1 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Welcome bird Gang. On today's show, Darren Urban joins me 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: we talk retirement. No, not his, but how close Rodney 3 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: Hudson came to not playing this season. Also Friday, we 4 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: heard from Marcus Golden his thoughts on a pass rush 5 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: that may lean on youth this season. It's Cardinals Cover two, 6 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: episode five seventy three, and it starts now. Welcome to 7 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two. Hit in the backfield and Downey goes 8 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: for a loss. J. J. Watt nailed it. Cardinals Cover 9 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: two is presented by Hun Day, proud partner of the 10 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit acy Cardinals 11 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: dot com, Slash podcasts. He's at the ten half of 12 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: five peas in again, so for Harry Magic. WHOA. Here's 13 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: Craig Grielou third day of practice in what is your 14 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: what twenty third training camp? Darren? That is correct, Craig 15 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: twenty three years covering the Arizona Cardinals in some form 16 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: or fashion, and I'm guessing that this might have been 17 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: one of the more eventful starts to your training camp 18 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,839 Speaker 1: if we consider what happened all week long. I think 19 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: from a national standpoint, I don't think there's any question 20 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: that it's been more eventful because of the Kyler Murray 21 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: talking points. I don't know, We've had some pretty pretty 22 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,279 Speaker 1: interesting in my twenty three years. I've said some pretty 23 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: interesting times. I mean, uh, in two thousand and four 24 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: Denny Green's first year, we got up to camp and 25 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: found out that he had cut the starting center before 26 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: camp even started. That day, a guy who was Pete Kendall, 27 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: who was about to drive up to drive up the flagstaff, 28 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: and then was told that you don't you don't need 29 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: to bother, you're being cut, which you know, everybody was like, what. 30 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: So there's there's definitely been some other times, you know, 31 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: guys aren't signed necessarily back in the in the good 32 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: old days. But clearly, I think nationally, because of everything 33 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: that's happened with Kyler, it's hard to get away with, 34 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: get away from how eventful it's been here and the 35 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: latest not to kind of put a bow on this 36 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: because I don't think it's going anywhere, but at least 37 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 1: for this week, the independent study clause has been removed 38 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: from the contract. So there is that last bit of news, 39 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: at least with respects to this conversation. Well, you're not 40 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: saying this week it was removed and it's going back 41 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: in next week, this permanently. This week it was announced. 42 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 1: Hopefully there's no much stuff because it was a really yes, 43 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: all that's true. I mean, look, once it's out there 44 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: in the ether, people are going to talk about it, 45 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: and it'll eventually die down at some point, but it's 46 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: going to be a top of conversation. I think we 47 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 1: all know it's going to be a topic of conversation. 48 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: And you know I made this point in some other 49 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: places too. It's I mean, he's a quarterback. I understand 50 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: that why this is God headlines, and I understand everything 51 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: that's been going on. But at the same time, you know, 52 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 1: we're not getting away from this stuff. We're not getting 53 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 1: away from an honest, anonymous person talking about how Patrick 54 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: Mahomes is overrated. We're not going to get away from 55 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: last offseason where everybody's wondering where Aaron Rodgers head is, 56 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: even though he's coming off an mp MVP season kind 57 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: of comes with a territory with a high level quarterback. 58 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: And fortunately the Cardinals have what they believe is a 59 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: high level quarterback and we're going to see how this 60 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: plays out, Hey, as long as this team is winning 61 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: on Sundays, a lot of that noise will go. Of course. 62 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: I mean, let's let's look at this realistically, Craig, name 63 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: me a quarterback that isn't embroiled in some kind of 64 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: controversy at some point every season, and that includes Tom Brady. 65 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: I mean, for Peyton Manning won a Super Bowl, he 66 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: would get crushed that he was not winning Super Bowls. 67 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: And that's the dude who studied oodles of film and 68 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: won tons of games. So I just I think it 69 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: kind of comes with the territory. It feels a little 70 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: differently for those of us who cover this team and 71 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: are around this team because it hasn't been this team's quarterback, 72 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: you know. You know Kurt Warner, by the time he 73 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: got good again with the Cardinals after he had that 74 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: little dip in his career, nothing was expected of him 75 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: when he came to Arizona. Carson Palmer saw some of 76 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: that stuff. I mean the playoffs in twenty fifteen, you know, 77 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: especially after the way the Panthers NFC championship and did. 78 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: Everybody was like, see, Carson Palmer, can't do it, can't 79 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: win the big one. Nope, so I mean those are 80 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: it just again comes with the territory of being a quarterback. 81 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: Bottom line is the good news and all of this 82 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: is that we are talking about a contract extension. Kyle 83 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: Murray is locked up through twenty twenty eight. It was 84 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: the topic of the offseason, the secondary topic of the 85 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 1: offseason that we did get clarity before training camp and 86 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: a little bit more here on Friday, and that as 87 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 1: Rodney Hudson is with the team, contemplated retirements, wanted to 88 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: spend time with his family. More important, I think Darren 89 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: just wanted to heal up. Yeah, he missed three games 90 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: with a rib injury, but you're snapping that football, you're 91 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: in the middle of that offensive line. It's more than 92 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: just ribs that I'm sure we're bothering him once that 93 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: season concluded. I think the Rodney Hudson, the Rodney Hudson 94 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: story has always been very intriguing to me because of 95 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 1: the uncertainty as deep into the offseason as it went. Apparently, 96 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: I mean even Cliff Kingsbury said that while Rodney told 97 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 1: them he was going to be showing up, it wasn't 98 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: until Rodney actually physically was in front of Cliff that 99 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: he felt comfortable saying Rodney was going to be there. 100 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 1: So I think that says a lot about where the 101 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: mindset was of this team over what they might be faced. 102 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: And um, I did like hearing from Rodney when he said, essentially, 103 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: you know football, when you're around it, it's all this 104 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: all the time, and that's how it should be. And 105 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: if you're if it's if you're here, you're all in. 106 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: I do think he's all in. I know there's been 107 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: some people wondering if that would be the case, but 108 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: I think I think he is going to be all 109 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: in now. Hopefully his body can hold up. Because you 110 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: mentioned the rib injury and you know whether that uh 111 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: not that it's lingering, but I mean when you get 112 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: older and you just turned thirty three, you know that's 113 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: always something to be concerned about. It was funny you 114 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: mentioned the age and his quote, at my age, you 115 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: start thinking about it, meaning retirement. Thirty three is not old. 116 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: It is old when you're playing NFL. I don't even 117 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: you are playing thirty three credit. I don't want to 118 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: date you here, but I actually I can't even say 119 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 1: that because you and I are basically the same ageas 120 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: you are. I can always have that, But thirty three, 121 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: that's not old yet. This is his twelfth season. Yeah, 122 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: I mean that's that is an older offense. And when 123 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:12,239 Speaker 1: you talk about playing football, I mean, when you're thirty three, 124 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: that's uh, what is that like? Probably like seventy two 125 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: in NFL years. Like again, you're you're putting yourself through 126 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: something that you know, you're putting yourself through something that 127 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: most people don't go through. Look, I get it. And 128 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: again the other difference is, well, there's two there's two 129 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: sides of this. I'm sure he's got a lot of 130 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: money in the bank, so he doesn't necessarily have to 131 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: have it. That said, if he retires, he walks away 132 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: from almost eleven million dollars this year. As Larry Fitzgerald 133 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: always used to tell us, and he told me a 134 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: lot of times, one of the reasons you want to 135 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: keep playing, no one else is paying you eleven million 136 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: dollars a year, you know, to do anything pretty much 137 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: unless you're you know, Tony Romo or something Troy Aikman. 138 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: But I think that, um, that's something you have to 139 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: consider very carefully because once you walk away, that paycheck 140 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: is no longer coming. So we didn't ask him about 141 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: whether the paycheck was a factor, but I don't see 142 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: how it couldn't have been curious as to who might 143 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: be the most happy that Rodney Hudson is back. We 144 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 1: heard earlier in the week James Connor gave him a 145 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: big hug. Justin Pugh admitted that snapping the football is 146 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: not the easiest thing. Head coach Cliff Kingsbury joked when 147 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:29,239 Speaker 1: you asked, Yeah, we had group prayers in the office 148 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: needing him because they understand what his value was to 149 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: this offense and specifically to still a young quarterback in 150 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. I mean, I think a lot of people 151 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: are very happy, but if you're Cliff Kingsbury, you had 152 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: to have him back. And it feels like in hindsight, 153 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: and I know they talked to Billy Price, the free 154 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: agent center from the Giants in the offseason, and I 155 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: know there was a lot of consideration about potentially taking 156 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 1: a center in the draft. All that said, it felt 157 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: very much like they rolled the dice that they were 158 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: expecting Rodney to come back, even though they weren't one 159 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: hundred percent sure, because they didn't make a whole lot 160 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: of moves otherwise, you know, your backup center is still 161 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: Sean Harlowe, who, if I recall correctly, last year, said 162 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: he hadn't really played much center in his life, and 163 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: now he's the backup center. And you got Justin Pugh, 164 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: who's been a guard his whole life trying to play center. 165 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 1: And you got a rookie Lasida Smith who has never 166 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: never snapped a ball until he started working on it 167 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: a little bit before the combine. So I think Cliff 168 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: Kingsbury's got to be signed, maybe making a sigh relief 169 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: or even GM Steve Kim because if Rodney Hudson had 170 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: told them three weeks ago that you know what, I'm 171 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: just not going to do this, then there's a little 172 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: bit of scramble mode going. I'm thinking quoting Kingsbury on 173 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: Friday talking about Hudson, he was just able to calm 174 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: the entire unit, get us into the right looks all 175 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: the time. Then he added, he's a big time player 176 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: for us. Hudson deflects all of this, as any offensive 177 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 1: lineman typically does and a team player does. Yet, what's 178 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: that one antidote that we all go back to last season, 179 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: and that is Week one Tennessee on the road, and 180 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: everyone credits Hudson for checking out of a play based 181 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: off what he had seen studying film. I believe it 182 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 1: was preseason film. And then Kyler Murray finds Christian Kirk 183 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: for a deep ball and a touchdown. So it's not 184 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: just snapping the football, it's looking at the defense, getting 185 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 1: your four other offensive lineman where they're supposed to go, 186 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: and then be that extra layer of protection not just physically, 187 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 1: but also maybe a little bit mentally as well. For Kyler. 188 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: This is a very awkward conversation given the recent events 189 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: in the past few days when we're talking about the 190 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: center seeing something on film and then telling the quarterback. 191 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: But I will say that again, it's funny you bring 192 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: up Kyler because I do think that's a really important factor, 193 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: is helping the young quarterback. I keep going back to 194 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: DJ Humphreys, who's more experienced than Kyler Murray obviously, and 195 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: how many times has he said over the last year, 196 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:09,599 Speaker 1: I just go stand out there on block and I 197 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: do whatever Rodney tells me to do, and I've blocked 198 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: the edge. He jokes, he jokes about it, but I 199 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: think there's something to that. I think there's a ton 200 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: of respect that everybody on that offense has for Rodney Hudson, 201 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: and you know, I don't think we're ever going to 202 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: really get a good sense of it, because that's not 203 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: who Rodney is in the public eye. But all those 204 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: guys believe in him a lot and believe in what 205 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: he's doing. And you know, Cliff Kingsbury said, He's like, 206 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever been around somebody who watches 207 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: a more video than Rodney Hudson, and that you know that. 208 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: You know, Cliff Kingsbury played with Tom Brady. So that's 209 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: a pretty impressive statement we've heard. Because of what this 210 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: team has and realizes what it has with Hudson, that 211 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: not only the head coach but general menders Steve come 212 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: looking at that position a little bit differently. Before it 213 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 1: was all right, you need a good left tackle. Now 214 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: left tackle and right tackle because the addressers are moving 215 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: on either side, but that middle point of the offense 216 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: and then maybe just up the middle. You always hear 217 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: in baseball. We got a producer, Jim A Mindro here, 218 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: it's always catch your pitcher, shortstop, center fielder. It might 219 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: now it's quarterback, center, defensive tackle. You need that up 220 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,719 Speaker 1: the middle on offense and defense, and general managers are 221 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: looking more at the center position than maybe they are 222 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: or used to be looking at that position. It feels 223 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,839 Speaker 1: like the evolution of the game has been this. There 224 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: was the running game, and you had to have run 225 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:42,599 Speaker 1: stuffers because the NFL in the sixties and late seventies 226 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: and very early eighties was about I mean, if you 227 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: go back and I was a big growing up because 228 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: there was no team in Arizona. I was a Steelers 229 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 1: fan because they were good when I was young. And 230 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 1: it's funny I go back and watch some of like 231 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy eight, nineteen seventy nine Steelers stuff those great teams. 232 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: I'm old, and uh, it's it's the offenses is like 233 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: first down running in the middle of the line, second out, 234 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 1: running the middle of the line. Everybody's tight formation. You 235 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: might have two receivers out wide, but that's it. There's 236 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: always a fullback. Then third down you might chuck it 237 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 1: down the field and see what happens. Um, it was 238 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 1: all running. And then as the passing game grew, um 239 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: you started needing more edge rushers. You wanted to bring 240 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 1: these these guys. Lawrence Taylor was obviously great at it, 241 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: but you wanted to bring more guys off the edge, 242 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: and the middle became less of a thing because with 243 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: the West Coast offense and passing on the on the edges, 244 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 1: you could throw the ball out there and now became okay, 245 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: we want to disrupt those passing lanes. We well, I 246 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: feel like we've kind of moved back the other way. 247 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: The running game isn't quite like it was, but now 248 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 1: because everybody is strengthening themselves on the edges, um defenses 249 00:13:57,960 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: then wanted to start attacking now. It doesn't hurt if 250 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: you drafted Aaron Donald or or a defensive tackle like that, 251 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: but figuring out that these quarterbacks are so good now 252 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: that we can figure out ways to defend off the edge, 253 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: but if you can pressure him up the middle. And 254 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: how did the Giants beat this undefeated Patriots in the 255 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. It was pressuring up the middle and that's 256 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: with four guys, and that's that's what got Tom Brady 257 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: kind of messed up. And I think that's kind of 258 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: where the game is gone. So all that being said, 259 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: having a quality center to be able to hold up 260 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: in there and make sure the pocket isn't pushed becomes 261 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: more important and then you add in the fact that 262 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: the Cardinals have a quarterback who's not real tall, it 263 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: becomes even more crucial that you're not getting collapsed right 264 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: in the middle. Hudson is under contract for next season. 265 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: He's the only offensive lineman, starting offensive lineman that is 266 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: under contract for next season. So although he did say 267 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: it was way too early to be talkingsed on not 268 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: even this season. He's just focused on the day and 269 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: then getting to the next day. So it's the right 270 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: attitude to have. But because it was brought up once, 271 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, it's going to get asked 272 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: or revisited towards the end of the season. If he 273 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: if he spent all that time figuring out this season, 274 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: you gotta think that next season is big time jeopardy. 275 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: And if whether he says that or not, the realistic 276 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: look is, all of a sudden, you've got okay, if 277 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: he's if he's leaning towards that, you could literally could 278 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: be having to replace your entire offensive line, which is 279 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: a very scary proposition. And I don't want to talk 280 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: about that or think about that right here, because we're 281 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: just we're about the now. And now is the fact 282 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: that we heard from Rodney Hudson for the first time 283 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: in a long time, also on Friday, where he heard 284 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: for the first time from Marcus Golden. Unless you, yes, 285 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: if you're Darren Urban, you heard from Marcus Golden during 286 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: mini camp and shared those thoughts with all of us 287 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: on asy cardinals dot com. Golden, like Hudson, absent for 288 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: much of the offseason, but did attend man Tory Mini camp, 289 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: and I actually I invite everyone to go to asy 290 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: cardinals dot com search that story because I thought you 291 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: had great quotes. In fact, I wrote a lot of 292 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: them down. But hearing from Marcus Golden earlier on Friday. 293 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: He also is in a contract. Yes, yes, I believe 294 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: I looked it up. I think there's over thirty or 295 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: whatever if the key players. So it's gonna be a 296 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: busy offseason. N thoss, something gets done between now and 297 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: the regular season. It was not brought up earlier on Friday, 298 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: but it is something that you brought up, and I 299 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: think it's worth talking about because Golden understands where he's at. 300 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: Little nugget from Darren Urban as well in the story 301 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: fourth time he'll have played out his deal in his 302 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 1: nine year career. Yeah, that's not I mean, that's that's 303 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: that's playing with some pressure on your shoulders because there's 304 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: no real security there. Well, it's funny because a guy 305 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: like Marcus Golden, the second round pick, who's had three 306 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: double digit sack years, you would think wouldn't quite be 307 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: in that situation. I mean, there are guys that have 308 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: played out, had multiple played out their contracts. I mean, 309 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: I mean, if we're talking about four times or whatever, 310 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: I mean, even Larry Fitzgerald, I think, well still counts, yes, 311 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean, and for him to be in 312 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: this situation, he knows, he knows what it's about, and 313 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 1: he knows probably why it's about, and you just kind 314 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,880 Speaker 1: of gotta go about your business. He also brought up 315 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: and it was brought up to him because all eyes 316 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: are going to be on Marcus Golden as far as 317 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 1: the edge rusher without Chandler Jones, who's your number one 318 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: pass rusher, It's Marcus. And there's a bunch of question 319 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: marks this team to me right now, And Kingsbury said 320 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 1: he's good with it. That's what he said publicly, as 321 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 1: far as we're relying on the youth at that position. 322 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 1: Talking about your third round picks and Cameron Thomas and 323 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: my j Sanders. It's a lot to ask of a rookie. 324 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: Yet at the same time, is it very easy to say, 325 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: all right, if you're Charlie bull In advanced Joseph, all right, Cameron, 326 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 1: just go after that guy, get through your guy when 327 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 1: you're one on one, and try to get into the backfield. 328 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: It's not that simple. I get it. But as far 329 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 1: as trying to get as much pressure into the backfield 330 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 1: as possible winning one on one, you can only scheme 331 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: so much. And everyone Darren goes back to twenty twenty. 332 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: But that's I just don't like that example, because one 333 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: you had Hassan Reddick who's not on the team, and 334 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: Dennis Gardeck who caught lightning into the bottle. Can't he 335 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 1: do it again? You're asking a lot of these players 336 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,439 Speaker 1: to do repeat something they did two years ago and 337 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: putting that on the shoulders of the coaches to get 338 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: them in the position. That's that's all true, although you 339 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: didn't know Hassan Reddick was going to do that when 340 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 1: he did it, correct, So maybe that's Devon Knard or 341 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: maybe that's Cameron Thomas. Yeah, I don't know, I think, Um, 342 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: I think this, Craig, I think ultimately, I think this 343 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: is the group you're going with. If they add veterans, Uh, 344 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: it's not going to be a pass rusher. They're gonna 345 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 1: see what these guys have. There's a there's a real 346 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: belief that by J Sanders and Cameron Thomas can give 347 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: them some help this year. We'll see what that means. 348 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: I mean, if they can get pressures. If you don't 349 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: have a guy with seventeen sacks, you can make it work. 350 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: It's just the question of, like how often you can 351 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: make it work. Um. The Steelers usually have a really 352 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: solid defense and most of the time t J. Watts 353 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: a different deal now, But before TJ. Watty, they didn't 354 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: often have guys that are necessarily getting more than ten 355 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: or eleven sacks to lead the team. Um and and 356 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: and we'll kind of see how it happens. But they 357 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: believe that Sanders can do some damage, and maybe Dennis 358 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: Gardick can do some damage. And and you know, you're 359 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: hoping JJ Watt's going to be healthy to as we 360 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 1: talked about earlier, that push in the middle a little 361 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: bit more in the middle. I know JJ probably sees 362 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: himself as an end. But um, I'm willing to give 363 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: them the benefit of the doubt. I don't know how 364 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 1: it's going to play out, but I also know that, Okay, 365 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: what were we talking about last year? Like everybody's talking 366 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: about Chandler Jones not being here, but we all know, 367 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: Like what happened with Chandler sack total after the first game. 368 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 1: It was in the sixteen games after that first game, 369 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: he had five and a half sacks. And if you 370 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 1: would have said in a sixteen game season, Chandler Jones 371 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: got five and a half sacks, he would have said, 372 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: oh oh, but I think they held up pretty good. 373 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: It's not just the sack total because that's what everyone 374 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: looks at postgame stat sheet. Are you affecting the quarterback 375 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: to where your secondary can cover, because if they're not 376 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: getting pressure on the quarterback, now you're asking a secondary 377 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: that right now is not very deep. Although Josh Jackson 378 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: has flashed, there's still a lot of room. And I 379 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: agree with you if you're looking to add at this 380 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: point here late July, it's not at the edge rusher. 381 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: It's going to be in that cornerback room or like 382 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: we saw earlier on Friday defensive line, bringing in some 383 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,719 Speaker 1: veterans inside that are three hundred plus pounds that can 384 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: help stop the run. Yeah, I mean, I agree with you. 385 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: It starts, it's going to start with a pass rush. 386 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: This defense is going to start with a pass rush. 387 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: It generally does. But at some point this team was 388 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 1: going to have to turn the page on Chandler Jones. 389 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: I just wanted one more year, Darren Well, and maybe 390 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 1: it's my Syracuse bias. I just wanted one more year. 391 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: I think Chandler wanted a lot more years, and you 392 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: know that's what happened there. I mean, obviously I wish 393 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: you would have stuck around. And we know what happened 394 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: with Klaiss Campbell was they tried to move on maybe 395 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 1: a little early instead of waiting too long. And it's 396 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: turned out Clais Campbell is still motoring along and that's 397 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 1: kind of tough. And we'll see how this pays off. 398 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: But I do think they needed to get younger a 399 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: pass rusher, and I think it was good that they 400 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 1: invested a couple of draft picks in that area. And 401 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: we're going to see how that plays out. Obviously, they're 402 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 1: in deep trouble if it doesn't work, But at some 403 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: point you got it. You gotta see what's what. Thomas's 404 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 1: twenty two, Sanders is twenty four. And I've been paying 405 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: attention during the open portion during these three practices here 406 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,239 Speaker 1: at State Farms Stadium. No, you've been paying attention. That's 407 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: good to know. Yeah, it's part of my job description, 408 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 1: just because you know, sometimes you lapse in that area 409 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: and then I got to tell you what's going on 410 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 1: during the open portion of practice. Busy, busy man. Craig Thomas, 411 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: despite sometimes putting his hand in the dirt at San 412 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: Diego State, has not done that during the open portion. 413 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: He is working strictly with outside linebackers, and he's talked 414 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 1: about that is where he feels more comfortable and where 415 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: he can be he feels more effective. Now you brought 416 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: up J. J. Watt as far as rushing the quarterback, 417 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: how much of a factor is Zach Allen not standing 418 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: up but in that three technique? As far as getting 419 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: some help getting some pressure from the outside, Zach Allen 420 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: is that yet somebody else? He's also playing for a contract. 421 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: Believe there's an number of players. Um, yeah, I mean 422 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 1: I think Look, I think Zach Allen was another guy 423 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: who flashed last year. By the way, thirty five unrestricted 424 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 1: free agents on the roster currently as we speak now 425 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: that's based off the ninety one man roster too. That 426 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: seems like a lot, it does, and looking at that 427 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: upside down right now, that's a lot of names I recognize. 428 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: So although I pretty much recognize them all paid. You know, 429 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:32,719 Speaker 1: I think that Zack Allen, he I think he had 430 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: a solid season last year. I'd love for him to 431 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: get through a year where he hasn't doesn't have to 432 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 1: nurse an injury, which he was doing again last year. 433 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 1: You know, we're shot with Lawrence and the defensive lineman 434 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: who I think they feel I can be a solid player, 435 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: but he has to stay healthy. And again what Dave 436 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 1: McGinnis availability is his important, his ability, He said that 437 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: so many times, and uh, and that's true. And Zach 438 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 1: Allen was able last year. He just wasn't available at 439 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: one hundred percent. And I'm going back to Rodney Hudson 440 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 1: and asking about his injuries last year and he's like, yeah, 441 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: well injuries, that's just ball, and it is just ball. 442 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: And corey're reading the old sage veteran what's upon a time. 443 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: It's not a question of if you're going to get injured, 444 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: but when you're going to get injured, if you're a 445 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: football player. So I think Zach Allen is super critical. 446 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: I don't think he's any honestly, any less critical than 447 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: JJ Watt is too. In my head, because of who 448 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 1: you have in your numbers, I think you need Zach 449 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: Allen to be able to be out there. I think 450 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: he's a solid player, but you you need him to 451 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 1: play and if he can play like that put you 452 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: another awkward position. Okay, like, what are we going to 453 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 1: do contract wise? What's this guy going to be looking at? 454 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: But I'm sure Steve Kin would take that at this 455 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 1: point if every one of these guys in their contract 456 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: here had amazing seasons and figure it out after that, 457 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: you forget Alan Byron Murphy, Jalen Thompson, all part of 458 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: that twenty nineteen draft class, Kyler Murray got his. I 459 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 1: didn't forget anyway else going to get there's at some 460 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 1: point either now or later on all right, before we 461 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: cut Darren LuSE here and let him get dive back 462 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: to his real work. And that is basically running all 463 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 1: content on easy Cardinals dot com. How about some good news. 464 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: The first open practice is on Saturday. Back to Saturday 465 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,360 Speaker 1: is the back to Saturday, and they get the right back. 466 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 1: Help me out, Darren, Darren, you're the one pay attention Saturday. 467 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: Back together Saturday. That's right, That's what it was, first 468 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: open practice, and it's the first one of these days. 469 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: You're going to pay attention, Craig, and then we'll all 470 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: be happy. Email if my email working there, please read. 471 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 1: But the first of ten open practices we are not 472 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 1: going to see though Hollywood Brown practice. Not expecting it. 473 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: In fact, Kingsbury with the update that he's expected to 474 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 1: return sometime next week from that hamstring entry, and that's 475 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: a little disappointing from a fan perspective because we're excited 476 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: to see him. Yet of this same time, I'm not 477 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 1: worried because it's July and we don't need to worry 478 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 1: about that until September. See. I thought you're gonna say 479 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,439 Speaker 1: you're not a as a fan, you're not worried because 480 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: there's still nine open practices after Saturday, and there'll be 481 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: other chances to see him hopefully. Yeah, I mean, you'd 482 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 1: like to see Hollywood Brown back on the field. It's early, 483 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: you know. I get all this stuff and everything, but 484 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins barely practiced in his first training camp when 485 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: he was with the Cardinals, and he had a pretty 486 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: awesome twenty twenty. So J. J. Watt didn't practice at 487 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: all during training camp last season. I'm stunding and now 488 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: I'm starting to sound like mister cynic and I get 489 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: all that, but I also kind of see sometimes where 490 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 1: the players are like, they's all this stuff and I 491 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 1: don't know how important some of this is not. Some 492 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: of it is important, but maybe not all of it 493 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: all right, Day three on Friday, Yes, Calvin Beecham, Justin Pugh, 494 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins, AJ Green, zach ertz Arcus Golden, JJ Watt, 495 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: veteran days. Okay, most of those were watching practice, so 496 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 1: it wasn't like they were in the back, so they 497 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: were getting mental raps. Cliff Kingsbury was talking about he 498 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 1: didn't want them practicing four days in a row, and 499 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: I quite frankly, I'm thinking the team, the organization. I 500 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: think it's kind of important to have a lot of 501 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 1: those names out there tomorrow when we have the back 502 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 1: together Saturday and there are fans in the stands for 503 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: the first time, so I think every it's a win 504 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: win for everybody. Craig, No bet day for you though, Darren. No, 505 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: and I'm feeling it getting up there in age. Can't 506 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 1: work four straight days. You don't want to talk about 507 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: the nineteen seventy nine Super Bowl. No, I'm good. I'm good. Well, 508 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: let we'll let you go off that. No, I appreciate it. 509 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: Go take a nap, get ready for the back together Saturday. 510 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: No days off baby me and Bill Belichick. On that note, 511 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: we will put a lid on This edition of Cardinals 512 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: Cover two presented by Hounday, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinal. 513 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,360 Speaker 1: As always, special thanks to our executive producer Joe Momanro 514 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: for Darren Urban, I'm Craig Riel Lou. We'll talk to 515 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: you next time you're on Cardinals Cover two