1 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: Hi. I'm Laura Vanderkamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist, 2 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: and speaker. 3 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 2: And I'm Sarah hart Hunger, a mother of three, practicing physician, writer, 4 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 2: and course creator. We are two working parents who love 5 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 2: our careers and our families. 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds. Here we talk about 7 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: how real women manage work, family, and time for fun. 8 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: From figuring out childcare to mapping out long term career goals. 9 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: We want you to get the most out of life. 10 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds. This is Laura. This 11 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: episode is airing in early to mid December of twenty 12 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: twenty five. We are going to be talking the holidays. 13 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: We've run a great many holiday episodes over the years, 14 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: but it is a fun and festive time of year. 15 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: We want people to enjoy it. We're not big on 16 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: the whole simple the holidays thing. That's not really our 17 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: jam around here. However, we do want people to maximize 18 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: the fun and minimize the fuss, so the topics we're 19 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: going to talk about today are aimed along that. However, 20 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 1: before the holidays are upon us, we have another fun, 21 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 1: festive celebration coming up. Sarah has a book coming out 22 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: next week called Best Laid Plans, and it is a 23 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,479 Speaker 1: great system for planning the life you want. But Sarah, 24 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: maybe you can tell us a little bit more about 25 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: it in your pre order bonuses. 26 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it comes out in just seven days. I'm 27 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 2: so excited. The full title is Best Laid Plans, a 28 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 2: simple planning system for living a life that you love. 29 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 2: So you know, that's pretty self explanatory, but it is 30 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 2: a whole system packed into a book, which I don't 31 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 2: see all that often, and I'm really excited to hear 32 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 2: how people implement various parts of that. And so I 33 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 2: actually thought a really fun pre order bonus would be 34 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 2: and is a PDF checklist that really incorporates all of 35 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 2: the parts of that system, so people can decide to 36 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 2: kind of check that off as they're doing their planning 37 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 2: and their own variations, as there's places on that pdf 38 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 2: to like dot grid space to record your own spin 39 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 2: on things. And it's really pretty and kind of matches 40 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 2: the aesthetics of the book and Bestlaid Plans and all that. 41 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 2: So if you would like this PDF for free and 42 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 2: you've pre ordered the book, you can get that at 43 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 2: the shoe box dot com slash pre Orders I'm also 44 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 2: including an invite to a free webinar we're holding in 45 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 2: mid January. It's going to be all about planning, some tips, 46 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 2: and then i'll take Q and a about the book, 47 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 2: and so anybody who pre orders is invited to that 48 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: as well. So yeah, if you are interested in buying 49 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 2: the book, I highly encourage you to just get. 50 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: That order in. 51 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 2: It's available anywhere the books are sold. And this is 52 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 2: my very first launch, so I have no idea what 53 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 2: to expect, but I am on call the week of 54 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 2: the launch. 55 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. So the website, in case people didn't get it's 56 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: the and then shoe is SHU like Sarah's initials, So 57 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: the shoebox dot com slash pre order. And people may 58 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: be wondering, Sarah, if they listen to you every week 59 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: here and at best laid plans, what are they getting 60 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: in the book that they're not getting there? 61 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, the book is just entirely comprehensive. 62 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 2: It's the only place that really has all of the 63 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 2: tools that I suggest in one place. I also include 64 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 2: more personal vignettes, some interesting ones. I mean, I'm not 65 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 2: saying there's like juicy stuff in there that's really crazy, 66 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 2: because I still have to live in this world, not 67 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 2: going to share anybody else's secrets, but I do get 68 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 2: fairly personal around a few things as well, So it's. 69 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 3: Like one tenth narrative and then. 70 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 2: Ninety percent instructive and kind of gives you lots of 71 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: use examples as well. The last chapter is all vignettes 72 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 2: of real people who have put my system into place 73 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 2: and the different spins that they have made on best 74 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 2: laid plans, because I do teach a system, but one 75 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 2: of the things I teach is that your planning needs 76 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 2: are going to change, They're going to iterate, and they 77 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 2: can really be customized. So I think that last chapter 78 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 2: really speaks to you. 79 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is really the modern day getting things done. 80 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: If people have read day it Alan, Sarah's got a 81 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: comprehensive system as well, and it's definitely tailored to people 82 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: who have busy lives, work, family, lots of responsibilities, So 83 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: you're definitely going to want to check that out. Sarah, 84 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: Are you doing anything to celebrate. 85 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 3: No, not as of now. 86 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 2: I was at my book club last night and they 87 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 2: were like, why are we not throwing you a party? 88 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 2: And I'm like, I don't know, so we might kind 89 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 2: of have our January book club have a little party element, 90 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 2: so maybe we'll do that. 91 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 3: But other than that, just planning. 92 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 2: On if there are opportunities to talk locally and stuff, 93 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 2: I'll definitely let everybody know about those things, and I'll 94 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 2: celebrate it by cheering loudly as I take call the 95 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 2: week of the release, because that's I mean, hey, that's 96 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 2: my books written as someone who is also doing the 97 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 2: constraints of a regular job. So in a way, maybe 98 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 2: it's exactly well. 99 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: I encourage you to check that out. Definitely get your 100 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: copy of Best Laid Plans. If you do it this week, 101 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: you get your pre order bonuses. But obviously good bye 102 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 1: the book whenever I think you're really going to you 103 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: love it. So this episode is mostly about other festivities 104 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: about the holiday season. We definitely believe this season can 105 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: feel festive and fun even for you. We think with 106 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: good planning, it's possible to do fun stuff, including stuff 107 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: that is fun for you, and have open space alongside 108 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: various traditions and obligations, like it's kind of fun to 109 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: get into some of the holiday stuff. I was sending 110 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: Sarah pictures of So my husband's office has had their 111 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: Christmas party, low these many years, right, I have gone 112 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 1: with him to umpteen holiday parties for his office at 113 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: this point, and I will admit that sometimes it's a 114 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: bit of an obligation. But this year they decided to 115 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,359 Speaker 1: do a Roaring twenties party, and I was like, you 116 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: know what, I am just going to go all out. 117 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: So I have purchased myself a flapper dress, the flapper 118 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: head dress. Yes, the flapper gloves. It's gonna be great. 119 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 3: Sarah, it is gonna be great. 120 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 2: I think a festive outfit does mean a lot, so 121 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 2: I'm thinking about it. I ordered a dress because I 122 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 2: have something upcoming that it might be a holiday dress, 123 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 2: but I have in my mind I need like a 124 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 2: holiday jumpsuit. So stay tuned, because you know, I do 125 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 2: have a couple of work parties and like they would 126 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 2: probably be more fun if I showed up in like 127 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 2: a crushed velvet red or green jumpsuit. 128 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: Jumpsuits are a lot of fun. I enjoyed them. They're 129 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 1: like different and all that. The only issue, of course 130 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: is the bathroom. 131 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, as someone who pumped and stuff, like, 132 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 2: does it really matter that I'm like pulling my top 133 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 2: down to go to. 134 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 3: The bathroom, like, not really, it's fine. 135 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: I saw a meme as somebody was like, everyone compliments 136 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: you on your cute jumpsuit, but then in the bathroom, 137 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: it's just you and your choices. 138 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 2: It's true, you need to make someone snaps on the bottom, 139 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 2: but that might be a lot of It's like a 140 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: onesie for adults. 141 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: So one of the things we always suggest people do 142 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: is make a holiday list. And obviously people celebrate a 143 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: wide variety of holiday traditions this time of year, but 144 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: even within sort of secular context, there are many sort 145 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: of community activities and light displays and all of those 146 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: that do not necessarily have any particular faith at the 147 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: core of them. It's just sort of a time that 148 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: everyone celebrates, especially places where it is dark and cold, 149 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: a little bit of coziness and light and things like that. 150 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: So many things to avail yourself of. Sarah, what's on 151 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: your holiday fun list this year? 152 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 2: Yes, well, it is a Nutcracker year. We tend to 153 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 2: do Nutcracker every other year or so. It just feels 154 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 2: a little too much to do it yearly. But we 155 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 2: are planning and I actually just sent some friends the dates, 156 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 2: so we're scheduling that I always need to watch Elf 157 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 2: and Home Alone. 158 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 3: Those are my two favorite. 159 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 2: Actually, I like the Charlie Brown Christmas Special too, so 160 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,679 Speaker 2: I'd say those are That's my holiday trifecta of movies. 161 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 2: And we do a family honic a party usually at 162 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 2: my in laws. There's latkas, and we do gifts for 163 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 2: the kids. But I think this year we should add 164 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 2: a book exchange for the adults because everyone reads in 165 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 2: this group, and I just think that would like I 166 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 2: don't usually always get anything, and just even getting like 167 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 2: a book will I think make things and buying a 168 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 2: book for one of my adult relatives will make things 169 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 2: a little bit more fun. 170 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 3: So, yeah, what about you? 171 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: Well, that sounds fun, Like would you pull names out 172 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: of a hat, like who you're supposed to buy for? 173 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 2: It's not even like that many people, but even if 174 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 2: it's six or seven, that that makes for an exchange. 175 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that could be a very good exchange. I 176 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: like that idea. That's fun. Yeah, no, I'm I have 177 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: a couple. I have a long list. Honestly, you know, 178 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: we've been in this community for fourteen years now, and 179 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: you start to have a lot of things that are 180 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: going to happen this year. I'm singing in multiple Christmas concerts. 181 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: I will go to Longwood Gardens. We're going to do 182 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: Dutch Wonderland in terms of holiday light displays. We are 183 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 1: going to go ice skating. I believe I will probably 184 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,359 Speaker 1: take a trip to Winter Tour, which is a decorated 185 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: mansion around here, one of the old families, you know. Anyway, 186 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: they do up the estate very well for Christmas, and 187 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: I haven't been to that in a couple of years, 188 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: so I'm probably going to go to that one. There's 189 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: my husband's holiday party as always. I think I am 190 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: taking some children to the Nutcracker and some children to 191 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: potentially the Rackets. I thought maybe this wouldn't be a 192 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: racket year, but some people want to go into New York, 193 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: so we may as well go. See It's only like 194 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,839 Speaker 1: an hour and a half anyway, and other people will 195 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: be going skiing during that time, so it'll all be 196 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: a split and we will travel after the holidays as well. 197 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: But the thing of making a long list like that 198 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: is like, oh my gosh, is this going to be overwhelming? 199 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 1: It is not overwhelming because I mapped out like all 200 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: the time between basically November twentieth, which is when a 201 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: lot of these displays go up and January eleventh, which 202 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: is when most of them have come down, and some 203 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: are shorter within that, not everything stays open till the eleventh, 204 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: are opens on the twentieth. But between that overlap, I mean, 205 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: this is almost two months worth of time, So we're 206 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: really only talking like one, maybe two extra activities each 207 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,719 Speaker 1: week until then, and that makes it feel a lot 208 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: more doable when you map it out that way, as 209 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: opposed to be like I got to do all this 210 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: the first week of December, because you will not do 211 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: it all the first week of December. So, Sarah, let's 212 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: talk gifts. Well, I guess we could take a quick 213 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 1: ad break and then we will be back talking gifts 214 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: of this holiday season. Well, we are back talking all 215 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: things the holidays. So, Sarah, you mentioned the gift exchange 216 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: for adults in your extended family for Hanukkah. Now you 217 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: do all eight nights of presence though for the kids, right, 218 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: what's your strategy there? 219 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 2: We do? I mean I usually try to have family 220 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 2: gifts fill in some of those gaps. So if my 221 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 2: parents send something that's a night, if my sister sends 222 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 2: something that's a night, somehow my in laws don't always 223 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 2: end up in that rotation because if the honka party 224 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 2: is not during the eight nights, then it doesn't end 225 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 2: up in there. Doesn't try to during the eight nights. 226 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 2: It's set outside of it. You gotta have something for 227 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 2: every eight night. 228 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 1: I don't know the party. 229 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 2: Well, sometimes the calendar doesn't work out that way because 230 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 2: you know what, we can go there on a weekend, 231 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 2: that would leave one weekend and like, you. 232 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 3: Know, maybe it works and maybe it doesn't, maybe we're 233 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 3: on call. Who knows. 234 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 2: But my kids have made their power points, as we 235 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 2: discussed on a prior episode, and I am going to 236 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 2: do a Google sheet this year for relatives. I made 237 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 2: the mistake of just sending them a list of links 238 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 2: and texting the same list to multiple people and then 239 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 2: with like oopsie, because what happens people buy the same 240 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 2: things for your kid, and then I mean it was 241 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 2: my fault. So fixing that this year where it's a 242 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 2: Google sheet and if you buy it, you fill in 243 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 2: the square and you bought it and now it's gone 244 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 2: or I can delete it, or they can see that 245 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 2: someone else got it. So I mean, I don't want 246 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 2: things to be too transactional. But if my kids are 247 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 2: gonna get gifts, hopefully they'll get things that they're interested in. 248 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 2: So yeah, that's going to be our system for this year. 249 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 2: And I do think we will do a lot of 250 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 2: our We'll make our spreadsheet ourselves in terms of probably 251 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 2: there'll be a tab for like each night and each 252 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 2: kid and what they'll get, and we'll do some of 253 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 2: that shopping over Black Friday. So by the time this airs, 254 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 2: hopefully we have I mean, honestly, Hanaka starts in like 255 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 2: five days from the episode airing today, so hopefully we've 256 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 2: already procured everything. We do not always wrap our gifts, 257 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 2: so that's a step we get to skip. We just 258 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 2: kind of ceremoniously bring it out of the closet in 259 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 2: a box or bag. 260 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:48,439 Speaker 1: Or something like that. 261 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 3: I like it, Yeah, and it works. 262 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: Well, that works. I mean, if you're doing one a night, like, 263 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be in a pile of wrapped things, right, 264 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a. 265 00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 3: I mean some people do or they'll bring out a 266 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 3: round thing every night. I don't know. My husband probably 267 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 3: did grow up with wrapping. 268 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 2: My parents are so pragmatic and there was no wrapping, 269 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 2: but there was still a ton of joy in my gifts. 270 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 3: I mean, there was a picture of. 271 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 2: Me getting this Neon pink and Aqua boom box when 272 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 2: I was about nine, and I'm holding it up and 273 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 2: I remember how excited I was to get that boom box. 274 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 3: I do not think it was wrapped. 275 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 2: It might have been like in a shopping bag in 276 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 2: the box, but like then I pulled it out of 277 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 2: the box and you could see this Panasonic box. I'm like, 278 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 2: it did not take away one iota from the joy. 279 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 2: So I guess I've just carried that lazy tradition forward. 280 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: And do you work to spend like the same amount 281 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: for each kid? 282 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean to the dollar. 283 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 2: No, it's not like we're like, here's your gift card 284 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 2: for the balance, but we definitely try to make it. 285 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 2: We make it like more or less pretty close per kid. 286 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, what about you? 287 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: So I really had a goal this year of making 288 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: more of the holiday list ahead of time, like mid November, 289 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: and you know, sat down and talked with people at 290 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: least got the kids thinking about it, making their lists, 291 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: because the idea was to do this shopping a bit 292 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: more mindfully, like to go into Black Friday sales, for instance, 293 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: with a list of what I intended to purchase for everyone, 294 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,959 Speaker 1: so that if it was a sale, it's legitimately a sale. 295 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: Then right, You're not buying something you didn't intend to 296 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: You are buying something you intended to buy for less 297 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: than you intended to pay, which is the way that 298 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: a sale should be. Yes, and so also just to 299 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: avoid that sort of sense of like I gotta get something, 300 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: I gotta get something, I wanted to do it mindfully, 301 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: So that has been the general thing. It doesn't wind 302 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: up being the same amount for each kid, partly because 303 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: older kids tend to do bigger things or want bigger things, 304 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: whereas Henry, the gifts could be huge, like toys are 305 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: often big, but they don't cost as much. 306 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 2: Right, the problem is that Genevieve has discovered American Girl, 307 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 2: so there goes. 308 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: They do cost a lot. Yes, yes, that is true. 309 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: We went through that phase for a while and those 310 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: were some expensive presents, but an American Girl doll is 311 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: a lot less than an iPhone. 312 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 3: Let's put it there a way, okay, fair. 313 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: We'll probably be doing some trips. My husband often likes 314 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: to get a ski trip with his brother as a 315 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: Christmas present that they can take a ski trip to 316 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: gather somewhere and then I think there might be a 317 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: diving trip involved, but I think he will wind up 318 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: taking two of our children with that. But sort of 319 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: the idea that they can all go dive together would 320 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: be a gift that they might have as well. 321 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 3: Hopefully they're not listening to this. 322 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: I don't think they are. Who wants to listen to 323 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: their mom anymore than they have to Sarah. 324 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 2: It's true some of my children read my blog, but 325 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 2: I don't think any of them listen to my podcasts. 326 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think it's the you know me or 327 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: like YouTube shorts. I think YouTube shorts are going to 328 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: win out on that every single time. But if you're 329 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: making your giftless like things like shopping rapping, if you 330 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: do that, all of this does take time, and so 331 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: one of the best things you can do to make 332 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: the holidays feel less frantic is to understand Santa's elves 333 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: need time in the workshop, and likewise, you need time 334 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: blocked into your schedule for these things. So if you 335 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: are going to be shopping for gifts, I mean obviously 336 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: if you're shopping in person, that is in a calendar 337 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: block of time that has to happen, So where could 338 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: that go? Even if you are shopping online, though it 339 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: can't like all just squeeze into the margins. You probably 340 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: want to be doing it more mindfully, which means you 341 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: have a chunk of time where you're like executing on this, 342 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: this and this gift and making sure that they are coming. 343 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: Rapping obviously is something that can be outsourced if you 344 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: happen to have, for instance, a babysitter or nanny who 345 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't mind coming an hour early, like if they normally 346 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: pick your kids up at school, they want to come 347 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: an hour early and wrap. That is a very easy 348 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: way to get this off your plate. I fit is 349 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 1: not something you particularly enjoy, but just to remember that 350 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: this work does take time and so you can't just 351 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 1: not block it in. Then you're gonna be doing it 352 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: late at night or on weekends when you hope to 353 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: be doing something else. 354 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, the way to make it less stressful is to 355 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,479 Speaker 2: admit that it actually takes time and like schedule it 356 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 2: because doing in the margins it probably not only does 357 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 2: like take the fun away, but it's going to feel 358 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:24,959 Speaker 2: like a burden. 359 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 3: That's the last thing you want. 360 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 361 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: Now, obviously travel can be a component of the holidays. 362 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,479 Speaker 1: Probably if you're traveling somewhere big, you've thought of that 363 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 1: by now, But even if you haven't, there might be 364 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: some day trips you could ponder taking, especially if your 365 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: kids have a particular amount of time off from school, 366 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: which we will get to in a second. But I mean, 367 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: you guys are traveling over the holidays, right, Sarah. 368 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, we almost always travel over at least one of 369 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 2: the week's, usually Christmas week. We do all the things 370 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 2: you're not supposed to do, like travel a few days 371 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 2: before Christmas because it's very popular, and then take connecting 372 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 2: flights and it has backfired. We got stuck last year, 373 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 2: but thankfully on the back end and not on the 374 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 2: way there. And it's such a fun tradition for us 375 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 2: that we just risk it at this point. 376 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, usually you're skiing. Yeah, that's our big Montana trip. 377 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 2: We love it. Yeah. 378 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, they've really made a tradition out of that too, 379 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: And we're going to be doing our big trip sort 380 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: of post Christmas. But I think we're also, as I mentioned, 381 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: going to go into New York. That there'll be a 382 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 1: day trip at least into New York, and then some 383 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: of the other light display things are enough distance away 384 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: that it kind of becomes a day sort of experience. 385 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: If you're driving an hour somewhere and then being there 386 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: for two three hours and coming back, it's much of 387 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 1: a day. So think about where these can go in. 388 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: But the key thing to enjoying your holidays is to 389 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: remember that if you have kids, there's a good chance 390 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: that they are off school for some chunk of time, 391 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: and some chunk of this time happens whether you're celebrating 392 00:18:56,280 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: Christmas or not, it happens after Christmas, and that can 393 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: be a tough week. Right the week between Christmas and 394 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: New Year's they've already gotten their presence. Hopefully they'll play 395 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: with them for a while. 396 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,239 Speaker 2: But yeah, we are definitely going to schedule for some 397 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 2: outings and some social time, because if I just left 398 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 2: that as like, oh, we're all going to relax, or 399 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 2: like my fantasy, oh we're all going to organize the 400 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 2: house like it's just going to be a disaster, and 401 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 2: then we're going to look back and have no memories 402 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 2: except for maybe the kids playing a lot of video games. 403 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 2: And I just I am already thinking I mean, as 404 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 2: we record this episode, we're not even in December yet, 405 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 2: and yet I'm like, what are we doing this day? 406 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 3: What are you doing this day? I'm already starting to 407 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 3: think about it. 408 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 2: So I highly encourage you to really give, especially if 409 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 2: you have younger kids, to like give conscious thought to 410 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 2: those days and maybe consider having an anchor at least 411 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 2: for each one. 412 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, obviously, if you are not off work for 413 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: all of those days, and in many cases it's a 414 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: lot of days, hopefully you have already arranged for your 415 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: childcare for this time. There are definitely sort of holiday 416 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: break camps and a lot of communities there may be 417 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: college students home on vacation, So if you had a 418 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: sitter you loved who went away to school, you might 419 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: want to text that person to see when he or 420 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: she is back for the winter holidays and put them 421 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: to work. Maybe they will be excited about earning a 422 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: little money over this time. But even if you are 423 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 1: off for all this time, you might want to avail 424 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 1: yourself of that opportunity. You can start to feel really 425 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: tired of day after day, especially your place where it's cold, 426 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 1: bad weather. Late December early January, you might want to 427 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 1: buy yourself a day or two off with a holiday 428 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: break camp for your young kids, or a sitter to 429 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: come in and provide some fresh blood, so you can 430 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: go relax and maybe have a sort of peaceful post holiday. 431 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 3: Maybe even leave the house. Ooh, leave the house. I 432 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 3: love that idea. 433 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: Go see the light display that you're child didn't want 434 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 1: to see that, or the intricately decorated dollhouse that you 435 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: don't want to bring your small children anywhere near, for instance, 436 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: That would be a fun post holiday activity for you. 437 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: But regardless of what you do, I think it might 438 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 1: be fun to build in some sort of like little 439 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: me time stuff for you. One idea is like a 440 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 1: holiday exercise streak. And hear me out here, like nobody 441 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: has to do this because exercise itself is an amazing 442 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: thing to do. I mean, we both enjoy exercise. But 443 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: if you tell yourself I'm going to exercise at least 444 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 1: ten minutes every day between Thanksgiving and New Year's or 445 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 1: when you're listening to this now, between early December and 446 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: early January, it kind of forces you to take a 447 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: break each day, take some time for yourself, maybe get outside, 448 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: and especially when it's not great weather, we could need 449 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,919 Speaker 1: a little nudge to do that, but we generally feel 450 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 1: better afterwards, so that might be worth considering, or something 451 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 1: else that you could do to put a little daily 452 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 1: joy right Sarah. 453 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's actually a reminder that I think Caroline Gervaan 454 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 2: is the one that has a special like Christmas Advent 455 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 2: workout series. It might not be called that, but it's 456 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 2: shorter workouts that are designed to be done daily, and 457 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 2: I've actually seen people use them at various times of 458 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 2: the year. 459 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 3: But if you need a little push and you just. 460 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 2: Want something consistent and maybe with a little bit of 461 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 2: a holiday element, that would be one kind of fun 462 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 2: thing to try. And then the nice thing is like, 463 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 2: if you were one of those people who likes to 464 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 2: have a New Year's exercise resolution, you're like already started. 465 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, you test, throw up your resolution. It's great. Well, 466 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: we're gonna take one more quick ad break and then 467 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: we'll move back with a little bit more on celebrating 468 00:22:44,760 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: the holidays. Well, we are back talking this festive time 469 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: of year. Our sort of last strategy for upping the 470 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: fun without the fuss is to think about adding just 471 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: a little ambiance to any given day. And again, people 472 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: of any faith tradition can enjoy sort of lights and 473 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: coziness this time of year, even without any of the 474 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: religious specific elements of any particular holiday. I mean, Sarah, 475 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: you avail yourself of holiday music of different traditions. 476 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 2: I mean, I like Christmas music, so that's a little 477 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 2: bit different, just because, yeah, I grew up with it. 478 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 2: So to me, it's just like seasonal and it feels secular, 479 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 2: even though for others, of course, it has a different meaning. 480 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 3: And that's okay. 481 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,479 Speaker 2: I think we both enjoy it on our own levels. 482 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 2: I love Christmas albums from some of my favorite artists. 483 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 2: I love just the fact that you like bring them 484 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 2: out once a year, right, Like you're not gonna play 485 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 2: Casey Muff's Graves Christmas in July, but to hear it 486 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 2: every December, it's like, oh, I love that shout out. 487 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 2: So yeah, Casey and Amy Man two of my very 488 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 2: favorite Christmas albums out there. Like Holiday Jazz and like 489 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 2: the smells, oh my gosh, the smells are also very 490 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 2: Anyone can enjoy the smells of pine oh my, like 491 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 2: the smells of like the ski slopes, Like that's a 492 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 2: whole other story, Like to breathe in that tree air 493 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 2: is amazing and to really take time to notice these 494 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 2: things that are very seasonal specific. That is like one 495 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 2: of the things I love about, you know, just leaving 496 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 2: the area and seeing something that looks like winter. And 497 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 2: then you can get a little taste of that at 498 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 2: home really cheaply by getting a cute candle or a soap. 499 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, your your shower can smell like Christmas if 500 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: you want it to. It could at any time of year, 501 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: but you might be more inclined to enjoy that during December. 502 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 1: Get out holiday puzzles, for instance. I always make sure 503 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: I get a new holiday puzzle in December, and I 504 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: have ones from years past that I resurrect during this 505 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: time of year. We now have a whole library of 506 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: holiday children's books, so I read those with Henry this 507 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: time of year. And the good thing is there's a 508 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: lot of holiday books out there, so you could just 509 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: go to the library and grab a ton of them, 510 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 1: and some will be duds, but some will be fun, 511 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: and then you can just bring them back a week 512 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: later and go get some more, and you'll have fresh 513 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,439 Speaker 1: reading material that you're probably not reading at other times 514 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: of the year. I would be upset if I had 515 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: to read the Grant Schostel Christmas the whole year, But 516 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 1: if I only have to read it a few times 517 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 1: in December, it keeps a little bit of its magic. 518 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 2: Yes, I mean yearly is a nice interval. And I 519 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 2: think part of the magic of the holidays is that 520 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 2: they're cadence. 521 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that you only do it that's a year, 522 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: and so you don't have to have it all the time. 523 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,719 Speaker 1: Many things in life are good in small doses, and 524 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: that includes celebrating the holidays. All right, So this question 525 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: today's question comes from somebody this is sort of seasonal specific, says, 526 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: my office culture doesn't feature a lot of people leaving 527 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: during the day, but it's dark when I leave now 528 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: at five o'clock, So how can I make sure that 529 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 1: I get outside and see daylight without it becoming a thick? 530 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: Did you want to start, Sarah? 531 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 2: I guess they'll be subversive and just be like, just 532 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 2: because everyone doesn't do it, doesn't mean you're not like 533 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 2: allowed to do it, And I will just give a 534 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 2: plug for the lunchtime walk like, it's clearly not against 535 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 2: the rules. You don't have to work, I mean, unless 536 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 2: you have some kind of shift work job where you 537 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 2: don't have any lunch break. I guess there are some 538 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 2: rules like that, but probably not a lot. In knowledge 539 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 2: work sectors, you're allowed to take a lunch break and 540 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 2: nothing says you can't take it outside. Your attire is 541 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 2: going to matter, so maybe you have a pair of 542 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 2: like slip on clogs or something that you throw on 543 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 2: that are more comfortable to walk outside. But even just 544 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,439 Speaker 2: a couple of laps around the block. I mean, if 545 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 2: it's chilly, you're not going to want to be out 546 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 2: there for that long. But for me, I even do 547 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 2: it in August, which is like the same as your winter. 548 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 3: It's like disgusting. But to leave my office for. 549 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 2: A minute and be out in the world and like 550 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 2: move around is so healing to me. And it can 551 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 2: be just fifteen minutes which no one even notices, Like 552 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 2: I walk out and I walk in, and I think 553 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 2: people think I just like went to the bathroom or something, 554 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 2: and yet for me it feels meaningful. So I guess 555 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 2: that my first tip would just be like, just because 556 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 2: everyone isn't doing it, doesn't mean it's not okay. 557 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think there are certain workplaces where 558 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 1: there are things like security protocols or you know, if 559 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 1: you're at a high rise where it's like a two elevator 560 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: process to get out of the building, the transaction costs 561 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 1: are high, and I totally get that. So, I mean, 562 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: one thing we often talk about is things don't have 563 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,199 Speaker 1: to be daily. So even if you are in a 564 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: place with like security protocols or cleaning protocols or something 565 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: going in and out of the facility, possibly you could 566 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: get your head around doing it once a week, like 567 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: a lunch with colleagues. Right, that's a good thing to 568 00:27:54,840 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 1: propose for because it seems like it's collegial as well building, 569 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: it's morale building, and so people might be willing to 570 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 1: get their heads around the idea of going through this 571 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: process once a week. And you know that's again it's 572 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: not nothing. It's like once a week that you're getting 573 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: out and seeing the light during the day. There are 574 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: also sort of sanctioned reasons that people might come in late. 575 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 1: For instance, you might want to put your doctor and 576 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: dentist appointments during the dark days of winter, where you 577 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,880 Speaker 1: will come into work at ten o'clock instead of eight 578 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: thirty because you had your doctor or dentist appointment, and 579 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: if that is a sanctioned reason to come in late 580 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: in your particular place, then you might take your advantage 581 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: of that if you have any sort of like if 582 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: you are in a secure facility or anything like that, 583 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: if there is some sort of interior space, right, like 584 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: get yourself out in the courtyard, like you can go 585 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: walk around there, you can go eat your lunch out there, 586 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: even if you're not going outside the perimeter. And same 587 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: with like the elevator thing. Get your head around the 588 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: idea that you are going to look for external events 589 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 1: that you're going to be required to leave your building 590 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: during the day to go to, Like you know you're 591 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: going to go to the recruiting event that's a lunch somewhere. 592 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: Volunteer for that as a way to get yourself off. 593 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: And you might also like use the morning that even 594 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: if it's dark at four thirty where you are, the 595 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: whole thing with that is that it often is light 596 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: at six thirty, and so if your work hours are 597 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: nine to five, get yourself up and out at six 598 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: thirty in the morning, like be outside from six thirty 599 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: to seven thirty. Then do like the getting ready and 600 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: getting the commute to work if that is at all possible, 601 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: or even if you need to trade off with a 602 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: partner to make that happen. But to get yourself outside 603 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: during those windows. Now, obviously if you are just in 604 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: a normal office where people don't leave, it's not that 605 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: you have to go down three elevators or you have 606 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: to go through hasmat security process to get in and 607 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: good lord, just leave. You could do it. I have 608 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: faith in you. 609 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 2: People also mentioned at best day of plans live walking 610 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 2: meetings and people you know in leadership and you know, 611 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 2: if you're high enough up you can like start the 612 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 2: cult even if it's not there, you can start a trend. 613 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 3: People may copy that below you. 614 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, so any look at your calendar. We 615 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,959 Speaker 1: had somebody do this. When you do your weekly planning, 616 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: like Friday, you're looking at the upcoming weekend. Look at 617 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: your calendar. See are there any meetings where it makes 618 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: sense to turn this into a walking meeting? Maybe it's 619 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: a close colleague, so somebody who wouldn't be like, what 620 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: on earth are you talking about? Like if you suggest 621 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: doing it as a walking meeting, and particularly if it's 622 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: just two of you, right, like and it's a topic 623 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: that you're reasonably familiar with, Like you're not going to 624 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: be needing to look at resource material the whole time 625 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: while you're doing But then give the person a heads 626 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: up because you're going to want them to bring their 627 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: coat and their shoes, for instance, if you're in a 628 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: place where that is going to be required for any 629 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: sort of outdoor walking meeting. But even just a couple 630 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: of week of those like mass change the amount of 631 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: daylight you are seeing in these dark months, and that 632 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: can be a big win, all right, Sarah Love of 633 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: the Week. 634 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 3: I gotta give a little shout out. 635 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 2: I don't like pumpkin spice lattes, but every year I 636 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 2: do get a gingerbread latte and those are pretty good. 637 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: I guessing it's pretty similar concept. 638 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 3: It has a tiny bit more of a ginger taste, does. 639 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: The same cinnamony kind of thing, you know. 640 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 3: It's like I've never tried that. 641 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 2: I like the taste of eggnog, but somehow like I've 642 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 2: never moved to order the eggnog latta, but maybe one 643 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 2: year I will try that one as well. 644 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: And are you into like peppermint lattes or is that. 645 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 3: Nothing I don't like? 646 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 2: No peppermint mocha, Like, I don't want mint in my coffee, 647 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 2: but I know a lot of people love that, so yeah, 648 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 2: you do you Yeah. 649 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: I generally just drink my coffee blacks, so none of 650 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: those comes same. 651 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 3: This is like a treat, a special treat. 652 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: Gotcha, gotcha. Yeah, But there's many creamy flavors to avail 653 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: yourself seasonally. It could be a way to celebrate the season. 654 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say singing Christmas carols is my love 655 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: of the week. And particularly when you sing these two 656 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: perform them, you wind up learning the extra verses that 657 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 1: you wouldn't learn if you were just randomly singing them 658 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: or listening to them. And so even like well known 659 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: ones have some interesting stuff. And I was surprised to 660 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: learn I have never liked the carol Oh Holy Night. 661 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: People may recognize it as being one of the schmaltziest 662 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: Christmas carols out there. It is often like butchered by 663 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: singers who are belting out the high notes on Oh 664 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: Holy Night, because it goes very, very high. It's got 665 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: a huge range in terms of more than an octave 666 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: and a half. It's high right. However, I got to 667 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: learn the third verse, and I realized it is incredibly subversive. 668 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: This carol was written in eighteen fifty roughly, and the 669 00:32:55,800 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: third verse was actually an abolitionist verse, isn't that's interesting? Yeah? 670 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 2: And yeah does not go with the vibe I mean no, 671 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 2: the song does have like a it's in my head now, 672 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 2: you know, like I could hear it as like a 673 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 2: protest song, like the high part and yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, 674 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 2: it's a new angle. 675 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: So you could check out the lyrics of the third verse, 676 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: and maybe there are different orderings of verses, but I 677 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: was I was very surprised to you know, have the 678 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: thinking about breaking chains and other such things that were 679 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: that was in there. So you know, you always learn 680 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: something new every holiday season, and that people decided to 681 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: put that out there. Anyway, Well, this has been best 682 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 1: of both worlds, and we have been talking all things 683 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: holidays with one more quick plug for pre ordering Best 684 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: Laid Plans, Sarah's book that is going to be out 685 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: next week and we'll be talking more about it next week. 686 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 1: But you want to make sure you get yourself your 687 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: pre order bonuses. So if you're listening to this before 688 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 1: December sixteen, make sure you go to the shoe Box 689 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: that's th h E s h U b o x 690 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: dot com. Slash pre orders and get those for yourself, right, Sarah, Ah, 691 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: thank you so much. Yeah, well, we're all very excited 692 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: about it, so makes a good Christmas gift for yourself, 693 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: for Hanukah gift for yourself. We will be back next 694 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: week with more on making work and life fit together. 695 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 3: Thanks for listening. 696 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 2: You can find me Sarah at the shoebox dot com 697 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,240 Speaker 2: or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, and you can. 698 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,359 Speaker 1: Find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This has 699 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join us 700 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: next time for more on making work and life work together.