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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in out number two Monday edition,

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. Heads Up, Heads Up. Buck

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Speaker 1: has got a puppy in his lap. So if you

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Speaker 1: hear a puppy chirping, it is not someone being held

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Speaker 1: hostage by either Buck or myself. It's not a child

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Speaker 1: in danger. You don't have to look over your shoulder

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Speaker 1: and be like, wait a minute, is that the kid

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Speaker 1: in my car seat? Is that my dog? Is something

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Speaker 1: going on? No, Carrie is out an in studio with him.

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Speaker 1: Buck has a three month old puppy that that may

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Speaker 1: be chirping during the course of the show. So just FYI,

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Speaker 1: major housekeeping announced.

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Speaker 2: She is here. Yeah, she is super cute, as she's fine,

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Speaker 2: but we've reached the point here where the puppy knows

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Speaker 2: based on the clothing that I put on or Kerrie

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Speaker 2: puts on, whether it's outside time or not. Like the

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Speaker 2: second she sees sneakers getting laced up, she goes to

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Speaker 2: the front door. She freaks out, and so she's gotten

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Speaker 2: very smart. But yes, we will try to keep her

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Speaker 2: yelping to a minimum. Her cuteness is such that she

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Speaker 2: thinks she can get away with anything, and unfortunately that

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Speaker 2: is largely true. Well, we are trying to train her now.

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Speaker 2: But we have politics to discuss.

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Speaker 1: We do have politics to things that DeSantis said that

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Speaker 1: we're very interesting in that interview we just did. And

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Speaker 1: let me give you a couple of polls that drop today,

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Speaker 1: because I do think they're significant if you're paying attention

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Speaker 1: out there that we asked him about it. Buck did

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Speaker 1: right off the top a des Moines Register NBC News poll.

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Speaker 2: But if you have not seen this came out early

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Speaker 2: this morning.

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Speaker 1: Trump fifty one percent, DeSantis nineteen percent, Nicky Hayley sixteen percent,

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Speaker 1: and then Vivek Ramaswami five Chris Christy four big drop

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Speaker 1: offs there. Trump now over fifty percent, up eight points

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Speaker 1: since the last poll they did in late October. DeSantis

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Speaker 1: moving up. So really Trump the biggest mover in that poll.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's wor're factoring in. Also, there is

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Speaker 1: yet another poll from Michigan, this one from CNN. It

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Speaker 1: has Trump up fifty to forty, a ten point lead

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Speaker 1: for Donald Trump in Michigan head to head against Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: Per The New York Times, now also Trump up five

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Speaker 1: in Georgia. Those are obviously two states that Joe Biden won.

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Speaker 1: And this is the third straight Michigan poll from high

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Speaker 1: quality national poll results. The New York Times had Trump

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Speaker 1: up five in Michigan, the epic MRA poll had him

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Speaker 1: last three major polls of.

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Speaker 2: The state of Michigan.

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Speaker 1: That would be huge buck because correct me if I'm wrong,

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Speaker 1: But didn't Trump win Michigan in sixteen by like zero

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Speaker 1: point one six percent and lost Michigan by a point

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Speaker 1: not talking about Trump, you know, sort of squeezing out

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Speaker 1: a win by ten or fifteen thousand votes. We're talking

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Speaker 1: about Trump trousing Biden by multiple points, the likes of

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Speaker 1: which we've never seen from Trump in sixteen, twenty or

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Speaker 1: twenty four. So reason why I raise that is I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna ask you the same question that I put up

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Speaker 1: as a poll question.

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Speaker 2: Do you believe them?

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Speaker 1: Do you believe that this CNN poll that has Trump

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Speaker 1: up ten and Trump up five in Georgia? I put

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Speaker 1: up this poll, and I just said, hey, is this

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Speaker 1: poll accurate? Yes or no? Do you buy it? I

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Speaker 1: want to get your read buck. Twelve thousand people have

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Speaker 1: voted into whether or not that is accurate.

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Speaker 2: So do you think this poll is accurate?

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Speaker 1: Do you think that Trump is up five or more

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Speaker 1: in Georgia if the election were today, What those polls

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Speaker 1: and flip them from the blue camp to the red camp.

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Speaker 2: You buy it. I think you have to buy it.

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Speaker 2: I think you have to buy it insofar as polls are,

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Speaker 2: you know, something that we use to give us a

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Speaker 2: happening here, I think it's just all the function of

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Speaker 2: whether the indictments. I really believe that what's moving the

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Speaker 2: is a revulsion among a portion of the electorate at

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Speaker 2: the Democrats indicting their top political rival. I think that

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Speaker 2: right now you'd have to say that was a dramatic miscalculation.

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Speaker 2: And the only way that that changes is if upon

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Speaker 2: a guilty verdict, Because it's not going to shift just

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Speaker 2: based on what's going on in normal politics. Right The

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Speaker 2: only way this changes is if there's a guilty verdict

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Speaker 2: against Trump and then somehow public sentiment becomes well, maybe

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Speaker 2: it was unfair, but apparently he did the crime, so

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Speaker 2: he should do the time. Something along along those lines.

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Speaker 2: You Know, it's interesting to me because Governor DeSantis was

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Speaker 2: just with us and he said he doesn't think it'll

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Speaker 2: be Biden, and then you asked him, which was important, well, okay,

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Speaker 2: who will it be? And he said, Kamala. My sense

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Speaker 2: all along, and what I've been saying along is it's

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Speaker 2: going to be Biden or Kamala. They're the ticket. There's

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Speaker 2: a vice president for a reason. Joe Biden could have

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Speaker 2: stepped down at any point during his presidency for Kamala Harris,

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Speaker 2: and if he were to win, could step down, and

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Speaker 2: I think would step down very quickly. But the whole

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Speaker 2: point here is, well, yeah, that's the ticket as it

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Speaker 2: And I think that Gavin Newsom showing up in that

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Speaker 2: a less viable option perhaps than he had previously been.

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Speaker 2: And I think that when you start looking at the

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Speaker 2: other Okay, you don't have time to get on the ballots.

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Speaker 2: Everybody that has passed for key states. You can't come

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Speaker 2: the bout. You're not gonna win. So you start with that.

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Speaker 2: Now you look at well, you have to figure out

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Speaker 2: some kind of a replacement of Biden. Harris. I don't

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Speaker 2: even know how that would go, and something that would

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Speaker 2: involve the Democratic Convention. I don't know that they have.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that they have the logistical acumen to

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Speaker 2: but that's I don't think they could do it. So

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Speaker 2: they're all in on Kamala Biden. And if they're all

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Speaker 2: on Kamala Biden, they must think that the ace up

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Speaker 2: their sleeve is Trump gets indicted and it's all over.

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Speaker 2: I think they may be wrong about that too. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: We started texting convicted.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was texting with you over the weekend

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Speaker 1: about this, and we should mention. And I'm going to

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Speaker 1: dive into this because I'll have time to read in

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Speaker 1: big decision about whether Trump can be held accountable based

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Speaker 1: on you know, Trump is basically arguing in the DC case,

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Speaker 1: this is all a part of presidential powers, and I

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Speaker 1: had the ability to challenge whether this was a valid election.

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Speaker 1: I committed no crimes. This is well within the scope

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Speaker 1: of what presidential performance as the duty of president would

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Speaker 1: consist of. I think that's going to go all the

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Speaker 1: way to Supreme Court. And Jack Smith is now involved

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Speaker 1: ever had a Supreme Court justice listen to the show Buck?

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Speaker 1: Do you think at any point in time any of

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court justices have ever heard our show?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Okay, So in the event that we are ever

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Speaker 1: The Supreme Court, I will humbly give them my advice

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Speaker 1: for what they should do. They should set a hearing

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Speaker 1: on this to take place, and then they should allow

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Speaker 1: that if they set a hearing on whether or not

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Speaker 1: Trump can be prosecuted here, I would set that hearing.

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Speaker 1: I would drag it out, and I would set a

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Speaker 1: because then you let the American public determine, hey, who

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Speaker 1: should be the president of the United States. And then

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Speaker 1: if Trump wins, Look, he's going to dismiss all this

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Speaker 1: with his new attorney general, right, So the case in

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Speaker 1: DC is going to go away, the case in Miami's

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Speaker 1: If Trump wins, that's what he's going to do, so

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Speaker 1: you can avoid what he.

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Speaker 2: Probably has to pardon himself. I think that No.

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Speaker 1: I think that he'll just have his Attorney general dismiss

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Speaker 1: the Department of Justice cases. I don't even think he'd

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Speaker 1: have to pardon himself.

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Speaker 2: But would but would he be beyond the statute of

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Speaker 2: limitations for everything that, because theoretically you could then have

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Speaker 2: a Democrat president who resurrects the charges. Even Oh, I.

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Speaker 1: Think I think he might well pardon himself for all

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Speaker 1: perpetuity before he left. But I'm just saying if I

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Speaker 1: I would just go ahead and have the Attorney General

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Speaker 1: these cases. We don't believe But then the Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: ability to keep these cases from going to trial before

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Speaker 2: I think Trump's right on the law. But if Trump.

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Speaker 1: Appointed justices come in in an election year and say

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Speaker 1: Trump can't be prosecuted for these violations, I actually think

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Speaker 1: it makes the Supreme Court seem incredibly political. And I

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Speaker 1: the Court, I would forestall it. Maybe you have here,

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Speaker 1: having a Supreme Court ruling on this issue in an

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Speaker 2: And look, the.

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Speaker 1: Court didn't choose this. Biden and the Department of Justice

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Speaker 1: then they'll attack the Court. They'll say we have to

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, just let the basically, let the clock run out.

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Speaker 1: Keep the cases from proceeding and put a stay in place,

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Speaker 1: and then after the election you can decide this issue

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Speaker 1: to dismiss it if he wins. If he loses, then

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Speaker 1: you can rule on whether or not the prosecution is legitimate.

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Speaker 1: But buck, by the way I said, I was going

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Speaker 1: to give the results here, sixty three percent of people

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Speaker 1: do not believe the CNN polls. And I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you've seen this, there is a not insubstantial percentage

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Speaker 1: of people out there that believe that all of the

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Speaker 2: And I don't believe this.

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Speaker 1: Let me make this clear, but there is not in

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Speaker 1: substantial You've seen this too.

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Speaker 2: This is like a this is a trap. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's the Democrats playing possum or the Democrats. I've said that.

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Speaker 2: My fear is the double envelopment at Cana where the

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Speaker 2: front line again nerding out here, but everyone we got

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Speaker 2: a nerd out. Sometimes the front line of Hannibal with

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Speaker 1: Also require that theory, and I just I agree with you.

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Speaker 2: So what is the plan if things are looking so

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Speaker 2: bad for their man, Joe Biden. Here's CNN's John Avlon saying, Uh,

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Speaker 4: There's an enthusiasm gap that the Biden team needs to confront.

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Speaker 4: But as you point out that fact that you know

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Speaker 2: It is all. I really believe this. It's all now

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis bock Sexton Show. We are

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Speaker 1: here in the new year future. But I want to

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you've seen the des Moines Register polls now

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Speaker 2: You know, JD. I know you're a senator, now you

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Speaker 2: Because I keep looking at this, Clay is basically saying that, like,

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting here eating I don't think Biden can be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know it can't be Biden. But is

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Speaker 2: you think this plays out?

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Speaker 3: Look, I think the thing I worry about is a

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Speaker 3: that runs its course before the American people get to vote. Like,

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Speaker 3: what better evidence do we need that this is all

436
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Speaker 3: about politics, It has nothing to do with justice. So yeah,

437
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Speaker 3: I worry about the dirty tricks they're going to pull

438
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Speaker 3: more than anything. I Look, I clearly Biden has a

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Speaker 3: lot of issues electorally. But my assumption here is that

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Speaker 3: even if it is Biden, and I think it will be,

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Speaker 3: I think it's very hard for Democrats to change course

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Speaker 3: this late in the game. But who knows. But even

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Speaker 3: if it is Biden, I think it's probably going to

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Speaker 3: be a decently close election. We can't sort of rest

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Speaker 3: on our laurels here just because the polling looad it's

446
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Speaker 3: good for Donald Trump. You're out the way they're going

447
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Speaker 3: to take them down, I think is pretty clearly using

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Speaker 3: the Department of Justice in order to do it. They've

449
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Speaker 3: already telegraphed the play here, which is why I think Republicans, look,

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Speaker 3: whoever your candidate is. I think for most of us

451
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Speaker 3: at this point, it's Donald Trump. But we can't sort

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Speaker 3: of give into the law fare and say we're going

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Speaker 3: to let Jack Smith and Merrick Garland decide who our

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Speaker 3: nominee is going to be. I hear this from a

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Speaker 3: lot of Conservatives, who I think are fundamentally good people.

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Speaker 3: They'll say, well, I'm so worried about the legal lawsuits

457
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Speaker 3: against Donald Trump that I want to pick a different candidate. Well, then,

458
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Speaker 3: aren't you just letting this corrupt Justice Department choose your

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Speaker 3: nominee for you. We have to get it out there,

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Speaker 3: we have to talk about it. We have to make

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Speaker 3: the American people aware of the fact that they really

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Speaker 3: are using the Department of Justice to engage in election interference.

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Speaker 3: That to me, is the game we have to play,

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Speaker 3: because that's the game the Democrats are going to push

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Speaker 3: on Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: Jad. I'm sure you saw it.

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Speaker 1: The Axios report said that you are one of the

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Speaker 1: top contenders to be Donald Trump's vice presidential pick. I

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Speaker 1: know you probably are enjoyed your time in the Senate

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Speaker 1: and you just got there. If Trump is the nominee,

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Speaker 1: would you be willing to leave the Senate to work

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Speaker 1: somewhere else or are you pretty much buckled down and

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Speaker 1: you think the most advantageous use of your skills would

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Speaker 1: be to stay in the Senate no matter what.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I.

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Speaker 3: Really like my job and I want to stay in

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Speaker 3: the Senate. That said, of course, if Trump asked me,

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Speaker 3: I'd be an idiot not to consider it. I'd be

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Speaker 3: very honored by the ask. But I do think that

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Speaker 3: we have to remember that one of the big problems

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Speaker 3: of Trump administration round one was that you had congressional

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Speaker 3: Republicans actively fighting the agenda. I think, especially on the

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Speaker 3: things I care most about, which is the border, which

484
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Speaker 3: is our trade policies, especially vs. V.

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Speaker 2: China.

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Speaker 3: You can't have a Republican set of legislators that is

487
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Speaker 3: actively fighting against the people's elected president. So I think

488
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Speaker 3: it's important that we have you know, America first style

489
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Speaker 3: conservatives in Congress pushing the agenda legislatively. That's the goal

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Speaker 3: of me personally, that's the way I think I can

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Speaker 3: best served the people of Ohio who elected me. But certainly,

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Speaker 3: like I'm going to help President Trump get over the

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Speaker 3: finish line. And if he asked me, I'm not going

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Speaker 3: to pretend. You know, you always hear these apolitians like,

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Speaker 3: oh well, you know, they try to him and hon

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Speaker 3: get out of the answer. I'm going to think about

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Speaker 3: it if he asks me, but I don't think that

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Speaker 3: he will, and I think that my best role is

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Speaker 3: to be a senator.

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Speaker 2: You know, JD. There's been a lot of back and

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Speaker 2: forth about Ukraine recently, whether it's just on the debate

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Speaker 2: stage of the of the primary or you know, in

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Speaker 2: the course of the news cycle and the congressional funding

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Speaker 2: for it. Where are you on that right now? And

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Speaker 2: I mean we just talked about the possibility of you

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Speaker 2: may be being part of the executive branch, But whether

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Speaker 2: you are or not, you're certainly a voice on this

508
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Speaker 2: issue that people on the right are going to be

509
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Speaker 2: hearing from and should pay attention to. Do you think

510
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Speaker 2: that we've reached a new phase where people are recognizing

511
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Speaker 2: that the Ukrainian resistance, however glorious somebody may think it

512
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Speaker 2: is or whatever, is not going to be able to

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Speaker 2: actually beat Russia in this fight, or where do you

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Speaker 2: put this?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think people were starting to wake up and

516
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Speaker 3: smell what's actually going on here, which is whatever bravery

517
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Speaker 3: we might commend on the Ukrainian side, it's clearly not

518
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Speaker 3: going to be enough to return Russia to the nineteen

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Speaker 3: ninety one borders. I've been saying this for a while,

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Speaker 3: but you even see members of Zelenski's own government, the

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Speaker 3: leader of his military said recently that there's no way

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Speaker 3: they can decisively beat Russia on the battlefield. This thing

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Speaker 3: has been a stalemate, And as I've said repeatedly, everybody

524
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Speaker 3: with a brain realizes that this was always going to

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Speaker 3: end in negotiation. Where you draw the line, how the

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Speaker 3: fighting stops, how you hopefully prevent the fighting from picking

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Speaker 3: back up again and the war from restarting. Was going

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Speaker 3: to be the subject of a major negotiation, obviously between

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Speaker 3: the Russians and the Ukrainians, but also between the Americans,

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Speaker 3: between NATO and a lot of other interested parties. The

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Speaker 3: fact that we have tried so hard to convince the

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Speaker 3: American peace people that a country with a fifth of

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Speaker 3: the population of Russia was going to be able to

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Speaker 3: throw them back to the nineteen ninety one borders, where

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Speaker 3: you have even some insane people on the American side

536
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Speaker 3: saying that we were going to depose Vladimir Putin and

537
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Speaker 3: do regime change in Russia, which, by the way, is

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Speaker 3: scary because maybe the first thon you get is better

539
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Speaker 3: than Putin. Maybe the first thing you get is worse

540
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Speaker 3: than Putin with his finger on the nuclear trigger. So yeah,

541
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Speaker 3: I think we're waking up here. The thing I'd encourage

542
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Speaker 3: all your listeners to appreciate here is that if this

543
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Speaker 3: goes on much further, Ukraine will become a rump country

544
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Speaker 3: that completely depends on Western support to even function to

545
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Speaker 3: pay its retirees, to do the basic tasks of civil

546
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Speaker 3: government like repair the roads and infrastructure. The average age

547
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Speaker 3: of a Ukrainian soldier is forty three. That's only increasing.

548
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Speaker 3: They don't have nearly enough young men to keep on fighting.

549
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Speaker 3: They don't have nearly enough people to run a country

550
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Speaker 3: of their size. This gets worse and worse the longer

551
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Speaker 3: it goes on, which is why I think we should

552
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Speaker 3: be bringing it to a rapid close.

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Speaker 2: JD.

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Speaker 1: You've got a really good legal background, and you mentioned

555
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Speaker 1: the Jack Smith appeal to the Supreme Court, and I

556
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: know a lot of our audience is having we try

557
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Speaker 1: to keep them updated. But there's so many different legal

558
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: maneuverings and complicated legalities there. What do you think the

559
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Speaker 1: Supreme Court should do? I think you probably agree with

560
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Speaker 1: me and with Buck that there's no way Donald Trump

561
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Speaker 1: should be standing trial in this ham handed campaign of

562
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: the Democrats to try to use law air against him

563
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Speaker 1: in an election year. But now that the Supreme Court

564
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Speaker 1: is getting drawn in that, they're being asked, hey make

565
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Speaker 1: a ruling on whether this is within the scope of

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Speaker 1: Trump's presidential powers or not, i e. Whether he can

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Speaker 1: even be prosecuted at all. You know, if they say

568
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: he can't, then they're going to say, well, of course not.

569
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Speaker 1: Trump appointed three of these judges. They're going to attack

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Speaker 1: the legitimacy. They may even say, this is why we

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Speaker 1: need to pack the court. Pretend that you were a

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court justice right now, you understand all of these

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Speaker 1: different swirling dynamics. How, in your mind is the best

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Speaker 1: way the Supreme Court could handle the situation that Jacksmith

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Speaker 1: and the Democrats are putting them in.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So, look, I'm hardly an expert on the law here.

578
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Speaker 3: So I don't want to pretend that I know all

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Speaker 3: the ins and outs, but there are two basic things

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Speaker 3: that I think the Supreme Court could do. So obviously,

581
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Speaker 3: it could take up the case as I understand it

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Speaker 3: and say, look that president has broad immunity here. Presidential

583
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Speaker 3: powers cover everything that he did, and they throw out

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Speaker 3: the case. I would obviously be very happy with that.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if that's something the Supreme Court is

586
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Speaker 3: actually going to do. But the worst and most important

587
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Speaker 3: thing for the Supreme Court to avoid is to weigh

588
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Speaker 3: in and to do it in a way that's politically

589
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Speaker 3: expedient for Jack Smith. You can't have the Supreme Court

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Speaker 3: sort of jump into this thing, because normally you would

591
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Speaker 3: expect a lower repellate court to hear this before the

592
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Speaker 3: Supreme Court even considered it. So what you really can't

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Speaker 3: have is for the Supreme Court to jump the gun,

594
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Speaker 3: to hear this thing early, and to do it in

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Speaker 3: a way that enables Jack Smith to get what I

596
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 3: think is fundamentally a fraudile at trial through by election day.

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00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 3: Because that again, this is the thing that I actually

598
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 3: do worry about, is all of this law there and

599
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 3: the Supreme Court shouldn't participate in it. At the very least,

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Speaker 3: that should be the bare minimum mask of a Supreme

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Speaker 3: Court that's applying the law.

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Speaker 2: JD Vance Center from Ohio. JD. We're going to be

603
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 2: needing to talk to you this year. Things are going

604
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 2: to get kind of crazy in the election. So come

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Speaker 2: back soon. All right, Thanks Sheleman, take care, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: On Welcome Back to Play. In coming up in the

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Speaker 2: next hour, we're gonna return to this issue of the

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Speaker 2: two out of three presidents of elite universities who have

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Speaker 2: not yet resigned. MIT and Harvard have not resigned the

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Speaker 2: former now president of the University of Pennsylvania. Calls are

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Speaker 2: getting louder for first, well for both MIT and Harvard's

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Speaker 2: some controversy, at least on the left of hamas prisoners

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Speaker 2: being taken into custody and being taken in in their underwear,

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Speaker 2: and people are trying to say, look, this show's Oh no,

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Speaker 2: I will explain what it shows, and it is not

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Speaker 2: something that the the haters of Israel will tell you

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Speaker 2: because they want to pretend that it's something that it's not.

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Speaker 2: So we'll get into some of those things here coming up.

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Speaker 2: We also got some calls, some vip emails and let's

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Speaker 2: do it. Phillip in Wisconsin, what have you got first

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Speaker 2: in the polls, Hey, guys, leave the.

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Speaker 5: Ten point lead in Michigan poll. But for a different reason.

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Speaker 5: I think if they had come out and said two

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Speaker 5: of the three points, that's believable. Ten points in the

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Speaker 5: land of Gretchen Whitmer, it's just unbelievable. I think. I

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Speaker 5: don't think it has to do with trying to bamboozle

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Speaker 5: Trump supporters. I think it has to do with they

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Speaker 5: exaggerate the numbers to that extent.

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Speaker 1: So tell guys, thank you for the call. And I

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Speaker 1: think he's raising an interesting question buck. Most of these polls,

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Speaker 1: a lot of them have a Democrat and a Republican

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Speaker 1: Journal poll that just came out on Saturday that had

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Speaker 1: is he mentally able, basically or physically able to be president?

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Speaker 1: That Trump dominates Biden by thirty four points there in

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Speaker 1: order to believe that they are rigging the poll results.

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Speaker 1: Trump's lead polster is the co polster for that Wall

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Speaker 1: Street Journal poll. They try to address bias by having

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Speaker 1: a Democrat and a Republican often involved on both sides.

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Speaker 1: So it would require a lot of dishonesty at basically

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Speaker 1: every polster.

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Speaker 2: Agreeing to tell a lie. And I just don't find

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Speaker 2: that to be I don't to be true. This is

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Speaker 2: where conspiracies like that can't hold together. It's too complicated,

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Speaker 2: too many moving pieces, too many parts, and not the

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Speaker 2: motivations you would need to do it in the first place.

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Speaker 2: As you're pointing out. So I think the polls are

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Speaker 2: what they are. They are an accurate gauge of the

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Speaker 2: sentiment right now, and it's it's just kind of hard

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Speaker 2: to trust for a lot of us out there that

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Speaker 2: right now the sentiment is Trump is crushing Joe Biden