1: He catches, he runs, and he blocks, he does all
Speaker 1: those things, and you put him in a system where
Speaker 1: he's gonna have a chance to they'll hand him the
Speaker 1: football and he's gonna have He's gonna be a he
Speaker 1: would be a very productive back in this jockel because
Speaker 1: he'd never come off the field. Rookie of the Year, Aaron,
Speaker 1: Let's go back to last year picking top ten, how
Speaker 1: many of those teams one through nine would have taken
Speaker 1: Gurly knowing what we saw this year as a rookie.
Speaker 1: If not for Jameis Winston, Todd, Gurley's your offensive rookie
Speaker 1: of the year. Sure, so you know, would he have
Speaker 1: gone higher? And last year's draft, if we redrafted, I
Speaker 1: think he would have had him. I had him over
Speaker 1: the two quarterbacks. That's me with Zeke. You know, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be interesting because you have to think
Speaker 1: about value in these running backs and where do you
Speaker 1: take one? And you know, at one point does talent
Speaker 1: supersed value at the position? Right? That's I think I think,
Speaker 1: like I don't know that and I'm not saying anything groundbreaking,
Speaker 1: but I didn't salary app analysis and analytics. I think
Speaker 1: factors more into running back than like any other position.
Speaker 1: And let me just say this though, for what you
Speaker 1: guys just said, if you don't, if if people don't,
Speaker 1: especially this group here, doesn't think that Treadwill can play
Speaker 1: as a Z or that Dez couldn't play as a Z.
Speaker 1: Isn't that we talked about? Okay, maybe there's questions about
Speaker 1: Miles Jack playing a MIC linebacker, maybe there's questions about
Speaker 1: tread will play in the Z. Are there less questions
Speaker 1: about Ezekiel Elliott playing running back and not and not
Speaker 1: and going forward? For some absolutely? Right? I completely hear you.
Speaker 1: I just worry and I like Elliot a lot, I
Speaker 1: really do, but taking a running back fourth overall just
Speaker 1: scares the youd take. You would take Ramsey before you
Speaker 1: would take Elliot? Would you? I do? And for this
Speaker 1: team as much as I love Zeke, I just I'm
Speaker 1: not taking running back. That I got you, all right?
Speaker 1: That's but that and you know, welcome to the draft show.
Speaker 1: It's idol idol fan talk that you can't really speculate about.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I honestly I would do backflips all the
Speaker 1: way back to my desk if you told me that
Speaker 1: they could trade to nine or ten and draft Elliott
Speaker 1: with that pick. Yeah, add another pick. Okay, we're getting
Speaker 1: far far ahead of ourselves. We are. We got plenty
Speaker 1: of shows to do. Okay, we got to take our
Speaker 1: second break, our last break. Thank you so much for
Speaker 1: all the questions again at the draft everyone that appreciate
Speaker 1: all very good questions there. I hope we got you answer.
Speaker 1: If we didn't, maybe we'll go back and answer those
Speaker 1: for the ones that we didn't do. So coming up,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get into some of your calls and some
Speaker 1: more questions and some more discussions. Stay tuned for the
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Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Showboys, Welcome
Speaker 1: back to the Draft Show from the SBbc Mortgage Studios.
Speaker 1: Brian broad Us, Dame Burglar, David Hellman, Ken Garrison, executive producer,
Speaker 1: carrying you for the next fifteen minutes or so. I
Speaker 1: wanted to get in real quick. Just looking back at
Speaker 1: the last year's draft, give me two guys, give me
Speaker 1: one guy you were tremendously right about, and give me
Speaker 1: one guy you were tremendously wrong about. Just from this
Speaker 1: from what you saw this year in the NFL season.
Speaker 1: Don't have to be a great depth, just kind of
Speaker 1: well I don't think I've shut up about the one
Speaker 1: guy that I felt really good out since about Thanksgiving,
Speaker 1: because he's gonna win Defensive Rookie of the Year. So
Speaker 1: I mean, Marcus Peters killed it, killed it for the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I remember one of the dominating
Speaker 1: topics of conversation last year was Peters, Johnson, well corner,
Speaker 1: but Peter, Peters, Johnson, and Byron absolutely those were the three.
Speaker 1: And I think we all liked and dislike different things
Speaker 1: about him, and I think we all agreed that Peters
Speaker 1: was a good player, but I think we thought that
Speaker 1: the character concerns would eventually turn the Cowboys off. Obviously,
Speaker 1: he went off the board ten hole picks before the
Speaker 1: Cowboys even picked, so it's not like they passed on him.
Speaker 1: But I just really liked I liked his style. I
Speaker 1: liked his the way, you know, the way he played
Speaker 1: it like this tape, and I liked, you know, what
Speaker 1: they said about him that was a character concern was that,
Speaker 1: you know, he got into it with his coaches. I
Speaker 1: kind of liked that five greeness too. So he's got
Speaker 1: eight picks and the Chiefs are still in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: and I would be stunned if he's not defensive Rookie
Speaker 1: of the Year. Um. I really liked Tyler Lockett too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which again like that's not a who is your wrong? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're wrong. I really loved Melvin Gordon. He didn't have
Speaker 1: such a right here. Yeah I thought Melvin I mean
Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon, two thousand yard back for the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Dane A guy got wrong or right. He's played a
Speaker 1: lot better than my thought. Rob Havnstein yeh Off of
Speaker 1: the tackle went to the Rams. I started thirteen games.
Speaker 1: I thought he was stiff. I thought, you know, he
Speaker 1: could move people in the run game, but in past
Speaker 1: protection I worried. But he did a nice job this year.
Speaker 1: Guys that I got right. Um, I think Ali Marpett
Speaker 1: I loved him coming out, you know at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: He impressed me so much for a D three kid.
Speaker 1: He had a good rookie year. Eric Kendricks, the UCLA linebacker.
Speaker 1: You just had to look past the measurable. He's not
Speaker 1: the biggest, not the fastest. That's where you just trust
Speaker 1: the tape. He just hits everything that moves. Hey, he's
Speaker 1: had He started double digit games for the Vikings and
Speaker 1: then Ronald Derby guy gave a late first round grade
Speaker 1: two for out of Florida State, went to Buffalo and
Speaker 1: he had over twenty passes defended this year, started all
Speaker 1: but one game, So I think Ronald Derby really had
Speaker 1: himself a good year. Yeah, I think, yeah, that was good.
Speaker 1: I'll throw one in there, Brian. And in the opposite direction,
Speaker 1: I thought boy from LSU Denil Hunter was a big
Speaker 1: kpe like I didn't think he was worth a damn Yeah,
Speaker 1: goes and get six sacks as a rookie for a
Speaker 1: playoff team. Yeah, I'm just gonna focus on a guy
Speaker 1: I thought I was wrong about. I think that, uh
Speaker 1: and and focusing on running back. I thought Coleman was
Speaker 1: going to be much better in Atlanta and he got. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he got. Really he's banged up, but that still I was.
Speaker 1: I was thinking that Atlanta, and I was talking with
Speaker 1: Tommy dimitrof my buddy, and I said, hey, Tommy, nice
Speaker 1: picked up up up a BA and you know, sure enough,
Speaker 1: you know there's a season floated on it. Freeman was
Speaker 1: a much better player, and I really really sold Coleman,
Speaker 1: and I'm disappointed that he didn't do better. So okay,
Speaker 1: Kent Garrison, Yes, do we have some calls lined up
Speaker 1: that we can talk to some folks about. Yeah, Brian,
Speaker 1: phones are ringing off the hook. Okay, we'll start with
Speaker 1: Grant in North Carolina. Okay, Grant before we get going.
Speaker 1: Everybody's doing well, and if you could just get your question,
Speaker 1: I would appreciate that, So go ahead, sir. All right, Um,
Speaker 1: I'm with Dave all the way. I will love to
Speaker 1: have tread Well. See some people say we don't need
Speaker 1: a receiver. I think that we do need a receiver.
Speaker 1: I would like to get tread Well. If not him,
Speaker 1: I love to have Ramsey. Okay, what do you guys think?
Speaker 1: Is it possible we can get Carson Wentz in the
Speaker 1: second round and Dane? Are there any good receivers coming
Speaker 1: out of clumps and late? Because I'm loving DeAndre Hopkins, Martavis, Brian,
Speaker 1: Sammy Watkins. Somebody's coaching some receivers lived there, so if
Speaker 1: he's somebody late we can get from there. Appreciate it's
Speaker 1: all you do, guys, Thank you very much for the call. Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, Clump said, no, he's right. They've been
Speaker 1: a wide receiver amazingly. Remember that guy he's doing and
Speaker 1: whoever's recruiting and who's ever coaching. They got a senior
Speaker 1: coming out this year at number nineteen, Sharon Peek, a
Speaker 1: topper crew. Didn't really have that greade of a year
Speaker 1: or great career coming into this year, but stepped it up,
Speaker 1: played a little bit better. He's up more of a
Speaker 1: late round guy, but he'd be the only clumps in
Speaker 1: receiver this year. But back to his main question with
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz Ye know, I going into this year, I
Speaker 1: really liked him. I thought, you know, this is solid
Speaker 1: second third round guy. The more you watched him, you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: maybe early second round Cowboys, that'd be a great fit.
Speaker 1: And then the more you see and I went and
Speaker 1: saw him live last week at the FCS Championship game.
Speaker 1: His first game sends October. I expected to see some
Speaker 1: rust right the right wrist injury, and he goes out
Speaker 1: there and looks outstanding. I mean it just the physical
Speaker 1: tools are there, but also the passing tools you want,
Speaker 1: throwing with anticipation, throwing with timing. I still stares down
Speaker 1: receivers more than you want, but everything's there. I just
Speaker 1: don't see any way how he lasts the second round. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't either. I just think that there's too many
Speaker 1: things to work with their You know, his idol is
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, and there's some times when you watch him
Speaker 1: a tape where Rogers makes that sideways and he'll kind
Speaker 1: of sling, kind of sling the ball. Ye, he's got
Speaker 1: a little bit. You can see he's watched some Green
Speaker 1: Bay tape. He watched Rogers. But you can see that, right,
Speaker 1: he who like it will kind of float and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, his legs, his feet will be
Speaker 1: one spot in his body be the other. He'll just
Speaker 1: kind of go, just flick it. And it makes to
Speaker 1: me I see a souped up version of Alex Smith.
Speaker 1: That's what I see. A guy that he's a bigger
Speaker 1: guy than Alex Smith, has a better arm, but the
Speaker 1: intelligence in the athleticism, that's where I see it. The
Speaker 1: second read dange, Right, the second read is gonna be
Speaker 1: a little bit of a problem for him. I know
Speaker 1: I'm asking you all to project, but like, all right,
Speaker 1: so'll a range, Like, give me a range of where
Speaker 1: twenty to thirty. I think the Senior Bowl is really
Speaker 1: gonna tell us that, Yeah, you know, and I think
Speaker 1: we've never we've seen him against one FBS team in
Speaker 1: his career that I would say, first first game he
Speaker 1: ever started two years ago. So going up against some
Speaker 1: FBS talent, you know, the best of the best, getting
Speaker 1: some pro coaching at the Senior Bowl, Mobile will be
Speaker 1: will be big for him. And as long as he
Speaker 1: doesn't fall in his face, he's gonna go somewhere. I'd
Speaker 1: say top twenty five, the Texans at twenty two, come on,
Speaker 1: they can't pass. Get ready, folks, Your Cowboy coaches are
Speaker 1: coaching him in this Bowl game. This is the definition
Speaker 1: of irony to me is that the Cowboys, for the
Speaker 1: first time in a quarter of a century, you have
Speaker 1: a pick where you traditionally get a franchise quarterback. But
Speaker 1: it seems like you feel a lot better about picking
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks in the twelve example where the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: usually picked. Okay, kit, what do we got? All right?
Speaker 1: Trey and Georgetown? Trey You're on? Hey, you guys speaking
Speaker 1: on Carson once. Matt Miller just let out a scouting
Speaker 1: notebook where he had Carson Wentz in top ten. Okay,
Speaker 1: on that, and my question is, um, I'm gonna talk
Speaker 1: about the Senior Bowl this year. I know y'all are too.
Speaker 1: Here's some players I'm excited about watching. I want to
Speaker 1: see you if you think you can make it tick
Speaker 1: the Cowboys team and what do you think about him? Okay,
Speaker 1: Eric Stryker, Kars Dixon, Nick Martin, William Jackson the third
Speaker 1: and Jeremy Cash. Okay, thank you much for a call.
Speaker 1: Did you get them all? I think with it was
Speaker 1: couple with Striker. Williams was one of the guys too.
Speaker 1: It's the quarter from Houston, right right, the big guy,
Speaker 1: the typest corner Seattle is gonna exactly um and he
Speaker 1: led the nation and passes defended that you get like
Speaker 1: twenty seven, ungodly number. He plays well. Eric Striker is
Speaker 1: really interesting to me because what's his position? Where does
Speaker 1: he play? Where? Where will the teams line them up
Speaker 1: during Senior Bowl practices. I think that'll be interesting to
Speaker 1: watch because he's not really big enough to be a
Speaker 1: defensive end or like a three four pass rusher. But
Speaker 1: can he hold up in reverse, you know, being a
Speaker 1: more traditional week side linebacker strong side? Sure, I just
Speaker 1: don't know where to play him, and so because of that,
Speaker 1: I think he's more of a fourth round type of guy,
Speaker 1: not the top one hundred, but you see the burst
Speaker 1: you see you know he's an athlete. So the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl will be big feric striker. Yeah. It usually is
Speaker 1: again with a pro coach and they'll they'll figure out
Speaker 1: a spot form. I'll answer the question about Dixon. I
Speaker 1: don't know the Senior Bowl. Yeah, yeah, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: I like this kid a lot. I really do. I
Speaker 1: think that, you know, just looking at my notes here,
Speaker 1: he can make people miss. He's explosive, he's got stop
Speaker 1: start quickness, he's hard to tackle, he's he's got division
Speaker 1: to see holes. He's runs tough, he fights to finish
Speaker 1: plays with balance. I mean, these are all things that
Speaker 1: I saw this kid and he and at five ten,
Speaker 1: two twelve, you know what, he's a tough kid when
Speaker 1: you watch him play. He's in that mix. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of these guys that who's gonna be a second round,
Speaker 1: Who's gonna be a third Maybe the group might not
Speaker 1: be as good and right now is what we think
Speaker 1: is what last year's group was. But I think they've
Speaker 1: got some guys in there, Dixon being one of those guys.
Speaker 1: Value Where where do you see his value. I had
Speaker 1: him in the third round. I had him in third
Speaker 1: round the Cowboys early third rounder. Is that is that
Speaker 1: too high for him or no? I you know what,
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna put him in the third round, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take him in the third round. I'm talking top
Speaker 1: seventy pick. Yeah. I like him that way. I do.
Speaker 1: I will have my eye on him because running back
Speaker 1: is the easiest position for an idiot like me to watch,
Speaker 1: and I'm obsessed. I mean, it's the easiest position for
Speaker 1: a rookie to come in and contribute on. I think so,
Speaker 1: especially Himmer, Booker, maybe him or Booker from Utah. I'm
Speaker 1: a Booker fan. See. I like Booker here. He will
Speaker 1: not be at the Senior Bowl. See, but that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I think Booker goes I think Booker goes before.
Speaker 1: That's why I would say I would take Booker before.
Speaker 1: And I'm talking about Booker out there from Utah. Book
Speaker 1: he's dealing with the knee right now, missed the last
Speaker 1: few games. I won't play at the Senior Bowl because
Speaker 1: of that knee. You watched him a little bit that
Speaker 1: you just run, dude, yes, run like don't dance, that's
Speaker 1: what they would say. They don't dance, just run. No,
Speaker 1: he he wants to be a home run threat. I
Speaker 1: mean that's and one or more guy that he mentioned,
Speaker 1: Jeremy Cash. Yeah. To me, this year's Dion Buchanan exactly.
Speaker 1: That physical safety is a formeral house state guy. Uh
Speaker 1: went to Duke. He was last three years over one
Speaker 1: hundred yards each season, hundred tackles. Yeah, um, this guy
Speaker 1: can do it all. Yes, tackles safety in the draft, Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: I agree with that. Tackles for loss, it's all there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right. I hope I hope that these rosters hold
Speaker 1: up because I mean it sounds like this is going
Speaker 1: to be about as good as a Senior Bowl roster could.
Speaker 1: They've had it in the last few years. I can't
Speaker 1: got another one. Yeah, Camaro, Cowboy Barry in Treeport, Berry,
Speaker 1: what's up? Hey, guys, how ya doing? Uh? Listen? I
Speaker 1: know the Cowboys fans might be leery of cornerbacks coming
Speaker 1: from mele issue, but I was just curious to know
Speaker 1: where UH might go in the draft, and also why
Speaker 1: don't they have a Junior Bowl UH where we can
Speaker 1: see these guys too, and and being coached up life yet, OK,
Speaker 1: talk he had to come out. Yeah, let something happen.
Speaker 1: He has not declared, so he Kendall Beck with which
Speaker 1: selfishly as an LSU fans stay right where you are. Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly exactly, But they have that new defensive coordinator trying
Speaker 1: to Yeah, Dave rand is coming down from Wisconsin anyway. Um,
Speaker 1: he's a freak athlete. He's he's very close with Mo claiborne. Sure,
Speaker 1: that's not what Cowboy fans want to hear. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: thought he was a little disappointing this season. Uh. I
Speaker 1: mean the way he played his first two years and
Speaker 1: how lockdown he was. He didn't seem to be that
Speaker 1: automatic guy. I haven't gone back and watching the tape.
Speaker 1: This is just me sure, semi drunkenly watching LSU football.
Speaker 1: We know that happens quite a bit. Um, But I
Speaker 1: mean he's a he's a freak athlete for sure, and
Speaker 1: he doubles us. He's a return man too. Yeah. Dane
Speaker 1: talks about his size five to eleven one, you know,
Speaker 1: almost sixte ninety one in the street. Good length, yeah,
Speaker 1: good length, four four eight on your speed. I think
Speaker 1: to me, you know, going back and watched him play
Speaker 1: I thought he was a quick footed guy for somebody
Speaker 1: that that that range, and I thought he was able
Speaker 1: to spin and help and coverage, maintain position. Uh you know,
Speaker 1: zone can play off to and cover, turn and run.
Speaker 1: I mean these are all things played some of the
Speaker 1: slot too loose looking at my notes. So yeah, I'd
Speaker 1: like to see him go back. I think he could
Speaker 1: really benefit from another player do it. Um, they just
Speaker 1: get more technically sound with his feet, with the way
Speaker 1: he plays the ball. Um. And then you know the
Speaker 1: other question he asked about the Junior Bowl. Yeah, really,
Speaker 1: the NFL doesn't want to promote juniors coming out. They
Speaker 1: don't want to give us through some juniors that are
Speaker 1: playing and explain how they're playing. Right there, we will
Speaker 1: have a few red shirt juniors. If you are a
Speaker 1: red shirt junior and you have graduated before January this month,
Speaker 1: then you are eligible for the Senior Bowl, and we
Speaker 1: will see a few down there. Tavis Paliohu States safety
Speaker 1: Glenn Gronkowski, the full back from Kandas State, Rob's little brother.
Speaker 1: And then Noah Spence I mentioned earlier he from Eastern
Speaker 1: Kentuck at Church Junior. But for the most part, you
Speaker 1: know this number for the underclassmen coming out is almost
Speaker 1: triple digits. Yeah, NFL wants to get that number down,
Speaker 1: and they're doing and they're doing everything they can to
Speaker 1: try to get that number down. With the grades they
Speaker 1: give back to these guys to see their first round,
Speaker 1: second round, or go back to school. Each school can
Speaker 1: only have five submit their grades. So what Ohio State
Speaker 1: had nine commit or nine come out, nine come out exactly,
Speaker 1: They're gonna have probably fourteen kids drafted, which will show
Speaker 1: record at one and that kind of Obviously the NFL
Speaker 1: is not trying to promote that. But the other thing,
Speaker 1: if you're going pro as a junior, most of these
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl guys have something to prove, not all of them,
Speaker 1: but I mean, like Carson Wentz, I mean he's an
Speaker 1: FCS guy. He wants to prove that he can play
Speaker 1: against the best guys who have something to gain by
Speaker 1: doing this. I mean even I mean people like Dane
Speaker 1: and you knew who he was, but Zack Martin was
Speaker 1: not a household name. He went to the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: so you have that to gain. A junior who knows
Speaker 1: he's good enough to go pro has nothing to gain
Speaker 1: from doing that. Really, only stuff to lose by getting hurt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that would be my guest. And the red shirt thing,
Speaker 1: it makes a lot of sense because it's not their
Speaker 1: fault they were red shirted. You know, if they're already
Speaker 1: graduated in three and a half years and you know,
Speaker 1: ready to move on, then they shouldn't be penalized for that.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad that Phil Savage and you know, his
Speaker 1: staff were able to do that and they keep an
Speaker 1: eye off for these red shirt juniors. It's ironic to
Speaker 1: me though that I think maybe the NFL wants to
Speaker 1: keep the number of juniors down. But with the way
Speaker 1: the CBA is right now, that's it exactly. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's all about that second contract us. I remember, even
Speaker 1: as recently as like eight years ago, it was like,
Speaker 1: if you're not a first or second round pick, you
Speaker 1: really probably should stay. But now it's like, screw it,
Speaker 1: get me my fourth round pick. I'll take my one
Speaker 1: point five million signing bonus and my seven hundred thousand
Speaker 1: dollars salary. I'll start playing earlier, and I'll be ready
Speaker 1: for my second contract earlier. There's there's no reason to stay,
Speaker 1: all right, can't We got one more call? We got
Speaker 1: one more Sam and san Antonio. Sam, you're on the
Speaker 1: draft show. I really wanted to ask. I mean, I
Speaker 1: want to first preface my comment by saying that I
Speaker 1: really do like Cowboys need to go ahead and take
Speaker 1: advantage of this opportunity and draft a quarterback with the
Speaker 1: first pick. Now, I understand, you know, based on your
Speaker 1: on the way things though, who knows what they what
Speaker 1: they're feeling is on that. But um, if they decided
Speaker 1: to go in a different direction, uh, and they weren't
Speaker 1: too enamored with the quarterbacks at that position, what do
Speaker 1: you guys think about how far back if they were
Speaker 1: in the trade back scenario, how what's the furthest back
Speaker 1: you think they should go in and h and do
Speaker 1: you think that would be a worthwhile endeavor? Okay, thank
Speaker 1: you very much for the call. Sam. I like and
Speaker 1: we're gonna get into this for another day. I like
Speaker 1: I like Lynch. I like Lynch the quarterback from Memphis,
Speaker 1: And I know you like golf and I David has
Speaker 1: got to see both of them playing. We'll get that
Speaker 1: squared up for him. But it depends on you know.
Speaker 1: I have a feeling and just for the Cowboys, I
Speaker 1: have a feeling that they'll probably like Golf better than Lynch.
Speaker 1: If I had to guess, yeah, if I just had
Speaker 1: the guests, i'd agree, and you know it's better well
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, people have their opinions on guys.
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that, and I don't have a problem.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think I think you know, I
Speaker 1: worked with with Jeff Kavanaugh and those guys he's got.
Speaker 1: It is a huge gap. I don't think it's a
Speaker 1: huge gap between these two guys. Let me ask you us,
Speaker 1: how many quarterbacks in this draft do you see as
Speaker 1: future NFL starters? I mean we, okay, we you think
Speaker 1: Golf and Lynch, you think Wentz, which but Cook you
Speaker 1: think he's a future NFL starter? See, I think he is.
Speaker 1: I think he is too. I think he's a low ceiling. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think the Penn State guy has got a
Speaker 1: shot that he's the wild card. I think Hackenburg is
Speaker 1: the wild card in this Uh. You see the talent,
Speaker 1: but he's just such a mess. He needs so much work. Um.
Speaker 1: I think it's more of a question is you know,
Speaker 1: when will he be able to start? When can he
Speaker 1: see starting reps? But you know, if you're not gonna
Speaker 1: draft a quarterback at four? Can you? Can you wait?
Speaker 1: Or where? If these quarterbacks are wild cards this year?
Speaker 1: I think he felt really good about Winston Mariota one
Speaker 1: one and two last year. This year with these quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: I don't know who just made my argument for me? Yeah,
Speaker 1: why are you taking a risk on a guy like that?
Speaker 1: I will say to the To the caller's point, though,
Speaker 1: Sam's Sam is he's very very intriguing. Though, when you
Speaker 1: get into the top five like this, I mean you
Speaker 1: remember the RG three trade. Some crazy stuff could happen
Speaker 1: if somebody decides they need to get absolutely and and
Speaker 1: so and Another thing though, is, but let's not window
Speaker 1: dress our board here. If golf is golf, why don't
Speaker 1: we say say golf, it's golf, golf golf. If you
Speaker 1: if he's well done, if he's the if he's your
Speaker 1: highest rated guy on your board at four, and he's
Speaker 1: still there taking we need to do like five shows
Speaker 1: just on quarterbacks. We did probably, so we'll put this
Speaker 1: one in the can. How about the half for sure? Hey,
Speaker 1: thanks everybody out there for joining us, and thank you
Speaker 1: for helping us to get through the show with your
Speaker 1: calls and your tweets. We appreciate everybody out there. Next
Speaker 1: week we'll be back at eleven am UH Central time.
Speaker 1: We'll get into the Senior Bowl. We're all heading to Mobile.
Speaker 1: We'll have shows from Mobile every day U talking about
Speaker 1: the players down there and what's going on there. So
Speaker 1: for my scouts, Dane Burglar, David Hellman, our executive producer
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Speaker 1: being with us and we'll see you next week on
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