Speaker 1: If someone is diagnosed with cancer tomorrow, what are some
Speaker 1: of the key messages you'd want them to hear.
Speaker 2: I mean, the first thing, without exception, always is the
Speaker 2: belief and the hope that you can survive.
Speaker 3: Sam, thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 1: So your book is all about the iradic approach to
Speaker 1: healing cancer, it was so much more than that. It
Speaker 1: was something that I think every single person should read
Speaker 1: to understand the deeper connections that they can have to
Speaker 1: their body. What are the foods that people should be
Speaker 1: eating as part of an anti cancer.
Speaker 2: Diet, green tea or Matcher. We know in lab tests
Speaker 2: you can put a breast cancer cell, you can drop
Speaker 2: a Matcher molecule onto you will literally see the breast
Speaker 2: cancer cell destruct. Oh my god. Yeah.
Speaker 1: What do you think are the main contributors to the
Speaker 1: increase in cancer at the moment?
Speaker 2: It's very clear to see why we are getting iller,
Speaker 2: not just iNTS a cancer, but heart disease, Alzheimer's, because
Speaker 2: we're living in a world and that makes it very
Speaker 2: easy to be sick. Ah, you've read has these two
Speaker 2: parallel treatments where one is yes to destroy cancer. So
Speaker 2: you have to destroy it because it's growing but the
Speaker 2: more powerful avenue is to actually reintellectualize, re educate the
Speaker 2: cancer self.
Speaker 1: I'm Radi Davlukiah and on my podcast a Really Good Cry,
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Speaker 3: Sam, thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 2: That's natally privilege. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: I'm like fangirling right now because after reading your book
Speaker 1: and hearing you speak, I am obviously such a fan
Speaker 1: of I Vader, but then to see someone be able
Speaker 1: to take something that is so beautiful but also very
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Speaker 1: I am so grateful and I'm so excited to share
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Speaker 3: So thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: It's a real privilege to be here, so thank you
Speaker 2: for having me on. I really appreciate you.
Speaker 1: It was so fascinating before this, before we turn the
Speaker 1: cameras on, I was asking you about how you came
Speaker 1: across Aravada, and I would love if you could just
Speaker 1: share a little bit of that if you don't mind
Speaker 1: with people, just to give context.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like I was saying, I was very
Speaker 2: very privileged to come to it very early in that
Speaker 2: my family's closest friend, my next door neighbor, but one
Speaker 2: was a seventh generation Sri Lankan conventional doctor, homeopathic doctor
Speaker 2: are Evader. The full frame up really and you know,
Speaker 2: long long family meals around the table exploring the spirituality
Speaker 2: of our evader and the lifestyle of ar Evader, and
Speaker 2: that then leading into asking questions around well what about
Speaker 2: in terms of health and how we live and adopt
Speaker 2: this and moving into that sphere from yet twelve thirteen
Speaker 2: years of age and all the way through really and
Speaker 2: having that learning from someone who's lived and breathed it
Speaker 2: for their whole life and from a very authentic place,
Speaker 2: is a you know, seventh generation custodian of knowledge that
Speaker 2: you can't really find in books, you can't find in
Speaker 2: training courses. Ye's something you have to have absorbed through
Speaker 2: a very long period of time, and to have been
Speaker 2: exposed to that from such a young age is something
Speaker 2: that I'm grateful for beyond words really, because it's allowed
Speaker 2: me to do what I'm doing now.
Speaker 1: And what was it about Iveda when you first started
Speaker 1: learning about it, because obviously from a Western perspective, it
Speaker 1: can be a little bit far out. What was it
Speaker 1: about Iravida that made you feel like it was your
Speaker 1: calling or that it felt like the right path.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was the breadth of it that
Speaker 2: I've never come across anything before or since. That impacts
Speaker 2: upon every facet of life. There's not one part, one nuance,
Speaker 2: part of one person that can't be positively impacted upon
Speaker 2: by our evader, whether that's clinically, whether it's in terms
Speaker 2: of the spirituality, whether it's in terms of the lifestyle practices,
Speaker 2: the psychology. I think if we're to live fully live lives,
Speaker 2: you know you've read to talk about this idea of
Speaker 2: living in the magic where your life is this unfolding
Speaker 2: of blissful existence. We can always improve that. And the
Speaker 2: more I dived into our Uvada, what I saw was
Speaker 2: a blueprint for actually facilitating there not a shotgun like
Speaker 2: try a bit of this, try and bit of that.
Speaker 2: It was all there, it was documented, it was time testing,
Speaker 2: it was systematic, and it's it's easy to adopt. I
Speaker 2: think one of the misconceptions about Our Evader is it
Speaker 2: it's so restrictive and so complex. And I think that's
Speaker 2: probably how it's been misconstrued in the West, because it's
Speaker 2: not is it it's simple, it's it's common censer call. It'salistic.
Speaker 2: And it was that breadth that really grabbed me initially
Speaker 2: because I wanted the more you learn, the more you
Speaker 2: want to know, and it just it will you know
Speaker 2: if I live to be one hundred or never get there? Yeah,
Speaker 2: because there's always more questions to ask.
Speaker 1: I love that When I first came across Ivada, I
Speaker 1: just fell in love with the fact that it helped
Speaker 1: me understand myself better.
Speaker 3: It wasn't it was.
Speaker 1: It was technical, but in a sense of hey, the
Speaker 1: more that you tune in, the more you know, the
Speaker 1: more you can heal.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the more that you tune into what's around you,
Speaker 1: the more you can heal. And so it really was
Speaker 1: this guide to life and living and actually being present
Speaker 1: and conscious in the moments around you, whether it's in relationships,
Speaker 1: whether it's your relationship to yourself, whether it's your relationship
Speaker 1: to your environment. It's just it's so incredible how it encompasses,
Speaker 1: like you said, every single part of this world in
Speaker 1: some way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's what one of the analogies
Speaker 2: I always give is people always ask me, you know, quickly,
Speaker 2: what is are you've aded, and you could provide, you know,
Speaker 2: the standard answer, But the way I always articulate, I
Speaker 2: always think about it, it was almost like a car service manual.
Speaker 2: You know, if you drive a Ford and you take
Speaker 2: it in for its annual service, which you have to
Speaker 2: do to keep the car in tip top shape. Yeah,
Speaker 2: if you take it to a Mercedes garage with the
Speaker 2: wrong manual, you're not going to be going to help
Speaker 2: it. It hasn't got the specific requirements. And that's what I
Speaker 2: think with our bodies. You know, what's great for you
Speaker 2: is not going to be great for me. And how
Speaker 2: do we transform our health and optimize our wellbeing and
Speaker 2: our quality of life unless we do things that are
Speaker 2: unique to us as individuals. To the service manual that's
Speaker 2: unique to my body, my metabolism, mine needs, my dreams,
Speaker 2: and that there's never going to be anyone else with
Speaker 2: the same idiosyncrasis as you or I, so we have
Speaker 2: to acknowledge those and take them into account. And you know,
Speaker 2: our evader is that is the primary blueprint for how
Speaker 2: we customize and individualize every part of us. And that
Speaker 2: power is I think if people understood that power of
Speaker 2: individualized life transformation that are Eveady gives you, people will
Speaker 2: be clamoring down the doors to adopt it. You know,
Speaker 2: you know they are. I know it's increasing, but you
Speaker 2: want more and more people to know about it, don't you.
Speaker 1: It also takes a level of wanting to be actively
Speaker 1: participating in your own health. And I think from a
Speaker 1: you know, a young age, I speak about this a lot,
Speaker 1: but I think from a young age you're kind of
Speaker 1: told to put your health into other people's hands, and
Speaker 1: it kind of takes away your power to heal yourself massively,
Speaker 1: for to understand your body. Because as soon as you
Speaker 1: get cold, I'll go to the doctor. As soon as
Speaker 1: you get any even small thing that happens in your body,
Speaker 1: you're kind of told you're not equipped to handle this,
Speaker 1: so go to somebody else who knows. And of course
Speaker 1: there are professionals, but I think a basic level understanding
Speaker 1: of your own body can help you to prevent and
Speaker 1: heal so much more than we think we're capable of doing.
Speaker 2: Her body is so powerful, just need to exactly.
Speaker 1: So. Your book is all about the iratic approach to
Speaker 1: healing cancer, and I was so fascinated by so much
Speaker 1: in it because as much as it was about cancer,
Speaker 1: it was so much more than that. It was something
Speaker 1: that I think every single person should read to understand
Speaker 1: the deeper connections that they can have to their body,
Speaker 1: to understand the energetic abilities of the things around them,
Speaker 1: their thoughts, their actions, how it impacts their body to
Speaker 1: a cellular level. So actually, yes, this is a book
Speaker 1: about cancer, but I would say to anybody listening, it
Speaker 1: is way more than that, and you will get so
Speaker 1: much that you need to learn about your own body
Speaker 1: and your own life that will take you beyond just
Speaker 1: having an illness. In my opinion, and so thank you
Speaker 1: for writing that. It was phenomenal. But I would love
Speaker 1: for you to maybe describe I don't know whether there
Speaker 1: is a simple way of doing this, but in IVEDA,
Speaker 1: how is cancer understood or framed differently to Western medicine.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of similarities, but I think
Speaker 2: the difference is it's the it's the beautiful holistic understanding
Speaker 2: of cancer in that rather than being something that's to
Speaker 2: be identified aggressively destroyed like this warfare, it views it
Speaker 2: through a different lens. And it's something called amcara, which
Speaker 2: is a It's one of the most beautiful concepts in
Speaker 2: our Evader, which is amcara is kind of like cellular intelligence,
Speaker 2: you know, with what makes an I cell work as
Speaker 2: an I celler not a liver cell, And what makes
Speaker 2: an apple seed only make an apple, not a cucumber.
Speaker 2: It sounds silly, but everything organic has to reproduce itself.
Speaker 2: And in our Evader, the cancer journey develops when a
Speaker 2: cell loses it's amcara. And that could be because we've
Speaker 2: been exposed to castnogens, or it could be stress, or
Speaker 2: it could be a genetic predisposition. But when you get
Speaker 2: a healthy sell, you know, every cell in the body,
Speaker 2: every healthy cell and the body has an ancaric message,
Speaker 2: which is I need to die after a certain period
Speaker 2: of time to preserve the health of the host. Every
Speaker 2: cell's sole objective is to keep the body healthy. But
Speaker 2: when a cell becomes pre malignant and then fully malignant,
Speaker 2: it loses that amcara. So rather than viewing itself to
Speaker 2: serve the body, it views itself as a renegade. It's
Speaker 2: working in complete isolation, and it will get to a
Speaker 2: point where, because it's working in isolation, it doesn't see
Speaker 2: itself as working as part of the body an it was.
Speaker 2: It kind of sees that the body hasn't got its back.
Speaker 2: It's isolated, it's scared, it's working as a renegade. So
Speaker 2: the only kind of way it can ensure its own
Speaker 2: survival is to do one thing, which is to replicate.
Speaker 2: And it's at that point the cancer journey begins. And
Speaker 2: what's interesting is lots of Western doctors like Dean Ornish,
Speaker 2: Zach Bush, in a very high profile you know, public
Speaker 2: figures in health talk about this idea of a cancer
Speaker 2: cell being a lost, confused, isolated cell and aar you
Speaker 2: Veda has these two parallel treatments where one is yes,
Speaker 2: to destroy cancer cells. You have to destroy it because
Speaker 2: it's growing, it's proliferating. But the more powerful avenue whilst
Speaker 2: you're doing that is to actually reintellectualize, re educate the cancer.
Speaker 2: So that what you're doing is wrong, and if we
Speaker 2: can reawaken ANCARA, you can reprogram that that cellular behavior,
Speaker 2: so a cancer cell can morph back into a normal cell.
Speaker 2: And what I love about that is that if we
Speaker 2: were having this conversation five years ago, there would be people,
Speaker 2: you know, coming out of the raft saying, well, that's
Speaker 2: absolute rubbish. Cancer cell can't become a healthy cell. That's
Speaker 2: just Eastern esoteric rubbish. Whereas in the last few years
Speaker 2: there's been numerous clinical trials that have now proven that
Speaker 2: a cancer cell can revert back to normal cell behavior,
Speaker 2: which is what we AMCARA is a clinical replicated model
Speaker 2: of ANCARA. So I love the idea that aaru Veda
Speaker 2: doesn't just view this slash burn cut in a wall
Speaker 2: war fair destruction, destruction. It's about this just holistic reintellectualizing
Speaker 2: of a cancer cell to behave normally, to come back
Speaker 2: into line, to preserve the health of the body, whilst
Speaker 2: at the same time using treatments that will help to
Speaker 2: destroy the established cancer cells. But it's much more holistic,
Speaker 2: it's less violent in terms of the connotations and the language.
Speaker 2: And I think the West needs that. I think because
Speaker 2: it's whatever way you cut it, a cancer cell is
Speaker 2: still part of your body. Its still part of you.
Speaker 2: We have to remove it. But do we want that
Speaker 2: warfare raging in us? Because generally speaking, most things that
Speaker 2: come about through violence probably aren't going to be good,
Speaker 2: and that includes this. So when a e've ea talks
Speaker 2: about cancer, it talks about it as these two avenues
Speaker 2: of Yes, we have to destroy it, but we have
Speaker 2: to do it in a holistic, intuitive way rather than
Speaker 2: this very aggressive way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so beautiful.
Speaker 1: And why do you think you know, if you think
Speaker 1: about over the last few years or even the last
Speaker 1: ten years, from my understanding, the statistics show that the
Speaker 1: amount of the cancer that's occurring in people, it's like
Speaker 1: one in two people rather than one in three or
Speaker 1: one in four. What do you think are the main
Speaker 1: contributors to the increase in cancer at the moment.
Speaker 2: I think lifestyle and environment. I mean, the data is
Speaker 2: pretty clear that around between seventeen and eighty percent of
Speaker 2: probably all cancers have their origin in what we do
Speaker 2: and what we don't do, for better or worse. And
Speaker 2: I think you look at the pediatric cancers, you know,
Speaker 2: the prevalence is going through the roof and they typically
Speaker 2: don't have the you know, the stress that adults have
Speaker 2: in terms of mortgages and relate. I know some kids
Speaker 2: obviously do have stress, but generally speaking, and I think,
Speaker 2: you know, you look at diets, you look at the
Speaker 2: kinds of foods people are fueling their bodies with, you
Speaker 2: look at the circadian disruption we're exposed to, and it's
Speaker 2: very I think if you actually look at it, it's
Speaker 2: very clear to see why we are getting iller, not
Speaker 2: just intos a cancer, but heart disease, Alzheimer's because we're
Speaker 2: living in a world and we're living in an environment
Speaker 2: that makes it very easy to be sick and very
Speaker 2: I think quite hard actually to be well. You have
Speaker 2: to be very aware of what you're doing. And yeah,
Speaker 2: so I think I think environment, I think lifestyle. I think,
Speaker 2: you know, including diet are other big players for sure.
Speaker 1: And you spoke about reprogramming these cells. And so if
Speaker 1: someone is diagnosed with cancer tomorrow they find out that
Speaker 1: they're diagnosed with it, what are some of the key
Speaker 1: things you'd want them to know from the beginning. If
Speaker 1: they don't get time to read your book, what are
Speaker 1: some of the key messages you'd want them to hear.
Speaker 2: I mean, the first thing, without exception, always is the
Speaker 2: belief and the hope that you can survive. And I think,
Speaker 2: you know my passion. In academic cancer research just something
Speaker 2: called ecaps ECAP, which is the clinical term for exceptional
Speaker 2: cancer patients. These are the individuals with terminal prognosis. They're
Speaker 2: usually given less than twelve months to live. You know,
Speaker 2: I hate the word terminal, but for one of ourn
Speaker 2: alternative given less than twelve months to live that they
Speaker 2: don't typically have conventional treatment because the risks outweigh any rewards,
Speaker 2: and they have that ability to look they're on cologists
Speaker 2: in the eye and say, I respect your opinions, and
Speaker 2: I respect you, and I respect your statistics, but I
Speaker 2: choose my own reality. And that reality is it in
Speaker 2: ten years, I'm going to be here. I'm going to
Speaker 2: be here fitting well, and this is how I'm going
Speaker 2: to do it. And I've you know, had the privilege
Speaker 2: of working with hundreds and hundreds of these ecaps over
Speaker 2: the years, and the single biggest predictor of what allows
Speaker 2: someone to become exceptional is the belief that it can
Speaker 2: be done. And that's true whether you've got stage one
Speaker 2: localized cancer or stage four in curable cancer, you have
Speaker 2: to you have to cultivate a belief and a mindset
Speaker 2: that I can overcome this, because we know that you
Speaker 2: could be using the best diet and the best chemo
Speaker 2: therapeutics and the best this, the best that. But if
Speaker 2: the silent whisper in yourselves is what's the point. I'm
Speaker 2: going to be dead in twelve months. So all the
Speaker 2: other things are vital in some cases they're mandatory. But
Speaker 2: unless you get your headspace into a place where you
Speaker 2: genuinely can look yourself in the mirror and say I
Speaker 2: can overcome this, I don't think you can get the
Speaker 2: level of success or the level of potential that you
Speaker 2: could otherwise get. So hope and belief are always the
Speaker 2: first things to cultivate. Get that set up, and then
Speaker 2: go again.
Speaker 1: I've heard you speak about the molecules of emotion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I would love you to explain that because I
Speaker 1: thought it was so powerful when I read it, and
Speaker 1: how your mind and what you think actually affects you
Speaker 1: at a cellular level, and that that's been proven.
Speaker 3: I would love you to expand on this.
Speaker 2: The biggest thing I think it's the I think it's
Speaker 2: everything yeah. And the beauty of this is, you know,
Speaker 2: whether you're any illness, any issue, anything you're managing that
Speaker 2: you don't want, this relates to because the molecules of
Speaker 2: emotion relate to these neuropeptides which were discovered. They've been
Speaker 2: known about it for a very long time. They're literally
Speaker 2: molecules of emotion. So if you're happy, if you're sad,
Speaker 2: if you're depressed or empowered, you actually can track these molecules,
Speaker 2: these peptides that are being secreted in response to your emotions.
Speaker 2: And it used to be thought that only your brain
Speaker 2: could create these molecules, that only the brain could be
Speaker 2: conscious and create emotions. And then very famous doctor Canda's
Speaker 2: per you know, bombshell, you know, shockwaves around the scientific
Speaker 2: community when she discovered that every cell in the body
Speaker 2: is capable of secreting these peptides, which is exactly the
Speaker 2: same as saying that every cell can secrete emotions, can
Speaker 2: experience emotions and secrete them. And the implications of that,
Speaker 2: you know, we've got thirty forty trillion cells in the
Speaker 2: body and everyone is secreting a little molecule of emotion
Speaker 2: that is going to profoundly all to the workings of
Speaker 2: the body in a way that I don't think anything
Speaker 2: else can. And there's very few things that work on
Speaker 2: every single cell. So when we think about in the
Speaker 2: context of cancer or any health issue, if we are
Speaker 2: experiencing thoughts of helplessness, hopelessness, disempowerment, fear, lack of agency,
Speaker 2: that affects our quality of life cognitively. But every cell
Speaker 2: in the body is secreting these little molecules of emotions
Speaker 2: saying I'm helpless, I'm hopeless, I'm fearful. What's the point.
Speaker 2: So just when you need yourselves to be absolutely in
Speaker 2: tip top health, the life's being sucked out of them
Speaker 2: by these emotional responses. And frustratingly, it's the immune system
Speaker 2: that's most susceptible to this. So we know we can
Speaker 2: tracking the blood work that if you have someone who
Speaker 2: is experiencing not negative emotions, but undesirable emotions, that you
Speaker 2: can correlate that with a declining immune function, which in
Speaker 2: the context of all illness, particularly cancer, you have to
Speaker 2: have that immune system firing on all cylinders. But the
Speaker 2: converse is true, is that if you can take someone
Speaker 2: on the journey against which is why hope and belief
Speaker 2: is so integral where they move from helplessness and hopelessness
Speaker 2: and disempowerment into a devil may care. I've got this,
Speaker 2: I can, I will. Were they cultivating a genuine belief
Speaker 2: that I don't care what you put in front of me,
Speaker 2: I can overcome this. Every cell in the body secretes
Speaker 2: these peptis that say we've got this, we can do this.
Speaker 2: And then what happens. Immune function increases, your liver function,
Speaker 2: blood work, The whole body moves from a place of
Speaker 2: dysfunction to optimal functionality. And it's not done by anything
Speaker 2: other than the mindset you cultivate. And that's true of
Speaker 2: any arena of life, whether it's a career or relationship,
Speaker 2: a health crisis. You want your cells and your organs
Speaker 2: working with you, not against you, and that every every emotion, blief, thought,
Speaker 2: attitude that you have will be experienced in the body.
Speaker 2: Not possibly, maybe sometimes it has to be. It's no choice.
Speaker 2: But we can impact upon these cells by regulating what
Speaker 2: we do up here and there learned skills. Cancer patients
Speaker 2: can learn these tools for creating hope and empowerment. So
Speaker 2: these the molecules of emotion, the neuropeptided. It's mind body
Speaker 2: medicine that you can track in blood and it changes
Speaker 2: everything and it has to be mobilized.
Speaker 3: That is amazing.
Speaker 1: And I you know, I was saying to you before
Speaker 1: that my grandma has bomar and cance at the moment.
Speaker 1: And she actually got dying a couple of years ago
Speaker 1: with Hodgkinson's lymphoma.
Speaker 3: And when she got diagnosed with that.
Speaker 1: A couple of years ago, the doctors were not very hopeful,
Speaker 1: and also they told her she should do chemo. She
Speaker 1: started chemo, and they wanted her to do it for
Speaker 1: a certain amount of time, and honestly, my grandma is
Speaker 1: everything you're saying, my grandma is.
Speaker 3: She was like, cancer, no problem, I've got this, So
Speaker 3: God's got me. I'm fine, to the point where.
Speaker 1: Everyone was shocked at her. Everyone was crying around her.
Speaker 1: My mom was crying, my uncles were crying. Everyone was upset.
Speaker 1: And they came back and from the doctors and they
Speaker 1: said she's fine, and everyone was like, did she understand
Speaker 1: what's happened? And she was like, oh yeah, so let's
Speaker 1: just if the doctors have said to dou chemo, let's
Speaker 1: do chemo. And she spends already ninety percent of her
Speaker 1: time in prayer. But during that time you would hear
Speaker 1: her and she doesn't speak much English, but she would
Speaker 1: say to God like.
Speaker 3: Oh, my body's fine. I to be fine.
Speaker 1: Just help me and guy me in whichever way it's
Speaker 1: supposed to be. And everything was from a positive mindset,
Speaker 1: not why is this happening to me? This is awful,
Speaker 1: this is horrible. And then she was meant to have
Speaker 1: I can't remember how much of chemo she was meant
Speaker 1: to have. Let's say six months. I'm just giving a
Speaker 1: number because I can't remember. Within four months, they said
Speaker 1: that she seems like she's in remission and she doesn't
Speaker 1: need the rest of her treatment. So they actually stopped treating.
Speaker 2: Her after awesome.
Speaker 1: And she thrived for like two years after that, and
Speaker 1: she was phenomenal, and everyone thought at that time that
Speaker 1: it probably wasn't even going to be a month or
Speaker 1: two and she's another cancer has come back for her.
Speaker 1: But she's ninety one now, and you know, even then,
Speaker 1: her mind, her body is failing her to some degree,
Speaker 1: but she still is in this belief that her body
Speaker 1: is doing exactly what it's supposed to and it's going
Speaker 1: to help her in whichever way it can, and it's
Speaker 1: just that's incredible to see. But even when I reflect
Speaker 1: in my life, I used to go through when I
Speaker 1: was younger saying I've got such a bad immune system
Speaker 1: and I just keep getting ill.
Speaker 3: And didn't I say that out loud so much?
Speaker 1: And over the last I say, eight nine years since
Speaker 1: I started learning about Aravada, every time someone will say
Speaker 1: don't do this, you're gonna get sick to I was like,
Speaker 1: my body's fine. Actually, my immune system is incredible. Actually
Speaker 1: I touched. Would haven't been ill for a really long time,
Speaker 1: and I'm always like, oh, maybe I'll get evil like that.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I and honestly, every time
Speaker 1: someone oh, if you getting a cold, I said, no,
Speaker 1: I just need to have a little bit of tumoric
Speaker 1: or I need to have a bit of this. I
Speaker 1: never say, oh, I'm feeling really sick, or oh I've
Speaker 1: had this for so long.
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, I'm good, I'm good. Have you got COVID. No,
Speaker 3: I'm good. I'm going to be fine in a couple
Speaker 3: of days.
Speaker 1: And honestly, I would say after reading a book, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, that change in narrative, not only vocally,
Speaker 1: but in my mind of believing that I would say
Speaker 1: to my body, no, you can do this. This is
Speaker 1: whether it's whether it's in a workout, whether it's emotionally,
Speaker 1: when I'm going through something difficult, whether it's when I
Speaker 1: found out my grandma had cancer, whether it's when I'm
Speaker 1: feeling unwell, I'm like, no, you are fine because you're
Speaker 1: looking after bar, You're looking after your grandma, so you
Speaker 1: are not getting sick right now. And honestly, I feel
Speaker 1: like that mindset has completely shifted how my body reacts
Speaker 1: to that has to.
Speaker 2: It has to. There's no choice.
Speaker 3: I'm not giving you any joy.
Speaker 2: And that's the power of it is. It's not up
Speaker 2: to it's not up to the cells. The cells just
Speaker 2: taking the cues from you. And there are external variables,
Speaker 2: of course, there are yes, germs, and there's this, that
Speaker 2: and the other. But the bottom line is that the
Speaker 2: way our cells work are governed by the way we
Speaker 2: think and how we feel them and both of those
Speaker 2: we have autonomy over. Yeah, so we have, you know,
Speaker 2: and you can see so many situations in clinical medicine
Speaker 2: where the whole thing is set up to make us
Speaker 2: fail you know you have cancer, you go through trickment,
Speaker 2: you're told you're in remission. What does that actually mean
Speaker 2: is as a descriptive, it means you're waiting for it
Speaker 2: to come back. Yeah, so you don't have cancer. We're
Speaker 2: going to juste track you over the next five years.
Speaker 2: The remission, That subconscious is you've done well, but it's
Speaker 2: going to come back. It's that subliminal we're waiting for.
Speaker 3: It, and people do they do in that theory one.
Speaker 2: Not, You're a big pat on the back. The cancer's gone.
Speaker 2: Now we're going to track it for the next five years.
Speaker 2: Hopefully it will stay gone. There's a chance it will
Speaker 2: come back. If it does, will manage it. But at
Speaker 2: the moment, you don't have cancer. And that's all we
Speaker 2: need to know. And it's those subtle differences, but the
Speaker 2: way that plays out in the way our selves work
Speaker 2: is profound, so that in a narrative, I'm feeling tired,
Speaker 2: I've got a cold coming, I've got no energy, it's
Speaker 2: just reinforcing it. Whereas get out of bed and say
Speaker 2: the opposite, say I feel sprightly, I feel vital exactly.
Speaker 2: It's transformative and it gives agency. We claw back control,
Speaker 2: which is what we need.
Speaker 1: When you're living from that point of waiting for something
Speaker 1: to come back. Really, what you're doing is inviting it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because if you're thinking about it in that way, that
Speaker 1: mindset of oh, eventually it's going to happen or the
Speaker 1: fear actually ends up inviting that thing that you're trying
Speaker 1: to keep away. Because you're thinking about it in that way,
Speaker 1: you're inviting it back into your life. When you have
Speaker 1: that mindset of eventually, even if it's at the back
Speaker 1: of your mind, there it's still there.
Speaker 2: And you know, in clinical research it's called a nasibo.
Speaker 2: You know, placebo is where you get a good response
Speaker 2: from it spectation, you know, and no cebo where you
Speaker 2: get a negative response. It's just as powerful. So this
Speaker 2: is a documented fact in clinical research, and that if
Speaker 2: the study is done where if you have a hundred
Speaker 2: patients and they're all about to have the same chemotherapy
Speaker 2: and you tell half of them that they're going to
Speaker 2: get pretty significant vomiting and nausea, and you tell the
Speaker 2: other half that this chemotherapy doesn't have any side effects.
Speaker 2: The group that are told they're going to get nausea
Speaker 2: and vomiting get symptoms before the chemotherapy is administered. About
Speaker 2: thirty percent actually vomit before they are looked up to
Speaker 2: the IV, just because their brains telling them. So we
Speaker 2: have this phenomenal power to shape outcomes through creating a
Speaker 2: positive expectation. And when we listen to narratives, we listen
Speaker 2: to the way husbands and wives talk to each other,
Speaker 2: or to kids or to parents about health and expectations
Speaker 2: in life. It's all in printing a message. So it's
Speaker 2: so powerful.
Speaker 3: And would you.
Speaker 1: Say that this is applicable I know you mentioned it before,
Speaker 1: but any stage of cancer and any point and I'll
Speaker 1: add on to that. Would you say that it's enough
Speaker 1: for some people to not even have to go through
Speaker 1: the conventional medicine in terms of chemotherapy or do you
Speaker 1: believe that it should be both together?
Speaker 2: I think the sticky water, sticky ground. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: I think yeah, I mean, I think the integrate if
Speaker 2: the are e'vetic model, it can be used fully alongside
Speaker 2: conventional treatment. I think the decision to have conventional treatment
Speaker 2: is fully individualized. The other thing I always emphasize when
Speaker 2: people talk about having chemotherapy is to be absolutely clear
Speaker 2: on the outcome is it palliative. Is there no hope
Speaker 2: of cure? And if there's no hope of cure, is
Speaker 2: the benefit to life span going to be going to
Speaker 2: justify the quality of life deterioration you're going to get
Speaker 2: if it gives you next to four months, But that
Speaker 2: four months is in bed, you know, fitting really unwell.
Speaker 2: You have to weigh that up. So, Yeah, the r
Speaker 2: you'vetic approach the cancer can be used fully along side
Speaker 2: high conventional care. The decision around what that conventional care
Speaker 2: looks like needs to be based upon individual circumstances. But
Speaker 2: I think in terms of at what point does this
Speaker 2: you know, how far can you take this? You know,
Speaker 2: there are cases I've seen one and I've read dozens
Speaker 2: of people in hospice care who have been admitted from
Speaker 2: home care into hospice care, which means statistically, you've got
Speaker 2: probably less than ten days who have got up and
Speaker 2: walked out of their walk back home, You've gone back
Speaker 2: into recovery at home and are alive. The person nine
Speaker 2: know seven years later that even when you are at
Speaker 2: end of life care, there is the potential for the
Speaker 2: body to fight back. And that's not saying what I'm
Speaker 2: not saying is that everyone who's got stage four terminal
Speaker 2: cancer can survive. But what I think the most important
Speaker 2: message to propagate is that everyone has the potential to
Speaker 2: not possibly maybe Sometimes there isn't one cancer that someone
Speaker 2: with the terminal prognosis hasn't survived from. It hasn't become
Speaker 2: an ECAP, not one. So if you're listening to this
Speaker 2: and you've got stage four stomach cancer and you've been
Speaker 2: told you've got six months to live, the potential for
Speaker 2: you to write a different script is there. Unequivocally, it's
Speaker 2: just lining it up to allow that to give you
Speaker 2: the maximum chance. And that's why that hope is so powerful,
Speaker 2: because when all hope has been taken away, the most
Speaker 2: important thing you can do is rebuild it. And that
Speaker 2: the ECAP research is so important because it provides you
Speaker 2: with a documented clinical case study of there's someone with
Speaker 2: my diagnosis, my progress has done it. It becomes a
Speaker 2: clarion call for well, they've done it, why can't I
Speaker 2: do it?
Speaker 3: Exactly?
Speaker 2: And that changes everything again. So yeah, the ECP work
Speaker 2: is it's you know, if I was diagnosed or living
Speaker 2: with the terminal cancer, I'd want to know that someone
Speaker 2: has done it.
Speaker 1: I was just thinking that, whereas most of the time
Speaker 1: you're told, oh, this person lasted this long, or you're
Speaker 1: told time frames that are negative, because what if at
Speaker 1: your diagnosed you're told, you know what, we've had this
Speaker 1: many people that have gone through this and they've made it,
Speaker 1: and even if it's a smaller portion than that, haven't
Speaker 1: just hearing that before you hear how many people don't
Speaker 1: make it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, game changer. Yeah, instantly, the whole outlook for what
Speaker 2: you expect changes, and that expectation changes what happens. It
Speaker 2: is that self fulfilling prophecy, and we need there needs
Speaker 2: to be a change in the way information is given
Speaker 2: in clinical context so that infuses hope rather than hopelessness.
Speaker 1: Out of interest is just for my personal knowledge. Have
Speaker 1: you seen people heal holistically without using any Western medicine?
Speaker 2: Yes, oh yeah, so yeah, quite a few. So I
Speaker 2: used to run cancer survivorship groups at Crawley Hospital and
Speaker 2: there were three people that stand out there, one with
Speaker 2: liver cancer, one with prostate cancer, and one with breast
Speaker 2: cancer who for a variety of reasons, decided to not
Speaker 2: opt for conventional treatment given less than eight months to live.
Speaker 2: And all of them are they are now because I
Speaker 2: lost touch with them, But four or five years down
Speaker 2: the line, they were all fit well. They still had
Speaker 2: active cancer in their body. It was contained, it was
Speaker 2: pretty yeah. So you know, I have most decaps have
Speaker 2: gone through conventional treatments in some context, but I've seen
Speaker 2: people become ecaps without it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 1: So how does cancer develop in the body. Is it
Speaker 1: something that develops over time or is it something that's
Speaker 1: triggered or both.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the latency period of cancer is
Speaker 2: actually quite long, and that's that in terms of prevention,
Speaker 2: that's our biggest weapon, because I might be diagnosed with
Speaker 2: prostate cancer tomorrow, but actually the changes that facilitated that
Speaker 2: probably occurred five or six years ago. If you look
Speaker 2: at the duration the latency, it's usually between three and
Speaker 2: ten years depending on the cancer. So from the first
Speaker 2: subtle change to actually a fully diagnosed. So at that point,
Speaker 2: if we adopt you know, dietary lifestyle, behavioral practices that
Speaker 2: have anti cancer impacts. Preventatively, it's profound, but you know, interventionally,
Speaker 2: you know, some cancers can come about very quickly, but
Speaker 2: most cancers they do have this very long embryonic period. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And What are the you talked about reprogramming the
Speaker 1: cells now for someone who doesn't have pancer but wants
Speaker 1: to live in preventative lifestyle. What are the foods that
Speaker 1: people should be eating as part of an anti cancer diet.
Speaker 2: Again, breadth is the biggest thing. I mean, there's a
Speaker 2: hierarchy of foods. Some are there absolute heavyweight celebrities, like
Speaker 2: green tea and turmeric. But it's it's the key with
Speaker 2: anti cancer nutrition is synergy in that if you're having
Speaker 2: every day a selection of foods that have an anti
Speaker 2: cancer action. So you say you eat ten foods, you
Speaker 2: get the clinical gain of each of those ten foods,
Speaker 2: but by combining them, you get a gain that you
Speaker 2: can only get when they're mixed together. But I mean,
Speaker 2: but in terms of pound for pound impact, I mean,
Speaker 2: I think we should all be having turmeric in culin reform.
Speaker 2: I think we should all be using matcha and green tea.
Speaker 2: I think, like you know, in terms of pound for
Speaker 2: pound evidence, a cup of leafy green veg a day
Speaker 2: gives you, you know, in terms of Alzheimer's cancer, heart disease,
Speaker 2: and we know that people have dark green leafy veg
Speaker 2: every day have got about a sixty percent less chance
Speaker 2: of dying over the next ten years. Big paper in
Speaker 2: the studying the British medical journals. So yeah, it's just
Speaker 2: about cherry picking certain foods that are quite easy that
Speaker 2: pack a real punch in terms of promoting health and
Speaker 2: preventing the seeds of lots of diseases.
Speaker 1: I love that you said tumeric in the culinary form
Speaker 1: because I feel like there's so many supplements and stuff,
Speaker 1: which is great. Yeah, but there's so many ways you
Speaker 1: can get it into just eating it. Or my mum
Speaker 1: even makes this like tumeric pickle which it's fresh tumoric
Speaker 1: and then grates it with like ginger and on things
Speaker 1: that every day with our meal will have this fresh
Speaker 1: tumoric pickle and it's like it's delicious, but also such.
Speaker 3: An easy way to get it in another pill.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's easier as well, isn't it. The more more
Speaker 2: culinary basic becomes, I think, the more sustainable it is, exactly,
Speaker 2: it work better. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And when it comes.
Speaker 1: To sugar, because I feel like sugar has been the
Speaker 1: demon for a while now, but I've been hearing more
Speaker 1: and more about sugar being such a contributor towards cancer.
Speaker 1: Is sugar a large contributor towards cancer, and if people
Speaker 1: have cancer, should it be something they're avoiding.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's a little bit more complex than that,
Speaker 2: but it is. I mean, if you're living with cancer,
Speaker 2: you need your your glycemic indexth to be your blood
Speaker 2: sugar is to be absolutely bang on. Because there's a
Speaker 2: compound in the body called IGF one, which it stands
Speaker 2: for insulin like growth factor, which is exactly what it
Speaker 2: says on the tin. So it's like a turbo fuel
Speaker 2: for cells. Cells use it to reproduce, and cancers developed
Speaker 2: a super clever way of hijacking that, so it's like
Speaker 2: you know, putting a super concentrated fertilizer into a vegetable guard.
Speaker 2: So IGF one levels increase with sugar. So the more
Speaker 2: sugar you have, the more insulin you get released and
Speaker 2: you get more IGF one. So if you've got preventatively,
Speaker 2: you know something called the surveillance theory, which is we'd
Speaker 2: all develop cancer cells about three times a year. We
Speaker 2: know that if you tracked you or I, you know,
Speaker 2: over a year, most of us would get these cells.
Speaker 2: But most of the time, for most people, they're able
Speaker 2: to identify that and destroy it before they develop symptomatic tumors.
Speaker 2: And a big variable that predicts whether we can identify
Speaker 2: those cells and destroy them or not. It's how quickly
Speaker 2: they can grow. And the more IGF one, the quicker
Speaker 2: they're going to grow, the more chances they're going to
Speaker 2: get undetected and actually develop into cancer. So yeah, and
Speaker 2: which is a terrifying fact because about forty percent of
Speaker 2: the adult population are pre diabetic and don't know it
Speaker 2: over forty years of age, So people walking around for
Speaker 2: decades with blood sugar levels that are teetering on diabetic
Speaker 2: and obviously the implications of that on things like Alzheimer's
Speaker 2: and heart disease, but also cancer. So yeah, I think
Speaker 2: I'm not a massive fan of loads of lab tests
Speaker 2: and this, that and the other, but I do think
Speaker 2: tracking blood sugar levels is a really useful thing that's
Speaker 2: so interesting if you're living with cancer, Absolutely sugar needs
Speaker 2: to be virtually non existent, okay.
Speaker 1: And is that including sugars from natural ways like fruits
Speaker 1: and stuff.
Speaker 2: No, they're okay because they're because the fructose is bound
Speaker 2: to the fiber. So yeah, there's a big debate at
Speaker 2: the moment around me.
Speaker 3: I know, I love fruit alone.
Speaker 2: It's natural. I mean, you know, for me, having a
Speaker 2: fruit that has a relatively high fructose level, but it's
Speaker 2: actually having the whole fruit as nature intended. The anti
Speaker 2: cancer benefits you're going to get from that fruit out
Speaker 2: for me, outweigh the risks of the fruit tastes that
Speaker 2: are include within it, because things like berries, you know,
Speaker 2: some of the most powerful anti cancer foods. To not
Speaker 2: eat those because of the impact of pond blood sugar.
Speaker 2: And you committigate it anyway, having it with some fat
Speaker 2: having it, Yeah, it doesn't need to you can. We
Speaker 2: can get the best of both worlds. So don't be
Speaker 2: told that you shouldn't be eating fruit. You know, whether
Speaker 2: you're trying to maintain a healthy diet or you're living
Speaker 2: with cancer. Fruit is you know, one of nature's most
Speaker 2: powerful weapons against disease. We need to be using it.
Speaker 3: So true.
Speaker 1: If someone is going through chemotherapy, are there like three
Speaker 1: things that you recommend that they make sure they do
Speaker 1: every day or as part of their routine that they
Speaker 1: should implement to help with I guess the symptoms or
Speaker 1: the negative effects of chema.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the biggest one is move walk, I
Speaker 2: mean it used to be back in the day, you know, rest, sleep,
Speaker 2: stay in bed, whereas now you look at the evidence,
Speaker 2: you know, really powerful studies showing that actually, if you're
Speaker 2: having chemotherapy, walking to a point of just before discomforts
Speaker 2: and you not going for a ten mile walk, but
Speaker 2: if you can get out, go to the end of
Speaker 2: the road and come back, you clear out the toxins
Speaker 2: more effectively, you sleep better your immune system. So moving
Speaker 2: the body is you know, is absolutely key. You have
Speaker 2: to move within the within the remit of your of
Speaker 2: your health. That's key. Sleeping well, you know, really making
Speaker 2: sure you're getting the good rest periods, and controversially, but
Speaker 2: I think it's important it's exploring herbs because there are
Speaker 2: some phenomenal studies I talk about in the book where
Speaker 2: people going through chemotherapy, so cohorts are people one group
Speaker 2: having the chemotherapy, the other group having the same chemotherapy.
Speaker 2: The ones are using certain herbs have an increased benefit
Speaker 2: from the chemotherapy in terms of cancer death, cell death.
Speaker 2: They have less side effects, less complications, and higher quality
Speaker 2: of life. So you're getting you're getting all of the
Speaker 2: best bits for less trade off. And that's not you
Speaker 2: know yet that has to be off the back if
Speaker 2: you need to see, you know, someone is trained and
Speaker 2: get it customized and individualized. But to not explore those
Speaker 2: benefits because they are profound. It's even research so you
Speaker 2: actually live longer. There's research in lung cancer patients where
Speaker 2: those having a herb called istragulus alongside chemo therapy lives
Speaker 2: significantly longer than are matched cohort who weren't having these stragulas.
Speaker 2: So to not try to mitigate the toxicity of chemotherapy,
Speaker 2: you know, through things like herbs, I think is madness.
Speaker 3: What the herbs you recommend?
Speaker 2: I mean the most famous one in the context of
Speaker 2: chemotherapy is a stragulus.
Speaker 3: It's not the same as chatavari, is it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's different. I mean that's quite That's a good
Speaker 2: one as well. Aspan Ganda is very very good. That's
Speaker 2: been shown to prevent neutropenia, so immune you know, immune
Speaker 2: cell drop off during chemotherapy. Saying tools, there's Trifler is
Speaker 2: very very good. Yeah, so there's lots you know, there's
Speaker 2: lots of herbs, but they definitely need to be done.
Speaker 2: You need to be completely transparent, You're you're consultant needs
Speaker 2: to know you're using them. But you know, if I
Speaker 2: was starting chemotherapy tomorrow, I would one hundred percent want
Speaker 2: to have explored and have lined up something that's going
Speaker 2: to increase its impact and reduce its side effects.
Speaker 1: Sure, and you're speaking about You've said sleep quite a
Speaker 1: few times during this and I loved reading and I
Speaker 1: find it so fascinating reading about the circadian rhythm and
Speaker 1: how sleep is such a crucial part of cancer prevention,
Speaker 1: but also if you have cancer, and I would love
Speaker 1: if you could go into a little bit more detail
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's you know, it's a pillar are e vagically,
Speaker 2: it's a pillar in convention medicine, it's a pillar. You know,
Speaker 2: if we are not sleeping. We've all seen it. We
Speaker 2: have a bad night seeing the next day you're tired
Speaker 2: and you're you're cranky, and you know, but the impacts
Speaker 2: upon our physiology, you know, our immune system resets, our
Speaker 2: detox pathway are only active in the night time. And
Speaker 2: I think we're seeing a public health time bomb with
Speaker 2: sleep at the moment. I think the generations, our generation,
Speaker 2: the ones behind us, because we've engineered a world where
Speaker 2: it is so difficult to maintain proper cicadian alignment. You know,
Speaker 2: people on their phones and you know tablets and things.
Speaker 2: You know after about eight thirty or nine. Yeah's one
Speaker 2: of the biggest suppressors of melatonin. And the thing with
Speaker 2: cicadian alignment, you know, live cicadan alignment being where you're
Speaker 2: living in sync with your twenty four o'clock so there's
Speaker 2: no gray area. You're either aligned, which unleashes health, or
Speaker 2: you're out of alignment, and that is a fast track
Speaker 2: to getting sick and dying early. You know, it's catastrophically bad.
Speaker 2: You know, you look at things like Alzheimer. It's very
Speaker 2: very clear links to circadian dysfunction. We know that people
Speaker 2: with cancer. Has been studies done showing that if you
Speaker 2: have cancer and you maintain circadian alignment, you live longer
Speaker 2: than a match cohort. Who don't we know that, and
Speaker 2: to cells actually respond to the circadian clock, to light
Speaker 2: and dark, and you know, getting up at the wrong time,
Speaker 2: eating at the wrong time, going to bed at the
Speaker 2: wrong time, not sleeping enough, all of these things. You know,
Speaker 2: if you go on a long haul flight, we all
Speaker 2: know what that feels like. But it's less severe, but
Speaker 2: it's more chronic. You do that for years, decades your body.
Speaker 2: It's like asking, you know, us to live in water.
Speaker 2: We haven't got the software or the hardware to do it,
Speaker 2: and we haven't evolved. We haven't got the ability to
Speaker 2: live in a way where our celves aren't circadian aligned.
Speaker 2: And you know, anyone I would say is listening, who's
Speaker 2: got just poor vitality, poor energy, feels like they're run down,
Speaker 2: just not vital The first thing I would say is
Speaker 2: look at your circadian alignment, your rhythms, your sleep, when
Speaker 2: you eat, when you get up, because if you get
Speaker 2: that lined up properly, usually you just experienced just an
Speaker 2: absolute elevation of health.
Speaker 1: So it is I notice it throughout my life when
Speaker 1: I from when I was at UNI, and my mom
Speaker 1: would say, don't go out another night. I'm telling you
Speaker 1: you always get cold sauce. So like I grew up
Speaker 1: with cold sauce.
Speaker 2: Ok.
Speaker 1: My mom would say, if you do one more night,
Speaker 1: you're gonna.
Speaker 3: Get a cold saw you A'm like, no, I'm fine.
Speaker 1: Two days later, lack of sleep, I would my immune
Speaker 1: system would be telling me I never drank alcohol through
Speaker 1: my life, but I always say when I've had two
Speaker 1: days without sleep. I'm like, this is what it must
Speaker 1: feel like to have a hangover, because I'm so much
Speaker 1: more hungry of things that I don't shouldn't be eating.
Speaker 1: I feel groggy, my head's hurting. I notice my immune
Speaker 1: system dip. My digestion is different. The even over these
Speaker 1: past few weeks when I've have had an odd schedule
Speaker 1: because of my grandma, I have noticed such a difference
Speaker 1: in my ability to function. And so if I'm physically
Speaker 1: unable to function, I can't even imagine what's happening inside.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's this is the thing. The power of
Speaker 2: this is that every cell in the body is like
Speaker 2: the peptides. Every cell in the body has a clock.
Speaker 2: So if we're out of alignment, it's not like it's
Speaker 2: just effect our cardiovascar system or our muscles. Every cell
Speaker 2: begins to dip. And you do that across thirty trillion cells.
Speaker 2: You just feel absolutely ruined. And you do that for
Speaker 2: you know, six months or a year, or five years
Speaker 2: or ten years. You know that you can see why
Speaker 2: the risks of this on disease are absolutely they are
Speaker 2: They are truly catastrophic.
Speaker 3: And on mental health. You know, I have a few friends.
Speaker 1: Actually, I'd say a couple that are really struggling with
Speaker 1: insomnia at the moment, whether it's because of other issues
Speaker 1: which are like OCD or things like that, and this
Speaker 1: sleep is when I've spoken to them through bouts of
Speaker 1: not sleeping, I can see such a shift in the
Speaker 1: way that they're speaking, the way that they're receiving information,
Speaker 1: the way that they're interacting with people. And I really think,
Speaker 1: like obviously on a physical body level, but also on
Speaker 1: a mental level, I think it completely shifts your whole
Speaker 1: PERSONA change is the way that you interact in the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, changes you. It changes you. So you have to
Speaker 2: be have you know. And there's so much focus on
Speaker 2: prioritizing diet and sleep, which is fundamentally Sorry, exercise and
Speaker 2: diet and things like that, which is fundamental. But if
Speaker 2: you're doing those things when you're not sleeping, you're not
Speaker 2: going to breath the benefits because everything else is going
Speaker 2: to go out of whack with it. So it has
Speaker 2: to happen.
Speaker 1: And one of the best ways to get into or
Speaker 1: if someone listening is like, oh god, I'm so out
Speaker 1: of alignment. What are some of the easiest ways that
Speaker 1: people can try to get back into alignment.
Speaker 3: What does that look like?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the most important one is when we get up,
Speaker 2: because everyone talks about melatonin, you know, the sleep moorman,
Speaker 2: which it is, and we think of it as this
Speaker 2: nighttime for man, which it is. But the actual neurological
Speaker 2: trigger for melatonin kicks in about fourteen hours after you
Speaker 2: wake up. So as soon as you open your eyes
Speaker 2: and actually regain consciousness, the brain then starts a little
Speaker 2: stock clock and then that will take about fourteen hours.
Speaker 2: Fourteen hours later the melotoni will start increasing, and about
Speaker 2: two hours later you're kind of prime for you know,
Speaker 2: shutting your eyes and going to sleep. So if you're
Speaker 2: getting up at say six, twelve hours takes you to
Speaker 2: about eight, then by ten you're absolutely hormonally primed to
Speaker 2: go into really deep RESTful sleep. Is if you get
Speaker 2: up at ten, fourteen hour takes you to midnight, two
Speaker 2: hours takes you to two in the morning. So actually
Speaker 2: those nights where you just cannot get to sleep, it's
Speaker 2: not your force because you haven't got the actual hormonal
Speaker 2: profile to facilitate proper sleep. So going to bed the
Speaker 2: right time, getting up at the right time, if you
Speaker 2: do that, if you do those two things, generally speaking,
Speaker 2: your melotonin curve will be at a point that will
Speaker 2: allow you to get really, really good, you know, rejuvenating sleep.
Speaker 2: And I know from clinical work when you have someone
Speaker 2: who's had long term not even broken sleep, but just
Speaker 2: suboptimal sleep, and you get them sleeping well for a week,
Speaker 2: they feel like they are absolutely brand new. What is this?
Speaker 2: What is this level of health? I feel like me again?
Speaker 2: And that you kind of almost want everyone to experien
Speaker 2: into that because it's so that level of vitality that
Speaker 2: comes from good sleep is so profound. Yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 2: get up earlier, go to bed at the right time.
Speaker 1: The other thing I found fascinating about melatonin was I
Speaker 1: always thought it was something that so whenever my husband
Speaker 1: would travel for work, he was saying, can you get
Speaker 1: me some melotonin? I'd be like, No, it's going to
Speaker 1: mess up the rest of your sleep.
Speaker 3: Don't do it. I don't want you to become dependent
Speaker 3: on it.
Speaker 1: And I would love to hear your thoughts on that,
Speaker 1: because when I was listening to something that you were on,
Speaker 1: was it doctor John Doe?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: And he was speaking about how melatonin can actually be
Speaker 1: used in a different way for longevity and better health
Speaker 1: as you get older.
Speaker 3: So I'd love to touch on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the Pandora's box been open with melatonin because,
Speaker 2: like you say that, it's the actual role it plays
Speaker 2: is every time you study it does more and more things,
Speaker 2: and it is increasingly being called a longevity you know,
Speaker 2: molecule or compound because after the age of about six
Speaker 2: but turns on the data, but say sixty as an average,
Speaker 2: and melotonin does start dropping quite significantly, and that drop
Speaker 2: in melotonin impacts upon cardiovascular variables, neurological variables, immune, particularly
Speaker 2: immune variables. We know melatonin is an immune modulator. We
Speaker 2: know it has an effect upon the way serotonins metabolized
Speaker 2: for mental health, and there's actually some research looking at
Speaker 2: why why want people to get to kind of not stereotypically,
Speaker 2: but often they get to their seventies and they lose
Speaker 2: some of that spark, some of that vitality that you
Speaker 2: associate with that person when they were younger. Not always luckily,
Speaker 2: but sometimes. And what they're saying is because they're medatonins
Speaker 2: falling off a cliff, they're not able to convert serotonin properly,
Speaker 2: and they lose that just that feel good hormone. It's
Speaker 2: not as it should be. So the debate around whether
Speaker 2: we should be microdosing melatonin when we get to fifty
Speaker 2: is a tricky one because, on the one hand, part
Speaker 2: of me feels that actually the body knows what to do,
Speaker 2: and if melatonin is dropping off after the age of sixty,
Speaker 2: are we doing anything to mitigate that? Are we doing
Speaker 2: things you know naturally that can help to prevent that
Speaker 2: being so disastrous, because that's that's an evolutionary response our body. Really,
Speaker 2: after the age of about forty five, the body doesn't
Speaker 2: really care about us because we've reached the end of reproduction.
Speaker 2: As far as it's concerned, it's done its job, which
Speaker 2: is why forty five is the real water shit. If
Speaker 2: you look at the aging profile from forty five onwards,
Speaker 2: it's a really big nose type unless you do something.
Speaker 2: It's because the body hasn't doesn't care anymore. From a
Speaker 2: genetic evolutionary perspective, a melatonin falls prey to that, but
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean it hasn't got pathways to mitigating that.
Speaker 2: So we know that if we regulate sleep properly, someone
Speaker 2: in their seventies seventy five can have the melatonin profile
Speaker 2: if someoneh's thirty five. Wow, So actually does that mean
Speaker 2: is it that Western kind of you know, hazard of
Speaker 2: something goes wrong, let's just shore it up with a prescription,
Speaker 2: that quick fix, simple solution. Or is it a case
Speaker 2: of actually, how do we bio haack this almost just
Speaker 2: in a very natural, in built way. And I've looked
Speaker 2: at it quite a lot since speaking to doctor John,
Speaker 2: and I do feel there's enough evidence to show that
Speaker 2: you can maintain optimal melatonin profiles into your six decade
Speaker 2: and beyond without having to supplement. Wow. You know, I'm
Speaker 2: not unequivocal on that, but I do feel and I
Speaker 2: subscribe to the you know, the kind of the wisdom
Speaker 2: of the body. Anything that goes wrong, the body has
Speaker 2: a pathway to prevent that or to manage it. And
Speaker 2: I something is central to melotonin. I struggle to believe
Speaker 2: that there's not a system for keeping that optimal as
Speaker 2: we age. And again the fact that in our Evader,
Speaker 2: you know, OJAS is such a beautiful and integral concept,
Speaker 2: and I'm convinced that when the founding fathers of our
Speaker 2: Evada we're talking about OJAS, what they were actually looking
Speaker 2: at was melotonin because the two are so similar in
Speaker 2: what they do, and there are so many things that
Speaker 2: boost ojas, and the things that in the Western context
Speaker 2: boost ojas are also proven to boost melotonin. So I
Speaker 2: don't know. I absolutely subscribe to the role that melatonin plays,
Speaker 2: but whether that requires the need to artificially dose it,
Speaker 2: I'm not convinced.
Speaker 1: Well for anyone who doesn't know what adjust is, it's
Speaker 1: the vitality in the body. Is like what's produced the
Speaker 1: nectar that's producing your body, that gives you the glow,
Speaker 1: gives your body feeling, keep your body feeling energized and vibrant,
Speaker 1: and anything else that you'd like to add to.
Speaker 2: It just umph, isn't it. It's bushy tailed, you know,
Speaker 2: jumping out of bed and looking starry eyes, all of that.
Speaker 2: Everything we all aspire to it. You think, anything you
Speaker 2: aspire to in terms of your health appearance, ojas will
Speaker 2: help you facilitate that.
Speaker 1: And what are those things or foods that help to
Speaker 1: increase melatonin or adjust in the body naturally?
Speaker 2: I mean again coming back to herbal medicines, they have
Speaker 2: a mass role to play, you know, the tonic, the
Speaker 2: rasnianic herbs, at Ashvin ghana, are you know, so powerful
Speaker 2: in that context of bolstering you know, ojas and these
Speaker 2: the even things like dates, you know, modual dates, nuts,
Speaker 2: you know, raw honey. Yeah, these are all anabolic foods.
Speaker 2: You know, after the age of again forty five. Year
Speaker 2: before forty five, the body is anabolic, so it's it's repairing,
Speaker 2: it's rejuvenating, strengthening. Once we get to forty forty five,
Speaker 2: the catabolic breaking down exceeds the repair, which is what
Speaker 2: aging is. So one of the reasons are you've advocates
Speaker 2: using more high ojas, you know, lifestyles and foods and
Speaker 2: herbs and tonics is to is to just prevent that
Speaker 2: that that catabolic dominance. And again we know that these
Speaker 2: foods that we would label are you vadically as being
Speaker 2: high in ojas, we know they're all linked to longevity.
Speaker 2: So you see this beautiful marriage of you know, concepts
Speaker 2: that are five thousand years old, this label of ojas,
Speaker 2: which some people can say, well a eric and doesn't
Speaker 2: make sense, but if you look at it through the
Speaker 2: lens of the Western research saying exactly the same thing.
Speaker 2: So that's why these tonic foods I think need to
Speaker 2: be an integral part of how we fuel our bodies
Speaker 2: its as we get older.
Speaker 1: And do you think that you know, I mentioned the
Speaker 1: melotone and if you start taking something, whether it makes
Speaker 1: your body lazy towards actually producing it. Have you seen
Speaker 1: any research on that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's definitely data to show that if
Speaker 2: you you have, if you are microdator, you've got to
Speaker 2: be bang on with the dose because if you go
Speaker 2: over or you have too much for too long, it
Speaker 2: actually makes you feel really quite drowsy.
Speaker 3: And of course yeah that's.
Speaker 2: Sleepy and not what you exactly so and that can
Speaker 2: definitely create dependency. So you know, if you are microdacing
Speaker 2: needs to be absolutely on point in terms of the
Speaker 2: dose and not using it indefinitely.
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, that's good to know. I was asking for myself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never used it, but whenever friends ask me
Speaker 1: about it, I'm like, I don't know. I never like
Speaker 1: adding anything to my body that that isn't necessary if
Speaker 1: my body's producing it anyway.
Speaker 2: I mean, there is evidence to me. I think there
Speaker 2: are context because people who do lots of long haul flights,
Speaker 2: there is evidence to show that if you're supplementing the
Speaker 2: week before and the week after you regain cicada more quickly.
Speaker 2: So I think if you were you know, if you're
Speaker 2: doing that and you know it's scheduled, I think there's
Speaker 2: probably greater reward than there is a risk for using
Speaker 2: it very common sense rather than yeah, just using it
Speaker 2: as just a general long term, you know, remedy. I
Speaker 2: I question that, what would.
Speaker 1: You say if someone asked you, give me three foods
Speaker 1: that actually be in every single day for cancer prevention
Speaker 1: to you know, stop myself from even getting there.
Speaker 3: What would they be? Variety?
Speaker 2: But variety? I mean extraversion olive oil is absolutely and
Speaker 2: it's not are evading. But we had to do away
Speaker 2: with dogma. You know, yeah, it's got the taste in it.
Speaker 2: We can apply it. Are you've aiding? You know, I've
Speaker 2: done loads of research and you know, data analyzes around
Speaker 2: extra virgin olive oil, and it is you know, it
Speaker 2: officially ranks as the number one health food in terms
Speaker 2: of how The Harvard University a big study looking at
Speaker 2: you know, the top one hundred foods relevant to disease mechanisms,
Speaker 2: and extravergent olive ol came out top. And you know,
Speaker 2: the polyphenols that you find in extra virgin olive oil
Speaker 2: are It's just unimaginable what they do. You know, we
Speaker 2: know they induce cell death and cancer cells. We know
Speaker 2: they starve them with blood, blood vessels. We know they
Speaker 2: regulate immunity. So yeah, and in longevity, you know, you
Speaker 2: look at probably one of the most powerful dietary application
Speaker 2: for longevity. Three tablespoons of extravergent olive all day should
Speaker 2: just be mandatory. Wow, yeah, it is off the chart.
Speaker 2: But the problem with extravergion olive on this is a digression.
Speaker 2: You can go into the supermarket and buy organic extraversion olivo.
Speaker 2: I think it's organic, it's pure, it's cold press and
Speaker 2: you think you're getting the benefits, but it's not as
Speaker 2: good as useless. But it's kind of as good as
Speaker 2: useless because it's the polyphenols and the olio anthonoles in
Speaker 2: extravergent olive that make them what they do heart health
Speaker 2: and anti cancer, and those polyphenols and oliocantals are dependent
Speaker 2: upon how quickly the oil is pressed. As soon as
Speaker 2: it leaves the tree, so it has to be pressed
Speaker 2: within four hours.
Speaker 3: Oh wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So if you buy like a boutique olive ore,
Speaker 2: that's twenty six quid. It's because they certify and they
Speaker 2: have independent lab tests to quantify the polyphenol levels. So
Speaker 2: that means that when you use it, you know you're
Speaker 2: getting the benefits. But when you're buying the how can
Speaker 2: you get organic extravergient olive ore for seven pounds, Yeah,
Speaker 2: because it's because they've sat in a warehouse for three
Speaker 2: days oxidizing. So actually, if you look at the polyphenols,
Speaker 2: then they're not negligible, but they're not going to have
Speaker 2: a clinical impact. So in terms of an investment, you
Speaker 2: can look at it and say, Okay, it's sixteen pounds
Speaker 2: and that's a lot of money. But in terms of
Speaker 2: gain for cost, there probably aren't many things that you
Speaker 2: can do that will give back more than that.
Speaker 1: So hip your coffee, get an Oliver coffee, good quality,
Speaker 1: do that and just do it. I had someone to
Speaker 1: come on my podcast saying that the one thing I
Speaker 1: do for my I drink all of your like I
Speaker 1: drink it. Okay, So how do we know whether we're
Speaker 1: getting good quality? Is it just by the price point
Speaker 1: or what are we looking for on these labels?
Speaker 2: Yes, it has to have so that's something called the
Speaker 2: I think it's the World Olive Oil Association or it's
Speaker 2: something along those lines.
Speaker 3: Be part of that.
Speaker 2: And we're actually working with an amazing So the way
Speaker 2: you can quantify it is that you say you can
Speaker 2: make a clinical claim is it has to be independently.
Speaker 2: Every every harvest has to have I think it's ten
Speaker 2: percent of the harvest go through an independent panel and
Speaker 2: they look at the oliocanthono and polyphenol level and as
Speaker 2: long as that coat, the long as the the batch
Speaker 2: day test is above the level, you can make the
Speaker 2: claim for that harvest. And you can't take it on
Speaker 2: price point, you can't take it on location. It has
Speaker 2: to be independently lab testing. I got so angle about
Speaker 2: this and so kind of obsessed with this. I actually
Speaker 2: really started digging into it because I wanted to know
Speaker 2: that I'm having my three I want to know I'm
Speaker 2: getting And we actually found an amazing company. They're amazing
Speaker 2: husband and wife team the Greek. They're Greek immigrants and
Speaker 2: they have a company called Back to Roots and I
Speaker 2: found them and I was like, you guys are amazing.
Speaker 2: They will tell me their story and they've they've got
Speaker 2: all the lab testing everything. So I'm not I'm not
Speaker 2: there's no competent of interest. I'm not invested in, but
Speaker 2: I just use them. And what I love about that
Speaker 2: is I have those that have their oil at home
Speaker 2: and when I use it, just psychologically knowing that there
Speaker 2: is that it comes from organic groves in the middle
Speaker 2: of Greece, it's been lab tested. I know that I'm
Speaker 2: getting exactly what I need to be getting to harness
Speaker 2: all of these benefits. And I love psychologically that's I
Speaker 2: think very powerful.
Speaker 3: Yeah really, yeah, I'm going to get me that olive Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So having having olive oil every day is and
Speaker 2: also for things like esthetic, you know, aging hair helds
Speaker 2: in health joints, like staying nice and fluid, is you
Speaker 2: age arth riders, mobility, you know. Olive oil is just
Speaker 2: the gift that keeps on giving you Outzeimer's prevention brilliant.
Speaker 1: I've been trying to get my dad has Room for
Speaker 1: arthritis because when he was going through treatments, he lost
Speaker 1: a lot of weight. And the one thing I've been
Speaker 1: trying to get him to do through put On, I
Speaker 1: was like, drink olive oil. He's like, what about the
Speaker 1: I was like, it's good bus just drink it.
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna tell him.
Speaker 2: Just drink it, guzzle it fat. Yeah, so that's uh.
Speaker 3: Told me that he needs to be drinking that olive oil.
Speaker 2: So I think in terms of game threat, but that's
Speaker 2: absolutely number one.
Speaker 3: Okay, it was.
Speaker 2: Three, wasn't it. If you have another two green tea
Speaker 2: or matcher? Yes, yeah, I mean that's a that's pushing
Speaker 2: olive oil. In terms of impact, you know, we know
Speaker 2: it kills, you know, particularly in breast cancer. You know,
Speaker 2: we know in lab tests you can put a breast
Speaker 2: cancer cell, you can drop a matcher, you know, molecule
Speaker 2: on it. You will literally see the breast cancer cell destruct. Yeah,
Speaker 2: a varying cancer cell. Have done it in brain cancer cells.
Speaker 2: It is kryptonite for cancer cells. So yeah, drinking a
Speaker 2: couple of cups of green tea a day or a
Speaker 2: shot of match of a day, it's super quick, it's
Speaker 2: super easy. It's not difficult. Again, this is playing the
Speaker 2: long game. You do it every day or most days,
Speaker 2: most years. Long term, you can see how these people
Speaker 2: get eight, nine, ten decades of life and they're not
Speaker 2: falling prey to these illnesses because they not let their
Speaker 2: body get to a place where those diseases can establish
Speaker 2: it's not it always not shocks me upsets, but that
Speaker 2: people look at people who are in their nineties and
Speaker 2: hundreds and are amazed that what they've done. It's brilliant
Speaker 2: what they've done. But it should be we should all
Speaker 2: be respecting that as our right, as our birthright, because
Speaker 2: it's there for us. We just need to line things
Speaker 2: up so that we maximize our body's ability to not
Speaker 2: fall prey to lifestyle based illnesses. So matcha and green
Speaker 2: tea and I'd come back to dark leafy greens, yesruse,
Speaker 2: of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all those matcha esthetic matter of trends on TikTok
Speaker 1: are right?
Speaker 2: Are the bony you mix it into olive off? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What do you think are some things that people don't
Speaker 1: actually realize are contributing to cancer but do like the
Speaker 1: undercover ones that people don't notice.
Speaker 2: Maybe that is known about, but I think under armed
Speaker 2: deodorants are a massive one because if you look at
Speaker 2: the if you look at the breast cancer prevalence charts
Speaker 2: and you look at it upon the mass popularization of
Speaker 2: aluminium based deodorance, they track each other almost perfectly. Could
Speaker 2: you think about under your arm pits, you've got the
Speaker 2: little the lymph networks. You've got the very dense micro
Speaker 2: vascular networks and they're delivering straight into breast tissue. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're hormone disruptors. So I think you know, you're using
Speaker 2: pure natural, non aluminium based deodorance is key. But again,
Speaker 2: poor sleep, not sleeping properly, not exercising, not moving like this,
Speaker 2: sitting down like today. For me, it's been a shocker
Speaker 2: because I be in the car. But you can see
Speaker 2: how days can go by where you actually you're down
Speaker 2: for six, seven, eight, nine hours. Evolutionary, we're not hardwired
Speaker 2: to do that, so you know, not moving, you know,
Speaker 2: But then you could even go further and look at
Speaker 2: the things like the softer but more powerful variables like
Speaker 2: relationship quality. Yeah, feeling connection, feeling like you're part of
Speaker 2: a tribe, that someone's got your back. That's been shown
Speaker 2: to be you know, more impactful upon health and things
Speaker 2: like smoking or sentary behavior. So it's just about creating
Speaker 2: an environment around you where you're nourishing yourself, You're stimulating
Speaker 2: your You're you're from the moment you get up to
Speaker 2: the moment you go to bed. You're nourishing yourself in
Speaker 2: the fullest fullest sense of that word. Yeah, I think,
Speaker 2: and we're not often not doing that.
Speaker 3: I know, And it's not so simple. I think, of
Speaker 3: course I want to do that for my body.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think chocolate bar. Yeah, I know, but it's
Speaker 2: moderation you're having that, you know, chocolate bar, as long
Speaker 2: as what you're doing the rest of the time is good.
Speaker 2: I think moving funny exactly that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Do you what about microplastics? Oh like that.
Speaker 2: That's why that's why I'm such a huge advocate of saunas. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: because I think again the microplastics, we've scratched the surface
Speaker 2: of what's coming in the years to come in terms
Speaker 2: of the implications of this, because you know, for particularly
Speaker 2: things like Alzheimer's Parkins's neuro degenerative diseases. Yeah, they are
Speaker 2: building in the brain and the only real way of
Speaker 2: getting them out for the most most effective ways sonering.
Speaker 2: Real pathologists say they can see in the brain of
Speaker 2: someone if they've saunered regularly or not, from the structure
Speaker 2: of the brain. So you know saunering.
Speaker 1: You know, is there specific any kind of sauna or
Speaker 1: like infrared or I.
Speaker 2: Think the jury is out around infrared and the kind
Speaker 2: of the radiation not being good but being good. Yeah,
Speaker 2: skeptical since I just used this, I mean we've got yeah,
Speaker 2: just that, Yeah, you know, three a week, twenty five minutes,
Speaker 2: eighty degrees. The evidence is absolutely clear. Wow yeah, so
Speaker 2: you know, Okay, so infrared is maybe well I haven't
Speaker 2: I haven't got hard data to support that, but I
Speaker 2: just feel common sensically, how could it be good for
Speaker 2: you? You're in this very tiny space, it's enclosed, it's high frequency.
Speaker 2: I just don't see. I just I just don't want
Speaker 2: to wait for the data to come out. I don't
Speaker 2: want to risk it.
Speaker 3: The person where that came from, you, who created.
Speaker 2: That great infrared? I know it's bad. Idea.
Speaker 1: Is there research done about women and what kind of
Speaker 1: materials that they wear linked to breast cancer or prostate
Speaker 1: cancer and the type.
Speaker 2: Of Yeah, there's links with hormone disruptors. Yeah, and there's
Speaker 2: breast cancer. A society have done quite a lot of
Speaker 2: research around you know, synthetic nylons, and obviously they're on
Speaker 2: your skin. You know, our skin is very absorbi However
Speaker 2: you put on your skin, you can absorb through and
Speaker 2: the blood. It disrupts hormones. So just it's like anything,
Speaker 2: just stripping it back, just going in care, in care.
Speaker 2: It's young, these TikTok trends of these teenage girls, all
Speaker 2: these beauty products. You know, it's I dread to think
Speaker 2: what's going to come in years to come. So yeah,
Speaker 2: absolutely has to be Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: So basically everyone just stay at home, green, drink.
Speaker 1: Some match, be active, be happy exactly, yeah, be happy happy, Just.
Speaker 2: Live like live fully enjoy life.
Speaker 4: Just yeah, live live in The magic for people who
Speaker 4: are listening that are supporting a loved one through cancer,
Speaker 4: is anything that you've seen that you would want them
Speaker 4: to know or do differently that you've seen people kind
Speaker 4: of make mistakes of.
Speaker 2: Just explore more, just like open up the perspective and
Speaker 2: look beyond. Just the conventional care can be life saving.
Speaker 2: But don't you know, if you put the ability of
Speaker 2: someone to thrive and survive in the hands of someone else,
Speaker 2: you've lost all control because if you put the person
Speaker 2: at the center, and so I'm going to take the
Speaker 2: best of conventional care, but I'm going to do so
Speaker 2: much else as well. You just bring that empowerment, that
Speaker 2: autonomy back in. So just expand the net, look further
Speaker 2: explore more, hope more, believe more, and then put everything
Speaker 2: in place to maximize the ability of that to actually
Speaker 2: reach fruition.
Speaker 1: This is like live less out of fear and protection and.
Speaker 3: Live more out of hope.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and belief, believe, positivity and a positive expectancy around me.
Speaker 3: There's more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, believe there's more. There is more.
Speaker 3: That's so true. Oh my gosh, thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. I'm so grateful to.
Speaker 1: Have been absolutely phenomenal. And please everybody go and check
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Speaker 2: We're on Instagram, which is Dr Sam Watt's got a
Speaker 2: website obviously, so yeah, check us out.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: And I can't wait to see all the incredible things
Speaker 1: that you do in the future. And they've done so
Speaker 1: many amazing things.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.