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Speaker 1: the Fantasy Football Podcast. Wide receiver ranks for Week thirteen.
Speaker 1: I've got patkits Morris, I've got Scott p and Al
Speaker 1: Scam Chris Welsh, and we are going to be breaking
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Speaker 1: wide receivers not as been deep as usual that we're
Speaker 1: used to couple wide receivers that could be top twenty
Speaker 1: maybe taking off due to some crazy snow. We got
Speaker 1: a whole bunch to cover. Are you guys ready to
Speaker 1: jump into wide receivers? Let's do it raw Robins looks
Speaker 1: like a big raw like yeah, let's go. Well, sorry,
Speaker 1: let's get into it. Wide receiver's Top twelve going to
Speaker 1: the big board. Here's a new entry into our number
Speaker 1: one overall rank. I do not believe we have seen him,
Speaker 1: but Nico Collins coming in at number one. As far
Speaker 1: as all wide receivers go, it's an incredible matchup against
Speaker 1: the Jaguars this week. AJ Brown number two, Jamar Chase
Speaker 1: Pooka and Justin Jefferson as your top five, Monrod six,
Speaker 1: Cooper Cup, Mike Evan, Ceedee Lamb, George Pickens, Courtland Sutton
Speaker 1: and Terry mcclaurin. That rounds out the top twelve. I mean,
Speaker 1: no play had me on my seat bigger than last
Speaker 1: week than Terry mclaurin's just massive touchdown that saved so
Speaker 1: many different the DFS lineup FFPC another big league that
Speaker 1: was an absolute big savior, and it's something that just
Speaker 1: kind of happens with the Commanders and Terry McLaurin. You
Speaker 1: wish you would get more volume because he's such a
Speaker 1: great player. But man, it feels like we get one
Speaker 1: of those a week. So let's talk about McLaurin here.
Speaker 1: He's got an ECR of twelve. We actually moved down
Speaker 1: one spot. He was eleven yesterday. You guys are a
Speaker 1: little bit on the opposite ends here, Scott, you are
Speaker 1: a tiny bit above consensus, fits you are a bit
Speaker 1: below consensus. So Scott, let's start with you on the positive.
Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin at number ten this week, going up against
Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans, which is only a two star matchup
Speaker 1: rating Accorn to Fantasy Pro. So what do you got
Speaker 1: on Terry McLaurin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if anything all that illuminating. I
Speaker 2: wish he'd get a healthier target share or target count.
Speaker 2: He's only made to double digit targets once this year,
Speaker 2: but he's got five games with one hundred yards, he's
Speaker 2: got touchdowns and what sixty five or six different games.
Speaker 2: He's obviously the first reading this offense. Brown is significantly
Speaker 2: further down the pecking order. They won't have Eckler in
Speaker 2: this game. Zach Ertz is going to do what he
Speaker 2: always does. He'll catch four passes. He'll fall immediately when
Speaker 2: he catches those passes, he'll get forty three yards and
Speaker 2: hopefully that does it for you. But at least we
Speaker 2: saw Washington the buoyancy of the offense. You know, Jayden Daniels,
Speaker 2: he was able to run a little bit last week.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he was protecting a rib. In
Speaker 2: previous weeks he looked more back and forth. It's important
Speaker 2: to remember that just because the Titans are a bad
Speaker 2: team doesn't mean their defense is bad. It's actually a
Speaker 2: quality defense. And I think their metrics would be even
Speaker 2: better if they weren't getting sold down the river by
Speaker 2: their offense almost every week because Levis just gives the
Speaker 2: ball away with all those negative plays that he makes.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we can quibble on is McLaurin a lower
Speaker 2: end wide receiver one, is a higher end wide receiver two?
Speaker 2: It doesn't really matter. We're finally seeing the Terry McLaurin
Speaker 2: breakout season. He's finally tied to a plus quarterback, to
Speaker 2: somebody we can feel good about. And I mentioned on
Speaker 2: The Running Back Show, I hope Garrett Wilson has this
Speaker 2: Terry McLaurin season down the road where he finally gets
Speaker 2: in the right situation. It's like that friend of yours
Speaker 2: has been a bunch of bad relationships. They finally found
Speaker 2: the right person. They're like, oh, that's great. They're gonna
Speaker 2: have a nice Thanksgiving together. You know, they're gonna get married,
Speaker 2: they're gonna have kids, They're going to build a pick
Speaker 2: at fence and all that, adopt a dog, all that stuff.
Speaker 2: So I think Terry mclaurin's finally having that year and
Speaker 2: he's been a set and forget guy. I know Pat
Speaker 2: and I you're sitting next to each other at the
Speaker 2: King's Classic for funding over Terry McLaurin because he's always
Speaker 2: been one of our favorite players. So happy to see
Speaker 2: him out kick his ADP. But to just remember, I mean,
Speaker 2: he's a fence wide receiver one two. That's really what
Speaker 2: the upside is for him.
Speaker 1: Pat, do you believe that? It is like we don't
Speaker 1: need to quabble about you know, wide receiver one, wide
Speaker 1: receiver two. Do you think that belongs there? The only
Speaker 1: reason I also to say that is like there's this
Speaker 1: collection of wide receiver, like the top eight. It's like
Speaker 1: all the names you expect, but then you start to
Speaker 1: get into the low teens, and you know, if you
Speaker 1: make that move for Terry McLaurin down to sixteen, he
Speaker 1: might be bumping up against a Lad Maconkey, Cortland Sutton
Speaker 1: looks incredible right now. And again I throw this in
Speaker 1: here because it's like if someone is out there and
Speaker 1: they start two wide receivers and they had drafted Jamar
Speaker 1: Chase and then they had got Cortland, Sutton, Lad and
Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin. Those are the four wide outs. That's a quandary.
Speaker 1: That's a little bit of a problem, like who are
Speaker 1: you sitting out there and you bump him down? So
Speaker 1: I kind of just push at you. Do you think
Speaker 1: it's a little arbitrary about you know, ten to sixteen
Speaker 1: is kind of in the same range, or do you
Speaker 1: have some general concerns putting him down there at sixteen?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean so I would rather play Sutton, who
Speaker 3: has been on fire ever since that weird Thursday night
Speaker 3: game where he got zero targets, and ever since then.
Speaker 3: I think he's like top five in Fantasy scoring. My
Speaker 3: concern with McLaurin, and it's not that much of a
Speaker 3: concern because I'm starting him in a lot of leagues
Speaker 3: this week, although not the King's Classic, where Scott wrestled
Speaker 3: him away from me.
Speaker 4: I believe.
Speaker 3: He only has seventeen targets over his last four games.
Speaker 3: He actually has ten fewer targets than Noah Brown over
Speaker 3: that stretch, which is weird. He's gotten kind of bailed
Speaker 3: out by big plays. The spectacular late game touchdown against
Speaker 3: Dallas last week, a fifty four yard catch a few
Speaker 3: weeks ago against the Steelers that helped push him over
Speaker 3: the one hundred yard mark that day. But McLaurin is
Speaker 3: only a double digit targets once all season. He's averaging
Speaker 3: eleven point one yards per target, which is great. And
Speaker 3: you know, because he is such a good player, not
Speaker 3: that wild for him to OutKick expectations in yards per target,
Speaker 3: although eleven point one probably a little on stainable over
Speaker 3: the long run. Also, you know this Titans defense, even
Speaker 3: without Lugerious Sneid who's on ir It's it's still a
Speaker 3: pretty formidable pass defense. So yeah, I'm just I like McLaurin.
Speaker 3: Of course, I think most people, accepting the most shallow
Speaker 3: of leagues are going to be starting him without question
Speaker 3: this week.
Speaker 4: I just for me, he's not quite a wide receiver. One.
Speaker 2: Let me just back that up, Chris, because you mentioned
Speaker 2: Sutton and McLaurin in the same conversation, and man, Sutton
Speaker 2: is a player I really like. He reminds me so
Speaker 2: much of Doug Bump even higher than that. Maybe he's
Speaker 2: in the top five at his peak. But maybe Tom
Speaker 2: Brady gave us a misleading understanding of what a quarterback
Speaker 2: could do in his forties, because you know, father time,
Speaker 2: I always wins, and we've seen a lot. You know, Manning,
Speaker 2: you know, lost it quicker than Brady did. And there's
Speaker 2: been other guy you Farv's obviously the comp that people
Speaker 2: make with Rogers. Who goes to the Jets has a
Speaker 2: lost season. I just don't want to watch the Jets.
Speaker 2: I don't want to bet on the Jets. I don't
Speaker 2: believe in the Jets. It's nothing about Garrett Wilson. It's
Speaker 2: the people throwing him the ball. It's the people calling
Speaker 2: them plays. There Adams is a mouth to feed too.
Speaker 2: It's just I can't. I can't do it. Man, I
Speaker 2: don't have I have him ranked when you're probably the
Speaker 2: start them anyway, But who knows, Maybe you got lucky
Speaker 2: with Courtland Sutton later in your draft, or you know,
Speaker 2: maybe maybe you made a trade and upgraded your depth
Speaker 2: and you only start two receivers and new league, you
Speaker 2: could bench Garrett Wilson. I just want you, I don't
Speaker 2: want you to be annged at all to anything you
Speaker 2: thought Garrett Wilson was before the season, because that doesn't
Speaker 2: apply now.
Speaker 1: Ranks almost look like Garret Wilson and DeVante Adams are
Speaker 1: becoming the Bucky Irving and Rashad White of wide receivers,
Speaker 1: where they're just kind of being ranked towards each other
Speaker 1: and you're just not really sure they could both eat
Speaker 1: in theory, especially more than a running back in the
Speaker 1: wide receiver side. But the questions on the offense in
Speaker 1: general are kind of out there. Fitz, you got him
Speaker 1: at eighteen. Do you think there's a little bit more
Speaker 1: optimism and upside going up against Seattle this week? Three
Speaker 1: star rating? It is an a matchup. You know, we
Speaker 1: have seen Garrett Wilson be more efficient than Adams in general.
Speaker 1: It's just that offense has just been kind of a disaster,
Speaker 1: and we know that there is a potential that brace
Speaker 1: Hall could be out in this game, so that either
Speaker 1: can get messier or they could rely more on throwing
Speaker 1: the ball, So eighteen a little bit more optimistic. Do
Speaker 1: you think there's a little bit more optimism for Garrett
Speaker 1: Wilson because also the last thing eighteen kind of starts
Speaker 1: to throw a wrinkle in of like maybe this isn't
Speaker 1: a guy we're actually starting. I know we label them
Speaker 1: as wide receiver twos, but there are guys that have
Speaker 1: jumped up that really could give people fits, no pun
Speaker 1: intended about like what decision they're going to make. So
Speaker 1: your take on Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, the last couple of weeks haven't been pretty.
Speaker 3: I think he's had like nine catches for fifty six
Speaker 3: yards over his last two games, and maybe it is
Speaker 3: right to be ready to wave the white flag on
Speaker 3: the Jets passing game. And it sounds like Scott has
Speaker 3: had that flag flying for a couple of weeks now,
Speaker 3: But it was not that long ago weeks five through
Speaker 3: Week nine. So during that five game stretch that again
Speaker 3: not all that long ago, Garret Wilson had forty catches
Speaker 3: for four hundred and seventy two yards and four touchdowns
Speaker 3: and was the wide receiver in fantasy scoring over that stretch.
Speaker 3: So I just can't forget that He's still inside my
Speaker 3: circle of trust, even if the passing game as a
Speaker 3: whole isn't. And I feel much better about Garret Wilson
Speaker 3: than I do about DeVante Adams at this point. Like
Speaker 3: Garret Wilson, I would start pretty much unconditionally DeVante Adams,
Speaker 3: I would, you know, there's some other ify guys I
Speaker 3: would maybe consider starting ahead of Davante.
Speaker 1: Wide receiver threes twenty five through thirty six, we start
Speaker 1: with Marvin Harrison, Junior, Jamison Williams, Brian Thomas, DJ Moore,
Speaker 1: Khalil Shakir, and Darnell Mooney. At thirty Juwan Jennings, Jacoby Meyers,
Speaker 1: Tank Dell Deebo, Samuel Jaylen Waddle and DeAndre Hopkins rounds
Speaker 1: out are wide receiver threes, and yes those are some
Speaker 1: low forty nine or wide receivers. I am not surprised
Speaker 1: that Juwan Jennings ranks higher than Debo. It's how it
Speaker 1: should be, what I've been alluding to for a while,
Speaker 1: and Debo was an absolute disaster this past week. Brock
Speaker 1: Perdy really wants to go to Juan Jennings. I think
Speaker 1: that's the vibe. But this week the LOLO rank is
Speaker 1: this bad storm that in theory is being thrown out.
Speaker 1: Is there gonna be a bunch of snow it's been
Speaker 1: going early on? This is what pushes them out. So Fitz,
Speaker 1: let's start with you on the forty nine ers wide
Speaker 1: receiver here. I don't know what you want to take
Speaker 1: out of it, like, are they complete nothing burgers for you?
Speaker 1: Because there's snow. Obviously, if it clears up and it's
Speaker 1: just snowy around, that actually could be a big positive
Speaker 1: that actually would benefit if we're being honest, something like
Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel, if there wasn't a flurry going on. But
Speaker 1: the conversation is there might not be much there. So A,
Speaker 1: do you think both forty nine ers receivers deserve to
Speaker 1: be outside the top thirty? And b is it Juwan
Speaker 1: Jennings over Deebo Samuel.
Speaker 3: Yeah, A lot of moving parts here, mainly the quarterback
Speaker 3: situation and the weather right now. When I first did
Speaker 3: these rankings, I did it with the assumption that Brandon
Speaker 3: Allen would play again, like I haven't seen enough positive
Speaker 3: indicators that we're gonna.
Speaker 4: Get brock perty back this week.
Speaker 3: And I also did it with the assumption that that
Speaker 3: was going to be reasonably playable. Weather didn't realize that
Speaker 3: there was a blizzard moving into Buffalo, so I had
Speaker 3: both guys ranked rankings twins in the mid thirties with
Speaker 3: this blizzard, and if Brandon Allen plays, I'm going to
Speaker 3: be moving Juwan Jennings probably down at least a dozen
Speaker 3: spots into the forties and unplayable territory. I think a
Speaker 3: blizzard would hurt Deebo a little bit less because he's
Speaker 3: a short area receiver who might also take the occasional reverse.
Speaker 3: And you know, Deebo is so good with the ball
Speaker 3: in his hands that maybe I don't know, maybe the
Speaker 3: snow it hurts defenders who don't know where the ballcarrier
Speaker 3: is going. You know, the ballcarrier knows where he's going.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I might still have Debo in the
Speaker 3: mid thirties with the snow. And I guess, you know,
Speaker 3: the problem isn't when Deebo has the ball in his hands,
Speaker 3: it's getting it into his hands. And that was a
Speaker 3: problem last week when he couple of easy throws go
Speaker 3: right through his mets.
Speaker 1: And there's you know, again there's some debate on where
Speaker 1: it is. There's some stuff out there that thinks, you know,
Speaker 1: we're going to have like big wins and massive massive
Speaker 1: snow some current weather things I'm showing out there, it's
Speaker 1: like a fifty percent chance of you know, snow flurry
Speaker 1: that's going to be going on. The wind doesn't look
Speaker 1: too crazy at this moment, but it's going to be
Speaker 1: like twenty degrees out so you have to watch that
Speaker 1: throughout the week. It is dangerous to make massive assumptions
Speaker 1: like it is going to be some crazy you know,
Speaker 1: we can't even see it on the screen type of
Speaker 1: game or anything like that, because we know production can happen.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, the question is like,
Speaker 1: if Brandon Allen is in there, these wide receivers stink
Speaker 1: down at the bottom. So Scott, it kind of goes
Speaker 1: to the same thing with you do both of these
Speaker 1: wide receivers deserve to be in the thirty old one?
Speaker 2: Just a great understanding of space and leverage. And since
Speaker 2: that bagel against the Saints and nobody saw that coming,
Speaker 2: the Broncos have correct They've done what good teams do.
Speaker 2: They did something wrong and they fixed it. Since then,
Speaker 2: Sutton has between eight and eleven targets in every game,
Speaker 2: He's had strong yardage totals. In every game he scored
Speaker 2: three touchdowns, and bow Nicks has gone from a running
Speaker 2: quarterback who sometimes throws to a throwing quarterback who can
Speaker 2: run if he needs to. Courtland Sutton to me, if
Speaker 2: I anticipate there may be some Sutton versus McLaurin questions
Speaker 2: this week, and I know initially my first ranking had
Speaker 2: McLaurin higher, but I think that's wrong. I think Sutton.
Speaker 2: I've fixed it since then. I think Sutton is certainly
Speaker 2: the preference here, and I think we're going to look
Speaker 2: back and say Courtland Sutton was one of the right
Speaker 2: answers of the fantasy season.
Speaker 1: And it's Nicks too. It's about Nicks. You know, last week,
Speaker 1: just to shout out to the Betting Pros app will
Speaker 1: put up these like Betting Pros only plays. And my
Speaker 1: play of the week last week, if you had checked
Speaker 1: out Betting Pros, you would have got it for three
Speaker 1: or four days was bo Nick's over nineteen point five
Speaker 1: completions because he had had three straight weeks of twenty
Speaker 1: two or more completions four now four. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: a completion monster. They've really perfected some of the big plays,
Speaker 1: but then the short line completions he can get and
Speaker 1: that benefits a guy like Courtland Sutton, and it's kind
Speaker 1: of a stabilizer through the rest of the year. So
Speaker 1: I completely agree here. It's a weird collection of you know,
Speaker 1: you got these huge names at the top of mon
Speaker 1: Ra Cooper, Mike Evans, and then it's like at the
Speaker 1: bottom of the first round it's Courtland Sutton, George Pickens,
Speaker 1: and Terry McLaurin. And there's some negatives in there. Courtland
Speaker 1: Sutton is probably the safest of that entire group from
Speaker 1: a volume in Big Playstann and look at bo.
Speaker 2: Nicks, by the way, making a run at Offensive Rookie
Speaker 2: of the Year, which was basically that that trophy was
Speaker 2: already in the case for Jaden Daniels maybe a month
Speaker 2: ago or six weeks ago, and now Daniel's still the favorite,
Speaker 2: but Nix is coming on fast to the point that
Speaker 2: whoever plays better the rest of the season, I think
Speaker 2: is going to win that award. And remember Cleveland, and
Speaker 2: we think of the Browns defense maybe is better than
Speaker 2: it is because you know, their cold weather team, that's
Speaker 2: their identity, and Miles Garrett is a wonderful player. The
Speaker 2: Cleveland secondary has not played well at all. So if
Speaker 2: you need Court and Sutton to come through on Monday,
Speaker 2: I think you can do just that against the Brown secondary.
Speaker 2: You can make hay On all right.
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Speaker 1: for that Buffalo forty nine er game. All right, wide
Speaker 1: receivers thirteen through twenty four. These would be the wide
Speaker 1: out twos. Malik Neighbors comes in at thirteen. We've got
Speaker 1: Drake London, Tyreek Hill down outside the top fourteen T Higgins,
Speaker 1: Lad McConkie, Calvin Ridley's A Flowers, Garrett Wilson, Jackson Smith
Speaker 1: and Jigba, dk Metcalf, Devanta Adams and Jaden Reed. Let
Speaker 1: me throw kurveball that's not on the sheet here and
Speaker 1: Pat will start with you. Who would you rather this week?
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill or Lad McConkie Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 3: I'm just going back to the well with Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 3: I still, you know, fundamentally believe it. It should work
Speaker 3: with him, even if it hasn't yet, always a threat
Speaker 3: to break a big play.
Speaker 4: Although I am a little.
Speaker 3: Bit concerned about a team based in South Florida going
Speaker 3: up to Green Band Thanksgiving night, where the temperatures are
Speaker 3: probably going to be in the low twenties, how is
Speaker 3: that passing game going to function.
Speaker 1: With a bunch of Where do you have him ranked?
Speaker 3: I've got him a wide receiver ten. It's hard for
Speaker 3: me to move him out of wide receiver one range.
Speaker 3: And I know I keep going back to the well
Speaker 3: on Tyreek Hill, and that probably explains why wide receiver
Speaker 3: has been my worst position in rankings accuracy all year.
Speaker 1: So the same thing Scott Lad McConkie or Tyreek Hill
Speaker 1: this week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would go on to McConkie. You know, Tyreek
Speaker 2: Hill was wide receiver four and half point PPR in
Speaker 2: that first week. That's just unusual runout right, he is
Speaker 2: he incident before the game plays great? Anyway, his best
Speaker 2: performance since then sing in a half point pprs wide
Speaker 2: receiver sixteen. And there's a lot of bricks in there.
Speaker 2: There's a forty, there's a forty one, there's an eighty nine.
Speaker 2: I realized there were some games to it didn't play.
Speaker 2: At some point you have to accept. Look, I know
Speaker 2: some people are saying, hey, Jayalen Wattle finally came in. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's great after two months of doing absolutely nothing. They
Speaker 2: don't want Tua taking deep drops. I don't like Miami
Speaker 2: at all. And I realize this is like the lowest
Speaker 2: hanging fruit, But I don't like Miami at all. In
Speaker 2: this green Bay environment night game, the fish out of water,
Speaker 2: frozen tundrift, it actually will be frozen. I'm still not
Speaker 2: even all the way in on too. I know a
Speaker 2: lot of people were singing his prices. He was really
Speaker 2: good last week. He's been pretty good since the return.
Speaker 2: But I'm not I'm never going to be in love
Speaker 2: with Tua. That's just where I'm at right now. And
Speaker 2: with mconkie catches all of his targets on Monday, while
Speaker 2: Quintin Johnson was just finding new ways to drop passes,
Speaker 2: you know, over the middle, on the boundaries, you're running
Speaker 2: wrong routes. I got to figure that. Justin Herbert's gonna say,
Speaker 2: who can I trust. It's Lad maconkie catching all his targets,
Speaker 2: it's Will Disley catching all his target it's McConkie. Hasn't
Speaker 2: been a volume monster, but I think this is the
Speaker 2: week maybe he gets into that double digit target range.
Speaker 2: So I know it's floor over upside because as Pat said,
Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill can make your week with that one big play.
Speaker 2: He can score an eighty R touchdown. Maybe McConkie probably
Speaker 2: ostensibly can't. But I'm going to go with the bass player.
Speaker 2: I know the league guitarist is Hill, but I have
Speaker 2: to tax him for basically three months of you know,
Speaker 2: Mia production for this Miami team. I hate the matchup,
Speaker 2: so I'm going to regret this when Tyreek Hill has
Speaker 2: a monster game on Thanksgiving Night, but I have him
Speaker 2: maybe ten slots lower than Pat does.
Speaker 1: The Chargers want to go deep is part of the problem,
Speaker 1: and they don't use Lad deep, and I hope they
Speaker 1: do make that change. Like you're talking about like he is,
Speaker 1: he's the comfort level.
Speaker 2: But Conky's understanding of space and how to beat z
Speaker 2: own is so so great and the only reason Georgia
Speaker 2: didn't have to throw the ball like crazy. They had
Speaker 2: Bowers and mcconukkee on the same team, and just imagine
Speaker 2: if they played a team They're a team that couldn't
Speaker 2: run the ball, they had no defense or something. Obviously
Speaker 2: they've always had stud defensive players too. That's what is
Speaker 2: how you get to multip national championships. I want all
Speaker 2: the Lad McConkey in Dynasty. Not that you're going to
Speaker 2: get him off his manager's hands easily, because I'm sure
Speaker 2: everybody likes him. But I am really impressed with McConkie.
Speaker 2: I think he's I think his rookie season has been
Speaker 2: better than it's looked, just because they haven't fully stepped
Speaker 2: into his role, and I can't wait to see what
Speaker 2: this offense is like. Maybe t Higgins goes there next year.
Speaker 2: I just want Quentin Johnson out of my life. And
Speaker 2: you know, Palmer is never going to be somebody I'm
Speaker 2: going to trust. Snap to snap. They're playing Jalen Rager
Speaker 2: for crying out loud. Let's get some real receivers in
Speaker 2: the LAC to help out McConkie. But I think Lad
Speaker 2: mcconauky next year is going to be like wide receiver
Speaker 2: twenty on my board to start to see.
Speaker 1: So if you get if Ladd had Puokah like targets,
Speaker 1: he would probably put up Pooka like numbers, which is
Speaker 1: kind of crazy. And shout out always over and shout
Speaker 1: out to Herbert and Ladd, because I took five and
Speaker 1: a half over receptions and it was one of those
Speaker 1: things where it felt like you know in college, where
Speaker 1: they understand you know, the marketing, the betting side, and
Speaker 1: they go for that extra field goal when they shouldn't,
Speaker 1: that last little target with like a minute left. I
Speaker 1: felt like Herbert did that just for me, So thank
Speaker 1: you Lad and Herbert. I appreciate that one. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about Calvin Ridley here, Calvin Ridley has got an ECR
Speaker 1: of eighteen. He was actually at sixteen earlier, so he's
Speaker 1: moved down just a tiny bit. Scott, you've got him
Speaker 1: at fifteen. Fitch, you've got him at twenty one. Let's
Speaker 1: talk on the negative for a second. Fits. You know,
Speaker 1: you're not crazy off of the ECR, but you are
Speaker 1: lower than ECR outside the top twenty. On Calvin Ridley,
Speaker 1: who's going up against Washington four star rating in an
Speaker 1: A minus matchup grade according to Fantasy Pros. What he
Speaker 1: got on Ridley?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was buying the Calvin Ridley steam a few
Speaker 3: weeks ago when he was practically drowning in targets, but
Speaker 3: now I'm pumping the brakes a little bit. He's only
Speaker 3: drawn six targets in each of his last two games,
Speaker 3: and it's not like that was because the Titans were
Speaker 3: blowing anyone out in those games. One of them was
Speaker 3: a ten point loss to Minnesota, the other was that
Speaker 3: wild seesaw game last week against the Texans. And obviously
Speaker 3: whatever targets Ridley is getting are coming from Will levis
Speaker 3: so still high on him, Still think he's startable in
Speaker 3: most leagues, but he is just outside the top twenty
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 1: Scott, you have got him higher, You've got him inside
Speaker 1: your top fifteen. This week, Jeff, Calvin Ridley over Tyreek kill.
Speaker 2: I do, but it's not with a ton of conviction.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's other people getting touchdowns here. The Levis concern,
Speaker 2: I had hoped when you saw that fifteen target game
Speaker 2: against Detroit where Ridley came off the bus just smoking,
Speaker 2: and then there's eight and nine targets the next two games.
Speaker 2: I thought the Titans were going to lean into their
Speaker 2: best player, and they haven't done that to the level
Speaker 2: I want, and teams need to identify the Giants should
Speaker 2: be doing this with neighbors his usage. Has it made
Speaker 2: any sense for me the last few weeks. He's complained
Speaker 2: about this week. Maybe they'll fix it on Thanksgiving, But
Speaker 2: there's no reason why Calvin Ridley shouldn't have ten targets
Speaker 2: every week. And I think the fact that he hasn't
Speaker 2: gotten that usage. I don't know if it's the coaching staff.
Speaker 2: I don't know to what degree it's Levis. Maybe defenses
Speaker 2: are prioritizing him. I admit that when I do rewatch,
Speaker 2: as the Titans are one of the last teams I
Speaker 2: want to look at. It's just, you know, I want
Speaker 2: to watch the fun teams. I want to watch the teams.
Speaker 2: I feel like the answer that I derive will actually
Speaker 2: have fantasy utility. I don't know that there is anything
Speaker 2: to figure out with the Titans necessarily, but I just
Speaker 2: wish the usage were a little bit heavier. I feel
Speaker 2: like it should be. And at this point late in November,
Speaker 2: when teams tell you what they are, you have to believe,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: It kind of reminds me of last week. One of
Speaker 1: my favorite bets was Travis Kelcey to get a receiving touchdown,
Speaker 1: and my logic was Panthers had given up five receiving
Speaker 1: touchdowns to tight ends over the last three weeks and
Speaker 1: seven on the season, and then what happens Noah Gray
Speaker 1: gets them, and I'm like, well, all right, my logic
Speaker 1: was right. It's just it went in the opposite end.
Speaker 1: It's kind of the same thing I look at where
Speaker 1: it's like Calvin Ridley, you want more usage, you want
Speaker 1: the bigger plays. The logic is there, but then it's
Speaker 1: Nick Westbrook who ends up getting the big plays every
Speaker 1: single week and he gets those touchdowns.
Speaker 2: So Wi baby, seventeen catches, what's seven touchdowns? Now, it's
Speaker 2: what a fun player he is. Look, I know this
Speaker 2: isn't necessarily NWI segment, but let's just mention it. Right
Speaker 2: since they traded Hopkins, he's on the field like ninety
Speaker 2: percent of the time. He's basically in every passing down player,
Speaker 2: and he scored short touchs. He had a long touchdown
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago. If you're in a pinch
Speaker 2: with a deeper league, some injuries or whatever, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I could ride with nick Us.
Speaker 3: For he has scored a touchdown on twenty percent of
Speaker 3: his targets this year. Thirty targets, six touchdowns.
Speaker 1: Kind of hard to predict, but at this point, who cares.
Speaker 1: You just get him out there and he gets you
Speaker 1: those points. Let's talk about Garrett Wilson with the Jets.
Speaker 1: There was some negativity I believe earlier. I think even
Speaker 1: in the RB show that we were talking about just
Speaker 1: about the Jets offense in general. He comes in at
Speaker 1: ECR twenty. Fitzy, you got him at eighteen, Scott, you
Speaker 1: got him at twenty two. Scott, let's start with you.
Speaker 1: I know you're just kind of negative on the Jets
Speaker 1: in general, the wide receivers kind of go back and forth.
Speaker 4: Grett.
Speaker 1: Garrett had kind of been like, you know, the guy,
Speaker 1: and then that was slowly kind of fading away. You
Speaker 1: seem a little bit pessimistic about his value. He's almost
Speaker 1: outside of wide receiver two but not quite so. Talk
Speaker 1: to us on starting Garrett Wilson a week thirteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is you know, goodwill hunting. This is where
Speaker 2: Robin Williams hugged you and says, it's not that's your fault.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't Terry mclaurin's fault. It wasn't Alan Robinson's fault.
Speaker 2: It's not Garrett Wilson's fault. He's a tremendous player and
Speaker 2: I just can't wait to see him get his Jaden
Speaker 2: Daniels that McLaurin got. We talked about this in the
Speaker 2: Running Back Show. Aaron Rodgers has played every card he can.
Speaker 2: He got the offensive cordiator fired, he got Devontae Adams
Speaker 2: to come in. You know, they've changed everything they can
Speaker 2: and they can't see him to figure it out. It's
Speaker 2: late November, man, we can't be anchored to priors. I
Speaker 2: love Garret. I think Garrett Wilson is easily one of
Speaker 2: the top ten most talented receivers in the league.
Speaker 1: He might even if brock Perty is active. And are
Speaker 1: you taking a lot of cues from the potential weather
Speaker 1: into ranking these guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you hit the keyword with the weather, which is wind.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm looking for. You can offset snow. And
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes, as you guys talked about, defender doesn't
Speaker 2: know where he's going the offensive player does. It only
Speaker 2: takes one slip and fall and you have a fifty
Speaker 2: five yard touchdown on your hands. Although I don't know
Speaker 2: if Debo is ever going to have a fifty five
Speaker 2: yeard t He only has two touchdowns this year and
Speaker 2: he has not been a target earner for a couple
Speaker 2: of months now. I agree with you, Chris, that it
Speaker 2: was overdue to move Jennings above Deebo a few weeks ago.
Speaker 2: I think the industry has been a little bit slow
Speaker 2: on that. Of course, last week with Alan playing and
Speaker 2: just you know, it's like a throwout week. I get it.
Speaker 2: But how healthy is pretty Even if Purty plays, which
Speaker 2: I think he will, I don't think Kyle Shanahan wants
Speaker 2: to get him hit a lot. We don't know the
Speaker 2: stats of Trent Williams. Their offensive line has not been
Speaker 2: great this year, so you just have to get used
Speaker 2: to These are not the forty nine ers we signed
Speaker 2: up for. We have to play for what they are
Speaker 2: and not what we want them to be. But I
Speaker 2: think Jennings is still somebody you could play as long
Speaker 2: as the wind isn't crazy in the four K. This
Speaker 2: is again, make this decision as late as you can.
Speaker 2: I realize in most leagues by one pm Eastern you're
Speaker 2: going to have to have a kind of an idea
Speaker 2: who you're playing and who you're not. But you'll make
Speaker 2: a much more informed decision on Sunday than we can
Speaker 2: do in the middle of the week. But yes, the
Speaker 2: takeaway from me is Jennings is certainly above debo and
Speaker 2: we want stats. It's the numbers, not the names. That's
Speaker 2: one of the key takeaways.
Speaker 3: Well, can I make one real quick point about this weather?
Speaker 3: So I know like the inclination is for fantasy managers
Speaker 3: to overreact to weather situations, and I think it was
Speaker 3: last year. We had a game in early December where
Speaker 3: it was a Saturday night game. Miami was visiting Buffalo
Speaker 3: and we had blizzard conditions forecast for the game. At turnout,
Speaker 3: the wind wasn't that bad. There was snow and the
Speaker 3: passing game it was not a you know, track meet
Speaker 3: by any means, but the passing games were relatively unaffected.
Speaker 3: If I recall, like Stefan Diggs still like seventy or
Speaker 3: eighty receiving yards. I think Jalen Waddle had a long
Speaker 3: touchdown catch in that game. So anyone who like just
Speaker 3: flat out benched all their receivers in that game because
Speaker 3: of the weather, a couple of them. Those people probably
Speaker 3: had regrets. So I would just like wind is key
Speaker 3: Scott mentioned it. I think wind matters more with the
Speaker 3: passing games than the snow does. And you know, we
Speaker 3: saw the offenses work pretty well the other week with
Speaker 3: the Steelers in Cleveland in that snow game. Just the
Speaker 3: wind is the thing to keep an eye on.
Speaker 2: I want to echo that the idea that not that
Speaker 2: you want to be extreme in anything. Most things land
Speaker 2: in the middle. But if you had to choose a
Speaker 2: path of overreacting to weather or underreacting to weather, as
Speaker 2: a general rule of thumb, I would say underreact to it.
Speaker 3: I think people want to feel like they're managing their teams,
Speaker 3: and weather is one way that they can proactively manage things.
Speaker 3: But I think people tend to be guilty of overmanaging
Speaker 3: in a lot of cases.
Speaker 1: And the toughest thing about this is four games going
Speaker 1: before Sunday that people are going to have to make decisions.
Speaker 1: So I think the way the not overreaction is just like,
Speaker 1: be done with Debo. I think that's the biggest approach
Speaker 1: I would do. Jennings, Yes, be out with Devo. There's
Speaker 1: conflicting things here. I just want to point out there
Speaker 1: are some meteorologists reports that are saying we could have
Speaker 1: thirty mile an hour wins in that game. That's not good.
Speaker 1: But there's also some meteorologists reports that are showing that
Speaker 1: most of the bulk of this will be Friday Saturday
Speaker 1: and it'll be a lot of clean up on Sunday
Speaker 1: and just cold. And that's the thing where you're going
Speaker 1: to still have big offensive outputs. So you know, if
Speaker 1: you have Sunday decisions, there you go. Unfortunately, you might
Speaker 1: have to make some tough ones prior to that, and
Speaker 1: I think the easiest play is Debo kicks rocks.
Speaker 2: Well, another thing too, you made a really great point there, Chris.
Speaker 2: That three games Thursday, one game Friday. So what does
Speaker 2: this mean? Your fantasy matchup will have a lot more
Speaker 2: definition in a lot of leagues on Sunday than it
Speaker 2: normally does when this one game in the books. So
Speaker 2: this is going to be a case of then you
Speaker 2: can play to your do I need floor? Do I
Speaker 2: need upside? Have I put up a bunch of points?
Speaker 2: Have I put up a couple of does what is
Speaker 2: my opponent done? I try not to be crazy about
Speaker 2: just put your best line about there. But if you're
Speaker 2: in an extreme situation, you have a big lead or
Speaker 2: you have a big deficit, that may affect your ceiling
Speaker 2: floor decisions. And maybe it's a case of Okay, I'm
Speaker 2: in pretty good shape here, I can make the safer play.
Speaker 2: I'll just steer clear of this buffalo game, you know,
Speaker 2: something like that.
Speaker 1: So just keep in.
Speaker 2: Mind that you're going to have more information about the
Speaker 2: personality of your matchup, maybe in some leagues in week
Speaker 2: thirteen than a normal week would allow.
Speaker 1: Exactly, And then you know, wait for rock party as well.
Speaker 1: For this all right, two more quick wide receiver ones
Speaker 1: DJ Moore, He's got an ECR of twenty eight, and
Speaker 1: we've got a difference between you guys, Scott. You were
Speaker 1: at ECR, so it's actually to start with you real quick.
Speaker 1: He breaks inside the top thirty little bit more of
Speaker 1: the circle of trust. Not quite there. You've got him
Speaker 1: at ECR. Your thoughts off what you saw with DJ
Speaker 1: Moore and Caleb Williams.
Speaker 2: Last week, Man, I wish I could un see that
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams sack and overtime where he held the ball
Speaker 2: for about twenty seven minutes. But Caleb did play better.
Speaker 2: The offense has been better with Thomas Brown calling the shots,
Speaker 2: and even though DJ Moore did not have the market
Speaker 2: share we wanted, he caught all of his targets. I
Speaker 2: still think he's the number one here, even if the
Speaker 2: target share last week didn't reflect that. Troy, it's a
Speaker 2: bad matchup and this is a good defense even without
Speaker 2: Aiden Hutchinson. They have playmakers on all three levels. I
Speaker 2: thought this is a Darius White pickup at the trade
Speaker 2: deadline was a great move. But I feel like this
Speaker 2: is a game where DJ Moore is going to end
Speaker 2: the day with ten targets, probably somewhere between sixty and
Speaker 2: eighty yards. I'll give him maybe a forty percent chance
Speaker 2: at a touchdown. I feel pretty good about more.
Speaker 1: Pat, you are a bit lower. You've got him back
Speaker 1: down at thirty five. Where you not what we saw
Speaker 1: at DJ Moore this past week?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not. Oh, by the way, a bit of
Speaker 4: breaking news.
Speaker 3: It sounds like Drew Locke is going to make the
Speaker 3: start for the Giants on Thanksgiving Day, which frees up
Speaker 3: Tommy DeVito to come eat pasta with you, Scott on
Speaker 3: for Thanksgiving dinner. So yet DJ Moore was the wide
Speaker 3: receiver FOI in fantasy scoring last week. He came into
Speaker 3: that game as the wide receiver forty two in fantasy
Speaker 3: points per game. Caleb through a season high forty seven
Speaker 3: passes last week, and only seven of them went to more.
Speaker 3: He actually had a fourteen point nine percent target chair,
Speaker 3: which is pretty anemic. It helps, though, that Moore has
Speaker 3: been catching everything that's come as way lately last two
Speaker 3: games fourteen targets, fourteen catches. I do think the Bears
Speaker 3: are going to struggle against the Lions, who have the
Speaker 3: lowest opponent passer rating in the league, and like slot
Speaker 3: receivers do pretty well against the Lions, but perimeter receivers
Speaker 3: do not. I don't think Dj Moore is someone I'm
Speaker 3: really looking to proactively get into my lineups this week.
Speaker 1: All right, one more, let's look at Briant Thomas with
Speaker 1: the Jaguars. Jaguars are back doing the business. He's actually
Speaker 1: moved up to twenty seven. He was thirty two a
Speaker 1: little bit earlier. So you guys are both lower than consensus.
Speaker 1: Now there was a little bit of a flip fit.
Speaker 1: You've got him at twenty nine. Scott's got him at
Speaker 1: thirty four. Pat, Let's get some thoughts on Brian Thomas.
Speaker 1: He has left our circle of trust. But do you think,
Speaker 1: you know, with Lawrence theoretically back, I don't even know
Speaker 1: if they've gone hundred percent confirmed. If he is back
Speaker 1: this week, I think he is. Are we feeling better
Speaker 1: about Brian Thomas better?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 3: And you know I feel guilty having him ranked higher
Speaker 3: than Scott because I know this is a player Scott
Speaker 3: absolutely loves and is probably more in.
Speaker 4: Love with than I am.
Speaker 3: But like, mostly I'm just betting on a wildly talented
Speaker 3: young receiver who's pacing for you know, a thousand yard season,
Speaker 3: has scored five touchdowns, averaging ten point nine yards per
Speaker 3: target in a bad offense, and now he gets the
Speaker 3: starting quarterback.
Speaker 4: So there's a little bit of hope.
Speaker 3: Texans aren't the easiest matchup, especially if they get to
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence with the pass rush, but they have a
Speaker 3: lot of the sixth most fantasy points to receivers.
Speaker 1: Same thing, mister Pianowski. Your thoughts on Brian Thomas Junior.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, encourage that he had eighty two yards
Speaker 2: receiving against the good Detroit secondary and you know, hopefully
Speaker 2: the bye week has helped Jackson will figure out a
Speaker 2: few things. I realize trusting Doug Peterson is not an
Speaker 2: easy leap, but I'm hoping seven to nine targets here.
Speaker 2: I'm going to bet on the talent and hope that
Speaker 2: maybe they streamline their offense out of the buy.
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