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Speaker 2: This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowver

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Speaker 3: Here we go.

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Speaker 1: It is Friday.

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Speaker 3: There is a.

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Speaker 1: Lot to talk about, Jamack. I got eight and a

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Speaker 1: half hours of sleep. That happens once a month, so

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Speaker 1: I'm ready to go. I'm knocking down Red Bull might

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Speaker 1: as well be Raisinets. Baby, I'm ready to go. I'm

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Speaker 1: knocking them down. I am fired up for a Friday,

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Speaker 1: and Jamak, I'm you know. It's support systems are really

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Speaker 1: important for all of us. You had very strong parents,

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Speaker 1: which I think is a great advantage in life. Right.

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Speaker 1: You had good support and good guidance and siblings. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't always happen in life, and that's why it's very

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Speaker 1: important for little league coaches. And I had great high

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Speaker 1: school basketball. Football coaches were like surrogate parents for me.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about that because I'm seeing something

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Speaker 1: in sports today that it bums me out. So I

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Speaker 1: am a child of divorce. Without boring you, I had

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Speaker 1: a very strong mom. I had a great step dad

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Speaker 1: best friend's dad, Jack Jones. Dad was like a little

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Speaker 1: life could have gone sideways really fast. Mom and dad divorced.

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Speaker 1: Dad leaves very decent human being, but he was onto

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Speaker 1: another stuff, and I'm just kind of left, just left,

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Speaker 1: and so thank god I had these incredibly strong people

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Speaker 1: in our life, in my life, and I know it's

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Speaker 1: an uncomfortable talk. The media doesn't like this discussion. But

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Speaker 1: Dad's matter a lot on Father's Day. It matters most

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Speaker 1: of the great athletes I've covered in my life. Almost

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Speaker 1: every great quarterback, almost every great one, almost all strong

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Speaker 1: dad or if not super strong mom, strong guidance because

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Speaker 1: that brain's still developing. At seventeen and eighteen and nineteen

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Speaker 1: twenty years old, girls mature much faster than boys boys.

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Speaker 1: At seventeen eighteen nineteen, I said yesterday, maybe they're valedictorian.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you're getting them out of juvie like when you're seventeen,

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Speaker 1: eighteen nineteen. Guys change fast and we don't mature as quickly.

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Speaker 1: So I saw a story this morning. Ace Bailey is

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Speaker 1: this kind of kid that like his representative, his agent

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Speaker 1: the adults to help this kid? Where are he's getting

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Speaker 1: horrible advice? Reportedly he's a good kid, but when the

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Speaker 1: Cooper Flagg, second best prospect. So he's already cost himself

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Speaker 1: nine million dollars, dropping from third where he should have

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Speaker 1: Ron Harper always in his life is there? Unfortunately Ace,

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Speaker 1: dad was in and out of his life. Well, you

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Speaker 1: got mom, you got other people. This story though, where

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Speaker 1: are the adults to help this kid? Because he hired

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Speaker 1: an agent, Omar Cooper, And I know we don't like agents, right,

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Speaker 1: I don't see this happening, you know to a lot

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Speaker 1: of agents players. This is Omar Cooper legal issues in

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Speaker 1: the past, not certified agent by the NBA. One NBA client,

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Speaker 1: Ace Bailey. This is not the agent you pick. What's

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Speaker 1: the Lebron's agent? Rich Paul. Rich Paul. I've seen him

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Speaker 1: Rich Paul is a very very good agent, excellent agent.

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Speaker 1: This kid needed Rich Paul. He needed Rich Paul. He

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Speaker 1: agents matter. I've had four, trust me. There is a

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Speaker 1: big gap in competency in every industry. But this is

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Speaker 1: And all I see with this, all I see with

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Speaker 1: Saw this story this morning. Aaron Judge and Shohey O

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Speaker 1: for Major League Baseball's All Star Game. So they came

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Speaker 1: out today they list the All Star finalists, so they

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Speaker 1: break it into like two time periods. These are now

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Speaker 1: them complained about the NBA playoffs the finals, well parody,

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Speaker 1: no sizzle and no glamour, small markets. That's okay, but

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Speaker 1: Dodgers in the National League All Star finalists having a

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Speaker 1: that doesn't even count the pitchers. And Dave Roberts is managing. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you can't. You got to be consistent. I'm Cole Colin

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Speaker 1: is consistent. I like most dynasties, Alabama fotball dynasty a

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Speaker 1: little borings first, little boring. But today in baseball, the Dodgers,

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Speaker 1: the Cubs, the Yankees, and the metsro in first place.

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Speaker 1: They're all in first place, and I'm all in Colin.

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Speaker 1: What about Cincinnati? I was there once, I went to

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Speaker 1: New Yorkers are such phonies and hypocrites complaining about the Dodgers.

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Speaker 1: I used to work at another network on the East Coast,

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Speaker 1: and I remember listening to sports talk radio for a

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Speaker 1: decade out there. Oh they love the Hot Stove League.

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Speaker 1: Oh let's go buy this guy and this guy and

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Speaker 1: The Hot Stove League's now in air frar, and the

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Speaker 1: Dodgers have the best one. Get over it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Dodgers season tickets should come with the two free tickets

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Speaker 1: of the All Star Game. Apparently, but you know you

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Speaker 1: can't have both. You can't complain about the NBA All

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Speaker 1: Star Game and the Dodgers having all the players and

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Speaker 1: last year the National League Playoffs, the Phillies stack, Dodgers

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Speaker 1: remember rushing to watch the Oscars. It mostly bores me,

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Speaker 1: it's too pious and precious whatever, but I went and

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Speaker 1: rushed to watch it was Silence of the Lambs. It

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Speaker 1: I want to watch the Dodgers. I like dynasties. I

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Speaker 1: love the heatles. It gives you somebody to root for,

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Speaker 1: it was really interesting until Haliburton got hurt in Game

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Speaker 1: seven and it just felt like another game. But you

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Speaker 1: can't complain about that. And the Dodgers dominating baseball because

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Speaker 1: For ten years. I listened to that on sports talk

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Speaker 1: Let's get that All Star. Nobody in New York was

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Speaker 1: ever saying, you know what, we're taking too much of

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Speaker 1: Mett spend a lot of money. The Dodgers just spend

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Speaker 1: theirs more smartly. And nothing against Cincinnati, but spaghetti and

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Speaker 1: your chili does not make you Naples, Italy. Okay, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry a little smart Alec this morning. But it's

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Speaker 1: all the sleep I got in the Red Bull, all right,

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Speaker 1: j Mack, we got a lot of stuff today. We

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Speaker 1: talk about it. We got a lot of stuff here.

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Speaker 6: I thought you liked Joe Burrow just unloading on Cincinnati.

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Speaker 7: My goodness.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's just when I let's go back to the

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Speaker 1: Ace Bailey thing though. All these players mostly, I've never

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Speaker 1: seen an NBA draft with more guys crying, which I love.

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Speaker 1: it's a life changing moment. They're happy, it's wonderful. But

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Speaker 1: we have this one kid, and you're like, man, he's

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Speaker 1: getting really bad advice. And I don't expect eighteen and

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Speaker 1: And so it's hard for me. The more I thought

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Speaker 1: a gold star, five star agent because he's getting bad advice.

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Speaker 1: And Aaron Judge again, wonderful family, wonderful kid. Incredibly humble

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Speaker 1: and gracious, but you just do not see it in

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Speaker 1: sports very often. Where what are the two biggest NFL

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Speaker 1: franchise Kay Dallas Cowboys? Packers is Packers arguably too. Was

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Speaker 1: there ever a time that the two biggest stars in

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Speaker 1: the NFL were Cowboys? Who was a Packer quarterback when

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Speaker 1: Aikman was there? And who is the quarterback when Farv

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Speaker 1: was there? It didn't happen very often. It was Tony Romo.

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Speaker 1: I think you know, it was a bunch of different guys,

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Speaker 1: but just it doesn't happen that the Packers and the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys would have the two biggest stars in the NFL. Now,

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Speaker 1: the NFL is like their best players are all in

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Speaker 1: small markets right now, which is extraordinary. But do we

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Speaker 1: find one Otanian Judge? It's Burden, Magic, Celtics, Lakers, and

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Speaker 1: off the top of my head, the NFL also doesn't

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Speaker 1: need that. It doesn't matter Baltimore and Green Bay and

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Speaker 1: Kansas City and Buffalo can be dominant in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Nobody cares. But there's a reason we talk more baseball

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Speaker 1: in the show, and it's Otani and Judge are a

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Speaker 1: big part of it. Jmack with the News. What is

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Speaker 1: the second big I mean, I don't think the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: are America's team. I think it's Kansas City has surpassed them,

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Speaker 1: although network network executives. But I'm saying so if it's

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Speaker 1: Dallas is still one network's executives, I think Kansas City

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Speaker 1: is number two, right, Kansas City is number two?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I guess for now.

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Speaker 6: You know Mahomes, Kelsey, Taylor, Swift Shore and they're winning.

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Speaker 6: But if they missed the playoffs, so they can't possibly

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Speaker 6: be America's team. Now, I Allas can miss the playoffs

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Speaker 6: and still be America.

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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, yeah, you know a team that's underrated.

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Speaker 1: I think the Buffalo Bills with Josh Allen like the Cubs.

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Speaker 1: They don't lose as much as a Cubs, but they

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Speaker 1: got that Cubs quality. We all really want to see

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Speaker 1: these legendary losers. Now, the losing for the Cubs was

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Speaker 1: just all the time. The losing for Buffalo has often

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Speaker 1: been in Super Bowls, in conference championship. I think if

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Speaker 1: Buffalo got to the Super Bowl, I think it would

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Speaker 1: smash if they played a you know, a decent brand.

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Speaker 1: I said this last year Buffalo and the Detroit Lions

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Speaker 1: and the Super Bowl obliterates because the storyline would be

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Speaker 1: you'd get so many casuals to watch the Bills in

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Speaker 1: the Lions super Bowl would smash every Super Bowl TV

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Speaker 1: record of all time.

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Speaker 6: What about Jets forty nine ers, that probably would do

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Speaker 6: even biggest, because the Jets are the biggest losers the

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Speaker 6: last fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're totally unlikable. They're losing his dysfunction. Nobody

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Speaker 1: likes the Jets. They've lost because of themselves.

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Speaker 7: That's not nice.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's do that.

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Speaker 7: That's really mean. All right.

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Speaker 6: Let's go to the headline news and start with Steph Curry,

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Speaker 6: my guy entering his seventeenth season. He just turned thirty

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Speaker 6: seven in March Colin. Interestingly, his dad, Del Curry, was

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Speaker 6: just on a podcast recently and said, I think Steph

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Speaker 6: could play well into his forties before hanging him up.

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Speaker 6: We're not talking six or eight years, but he has

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Speaker 6: many several years left now.

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Speaker 7: This is interesting.

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Speaker 6: Remember Isaiah Thomas like popped his achilles and was done

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Speaker 6: in the NBA.

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Speaker 7: Like thirty two years old.

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Speaker 6: Larry Bird's back broke down, he retired early, Magic Johnson HIV.

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Speaker 6: The biggest stars in the league historically have left early.

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Speaker 6: Now we're seeing Lebron into his forties and hearing Steph

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Speaker 6: Curry could play into his forties.

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Speaker 7: This is great for basketball.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, he's also a shooter, like hyper athletic guys

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Speaker 1: age fast, Cam Newton age really fast. You know who

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Speaker 1: didn't Tom Brady. So it depends on what your game is.

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Speaker 1: Number Jose Reys played for the Mets and he was

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Speaker 1: like a super fast based dealing guy. I always remember that.

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Speaker 1: It's like, oh, everybody was like he's amazing. Like three

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Speaker 1: years later you're like not the same player, because athleticism

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Speaker 1: was the key. And so I mean, look at Tiger

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Speaker 1: Woods power, torque, unbelievable really quickly. It felt like man,

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Speaker 1: three year period. He is aging now. So I think

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Speaker 1: the more power, the more torque, the more physicality to

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Speaker 1: any sport, you age faster. So I think Curry is

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Speaker 1: more of a finesse player and a shooter.

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Speaker 7: But then Lebron, like, what's the argument agains him.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's powerful, I mean he's lower the record.

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Speaker 1: Let me just say this about Lebron. About ten years ago,

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Speaker 1: he started spending a lot of his time on the perimeter.

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Speaker 1: The Lebron James has never been a great rebounder. He

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Speaker 1: doesn't want any part of that. That's not what the

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Speaker 1: Lebron gets out in transition. He doesn't. Lebron doesn't want

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Speaker 1: to defend the rim. Lebron doesn't want to get bullied inside.

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Speaker 1: Lebron has lived at the hash mark going forward. He

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Speaker 1: wants the ball he wants to get in transition. So

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Speaker 1: Lebron smartly moved to the perimeter and got out of

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Speaker 1: the redwood trees years ago.

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Speaker 7: Sounds like my game, Collen. Let's stick in the.

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Speaker 6: NBA big news out of Toronto where the Raptors have

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Speaker 6: parted ways with team president messaiu Jiri after thirteen seasons

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Speaker 6: with the team brought them their loan title.

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Speaker 7: This guy has beloved in media circles.

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Speaker 1: Colin.

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Speaker 7: You could read any article.

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Speaker 6: From NBA, people listen to a podcast.

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Speaker 7: Nobody says the negative word about this guy.

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Speaker 6: They all love him, which probably needs He's a source

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Speaker 6: to a lot of them. That being said, he did

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Speaker 6: make the gamble, bring on Kawhi Leonard and brought Toronto

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Speaker 6: a title.

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Speaker 7: But it is interesting that they fire him after the draft.

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Speaker 1: That's what you should do. Don't screw the draft up.

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Speaker 1: Remember the Raiders a couple of years ago, didn't they

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Speaker 1: fire somebody before a draft? Or somebody did that in

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Speaker 1: sports and we were all like, what was then? You're

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Speaker 1: bringing new people before the draft and you're not organiza.

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Speaker 6: Okay, so if you were drafted by the ractors, Wait

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Speaker 6: a minute, the guy that just drafted me got fired.

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Speaker 7: That ain't great.

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Speaker 1: No, you complete the scouting in the draft. He's obviously

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Speaker 1: a very competent human being. You may want to move

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Speaker 1: off somebody, but I want to do it at the

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Speaker 1: least disrupt a periods. What is the least disrupted period

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Speaker 1: in the NBA? The day after the draft?

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Speaker 6: Well, now you got you got two a week before

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Speaker 6: free agency starts. I have a conspiracy theory that they

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Speaker 6: were swinging for the fences here with KD with Giannis

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Speaker 6: struck out on both of them and said, you can't deliver.

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Speaker 7: Us at it for anymore. And I think they got

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Speaker 7: rid of him.

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Speaker 6: Now, Zach here, a producer, is a big Lakers guy,

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Speaker 6: and he's saying, why why wouldn't the Lakers go after

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Speaker 6: messia Zieri, who's done some really good things in Toronto?

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Speaker 6: By the while Lowry DeRozan, Alison.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to blame that GM for not landing

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Speaker 1: players in Toronto. How many NBA guys Steve Nash didn't

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Speaker 1: want to go play in Canada, like Canada is not

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Speaker 1: were NBA Vancouver had a team for an hour and

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Speaker 1: it disbanded. So I'm not blaming the GM because a

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Speaker 1: bunch of guys don't want to play. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you're Yannis, I'm already in cold weather. I want to

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Speaker 1: go colder. What's the point the taxes, the weather. It's

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Speaker 1: a winter league. So I'm not gonna blame a GM

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Speaker 1: because you can't land free agents in Toronto.

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Speaker 7: You think the Lakers should make a play for.

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Speaker 6: Him or I mean, Lucas Alika is a divisive figure

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Speaker 6: in the Laker kingdom out here, Okay, people love him

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Speaker 6: or hate him. He just delivered Lucas, So I don't

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Speaker 6: think you can fire him now, but could you maybe

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Speaker 6: give him a different title and bring in Messiah Zierie.

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Speaker 1: All I know is Mark Walters. The first big move

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Speaker 1: he made with the Dodgers was go getting Tampa's Friedman,

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Speaker 1: the GM of the Tampa Rays like considered like the

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Speaker 1: young Mark Shapiro, like the brilliant guy they went and

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Speaker 1: got him. You know, if you go look at owners

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Speaker 1: who are aggressive, the first thing they do is get

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Speaker 1: the GM, right, you get the GM eventually hires the coach.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Final story con is onto the NFL, where a

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Speaker 6: couple of head coaches are on the hot side heading

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Speaker 6: into Week one. According to CBS, these are the top

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Speaker 6: five coaches on the hottest seats at five Sean McDermott

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Speaker 6: of Buffalo, Maybe Shane Steikin's at four.

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Speaker 7: I don't know about that.

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Speaker 6: Zach Taylor three, he should be one, Mike McDaniel two,

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Speaker 6: Brian Dable number one.

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Speaker 7: The hottest seat kind.

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Speaker 1: Of means Stichen what I.

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Speaker 7: Mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I think a lot of people are tying him to

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Speaker 6: Anthony Richardson, but I don't think that Richardson keeps getting hurt.

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Speaker 7: Is that Psichen's fault?

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Speaker 1: Well, Dabel, McDaniel and Zach Taylor okay, fine. Sean McDermott

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Speaker 1: is probably say seen Steikin, well he'd be again.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I don't think McDermott, like, how would you

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Speaker 6: fire McDermott.

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Speaker 7: Is it super Bowl or bust?

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Speaker 6: I have them winning the super Bowl, but that doesn't

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Speaker 6: mean if they lose in the AFC Championship.

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Speaker 1: Well fire, it's the way they lost with those they

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Speaker 1: looked at disorganized on Josh Allen's quarterback sneaks and it

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Speaker 1: was like they don't look like they practiced it. It's

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Speaker 1: the way they're losing where they feel like they're getting

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Speaker 1: kind of out coached and out detailed. Offensive league decent point.

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Speaker 7: I think you got to have Zach Taylor one.

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Speaker 6: I mean, they with Burrow having a historic season, they

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Speaker 6: missed the playoffs. They've gone They've been backsliding since the

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Speaker 6: Super Bowl trip.

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Speaker 1: Some of that's ownership, though, Yeah, I would say the

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Speaker 1: Brown family ownership. I would defend Zach Taylor. I know

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Speaker 1: people don't like his clock management. Folks, you didn't like

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid's and then he got Mahomes and suddenly you

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Speaker 1: loved it. Like I'd slow down on the clock management.

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Speaker 1: I don't think many coaches in the league are great

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Speaker 1: with the clock. I'm honestly, I think it's a tiny number.

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Speaker 1: Jmack with the news, Well that's the news, and thanks

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Speaker 1: for stopping by the herd Line News. You know I've

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Speaker 1: said this about the NBA Draft. I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: have I'm not going to come in too hot, high

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Speaker 1: or low. It's very much outside of two or three players,

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Speaker 1: it's a projection draft. These are eighteen nineteen year old kids.

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Speaker 1: The story that really disappointed me and I led my

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Speaker 1: show with it to is the Ace Bailey situation where

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Speaker 1: it's like, where the adults like, he's got an agent

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Speaker 1: that's not certified. I mean, it was just I thought

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Speaker 1: he was a little tone deaf on his sort of

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Speaker 1: reaction during it. Now there's a story out today that

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Speaker 1: his agent or he told one of the top five teams,

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Speaker 1: I won't go there. Walter Clayton's already showed up in Utah.

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Speaker 1: He hasn't and reportedly he's a good kid. It's not him.

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Speaker 1: But I talked about this to start the show. There

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Speaker 1: are lots of people in America when you're girls mature

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Speaker 1: faster than boys. There's a lot of sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen,

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Speaker 1: twenty year old boys. They need guidance, dad, mom, surrogate, parent, whatever,

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Speaker 1: they need guidance. I feel like with Ace, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: where are the adults helping him? He's already got a

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Speaker 1: strike against him. Now, as Draymond Green talked about, where

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Speaker 1: are the adults helping this kid because he is talented.

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Speaker 1: Many people argue he's the second best player in the

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Speaker 1: draft and he fell to five. Jeff Goodman Basketball Insider

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Speaker 1: Stadium co founder field is sixty eight at Goodman Hoops. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I read three stories. Two are like, not a bad kid,

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Speaker 1: He's not about kid, he's getting bad advice. So, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I I've talked about this before. Is in my life.

644
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Speaker 1: I had a great step dad, I had strong people

645
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Speaker 1: around me. You know, the father son thing wasn't great,

646
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Speaker 1: and thank God for it. My take is, Jeff, is

647
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Speaker 1: it possible here the kids just getting really bad advice?

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Speaker 8: Not possible, probable, probable that he's getting bad advice. And again,

649
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Speaker 8: you know, you're seventeen years old and now you've got

650
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Speaker 8: this world of nil and a ton of money on

651
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Speaker 8: the table even before you get to the NBA Draft.

652
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Speaker 8: So you've got to pick an agent now. And a

653
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Speaker 8: lot of these are low level agents right now that

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Speaker 8: are in the mix. And I'm sure Ace Bailey wasn't

655
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Speaker 8: the one choosing his agent here. But you know it's

656
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Speaker 8: a guy named Omar Cooper. He's got no other NBA clients.

657
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 8: He's had a history of legal issues throughout his life.

658
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Speaker 8: Colin I caught Win before the season that they were

659
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Speaker 8: asking for money for interviews, which I've been doing this

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Speaker 8: twenty five years, right, twenty five years.

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Speaker 3: I've never had anybody ask me for money.

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Speaker 8: So I was kind of intrigued. I'm like, all right,

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Speaker 8: I'm not calling this dude on Mark Cooper. Let's find

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Speaker 8: out what's going on. So I called them and played dumb.

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Speaker 8: He I'd love to talk to Ace Bailey, you know,

666
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Speaker 8: get them on our network, make him look good, you know,

667
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Speaker 8: that's what I do, like, try to loosen these kids up,

668
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Speaker 8: show their personality. It's like, no, no, they're not doing

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Speaker 8: it unless you pay.

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, no, no, dude, I'm not paying. I'm

671
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Speaker 3: not paying to do an interview with a kid.

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Speaker 8: I'm going to help the kid, give them a platform,

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Speaker 8: make him look good.

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Speaker 3: He said, well, you're making money off these kids.

675
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Speaker 8: I said, trust me, you can have the eight dollars

676
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Speaker 8: that I'm going to make off this YouTube interview.

677
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Speaker 3: Okay, that's going to be on YouTube. Go get a big.

678
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Speaker 8: Mac with it, because I'm not making any money off

679
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Speaker 8: Ace Bailey in a fifteen minute interview. You So that

680
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Speaker 8: was the first red flag, and obviously we've seen him

681
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Speaker 8: since now. I will say this talking to a ton

682
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Speaker 8: of people around as Bailey, whether it's at Rutgers, whether

683
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Speaker 8: it was back in Georgia, he is a good kid

684
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Speaker 8: who works his butt off and loves basketball. Is he immature? Absolutely,

685
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Speaker 8: most of us were at that age. But again, the

686
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Speaker 8: biggest problem here is not Ace Bailey necessarily, it's his representation.

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Speaker 1: I'll give you a kid, I think and I and again,

688
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Speaker 1: I don't want to come in hot because in the

689
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Speaker 1: NFL Draft, I've seen these kids for four years. I

690
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Speaker 1: will put my stand on Jayden Daniels and go that's

691
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Speaker 1: good or Bo Nicks. I'm not going to pretend I

692
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Speaker 1: followed college basketball. At college football, I do think Carter

693
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Speaker 1: Bryant I watch I watch Arizona play. I thought, if

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Speaker 1: you told me there was a guy that went like

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Speaker 1: lower mid first that hit, I'm like, it's that kid. So,

696
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Speaker 1: by the way, you can rip me apart here. But

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Speaker 1: I watch Arizona probably six seven times a year. I

698
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Speaker 1: watched a tournament. I watched him and thought, I don't

699
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Speaker 1: know if he'll be a great NBA score. That dude

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Speaker 1: in San Antonio is going to be a baller. What

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Speaker 1: do you make of him?

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Speaker 8: It's what I love about you, first of all, and

703
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Speaker 8: I've always loved about you. You don't pretend to act

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Speaker 8: like you know everything about everything right, unlike some other

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Speaker 8: people at Networks.

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Speaker 3: We were apt before. But you're right about Carter Bryant.

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Speaker 8: He's a three inded dude who can shoot the ball

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Speaker 8: and defend at a high level.

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Speaker 3: And he's got length and size. Yeah, and he's just

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Speaker 3: scratching the surface of what he's going to be.

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Speaker 8: The big question I have Colin is in San Antonio,

712
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Speaker 8: not necessarily with Carter Bryant, but everything else. Is he

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Speaker 8: going to come out of the gates and be able

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Speaker 8: to make shots because they don't have great floor spacing

715
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Speaker 8: in San Antonio right now. Dylan Harper Ace Bailey's teammate

716
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Speaker 8: at Rutgers, by the way, both picked in the top

717
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Speaker 8: five they didn't make the NCAA tournament this past year.

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Speaker 8: Is not a great shooter. He's a poor man's case.

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Speaker 8: Cunningham is really what he is. Steph Castle, the rookie

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Speaker 8: of the year, not a great shooter. Big Tom Avalete,

721
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Speaker 8: big strong, Daron Fox, we know he's a blur.

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Speaker 3: Probably the fastest point guard in the NBA right now

723
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Speaker 3: other than is Smid, but again not a great shooter.

724
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Speaker 8: So I like the Carter Brian pick because of that,

725
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Speaker 8: because he is a guy that eventually will be able

726
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Speaker 8: to space the floor.

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Speaker 3: Will he be able to do it right away?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, So I'll be interested in your opinion

729
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Speaker 1: on this. So I've been on this now for about

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Speaker 1: six months. As I grew up loving college basketball, Jamck

731
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Speaker 1: and I talk about this. There was a time in

732
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Speaker 1: my life my favorite basketball was not the NBA. It

733
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Speaker 1: was the Big East. It was Patino Carlisimo, John Thompson.

734
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Speaker 1: I was a West Coast kid. I didn't watch back

735
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Speaker 1: twelve basketball. I love the Big East, Big East Monday,

736
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Speaker 1: and I love the NBA as well. But there and

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the G League is created. I

738
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Speaker 1: have never been a fan. I think the coaching is better.

739
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Speaker 1: I think the environments are better in college. I want

740
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Speaker 1: kids to I think one of the advantages the NFL

741
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Speaker 1: has you got to go to college for three years,

742
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Speaker 1: take classes, hang out with non athletes. The coaching is hard.

743
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Speaker 1: I don't like the G League. So when we got

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Speaker 1: to the finals this year, Jeff it was the Pacers

745
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Speaker 1: O case thunder is any G league guys. It was

746
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Speaker 1: a lot of guys who have been in college basketball

747
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Speaker 1: for two, three and four years. I loved it. So

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Speaker 1: I will tell you the NIL, in my opinion, is

749
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Speaker 1: really saving college basketball. When I watched the Yukon team

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Speaker 1: two years ago, I'm like, Okay, that team could compete

751
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Speaker 1: against UNLV and Larry Johnson. That is a real team.

752
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Speaker 1: So everybody complains about the NIL, I think the NIL

753
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Speaker 1: is saving college basketball. In my argument, this is a

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Speaker 1: long question. This is the first draft. This is the

755
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Speaker 1: first NIL draft where it's going to be heavy, domestic,

756
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Speaker 1: easier to follow, even the international guys playing the States.

757
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Speaker 1: This is the first for the next however, long like

758
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Speaker 1: the old drafts where I have seen the players play.

759
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Speaker 1: I know that's a long, long window, but your thought on.

760
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Speaker 3: That it's not. And you're right because in the old days,

761
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Speaker 3: what was it? When you and I were young, it

762
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Speaker 3: was like, unless you're a top five to ten pick,

763
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Speaker 3: you're going back to school.

764
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Speaker 8: Then it became unless you're a lottery pick, you're going

765
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Speaker 8: back to school.

766
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Speaker 3: Then it became first rounder.

767
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Speaker 8: Then it started to become you know what, even if

768
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Speaker 8: you can get a guaranteed deal in.

769
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Speaker 3: The second round. A lot of those guys were gone.

770
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Speaker 8: Now the biggest difference, Colling is these kids that are

771
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Speaker 8: that are twenty five to forty five or undrafted or

772
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Speaker 8: second rounders, they can make two, three million dollars, even

773
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Speaker 8: four million dollars right now.

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Speaker 3: Now, again, this might be a one off type year.

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Speaker 8: I think those numbers will dip a little bit, but

776
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Speaker 8: it was rare to have a kid like think about

777
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Speaker 8: yassel Land of Birds, a kid who transferred from UAB

778
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Speaker 8: he's going to Michigan next year, probably would have been

779
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Speaker 8: drafted in the twenty five to thirty five range, and

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Speaker 8: instead of rolling the dice whether he's going to get

781
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Speaker 8: a guaranteed first round draft pick, you.

782
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Speaker 3: Know he did. He went to Michigan and.

783
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Speaker 8: He's going to get a guaranteed three million plus at Michigan.

784
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Speaker 3: So you're right. It's changing the.

785
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Speaker 8: Game to whereas these guys that aren't guaranteed lottery picks,

786
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Speaker 8: they're saying to themselves, I can make more money going

787
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Speaker 8: back to college.

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Speaker 1: Cooper Flag, what's the hole in his game? Jeff Goodman,

789
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Speaker 1: I wish I had one.

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Speaker 8: I had one going into the year. In fact, I

791
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Speaker 8: was like, I don't think he's a guy you can

792
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Speaker 8: build your frances around.

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Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think he could be a number one.

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Speaker 8: And I've seen him fifty times AAU ball going into Duke,

795
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Speaker 8: and I.

796
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Speaker 3: Didn't think it was a great shooter. I thought his

797
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 3: handle was loose.

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Speaker 8: You know, he's an elite level defender, passer, all that.

799
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Speaker 3: But after watching him this past season.

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Speaker 8: At Duke do what he did, I'm convinced he will

801
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 8: be a top ten player in the NBA within five years,

802
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Speaker 8: be a.

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Speaker 3: Top five player. I would be shocked if he's not

804
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Speaker 3: a top ten player. Shot he's got. I've been doing

805
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Speaker 3: this twenty five years.

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Speaker 8: There's no player I have seen coming out of college

807
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 8: that has fewer holes in their game than Cooper Flag.

808
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 8: That doesn't mean he shoots it better than Kevin Durant,

809
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 8: that doesn't mean, you know, he remounds it better than Shock.

810
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Speaker 8: But overall, nobody has fewer holes in their game. Nobody's

811
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Speaker 8: more well rounded than Cooper Flag.

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Speaker 1: That's an awesome take. You know it's I said this

813
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Speaker 1: as a comp People think I don't like Jason Tatum.

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Speaker 7: I do.

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Speaker 1: I wish it was more aggressive, I say, Cooper flag

816
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: is a hyper aggressive Jason Tatum at Duke where it's like,

817
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 1: give me the ball, get out of here. I read

818
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: a story about Kaitlyn Clark. Christine Brennan has a book

819
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: on Kaitlyn Clark. Kitlyn Clark when she was like seventh grade,

820
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 1: trailed by eleven points with a minute seven seconds left,

821
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Speaker 1: she went in a thirteen to nothing run and didn't

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Speaker 1: pass the ball. It's like, I want Jason Tatum to

823
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Speaker 1: have just a little bit of that. But uh, Jeff Goodman,

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Speaker 1: his stuff is a field of sixty eight college basketball

825
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 1: network at Goodman Hoops knows his stuff. Loved your takes Man,

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Speaker 1: Great Senior.

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Speaker 3: Love you call him great senior too. Yep.

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Speaker 1: We called him late today and I always appreciate that

829
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Speaker 1: when we call somebody late and they have time for us.

830
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Speaker 1: But he thinks he can be and I love Jeff.

831
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Speaker 1: What he's saying is, I didn't think he was that

832
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,439
Speaker 1: good this year, and then he improved. Young people make

833
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: massive jumps, like like seventeen year old to nineteen year old.

834
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Speaker 1: I mean, once you're forty five in life, maybe you'd

835
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Speaker 1: stop smoking or something. You know, you know, you don't

836
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Speaker 1: make me what you are at forty three is what

837
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: you are mostly. I mean, even if you're going to

838
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: diet neat better, it lasts like eighteen months and then

839
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: you go back to Heinekens and Sloppy Jones for lunch.

840
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: Like I mean, let's be honest about it. At this point,

841
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: I'm not changing. It's hard to get me to get

842
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: a haircut, like I mean, I'm just not changing. This

843
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: is what you get and it's pretty good, but there's

844
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:06,760
Speaker 1: no more changes. I'm unchanging cold plunge, not interested, pickleball league,

845
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: talk to somebody else, not doing it.

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Speaker 3: It's the hurt