WEBVTT - Jacqui Fehl Meets World 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:21.599 We were watching Survivor last night, and like, you know, 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:27.200 somebody just was just tanking their own tribe's challenge because she, 0:00:27.360 --> 0:00:28.960 you know, wanted to prove herself being right now. 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:31.400 I was like, cee, Indie, really, so wait, she was 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:33.200 doing like the definition of biting her nose to spite 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:36.720 her face? Yes, and how tell us explain the situation? 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:40.320 Okay, so it's it's Game Changers. This is our second 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:43.080 time watching this season from thirty four. I think it's 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:46.960 Debbie rewatching the season third time. 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:49.000 Oh my god, that must be a really good one. 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:53.159 It's a great season. Ozzie's there, Malcolm just got kicked out. 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:57.680 It's amazing. Anyway, Debbie is just tanking her own team 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:00.120 because they they didn't let her pick, you know, the 0:01:00.200 --> 0:01:03.880 last challenge which position she had, and but you you 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:06.720 watch the playback and she clearly asked to be on 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:09.280 the balance beam and they let her on the balance beam. 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:13.319 But she made it all about Culpepper anyway, so out 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:16.520 of spite, she's like sitting there and I just turned 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:20.480 to India and I'm like, you know, sometimes it's it 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:22.960 feels so good to be right, but wouldn't you rather 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:25.920 just be happy? Like, you know, it's like it's either 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:28.240 happy or right. Sometimes it really does come down to that. 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:29.840 And I was like, and we all do it, We 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:32.400 all so badly want to be right. And it's like 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:35.720 that is way actually almost more of a drive than 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:38.959 being happy, like you feel it in the moment. 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:39.120 More. 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:41.920 It's more like you're adrenaline pushes you to win or 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:44.720 to be right, and it's like it's you need it 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:46.440 and you want it and you're so willing to get 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:50.080 it that you'll completely tank your own interests and your 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:52.600 own happiness. It's awful, But it's like one of those 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:54.320 things like, oh my god, I wish I'd known this 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:56.760 when I was younger. You know, it's like you just 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.440 don't like you just it's so it's such a it's 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:01.440 like a drug, you know, righteousness. 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:03.240 I've never had to deal with that because I'm just 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:07.440 always right and naturally I don't know how it happens. 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:10.440 So I've really never experienced that because I've. 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:11.400 I was right. 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:14.600 I was wrong once nineteen ninety four. It was it 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:15.200 was not great. 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:17.880 Yeah, oh you remember exactly the time. 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:18.800 Well what about you? 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:19.560 When were you wrong? 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:25.880 I've never been right. I've come to that realization. There's 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:30.480 a there's a great Falstaffian kind of joy in knowing 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:33.320 you are never ever right, no matter what you do. 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:36.399 It's so great to just walk through life knowing that, 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:39.680 and then you are really always happy because you won. 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:41.600 You know you're not going to be right, but then 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:44.240 if you are, what a pleasant surprise it is. 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:48.040 But it's also this this there's this this string that 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:51.200 fate has or happiness has, or whatever it is, that 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:56.120 has wrapped tightly and yet suppily around my chest to 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:59.799 where every time I get to the point where I'm like, wow, 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:02.720 actually starting to be happy, something for my past rips 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:06.959 me the back and goes, No, you are an anxiety ridden, 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:10.120 sometimes fat human being who got lucky with your wife. 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:13.760 That's your lot, bro, you don't get anything more than that. 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:19.080 Man this morning Falstaffian and supply has already come out 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:19.679 of Will's mouth. 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:20.640 I am pro stoked. 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:23.600 I am here for he's been reading the thesaurus. 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:26.640 Oh no, he's just it's just on fire. 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:30.639 I love it. Let's go, let's go, let's bring it, Jackie. 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:33.239 Welcome to Pon Meets World. I'm Danielle Fischle. 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:37.120 I'm right strong, and I'm Wilfride When we recently recapped 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:40.680 Shallow Boy and declared it one of our absolute favorite 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:43.000 episodes of Boy Meets World so far. A lot of 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:45.320 things stood out on our first watch in at least 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:48.760 twenty five years. The pure dynamo that was Lesha Haley's 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:53.080 first acting gig, the songwriting of Jeff Sherman, Will's impeccable 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:57.560 comedic timing, even a possible autographed O J Simpson Jersey 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:00.640 on the Wall. But the one thing that had us 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:03.320 scrubbing back on Disney Plus to watch it again and 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:07.600 again for laughs, the hilarious reaction of a Chubby's waitress 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:12.160 trying her hardest to serve tables but also immediately get 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:16.600 Eric that check he needs, and we all knew jack Oh, 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:21.640 so that's so good, and we all knew, Hey, that's Jackie. 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:24.040 She was one of our stand ins and the occasional 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:27.040 background actor who had some lines here and there, but 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:30.920 more importantly than that, we loved her. Luckily, I had 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:33.119 kept in touch with Jackie over the years through social 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:36.280 media and followed her career as she now, like director 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:39.800 Jeff McCracken, has shifted her talents to art as well 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:43.039 as some side work in voiceover and considering we had 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:46.800 dozens of emails praising her reaction acting, which I think 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:51.640 is fair to abbreviate as a reacting. We wanted to 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:54.520 bring her on the podcast and dig deeper into her small, 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:58.159 yet critical role and everything about this lovely person. So 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:01.120 welcome to pod meets World, Jackie Fell. 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:13.760 Oh my god, Hi, that's usually my job. I always 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:14.520 start crying. 0:05:15.000 --> 0:05:20.480 Look amazing, So did you? God? Exactly the same. 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:21.520 So great to. 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:25.080 See you exactly how I imagined you too, looking cool 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:31.080 in a gallery. I love it. Amazing. Are you in 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:32.159 North Carolina? Still? 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:33.880 I am. I'm in Asheville. 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:35.680 Yes, I love Ashville. 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:36.760 You've been here? 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:37.640 Oh yeah? 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:40.559 Yeah? Yeah, but I actually almost went to grad school 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:43.000 there because there's a great writing program that. 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:44.200 What is this? 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:44.720 Is it? 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:49.279 What is the name? Wilson? Wilson wis? Yeah? Anyway? 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:50.040 Yeah? 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:53.200 Amazing, that's so fun. 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:57.200 So, Jackie, I think we have mentioned the job of 0:05:57.360 --> 0:05:59.680 stand in a couple of times on this podcast, but 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:03.720 I I think maybe we've just assumed that people understand 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:07.400 really what that means. So will you start by telling 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:11.240 us exactly what this important job is on a TV show? 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:12.400 Yes? 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:17.320 Okay, So there's kind of two different things. So a 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:20.640 stand in on a sitcom is different than a stand 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:24.599 in on a film show or a movie. So I've 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:28.880 done both. And on a film or a film show, 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:32.719 you don't necessarily know, you don't get a script, you 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:35.840 don't know even if you're coming back. You're just told 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:40.040 show up at this time, report to this person, and 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:43.360 maybe you get the title, and you you don't really know. 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:49.960 And so that is where pretty much you're you're there 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:53.280 for lighting purposes. So the actors will come in rehearse 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:56.000 a scene, and basically as a stand in you work 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:59.520 with the director of photography mostly, so what they do 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:02.120 is they were and then maybe the third camera assistant 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:05.000 will walk around and put little tape marks on all 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:09.120 the key spots that the actors are standing in, so 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:12.480 each like piece of tape would be a different setup, 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:16.120 a different lighting setup. So then once they rehearsed, and 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:18.640 if you're very lucky, they write it down the number 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:21.600 order of those tape because sometimes you look around it's 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:23.920 just like a pile of tape spots all over the floor. 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:28.720 And then when the actors are released, they will say 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:32.720 second team. That's what stand ins are called. Hit mark 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:35.560 number one. You just stand there and they work around 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:38.760 you and you can sometimes talk with the other stand ins. 0:07:38.800 --> 0:07:41.760 You're very quiet, you don't, you know, you just are 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:44.400 there for like you move to you know, spot number two, 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:49.680 just number two. So on a multi camera show, it's 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:55.240 completely different. So there you get a script. You pretty 0:07:55.280 --> 0:07:59.800 much know what's going on all the time, and so 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:05.080 came on for you guys, or because you guys were minors, 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:08.280 so in that sense, when you guys were at school, 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:12.480 that's when they would maybe use us the stand ins. However, 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:17.480 they organized it so well that you guys really did 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:22.239 all your rehearsals. They hardly ever used us for miners 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:26.000 at all. It was usually for guest stars that they 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:29.880 didn't hire for five days. Sometimes it would just be 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:32.280 three days. So we would fill in for the various 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:37.720 guest stars. Uh maybe you weren't even cast yet, and so. 0:08:37.640 --> 0:08:40.720 That was basically acting with us. Yeah, like you in 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:43.480 the scenes all week. So for rehearsals and run through, 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:46.560 you guys would be the guest cast, like our our 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:50.199 troop of stand ins were our sort of like recurring 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:52.600 like our cast. Yeah, our coasts for the whole week. 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:57.760 Yeah, but with zero pressure on us, which was amazing, Like, 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:01.040 you know, it's the easiest job in the world, like 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:05.200 if we have no pressure whatsoever. And what was really 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:08.280 cool is when we were shooting at CBS Radford, I 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:12.839 lived right across the street. I literally walked to work. 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:17.280 And because I was so broke at the time, I 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:20.200 was newly married. My husband was a substitute teacher during 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:22.880 the day and went to school at night to get 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:26.720 his full teaching credential. I would go and show up early, 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:30.360 eat breakfast at Craft Service for free, then at lunch 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:32.880 I'd make another sandwich at Craft Service. I had two 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:39.000 meals that I got no pressure hang around most of 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:42.440 the day. And also your show and the other multi 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:46.360 camera show that I worked on, which was thunder Alley. Yeah, Andrew, Keegan, 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:53.000 Danielle and you guys were so both sets were so 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:58.720 nice that I always felt welcomed, respected, part of a team. 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:01.320 It was really the best experience. 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:03.839 Well that's the thing. I mean, at the end of 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:06.800 the day, we acted with y'all more than we acted 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:09.720 with anybody else. Because you're right, the guest stars would 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:11.320 come in every once in a while, but the team 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:15.520 of stand ins, we were an ensemble for I mean again, 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:17.760 we acted with you all more than we acted with 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:20.680 anybody else. Yeah, never really thought about that before. 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:23.480 It was the best training, honestly. I mean I always 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:26.240 wanted to be an actor, but I knew waiting tables. 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:29.240 What am I going to learn? Nothing where you gonna 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:32.480 like really learn, not just the business, but just how 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:35.079 to be professional, how to be really good. And that's 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:37.200 why I loved working behind the scenes because of the 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:41.480 best education ever. I learned what to do and what 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:42.079 not to do. 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:45.840 Yeah. So what season did you start on boy Meet's 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:46.400 World with us? 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:47.040 So? 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:51.440 I started season three, episode nine, and again I didn't 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:56.640 know that I had the job. It was so I 0:10:56.640 --> 0:10:59.079 think it was Michael Shay that called me in because 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:02.400 I worked with his brother Bill Shay on thunder Ally Okay, 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:04.920 So I think that's how Michael Shea knew who I was. 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:07.720 So it was just, hey, we've got a job for 0:11:07.760 --> 0:11:10.800 you this week. That's all you're told. You're gonna be 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:14.560 standing in for a guest star who was Brittany Murphy 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:17.080 who was not famous. 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:17.960 Right, she was playing Triny. 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:21.840 Yeah, yes, Trieny. And so that was my first and 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:26.439 I remember going on and saying, you know, I'm coming back. 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:29.559 I don't know who was here before me, because then 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:33.360 it was just like, you're free next week, Yes, yes, okay, 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:36.720 you'll be the kids standing. I never knew how long, 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:39.400 and it just was you. Maybe they just will just 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:41.520 keep calling me back. I'll just keep showing up. 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:44.000 So do you remember Brittany at all? 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:48.040 I do? I do. I remember. I pretty much came 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:50.800 home that first week to my husband and I said, 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:55.080 I don't know who this girl is, but she's really funny. 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:58.880 She's got some like she doesn't just play the obvious joke, 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:03.160 she nicles under it. She just was so nuanced and 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:08.000 sophisticated and just so goofy. I was like, I think 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:09.079 she's going to be a star. 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.120 You were right, You were absolutely right. 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:27.439 Did you know anything about Boy Meets World before you started? 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:30.360 Had you ever heard of the show? Nothing? 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:33.920 I had no idea. I thought it was such a 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:37.720 weird title. I had no idea who anybody was. No, 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:40.360 it was just a job. And I don't even remember 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:43.280 if we were shooting at kt LA Disney. I know 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:46.320 it wasn't Radford at that time. Season three was kat 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:47.960 A was kat A? 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:48.480 Yeah? 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:53.840 Were stoked because you were like, oh, yeah, I know, 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:55.079 I want to work. 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:56.080 It was so great. 0:12:57.600 --> 0:12:59.600 And then how long did you stay? You were all 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:01.439 the way through season six? Right or seven? 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:06.120 Don't know, I don't remember. I don't remember. I remember 0:13:06.160 --> 0:13:10.920 it was you know, Jack was there, the red Hair 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:15.120 Maitln was there. 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:16.160 Was well into season six, if not seven, because I 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:18.520 remember you leaving and it was like early and it 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:20.360 was like halfway through the season. I remember being like, 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:21.440 oh my god, Jack, we. 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:23.440 Were seriously bummed. I remember that when you told us 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:24.800 that you were leaving, was like, I know. 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:29.520 I just had to We needed to make the move. 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:33.200 We wanted to start a family. You know, we couldn't 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:35.520 afford to live there. All of our family was on 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:39.400 the East Coast, So yeah, we made a big move. 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:43.960 So as a stand in, do you also work very 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:45.720 closely with the directors? 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:50.760 Well, yeah, not as much on our show because it 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:53.000 was such a well oiled machine. Plus you guys were 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:57.480 older and you didn't So when I worked on thunder Alley, 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:02.640 I stood in or Haley Joel Osmond, who was five 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:05.840 at the time, and I was also his dialogue coach, 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:12.160 and the director was Robbie Benson and he so because 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:15.880 Haley was five there was a lot. He was in 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:18.840 school a lot more so I really did a lot 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:21.520 of his rehearsals for him, and Robbie would give me, 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:24.600 not just like acting notes, he would give me blocking notes, 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:27.800 you know, all kinds of acting notes. Plus Haley was 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:31.360 so young. I would go through the script with him 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:34.320 and he would have his arm around me. And then 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:36.640 I remember one day I show up and he's at 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:39.320 the table and he's got the script and I'm like, Haley, 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:41.480 what are you doing. He's like, oh, I'm reading the 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:46.160 script like you can read. This was like months later. 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:48.880 He never told me he could read. 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:51.280 He's like, yeah, just like when you do it better. 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:53.320 Oh my god. 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:56.680 So other thing I don't think we've talked about enough. 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:59.400 Will you talk about the role of a dialogue coach? 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:02.800 Yes, So I was not a dialogue coach on your show. 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:05.920 I was a dialogue coach on thunder Alley. For it 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:10.040 was basically to run lines to help people memorize their lines. 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:14.200 It wasn't giving them acting notes, and it wasn't dialect coach. 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:17.880 So I wasn't teaching any accents or anything. And with 0:15:18.040 --> 0:15:22.120 Haley's case, he just wasn't on set that much because 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:26.160 he was so young, So Robbie I worked very close 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:30.200 with him, and he would and especially on rehearsals when 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:32.480 the cameras would be there, I'd be way in the 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:34.000 back because I'm a stand in, you know, I'm like 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:36.520 bottom of the barrel. And he would be like, oh, 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:40.560 we need and he would look around Jackie and I yes, yes, Robbie, 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:42.480 and he was like, okay, you know, make sure he 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:44.000 did this and this and this. And I would write 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:46.040 it all down. And it got to the point where 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:48.520 I would be standing next to the director at the 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:51.240 monitors and he would see something. He'd look at me 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:53.240 and I'd be like, yep, I got it. We wouldn't 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:57.240 even talk. It was so rewarding and so wonderful, and 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:01.160 I loved, loved that part of the job. I was 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:05.520 so close with Haley. I ended up my daughter's name 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:11.760 is Haley. Haley was the first maternal stirrings I ever had. 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:16.800 That's so cool. He was at my wedding. 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:19.440 Yeah, yeah, And how old is your Haley? Now? 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:22.640 My Haley is in her first year of medical school. 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:33.320 Oh my god, I was so old. 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:36.240 That's so awesome. Oh my god. 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:40.840 Yeah, I did. I loved doing all that and on 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:45.040 Boy Meets World. What was really cool is uh McCracken 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:49.280 and David Traynor. They were so nice and so treated 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:53.080 us so well that they would throw us voiceover off 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:56.640 camera lines all the time, which was I don't even 0:16:56.640 --> 0:17:00.200 know if Michael Jacobs knew that we were just do 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:02.480 it in the run through and then be like, just 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:02.760 do it. 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:06.000 Pay pump, right, I mean that would. 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:09.440 Yes, and a residual. It was a huge deal. 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:11.240 Thousands of dollars. Yeah. 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:14.119 I remember how excited we would be when one of 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:16.520 the stand ins would get a job on camera too, 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:18.679 because I remember the first time it happened was Model 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:24.680 Family with Matt Kirkwood still in touch with him the greatest. 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:28.679 So he played the photographer and we were all super excited. 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:31.880 We told that story about how you know, Michael was like. 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:32.359 What's going on? 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:34.520 I see him his hairs now his hair's up, and 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:36.480 we saw that get all scared because it's like, oh no, 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:38.000 what's going on. They had him put his hair down. 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:41.680 But the same thing happened to you during Shallow Boy, 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:44.719 No Legend, No. 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:49.000 No, no. So I was technically an extra. I never 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:52.360 had an on camera roll on Boy Meet Swirld I 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:56.239 had many voiceover jobs, so I am so grateful, but 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:59.439 I never got to sit in the makeup share, which wow, 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:02.880 is a dream. Oh No, Basically. 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:07.800 You stole that scene in Shallow as an extra. It's 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:10.480 like Haley and then you the guest stars and that 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:16.680 that's so good. It makes the whole joke. It's so funny. 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:17.280 It does. 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:19.280 And I never just been throughout the week like do 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:21.360 you remember how that happened? Like was that? 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:24.200 Yes? So as a stand in you get a day rate, 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:26.000 and at the time it was like one hundred bucks 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:30.280 a day, and technically you can be used as an extra. 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:33.320 They could force you to be an extra. I didn't 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:35.000 want to be an extra because I wanted to be 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:38.560 an actor and that kind of looked bad. So of 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:41.600 course Steve Hayfer, who I loved and was so kind 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:43.960 and I'm still in contact with him, it was like, Jackie, 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:45.960 we really need you to be a waitress at Chubby's. 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:49.199 And I was like, all right, nothing was written in 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:51.600 the script. It was just to give you somebody to 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:55.960 go check. So I don't think Sherman wrote anything in there. 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:59.120 It was it was Sherman, right, they wrote that. I think, yeah, 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:01.680 there was no direct action. So I thought, well, good god, 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:03.680 if I've got to do this, I might as well 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:06.639 have fun with it. And so I just came up 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:10.240 with that bit, oh just because I was bored, Like 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:13.240 what am I going to do? 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:14.840 Do it during the Did we do it during the 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:16.359 run through? We must have done it during the run 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:18.760 You must have done it during the run through, because yeah, yeah, 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:20.879 because we wouldn't have put you in through wardrobe and 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:22.280 put you in the scene unless they were like, you 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:23.520 didn't have to have this beat. 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:27.399 I had no wardrobe, no makeup, no, because I was 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:27.919 an extra. 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:30.920 But didn't you but that You're wearing a waitress outfit, right, 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:31.760 so you had to have. 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:34.040 Like they give me an they gave her an apron. 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:38.199 Oh yeah, I know. It was so funny, But I 0:19:38.359 --> 0:19:41.440 was just technically, uh, I guess it's background actor. 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:44.040 When I started, it was features background actor. 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:45.480 But if you were being paid as a stand and 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:47.360 then you wouldn't have even been paid as a background 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:47.879 extra for. 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:50.320 That, not at all, right, you were I was just 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:52.040 counted as part of your job. 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:54.960 The voiceovers that you would get, like what were the 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:56.439 voiceover the off camera stuff? 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:59.359 All of your family at the trailer Park. It was 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:01.840 kind of lot. Can't you down? There was a you know, 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:06.720 neighbor or something screaming that was me. Then I was 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:13.360 all the TV show commercials like, uh, you're singled out? 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:16.600 I think I singled out, singled out? There was I 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:20.400 was on the Witches of Pembrook. I was enraging Corey 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:25.320 Flamingo kid. I don't know, it's like six Maybe that's 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:25.840 so fun. 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:27.919 Voiceovers The best job in the world, isn't it. It 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:29.399 is the best job in the world. 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:31.800 And Jackie, that's what you've been doing a lot now, right, 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:33.520 So talk to us about your voiceover work. 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:37.600 Yes, so I I am A was a full time 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:40.200 voiceover talent for twenty five years. 0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:41.680 Isn't that the best? It's the bad? 0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:44.080 Leave LA to make it as. 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:46.200 So where it goes. 0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:50.680 But I will share a little story with you about 0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:55.960 pretty much a life changing moment that I had of 0:20:56.960 --> 0:20:59.040 it changed my life and how I was going to 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:02.320 show up. Is that okay for me to tell me 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:04.359 this story? Okay? So, I don't know if this was 0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:07.840 in our one of the hiatuses or whatnot. Maybe it 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:09.600 was before I start on Boy Meets World. But I 0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:12.840 get a call when you do as a stand in 0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:17.000 on this you know movie. Okay, here's who you report to. 0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:19.480 I had no idea anything, so I report and it 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:21.959 turns out that the show had been it was a movie, 0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:26.000 and I was replacing somebody that got fired, so already 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:32.040