Speaker 1: Smell us.
Speaker 2: Now, welcome to Meet Eater Trivia podcast.
Speaker 3: Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. It's eleven am Mountain Time.
Speaker 3: That's noon o'clock for our friends in Forest City, Iowa
Speaker 3: on Thursday, April third, and we'd live for Meet Eater
Speaker 3: HQ and BOS of Montana. I'm your host, Spencer Newarth,
Speaker 3: joined today by Jannis Putellis and Seth Morris. On today's show,
Speaker 3: we'll interview Justin Everettson about the new world record cottonwood tree,
Speaker 3: followed by one minute fishing with our friends at Trout Unlimited.
Speaker 3: After that we'll find out how much Giannis and Seth
Speaker 3: know about their fellow outdoorsman with a game of meat poll.
Speaker 3: And finally we'll talk to Jim Heffelfinger about the addition
Speaker 3: of a new species to the Boone and Crockett record books.
Speaker 3: Now I shouted out Forest City, Iowa. There that's where
Speaker 3: I went on my bachelor party. Back in the day,
Speaker 3: they had a music festival. I think it still goes on.
Speaker 3: It's like a three day music festival. That's what I
Speaker 3: did for my bachelor party.
Speaker 1: What kind of music?
Speaker 3: It's primarily country, so like the headliners when I went
Speaker 3: Alan Jackson, Big and Rich Thomas Rhett one of the
Speaker 3: surprising bands there. Phil You'll like this. I think was
Speaker 3: lit because it was right around when they decided to
Speaker 3: drop a country album. They were one hit pop punk
Speaker 3: wonder from the nineties, and then I don't know, like
Speaker 3: ten years ago, they're like, hey, maybe we'd try country music.
Speaker 1: Was it good?
Speaker 3: Was there country music?
Speaker 1: Good country album?
Speaker 3: No? So like at a music festival there'll be like
Speaker 3: an A stage, B stage of C stage. They didn't
Speaker 3: get on the B stage. I think they were a
Speaker 3: C stage act. Gotcha, Yeah, Jehanny, what did you do
Speaker 3: for your was that seventeen twenty seventeen? I think, yeah,
Speaker 3: what did you do for your bachelor party?
Speaker 1: What party was in two thousand? We?
Speaker 2: Uh, we had some troubles with the bachelor party. Not
Speaker 2: the kind of troubles you're thinking about and see where
Speaker 2: you're going. I wasn't really going to go conventional bachelor party.
Speaker 3: But what would be conventional?
Speaker 2: Well, these days it seems like you go to Nashville
Speaker 2: and walk around and get drunk and you know, see
Speaker 2: some hear some music, eat some barbecue, and I don't know,
Speaker 2: you know, you probably hit on gals you could be
Speaker 2: not supposed to be, that's my guess.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: We we got married at my wife's parents' house, which
Speaker 2: is in Morehead City, North Carolina, and great fishing there,
Speaker 2: and so we thought we would go fishing, and so
Speaker 2: we uh sort of got a you know, a little
Speaker 2: poll about who wanted to go. I think we had
Speaker 2: two or three boats booked. I want to say the
Speaker 2: one boat was Miss Stacy.
Speaker 3: Is that a boat I should know about?
Speaker 1: No, No, I just.
Speaker 2: Want to give those guys a shout out if they're
Speaker 2: still if there's still, you know, twenty some years later.
Speaker 2: But the day we were gonna do it, we get
Speaker 2: a call from the captain and he's like, man, I
Speaker 2: don't do this often, but unless you guys are some
Speaker 2: just seagoing mariners sons of bitches, you guys don't want
Speaker 2: to go today.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be rough. And we're like, you're right, I like,
Speaker 1: I like, the only person to pib be fine would
Speaker 1: be my wife.
Speaker 2: That was another way we weren't going to go traditional
Speaker 2: is it was going to be just like a group
Speaker 2: kind of a party thing, you know. And so I
Speaker 2: had cousins, friends, a lot of people in town, and uh,
Speaker 2: he's like, all right, good call. I'm like, well, let's
Speaker 2: try to do it afterwards in a couple of days
Speaker 2: after the wedding, excuse me. And sure enough, that night
Speaker 2: that we canceled, we end up at a bar doing
Speaker 2: some traditional okay type stuff. It's just a bunch of
Speaker 2: people hanging out, playing pool and drinking and uh. We
Speaker 2: run into a mate that was gonna be on one
Speaker 2: of those charter boats and he's like, man, everybody canceled,
Speaker 2: but me and a couple of the captains went out.
Speaker 1: Holy shit, we crushed them.
Speaker 2: Of course, you know. He's like, he's like, man, it
Speaker 2: was so bad. He's like, almost got sick crush. What
Speaker 2: mostly dolphin?
Speaker 5: Is that?
Speaker 1: If I remember, I don't know what else they caused?
Speaker 1: Mostly dolphin.
Speaker 2: But we had a smaller group, just one boat go
Speaker 2: out on the misstacy, like two or three days after
Speaker 2: the wedding, people that were still in town. And we
Speaker 2: did pretty good too, you know, enough to have you know,
Speaker 2: everybody went home with a small cooler full of dolphin.
Speaker 3: Seth, what'd you do on your bachelor party?
Speaker 1: I didn't really have a bachelor party.
Speaker 3: Well, there was like a kind of a low key
Speaker 3: party in your house.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was. There was.
Speaker 3: It was like a yeah chess he was making beer,
Speaker 3: brought Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: Just like a little get together in the evening. I
Speaker 1: don't even remember exactly when it was, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: like some like, you know, monumental bachelor party.
Speaker 3: I remember standing around your Walleye boat a lot though. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we should throw you a bachelor party. I'm down, man, Phil.
Speaker 3: What did you do for your bachelor party?
Speaker 1: Absolutely nothing?
Speaker 3: Well, okay, we got two bachelors. You boys. Come up
Speaker 3: with a squad theme for your the Seth and Phil
Speaker 3: bachelor party.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would love to see where that ven diagram crosses.
Speaker 1: I'll go to a tiki bar, Phil.
Speaker 3: Yeah, whileye fishing by day, tiki barring by way.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a pretty fun day. Sounds like a
Speaker 1: country song.
Speaker 3: A bad one, like an Alan Jackson country song. Him
Speaker 3: and Jimmy, Jimmy.
Speaker 2: It just depends on who writes it, you know. Maybe
Speaker 2: throw that Brown band they like that genre, Throw that
Speaker 2: bone to the Isabel Brothers.
Speaker 1: They might be made.
Speaker 3: Seth, you just got home from right you were in
Speaker 3: Florida and Texas. Florida and Texas, I mean Turkey's died
Speaker 3: on those trips.
Speaker 1: Two in Florida, me and my wife, and then uh
Speaker 1: three died in Texas. Steve got two and uh we're
Speaker 1: down there with Luke Combs and Ego one.
Speaker 3: So you pulled the true bigger once. I pulled the
Speaker 3: trigger once.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: How was Florida? What were you hunting? Easterns or Osciola Oola?
Speaker 1: Yep, Florida was amazing. We got an invite from a
Speaker 1: guy that commissioned Kelsey to do some artwork for him
Speaker 1: back in the day, and uh, he's been inviting us
Speaker 1: to go down there for years and we finally took
Speaker 1: him up on the offer.
Speaker 3: What kind of artwork?
Speaker 1: Uh, just uh dog portraits. So yeah, we went down
Speaker 1: there and he's part owner of this like awesome hunting
Speaker 1: club and the the property is just like totally set
Speaker 1: up for epic hunting and full of turkeys. And yeah,
Speaker 1: we we ended up Kelsey end up missing a turkey
Speaker 1: on the first morning, and then that that evening, Uh
Speaker 1: called two in and we.
Speaker 3: Doubled up first Acola for you.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: How did that compare to the rest of the subspecies
Speaker 3: that you've killed?
Speaker 1: Well, they don't gobble much. They got a lot on
Speaker 1: the trick on the limb, but they fly down and
Speaker 1: shut up, and that was It's like not my favorite
Speaker 1: style of turkey hunting where you just got to sit
Speaker 1: there forever and wait for him, but still super cool.
Speaker 3: Like are they notorious for long spurs?
Speaker 1: You sent them?
Speaker 3: And did you like take notice of that or did
Speaker 3: you look like any other birds?
Speaker 1: Kelsey's were inch and a half, oh man, and mine
Speaker 1: were inch in a quarter and razors too, Yeah, razor sharp.
Speaker 1: They'll mess you up if you're not care if.
Speaker 3: They were big.
Speaker 1: They're super cool birds. Yeah, and just how much though
Speaker 1: they're kind of screw Mine was seventeen, Kelsey's was twenty one.
Speaker 3: Twenty one, that's a half. It's like a corn fed turkey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a big one. I was surprised.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, but have you cooked anything yet with these
Speaker 3: Aussie older birds any different?
Speaker 1: We did some schnitzel two nights ago, but no, it
Speaker 1: was just like normal schnitzel.
Speaker 3: Okay, seth on the board first. Then I think you
Speaker 3: probably killed the turkey before Yanni this year, right, maybe
Speaker 3: the first in the crew.
Speaker 1: It might be maybe day was it? Uh that get
Speaker 1: to square it away. Let's see mark the title at
Speaker 1: stake here. Uh, what it was like two weeks ago?
Speaker 3: Two weeks ago. That was way before Johanni, No, it.
Speaker 1: Was before you went to I think it was before
Speaker 1: you went to Texas. I killed mine on the fifteenth
Speaker 1: of March.
Speaker 3: Oh, we'll do some date check.
Speaker 1: Oh you know what, you might be earlier than us,
Speaker 1: because I think we were seventeenth through the twenty. First,
Speaker 1: all right, you're rooting for Soeth.
Speaker 3: I was rooting for Seth. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sorry, Seth's Spencer.
Speaker 3: All right, let's get on with the show. Joining us
Speaker 3: on the line first is Justin Everettson, the green infrastructure
Speaker 3: coordinator from the University of Nebraska. He's here to talk
Speaker 3: about the new world record cottonwood that hails from the
Speaker 3: Cornhusker state. Justin, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 7: Yeah, hi guys, thanks for having me.
Speaker 3: First thing, tell us about Nebraska's relationship with cottonwood trees.
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, you can probably imagine Nebraska doesn't have a
Speaker 7: lot of trees, or it didn't that settlement, about three
Speaker 7: percent forested, were mostly a prairie state, but the cottonwood
Speaker 7: was a prominent tree growing across Nebraska even at the
Speaker 7: time of settlement. It was a tree that would grow
Speaker 7: anywhere there was a little moisture, especially on streams or
Speaker 7: low wet areas, and it was highly revered by both
Speaker 7: the native populations out here and the early pioneers. So
Speaker 7: it was kind of Nebraska's favorite or most common tree.
Speaker 7: Since the time of settlement. That's changed quite a bit
Speaker 7: with the advent of agriculture out here, and we don't
Speaker 7: see as many cottonwoods as we used to have, but
Speaker 7: it is our state tree. It's the state tree of Nebraska,
Speaker 7: I think also Kansas and Wyoming. And part of that
Speaker 7: has to do with the fact that we lost a
Speaker 7: lot of our American elm trees which used to be
Speaker 7: our state tree, that was from a disease in the
Speaker 7: sixties and seventies, so we just said, hey, how about
Speaker 7: our good old native cottonwood.
Speaker 3: I like it. Now. This year it was announced that
Speaker 3: a cottonwood there is the new national Champion Tree. How
Speaker 3: did that come to be? And who keeps track of
Speaker 3: these records?
Speaker 7: Yeah? Well, I don't want to speak for every state,
Speaker 7: but most states have a Champion Tree program, and here
Speaker 7: in Nebraskas with the Nebraska Forest Service, and I've been
Speaker 7: assigned to it here for the last several years. So
Speaker 7: we try to get out and document the biggest major
Speaker 7: trees in our state, for our most prominent trees. And
Speaker 7: you'd be surprised, even here in Nebraska, where we were
Speaker 7: pretty much treeless, we can grow pretty big trees out
Speaker 7: here and also on the Great Plains. So we try
Speaker 7: to keep track of our champion trees, the most common ones.
Speaker 7: And then there's a national Champion Tree program too, and
Speaker 7: anybody could look that up, the National Register of Big Trees,
Speaker 7: And we tried to align our standards with those standards
Speaker 7: because for about the last twenty five or thirty years,
Speaker 7: the largest cottonwood, eastern cottonwood, has been measured or found
Speaker 7: in Nebraska, so we want to align ourselves with those standards.
Speaker 7: This particular tree actually grows up near Ericson in our
Speaker 7: sand Hills region north of Lincoln and Grand Island, So
Speaker 7: you wouldn't think you'd have a big tree out there,
Speaker 7: but the cottonwood loves wet ground even in the sand Hills,
Speaker 7: and survey crew out there doing some survey work for
Speaker 7: the local conservation Lake area nearby happened upon this tree
Speaker 7: and they said, hey, let's let the Nebraska for Service
Speaker 7: know about it. They did, We went out and confirmed
Speaker 7: the measurement, and then we submitted it to the National
Speaker 7: Champion Tree program and it became Kosher as the National
Speaker 7: Champion Tree just this last summer.
Speaker 3: And tell us about the measurements that this tree has
Speaker 3: and the scoring system that you put together for these trees.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you bet that picture you see right there. The
Speaker 7: guy who happened upon the tree is made during it,
Speaker 7: Dana General, and he's measuring it. And it turned out
Speaker 7: to be thirty seven point two feet in circumference. So
Speaker 7: if you can imagine, that would probably be six or
Speaker 7: seven of us big guys trying to hold hands to
Speaker 7: get around that tree. That's how big the trunk is.
Speaker 7: It's not super tall. It's only eighty five feet tall.
Speaker 7: Cottonwoods out here don't get super tall when they grow
Speaker 7: in the open, you know, because they can get wide spreading.
Speaker 7: But the tree does reach out about one hundred and
Speaker 7: twenty feet or so. The tree was nominated at just
Speaker 7: the right time because our former national champion and state
Speaker 7: champion was dethroned. Because we had to remeasure it to
Speaker 7: keep in line with the national standards, and so we
Speaker 7: were looking for a new tree. This came along at
Speaker 7: the right time.
Speaker 3: And you can see the pictures of this tree on
Speaker 3: our YouTube channel right now if you go watch this episode. Now.
Speaker 3: Has this tree been on people's radar as a potential
Speaker 3: national champion?
Speaker 7: No, we were all surprised that it was out there.
Speaker 7: It's interesting when you see these trees from a distance,
Speaker 7: they're not very impressive, these cottonwoods that grow across Nebraska.
Speaker 7: There's probably ten or fifteen in our database that are
Speaker 7: over thirty feet in circumference, and you don't really notice
Speaker 7: them from a difference. But when you get up close
Speaker 7: to them, maybe one hundred yards away or so, you go, oh,
Speaker 7: that's a big tree. And that's kind of what happened here.
Speaker 7: They were on the side of the lake that doesn't
Speaker 7: get a lot of foot traffic, so it had escaped
Speaker 7: notice for a lot of years. And to be quite
Speaker 7: honest with you, I'm a big tree hunter. I'm not
Speaker 7: a game I'm a big tree hunter. And we don't
Speaker 7: even see the biggest of our trees as often as
Speaker 7: you might think.
Speaker 3: So how old do you think this tree is?
Speaker 7: Yeah, cottonwoods grow fast here, so they're not nearly as
Speaker 7: old as we might think they are. For as big
Speaker 7: as they are, we would guess. We guessed on this
Speaker 7: tree maybe one hundred and twenty years old or so,
Speaker 7: going back to historical photographs of the adjacent lakes. So
Speaker 7: they grow fast and then they kind of die young. Now,
Speaker 7: one hundred and twenty years is a good age, isn't it.
Speaker 7: But compared to an oak that size, an oak that
Speaker 7: size would be five to six hundred years old.
Speaker 3: My goodness. Now, what is it about that tree's home
Speaker 3: that allowed it to grow to such enormous proportions.
Speaker 7: Yeah, cottonwood's like a wet spot. And this particular spot
Speaker 7: is a former creek side a natural stream flow through
Speaker 7: the sand hills, and then they converted part of that
Speaker 7: area to a lake about one hundred years ago, and
Speaker 7: that cottonwood was just in the right spot to stay
Speaker 7: with a moist root zone all its life to this point.
Speaker 7: Plus there's not a lot of activity around it. They
Speaker 7: don't farm right up to it, people don't drive over
Speaker 7: the root system or anything like that. So it's been
Speaker 7: able to just kind of do its own thing for
Speaker 7: over one hundred years now, which is really what we need.
Speaker 7: One issue we're running into Nebraska. With our agriculture the
Speaker 7: way we do agriculture now, there is so big equipment
Speaker 7: and we use a lot of herbicides. It is impacting
Speaker 7: a lot of our native trees and this tree, thankfully
Speaker 7: doesn't have a lot of that agriculture happening right around it.
Speaker 2: Hey, justin this is the honest here. I would think
Speaker 2: that the number one threat to a tree like that
Speaker 2: would be a beaver. Yeah, yeah, I mean, just you know,
Speaker 2: I floated by thousands of cottonwoods in my days as
Speaker 2: a fly fishing god in Colorado, and it seemed like
Speaker 2: the number one thing that would take down some of
Speaker 2: these giants would be a beaver. But I guess that, like,
Speaker 2: are there near beavers nearby? Is that something that you
Speaker 2: guys would worry about and maybe protect that tree from
Speaker 2: if they were, if they were found in the area.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a really good point, to be quite honest
Speaker 7: with you. We don't see the beaver. This tree got
Speaker 7: big enough that it must have escaped the beavers. But
Speaker 7: we see beavers chewing on trees right around it, and
Speaker 7: so this tree must be big enough that they don't
Speaker 7: want to try to tackle it. But boy, do we
Speaker 7: see beaver damage on our young trees, especially cottonwoods and
Speaker 7: willows and anything that grows across the creek. I was
Speaker 7: just out creaking the other day, and while the beavers
Speaker 7: can do quick damage on things. So if any of
Speaker 7: you are looking for a beaver hunt, come on out
Speaker 7: and help us.
Speaker 4: I guess.
Speaker 1: Justin Seth here, what about lightning strikes? Has that tree
Speaker 1: ever been struck by lightning? Is there any signs of that?
Speaker 7: Or yeah, thankfully no, we couldn't see anything in it.
Speaker 7: The trees that get big out here on the plains, right,
Speaker 7: they are a lightning rod. Yeah, you know, so there's
Speaker 7: a lot that has to happen right in this tree's life,
Speaker 7: escaping predation and lightning and all of that to survive
Speaker 7: to this point. But you'd be surprised. These big old
Speaker 7: cottonwoods are all over the plains Kansas and Nebraska, South Dakota,
Speaker 7: even out in your part of the world. They transition
Speaker 7: into a sub species called the we have the Eastern cottonwood.
Speaker 7: The subspecies is the plains cottonwoods out in Wyoming and Montana,
Speaker 7: and I think that subspecies national champion is actually out
Speaker 7: in Montana somewhere just about as big as this tree.
Speaker 7: So it's just neat to see that across the plains,
Speaker 7: these cottonwoods can grow big and old, and boy, the
Speaker 7: Native Americans revered them as the tree of life. They
Speaker 7: used them in most of their sundance ceremonies. Another fun
Speaker 7: fact is that bees are native bees, and our honey
Speaker 7: bees used the resin of the buds of these trees
Speaker 7: or this time of year, they're gathering it to build
Speaker 7: their hives and they have antimicrobial possibilities there and so
Speaker 7: that's kind of a main ingredient in the balm of Gilead,
Speaker 7: and early settlers used that as kind of a antimicrobial
Speaker 7: salve for different things. So, yeah, the cottonwood, Wow, it's
Speaker 7: a tree of the plains and we're happy it's out here.
Speaker 3: So at this age and size, what kind of threats
Speaker 3: exist for that tree?
Speaker 7: Yeah, you've named them there for sure that I would
Speaker 7: say lightning. Yeah, here's another sad fact of the big
Speaker 7: trees here in Nebraska our Champion Tree program. Once a
Speaker 7: big tree gets to that status, it's life maybe about
Speaker 7: up because when they get that big, you know, they're
Speaker 7: running out of steam. A lot of times, especially at cottonwood,
Speaker 7: they grow fast and they kind of die young. But
Speaker 7: if we maybe squeak out another thirty years on this tree,
Speaker 7: that would be pretty good. The second biggest cottonwood we
Speaker 7: had growing in Nebraska did suffer from both wind damage
Speaker 7: and a lightning strike a few years ago and now
Speaker 7: it is gone. So yep, maybe we shouldn't designate it
Speaker 7: as a champion. It might be due for succumbing one
Speaker 7: of these days.
Speaker 3: If someone thinks they know about a bigger cottonwood or
Speaker 3: any tree that's of record book proportions, what should they do.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it depends on the state you're in. Most states
Speaker 7: do have a Champion Tree program and they're happy to
Speaker 7: and it's often with the state Forest agency or their
Speaker 7: university system. So you can that's where I would start. Now,
Speaker 7: you can take that tree to the National Champion Tree Registered.
Speaker 7: They have a portal that you can log in as
Speaker 7: a visitor and nominated. Anybody can do that nominated tree.
Speaker 7: So that's the I don't have the website, but it's
Speaker 7: the National Champion Tree Program. Log in there and you'll
Speaker 7: find it. Poke around in their people too. You'll be
Speaker 7: amazed at some of the grand and fantastic trees that
Speaker 7: grow across this country. One of the most spectacular trees
Speaker 7: is actually the Rio Grand Cottonwood. I think the National
Speaker 7: Champion is down in Arizona. You wouldn't believe how big
Speaker 7: around that thing is. So it's fun to just get
Speaker 7: out and see these trees.
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Justin. Congrats on the National Champion tree.
Speaker 3: Nebraska should be proud.
Speaker 7: Yeah, thanks, guys. I really appreciate the time today.
Speaker 3: Have a good one.
Speaker 2: Thanks Justin. Hey, that was a good one, Spencer. How'd
Speaker 2: you find die Justin?
Speaker 1: I enjoyed that.
Speaker 3: When I saw the news of Nebraska dethroning. I don't
Speaker 3: remember what the last day was Wyoming. Maybe he might
Speaker 3: have said it. It was so they found this tree
Speaker 3: in the summer. It was measured late summer, and then
Speaker 3: I think again measured earlier this year. So it was
Speaker 3: confirmed in March that that was the new National Champion tree.
Speaker 3: When I saw that, I thought, we have to have
Speaker 3: somebody on the show to talk about that, because I
Speaker 3: didn't know that record books existed just for trees. And
Speaker 3: it makes me really interested in that whole world.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like you couldn't really get me to go
Speaker 2: look at big rocks with you, But if you're like, hey, Annie,
Speaker 2: let's go look at a giant oak tree that I
Speaker 2: know about, I would go for sure. It reminds me
Speaker 2: in Latvia. There was a book at this apartment that
Speaker 2: we were staying at called like Latvia's one hundred Dish
Speaker 2: was wls is what they call it. Dish means like
Speaker 2: mighty was Walz's. Oh, And so it was like Latvia
Speaker 2: as a hundred biggest oaks the country is only the
Speaker 2: size of West Virginia, so it's not a giant place,
Speaker 2: but it had literally coordinates and directions to get to
Speaker 2: like the one hundred biggest, coolest oaks across the country.
Speaker 2: A lot of them are on public or on private land.
Speaker 2: But I guess they don't quote me on this, but
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that you can, you know, go knock
Speaker 2: on a door and say, hey, can I go, you know,
Speaker 2: check out the tree because a lot of those big giants. Yeah,
Speaker 2: even way back in the day, they were revered and
Speaker 2: so they were capped not cut down, and they've you know,
Speaker 2: only gotten bigger.
Speaker 1: So it's pretty cool. The stat I would love to
Speaker 1: know is how many turkeys roosted in that tree over
Speaker 1: its lifespan?
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred and twenty five years. That thing was
Speaker 3: born in nineteen hundred. Then the tree seen everything there
Speaker 3: something special too when you see a big old tree,
Speaker 3: and I think cottonwood specifically to outdoorsmen from like our
Speaker 3: part of the world, Michigan, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, it's like
Speaker 3: kind of the tree that you associate a lot of
Speaker 3: time spent outdoors with.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So good for Nebraska. Happy they got the record, all right?
Speaker 3: Moving on, our next segment is One Minute Fishing Life.
Speaker 1: Feel lucky?
Speaker 4: Will do you bunk? Go ahead, make my cast.
Speaker 3: One Minute Fishing is where we go live to someone
Speaker 3: who's fishing and they have one minute to catch a fish.
Speaker 3: If they're successful, we'll make a five hundred dollars donation
Speaker 3: to a conservation group and for the whole month of April,
Speaker 3: our friends at Trot Unlimited or joining us for one
Speaker 3: Minute Fishing. This week, our angler is Tyler Coleman, the
Speaker 3: Lower Bear River Project manager at TU. Today he's on
Speaker 3: the Bear River basin in Utah and fishing for a
Speaker 3: donation to Trout Unlimited. Tyler, welcome to the show.
Speaker 8: Thanks thanks for trapping us on, and thank you for
Speaker 8: doing this for Trout Unlimited. It's awesome to even raise
Speaker 8: awareness if we don't catch fish. Really appreciate you guys
Speaker 8: doing this.
Speaker 3: We're excited a lot of pressure on you, Tyler as
Speaker 3: the first TU guest of the month. Now we ask
Speaker 3: Trout Unlimited to highlight some important one sheds across the
Speaker 3: country for this segment. So first thing tell us about
Speaker 3: the Bear River base and its greatest threats.
Speaker 8: So a lot of our work focuses on habitat fragmentation
Speaker 8: having service. To do this, I had to do something
Speaker 8: in town. It's a good example. You can see right
Speaker 8: behind me that the hydro station. A lot of our issues.
Speaker 8: We have migratory cutthroat trout and these fish need to
Speaker 8: move from downstream up into the headwaters a spawn. So
Speaker 8: our job at TU is primarily focused on reconnecting those
Speaker 8: tributary streams and areas that those fish can migrate.
Speaker 3: And what are some things that TU has done to
Speaker 3: help this.
Speaker 8: Fishery specifically here we've done we created actually barriers on
Speaker 8: one of the streams with partners to provide habitat for
Speaker 8: just cutthroat trout. They removed all the non native fish
Speaker 8: and then put cutthroat back in above the barriers, and
Speaker 8: now that population can have an area where it's only
Speaker 8: cut throat and they can migrate downstream and kind of
Speaker 8: be a horse population for the mainsteam Logan River in.
Speaker 7: The area and the Bear River.
Speaker 8: We've done a lot of diversion, dam replacements and screening
Speaker 8: to project fish from going one way down the canals
Speaker 8: and ended up in a ditch somewhere. And we've done
Speaker 8: some barrier removals, dam removals, fish ladders, a whole lot
Speaker 8: of just reconnecting the streams from the tributaries to the
Speaker 8: main stem.
Speaker 3: Good on to you. Now, let's talk about the fishing.
Speaker 3: What are you targeting today and how are you doing it?
Speaker 8: So, going back to the connectivity issue is there's no
Speaker 8: cutthroat trout that you're really gonna find out here. I
Speaker 8: used to guide this exact same spot years ago, and
Speaker 8: I've only caught one cutthroat trout over the four years
Speaker 8: that i'd bring people here to fish. We've got non
Speaker 8: native fish such as stock, rainbow trout, brown trout, and
Speaker 8: there are the native Mountain whitefish that you find in here.
Speaker 8: What I'm targeting today is anything that will eat this
Speaker 8: fly and get to you five hundred bucks.
Speaker 3: Okay, we like that, Tyler. Is there any competition on
Speaker 3: the river today? Are you the only one there?
Speaker 8: There's two guys right there spin fishing, and there's a
Speaker 8: couple of people fly fishing downstream. So I got to
Speaker 8: a spot to hold it. Didn't think I would need
Speaker 8: to on a day like this, but the sunshiny midges
Speaker 8: are popping off. So we got got one rainbow in
Speaker 8: the under my belt right before we answered the call.
Speaker 1: Just check it. Wait there, we'll see what we can find.
Speaker 3: Another one rainbow? And how many casts was it to
Speaker 3: get that one rainbow?
Speaker 4: Too many?
Speaker 3: Too many? So you're not optimistic about catching a fish
Speaker 3: in one minute, then, is that what you're saying.
Speaker 8: I'm always optimistic.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, well, Tyler, you're one minute of fishing starts
Speaker 3: as soon as you make that first cast. Go at
Speaker 3: it all right, let me get out there. Tyler is
Speaker 3: now waiting into the stream. This looks like the perfect
Speaker 3: place to pick up a white fish or a rainbow.
Speaker 3: And he's made his first cast.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's already high stick. He's drifting. Yeah, I'm surprised.
Speaker 2: The beautiful hole, like that beautiful sunny day. No one
Speaker 2: else is out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Tyler, you're fifteen seconds in. There's gotta be fish
Speaker 3: stacked out third, don't you.
Speaker 1: Think you would think so?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to say if that's a did he
Speaker 2: say if it was a tail water or just a
Speaker 2: spill away?
Speaker 3: I don't remember that, te Dale. But I think the
Speaker 3: most important thing is he's in town, so this is
Speaker 3: looks like a pretty accessible area. Tyler, you have twenty
Speaker 3: seconds left. He's just made another cast upstream. This may
Speaker 3: be his last drift. Oh oh, I don't think he
Speaker 3: has it?
Speaker 1: Does yet? He does have one? No? No, no, dang.
Speaker 3: It, Tyler, You're one minute of fishing is up? Can
Speaker 3: you can you hear us? Tyler?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Tell did you have a hook set there? What happened?
Speaker 3: What was that? Did you have a hook set there?
Speaker 1: I think here's a rock? Yeah?
Speaker 3: There you go. Just lie to us next time, all right, Tyler? Well,
Speaker 3: no five hundred dollars donation to TU this week, but
Speaker 3: we're gonna try again next episode.
Speaker 8: Thank you for joining us, Yeah, thank you for having
Speaker 8: us and help raising awareness for what trot On Limited does.
Speaker 1: We really appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, I have a good one, Tyler.
Speaker 1: Thanks Tyler, thanks Tyler.
Speaker 3: All right, let's take a b I would.
Speaker 1: Have liked to have known what flies fly or flies
Speaker 1: he was drifting?
Speaker 3: M what do you think he was?
Speaker 2: He said midges were popping, So I'm guessing, you know,
Speaker 2: probably some kind of a bigger attractor nymph up top
Speaker 2: and then uh, midge trailing it in the back. But
Speaker 2: you know there's a thousands of midge patterns.
Speaker 1: I want to know. If them boys spin fishing, we're
Speaker 1: catching it.
Speaker 3: We'll come back to them later for one minute fishing
Speaker 3: the spin fish.
Speaker 2: You know, we might have to switch this segment up
Speaker 2: to maybe two minutes or five minutes fishing.
Speaker 3: Well, if that happens, then the suits at Meat Eater
Speaker 3: you're going to be sending me an email like, hey, uh,
Speaker 3: we can't be giving away all that money every episode.
Speaker 3: So one minute. I think we've had three successful anglers
Speaker 3: and it makes it extra special when it does happen. Yeah, Johanny,
Speaker 3: you were one of them. You were one of the
Speaker 3: successful angle right, you were jumping that water down in Louisiana.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Oh that was fishing in a barrel for sure.
Speaker 3: That could have been ten second fishing. That's all right,
Speaker 3: let's take a break for some listener feedback, Phil, what's
Speaker 3: the chat have to say?
Speaker 6: We've got Leland writing in asking question for Spencer, when
Speaker 6: can we expect more meat eater kids and why the
Speaker 6: long delays breaks an episode drops. So I'll pipe in
Speaker 6: first as the part of the podcast team. That show,
Speaker 6: despite its relatively short runtime, does take a lot of
Speaker 6: teamwork and resources around here. We've got Steve having to
Speaker 6: write a script for his bit, Spencer writing trivia for kids.
Speaker 6: You know, Corinn and crew working on Guess that Critter.
Speaker 6: Even though it's kind of like a short, bite sized show,
Speaker 6: it is a lot of work and it's a labor
Speaker 6: of love. But also we don't really want to like
Speaker 6: I almost use kind of like a very dirty term.
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna do that, but we
Speaker 6: don't wanna.
Speaker 1: Now it's stuck in my head. It's good to space.
Speaker 6: The show's out is what I'm just what I'm trying
Speaker 6: to get to, and kind of event ties them as
Speaker 6: seasons get get people excited, because I think if that
Speaker 6: were a weekly show, I think people will be excited
Speaker 6: about it for a while and then it might get
Speaker 6: kind of it might get kind of dull.
Speaker 3: So yeah, but a lot of scheduling, a lot of
Speaker 3: a lot of people involved to put it together. Our
Speaker 3: plan right now, and this could change, is to drop
Speaker 3: two seasons of Meat Eater Kids each year, one in
Speaker 3: the summer kind of right when kids get out of school,
Speaker 3: and then the other around Christmas break, so it spreads
Speaker 3: them out about six months from each other. Expect that
Speaker 3: next one, Leland, sometime between like Memorial Day and fourth
Speaker 3: of July. We're gonna have five new episodes for.
Speaker 1: The beginning of June.
Speaker 6: I can I think I can officially say June is
Speaker 6: the next season of Meat Eater Kids, So keep an
Speaker 6: eye out for that.
Speaker 3: There you go, tell little Leland, more Meat Eater Kids
Speaker 3: is on the.
Speaker 6: Way, Mike Seth, You're getting a lot of questions from
Speaker 6: a lot of different people. Michael asks, what is a
Speaker 6: good camera for beginners for photography?
Speaker 1: Oh, you know, one of the first cameras I well,
Speaker 1: was the second camera I ever had, was a Sony
Speaker 1: A sixty three hundred. It's like a crop censor mirrorless
Speaker 1: camera made by Sony, and it's reasonably priced and good
Speaker 1: quality photos. It's not quite like a professional camera, but
Speaker 1: it's like something worth getting to like start with and
Speaker 1: see if you want to stick with it and see
Speaker 1: if you like it. And then that north or south
Speaker 1: of a thousand bucks, I think it's probably north, but
Speaker 1: it's probably pretty close to that. I don't know what
Speaker 1: they are these days.
Speaker 3: I haven't looked at camera prices in a while, but
Speaker 3: I feel like that's one of those things that prices
Speaker 3: are probably coming down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Like Seth, you and I are the right age that
Speaker 3: we remember when flash drives came out and fill you
Speaker 3: as well, And there was a moment where like a
Speaker 3: flash drive was like eighty dollars, yeah, to get a
Speaker 3: one gigabyte flash drive.
Speaker 6: Oh, I mean gigs. That's that's being generous. Several megabytes yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: And then at some point everyone could make them. The
Speaker 3: technology got to a point where it was far easier
Speaker 3: to create a super high quality flash drive. I think
Speaker 3: that's kind of happening with cameras. Yeah, I bet like
Speaker 3: it's better now than it's ever been to get a
Speaker 3: good camera for photography. What about other tips you got
Speaker 3: for Michael.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well a tip would just be learning the camera
Speaker 1: real well and shoot a lot of photos with it
Speaker 1: and then you'll figure out if you like it, and
Speaker 1: if you like it, you know, just upgrade your gear
Speaker 1: from there.
Speaker 3: Go do you shoot with now a seven or five?
Speaker 1: Which is like a kind of the top of the line,
Speaker 1: not necessary for someone just getting into it.
Speaker 3: That's why I says pictures look so good and he's
Speaker 3: also very talented.
Speaker 1: Thanks Spencer, What else you got phil from Adam? Is
Speaker 1: there any contention between Giannis and Steve being that Janis
Speaker 1: want a bear tag on Prince of Wales and Steve
Speaker 1: continues to lose out.
Speaker 2: Well, Steve is not losing out. He has other friends
Speaker 2: and family that have drawn that tag. I believe one
Speaker 2: or maybe two kids have drawn the same year that
Speaker 2: I have for twenty six. So yeah, these days when
Speaker 2: our kids have a tag, no one's losing out.
Speaker 1: Twenty six is gonna be a big year for bear
Speaker 1: hunting up there. Yeah, my dad drew for twenty six
Speaker 1: up there too. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go out it Clay Newcombe style. I'm bringing
Speaker 2: my wet suit and my bowl.
Speaker 3: Are you being serious?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 3: What time of year will be going? What month may?
Speaker 1: Probably? Yeah, like the week before. Oh, it's gonna be great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have a gun picked out for your dad,
Speaker 3: Seth to take on that hunt.
Speaker 1: He'll probably bring one of his. Yeah, probably the old
Speaker 1: thirty hot six or something.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 6: Yeah, a couple of trapping questions for Seth. Oh boy,
Speaker 6: I've been trying to catch a fox or coyot for
Speaker 6: weeks now using a dirt hole set with a lure.
Speaker 6: A few times the traps have been trigged, triggered, but
Speaker 6: with no catches. Any idea of what I might be
Speaker 6: doing wrong?
Speaker 1: Well, A lot of times when that happens, it's because
Speaker 1: the fox or coyote is smelling the trap, so there
Speaker 1: might be some scent contamination there. A lot of times
Speaker 1: when they they'll they'll smell the trap in the ground
Speaker 1: and dig it up and it triggers. It. Hard to
Speaker 1: exactly say you know what's going on there, but that
Speaker 1: happens often. So cool.
Speaker 6: And to follow that one up, do you ever use
Speaker 6: the old Johnny Thorpe no leg hole beaver skinning method?
Speaker 6: Those are a bunch of words. I have no idea
Speaker 6: what they mean. Try it out and it makes a
Speaker 6: really nice clean beaver hide, perfect for making garments.
Speaker 1: Have you heard of this steth No? I know, I
Speaker 1: know Johnny Thorpe. But I can't say that I know
Speaker 1: the no leg hole method. I'll have to check that out.
Speaker 1: Ben Anderson Outdoors. Let's see, this is kind of an
Speaker 1: interesting one. Maybe Brad asks what is the line between
Speaker 1: helping an animal and distress and letting nature take its course?
Speaker 1: I e.
Speaker 6: Fond traps in ice or something like that. M you
Speaker 6: guys have any opinions on that?
Speaker 3: I would say, no, what's legal? Brad? In that situation,
Speaker 3: your best bad is probably to track down a game
Speaker 3: warden and just use your judgment. If your gut tells
Speaker 3: you that you should put that thing out of its misery,
Speaker 3: then that's probably what you should do. I don't know
Speaker 3: that I've been in that situation a lot. There was
Speaker 3: like I hit a dough with my pickup one time,
Speaker 3: had to cut its throat. Like putting animals out of
Speaker 3: their misery encounter.
Speaker 2: That's not exactly what Brad asked, right, He's asking about
Speaker 2: just helping an animal and distress versus letting it continue
Speaker 2: to be distressed. Have you ever had that happen where
Speaker 2: you had to go I'm gonna do air quotes for
Speaker 2: save because I lean on the side of kind of
Speaker 2: letting nature do its things.
Speaker 3: I was deer hunting in eastern Montana one time and
Speaker 3: I saw an owl you know, barbed wire fence that
Speaker 3: was still alive, and so I went and cut the fence.
Speaker 3: I couldn't get a hold of the landowner at that time,
Speaker 3: but I made the call that was gonna try to
Speaker 3: help it. So I got a wire cutter out of
Speaker 3: my pickup, cut the fence, put it in a tote,
Speaker 3: track down the right people to give that too. There's
Speaker 3: like a raptor association had to go, like do a
Speaker 3: handoff to someone else an hour away. They took that raptor,
Speaker 3: they got it to a rehab facility. It died a
Speaker 3: week later. So it was it was disappointing that that
Speaker 3: was the outcome, but encouraging that like that exists for
Speaker 3: animals in that exact situation. So I did my best
Speaker 3: at that time. I sacrificed some hunting to make that happen.
Speaker 3: And then, weirdly, because I had to go way out
Speaker 3: of my way to do this handoff, on my way back,
Speaker 3: I saw some deer entering a guy's field. Got to
Speaker 3: hold the landowner, got permission. A half hour later, I
Speaker 3: killed a big old four by four, So it was
Speaker 3: it was the nature did me right on that hunt? Yeah,
Speaker 3: you guys ever help or kill an animal that was
Speaker 3: in distress?
Speaker 1: Ah? Yeah, I did the same thing with hitting a
Speaker 1: deer with my truck one time.
Speaker 3: How'd you kill it?
Speaker 1: Twenty two? Yeah? I don't know. I feel like if
Speaker 1: it's like a man man made issue, sure it's I
Speaker 1: don't know in my mind, it might not be the
Speaker 1: right thing or legal thing to do, but I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just watching a deer struggle along the road, you know,
Speaker 1: Oh for sure, for sure.
Speaker 2: But now if a young fawn is getting taken down
Speaker 2: by a pack of coyotes.
Speaker 1: Let it go. Yeah, let it go. If it's nature,
Speaker 1: let nature do its thing. Name of the game.
Speaker 3: To put a bowl on that story. I did get
Speaker 3: a hold of the rancher later on whose fence I cut,
Speaker 3: told him what happened. It's like, hey, I'll go back
Speaker 3: and fix it, and he's like, nope, don't worry about it.
Speaker 3: Thanks for telling me. Uh, good on you for doing
Speaker 3: the right thing. So it all worked out except for
Speaker 3: the owl, all right. Moving on, our next segment is
Speaker 3: meat Pole.
Speaker 6: Say if Sully and Meatball is a take Welcome to Meady,
Speaker 6: I got a game something.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's great, Phil.
Speaker 3: Meat Pole is a test of how much you know
Speaker 3: about your fellow hunters and anglers. I surveyed five hundred
Speaker 3: Meat Eater listeners about the outdoors. Your job is to
Speaker 3: predict their answers. There are three questions. Whoever is closest
Speaker 3: to the correct answer between Yiannis and Seth gets a point.
Speaker 3: Whoever gets two points will be the winner, and everyone
Speaker 3: in the chat should play along as well, because Phil
Speaker 3: is going to watch your answers and then give a
Speaker 3: shout out to whoever is closest.
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm a good, good, above average trivia player.
Speaker 2: Quite the opposite here with meat poll.
Speaker 3: You're not an average Joey Yanni. You're too disconnected from
Speaker 3: these five hundred listeners we're talking to. Maybe that's what
Speaker 3: we learned. Could be Let's see how you do on
Speaker 3: today's questions. The first one is what percentage of meat
Speaker 3: Eater listeners have gotten lost in the woods to the
Speaker 3: point where they were scared.
Speaker 2: This is so subjective because they have to be humble
Speaker 2: enough to admit.
Speaker 3: I'll admit I got lost to the point where I
Speaker 3: was scared before. Have you boys had that happen to you?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean between the ages of twelve and forty seven.
Speaker 2: Has it happened once?
Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah, twice? Yes.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well apply that logic to the folks who were
Speaker 3: answering this question. What percentage of meat eater listeners have
Speaker 3: gotten lost in the woods to the point where they
Speaker 3: were scared? What was the worst that you ever got
Speaker 3: lost and scared?
Speaker 1: Yanni?
Speaker 2: Oh jeez, it's probably you know. My dad and I
Speaker 2: had quite the moment the other day. We just didn't
Speaker 2: via text.
Speaker 3: The other day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple days.
Speaker 2: Ago, I was thinking about a podcast idea I have,
Speaker 2: and that got me to thinking that I'd never really
Speaker 2: properly thanked my dad for taking me hunting as a
Speaker 2: young you know. So I just shot him a text
Speaker 2: saying thanks, and he replied with, Hey, you're welcome.
Speaker 1: Sorry I yelled at you some of those times, you.
Speaker 2: Know, so like and that one time that I'm pretty
Speaker 2: sure he's probably thinking of, like in this on our
Speaker 2: current property.
Speaker 3: Wasn't scific about what the time was?
Speaker 2: No, No, but I know that this is the I mean,
Speaker 2: there's probably some other times, but you know, we both
Speaker 2: just went into the woods basically, and we had prep
Speaker 2: stands the day before whatever, and we're in the dark.
Speaker 2: He goes on to his spot and it was one
Speaker 2: of those things where he kind of dropped me off
Speaker 2: and I was just gonna walk right fifty yards and
Speaker 2: right to my tree.
Speaker 1: Well like an hour later, I'm.
Speaker 2: Just stumbling around in the oak leaves, crunching around my
Speaker 2: flashlight going everywhere and out of the just pitch black
Speaker 2: quiet and still, you know, pre dawn nightness. I just
Speaker 2: I can't remember the exact exploitives in the sense it
Speaker 2: was basically yelling just sit down and way for it
Speaker 2: to yell light. I'm like, oh, yeah, that's a good idea.
Speaker 2: And of course when I got light, I could see
Speaker 2: my trees stand.
Speaker 3: A little lost and a little scared that time. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the most scared I ever got was I was in college.
Speaker 3: I was mushroom hunting along the Missouri River and it
Speaker 3: was getting dark and it was just like a totally
Speaker 3: monotonous forest of every tree looked the same, the ground
Speaker 3: was totally flat, and at some point I didn't know
Speaker 3: where I was or how to get back to the
Speaker 3: road and my pickup. And this was before on X
Speaker 3: was there, as before cell signal had so much coverage,
Speaker 3: but I could get out a phone call if I
Speaker 3: needed to. And so my plan was, once I was
Speaker 3: lost for like a good hour, I was gonna call
Speaker 3: one of my buddies, have him drive like an hour
Speaker 3: to the road because he would know where I was at,
Speaker 3: and then have him honk the horn. And I thought
Speaker 3: that would guide me out of the woods. Luckily, right
Speaker 3: before I got to that point, I made it out okay,
Speaker 3: And it wasn't that serious, but I was concerned enough
Speaker 3: where I was coming up with ideas of how to
Speaker 3: get out of there.
Speaker 1: And you were like, you're like right around twenty Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 3: I was probably a freshman or sophomore college.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I got lost one time coon hunting when I
Speaker 1: was in high school.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it was a high school at night at night,
Speaker 1: had like a mag light and that's it. And uh, I,
Speaker 1: by accident, after several hours, by accially stumbled into my house.
Speaker 3: Is that where you left from?
Speaker 1: Was your house?
Speaker 3: No, that's good. Okay, you were a little scared, I imagine.
Speaker 1: I don't if I was scared not, but probably I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 3: All right, Yanni and Seth have their answer for one percentage.
Speaker 2: The room there online, and their numbers are a lot
Speaker 2: lower than mine.
Speaker 3: So what percentage of listeners have gotten lost in the
Speaker 3: woods to the point where they were scared? Go ahead
Speaker 3: and reveal your answers. We have Yanni saying eighty seven percent,
Speaker 3: and we have Seth saying eleven percent. The correct answer
Speaker 3: is third eventy nine point one percent. I think that
Speaker 3: means Seth gets that first point, but honestly, neither one
Speaker 3: of you boys were very close. According to one study,
Speaker 3: it's estimated that over four thousand, six hundred people get
Speaker 3: lost in the woods each year. That's thirteen people per day.
Speaker 3: Hikers make up forty eight percent of people lost in
Speaker 3: the woods, with the most common demographics being men age
Speaker 3: twenty to twenty five and men age fifty to sixty.
Speaker 3: The three most common reasons people get lost is because
Speaker 3: they got off a trail, failed to have a good plan,
Speaker 3: and miscalculated time or distance. Phil, who was the closest
Speaker 3: in the chat, to thirty nine point one.
Speaker 1: Oh, we had Lane with the thirty eight and Devin
Speaker 1: with thirty eight as well.
Speaker 3: Well done Devin and Lane. Here's question two. What percentage
Speaker 3: of meat eater listeners would give up hunt it or
Speaker 3: excuse me, would give up fishing for a year in
Speaker 3: exchange for their dream boat. What percentage of meat eater
Speaker 3: listeners would give up fishing for a year in exchange
Speaker 3: for their dream boat? Seth described for me your dream boat.
Speaker 1: You know, my dream boat's not that crazy. It's just
Speaker 1: a simple, like twenty foot tiller aluminum tiller boat.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, yeah, I think mine would be uh
Speaker 3: pretty pretty attainable as well. Would be like like a
Speaker 3: seventeen foot long deep V yeah, with like a nice
Speaker 3: open floor plane.
Speaker 1: Like a one pro guide like tiller boat. Guys aren't
Speaker 1: thinking this through. What do you mean like you could
Speaker 1: have any if you were to give up fishing. It's
Speaker 1: just saying you could have any boat of your dreams.
Speaker 3: I know, but that the boat that I have the
Speaker 3: most used for would be that one deep V seventeen foot.
Speaker 3: I'd probably have a steering count.
Speaker 2: But you've maybe never even been on an eighty foot catamarans?
Speaker 3: What on earth am I going to do with that boat? Yanni?
Speaker 2: Well, you want me to list off the things that
Speaker 2: you could do on and off that.
Speaker 1: Boat for me?
Speaker 3: Yes? Go ahead?
Speaker 2: Oh, you mean like live like here in Bozeman. Yes,
Speaker 2: you can put it out on Canyon Ferry and have great,
Speaker 2: big parties on it.
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe not my dream you know, go and dive and.
Speaker 3: What's your dream boat? Then? Since being Set, I.
Speaker 1: Would I would have had to think about it a
Speaker 1: little bit. I don't, but it wouldn't be no, you
Speaker 1: know whatever. Fifty thousand dollars boat you guys are talking
Speaker 1: A landing craft would also be nice for up in
Speaker 1: the last time. See starting to think a little bit.
Speaker 3: So what percentage of listeners would give up fishing for
Speaker 3: a year in exchange for their dream boat? Seth, would
Speaker 3: you do it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I probably would, Yeah, Josh, of course, yeah I
Speaker 1: would do it too. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well there's some data for you boys. You know us
Speaker 2: raise Okay, yeah, but they didn't work. For the last question,
Speaker 2: all three of us have been lost and scared in
Speaker 2: the woods.
Speaker 3: I guess that's a good point. You guys have an answer. Yeah,
Speaker 3: go ahead and reveal your answers. Okay, we have Yanni
Speaker 3: saying eighty seven, little Set saying eighty percent, and you
Speaker 3: boys are in the right neighborhood this time. The correct
Speaker 3: answer is seventy five point one, giving se and the victory.
Speaker 3: According to one study, the quintessential boat owner in America
Speaker 3: is as described they are a suburban white man age
Speaker 3: fifty four with an above average income. But that same
Speaker 3: study shows a shift since COVID towards boat owners who
Speaker 3: are younger and more diverse. Phil who was the closest in.
Speaker 1: The chat, and Cody with seventy five point.
Speaker 3: One percent off. Well done, Cody, all right. Question three,
Speaker 3: We're gonna see if Seth can shut out Yanni make
Speaker 3: him go streaking around the building as is tradition when
Speaker 3: you get skunked. What percentage of meat eater listeners think
Speaker 3: they're a better hunter than their dad? Yanni, who just
Speaker 3: had some very honest conversations with his dad about thanking
Speaker 3: him for hunting, And then Poppiannis apologized for yelling at Yanni,
Speaker 3: do you think you're a better hunter than Papa?
Speaker 4: Yanni?
Speaker 1: Yes, and he would agree, He would tell you that.
Speaker 3: All right, Seth, how about you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he would agree with too, Yeah, me too,
Speaker 1: you too.
Speaker 3: There's some more data for you guys.
Speaker 1: You know that the data data has not been helping
Speaker 1: this game. Cory, what about you?
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, way better?
Speaker 3: Better hunter, better fishermen, better golfer.
Speaker 1: But I M there you go, yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3: Again, what percentage of meat eater listeners think they're a
Speaker 3: better hunter than their dad? Wow, the chat is good.
Speaker 1: Stoke.
Speaker 3: You guys are participating to this level. You're keeping feel
Speaker 3: busy over there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, lots of numbers.
Speaker 3: At what percentage of listeners think they're a better hunter
Speaker 3: than their dad? Are you boys ready?
Speaker 1: Yep?
Speaker 3: Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Yanni saying
Speaker 3: seventy six percent, seth is saying ninety seven. There's no
Speaker 3: shut out. The correct answer is seventy seven. Was one
Speaker 3: point five percent percentage points off of the correct answer. Now,
Speaker 3: this is a bit surprising since previous pulling of our
Speaker 3: audience showed that only forty two percent of listeners think
Speaker 3: they're a better angler than the average angler, but an
Speaker 3: overwhelming amount of listeners say they're a better hunter than
Speaker 3: their dad. So either our audience is far more confident
Speaker 3: in their hunting skills than fishing skills, or most of
Speaker 3: them think their dad is a poor outdoorsman. Big, big discrepancy.
Speaker 2: I would point it to the the availability of information that,
Speaker 2: like the average average son versus the average dad at
Speaker 2: this point in time had coming up because again I
Speaker 2: didn't my dad got me into it, took me hunting.
Speaker 2: But I would say that, you know, the large majority
Speaker 2: of within my head about hunting did not come from him.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The the hurdles to get into hunting or whatever thing
Speaker 3: you like, mushroom hunting, rock hunting, fishing, it's never been
Speaker 3: easier because of all the information of it, bailable online
Speaker 3: and podcast like this one.
Speaker 1: All right, we had John Torres with seventy seven.
Speaker 3: Seventy seven, Well done, John dang near nailed it, all right.
Speaker 3: Last thing for today. Joining us on the line last
Speaker 3: is Jim Heffelfinger, the Wildlife Science coordinator from the Arizona
Speaker 3: Game and Fish Department. He's here to talk to us
Speaker 3: about the addition of have Alina to the Boone and
Speaker 3: Crocket record book. Jim, welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Good to be here. Jim.
Speaker 3: Are you a better hunter than your dad?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 5: I think so because I taught him when he was
Speaker 5: in his sixties.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, that's an easy one for you to an Then,
Speaker 3: all right, Jim, what was the motivation for getting have
Speaker 3: Alina added to the Boone and Crocket Record Book.
Speaker 5: Well, what is not to like about these cool things?
Speaker 5: I mean, they're just little wild pigs that live in
Speaker 5: the desert.
Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, they're pigs.
Speaker 4: No, No, I was going to I was gonna get
Speaker 4: to that. Okay, so we call him pigs just as
Speaker 4: a nickname.
Speaker 5: But coming from South Texas, that was confusing to me
Speaker 5: because we had pigs and then we had these. It
Speaker 5: are not pigs. So habilina are not in the pig family,
Speaker 5: the suadey. They're in their own family, which is a
Speaker 5: peckory family, which is Teasu a day. And some people
Speaker 5: make a big deal out of them not being pigs,
Speaker 5: and they're really not because they're not in the pig family,
Speaker 5: but they're in a very closely related, kind of branched
Speaker 5: off little family, So I don't.
Speaker 4: Make a big deal out of it. But they're they're
Speaker 4: very different.
Speaker 5: And the reason they're different is the peckres, which is
Speaker 5: a habilina, is a colored pecory and there's three kinds
Speaker 5: of peckers. The other ones that are in Southern Mexico
Speaker 5: and South America. The peckers are a new world animal.
Speaker 5: They eve alve the North America and South America. The pigs,
Speaker 5: the real pig family is an old World animal that
Speaker 5: was then brought over here, and so's that's the difference.
Speaker 5: We had Peckery's in the place is seen running all
Speaker 5: over North America. They all went extinct and then the
Speaker 5: colored pecory reinvaded North America really in the last last
Speaker 5: thousand years.
Speaker 3: So the motivation for getting them added to the record book,
Speaker 3: it's just because what's not to love about a little
Speaker 3: bit exactly.
Speaker 5: They're just they're really cool animals. They're a hook big
Speaker 5: game animal. Arizona's been managing them as game animals since
Speaker 5: nineteen twenty nine. Texas and New Mexico has been managing
Speaker 5: them as game animals since the nineteen thirties. And like
Speaker 5: Arizona has a lottery style draw you have to apply
Speaker 5: and get a permit to have Helena's got twenty six
Speaker 5: thousand permits available and increasing trends in popularity in Arizona
Speaker 5: and New Mexico. They're managed sustainably in sustainable populations in
Speaker 5: all three states. And I just it's how they've escaped
Speaker 5: the bundicracket record book for one hundred years, is the
Speaker 5: real question.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it was announced in December that Boone and
Speaker 3: Crocket would start tracking have Alina Records after a unanimous vote.
Speaker 3: What was the process like in getting them on board?
Speaker 5: Yeah, interesting story is I have an old Manila file
Speaker 5: folder from twenty years ago that says Havelena big Boonicrockett category.
Speaker 5: And I became a professional member of Bunda Rocket started
Speaker 5: going to meetings and meetings of Bundercrockett people, and I
Speaker 5: asked them that question, why is Hevelena not on the
Speaker 5: in the record books? And I just got kind of
Speaker 5: a collective shoulder shrug, like I don't know. And I
Speaker 5: was really passionate about making that happening, but there there's
Speaker 5: no there was no like momentum. I just kind of
Speaker 5: ran out of I wouldn't get any traction anywhere with anybody,
Speaker 5: and so I started raising a family and doing my job.
Speaker 5: And it was last year that Nicole Tapman from New
Speaker 5: Mexico Game and Fish called me and said, hey, would
Speaker 5: you write a letter to support putting Heavilena as a
Speaker 5: new record book category?
Speaker 4: And I said write a letter. I'm clearing my calendar.
Speaker 4: I mean, let's get the work.
Speaker 5: Let's let's start working on this. And so we We
Speaker 5: enlisted a couple of people from Mexico who have an
Speaker 5: interest in this, three people from Texas, Nicole from New Mexico,
Speaker 5: me from Arizona, and we all came together as a
Speaker 5: team and we wrote this proposal that was presented to
Speaker 5: the Buonicrockett Records Committee. Nicole's a member of the Records Committee.
Speaker 5: I'm kind of a recent member of the Records Committee
Speaker 5: and have a little asterisk by my name because I'm
Speaker 5: not an official measurer. But we were in the Records
Speaker 5: book committee meetings and we put together. First of all,
Speaker 5: we just put together some rudimentary information. We brought them,
Speaker 5: brought that to the Records Committee, and we said, we'd
Speaker 5: like to do this, there's good reason to do it.
Speaker 5: What we'd like from you is just to invite us
Speaker 5: to come back with a full proposal.
Speaker 4: And they did that.
Speaker 5: They were interested enough, they said let's see what you got.
Speaker 5: So we spent six months or so and we came
Speaker 5: back with a full proposal and some of the old
Speaker 5: some of the members of the Records Committee that have
Speaker 5: been there for decades, said they have never seen a
Speaker 5: more research and well put together proposal, and it was
Speaker 5: just really an overwhelming success. Everybody saw the information we
Speaker 5: brought to Baron and agreed that it was a pretty
Speaker 5: good idea. So they proved it in December, and now
Speaker 5: we're in the phase of implementing, kind of rolling it
Speaker 5: out and getting it set up.
Speaker 3: Well, you must have done a good job because again
Speaker 3: it was unanimously approved by Boone and Crockett. Now let's
Speaker 3: talk about scoring them. What measurements are taken on a
Speaker 3: have Alina, Yeah.
Speaker 4: It's going to be We want to keep things simple.
Speaker 5: We don't want something different for this kind of animal,
Speaker 5: so it's just length plus width like we do for
Speaker 5: bears and mountain lions. And you can see you in
Speaker 5: the background there as the Arizona record book. So Arizona's
Speaker 5: had a record book since nineteen seventy and keeping track
Speaker 5: of length plus width of the skull. Texas has had
Speaker 5: record books since twenty ten. New Mexico just uses sci
Speaker 5: of scoring. They don't have their state record book, so
Speaker 5: we have a huge body of information to guide us
Speaker 5: in how to measure them and what the minimum score
Speaker 5: might be. The one quirk was that all of those
Speaker 5: Arizona records, if you can see in the picture the
Speaker 5: incisors hang out a little bit farther than the skull
Speaker 5: bone itself. Wind Crockett always includes the teeth with lines
Speaker 5: and bears. The historical Arizona haling of records did not
Speaker 5: include those incisors, just the skull itself. And so we
Speaker 5: had to look at the historical records, and we looked
Speaker 5: at a whole bunch of Alina skulls and saw that
Speaker 5: the teeth add about one sixteenth or one eighth, and
Speaker 5: so we had to just kind of add that little
Speaker 5: bit to the score to get an idea of what
Speaker 5: a minimum score might be for avelna.
Speaker 1: So how many entries are in that Arizona book, Jim.
Speaker 5: About seven hundred in the Arizona Book. And the minimum
Speaker 5: score it started out, this is the nineteen seventies book.
Speaker 5: It started out with the minimum score. And this is
Speaker 5: all species. This is our state record book started out
Speaker 5: with a minimum score of like thirteen and something. It's
Speaker 5: been fourteen. This is our current book of all species.
Speaker 5: It's been fourteen inches for a long time. And so
Speaker 5: there's seven So there's seven hundred in there, which some
Speaker 5: of our grandfather but they're above fourteen. New Mexico's had
Speaker 5: using the sci they use for like fourteen in one
Speaker 5: sixteenth and Texas had a lower one to thirteen and
Speaker 5: and ten sixteenth. But to give you an idea of
Speaker 5: the range of those since we have this information, the
Speaker 5: largest have alina on record in any of those states
Speaker 5: is fifteen and seven sixteens. That gives you a good
Speaker 5: idea what pretty much maximum is, or at least what
Speaker 5: the goal is to be. And there's twenty one have
Speaker 5: alina that have been measured that are over fifteen inches.
Speaker 5: That gives you lets you kind of frame what that
Speaker 5: looks like. Seven hundred over fourteen inches and only twenty
Speaker 5: one over fifteen inches?
Speaker 3: And what's the minimum score going to be for Boonakrockett?
Speaker 3: Was there any disagreement on that number?
Speaker 5: Not disagreement, just a lot of discussion, and that's not
Speaker 5: finalized yet, so they're talking about that now. But having
Speaker 5: all of this data set for a new animal is
Speaker 5: so valuable because we can look at that and we
Speaker 5: could even do some little diagrams to say, well, if
Speaker 5: it's set at this limit, how many can we expect?
Speaker 4: Can we expect a lot? You know, over that amount?
Speaker 4: So it gives us that kind of basis information.
Speaker 5: But one important thing is we don't take all those
Speaker 5: records out of Texas and Arizona and throw them into
Speaker 5: Boone Crockett record book. Every skull will have to be
Speaker 5: measured by a Bondicrocket official measure, and so obviously all
Speaker 5: of those won't be in the Boondicrocket record But anybody
Speaker 5: it's got a big skull laying around, they can measure
Speaker 5: it themselves with length length plus with and just see
Speaker 5: where they are in relation to some of these numbers
Speaker 5: we're talking about. And then when this goes live, find
Speaker 5: an official measure if you think it's close and can
Speaker 5: get it measured, So any any skull people have can
Speaker 5: be brought in, just like now, if you find an
Speaker 5: old Cole's whitetail and grapasatic, you can enter it.
Speaker 3: Do you have any advice for hunters on how they
Speaker 3: can best field, judge a booner, have a lina.
Speaker 5: That's not easy, it's not even it's not even really
Speaker 5: possible to tell male from female unless you get a
Speaker 5: little side shot and you see like a penis sheath.
Speaker 5: But as far as size or any other characteristics, you
Speaker 5: can't even tell the sex, And so telling skull size
Speaker 5: isn't always going to be body size. An animal that
Speaker 5: grows up the first couple of years with not much nutrition.
Speaker 5: So there's my dad that with his haavelna eighty nine
Speaker 5: years old, he killed a meal there at ninety the
Speaker 5: next year and he's ninety one now. So the thing
Speaker 5: with the skull measurement is that the big skull has
Speaker 5: to start with good nutrition the first year. So an
Speaker 5: animal doesn't have good nutrition for the first couple of
Speaker 5: years and then has gets into an aag field and
Speaker 5: gets a real fat body, it may not have a
Speaker 5: big skull. So I think what's going to be important
Speaker 5: is an animal it grows up mother has good nutrition.
Speaker 5: That animal has good nutrition year one, two, three, four,
Speaker 5: and I think that skull is going to come along
Speaker 5: with that nutrition. So it's gonna be hard to judge.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be hard to feel judge an animal. But
Speaker 5: it's a fun thing because havevelina are so fun to hunt,
Speaker 5: and it's a fun thing to have this little extra
Speaker 5: thing that you can go check and see.
Speaker 4: If you've got a book pig.
Speaker 3: Now, Jim, what are some things you predict that we'll
Speaker 3: learn about have alina Once these records are compiled. Is
Speaker 3: there gonna be some decade or a year that produced
Speaker 3: an unusual amount of records. Will we realize that there's
Speaker 3: a subspecies we didn't know about and is like some
Speaker 3: county in Texas or Arizona sub going to be thought
Speaker 3: of as the Buffalo County of whitetails for Havelina.
Speaker 5: I don't think we'll find a different subspecies because we
Speaker 5: have enough measurements now to kind of compare that. But
Speaker 5: the Boondicrocket record books were originally designed not so people
Speaker 5: could brag about the big animal they killed, but to
Speaker 5: document North America's big game animals.
Speaker 4: And so this is just in line with.
Speaker 5: The original purpose of these record books is to start
Speaker 5: documenting some of his biological information for Haveilina, and so
Speaker 5: we may be able to look at geographic differences. I
Speaker 5: don't think we're going to see annual differences like we
Speaker 5: do and antlers that are grown every year because of
Speaker 5: what I just talked about with skulls needing that nutrition there.
Speaker 5: But we may find areas like if you look at
Speaker 5: a soil map and compare that to Boonicrocket whitetail entries,
Speaker 5: you see a correlation with thick fertile soils like Buffalo County,
Speaker 5: Wisconsin and whole Mississippi River Valley. I think we may
Speaker 5: see something like that, although with Haveilina, we might find
Speaker 5: that Havelina's Buffalo County or the one county where all
Speaker 5: the big trophies come from might be a county in
Speaker 5: Texas that has the highest deensity of feeders or something feeding.
Speaker 4: It's probably not going.
Speaker 5: To be like in the middle of the son Orange
Speaker 5: Desert where they're they're eating a pretty fair fruits and
Speaker 5: digging for roots and things like that.
Speaker 3: Well, that's a good prediction. I think you're going to
Speaker 3: be right there. Jim, Well, thank you for joining us
Speaker 3: today and thanks for fighting on behalf of the have Alina.
Speaker 4: I'm happy to you. They're awesome.
Speaker 1: Have a good one, Thanks Jan Thanks Jim too.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Have you killed?
Speaker 3: How many Helena? Have you killed?
Speaker 1: Exactly one?
Speaker 3: Okay? Have you ever measured it?
Speaker 1: I have it my will tonight. Yeah?
Speaker 4: Do it?
Speaker 3: Do you have calipers at home or are you gonna
Speaker 3: use a tape measure?
Speaker 1: I do have calipers, Okay, I believe in my reloading kit.
Speaker 3: You let us know what that thing is going to score. Yeah,
Speaker 3: then maybe tell tell Jim what it is so he
Speaker 3: can fight for the the minimum to be right at
Speaker 3: that number.
Speaker 1: There you go, all right.
Speaker 3: That brings us to the end of this week's show. Phil.
Speaker 3: Let's get some final feedback from the chat.
Speaker 6: Yeah, last call for question for the crew only got
Speaker 6: a few so far, so get those rolling in zeb
Speaker 6: zooms asks who in the office is the best with
Speaker 6: their bow?
Speaker 3: I bet it is whoever shoots the most, which is
Speaker 3: maybe Yannis.
Speaker 1: I don't know who the best is with their bow.
Speaker 3: I'll say you, who would you say?
Speaker 1: If not you?
Speaker 2: I don't know Corey. Who else shoots hunts with their bow?
Speaker 2: Bunch Logan Logan? Yeah, Logan like last year killed two
Speaker 2: or three big games with his bow.
Speaker 3: Maybe we'll find out in the future, but we'll say
Speaker 3: Logan and janis right now best with their bow.
Speaker 1: Cool Jordan. Question for Phil favorite tiki cocktail?
Speaker 3: Can I guess have at it my tie?
Speaker 1: Incorrect? That's one.
Speaker 3: How about like like a fruit punch with rum rum punch?
Speaker 6: Uh, it's the same as Richard Nixon's. It's called the
Speaker 6: Navy grog. It's it's described there's several different ways to
Speaker 6: make it, but it's uh, it's one of the few
Speaker 6: big teiky drinks. It's like kind of grapefruit forward, so
Speaker 6: it's you know, strong rum, more straw, different kind of
Speaker 6: strong rum. All spice dram which is like basically what
Speaker 6: it sounds like. It's kind of like an all spice
Speaker 6: really like warming spice syrup. I guess it's more of
Speaker 6: a liqueur and lime juice and a bunch of other
Speaker 6: stuff in there, but it's strong. It's well balanced though, and.
Speaker 1: She said there's some grapefruit in there. It's really easy
Speaker 1: to make. Yeah, yeah, fresh grapefruit juice.
Speaker 3: What would be the silver and bronze medalists for top
Speaker 3: tiki cocktail men.
Speaker 6: Well, as far as classics go, Planters Punch, that's a
Speaker 6: really easy one to make. It's very simple. And then
Speaker 6: you know my ties up there as well, they all
Speaker 6: kind of I mean, we went to false Idol and
Speaker 6: sand in San Diego's Punts here and I could tell
Speaker 6: you were kind of underwhelmed by the classic tiaki drinks
Speaker 6: because a lot of them kind of taste the same.
Speaker 6: It's like a lot of lime, a lot of rum,
Speaker 6: and then some it's the other stuff that sets the
Speaker 6: drinks apart. But I mean every tiki bar in America
Speaker 6: has like their own sort of house menu. They they
Speaker 6: get wild and just, and that's where you can find
Speaker 6: some some good hidden gems. But as far as classicsco
Speaker 6: it's the it's the Navy grog underwhelm.
Speaker 3: But I'd say, like a bad tiki drink is still
Speaker 3: a good cocktail. But the what's what's it called the
Speaker 3: navy one?
Speaker 1: Navy grog?
Speaker 3: Navy grog. That's what we're gonna drink at you and
Speaker 3: Seth's bachelor party.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm looking forward to this.
Speaker 2: How much lime juice would you have to add to
Speaker 2: a rum and coke to turn it into a tiki drink?
Speaker 6: Well, got to get the coke out of their first
Speaker 6: No coke, no coke, No, I mean more fruit. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: I mean it's there, there is man.
Speaker 3: What is there that?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's that's a tiki adjacent drink, Like a
Speaker 6: lot of those kind of Cuban those Cuban inspired drinks are.
Speaker 1: You know, rum tiaka drinks draw a lot of inspiration
Speaker 1: from from from that.
Speaker 3: If you don't want to call it a rum and coke, Yanni,
Speaker 3: if you wanted to have like an upscale name. You'd
Speaker 3: call it a Cuba libre.
Speaker 1: Which is just a ramen coke with a lime wedge.
Speaker 3: Exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sque what else we got from the chat?
Speaker 6: You know, I was I was about my tiki drinks.
Speaker 6: So I haven't been reading the chat. So if you
Speaker 6: guys want to make some small.
Speaker 1: Talco, try about your live stream in there.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, the Red Dead live stream. I'm it's it's
Speaker 6: going to happen very in in the next few months.
Speaker 6: Most likely. I'm in the midst of planning it, making graphics,
Speaker 6: making overlays. I don't want it to be just me
Speaker 6: playing video games because that sucks. So I'm trying to
Speaker 6: make it fun and for even people who don't care
Speaker 6: about video games.
Speaker 1: You should have a little tiki bar during your live stream. Oh,
Speaker 1: just just sip on drinks the light bulb.
Speaker 6: Just that's incredible, incredible suggestion. So that's absolutely happening.
Speaker 2: Random Doctor Randall has been very active in the chat
Speaker 2: room today, like he's not working and just chatting in
Speaker 2: the chat.
Speaker 3: Don't discourage that, Yannie. We want the crew members to
Speaker 3: be in the chat.
Speaker 6: You know, here's here's the here's what I'm going to
Speaker 6: say about Randall. The reason I'm not addressing his his
Speaker 6: very ecstatic tiki drink comments is because I'm pretty sure
Speaker 6: I misled Randall about the drink that Phil Spector drink
Speaker 6: that night. I don't believe it was a Navy grog. Randall,
Speaker 6: I think it was a zombie, and I apologize over
Speaker 6: the last few months. If you've told that story to
Speaker 6: your friends, you gotta call him back. Tell it not
Speaker 6: the Navy grog. It was the zombie that Phil Spector
Speaker 6: drank before he murdered his girlfriend. Okay, sorry, Randall called
Speaker 6: us liars earlier.
Speaker 1: It was at eleven. I don't know chat's Marcus. Sometimes
Speaker 1: you don't know what they're referring to.
Speaker 3: Eleven forty two. We'd have probably been playing meat pole
Speaker 3: at that time. So one of the three of us, Oh.
Speaker 1: Wait, Randall.
Speaker 6: Randall says he told he just pulled that from Wikipedia,
Speaker 6: So maybe it was the Navy grog. There's a lot
Speaker 6: of tiki layer out there, guys. You can get lost
Speaker 6: in it. And that's that's that's where we will end.
Speaker 1: The tiki talk.
Speaker 3: Okay, what else you got through? Anything else from the chat?
Speaker 6: I don't know what this means, but Taylor as Spencer.
Speaker 6: Have you ever found any uper Light rock hounding?
Speaker 3: I have not found youber Light. The Great Lakes region
Speaker 3: is largely unexplored for me when it comes to rock counting,
Speaker 3: But there are a lot of aspirational foss jams rocks
Speaker 3: over there that I would love to uh get on
Speaker 3: someday and uper Light at the top of the list.
Speaker 3: I have traded some people for you per Light, so
Speaker 3: I have you per Light in my collection, but none
Speaker 3: that I have found yet.
Speaker 1: What about lever rights?
Speaker 3: That's I heard that joke for the first time from
Speaker 3: Max Bart.
Speaker 5: I like that.
Speaker 3: So you said, did you find any lever Light?
Speaker 1: You do it to set? This is something Max, Have
Speaker 1: you found any lever rights? Right?
Speaker 7: Rock?
Speaker 1: Kind of rock right there?
Speaker 6: Rand He was referring to people lying about being scared
Speaker 6: or lost time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Randall's time to update that YouTube chat room picture, buddy,
Speaker 2: Why is that? It's just doesn't look like Randall?
Speaker 1: Really like Randall? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Anything else from the chatville.
Speaker 6: Someone asked favorite way to cook turkey legs and thighs.
Speaker 6: Since you know it's still turkey season, it hasn't been started.
Speaker 6: I feel like when Turkey Week is over at meat eater.
Speaker 6: It just I mean, as somebody who doesn't hunt turkeys,
Speaker 6: I just feel like the season's.
Speaker 1: Over, so it honestly should be Turkey month. Hey, I agree.
Speaker 2: Hey, you're the second guy to say that in this
Speaker 2: room in the last seven days, maybe eight days.
Speaker 1: Did you say that too last week? There?
Speaker 2: But I got a hot tip from I got a
Speaker 2: bunch of hot tips about cooking down in Texas last
Speaker 2: or two weeks ago. And another one was that instead
Speaker 2: of doing the uh slow cooker with your legs and thighs,
Speaker 2: do the brazing pot. What's the what I'm looking for? No, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: like like the one you put it like a cat. Yeah,
Speaker 2: use a Dutch of him. I did that a couple
Speaker 2: of nights ago, and just the difference is very demonstrable,
Speaker 2: like like way more tender. It actually took less time
Speaker 2: of liquid needed, you know, about the same amount I
Speaker 2: actually left I was. I didn't fully cover all my
Speaker 2: the I did all drumsticks in this batch. I had
Speaker 2: two or three of them that were like at least
Speaker 2: half sticking out. They didn't dry out. So somehow that
Speaker 2: seal was just somehow better than in the slow cooker.
Speaker 2: And uh, yeah, I mean, I usually give my drumsticks
Speaker 2: like eight hours, I would say in the slow cooker,
Speaker 2: and this was done in like five because I kept
Speaker 2: I kept checking them. And the hardest part about it
Speaker 2: is to get your oven tempt set just right so
Speaker 2: you're not ripping too hard, but you're.
Speaker 1: Still just rolling a little bit.
Speaker 2: And I was fluctuating a bunch and I ended at
Speaker 2: two forty was where my oven need to be set
Speaker 2: just to get that just nice slow roll. And uh yeah,
Speaker 2: I was, like I said, Jesse had told me to
Speaker 2: do this and it paid dividends.
Speaker 3: Yeah, with any any turkey legs, you're probably looking in
Speaker 3: like three very important things low, slow, and liquid and evan.
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Speaker 3: Seth anything to add about cooking turkey legs.
Speaker 1: No, I just yeah, it's got to be low and slow.
Speaker 3: Well, let's let's do yeah one last place.
Speaker 6: Yeah, one last from a guy named Garrett Long. Sounds
Speaker 6: like a dumb name. Plus two to who in the office?
Speaker 6: Who would win the most dangerous game? Who would hunt
Speaker 6: to the most dangerous game?
Speaker 1: The best.
Speaker 8: Mean?
Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, I don't know what that means either.
Speaker 1: But who do you think would be able to hunt people.
Speaker 3: The most dangerous game?
Speaker 1: Who would win? So the most is gameing quotes is
Speaker 1: a thing that you all know about.
Speaker 3: But I that I think that implies that we're hunting humans.
Speaker 1: Probably are folks that have actually done it. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: gonna be dark this question, Garrett, why would you ask.
Speaker 3: Folks are veterans in the office?
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 3: Are you happy with that answer, Garrett Long? Okay, that's
Speaker 3: going to bring us to the end of the show.
Speaker 1: Folks, you guys back next are the show? Sorry,