1 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: We were watching Survivor last night, and like, you know, 2 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: somebody just was just tanking their own tribe's challenge because she, 3 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: you know, wanted to prove herself being right now. 4 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 2: I was like, cee, Indie, really, so wait, she was 5 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 2: doing like the definition of biting her nose to spite 6 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 2: her face? Yes, and how tell us explain the situation? 7 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: Okay, so it's it's Game Changers. This is our second 8 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: time watching this season from thirty four. I think it's 9 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: Debbie rewatching the season third time. 10 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 3: Oh my god, that must be a really good one. 11 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: It's a great season. Ozzie's there, Malcolm just got kicked out. 12 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: It's amazing. Anyway, Debbie is just tanking her own team 13 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 1: because they they didn't let her pick, you know, the 14 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: last challenge which position she had, and but you you 15 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: watch the playback and she clearly asked to be on 16 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: the balance beam and they let her on the balance beam. 17 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: But she made it all about Culpepper anyway, so out 18 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: of spite, she's like sitting there and I just turned 19 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: to India and I'm like, you know, sometimes it's it 20 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 1: feels so good to be right, but wouldn't you rather 21 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: just be happy? Like, you know, it's like it's either 22 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: happy or right. Sometimes it really does come down to that. 23 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: And I was like, and we all do it, We 24 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: all so badly want to be right. And it's like 25 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: that is way actually almost more of a drive than 26 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 1: being happy, like you feel it in the moment. 27 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 4: More. 28 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: It's more like you're adrenaline pushes you to win or 29 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: to be right, and it's like it's you need it 30 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: and you want it and you're so willing to get 31 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: it that you'll completely tank your own interests and your 32 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: own happiness. It's awful, But it's like one of those 33 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: things like, oh my god, I wish I'd known this 34 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: when I was younger. You know, it's like you just 35 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: don't like you just it's so it's such a it's 36 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: like a drug, you know, righteousness. 37 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 2: I've never had to deal with that because I'm just 38 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 2: always right and naturally I don't know how it happens. 39 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 3: So I've really never experienced that because I've. 40 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 4: I was right. 41 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: I was wrong once nineteen ninety four. It was it 42 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: was not great. 43 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh you remember exactly the time. 44 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 4: Well what about you? 45 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 3: When were you wrong? 46 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 5: I've never been right. I've come to that realization. There's 47 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 5: a there's a great Falstaffian kind of joy in knowing 48 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 5: you are never ever right, no matter what you do. 49 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,399 Speaker 2: It's so great to just walk through life knowing that, 50 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 2: and then you are really always happy because you won. 51 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 2: You know you're not going to be right, but then 52 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 2: if you are, what a pleasant surprise it is. 53 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 5: But it's also this this there's this this string that 54 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 5: fate has or happiness has, or whatever it is, that 55 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 5: has wrapped tightly and yet suppily around my chest to 56 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 5: where every time I get to the point where I'm like, wow, 57 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 5: actually starting to be happy, something for my past rips 58 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,959 Speaker 5: me the back and goes, No, you are an anxiety ridden, 59 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 5: sometimes fat human being who got lucky with your wife. 60 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 5: That's your lot, bro, you don't get anything more than that. 61 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: Man this morning Falstaffian and supply has already come out 62 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:19,679 Speaker 1: of Will's mouth. 63 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 5: I am pro stoked. 64 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 2: I am here for he's been reading the thesaurus. 65 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: Oh no, he's just it's just on fire. 66 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 5: I love it. Let's go, let's go, let's bring it, Jackie. 67 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 3: Welcome to Pon Meets World. I'm Danielle Fischle. 68 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 2: I'm right strong, and I'm Wilfride When we recently recapped 69 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 2: Shallow Boy and declared it one of our absolute favorite 70 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 2: episodes of Boy Meets World so far. A lot of 71 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 2: things stood out on our first watch in at least 72 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 2: twenty five years. The pure dynamo that was Lesha Haley's 73 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 2: first acting gig, the songwriting of Jeff Sherman, Will's impeccable 74 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 2: comedic timing, even a possible autographed O J Simpson Jersey 75 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 2: on the Wall. But the one thing that had us 76 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 2: scrubbing back on Disney Plus to watch it again and 77 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 2: again for laughs, the hilarious reaction of a Chubby's waitress 78 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 2: trying her hardest to serve tables but also immediately get 79 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 2: Eric that check he needs, and we all knew jack Oh, 80 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 2: so that's so good, and we all knew, Hey, that's Jackie. 81 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 2: She was one of our stand ins and the occasional 82 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 2: background actor who had some lines here and there, but 83 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 2: more importantly than that, we loved her. Luckily, I had 84 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,119 Speaker 2: kept in touch with Jackie over the years through social 85 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 2: media and followed her career as she now, like director 86 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 2: Jeff McCracken, has shifted her talents to art as well 87 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 2: as some side work in voiceover and considering we had 88 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 2: dozens of emails praising her reaction acting, which I think 89 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 2: is fair to abbreviate as a reacting. We wanted to 90 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 2: bring her on the podcast and dig deeper into her small, 91 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 2: yet critical role and everything about this lovely person. So 92 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 2: welcome to pod meets World, Jackie Fell. 93 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 6: Oh my god, Hi, that's usually my job. I always 94 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 6: start crying. 95 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 4: Look amazing, So did you? God? Exactly the same. 96 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 5: So great to. 97 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: See you exactly how I imagined you too, looking cool 98 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: in a gallery. I love it. Amazing. Are you in 99 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: North Carolina? Still? 100 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 4: I am. I'm in Asheville. 101 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: Yes, I love Ashville. 102 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 4: You've been here? 103 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 5: Oh yeah? 104 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,559 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, but I actually almost went to grad school 105 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: there because there's a great writing program that. 106 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 5: What is this? 107 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 4: Is it? 108 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: What is the name? Wilson? Wilson wis? Yeah? Anyway? 109 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 5: Yeah? 110 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: Amazing, that's so fun. 111 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 2: So, Jackie, I think we have mentioned the job of 112 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 2: stand in a couple of times on this podcast, but 113 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 2: I I think maybe we've just assumed that people understand 114 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 2: really what that means. So will you start by telling 115 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 2: us exactly what this important job is on a TV show? 116 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 5: Yes? 117 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 4: Okay, So there's kind of two different things. So a 118 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 4: stand in on a sitcom is different than a stand 119 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 4: in on a film show or a movie. So I've 120 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 4: done both. And on a film or a film show, 121 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 4: you don't necessarily know, you don't get a script, you 122 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 4: don't know even if you're coming back. You're just told 123 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 4: show up at this time, report to this person, and 124 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 4: maybe you get the title, and you you don't really know. 125 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 4: And so that is where pretty much you're you're there 126 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 4: for lighting purposes. So the actors will come in rehearse 127 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 4: a scene, and basically as a stand in you work 128 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 4: with the director of photography mostly, so what they do 129 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 4: is they were and then maybe the third camera assistant 130 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 4: will walk around and put little tape marks on all 131 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 4: the key spots that the actors are standing in, so 132 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 4: each like piece of tape would be a different setup, 133 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 4: a different lighting setup. So then once they rehearsed, and 134 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 4: if you're very lucky, they write it down the number 135 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 4: order of those tape because sometimes you look around it's 136 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 4: just like a pile of tape spots all over the floor. 137 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 4: And then when the actors are released, they will say 138 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 4: second team. That's what stand ins are called. Hit mark 139 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 4: number one. You just stand there and they work around 140 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 4: you and you can sometimes talk with the other stand ins. 141 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 4: You're very quiet, you don't, you know, you just are 142 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 4: there for like you move to you know, spot number two, 143 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 4: just number two. So on a multi camera show, it's 144 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 4: completely different. So there you get a script. You pretty 145 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 4: much know what's going on all the time, and so 146 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 4: came on for you guys, or because you guys were minors, 147 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 4: so in that sense, when you guys were at school, 148 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 4: that's when they would maybe use us the stand ins. However, 149 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 4: they organized it so well that you guys really did 150 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:22,239 Speaker 4: all your rehearsals. They hardly ever used us for miners 151 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 4: at all. It was usually for guest stars that they 152 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 4: didn't hire for five days. Sometimes it would just be 153 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 4: three days. So we would fill in for the various 154 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 4: guest stars. Uh maybe you weren't even cast yet, and so. 155 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: That was basically acting with us. Yeah, like you in 156 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: the scenes all week. So for rehearsals and run through, 157 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 1: you guys would be the guest cast, like our our 158 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 1: troop of stand ins were our sort of like recurring 159 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: like our cast. Yeah, our coasts for the whole week. 160 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, but with zero pressure on us, which was amazing, Like, 161 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 4: you know, it's the easiest job in the world, like 162 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 4: if we have no pressure whatsoever. And what was really 163 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 4: cool is when we were shooting at CBS Radford, I 164 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:12,839 Speaker 4: lived right across the street. I literally walked to work. 165 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 4: And because I was so broke at the time, I 166 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 4: was newly married. My husband was a substitute teacher during 167 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 4: the day and went to school at night to get 168 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 4: his full teaching credential. I would go and show up early, 169 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 4: eat breakfast at Craft Service for free, then at lunch 170 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 4: I'd make another sandwich at Craft Service. I had two 171 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 4: meals that I got no pressure hang around most of 172 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 4: the day. And also your show and the other multi 173 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 4: camera show that I worked on, which was thunder Alley. Yeah, Andrew, Keegan, 174 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 4: Danielle and you guys were so both sets were so 175 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 4: nice that I always felt welcomed, respected, part of a team. 176 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 4: It was really the best experience. 177 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:03,839 Speaker 5: Well that's the thing. I mean, at the end of 178 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 5: the day, we acted with y'all more than we acted 179 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 5: with anybody else. Because you're right, the guest stars would 180 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 5: come in every once in a while, but the team 181 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 5: of stand ins, we were an ensemble for I mean again, 182 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 5: we acted with you all more than we acted with 183 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 5: anybody else. Yeah, never really thought about that before. 184 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 4: It was the best training, honestly. I mean I always 185 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 4: wanted to be an actor, but I knew waiting tables. 186 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 4: What am I going to learn? Nothing where you gonna 187 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 4: like really learn, not just the business, but just how 188 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 4: to be professional, how to be really good. And that's 189 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 4: why I loved working behind the scenes because of the 190 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 4: best education ever. I learned what to do and what 191 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 4: not to do. 192 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. So what season did you start on boy Meet's 193 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 3: World with us? 194 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 5: So? 195 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 4: I started season three, episode nine, and again I didn't 196 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 4: know that I had the job. It was so I 197 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 4: think it was Michael Shay that called me in because 198 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 4: I worked with his brother Bill Shay on thunder Ally Okay, 199 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 4: So I think that's how Michael Shea knew who I was. 200 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 4: So it was just, hey, we've got a job for 201 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 4: you this week. That's all you're told. You're gonna be 202 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 4: standing in for a guest star who was Brittany Murphy 203 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 4: who was not famous. 204 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 3: Right, she was playing Triny. 205 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, Trieny. And so that was my first and 206 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:26,439 Speaker 4: I remember going on and saying, you know, I'm coming back. 207 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 4: I don't know who was here before me, because then 208 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 4: it was just like, you're free next week, Yes, yes, okay, 209 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 4: you'll be the kids standing. I never knew how long, 210 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 4: and it just was you. Maybe they just will just 211 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 4: keep calling me back. I'll just keep showing up. 212 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 3: So do you remember Brittany at all? 213 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 4: I do? I do. I remember. I pretty much came 214 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 4: home that first week to my husband and I said, 215 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 4: I don't know who this girl is, but she's really funny. 216 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 4: She's got some like she doesn't just play the obvious joke, 217 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 4: she nicles under it. She just was so nuanced and 218 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 4: sophisticated and just so goofy. I was like, I think 219 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:09,079 Speaker 4: she's going to be a star. 220 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 3: You were right, You were absolutely right. 221 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,439 Speaker 2: Did you know anything about Boy Meets World before you started? 222 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 3: Had you ever heard of the show? Nothing? 223 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 4: I had no idea. I thought it was such a 224 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 4: weird title. I had no idea who anybody was. No, 225 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 4: it was just a job. And I don't even remember 226 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 4: if we were shooting at kt LA Disney. I know 227 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 4: it wasn't Radford at that time. Season three was kat 228 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 4: A was kat A? 229 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 5: Yeah? 230 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: Were stoked because you were like, oh, yeah, I know, 231 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 1: I want to work. 232 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 5: It was so great. 233 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: And then how long did you stay? You were all 234 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 1: the way through season six? Right or seven? 235 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 4: Don't know, I don't remember. I don't remember. I remember 236 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 4: it was you know, Jack was there, the red Hair 237 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 4: Maitln was there. 238 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: Was well into season six, if not seven, because I 239 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: remember you leaving and it was like early and it 240 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: was like halfway through the season. I remember being like, 241 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: oh my god, Jack, we. 242 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 5: Were seriously bummed. I remember that when you told us 243 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 5: that you were leaving, was like, I know. 244 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 4: I just had to We needed to make the move. 245 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 4: We wanted to start a family. You know, we couldn't 246 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 4: afford to live there. All of our family was on 247 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 4: the East Coast, So yeah, we made a big move. 248 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 2: So as a stand in, do you also work very 249 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 2: closely with the directors? 250 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, not as much on our show because it 251 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 4: was such a well oiled machine. Plus you guys were 252 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 4: older and you didn't So when I worked on thunder Alley, 253 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 4: I stood in or Haley Joel Osmond, who was five 254 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 4: at the time, and I was also his dialogue coach, 255 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 4: and the director was Robbie Benson and he so because 256 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 4: Haley was five there was a lot. He was in 257 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 4: school a lot more so I really did a lot 258 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 4: of his rehearsals for him, and Robbie would give me, 259 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 4: not just like acting notes, he would give me blocking notes, 260 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 4: you know, all kinds of acting notes. Plus Haley was 261 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 4: so young. I would go through the script with him 262 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 4: and he would have his arm around me. And then 263 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 4: I remember one day I show up and he's at 264 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 4: the table and he's got the script and I'm like, Haley, 265 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 4: what are you doing. He's like, oh, I'm reading the 266 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 4: script like you can read. This was like months later. 267 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 7: He never told me he could read. 268 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 4: He's like, yeah, just like when you do it better. 269 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 4: Oh my god. 270 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 2: So other thing I don't think we've talked about enough. 271 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 2: Will you talk about the role of a dialogue coach? 272 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 4: Yes, So I was not a dialogue coach on your show. 273 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 4: I was a dialogue coach on thunder Alley. For it 274 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 4: was basically to run lines to help people memorize their lines. 275 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 4: It wasn't giving them acting notes, and it wasn't dialect coach. 276 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 4: So I wasn't teaching any accents or anything. And with 277 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 4: Haley's case, he just wasn't on set that much because 278 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 4: he was so young, So Robbie I worked very close 279 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 4: with him, and he would and especially on rehearsals when 280 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 4: the cameras would be there, I'd be way in the 281 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 4: back because I'm a stand in, you know, I'm like 282 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 4: bottom of the barrel. And he would be like, oh, 283 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 4: we need and he would look around Jackie and I yes, yes, Robbie, 284 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 4: and he was like, okay, you know, make sure he 285 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 4: did this and this and this. And I would write 286 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 4: it all down. And it got to the point where 287 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 4: I would be standing next to the director at the 288 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 4: monitors and he would see something. He'd look at me 289 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 4: and I'd be like, yep, I got it. We wouldn't 290 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 4: even talk. It was so rewarding and so wonderful, and 291 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 4: I loved, loved that part of the job. I was 292 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 4: so close with Haley. I ended up my daughter's name 293 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 4: is Haley. Haley was the first maternal stirrings I ever had. 294 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 4: That's so cool. He was at my wedding. 295 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And how old is your Haley? Now? 296 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 4: My Haley is in her first year of medical school. 297 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 8: Oh my god, I was so old. 298 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: That's so awesome. Oh my god. 299 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, I did. I loved doing all that and on 300 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 4: Boy Meets World. What was really cool is uh McCracken 301 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 4: and David Traynor. They were so nice and so treated 302 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 4: us so well that they would throw us voiceover off 303 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 4: camera lines all the time, which was I don't even 304 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 4: know if Michael Jacobs knew that we were just do 305 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 4: it in the run through and then be like, just 306 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 4: do it. 307 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: Pay pump, right, I mean that would. 308 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 4: Yes, and a residual. It was a huge deal. 309 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: Thousands of dollars. Yeah. 310 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 5: I remember how excited we would be when one of 311 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 5: the stand ins would get a job on camera too, 312 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 5: because I remember the first time it happened was Model 313 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 5: Family with Matt Kirkwood still in touch with him the greatest. 314 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 5: So he played the photographer and we were all super excited. 315 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 5: We told that story about how you know, Michael was like. 316 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 1: What's going on? 317 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 5: I see him his hairs now his hair's up, and 318 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 5: we saw that get all scared because it's like, oh no, 319 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 5: what's going on. They had him put his hair down. 320 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 5: But the same thing happened to you during Shallow Boy, 321 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,719 Speaker 5: No Legend, No. 322 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 4: No, no. So I was technically an extra. I never 323 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,360 Speaker 4: had an on camera roll on Boy Meet Swirld I 324 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:56,239 Speaker 4: had many voiceover jobs, so I am so grateful, but 325 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 4: I never got to sit in the makeup share, which wow, 326 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 4: is a dream. Oh No, Basically. 327 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: You stole that scene in Shallow as an extra. It's 328 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: like Haley and then you the guest stars and that 329 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 1: that's so good. It makes the whole joke. It's so funny. 330 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 5: It does. 331 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: And I never just been throughout the week like do 332 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 1: you remember how that happened? Like was that? 333 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 4: Yes? So as a stand in you get a day rate, 334 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 4: and at the time it was like one hundred bucks 335 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 4: a day, and technically you can be used as an extra. 336 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 4: They could force you to be an extra. I didn't 337 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 4: want to be an extra because I wanted to be 338 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 4: an actor and that kind of looked bad. So of 339 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 4: course Steve Hayfer, who I loved and was so kind 340 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 4: and I'm still in contact with him, it was like, Jackie, 341 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 4: we really need you to be a waitress at Chubby's. 342 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 4: And I was like, all right, nothing was written in 343 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 4: the script. It was just to give you somebody to 344 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 4: go check. So I don't think Sherman wrote anything in there. 345 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 4: It was it was Sherman, right, they wrote that. I think, yeah, 346 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 4: there was no direct action. So I thought, well, good god, 347 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 4: if I've got to do this, I might as well 348 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 4: have fun with it. And so I just came up 349 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 4: with that bit, oh just because I was bored, Like 350 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 4: what am I going to do? 351 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: Do it during the Did we do it during the 352 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: run through? We must have done it during the run 353 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: You must have done it during the run through, because yeah, yeah, 354 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: because we wouldn't have put you in through wardrobe and 355 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: put you in the scene unless they were like, you 356 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: didn't have to have this beat. 357 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 4: I had no wardrobe, no makeup, no, because I was 358 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 4: an extra. 359 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: But didn't you but that You're wearing a waitress outfit, right, 360 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: so you had to have. 361 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 3: Like they give me an they gave her an apron. 362 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,199 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I know. It was so funny, But I 363 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 4: was just technically, uh, I guess it's background actor. 364 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 3: When I started, it was features background actor. 365 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: But if you were being paid as a stand and 366 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 1: then you wouldn't have even been paid as a background 367 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 1: extra for. 368 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 2: That, not at all, right, you were I was just 369 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 2: counted as part of your job. 370 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: The voiceovers that you would get, like what were the 371 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 1: voiceover the off camera stuff? 372 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 4: All of your family at the trailer Park. It was 373 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 4: kind of lot. Can't you down? There was a you know, 374 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 4: neighbor or something screaming that was me. Then I was 375 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 4: all the TV show commercials like, uh, you're singled out? 376 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 4: I think I singled out, singled out? There was I 377 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 4: was on the Witches of Pembrook. I was enraging Corey 378 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 4: Flamingo kid. I don't know, it's like six Maybe that's 379 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 4: so fun. 380 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 5: Voiceovers The best job in the world, isn't it. It 381 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 5: is the best job in the world. 382 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 2: And Jackie, that's what you've been doing a lot now, right, 383 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 2: So talk to us about your voiceover work. 384 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 4: Yes, so I I am A was a full time 385 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 4: voiceover talent for twenty five years. 386 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 5: Isn't that the best? It's the bad? 387 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 4: Leave LA to make it as. 388 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 1: So where it goes. 389 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 4: But I will share a little story with you about 390 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 4: pretty much a life changing moment that I had of 391 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 4: it changed my life and how I was going to 392 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 4: show up. Is that okay for me to tell me 393 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 4: this story? Okay? So, I don't know if this was 394 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 4: in our one of the hiatuses or whatnot. Maybe it 395 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 4: was before I start on Boy Meets World. But I 396 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 4: get a call when you do as a stand in 397 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 4: on this you know movie. Okay, here's who you report to. 398 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 4: I had no idea anything, so I report and it 399 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,959 Speaker 4: turns out that the show had been it was a movie, 400 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 4: and I was replacing somebody that got fired, so already 401 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 4: I'm terrified. Oh my god. I was tending an actress 402 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 4: who was a child actress who was now an adult transitioned. 403 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 4: She was stunningly beautiful. I was so excited to be there, 404 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 4: and she just would not look at me, would not 405 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 4: say hello, we would you know pass I would you know, 406 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 4: leave the mark and she would take over. She just 407 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 4: looked beyond me, and I thought, okay, I have no 408 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 4: idea what happened to the other person. I just played 409 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 4: it really cool, just minded my own business, so stayed 410 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 4: out of her way. And there was one scene where 411 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 4: it was kind of a stunt where she was on 412 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 4: this swing and she had a fall down, like flying 413 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 4: off the swing and landed in this dirt and leaves, 414 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 4: and the DP said to me, the director of photography, 415 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 4: I really need to set up this shot. It's going 416 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 4: to be an extreme close up of her face on 417 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 4: the ground. Can you help me do this? So for 418 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 4: I for like hours, I was flying off the swing 419 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 4: into the dirt. I was bruised, I had twigs in 420 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 4: my hair. I'm a prap bloodied. It was a night shoot. 421 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 4: I was freezing. So they bring her out. We'll just 422 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 4: call her Jane Jane. So she comes out and the 423 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 4: DP says, Jackie's going to show you where your mark is, 424 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 4: how we rehearsed it. It's really important that you land 425 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 4: on this mark. So she's standing there and I do 426 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 4: the whole thing for her, and I'm covered in mud. 427 00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 4: I'm on the ground and I look up and she's 428 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 4: literally really standing over me, and she goes, that's the 429 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 4: worst job in the world. I was like, are you 430 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 4: freaking kidding me? 431 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 5: Oh my god. 432 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 4: She was in her twenties, making thousands and thousands of dollars. 433 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 4: I was making maybe one hundred bucks a day, much 434 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 4: older than her. That night, we were walking to our 435 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 4: cars at the same time, and I hung way back 436 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 4: so she wouldn't see me. We're walking up and she, 437 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 4: you know, turns into this like gorgeous sports car and 438 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 4: I turned into my beat up Hyundai that was dented, 439 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 4: no air conditioning, no radio. First car I ever had, 440 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 4: the car I had the entire time for ten years 441 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,479 Speaker 4: that I was in LA. That's how broke I was. 442 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 4: And she got in her car and I literally got 443 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 4: down on my knees in the middle of the street 444 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 4: and I said, God, Universe, please let me be an actor. 445 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 4: I will be on time, I will be professional, I 446 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 4: will be respectful, I will be grateful. I may not 447 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 4: be the best actor I may, but I will be 448 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 4: kind to everyone. Never forgot that, and to this day, 449 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 4: I've never been late for a job ever. I've never complained. 450 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 4: I have been kind to whoever was on the totem pole, 451 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 4: and I have been so professional so that well, and 452 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 4: you know, I never said her name. I never told 453 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 4: anybody who it was, because honestly, I don't know if 454 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 4: she was going through she had a long career after it. 455 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 4: I don't know if she was you know, I didn't 456 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 4: want to do the movie. It was awful. I know 457 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 4: if she was contractually buying, you know, buying to that, 458 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 4: or if she broke up with her boyfriend, or if 459 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 4: she lost her reund like, I don't know what her 460 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 4: story was. So I'm going to give her the benefit 461 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 4: of the doubt that it wasn't me. It was just 462 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 4: a time in her life. So I took it as like, 463 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 4: what a great teaching moment that I you know, you 464 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 4: guys modeled really how to be awesome and respectful and 465 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 4: professional and kind. And she showed me the other side 466 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 4: of it, and I was like, Okay, I've seen this, 467 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 4: I know what to do. And so that was a 468 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 4: big turning point for me. 469 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 1: That's amazing. I know you said that we modeled kind of, 470 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: but we we must have been clueless to such a 471 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 1: degree just as kids, I mean as teenagers. I mean 472 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: like there was no you know, we're sitting there and 473 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: we've talked about like our amazing parking spots with ours, 474 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 1: and we drive up. Meanwhile you're like taking extra meals 475 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: that you can from craft Service. You're like basically, you know, 476 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: hoarding sandwiches from Craig Right, that like disconnect must have 477 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: been palpable for you in a way that we had 478 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: no idea because we in our naivete we like we're 479 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: all equals and we're all having fun, but we're clue. 480 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 1: That must have been Was that hard for you or 481 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: weird for you or did you ever feel like you 482 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 1: wanted to just smack us? 483 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 4: Not you guys? Uh, personally, I had a lot of 484 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 4: shame around it because you know, I wanted to be 485 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 4: something I couldn't I didn't have the opportunity to be. 486 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 4: But so, like I said, there were some people that 487 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 4: I don't want to say they were clueless, but they 488 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 4: were just so self absorbed. You guys just were kind. 489 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 4: You didn't it never occurred to you because that wasn't 490 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 4: your reality. But you didn't make me feel bad or 491 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 4: less or I just kept that to myself. Nobody knew. 492 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 4: That was just you know, where I was in my life. 493 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 4: But you guys were awesome, always kind and professional and 494 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 4: God made me laugh all the time. 495 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 5: I was just I remember that quite a bit. I 496 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 5: remember that quite a bit. You and I hung out 497 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 5: a lot because aside, yeah, because it was it was 498 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 5: the again they were sometimes they were in school still 499 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 5: or especially by third season. So I just remember you 500 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 5: and I having some great conversations and stuff about your art, 501 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 5: and I mean we, yeah, we talked a lot, you 502 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 5: and I. It was it was a ton of fun. 503 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 5: I just remember it fully enjoying that. And so I 504 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 5: know we're going to get into your art, but I 505 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 5: have a story that I doubt you'll remember but it 506 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 5: was very important in my life. So you were you 507 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 5: would come in at the time you were doing beaded pouches. 508 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:33,959 Speaker 5: You were selling. You were selling these really cool handmade 509 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 5: so you had one that was really really cool. And 510 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,919 Speaker 5: I had this idea that I wanted to do. So 511 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 5: the day that there was a movie that we all 512 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 5: auditioned for called Trojan War. And making the transition at 513 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 5: the time from being a television actor to a film 514 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 5: actor was a very big deal. And I booked Trojan 515 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 5: War and I signed a three picture deal with Warner Brothers. 516 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 5: Oh my god. So I yeah, no. If you're like, wow, 517 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 5: Trojan War, I've never seen it, No one has, but 518 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 5: I went to you. This was so the when I 519 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 5: found out I was going to be doing the movie, 520 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 5: I bought one of your beaded pouches and I took 521 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 5: I took the date that I got the job from 522 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 5: a calendar, and I folded it up and I put 523 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 5: it in your beaded pouch and I gave it to 524 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 5: my mom as a gift. So she opened the pouch 525 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 5: and she took off the first She's like, God, this 526 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 5: is beautiful. And I was like, well, there's something inside 527 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 5: for you, and she opened it up and there was 528 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 5: the date, and I said, that's the date I booked 529 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 5: the thing. But and she still has it. I saw 530 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 5: it was and she still has the date is still 531 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 5: in your perfect It's a black and white little beaded 532 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 5: pouch that is just still perfectly handmade, and it's in 533 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 5: my mom's jewelry box and she still has it there 534 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 5: to this day. So I literally just saw it. 535 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: Oh you yeah. 536 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 4: Now you know I needed the money, but it was so. 537 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 5: Special to me that I remember being like, I need 538 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 5: to take this and I need to put this special 539 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 5: date inside. And that was the gift from my mom 540 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 5: was your beating. 541 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 4: Oh thank you so much. That's so sweet. 542 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 5: Yeah. 543 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 4: I also worked as a cigarette girl. Uh yeah during 544 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 4: Boy Meets World. 545 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 3: I remember that you had the tray. 546 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 5: Oh okay, the life I was like a cigarette. 547 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: They haven't like I don't remember anybody had my cigarettes what. 548 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 4: Like the fifties costume. I would work like Monday nights 549 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 4: from ten to three in the morning. Uh, just for 550 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 4: that extra money. And it was so funny because I, 551 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 4: you know, I had the whole tray, all these cigarettes 552 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 4: and candy, and I wasn't interested in like meeting, you know, 553 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 4: going to raves. I was there like I'm gonna make money, 554 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:40,959 Speaker 4: Like I wanted to go to the best club. So 555 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 4: I would stand literally in front of and next to 556 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 4: the cigarette machine with my whole tray of cigarettes. So 557 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 4: my cigarettes were like two seventy five, no, three twenty five, 558 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 4: and the cigarette machine was two twenty five. So I 559 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 4: would stand there and people would come up to the 560 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 4: cigarette machine. I'd be like really, and I'd be like, 561 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 4: all right, yeah, I'll take what you So I would 562 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 4: like pack it, open it, light it for them. They 563 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 4: would give me like a five dollars and I would 564 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 4: just go thank you, and they would be like uh, 565 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh you want to change. 566 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 3: They're like that's. 567 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 5: Likely people into tips. 568 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. 569 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 5: Where was this in La? Where was this? 570 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 4: Yeah? Well it was I think it was called the 571 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 4: China Club. It was something in Beverly Hills. I didn't 572 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 4: want to work any of the other hip, you know, 573 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 4: young people clubs. I wanted where the most money was. 574 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 3: So I was a club. 575 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: Yeah wait, how did you get a job like that? 576 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: Was there like a cigarette girl agency? That was like 577 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: sending people? 578 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 4: Yes, Miss Kidney's concessions, you guys. I had so many 579 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 4: weird jobs. I also worked the William Morris Agency, do 580 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 4: you know what? So I totally like faked my way 581 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 4: into that job too, Like this has been my mo 582 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 4: my whole life. It's like, Okay, how can I like 583 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 4: get in through the back door and like figure out 584 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 4: a creative way because I'm never going to be an 585 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 4: actor waiting tables or doing it the traditional way. I'm 586 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 4: just going to learn from the inside out. So sorry, 587 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 4: I got so many stories, you guys. It just cut 588 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 4: me off and we're like going to the boy. 589 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: That's what we're here for. 590 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 4: So basically, right out of college, I moved to LA. 591 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 4: I had no family support. I was completely broke. I 592 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 4: crashed with like a friend, you know, like sleeping on 593 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 4: her couch. I eventually got an apartment and I had 594 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 4: no car in La. So I went to a temp agency, 595 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 4: had no idea what was going on. They're like, okay, 596 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 4: we have an opening at the William Morris Agency. You're 597 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 4: going to be subbing at a new agent's desk for 598 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 4: a few days. I'm like, no, kad, no idea what 599 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 4: it was. So I show up and I'm like, ooh, 600 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 4: I took a bus. So that was like an hour 601 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 4: early ahead of me. So I took a bus. I'm 602 00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 4: in Beverly Hills. I'm like, oh, this is a big deal. 603 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 4: So I sit on the desk and looking around and 604 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 4: they're like, all you have to do is just answer phones. He's, 605 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 4: you know, gonna be interview. He was a new agent. 606 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 4: His name was Rick. He was kind of like Matthew Perry. 607 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 4: He looked like a blonde Matthew Perry and he had 608 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 4: the same irreverent sense of humor. And so he was 609 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 4: brand new. So he got like a ton of jobs that, 610 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 4: like the other agents didn't want, so he was really 611 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 4: like trying to juggle everything. He'd be like, okay, here's 612 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 4: a list of actors. There's the headshot room. It was 613 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 4: in the commercial and voiceover department. He's like, just go 614 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 4: pull the headshots, put them in an envelope, and then 615 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 4: send them to dispatch. You know, I'm like okay. So 616 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 4: as I was doing all that stuff and just answer 617 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 4: the phones, he was interviewing for a full time assistant. 618 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 4: So he was so funny. I had such a great 619 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 4: time with him. So I kept calling up that temp 620 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 4: agency and I said hey, make sure you put me 621 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 4: on this guy's desk tomorrow. They're like, okay, So Rick's office, 622 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 4: So he would be facing the door and whoever was 623 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 4: interviewing would have their back to the door. So I 624 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 4: had one of those like rolling chairs, so as he 625 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 4: was interviewing, I would literally roll past the doorway and 626 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 4: I'd be like and I was just making him laugh 627 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 4: the whole time. Oh, and I was like, So finally, 628 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 4: after three days he comes out and he goes, do 629 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 4: you just want this job? I'm like, oh, yeah, fu, 630 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 4: you never ask. So I got the job and like 631 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 4: a week later, you know, we didn't even have computers. 632 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 4: This is like eighty nine or something. So I'm at 633 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,719 Speaker 4: the typewriter typing up a contract he gave me, and 634 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 4: he's standing over me. He's like, you have no idea 635 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 4: how to type? Do you? 636 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 5: Like? 637 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 4: No, He's like, you've never been an administrative assistant, have you? 638 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: Yeah? 639 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 4: Okay? Great? And I was there for We had the 640 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 4: best time. He gave me so much responsibility because he 641 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 4: was so busy. And then about a year later I 642 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 4: got pulled in you know, you know, the whole famous 643 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 4: like male you know that William Morris back in the day. 644 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 4: You would do mailroom dispatch junior agent. Then you would 645 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 4: become an agent. So in the voiceover department, people would 646 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,959 Speaker 4: come in an audition so I could listen to them. 647 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 4: I would call up there, you know, I would get 648 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 4: them into their auditions a voicecaster and he laying Craig. 649 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 4: I don't even know if these places are around anymore. 650 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 4: And sometimes I would if like somebody canceled and say, oh, 651 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 4: I can't make it this audition. I would sometimes call 652 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 4: up as that actor and imitate them. So I would 653 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 4: like to do a voice and be like, hey, I'm 654 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 4: really sorry, I can't make it today, and they'd be like, 655 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 4: oh no, no worries, and I'm like, okay, I can do this. 656 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 4: So I was like learning behind the scenes. And after 657 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 4: a year the head of the department came up to 658 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 4: me and he said, listen, we love you. We would 659 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 4: like to offer you skipping the entire process. You will 660 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 4: be driving a Mercedes in a year. Would you like 661 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 4: to be an agent here? And that was my crossroads 662 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 4: where I was like like nope, because I don't want 663 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 4: to throw away my dream of being an actor. So 664 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 4: I left and became a waitress and hated that. Yeah, 665 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 4: so that was my kids. Yeah, and he helped me 666 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 4: a lot. 667 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 3: How did you then get into voiceover? 668 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 4: Well, so Rick the agent, he was like, well, because 669 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 4: I could imitate everybody, everybody on the roster, I could 670 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 4: do it. And I was watching them audition yea, and 671 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 4: he was like, I want you to study with At 672 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,839 Speaker 4: the time, Sue Blue, I don't know if you know yeap. 673 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 4: She did my demo. She hired me for a job 674 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 4: because I had no no representation, and they were like, oh, 675 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 4: we'll represent you. I'm like, okay, I'm at William Morris 676 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 4: with zero, zero experience. So that's kind of how I 677 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:59,280 Speaker 4: got into it was just taking some classes. Sue produced 678 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 4: my animation demo. She hired me for a job. I 679 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,800 Speaker 4: did voiceovers on on y'all show. But when I moved 680 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 4: to North Carolina Ashville, there were two do you know 681 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 4: ISDN technology? Okay, so that was the technology when I, 682 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 4: you know, started, So I moved here. There were two 683 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,879 Speaker 4: ISDN studios here in town that were competitors. But all 684 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 4: the actors can work for any however many you want. 685 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 4: So we didn't have home studios at the time, so 686 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 4: I would literally drive and then there was another studio 687 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 4: forty five minutes away and another one two and a 688 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 4: half hours away, so it was the same few people 689 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,839 Speaker 4: doing all the jobs. So I would just drive from 690 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 4: once through the day. I would have like four or 691 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 4: five sessions a day, and they were but they were 692 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 4: low paying because it was it was we were right 693 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 4: to work state and I was a financial core member 694 00:36:55,400 --> 00:37:00,799 Speaker 4: of the union. So I did quantity, not quality, and 695 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:05,320 Speaker 4: then eventually built a home studio because they were needing that. 696 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 4: So I had a whisper room and iced DAN Technology 697 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,319 Speaker 4: and all the other voice actors who maybe weren't quite 698 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,239 Speaker 4: that serious, they were like, oh I don't I'm not 699 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 4: investing in that, you know. So that kind of that 700 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 4: even narrowed it further and it was just the same 701 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 4: bunch of us doing all the jobs. And it was great. 702 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 4: It was the heyday. And then of course, like everything changes, 703 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,800 Speaker 4: and then iced DN went away. It was sources connect 704 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 4: and then everything opened up and anybody with an iPhone 705 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 4: can say, oh, I'm a voice talent now. Yeah, everything changed. 706 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 4: But my daughter when she was born, when I had 707 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 4: the home studio, they didn't have like kids on the roster, 708 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:43,839 Speaker 4: and they were like, hey, can you throw your kid 709 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 4: in the booth. She was two and a half and 710 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 4: she would do line. I would just feed her a 711 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 4: line and she was fearless. She would just do it. 712 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,280 Speaker 4: So she was a voice actor from two years old 713 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 4: all the way through high school. Never cared about it. 714 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, cool, I remember, gave it up to be a doctor. 715 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:07,400 Speaker 1: Come on, come on, Jackie. Do you remember the week 716 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:13,439 Speaker 1: when the Simpsons actors were renegotiating and you went in 717 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 1: for was it least Simpson? Yes? 718 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,840 Speaker 4: Remember, yes? 719 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 1: And I never sitting around talking with you and you 720 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 1: were like, I want this job obviously, but we were 721 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 1: having the whole thing like but we also know that 722 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 1: these actors are great and they kind of deserve more money. 723 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: And it was like this whole discussion, but you were like, yeah, 724 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,719 Speaker 1: but this is a game change if I and we 725 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 1: were like, yeah, you gotta you got a audition for that. 726 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,720 Speaker 1: But I remember like that was the first time hearing 727 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,399 Speaker 1: about like for me, like because I hadn't done any 728 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 1: voiceover yet, and like you were, you were like, I'm 729 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,879 Speaker 1: up for Lisa Simpson. I'm going in. I remember hearing 730 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,799 Speaker 1: you do it. I was like, oh my god, I 731 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:46,239 Speaker 1: want you to. 732 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,799 Speaker 4: Get in the job. They never had any intention of 733 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,840 Speaker 4: replacing it. 734 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 1: They brought you to just scare the crap out of them. 735 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,440 Speaker 4: But it was still fun to go in and be like, 736 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 4: I can I can do this. I mean I knew 737 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 4: always I could do this, just I didn't have the face. 738 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,360 Speaker 4: I didn't have the I was never going to be 739 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 4: plucked or discovered or I knew I couldn't go the 740 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,440 Speaker 4: traditional way. I was going to have to go figure 741 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 4: out how to be an actor a different way. And 742 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,440 Speaker 4: I just took me a long time. But it, like 743 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,719 Speaker 4: you know, I eventually did it. But I do have 744 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 4: another story this. This was another turning point where I 745 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 4: realized I'm just not I don't look like on camera. 746 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 4: It's just not going to happen for me. So it 747 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 4: was a boy Meets World episode. 748 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:36,240 Speaker 1: And. 749 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 4: So they it was an episode where Turner's old girlfriend 750 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,760 Speaker 4: shows up Anthony Tyler Quinn's old girlfriend. 751 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 5: I remember the New Year's episode was that it No 752 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 5: New Year's. 753 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 1: Episode was three old girlfriends. This is the one where 754 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 1: he went to dinner with the girl Connecticut jacket girl 755 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:55,920 Speaker 1: from Connecticut. 756 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 5: That I never saw the episode Westport Girl. That's it. 757 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, they didn't hire any actress. They couldn't cast her. 758 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,280 Speaker 4: So for like three days I was playing the girlfriend, 759 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 4: and I remember I knew all lines and for run through, 760 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 4: and you know, I wasn't overacting or anything. I was 761 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,359 Speaker 4: just doing the lines. But for run through, I knew, 762 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,080 Speaker 4: like the producers, they need to see if things are working. 763 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 4: You can't just like read it flat. I mean, they 764 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,680 Speaker 4: needed to know our joke's landing, you know. So I 765 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 4: took it seriously. I'm gonna give him something to see. 766 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:33,240 Speaker 4: And so there was this one moment where they turner 767 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,480 Speaker 4: and this girl have some kind of awkward goodbye, you know, 768 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,880 Speaker 4: at the door and they're like, oh, Gordon, and he 769 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,799 Speaker 4: shuts the door and she turns away and she's kind 770 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,680 Speaker 4: of thinking, just thinking, and he's on the other side 771 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,759 Speaker 4: of the door and they're both like thinking. She turned, 772 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,839 Speaker 4: you know, kind of takes this moment of like and 773 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,640 Speaker 4: she turns, she goes up to the door ready to knock, 774 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,640 Speaker 4: and he opens it. It was like a timing thing. 775 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 4: So at the run through, I didn't know how long 776 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 4: he was going to be and just was this moment 777 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,759 Speaker 4: that I turned to the door, I put my arm up, 778 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 4: he opened the door, and we kissed, real kissed. Like, 779 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:15,520 Speaker 4: we kissed, and I know, so I've been married to 780 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,520 Speaker 4: my husband since nineteen ninety five. Anthony Tyler Quinn is 781 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:25,600 Speaker 4: the only man I ever kissed besides my husband. We don't. 782 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,880 Speaker 4: And then afterwards he was married too, you know, we 783 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 4: were like. He was like, oh my god, I'm sorry. 784 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:32,799 Speaker 4: Is that okay? I was like, no, no, I'm sorry. 785 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 4: I mean we just did it. And so like after that, 786 00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,640 Speaker 4: a bunch of people came up to me and said, wow, 787 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,960 Speaker 4: you're really that was great. Why don't they just give 788 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,080 Speaker 4: you the part? And I remember thinking, because I'm not 789 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,359 Speaker 4: pretty enough, and so I remember knowing that. I was like, 790 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:54,040 Speaker 4: I am not a leading lady. I never will be it. 791 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 4: I can't have this part. So they bring in the 792 00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,240 Speaker 4: actress and she was fine. 793 00:41:59,280 --> 00:41:59,959 Speaker 3: She was nice. 794 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 4: I still have no problem with her. She did fine. 795 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,799 Speaker 4: So you know how we tape the show before the 796 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,920 Speaker 4: audience came in. We'd get everything in the can and 797 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 4: then you know, the audience would come in. You guys 798 00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,400 Speaker 4: would do it live. So during the day when they 799 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,800 Speaker 4: were filming, you know, she was filming that one scene 800 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 4: and Dedie goes, Jackie kim here. I said what And 801 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,279 Speaker 4: I thought, oh ohm, I in trouble. She had her 802 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,560 Speaker 4: head set on. She goes, I think you need to 803 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,880 Speaker 4: hear this. She takes her head set off, she puts 804 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,520 Speaker 4: it on me. All the camera guys and all the 805 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:37,560 Speaker 4: people in the room upstairs going jacky, jacky jackey on 806 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,359 Speaker 4: her scene, and I just wanted to cry. 807 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,040 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, oh my god, Like I. 808 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:48,080 Speaker 4: Just it was so meaningful to me, Like it's not 809 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:54,080 Speaker 4: that I suck, It's just that I won't be able 810 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,400 Speaker 4: to go this route. I'm just gonna have to figure 811 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 4: out another way. 812 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,399 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, ya. 813 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,000 Speaker 1: I don't you know, it's funny. I'm I'm interested that 814 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,680 Speaker 1: you, you know, you sort of say like I'm not pretty enough. 815 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,400 Speaker 1: First of all, that's just ridiculous in my opinion, but 816 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,680 Speaker 1: I also think that that's not I think, you know, 817 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,840 Speaker 1: I think there's something. Unfortunately, especially for the producers and 818 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,799 Speaker 1: writers of our show, there was all the if you 819 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,319 Speaker 1: were a stand in you were there were so many 820 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,440 Speaker 1: strikes against you, like you they like they. 821 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,359 Speaker 3: Were familiar with you, but yeah, and. 822 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,000 Speaker 1: So they never took you seriously as an actor. And 823 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,120 Speaker 1: it was like, you know, you would have been better 824 00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,400 Speaker 1: in another situation. You know, if you could have like 825 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,520 Speaker 1: been auditioning or acting in a but within the context 826 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,840 Speaker 1: of our show. Like I think the strikes were against 827 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,719 Speaker 1: you just contextually, you know, like and it had nothing 828 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,480 Speaker 1: to do with your looks or your acting or any 829 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,680 Speaker 1: of that. It's just literally like they're obsessed with like 830 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,200 Speaker 1: who the casting director gets or like there's just there 831 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:57,560 Speaker 1: was like this ceiling too to the to being a Sunday. 832 00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:58,919 Speaker 1: You're a placeholder. 833 00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, if you come in and you are doing better 834 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,959 Speaker 5: than the actor that they cast, they. 835 00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:05,560 Speaker 1: Will never see it. 836 00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,960 Speaker 5: You will never see it because I don't see that. 837 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,080 Speaker 5: They're just standing in until we get the real actor. 838 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,000 Speaker 5: And it was exactly they could give. 839 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,160 Speaker 1: You an extra job, right, they give you a background job, 840 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,360 Speaker 1: They could give you a one line maybe, but something 841 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,080 Speaker 1: like that, like a real like a guest star role. 842 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,200 Speaker 1: There was no way that was ever going to happen, 843 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,759 Speaker 1: no matter how good you were, you know. And but 844 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:26,879 Speaker 1: I just want to say, it's not about your your 845 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,279 Speaker 1: talent obviously, which I think you know, but also wasn't 846 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,520 Speaker 1: about your looks. It was it was about the context 847 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:32,759 Speaker 1: of that whole situation. 848 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,560 Speaker 5: Like it depends on the producers, it depends on the 849 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,279 Speaker 5: writers because again you guys know I bring this up 850 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,080 Speaker 5: every single time, and you'd make fun of me for it. 851 00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:43,359 Speaker 5: But MASH, there was a an actress on MASH who 852 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,960 Speaker 5: started as as a background actor, who was there for 853 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:47,960 Speaker 5: years as a background actor. Then she started to have 854 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,880 Speaker 5: a few lines. Then she started have a few lines, 855 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,920 Speaker 5: and then season eight or nine there was an episode 856 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,520 Speaker 5: all about her. She starred in the episode, right, And 857 00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:58,640 Speaker 5: so you will occasionally get shows where you you know, 858 00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,120 Speaker 5: they will see you for for who you are and 859 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,440 Speaker 5: then use that talent. But unfortunately, I don't think our 860 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:04,520 Speaker 5: just want to know. 861 00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:08,759 Speaker 4: I don't know Rare Right, Yeah, I don't think you did. 862 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,400 Speaker 4: Some of the some of the writers were like we 863 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,359 Speaker 4: would hang out sometimes after taping. We would go to 864 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,279 Speaker 4: a bar and I would sit with Howard and Matt 865 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,040 Speaker 4: Nelson and what was. 866 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,239 Speaker 1: The bar in the valley? Like the Mexican to this 867 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:24,120 Speaker 1: Mexican restaurant? 868 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:28,240 Speaker 5: What was that the cantina orsa vega. 869 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:29,120 Speaker 4: No idea. I don't know. 870 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,400 Speaker 1: I just remember There's like one time near the end 871 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,000 Speaker 1: of the show where I finally got to see like 872 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:34,719 Speaker 1: where the writers went. I was like, Oh, it's like 873 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,640 Speaker 1: this dark, cool Mexican restaurant in the Valley. 874 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,279 Speaker 4: Yeah, I would go and I'd be an equal like 875 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,000 Speaker 4: it's weird, Like I'd be like, we be friends and 876 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:43,440 Speaker 4: hang out, and then I'd come to this set and 877 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,680 Speaker 4: it's like, Okay, yeah, I know my place. 878 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,040 Speaker 2: I would like to say one other thing now, as 879 00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,640 Speaker 2: a as a director who's been on the other side 880 00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,880 Speaker 2: of those conversations, I've been in the rooms with the 881 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,399 Speaker 2: EPs when they're talking about whether or not to give 882 00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,239 Speaker 2: a role to a stand in. Really a lot a 883 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:03,040 Speaker 2: lot of time, what comes up is they don't want 884 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,880 Speaker 2: there to be animosity and competition between the with the 885 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,000 Speaker 2: other stand ins, and if we give this role to 886 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,000 Speaker 2: Jackie this week, we are then going to feel like 887 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,000 Speaker 2: we have to make it equal for the other stand ins, 888 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,400 Speaker 2: and we don't want to be beholden to that. We 889 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,399 Speaker 2: don't want to have to in our minds be thinking about, well, 890 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,279 Speaker 2: we gave a role to Jackie. And so sometimes you 891 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,279 Speaker 2: lose out on the role simply because they don't want 892 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,319 Speaker 2: to set a precedent, I guess. So there's a lot 893 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:29,720 Speaker 2: of things. 894 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,479 Speaker 1: That its awful Catch twenty two of, Like, the only 895 00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,040 Speaker 1: reason you take a stand in job is because you 896 00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:36,799 Speaker 1: want to be an actor, right for the most part. 897 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,640 Speaker 1: I mean maybe there's exceptions, but it seems to me 898 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,000 Speaker 1: like your only interest in it is to be within 899 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,640 Speaker 1: the industry to get the experience. But then because you're 900 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,200 Speaker 1: categorized as a stand in the same like you said 901 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,960 Speaker 1: Jackie about being an extra, it's like you're a second 902 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,480 Speaker 1: class actor and so within that context, they might never 903 00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,759 Speaker 1: be able to see you in this other light. So 904 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,040 Speaker 1: in a weird way, it's like, while you're getting this experience, 905 00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,480 Speaker 1: while you're making connections, you're making connections sort of classified 906 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,920 Speaker 1: as this other thing, you know, and that's like it's 907 00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,319 Speaker 1: a really tough you know. So yeah, I mean it 908 00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,520 Speaker 1: makes perfect sense that you were able to achieve voiceover 909 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,719 Speaker 1: success because within that context, you know, you're just just 910 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,400 Speaker 1: your pure talent, it's just your voice. 911 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:15,759 Speaker 5: Yeah. 912 00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:20,359 Speaker 4: But I had to leave LA to become become an actor, yeah, actor. 913 00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,440 Speaker 1: You know, I think that's always the case, right, It's 914 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,680 Speaker 1: like you just have to you have to be super 915 00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,560 Speaker 1: confident and like comfortable with your own life and your 916 00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,880 Speaker 1: own self and that and that shines through in everything 917 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,880 Speaker 1: that you do. And I think like for you, clearly 918 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,839 Speaker 1: you you when you when the second you made that 919 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:36,640 Speaker 1: move of like well this is what I care about. 920 00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,840 Speaker 1: This is then I think that that plays out in 921 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,080 Speaker 1: every other aspect of your life where that confidence probably 922 00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:42,760 Speaker 1: you know, helped you all around. 923 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,320 Speaker 4: Just had to get creative. I had to do everything 924 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,640 Speaker 4: just a little bit differently than the standard way. 925 00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:59,800 Speaker 7: But that's okay. 926 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,799 Speaker 5: You you said that you don't think Michael even knew 927 00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,719 Speaker 5: your name, which brings me to something that for Unfortunately 928 00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,759 Speaker 5: for writer Danielle and I, we saw an episode not 929 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,000 Speaker 5: too long ago that took place in part of it 930 00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,120 Speaker 5: took place in the Wilderness Store, and one of the 931 00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,919 Speaker 5: actors in the Wilderness Store was one of our stand ins. 932 00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,520 Speaker 5: Featured background was one of our stand ins, and we 933 00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,200 Speaker 5: couldn't remember his name. 934 00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,880 Speaker 4: Wait a minute. It was a guy named Mark Mark Mark, 935 00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:30,520 Speaker 4: and Mark had like some kind of strange to pay 936 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,040 Speaker 4: Maybe Mark. 937 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,719 Speaker 5: I remember he had glasses. It was exactly yes, okay, 938 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,200 Speaker 5: so it was Mark Mark. 939 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,080 Speaker 1: So he was there for a very short time. 940 00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,879 Speaker 4: I think, yeah, And I don't know who I mean, 941 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,359 Speaker 4: I didn't come in at the beginning. Who was there 942 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,200 Speaker 4: before me? Who was the female. 943 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:48,200 Speaker 5: People? 944 00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,439 Speaker 1: We had little people for the first season because because 945 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,680 Speaker 1: we were we were smaller, we were all kids. So 946 00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,920 Speaker 1: the first season. It was it was three. It was 947 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,759 Speaker 1: Kevin and Tracy, Tracy and and uh. 948 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:08,399 Speaker 5: Oh my god, Kevin, Tracy and John. No, I can 949 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,239 Speaker 5: picture them all. Two of them were married. Tracy was 950 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,440 Speaker 5: married right. 951 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,640 Speaker 1: To the guy who we can't remember. Yeah, oh my god, 952 00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:17,200 Speaker 1: what was his name? 953 00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,560 Speaker 5: N I thought it was John, but I could be wrong. Yeah, 954 00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,399 Speaker 5: So it was we had little people the first was it. 955 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,680 Speaker 1: Only the first season that we had little people, and 956 00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:27,120 Speaker 1: maybe a little bit of the second, but you know, 957 00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:28,680 Speaker 1: then Ben and I got tall, and so it was 958 00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:33,080 Speaker 1: really only Morgan was the only. 959 00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:34,759 Speaker 3: Let's explain that a little bit too. 960 00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,480 Speaker 2: So when you have a kid's show, at least back 961 00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,120 Speaker 2: in the nineties, it was very common practice that your 962 00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,600 Speaker 2: stand ins would they would try to find stand ins 963 00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,920 Speaker 2: that were as close to your height as possible. Because 964 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,919 Speaker 2: although lighting on a multi camera set is not quite 965 00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,319 Speaker 2: as important as Jackie mentioned, on a film set where 966 00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,520 Speaker 2: they're really lightingt framing is important. The cameras need to 967 00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,719 Speaker 2: know if someone is if a child is sitting, and 968 00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,360 Speaker 2: then they stand up. Camera needs to know what the 969 00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,000 Speaker 2: focus needs to be when they stand up. Lighting needs 970 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,799 Speaker 2: to know where do I need to light Where's And 971 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,839 Speaker 2: so our first season the majority of our stand ins 972 00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,760 Speaker 2: were little people, and because. 973 00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,919 Speaker 1: Then adults, because then they can work longer hours because 974 00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,080 Speaker 1: of kids. Then you have to provide school, you have to, 975 00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,400 Speaker 1: you know, so you need grown ups who are under 976 00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:23,600 Speaker 1: you know, the five foot or whatever. We were four 977 00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,799 Speaker 1: and a half feet. So yeah, so you end up 978 00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:27,360 Speaker 1: with like a little people, which we had. 979 00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,240 Speaker 9: Yeah, and now I have to pang a hair almost, 980 00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:34,080 Speaker 9: I know exactly did you ever think when you were 981 00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,239 Speaker 9: working on Boy Meets World that we would still be 982 00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,800 Speaker 9: talking about it thirty years later? 983 00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:48,000 Speaker 4: No, first of all thirty years that just was I know, incomprehensible. 984 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:48,640 Speaker 5: Yep. 985 00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:53,360 Speaker 4: No, I mean I followed it when I left, and 986 00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:57,840 Speaker 4: I followed Girl Meets World, and I you know, knew 987 00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,680 Speaker 4: loosely what you guys were doing, but I know, I 988 00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,400 Speaker 4: knew it was a major, major show. I had a 989 00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,480 Speaker 4: major impact on a lot. You guys have super fans. 990 00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,880 Speaker 4: It was a big deal for a lot of people. 991 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:18,360 Speaker 4: So am I surprised? No? Not really. I mean it 992 00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:23,560 Speaker 4: warms my heart to see you guys together, still friends, 993 00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:29,720 Speaker 4: still like not poopooing this experience, but like really looking 994 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:34,160 Speaker 4: at it from a different perspective, more mature, you know. 995 00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:40,080 Speaker 4: But being super honest and transparent, but also really treating 996 00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:43,040 Speaker 4: it with respect and like being so good to your fans. 997 00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:47,960 Speaker 4: I mean, gosh, I love that. I love that, Jackie. 998 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,440 Speaker 1: I have this memory that it's kind of weird, and 999 00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,040 Speaker 1: you probably don't remember it, but I wanted to bring 1000 00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:58,239 Speaker 1: it up because I think it shows like my mindset 1001 00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,319 Speaker 1: at the time, which is like just doesn't make sense 1002 00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,480 Speaker 1: to me now. But when you were leaving, like I remember, 1003 00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:03,719 Speaker 1: we were all very sad, and it was like in 1004 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,319 Speaker 1: the middle of the season, and it was like, oh 1005 00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,279 Speaker 1: my gosh, well that's good for you that you're, you know, 1006 00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,160 Speaker 1: making this move, and you seemed really happy. And then 1007 00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,120 Speaker 1: I remember you asked me to sign like a script 1008 00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,720 Speaker 1: or a photograph or whatever, and I got really upset 1009 00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,880 Speaker 1: and like yeah, and I was like I'm not And 1010 00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:22,879 Speaker 1: I remember being like it was like a big deal 1011 00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,040 Speaker 1: of saying but Jackie's my friend, Like I'm not going 1012 00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,319 Speaker 1: to sign. And I did eventually do it, but it 1013 00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,120 Speaker 1: just goes to show that, like, you know, and of 1014 00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,279 Speaker 1: course now I'm like, I'm glad I signed it, and 1015 00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,480 Speaker 1: I'm glad because we haven't stayed in touch. But when 1016 00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,120 Speaker 1: you were nineteen eighteen years old and you're on a 1017 00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,040 Speaker 1: TV show and we work together. I was like, well, 1018 00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,400 Speaker 1: Jackie's always going to be in my life, We're always 1019 00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,359 Speaker 1: going to be friends. Why should I have to sign 1020 00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,040 Speaker 1: something for her? And like what a jackass? Like what 1021 00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,919 Speaker 1: a like classic? You know, like why you know it's 1022 00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,040 Speaker 1: like or on the flip side, like why didn't we 1023 00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:53,640 Speaker 1: keep in touch? Like you know, shut up? 1024 00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,359 Speaker 4: Writer, like but it was so social media though at 1025 00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,120 Speaker 4: the time totally it was just like that. 1026 00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,080 Speaker 1: It just show's the bubble that we were in, do 1027 00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:01,440 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like the bubble that I 1028 00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,440 Speaker 1: was in, certainly like where I was and I had 1029 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:05,880 Speaker 1: this real like moments. 1030 00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:10,879 Speaker 5: Got the original mug too. Look at that, oh. 1031 00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:14,080 Speaker 4: Truly, and you know it's weird. Writer. I have pictures 1032 00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,640 Speaker 4: because we didn't have cell phone you know, camera phones 1033 00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,120 Speaker 4: at the time. I'm so sad. I have a picture 1034 00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,040 Speaker 4: of me and Danielle hugging me, and Will hugging me 1035 00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,280 Speaker 4: and Ben hugging and I don't have a picture with you, 1036 00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:26,920 Speaker 4: and I'm so sad of me and Bill. 1037 00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:32,320 Speaker 2: I have like the next time writers in Ashville, you 1038 00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,200 Speaker 2: should stop by. And I also want to talk to 1039 00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,600 Speaker 2: you before we say goodbye to you. I want to 1040 00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,560 Speaker 2: talk to you about your other art. You were such 1041 00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:43,320 Speaker 2: an artist, a voiceover artist, and actor, all these things, 1042 00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,359 Speaker 2: but I want to talk to you about your your 1043 00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:46,439 Speaker 2: physical media art. 1044 00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,280 Speaker 3: Tell me about the well. 1045 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,960 Speaker 4: I was always creative, but I just wanted to be 1046 00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,799 Speaker 4: an actor, so that was all the focus. But when 1047 00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:58,040 Speaker 4: I had a home studio and I didn't drive to 1048 00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,080 Speaker 4: all the studios all the time, I would have all 1049 00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,120 Speaker 4: this downtime at home. So in my basement where my 1050 00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,600 Speaker 4: booth was, I had another room that I kind of 1051 00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:09,279 Speaker 4: turned into a craft room an art studio, and I 1052 00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:13,160 Speaker 4: just loved making things where I didn't have to wait 1053 00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:16,040 Speaker 4: for permission to practice my craft. You know, as a 1054 00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,160 Speaker 4: voiceover actor, you gotta wait. I mean, you can walk 1055 00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,040 Speaker 4: around doing voices all day, but you have to be cast. 1056 00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,080 Speaker 4: You have to you know, you gotta wait to practice 1057 00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,279 Speaker 4: your craft. And I was like, oh, I can paint, 1058 00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,360 Speaker 4: you know, whatever I want, anytime I want, and I 1059 00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,400 Speaker 4: can be the total boss of this. So I started 1060 00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:34,040 Speaker 4: doing that, and then I got into my first gallery 1061 00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,680 Speaker 4: the same way I did everything else. Totally my way 1062 00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:44,960 Speaker 4: through that, and I had no experience. I basically went 1063 00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:49,760 Speaker 4: to a really prestigious gallery here in the River Arts District. 1064 00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:54,000 Speaker 4: This is my gallery, by the way, And I went 1065 00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,239 Speaker 4: up to the gallery owner and I said, I would 1066 00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,719 Speaker 4: love for you to carry my work. And I can't 1067 00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:03,280 Speaker 4: afford rent to pay rent to have a working studio 1068 00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,480 Speaker 4: in the district, So if you would give me a 1069 00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:10,600 Speaker 4: corner of your gallery that I could paint in, and 1070 00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,320 Speaker 4: if you will represent me, I will work for free 1071 00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,520 Speaker 4: three days a week volunteer at your gallery so you 1072 00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,719 Speaker 4: can take off and I will help your customers, and 1073 00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:22,320 Speaker 4: again so I can learn everything about the gallery and 1074 00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,680 Speaker 4: being a good artist. And he was like done. So 1075 00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:30,359 Speaker 4: I did that. I got my first representation. And this 1076 00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,680 Speaker 4: gallery is right upstairs from that gallery, and I would 1077 00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,719 Speaker 4: come visit here, and this had many artists in it, 1078 00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,880 Speaker 4: and I remember thinking, if I ever had my own gallery, 1079 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:44,120 Speaker 4: I really like that. And then an opening came up 1080 00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,920 Speaker 4: and the girl that had this space, there's like a leaseholder, 1081 00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,440 Speaker 4: and then there were sub letters. She invited me to 1082 00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,279 Speaker 4: be a part of this gallery, which I did, and 1083 00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,440 Speaker 4: I still said one day. She was here for ten years, 1084 00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,480 Speaker 4: and the days she decided to do something else, she said, 1085 00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:00,920 Speaker 4: would you like to over the gallery? 1086 00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,839 Speaker 5: I'm like, oh yeah. 1087 00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,080 Speaker 4: I eventually always got what I wanted, always through a 1088 00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:14,279 Speaker 4: creative way. That's been pretty much my life. So now 1089 00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,440 Speaker 4: I do this more full time and I still do voiceovers, 1090 00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,800 Speaker 4: but not as much. I have a few regular clients. 1091 00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,480 Speaker 4: I still have my home studio. I still do it, 1092 00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,799 Speaker 4: but I just don't the mark is just different. It's 1093 00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:28,480 Speaker 4: just a different situation now. 1094 00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,120 Speaker 2: So well, finely, when we asked you to check out 1095 00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:37,160 Speaker 2: the Shallow Boy episode where you totally steal the scene 1096 00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:41,160 Speaker 2: with the greatest disease, what are your feelings when you 1097 00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:45,160 Speaker 2: see yourself twenty five years ago or so on screen, 1098 00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,360 Speaker 2: and what would you tell that version of Jackie. 1099 00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:54,080 Speaker 4: Oh, that's very emotional, to be honest, of course, the 1100 00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:59,520 Speaker 4: first thing I did when I saw myself was ooh, 1101 00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:05,680 Speaker 4: I was not not pretty. I just looked at myself 1102 00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:12,680 Speaker 4: and just said, oh. But I thought it was funny. 1103 00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:16,920 Speaker 4: I thought it was a funny moment. I loved the scene. 1104 00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,280 Speaker 4: I loved watching the episode. It was a little hard 1105 00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,680 Speaker 4: to watch myself, and I think maybe that's maybe that 1106 00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,080 Speaker 4: is where things just kind of worked out for the best. 1107 00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,800 Speaker 4: Where I just never did on camera. I did voiceover 1108 00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:31,880 Speaker 4: work where that was not a factor. I can be 1109 00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,520 Speaker 4: a grandmother, I can be a little kid. I can 1110 00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,040 Speaker 4: do you know, I wouldn't have that, But it was 1111 00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,280 Speaker 4: that was hard to watch myself, to be honest, it 1112 00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:45,280 Speaker 4: was it was difficult and I never yeah yeah, But 1113 00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,200 Speaker 4: then I watched it again and I kind of got 1114 00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:47,960 Speaker 4: over it and got it. 1115 00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:49,240 Speaker 7: Got it, Get over yourself. 1116 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:54,360 Speaker 2: Jack What would you like to tell that version of Jackie? 1117 00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,320 Speaker 2: What would you like to tell your young self? 1118 00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,200 Speaker 4: I would just say, keep going, girl. You will get 1119 00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,640 Speaker 4: every single thing you want. It's just going to take 1120 00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:08,040 Speaker 4: a while. And just take notes. Be nice, be kind, 1121 00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:14,280 Speaker 4: be respectful, just don't don't get discouraged. You'll get there. 1122 00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,360 Speaker 4: It'll just be a little different. It'll just look a 1123 00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,760 Speaker 4: little different, but you'll get there. 1124 00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:19,880 Speaker 3: Well. 1125 00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,640 Speaker 2: I am perfectly comfortable speaking for all of us on 1126 00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,080 Speaker 2: this zoom when I say to you, without trying to 1127 00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:27,320 Speaker 2: be creepy, we have never once thought of you as 1128 00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:31,920 Speaker 2: anything other than extremely talented and absolutely beautiful. 1129 00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,360 Speaker 3: Yes, you have never. It is never. 1130 00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,160 Speaker 2: None of the thoughts that you have had about yourself 1131 00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:41,360 Speaker 2: in that way have ever ever crossed our minds. 1132 00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:42,800 Speaker 4: Nope, thank you. 1133 00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:48,200 Speaker 2: You You are special and you are unique, and you 1134 00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,920 Speaker 2: are funny, and all of our memories with you are 1135 00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,720 Speaker 2: positive and in all of our memories you are beautiful 1136 00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:54,880 Speaker 2: the same way you are now. 1137 00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:57,880 Speaker 4: Thank you so much, you guys. I'm just so happy 1138 00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,760 Speaker 4: all of you. Just your lives have turned out so well. 1139 00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,520 Speaker 4: Your parents, you're married, you're successful, you're behind the scenes, 1140 00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:09,440 Speaker 4: you haven't You've all flourished. You know, as we know 1141 00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:13,400 Speaker 4: child actors, there's many ways that can turn out. And you, guys, 1142 00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,800 Speaker 4: I always was hoping for the best for you, and 1143 00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:18,400 Speaker 4: you guys did it. I'm just so happy. 1144 00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:21,480 Speaker 2: Well, thank you happy, and thank you for all that 1145 00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,680 Speaker 2: you contributed to our ears on Boy Meets World. Please 1146 00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:26,840 Speaker 2: let people know where they can find you, where they 1147 00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,480 Speaker 2: can find your art, give us all your where where 1148 00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:30,120 Speaker 2: can we find you? 1149 00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:30,800 Speaker 5: So? 1150 00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:35,760 Speaker 4: I am on Instagram at Jackie fell f e h L. 1151 00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,240 Speaker 4: I am in Asheville and the River Arts District. I 1152 00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,040 Speaker 4: have this gallery. I also have a home studio, not 1153 00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:47,200 Speaker 4: on Facebook much but kind of there. And yeah, I 1154 00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:48,640 Speaker 4: think I think that's it. 1155 00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, And so for for Instagram, it is also j 1156 00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:56,280 Speaker 2: A c q u I and then as she spelled 1157 00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,240 Speaker 2: fell f e h L. You can find her there 1158 00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,000 Speaker 2: and see all of her incredible art. 1159 01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:02,640 Speaker 3: And Jackie voiceover chick. 1160 01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:06,640 Speaker 4: Is you can hear my weird little demos on voiceover 1161 01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,439 Speaker 4: chick dot com. It hasn't been updated. It still says 1162 01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:13,240 Speaker 4: I s dan technology. But if you want to hear 1163 01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,000 Speaker 4: my demos, that's where they are. 1164 01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:16,720 Speaker 3: So incredible. 1165 01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:18,760 Speaker 2: Jackie, thank you so much for spending your time with 1166 01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:20,680 Speaker 2: us this morning. It's been such a pleasure to see 1167 01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:22,200 Speaker 2: you again and reconnect with you. 1168 01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,320 Speaker 1: You too, You guys, let's hang out. 1169 01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:26,200 Speaker 8: Are we doing? 1170 01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,040 Speaker 1: And we're doing. We're in North Carolina, but we're where 1171 01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,200 Speaker 1: are we going? We're going to Durham, Durham. That's pretty 1172 01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:31,680 Speaker 1: far right. 1173 01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,280 Speaker 4: My daughter's in like an hour from Chapel Hill, not 1174 01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,560 Speaker 4: far from you guys. She's at school at Campbell University. 1175 01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:39,960 Speaker 4: But I know I was thinking should I drive out 1176 01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:40,760 Speaker 4: there and crash? 1177 01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:45,880 Speaker 2: But yes, think if you're able to, please do. 1178 01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:47,160 Speaker 3: We would love to see you. 1179 01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,480 Speaker 4: Thanks you guys, So proud of you all and appreciate 1180 01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:51,320 Speaker 4: you so much. 1181 01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:56,400 Speaker 2: Thank you by Jackie. Yeah, that's actually a great idea. 1182 01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,680 Speaker 2: Jensen just said she can come up. She can be 1183 01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:02,120 Speaker 2: a part of our live show and docre. 1184 01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:03,920 Speaker 5: Where she comes throws everything in the back of the 1185 01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:05,760 Speaker 5: be amazing. Yeah, love it be fun. 1186 01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:07,160 Speaker 1: God is so good to see her. 1187 01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,680 Speaker 3: I know, I know, she looks exactly the same. 1188 01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,000 Speaker 2: Her hair color has changed, she wasn't gray back then, 1189 01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:13,560 Speaker 2: but that's it. 1190 01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,080 Speaker 1: And I'm so glad you said somedingy, Danielle, because once 1191 01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:17,680 Speaker 1: again it would be creepy for me to talk about 1192 01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:22,160 Speaker 1: how beautiful she was. Always so gorgeous. Gorgeous, that's like 1193 01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:25,240 Speaker 1: one of the defining things about Jacket. So the fact 1194 01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:27,360 Speaker 1: that she brought it up multiple times, like I wasn't 1195 01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,360 Speaker 1: pretty enough, is like, wow, that's just you know, we 1196 01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,360 Speaker 1: all have these things about ourselves, you know, and especially 1197 01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:36,800 Speaker 1: I think for actors it's always you know, how you 1198 01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,439 Speaker 1: look is just the thing that you're concerned about because 1199 01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,040 Speaker 1: so much of the industry, especially back then. I'm hoping 1200 01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,160 Speaker 1: it's less so, but you know, it is superficial. It's 1201 01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,200 Speaker 1: part of the job is to be and so you 1202 01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:50,200 Speaker 1: have to be concerned with presentation, and unfortunately that becomes 1203 01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:54,240 Speaker 1: so much self judgment and self doubt and man, it's 1204 01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,240 Speaker 1: such a bumber to hear at somebody so beautiful. 1205 01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,960 Speaker 5: Ever ever, she looks like like in my casting head, 1206 01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:03,040 Speaker 5: she looks like a superhero. Yeah, hold on, looks like 1207 01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:04,680 Speaker 5: a superhero to me, Like I'd love to cast her 1208 01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:06,640 Speaker 5: in something where she plays a badass because she looks 1209 01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:08,920 Speaker 5: like a superhero. Yes, she's such a cool. 1210 01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:09,760 Speaker 3: So awesome. 1211 01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,360 Speaker 2: Well, thank you all for joining us for this episode 1212 01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:14,240 Speaker 2: of Pod Meets World. As always, you can follow us 1213 01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:16,440 Speaker 2: on Instagram pod meets World Show. 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