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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys like Byron Joe and now your hosts Dane Brugler,

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Speaker 1: David Hellman and Brian brought us. Well. Once again, we

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Speaker 1: are back to begin another journey, the Draft Show, the

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Speaker 1: the Villa Draft Extra right there after after a little

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Speaker 1: make it for the debut, sir, apologize for that, but

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Speaker 1: glad we're getting getting going. We're over just over one

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Speaker 1: Tiny Jim. We've got one hundred days or so to

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Speaker 1: the draft, but given the way that Cowboys season win

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Speaker 1: about one hundred days. Yeah, I think that's where the uh.

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Speaker 1: I think that's where once the the we were cheering

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Speaker 1: as Jerry Jones said, though you deserve this pick, and uh,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna The way to get in on that

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Speaker 1: to be submitted. If you want to follow David Hellman

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Speaker 1: following at the Draft show and submit it there. So, gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get right into this. Yeah, I'm gonna make

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Speaker 1: this happen. And Dave, you're starting to do some work

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Speaker 1: with me on watching some tape. Dane has been at

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Speaker 1: this for the majority of the year. I'm about one

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Speaker 1: the road. UM. I want to look at though, these

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Speaker 1: position groups staying and I'll start with you. And as

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Speaker 1: The position groups that maybe might have the most depth.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about what the Cowboys minding. I'm

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Speaker 1: How about though, Dave. You know, Dane brought up and

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Speaker 1: but these one time at thirty four, I think, Dane

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Speaker 1: value for if you're a Cowboy fan. That's right in

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Speaker 1: the range that Malcolm Brown went last year, and he's

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Speaker 1: I'm liking Austin Johnson a lot. We turned we wanted

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Speaker 1: Which is kind of what Nica and with Austin Johnson.

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Speaker 1: The production matches the tape. I mean, he had seventy

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Speaker 1: thirty four? Sure? I mean, he's such a fair talented player,

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Speaker 1: and he will be at the Senior Bowl, right and

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Speaker 1: there's a good chance of cowboys will be coaching him.

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Speaker 1: seems like the Senior Bowl roster is absolutely loaded compared

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Speaker 1: a little Twitter on the twenty right now. Twitter, is

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Speaker 1: So we appreciate everybody out there that does does send

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Speaker 1: in questions. Again, what skin follow us at the Draft show? Uh,

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Speaker 1: things we're doing. We're gonna be a pictures of Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Dane's son keeping with his first round outfit on but

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Speaker 1: That's the best way to get a hold of us

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Speaker 1: it's all yours. I'm gonna start you all out with

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Speaker 1: like a real serious draftnick question from Addison sounds like

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Speaker 1: he knows what he's talking about, and it's something that

477
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Speaker 1: I actually wondered about watching tape. Do you worry or

478
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Speaker 1: wonder about how Miles Jack projects at middle linebacker given

479
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Speaker 1: that most of his tape is of him playing outside

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Speaker 1: or even in the slot. Sure, I mean that I

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Speaker 1: think his best position at the next level is going

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Speaker 1: to be weak side. I think that's where you can

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Speaker 1: best see his abilities in space, his abilities in coverage,

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Speaker 1: and so it is a little bit of a projection

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Speaker 1: moving him inside. What do you think, right, No, I

486
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Speaker 1: think me, I'm personally I'm gonna try and play him.

487
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 1: I just think he's one of those rare players, a

488
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Speaker 1: dynamic players that you could put him at any position.

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Speaker 1: I think that again, he's gonna put on weight. He's

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Speaker 1: a physical guy. He understand he can run, he can

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Speaker 1: avoid see at the mic linebacker spot. To me, the

492
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Speaker 1: problems you have is if you can't run, if you

493
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Speaker 1: can't get away from block, if you can't if you

494
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Speaker 1: had He's one of those guys that he doesn't have

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Speaker 1: to take on a lot of blocks, so he's always

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Speaker 1: on the go. I understand the question about because it

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Speaker 1: is it's a little bit of a projection, but it's

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Speaker 1: a light watching. It's it's like watching a guy like these,

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Speaker 1: these these linebackers here. They draft him with the thought of, hey,

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Speaker 1: you could play any one of the spots, and I

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Speaker 1: think that Miles Jack is that rare of a player

502
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Speaker 1: and he could play any one of those spots and

503
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Speaker 1: be outstanding at what he does. Josh Norris was tweeting

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Speaker 1: out vines of him playing running back last night. Yeah,

505
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 1: he was like housing sixty six yard touchdown runs. At

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Speaker 1: running he'd be a top fifty pick running back home.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's talent, but he's so he's so good

508
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Speaker 1: on the move. I mean it's it's everything is like

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Speaker 1: see gone go get contact balance exactly, acceleration easily to

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Speaker 1: you know, get his top speed quickly. He's special. Keyword

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Speaker 1: contact balance. If he was getting knocked back, if it

512
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Speaker 1: was one of those things where he was struggling, then

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Speaker 1: I would be Okay, draft Treadwell, draft Tounsil, draft somebody.

514
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Speaker 1: But but when you watch him, I mean he is

515
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Speaker 1: a play making guy. And that sidelines and sideline, it's downhill,

516
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Speaker 1: it's getting in coverage, never coming off the field. Very

517
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Speaker 1: similar to what they got to that guy Carolina, that

518
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 1: guy that can run up the field, cover people, be

519
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Speaker 1: disruptive down in the bosom. Yeah, And that's that type

520
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: of runner, that type of guy that they can go

521
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Speaker 1: and get those plays. Miles Jack's probably the best linebacker

522
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 1: we've seen in coverage as a prospect. Right That's encouraging. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he might be kind of good. He is kind of

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Speaker 1: a lot of five guy. Yeah, all right, So moving on,

525
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: just a very small amount of backstory. Mel Kiper put

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Speaker 1: out his first mock, Yeah, Oregon defensive end. DeForrest Buckner

527
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Speaker 1: was his mock to the Cowboys, who plays in a

528
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Speaker 1: three forward Oregon? Which, so Adam wants to know. Not

529
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Speaker 1: a fan of Kiper's mock overall, but just to entertain

530
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Speaker 1: the idea Ken DeForrest Buckner play for three defensive end

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Speaker 1: the way Marinelli would want him to. Good. Question at him, Well,

532
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Speaker 1: if we if he did play in a four to three,

533
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Speaker 1: you think he play inside or outside? I think he

534
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 1: would play inside and him think he'd be a tackle

535
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Speaker 1: more than I would. And I'm gonna hate to say this.

536
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Speaker 1: I think he's a one. Everybody's a one just from that.

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00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: But I mean, but I don't. Again, that's that's talking

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Speaker 1: about a guy, you know, because we've seen him play

539
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Speaker 1: with a tall guy. We've seen David Irvin play here

540
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 1: and they played him inside where you thought, oh, David

541
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Speaker 1: Urban is automatically going to play as a as a

542
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Speaker 1: defensive end. I think this guy, I wouldn't touch this guy.

543
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: Because he's a three four defensive end. To me, that's

544
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: his best position. That's his best position. So again, you know,

545
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 1: Kiper put him at four. Again, that's why you should

546
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Speaker 1: follow Dane's mock draft and the guys at CBS Sports

547
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: don't worry so much about what's going on on that

548
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: other station and stuff like that because there's because it's

549
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: more about the position, right, you know, it's a fit,

550
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 1: Especially when you're picking that early. You want to get

551
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 1: a guy that fits. And Buckler is a good player.

552
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 1: He became a better pass rusher this year. Yeah, but

553
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 1: I just don't like his fit at four, not at four,

554
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: not at all, and not playing as a What people

555
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: would say is maybe play him as a defensive end.

556
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 1: And in this game, John wants to know and okay

557
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,479
Speaker 1: when shifting gears surprised we haven't said this name by now,

558
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: John wants to know what does the secondary look like

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Speaker 1: if you draft Jalen Ramsey? Can he play strong safety?

560
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 1: Does he play cornerback? With Byron Jones at safety, etc.

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Speaker 1: I think Jalen Ramsey can play either safety. Yeah, he

562
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: can play strong. He played free We saw him do

563
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: just a little bit of everything at Florida state from

564
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: corner on the outside in the boundary to you know,

565
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: a free to a nickel position to a strong. Yeah.

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00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: We really saw him do everything, and I think he's

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00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: a better safety than corner. He will be a corner

568
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: on some team's boards around the league just because he

569
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: has that size. He's a world class jumper. There's a

570
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 1: lot of things about him you like in terms of projection,

571
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: and that's why I think he'll be a corner for

572
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: a lot of teams. But for me, he's a better safety.

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Speaker 1: And so whether he's at free or at strong, I

574
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 1: just want him on my team. Yeah, he there there.

575
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: I talked to a couple of scouts like Dane does,

576
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 1: and one of them, a guy has it sold me, says,

577
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: I'm selling it in my guys as that Seattle type

578
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 1: of corner, that the big, rangy, physical, tall guy. So yeah,

579
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: he says, But they also the scout told me, he says, Hey, Brian,

580
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 1: he's also a damn good safety. So again, you could

581
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 1: watch him. I'll tell you where I think he's really

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00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: good is you put him down in the round in

583
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: the box area though, and watch him blitz and and

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00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: what he deflects passes. He's a long arm exactly. He's

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00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: a guy. He understands how to get in lanes, how

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00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: to get his hands up, he understands how to blitz,

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00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 1: he understands how to chase, and he's physical enough as

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00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: a tackler to play down. He was primarily the left

589
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: corner for Full of Safe this year. That's right. It

590
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 1: seemed like last year in twenty fourteen, they had him

591
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 1: like doing the Byron Jones thing where he's never in

592
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: the same that's because the star Star Nickel position where yeah,

593
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: he was all over as Bob right. I like his

594
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: freshman year he was both a corn or inter free safety.

595
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 1: So they really moved him over and they they schemed

596
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: him to his strengths and and that's a good thing. Yeah.

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00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 1: I think this guy really I think the pedal of

598
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: the turn. I think he could do a lot of

599
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: good things. I like the thought of him being a

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Speaker 1: dimeback like Byron was this year. Yeah. Again, don't let

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Speaker 1: scheme fool you here, because you could play Byron and

602
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: this guy interchangeable and it wouldn't be a problem. I mean,

603
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: it don't feel like one has to be a strong

604
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: safety and one has to be a free safety. If

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00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: they go there. At me, personally, I would draft this

606
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: kid and maybe consider putting Byron as a to try

607
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: and help spots. But we've seen in his scheme with Seattle,

608
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: how if you had the two safeties and you fill

609
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: the corners, if Scandrick being one of them, and somebody else,

610
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: maybe somebody else develops with Ramsey, if you were to

611
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: combine a corner, a safety, and a linebacker and a

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00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: one procesct, I think he would look something similar to

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Speaker 1: Jaalen Rand. He's that versage. I agree, all right, trying

614
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 1: to hit as many as possible. Leonardo wants to know

615
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: is Shack Lawson in the conversation at four it's a

616
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: little early. I think Loss is a darn good a player.

617
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: I mean, he's we need to find out about the knee.

618
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: Has a little bit of a NIE sprain his left knee,

619
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Speaker 1: which kept him out for parts of the Orange Bowl

620
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: in for the National Championship Game. But when he's healthy,

621
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: he's a darn good player. He had twenty five and

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00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: a half tackles for Loss this year. He's only a

623
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: one year starter, but he came off the bench the

624
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: last two years. He had finished his career with like

625
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: forty six and a half tackles for loss. I mean

626
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: in the production matches the tape, right, you see him

627
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: with with this strength to take on blocks, to shed

628
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: against Ronnie Stanley Notre Dame. That match up was outstanding.

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Speaker 1: Those guys going back with Dave the one we were

630
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Speaker 1: watching that Dave. But Stanley look really bad, he did.

631
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: I saw. I think it was Dane actually had him

632
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Speaker 1: mocked in the top ten and I'm going to the

633
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: Giants at ten. Yeah, yeah, I thought that's a good call.

634
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: I think he's stiwhere in that top field teen range.

635
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: But to me, he's not one of the top four

636
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: players in this draft. You're talking about you, you're talking

637
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: about losson though, right, I'm sorry, I'm in Stanley. Oh no, no, yeah, yeah, Boston, well,

638
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: Stanley too, he's in that top ten as well, But

639
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: if we're talking top four, top five, to me, Loston's

640
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: not He's He's better than Bosa in your mind on

641
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: your board, right, No, I like Bosa better, No, say

642
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: better than Bosa is my number one there defensive end here. Okay,

643
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: Matt wants to know, is there any chance that Notre

644
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: Dame linebacker Jalen Smith tumbles into the second round after

645
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: having knee surgery injured his leg in the Bowl game

646
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks week ago. Those of y'all who

647
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: weren't watching, Yeah, you hate to see that. It was

648
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: such a good player and a good kid too. He's

649
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: done everything well, uh started every game at Notre Dame

650
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: except and then he got hurt in the last possible game.

651
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: So you hate to see it, but we won't. No

652
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: one can answer this question with any certainty until March

653
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: and April, when the doctors get a chance to look

654
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: at the knee, look at the rehab. You know House's

655
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: recovery going and as long as it's on pace, you

656
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: know it's going well. And he has a chance to play,

657
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: maybe in the last quarter of his NFL rookie season.

658
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: I still think he goes in the first round. Well,

659
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: I think somewhere top thirties. Yeah, he's in good hands.

660
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: Doctor Fowler here did the surgery. The Cowboys a team doctor,

661
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: and he's outstanding, So the kid will be as good

662
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: as new. Though I agree with Dan, I don't see him.

663
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: I don't see him falling out of the first round.

664
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: I think that somebody's gonna maybe red red shirt you know,

665
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: maybe a red shirt situation or halfway through. I mean,

666
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: he is a top he would be a top five

667
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: pick in my opinion, maybe a consideration. Look at it

668
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: this way. Dante Fowler miss his entire rookie year last

669
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: year from Jacks number three pick last year. Right, if

670
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: you knew going into the draft that he was gonna

671
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: have to miss his entire year take a red shirt,

672
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: would he still go first round? I think so. Yeah,

673
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: And so the same thing with Jalen Smith. I think

674
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: we'll still see him goes maybe even top twenty. Absolutely fine, Absolutely,

675
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: Maurice wants to know. And this is fitting because he

676
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: just declared the other day. Thoughts on Billings, the defensive

677
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: tackle out of Baylor. His first name escapes me right now,

678
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: Andrew Andrew Billings, thank you. Yeah, he was banged up

679
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: a little bit this year with a with a lower

680
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: leg injury. But he's so strong and you know he

681
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: was a he's a weightlifter and that's his first love,

682
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: and you see that translate to the football field. Um.

683
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: I have some questions about his instincts, his ball awareness,

684
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: his backfield vision, but I am very encouraged by just

685
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,719
Speaker 1: his point point attack strength, his ability to move an

686
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 1: impact as a nose or a one technique. So I

687
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be able to help a lot of

688
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: those teams in the back half a round one. I don't.

689
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: I don't think we see him still on the board

690
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: in the early second round. No, I don't think so either, though.

691
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: I you know, we laugh about the one technique. He's

692
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: my best one technique and what I've seen and I

693
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: and I just I think this guy, when you start

694
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,959
Speaker 1: talking about you know you were you were saying, give

695
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: me an upfield player, guy that hold the point, Give

696
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: me a guy that could get up the field. Give

697
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: me the guy that plays with bounce, Give me the

698
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: guy free himself. He's a hard guy to block. He

699
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: is a hard guy to block one on one, and

700
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: he and he protects a lot of I mean you,

701
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: guy like that allows a lot of other people to

702
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: make plays, and especially something in this scheme right here,

703
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: if they somehow and I don't think they will. I

704
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: don't think Dallas ends up with Andrew Billings. I don't

705
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: think that happens. But my gosh, he would be an

706
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: outstanding scheme fit here for what they do. When we

707
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: talked about him, allowing other you know, his teammates to

708
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: make plays. Yeah, Andrew Billings still lead the team and

709
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: tackles for loss. He still loved the team and sacks.

710
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: So while you're absolutely right he was doing those things,

711
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: it wasn't Sean Oakman. They getting out the production. That's

712
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: still Andrew Billings. Yeah, this guy. I mean, I just

713
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: looking at my notes. I mean you talk about capturing

714
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: the edge. You know, he gets on these guys and

715
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: playing one. Didn't you know, the quick move to get around,

716
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: get up the field. He's just he's a difficult guy.

717
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: I was. I was happy for him that you know,

718
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: I'm sad for Baylor because he's such a great player.

719
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: I mean, he should have gone back, but he's gonna

720
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: get drafted the first night. Still took load to the ground,

721
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: that natural leverage. Too good of a player, Just too

722
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: good of a player. Dane. This is interesting to me

723
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: because you just were talking about how they're different players,

724
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: and I think that's pretty obvious if you watch them.

725
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: Nor Lean wants to know, do you think Treadwell is

726
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: as good as Cooper coming out? I mean entering with

727
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: no pro experience, entering the draft. Now, you know, if

728
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: Treadwell is in last year's draft. I still think Cooper

729
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: probably goes ahead of him, But I don't, you know,

730
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: they're they're different types, they win in different ways. Their

731
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: strengths are different. Cooper is a more you know, he's quicker, exactly,

732
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: He's gonna separating his routh right, absolutely. Yeah. And with Treadwell,

733
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: I mean he was productive in the SEC. It tread

734
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: Well actually did something that no other receiver ever did

735
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 1: in the SEC. You talk about all the talented receivers

736
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: that you know, Mike Evans, Cooper, Beckham, Landry, all these guys.

737
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: This year, Treadwell had five straight games with over one

738
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: hundred yards and at least five catches one touchdown. No

739
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: other SEC receiver has ever done that, right, But again,

740
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 1: his strengths are different, So I would give him ARII

741
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: Cooper the edge in terms of a better player, but

742
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: Treadwell is close number two. He would love to have

743
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 1: Cooper and Dez Bryant playing together. Yeah, yeah, just because

744
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: you watch you watch again the route running in Alabama.

745
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: To me, it's you know, you always see about Alabama

746
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: and the ability to run the football and how the backs,

747
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: but they've developed some receivers they put some guys in

748
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: and and and Cooper to me is one of those

749
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,959
Speaker 1: guys when you watched him play routes all over the place.

750
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,479
Speaker 1: With Treadwell, it's more to me, up the field slants ends,

751
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: not so much the motion and go and be an

752
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: option route guy. This is more of a up the

753
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: field type of a player. And let me ask you,

754
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: you might have a better field for this. But the Cowboys,

755
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: you know, they have the X with Dez, right, they

756
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: have why yeah, looking at a Z, yeah, you know it.

757
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: Treadwell is not You're a prototypical Z. But you know,

758
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: would this staff say, you know what, he's good enough,

759
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: he's good enough? Yeah? Or they want a guy like

760
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: a like a Will Fuller who can stretch the field.

761
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: See that's the thing, that's the question. It's I mean,

762
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: it's not you are yeah because you got you got

763
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: an X. You got an X and really in Dez

764
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have an X really and you know,

765
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: but could you could you do things with I mean,

766
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: they they're pretty much of I mean, they don't move

767
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: guys around much. When they moved Dez, they put him

768
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: in the slot a little bit. But I just think

769
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: it's too inviting to have a guy that skill set.

770
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: Keep in mind, to play Terrence fits that skill set

771
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: and he's not going anywhere, so you still have that. Yeah,

772
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: and with another guy, I mean that can only help

773
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: the argument. What do you guess he's trying to say

774
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: is would you would you play? Be able to play

775
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: both of them? That's the that's the question, and I'm

776
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: all for that. If I'm running this game, I find

777
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: a way. But one of them can play in the

778
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: slow But this coaching staff or off the line as yeah, right,

779
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: this coaching staff. Do you think they'd be comfortable with

780
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: a treadwall as a Z? Not your part of protypical Z.

781
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: But he's still that talented receiver where I don't care.

782
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna find a way to give it the ball. Yeah, yeah,

783
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: absolutely have to be creative with um. As long as

784
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: you know it's the first show. Last year's draft is

785
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: still freshen the mind. UM do it again because Kenneth

786
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: wants to know how Ezekiel Elliott compares to Todd Gurley,

787
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: the consensus number one running backs from each of the

788
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: last two drafts. I mean, we love both these guys, Yeah,

789
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: I mean we we we gush about Gurly last year.

790
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: If not for the kneed, you'd be talking about him

791
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: and he's still went top ten, right, Zeke, I mean

792
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 1: what can't he do? Right? I mean he's so well rounded.

793
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: He's not as special overall as Girly. Yeah, but he's close.

794
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not far off. It's just hard to

795
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: find weaknesses in his game. Yeah. So let me ask

796
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 1: you guys this, And Dave you brought up earlier about

797
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: minimizing and you said it too as well, minimizing era

798
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 1: or mistake. Yeah, you look at a guy like Ezekiel

799
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: Elliott and Dan just told you he doesn't have many holes.

800
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: And I totally agree on this. You know how you

801
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: feel he's one of my top five players. You would

802
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 1: take Zeke at four, and I would. You might be

803
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: alone in that in the world. I might be alone.

804
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: I might be And that's okay, you have to consider it.

805
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: I'm looking at my board, though, I'm looking at my board,

806
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to minimize risks. I know, I'm looking

807
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: at him seeing and a guy who I trust over here,

808
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 1: who evaluates players, is telling me that, Hey, not many

809
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 1: holes in this guy. Hard to find problems with him.

810
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 1: He catches, he runs, and he blocks, he does all

811
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: those things, and you put him in a system where

812
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: he's gonna have a chance to they'll hand him the

813
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 1: football and he's gonna have He's gonna be a he

814
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: would be a very productive back in this jockel because

815
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: he'd never come off the field. Rookie of the Year, Aaron,

816
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: Let's go back to last year picking top ten, how

817
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 1: many of those teams one through nine would have taken

818
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,720
Speaker 1: Gurly knowing what we saw this year as a rookie.

819
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: If not for Jameis Winston, Todd, Gurley's your offensive rookie

820
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: of the year. Sure, so you know, would he have

821
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: gone higher? And last year's draft, if we redrafted, I

822
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: think he would have had him. I had him over

823
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: the two quarterbacks. That's me with Zeke. You know, it's

824
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be interesting because you have to think

825
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: about value in these running backs and where do you

826
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: take one? And you know, at one point does talent

827
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: supersed value at the position? Right? That's I think I think,

828
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: like I don't know that and I'm not saying anything groundbreaking,

829
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: but I didn't salary app analysis and analytics. I think

830
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: factors more into running back than like any other position.

831
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: And let me just say this though, for what you

832
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: guys just said, if you don't, if if people don't,

833
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: especially this group here, doesn't think that Treadwill can play

834
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: as a Z or that Dez couldn't play as a Z.

835
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: Isn't that we talked about? Okay, maybe there's questions about

836
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 1: Miles Jack playing a MIC linebacker, maybe there's questions about

837
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,720
Speaker 1: tread will play in the Z. Are there less questions

838
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: about Ezekiel Elliott playing running back and not and not

839
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: and going forward? For some absolutely? Right? I completely hear you.

840
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: I just worry and I like Elliot a lot, I

841
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: really do, but taking a running back fourth overall just

842
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 1: scares the youd take. You would take Ramsey before you

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Speaker 1: would take Elliot? Would you? I do? And for this

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Speaker 1: not taking running back. That I got you, all right?

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Speaker 1: That's but that and you know, welcome to the draft show.

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Speaker 1: It's idol idol fan talk that you can't really speculate about.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I honestly I would do backflips all the

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Speaker 1: way back to my desk if you told me that

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Speaker 1: they could trade to nine or ten and draft Elliott

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Speaker 1: with that pick. Yeah, add another pick. Okay, we're getting

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Speaker 1: Brian broad Us, Dame Burglar, David Hellman, Ken Garrison, executive producer,

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Speaker 1: carrying you for the next fifteen minutes or so. I

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Speaker 1: wanted to get in real quick. Just looking back at

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Speaker 1: the last year's draft, give me two guys, give me

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00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: one guy you were tremendously right about, and give me

905
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: one guy you were tremendously wrong about. Just from this

906
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: from what you saw this year in the NFL season.

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00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: Don't have to be a great depth, just kind of

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00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: well I don't think I've shut up about the one

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00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: guy that I felt really good out since about Thanksgiving,

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00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: because he's gonna win Defensive Rookie of the Year. So

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00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: I mean, Marcus Peters killed it, killed it for the Chiefs.

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00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I remember one of the dominating

913
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: topics of conversation last year was Peters, Johnson, well corner,

914
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: but Peter, Peters, Johnson, and Byron absolutely those were the three.

915
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: And I think we all liked and dislike different things

916
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: about him, and I think we all agreed that Peters

917
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: was a good player, but I think we thought that

918
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: the character concerns would eventually turn the Cowboys off. Obviously,

919
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: he went off the board ten hole picks before the

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00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: Cowboys even picked, so it's not like they passed on him.

921
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: But I just really liked I liked his style. I

922
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: liked his the way, you know, the way he played

923
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: it like this tape, and I liked, you know, what

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00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: they said about him that was a character concern was that,

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00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: you know, he got into it with his coaches. I

926
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: kind of liked that five greeness too. So he's got

927
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: eight picks and the Chiefs are still in the playoffs,

928
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: and I would be stunned if he's not defensive Rookie

929
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: of the Year. Um. I really liked Tyler Lockett too. Yeah,

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00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 1: which again like that's not a who is your wrong? Yeah,

931
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: we're wrong. I really loved Melvin Gordon. He didn't have

932
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: such a right here. Yeah I thought Melvin I mean

933
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon, two thousand yard back for the Dallas Cowboys.

934
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: Dane A guy got wrong or right. He's played a

935
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Speaker 1: lot better than my thought. Rob Havnstein yeh Off of

936
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,439
Speaker 1: the tackle went to the Rams. I started thirteen games.

937
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: I thought he was stiff. I thought, you know, he

938
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: could move people in the run game, but in past

939
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: protection I worried. But he did a nice job this year.

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Speaker 1: Guys that I got right. Um, I think Ali Marpett

941
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: I loved him coming out, you know at the Senior Bowl.

942
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: He impressed me so much for a D three kid.

943
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: He had a good rookie year. Eric Kendricks, the UCLA linebacker.

944
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: You just had to look past the measurable. He's not

945
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: the biggest, not the fastest. That's where you just trust

946
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: the tape. He just hits everything that moves. Hey, he's

947
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: had He started double digit games for the Vikings and

948
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 1: then Ronald Derby guy gave a late first round grade

949
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: two for out of Florida State, went to Buffalo and

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00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: he had over twenty passes defended this year, started all

951
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: but one game, So I think Ronald Derby really had

952
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: himself a good year. Yeah, I think, yeah, that was good.

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00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,240
Speaker 1: I'll throw one in there, Brian. And in the opposite direction,

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00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: I thought boy from LSU Denil Hunter was a big

955
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: kpe like I didn't think he was worth a damn Yeah,

956
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: goes and get six sacks as a rookie for a

957
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: playoff team. Yeah, I'm just gonna focus on a guy

958
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: I thought I was wrong about. I think that, uh

959
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: and and focusing on running back. I thought Coleman was

960
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: going to be much better in Atlanta and he got. Yeah,

961
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: he got. Really he's banged up, but that still I was.

962
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: I was thinking that Atlanta, and I was talking with

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00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: Tommy dimitrof my buddy, and I said, hey, Tommy, nice

964
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: picked up up up a BA and you know, sure enough,

965
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Speaker 1: you know there's a season floated on it. Freeman was

966
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: a much better player, and I really really sold Coleman,

967
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: and I'm disappointed that he didn't do better. So okay,

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00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: Kent Garrison, Yes, do we have some calls lined up

969
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: that we can talk to some folks about. Yeah, Brian,

970
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: phones are ringing off the hook. Okay, we'll start with

971
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: Grant in North Carolina. Okay, Grant before we get going.

972
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: Everybody's doing well, and if you could just get your question,

973
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: I would appreciate that, So go ahead, sir. All right, Um,

974
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: I'm with Dave all the way. I will love to

975
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 1: have tread Well. See some people say we don't need

976
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: a receiver. I think that we do need a receiver.

977
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 1: I would like to get tread Well. If not him,

978
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: I love to have Ramsey. Okay, what do you guys think?

979
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 1: Is it possible we can get Carson Wentz in the

980
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: second round and Dane? Are there any good receivers coming

981
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:27,280
Speaker 1: out of clumps and late? Because I'm loving DeAndre Hopkins, Martavis, Brian,

982
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: Sammy Watkins. Somebody's coaching some receivers lived there, so if

983
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: he's somebody late we can get from there. Appreciate it's

984
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 1: all you do, guys, Thank you very much for the call. Well,

985
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: first of all, Clump said, no, he's right. They've been

986
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: a wide receiver amazingly. Remember that guy he's doing and

987
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: whoever's recruiting and who's ever coaching. They got a senior

988
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: coming out this year at number nineteen, Sharon Peek, a

989
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: topper crew. Didn't really have that greade of a year

990
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: or great career coming into this year, but stepped it up,

991
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: played a little bit better. He's up more of a

992
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: late round guy, but he'd be the only clumps in

993
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: receiver this year. But back to his main question with

994
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz Ye know, I going into this year, I

995
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: really liked him. I thought, you know, this is solid

996
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: second third round guy. The more you watched him, you're like, okay,

997
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: maybe early second round Cowboys, that'd be a great fit.

998
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: And then the more you see and I went and

999
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: saw him live last week at the FCS Championship game.

1000
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: His first game sends October. I expected to see some

1001
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: rust right the right wrist injury, and he goes out

1002
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: there and looks outstanding. I mean it just the physical

1003
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: tools are there, but also the passing tools you want,

1004
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: throwing with anticipation, throwing with timing. I still stares down

1005
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 1: receivers more than you want, but everything's there. I just

1006
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: don't see any way how he lasts the second round. Yeah,

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00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,879
Speaker 1: I don't either. I just think that there's too many

1008
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: things to work with their You know, his idol is

1009
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, and there's some times when you watch him

1010
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: a tape where Rogers makes that sideways and he'll kind

1011
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: of sling, kind of sling the ball. Ye, he's got

1012
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: a little bit. You can see he's watched some Green

1013
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: Bay tape. He watched Rogers. But you can see that, right,

1014
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: he who like it will kind of float and then

1015
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, his legs, his feet will be

1016
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: one spot in his body be the other. He'll just

1017
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: kind of go, just flick it. And it makes to

1018
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: me I see a souped up version of Alex Smith.

1019
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: That's what I see. A guy that he's a bigger

1020
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: guy than Alex Smith, has a better arm, but the

1021
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: intelligence in the athleticism, that's where I see it. The

1022
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 1: second read dange, Right, the second read is gonna be

1023
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: a little bit of a problem for him. I know

1024
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: I'm asking you all to project, but like, all right,

1025
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:23,919
Speaker 1: so'll a range, Like, give me a range of where

1026
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: twenty to thirty. I think the Senior Bowl is really

1027
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: gonna tell us that, Yeah, you know, and I think

1028
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: we've never we've seen him against one FBS team in

1029
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: his career that I would say, first first game he

1030
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: ever started two years ago. So going up against some

1031
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: FBS talent, you know, the best of the best, getting

1032
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: some pro coaching at the Senior Bowl, Mobile will be

1033
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: will be big for him. And as long as he

1034
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: doesn't fall in his face, he's gonna go somewhere. I'd

1035
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 1: say top twenty five, the Texans at twenty two, come on,

1036
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: they can't pass. Get ready, folks, Your Cowboy coaches are

1037
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: coaching him in this Bowl game. This is the definition

1038
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: of irony to me is that the Cowboys, for the

1039
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: first time in a quarter of a century, you have

1040
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: a pick where you traditionally get a franchise quarterback. But

1041
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: it seems like you feel a lot better about picking

1042
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks in the twelve example where the Cowboys are

1043
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: usually picked. Okay, kit, what do we got? All right?

1044
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: Trey and Georgetown? Trey You're on? Hey, you guys speaking

1045
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: on Carson once. Matt Miller just let out a scouting

1046
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: notebook where he had Carson Wentz in top ten. Okay,

1047
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: on that, and my question is, um, I'm gonna talk

1048
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: about the Senior Bowl this year. I know y'all are too.

1049
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 1: Here's some players I'm excited about watching. I want to

1050
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: see you if you think you can make it tick

1051
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: the Cowboys team and what do you think about him? Okay,

1052
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: Eric Stryker, Kars Dixon, Nick Martin, William Jackson the third

1053
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: and Jeremy Cash. Okay, thank you much for a call.

1054
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: Did you get them all? I think with it was

1055
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: couple with Striker. Williams was one of the guys too.

1056
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: It's the quarter from Houston, right right, the big guy,

1057
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: the typest corner Seattle is gonna exactly um and he

1058
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 1: led the nation and passes defended that you get like

1059
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: twenty seven, ungodly number. He plays well. Eric Striker is

1060
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: really interesting to me because what's his position? Where does

1061
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: he play? Where? Where will the teams line them up

1062
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: during Senior Bowl practices. I think that'll be interesting to

1063
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 1: watch because he's not really big enough to be a

1064
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: defensive end or like a three four pass rusher. But

1065
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: can he hold up in reverse, you know, being a

1066
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 1: more traditional week side linebacker strong side? Sure, I just

1067
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: don't know where to play him, and so because of that,

1068
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: I think he's more of a fourth round type of guy,

1069
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: not the top one hundred, but you see the burst

1070
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: you see you know he's an athlete. So the Senior

1071
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: Bowl will be big feric striker. Yeah. It usually is

1072
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 1: again with a pro coach and they'll they'll figure out

1073
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 1: a spot form. I'll answer the question about Dixon. I

1074
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: don't know the Senior Bowl. Yeah, yeah, I'll tell you what.

1075
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: I like this kid a lot. I really do. I

1076
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: think that, you know, just looking at my notes here,

1077
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: he can make people miss. He's explosive, he's got stop

1078
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: start quickness, he's hard to tackle, he's he's got division

1079
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: to see holes. He's runs tough, he fights to finish

1080
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: plays with balance. I mean, these are all things that

1081
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: I saw this kid and he and at five ten,

1082
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: two twelve, you know what, he's a tough kid when

1083
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: you watch him play. He's in that mix. There's a

1084
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: lot of these guys that who's gonna be a second round,

1085
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 1: Who's gonna be a third Maybe the group might not

1086
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 1: be as good and right now is what we think

1087
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: is what last year's group was. But I think they've

1088
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,879
Speaker 1: got some guys in there, Dixon being one of those guys.

1089
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: Value Where where do you see his value. I had

1090
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 1: him in the third round. I had him in third

1091
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: round the Cowboys early third rounder. Is that is that

1092
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: too high for him or no? I you know what,

1093
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna put him in the third round, I'm

1094
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,959
Speaker 1: gonna take him in the third round. I'm talking top

1095
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: seventy pick. Yeah. I like him that way. I do.

1096
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: I will have my eye on him because running back

1097
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: is the easiest position for an idiot like me to watch,

1098
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: and I'm obsessed. I mean, it's the easiest position for

1099
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: a rookie to come in and contribute on. I think so,

1100
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 1: especially Himmer, Booker, maybe him or Booker from Utah. I'm

1101
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: a Booker fan. See. I like Booker here. He will

1102
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: not be at the Senior Bowl. See, but that's what

1103
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I think Booker goes I think Booker goes before.

1104
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: That's why I would say I would take Booker before.

1105
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 1: And I'm talking about Booker out there from Utah. Book

1106
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,439
Speaker 1: he's dealing with the knee right now, missed the last

1107
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: few games. I won't play at the Senior Bowl because

1108
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: of that knee. You watched him a little bit that

1109
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,439
Speaker 1: you just run, dude, yes, run like don't dance, that's

1110
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: what they would say. They don't dance, just run. No,

1111
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: he he wants to be a home run threat. I

1112
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 1: mean that's and one or more guy that he mentioned,

1113
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: Jeremy Cash. Yeah. To me, this year's Dion Buchanan exactly.

1114
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: That physical safety is a formeral house state guy. Uh

1115
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: went to Duke. He was last three years over one

1116
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: hundred yards each season, hundred tackles. Yeah, um, this guy

1117
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: can do it all. Yes, tackles safety in the draft, Yeah, absolutely,

1118
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: I agree with that. Tackles for loss, it's all there. Yeah,

1119
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: all right. I hope I hope that these rosters hold

1120
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: up because I mean it sounds like this is going

1121
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: to be about as good as a Senior Bowl roster could.

1122
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,439
Speaker 1: They've had it in the last few years. I can't

1123
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: got another one. Yeah, Camaro, Cowboy Barry in Treeport, Berry,

1124
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: what's up? Hey, guys, how ya doing? Uh? Listen? I

1125
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,959
Speaker 1: know the Cowboys fans might be leery of cornerbacks coming

1126
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: from mele issue, but I was just curious to know

1127
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: where UH might go in the draft, and also why

1128
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: don't they have a Junior Bowl UH where we can

1129
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 1: see these guys too, and and being coached up life yet, OK,

1130
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: talk he had to come out. Yeah, let something happen.

1131
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: He has not declared, so he Kendall Beck with which

1132
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: selfishly as an LSU fans stay right where you are. Yeah,

1133
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: exactly exactly, But they have that new defensive coordinator trying

1134
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: to Yeah, Dave rand is coming down from Wisconsin anyway. Um,

1135
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 1: he's a freak athlete. He's he's very close with Mo claiborne. Sure,

1136
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 1: that's not what Cowboy fans want to hear. Yeah, I

1137
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: thought he was a little disappointing this season. Uh. I

1138
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: mean the way he played his first two years and

1139
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: how lockdown he was. He didn't seem to be that

1140
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: automatic guy. I haven't gone back and watching the tape.

1141
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 1: This is just me sure, semi drunkenly watching LSU football.

1142
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: We know that happens quite a bit. Um, But I

1143
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 1: mean he's a he's a freak athlete for sure, and

1144
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: he doubles us. He's a return man too. Yeah. Dane

1145
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: talks about his size five to eleven one, you know,

1146
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 1: almost sixte ninety one in the street. Good length, yeah,

1147
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: good length, four four eight on your speed. I think

1148
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: to me, you know, going back and watched him play

1149
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: I thought he was a quick footed guy for somebody

1150
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: that that that range, and I thought he was able

1151
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: to spin and help and coverage, maintain position. Uh you know,

1152
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: zone can play off to and cover, turn and run.

1153
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 1: I mean these are all things played some of the

1154
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: slot too loose looking at my notes. So yeah, I'd

1155
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 1: like to see him go back. I think he could

1156
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: really benefit from another player do it. Um, they just

1157
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: get more technically sound with his feet, with the way

1158
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 1: he plays the ball. Um. And then you know the

1159
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: other question he asked about the Junior Bowl. Yeah, really,

1160
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 1: the NFL doesn't want to promote juniors coming out. They

1161
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: don't want to give us through some juniors that are

1162
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 1: playing and explain how they're playing. Right there, we will

1163
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 1: have a few red shirt juniors. If you are a

1164
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: red shirt junior and you have graduated before January this month,

1165
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: then you are eligible for the Senior Bowl, and we

1166
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: will see a few down there. Tavis Paliohu States safety

1167
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 1: Glenn Gronkowski, the full back from Kandas State, Rob's little brother.

1168
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 1: And then Noah Spence I mentioned earlier he from Eastern

1169
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: Kentuck at Church Junior. But for the most part, you

1170
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: know this number for the underclassmen coming out is almost

1171
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 1: triple digits. Yeah, NFL wants to get that number down,

1172
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: and they're doing and they're doing everything they can to

1173
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 1: try to get that number down. With the grades they

1174
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: give back to these guys to see their first round,

1175
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: second round, or go back to school. Each school can

1176
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: only have five submit their grades. So what Ohio State

1177
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,240
Speaker 1: had nine commit or nine come out, nine come out exactly,

1178
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 1: They're gonna have probably fourteen kids drafted, which will show

1179
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: record at one and that kind of Obviously the NFL

1180
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: is not trying to promote that. But the other thing,

1181
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 1: if you're going pro as a junior, most of these

1182
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl guys have something to prove, not all of them,

1183
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 1: but I mean, like Carson Wentz, I mean he's an

1184
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 1: FCS guy. He wants to prove that he can play

1185
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 1: against the best guys who have something to gain by

1186
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,959
Speaker 1: doing this. I mean even I mean people like Dane

1187
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 1: and you knew who he was, but Zack Martin was

1188
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 1: not a household name. He went to the Senior Bowl,

1189
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 1: so you have that to gain. A junior who knows

1190
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: he's good enough to go pro has nothing to gain

1191
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: from doing that. Really, only stuff to lose by getting hurt. Yeah,

1192
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 1: that would be my guest. And the red shirt thing,

1193
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: it makes a lot of sense because it's not their

1194
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,280
Speaker 1: fault they were red shirted. You know, if they're already

1195
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: graduated in three and a half years and you know,

1196
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 1: ready to move on, then they shouldn't be penalized for that.

1197
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: So I'm glad that Phil Savage and you know, his

1198
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: staff were able to do that and they keep an

1199
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 1: eye off for these red shirt juniors. It's ironic to

1200
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: me though that I think maybe the NFL wants to

1201
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: keep the number of juniors down. But with the way

1202
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 1: the CBA is right now, that's it exactly. I mean,

1203
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 1: it's all about that second contract us. I remember, even

1204
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 1: as recently as like eight years ago, it was like,

1205
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,320
Speaker 1: if you're not a first or second round pick, you

1206
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 1: really probably should stay. But now it's like, screw it,

1207
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 1: get me my fourth round pick. I'll take my one

1208
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,280
Speaker 1: point five million signing bonus and my seven hundred thousand

1209
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,839
Speaker 1: dollars salary. I'll start playing earlier, and I'll be ready

1210
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: for my second contract earlier. There's there's no reason to stay,

1211
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: all right, can't We got one more call? We got

1212
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: one more Sam and san Antonio. Sam, you're on the

1213
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: draft show. I really wanted to ask. I mean, I

1214
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 1: want to first preface my comment by saying that I

1215
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 1: really do like Cowboys need to go ahead and take

1216
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: advantage of this opportunity and draft a quarterback with the

1217
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: first pick. Now, I understand, you know, based on your

1218
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: on the way things though, who knows what they what

1219
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: they're feeling is on that. But um, if they decided

1220
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: to go in a different direction, uh, and they weren't

1221
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: too enamored with the quarterbacks at that position, what do

1222
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: you guys think about how far back if they were

1223
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 1: in the trade back scenario, how what's the furthest back

1224
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: you think they should go in and h and do

1225
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: you think that would be a worthwhile endeavor? Okay, thank

1226
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: you very much for the call. Sam. I like and

1227
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna get into this for another day. I like

1228
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: I like Lynch. I like Lynch the quarterback from Memphis,

1229
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: And I know you like golf and I David has

1230
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: got to see both of them playing. We'll get that

1231
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: squared up for him. But it depends on you know.

1232
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: I have a feeling and just for the Cowboys, I

1233
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: have a feeling that they'll probably like Golf better than Lynch.

1234
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: If I had to guess, yeah, if I just had

1235
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: the guests, i'd agree, and you know it's better well

1236
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, people have their opinions on guys.

1237
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that, and I don't have a problem.

1238
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think I think you know, I

1239
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: worked with with Jeff Kavanaugh and those guys he's got.

1240
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: It is a huge gap. I don't think it's a

1241
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: huge gap between these two guys. Let me ask you us,

1242
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: how many quarterbacks in this draft do you see as

1243
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: future NFL starters? I mean we, okay, we you think

1244
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: Golf and Lynch, you think Wentz, which but Cook you

1245
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: think he's a future NFL starter? See, I think he is.

1246
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 1: I think he is too. I think he's a low ceiling. Yeah,

1247
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: but I think the Penn State guy has got a

1248
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 1: shot that he's the wild card. I think Hackenburg is

1249
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: the wild card in this Uh. You see the talent,

1250
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: but he's just such a mess. He needs so much work. Um.

1251
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: I think it's more of a question is you know,

1252
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: when will he be able to start? When can he

1253
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: see starting reps? But you know, if you're not gonna

1254
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: draft a quarterback at four? Can you? Can you wait?

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Speaker 1: Or where? If these quarterbacks are wild cards this year?

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Speaker 1: I think he felt really good about Winston Mariota one

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Speaker 1: one and two last year. This year with these quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: I don't know who just made my argument for me? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: why are you taking a risk on a guy like that?

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Speaker 1: I will say to the To the caller's point, though,

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Speaker 1: Sam's Sam is he's very very intriguing. Though, when you

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Speaker 1: get into the top five like this, I mean you

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Speaker 1: remember the RG three trade. Some crazy stuff could happen

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Speaker 1: if somebody decides they need to get absolutely and and

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Speaker 1: so and Another thing though, is, but let's not window

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Speaker 1: dress our board here. If golf is golf, why don't

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Speaker 1: we say say golf, it's golf, golf golf. If you

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Speaker 1: if he's well done, if he's the if he's your

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Speaker 1: highest rated guy on your board at four, and he's

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Speaker 1: still there taking we need to do like five shows

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Speaker 1: just on quarterbacks. We did probably, so we'll put this

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Speaker 1: one in the can. How about the half for sure? Hey,

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Speaker 1: thanks everybody out there for joining us, and thank you

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Speaker 1: for helping us to get through the show with your

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Speaker 1: calls and your tweets. We appreciate everybody out there. Next

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Speaker 1: week we'll be back at eleven am UH Central time.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into the Senior Bowl. We're all heading to Mobile.

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Speaker 1: We'll have shows from Mobile every day U talking about

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Speaker 1: the players down there and what's going on there. So

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Speaker 1: for my scouts, Dane Burglar, David Hellman, our executive producer

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