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Speaker 3: Sam, thank you so much for being here.

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Speaker 1: So your book is all about the iradic approach to

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Speaker 1: healing cancer, it was so much more than that. It

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Speaker 2: Diet, green tea or Matcher. We know in lab tests

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Speaker 2: you can put a breast cancer cell, you can drop

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Speaker 2: a Matcher molecule onto you will literally see the breast

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Speaker 1: What do you think are the main contributors to the

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Speaker 1: I'm Radi Davlukiah and on my podcast a Really Good Cry,

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Speaker 1: we embrace the messy and the beautiful, providing a space

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Speaker 1: for raw, un fielded conversations that celebrate vulnerability and allow

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Speaker 1: you to tune in to learn, connect and find comfort together.

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Speaker 2: That's natally privilege. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: I'm like fangirling right now because after reading your book

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Speaker 1: I am so grateful and I'm so excited to share

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Speaker 2: It's a real privilege to be here, so thank you

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Speaker 1: my body's fine. Actually, my immune system is incredible. Actually

434
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,720
Speaker 1: I touched. Would haven't been ill for a really long time,

435
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,280
Speaker 1: and I'm always like, oh, maybe I'll get evil like that.

436
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,720
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I and honestly, every time

437
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,640
Speaker 1: someone oh, if you getting a cold, I said, no,

438
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 1: I just need to have a little bit of tumoric

439
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:31,640
Speaker 1: or I need to have a bit of this. I

440
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 1: never say, oh, I'm feeling really sick, or oh I've

441
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:35,320
Speaker 1: had this for so long.

442
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, I'm good, I'm good. Have you got COVID. No,

443
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,520
Speaker 3: I'm good. I'm going to be fine in a couple

444
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:40,000
Speaker 3: of days.

445
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,639
Speaker 1: And honestly, I would say after reading a book, I

446
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:48,360
Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, that change in narrative, not only vocally,

447
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,360
Speaker 1: but in my mind of believing that I would say

448
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 1: to my body, no, you can do this. This is

449
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,400
Speaker 1: whether it's whether it's in a workout, whether it's emotionally,

450
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 1: when I'm going through something difficult, whether it's when I

451
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,880
Speaker 1: found out my grandma had cancer, whether it's when I'm

452
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,879
Speaker 1: feeling unwell, I'm like, no, you are fine because you're

453
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,719
Speaker 1: looking after bar, You're looking after your grandma, so you

454
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 1: are not getting sick right now. And honestly, I feel

455
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 1: like that mindset has completely shifted how my body reacts

456
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:11,920
Speaker 1: to that has to.

457
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:13,400
Speaker 2: It has to. There's no choice.

458
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:14,360
Speaker 3: I'm not giving you any joy.

459
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 2: And that's the power of it is. It's not up

460
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 2: to it's not up to the cells. The cells just

461
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 2: taking the cues from you. And there are external variables,

462
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 2: of course, there are yes, germs, and there's this, that

463
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,679
Speaker 2: and the other. But the bottom line is that the

464
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 2: way our cells work are governed by the way we

465
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 2: think and how we feel them and both of those

466
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 2: we have autonomy over. Yeah, so we have, you know,

467
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 2: and you can see so many situations in clinical medicine

468
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,239
Speaker 2: where the whole thing is set up to make us

469
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 2: fail you know you have cancer, you go through trickment,

470
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 2: you're told you're in remission. What does that actually mean

471
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,919
Speaker 2: is as a descriptive, it means you're waiting for it

472
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,719
Speaker 2: to come back. Yeah, so you don't have cancer. We're

473
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 2: going to juste track you over the next five years.

474
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 2: The remission, That subconscious is you've done well, but it's

475
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,679
Speaker 2: going to come back. It's that subliminal we're waiting for.

476
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 3: It, and people do they do in that theory one.

477
00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 2: Not, You're a big pat on the back. The cancer's gone.

478
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,640
Speaker 2: Now we're going to track it for the next five years.

479
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 2: Hopefully it will stay gone. There's a chance it will

480
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 2: come back. If it does, will manage it. But at

481
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 2: the moment, you don't have cancer. And that's all we

482
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 2: need to know. And it's those subtle differences, but the

483
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 2: way that plays out in the way our selves work

484
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 2: is profound, so that in a narrative, I'm feeling tired,

485
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,400
Speaker 2: I've got a cold coming, I've got no energy, it's

486
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 2: just reinforcing it. Whereas get out of bed and say

487
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,360
Speaker 2: the opposite, say I feel sprightly, I feel vital exactly.

488
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 2: It's transformative and it gives agency. We claw back control,

489
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 2: which is what we need.

490
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: When you're living from that point of waiting for something

491
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 1: to come back. Really, what you're doing is inviting it. Yeah,

492
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,120
Speaker 1: because if you're thinking about it in that way, that

493
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 1: mindset of oh, eventually it's going to happen or the

494
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 1: fear actually ends up inviting that thing that you're trying

495
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 1: to keep away. Because you're thinking about it in that way,

496
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 1: you're inviting it back into your life. When you have

497
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 1: that mindset of eventually, even if it's at the back

498
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 1: of your mind, there it's still there.

499
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 2: And you know, in clinical research it's called a nasibo.

500
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 2: You know, placebo is where you get a good response

501
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 2: from it spectation, you know, and no cebo where you

502
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,880
Speaker 2: get a negative response. It's just as powerful. So this

503
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,479
Speaker 2: is a documented fact in clinical research, and that if

504
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 2: the study is done where if you have a hundred

505
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 2: patients and they're all about to have the same chemotherapy

506
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 2: and you tell half of them that they're going to

507
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 2: get pretty significant vomiting and nausea, and you tell the

508
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,360
Speaker 2: other half that this chemotherapy doesn't have any side effects.

509
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 2: The group that are told they're going to get nausea

510
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 2: and vomiting get symptoms before the chemotherapy is administered. About

511
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 2: thirty percent actually vomit before they are looked up to

512
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 2: the IV, just because their brains telling them. So we

513
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 2: have this phenomenal power to shape outcomes through creating a

514
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 2: positive expectation. And when we listen to narratives, we listen

515
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,160
Speaker 2: to the way husbands and wives talk to each other,

516
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 2: or to kids or to parents about health and expectations

517
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 2: in life. It's all in printing a message. So it's

518
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 2: so powerful.

519
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 3: And would you.

520
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 1: Say that this is applicable I know you mentioned it before,

521
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: but any stage of cancer and any point and I'll

522
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: add on to that. Would you say that it's enough

523
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: for some people to not even have to go through

524
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: the conventional medicine in terms of chemotherapy or do you

525
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 1: believe that it should be both together?

526
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 2: I think the sticky water, sticky ground. Yeah, I mean,

527
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 2: I think yeah, I mean, I think the integrate if

528
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 2: the are e'vetic model, it can be used fully alongside

529
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 2: conventional treatment. I think the decision to have conventional treatment

530
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 2: is fully individualized. The other thing I always emphasize when

531
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 2: people talk about having chemotherapy is to be absolutely clear

532
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 2: on the outcome is it palliative. Is there no hope

533
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 2: of cure? And if there's no hope of cure, is

534
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 2: the benefit to life span going to be going to

535
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,479
Speaker 2: justify the quality of life deterioration you're going to get

536
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 2: if it gives you next to four months, But that

537
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 2: four months is in bed, you know, fitting really unwell.

538
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 2: You have to weigh that up. So, Yeah, the r

539
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 2: you'vetic approach the cancer can be used fully along side

540
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 2: high conventional care. The decision around what that conventional care

541
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 2: looks like needs to be based upon individual circumstances. But

542
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 2: I think in terms of at what point does this

543
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 2: you know, how far can you take this? You know,

544
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 2: there are cases I've seen one and I've read dozens

545
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 2: of people in hospice care who have been admitted from

546
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 2: home care into hospice care, which means statistically, you've got

547
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 2: probably less than ten days who have got up and

548
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 2: walked out of their walk back home, You've gone back

549
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 2: into recovery at home and are alive. The person nine

550
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 2: know seven years later that even when you are at

551
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 2: end of life care, there is the potential for the

552
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 2: body to fight back. And that's not saying what I'm

553
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 2: not saying is that everyone who's got stage four terminal

554
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 2: cancer can survive. But what I think the most important

555
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 2: message to propagate is that everyone has the potential to

556
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 2: not possibly maybe Sometimes there isn't one cancer that someone

557
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 2: with the terminal prognosis hasn't survived from. It hasn't become

558
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 2: an ECAP, not one. So if you're listening to this

559
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 2: and you've got stage four stomach cancer and you've been

560
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 2: told you've got six months to live, the potential for

561
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 2: you to write a different script is there. Unequivocally, it's

562
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 2: just lining it up to allow that to give you

563
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 2: the maximum chance. And that's why that hope is so powerful,

564
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 2: because when all hope has been taken away, the most

565
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 2: important thing you can do is rebuild it. And that

566
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 2: the ECAP research is so important because it provides you

567
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 2: with a documented clinical case study of there's someone with

568
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 2: my diagnosis, my progress has done it. It becomes a

569
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 2: clarion call for well, they've done it, why can't I

570
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 2: do it?

571
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 3: Exactly?

572
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 2: And that changes everything again. So yeah, the ECP work

573
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 2: is it's you know, if I was diagnosed or living

574
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 2: with the terminal cancer, I'd want to know that someone

575
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 2: has done it.

576
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: I was just thinking that, whereas most of the time

577
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: you're told, oh, this person lasted this long, or you're

578
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: told time frames that are negative, because what if at

579
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 1: your diagnosed you're told, you know what, we've had this

580
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 1: many people that have gone through this and they've made it,

581
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: and even if it's a smaller portion than that, haven't

582
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: just hearing that before you hear how many people don't

583
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: make it?

584
00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, game changer. Yeah, instantly, the whole outlook for what

585
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 2: you expect changes, and that expectation changes what happens. It

586
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: is that self fulfilling prophecy, and we need there needs

587
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,479
Speaker 2: to be a change in the way information is given

588
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 2: in clinical context so that infuses hope rather than hopelessness.

589
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: Out of interest is just for my personal knowledge. Have

590
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 1: you seen people heal holistically without using any Western medicine?

591
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 2: Yes, oh yeah, so yeah, quite a few. So I

592
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 2: used to run cancer survivorship groups at Crawley Hospital and

593
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 2: there were three people that stand out there, one with

594
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 2: liver cancer, one with prostate cancer, and one with breast

595
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: cancer who for a variety of reasons, decided to not

596
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: opt for conventional treatment given less than eight months to live.

597
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 2: And all of them are they are now because I

598
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 2: lost touch with them, But four or five years down

599
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 2: the line, they were all fit well. They still had

600
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 2: active cancer in their body. It was contained, it was

601
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 2: pretty yeah. So you know, I have most decaps have

602
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 2: gone through conventional treatments in some context, but I've seen

603
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 2: people become ecaps without it.

604
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

605
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 2: Sure.

606
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: So how does cancer develop in the body. Is it

607
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: something that develops over time or is it something that's

608
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: triggered or both.

609
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the latency period of cancer is

610
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 2: actually quite long, and that's that in terms of prevention,

611
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 2: that's our biggest weapon, because I might be diagnosed with

612
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: prostate cancer tomorrow, but actually the changes that facilitated that

613
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 2: probably occurred five or six years ago. If you look

614
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,479
Speaker 2: at the duration the latency, it's usually between three and

615
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 2: ten years depending on the cancer. So from the first

616
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 2: subtle change to actually a fully diagnosed. So at that point,

617
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 2: if we adopt you know, dietary lifestyle, behavioral practices that

618
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 2: have anti cancer impacts. Preventatively, it's profound, but you know, interventionally,

619
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 2: you know, some cancers can come about very quickly, but

620
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 2: most cancers they do have this very long embryonic period. Yeah.

621
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, And What are the you talked about reprogramming the

622
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: cells now for someone who doesn't have pancer but wants

623
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: to live in preventative lifestyle. What are the foods that

624
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: people should be eating as part of an anti cancer diet.

625
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 2: Again, breadth is the biggest thing. I mean, there's a

626
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: hierarchy of foods. Some are there absolute heavyweight celebrities, like

627
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 2: green tea and turmeric. But it's it's the key with

628
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 2: anti cancer nutrition is synergy in that if you're having

629
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 2: every day a selection of foods that have an anti

630
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 2: cancer action. So you say you eat ten foods, you

631
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 2: get the clinical gain of each of those ten foods,

632
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 2: but by combining them, you get a gain that you

633
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 2: can only get when they're mixed together. But I mean,

634
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 2: but in terms of pound for pound impact, I mean,

635
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,719
Speaker 2: I think we should all be having turmeric in culin reform.

636
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 2: I think we should all be using matcha and green tea.

637
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 2: I think, like you know, in terms of pound for

638
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 2: pound evidence, a cup of leafy green veg a day

639
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 2: gives you, you know, in terms of Alzheimer's cancer, heart disease,

640
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 2: and we know that people have dark green leafy veg

641
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 2: every day have got about a sixty percent less chance

642
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 2: of dying over the next ten years. Big paper in

643
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 2: the studying the British medical journals. So yeah, it's just

644
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 2: about cherry picking certain foods that are quite easy that

645
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 2: pack a real punch in terms of promoting health and

646
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 2: preventing the seeds of lots of diseases.

647
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: I love that you said tumeric in the culinary form

648
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: because I feel like there's so many supplements and stuff,

649
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: which is great. Yeah, but there's so many ways you

650
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: can get it into just eating it. Or my mum

651
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: even makes this like tumeric pickle which it's fresh tumoric

652
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: and then grates it with like ginger and on things

653
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: that every day with our meal will have this fresh

654
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: tumoric pickle and it's like it's delicious, but also such.

655
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 3: An easy way to get it in another pill.

656
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's easier as well, isn't it. The more more

657
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 2: culinary basic becomes, I think, the more sustainable it is, exactly,

658
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: it work better. Yeah.

659
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 3: And when it comes.

660
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: To sugar, because I feel like sugar has been the

661
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: demon for a while now, but I've been hearing more

662
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: and more about sugar being such a contributor towards cancer.

663
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: Is sugar a large contributor towards cancer, and if people

664
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: have cancer, should it be something they're avoiding.

665
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's a little bit more complex than that,

666
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 2: but it is. I mean, if you're living with cancer,

667
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 2: you need your your glycemic indexth to be your blood

668
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 2: sugar is to be absolutely bang on. Because there's a

669
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 2: compound in the body called IGF one, which it stands

670
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 2: for insulin like growth factor, which is exactly what it

671
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 2: says on the tin. So it's like a turbo fuel

672
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 2: for cells. Cells use it to reproduce, and cancers developed

673
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 2: a super clever way of hijacking that, so it's like

674
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 2: you know, putting a super concentrated fertilizer into a vegetable guard.

675
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: So IGF one levels increase with sugar. So the more

676
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: sugar you have, the more insulin you get released and

677
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 2: you get more IGF one. So if you've got preventatively,

678
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: you know something called the surveillance theory, which is we'd

679
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 2: all develop cancer cells about three times a year. We

680
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 2: know that if you tracked you or I, you know,

681
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 2: over a year, most of us would get these cells.

682
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 2: But most of the time, for most people, they're able

683
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 2: to identify that and destroy it before they develop symptomatic tumors.

684
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,719
Speaker 2: And a big variable that predicts whether we can identify

685
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 2: those cells and destroy them or not. It's how quickly

686
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: they can grow. And the more IGF one, the quicker

687
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: they're going to grow, the more chances they're going to

688
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 2: get undetected and actually develop into cancer. So yeah, and

689
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 2: which is a terrifying fact because about forty percent of

690
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: the adult population are pre diabetic and don't know it

691
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 2: over forty years of age, So people walking around for

692
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 2: decades with blood sugar levels that are teetering on diabetic

693
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 2: and obviously the implications of that on things like Alzheimer's

694
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 2: and heart disease, but also cancer. So yeah, I think

695
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,959
Speaker 2: I'm not a massive fan of loads of lab tests

696
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 2: and this, that and the other, but I do think

697
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 2: tracking blood sugar levels is a really useful thing that's

698
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 2: so interesting if you're living with cancer, Absolutely sugar needs

699
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: to be virtually non existent, okay.

700
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: And is that including sugars from natural ways like fruits

701
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: and stuff.

702
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 2: No, they're okay because they're because the fructose is bound

703
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 2: to the fiber. So yeah, there's a big debate at

704
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 2: the moment around me.

705
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 3: I know, I love fruit alone.

706
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 2: It's natural. I mean, you know, for me, having a

707
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: fruit that has a relatively high fructose level, but it's

708
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: actually having the whole fruit as nature intended. The anti

709
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 2: cancer benefits you're going to get from that fruit out

710
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 2: for me, outweigh the risks of the fruit tastes that

711
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 2: are include within it, because things like berries, you know,

712
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 2: some of the most powerful anti cancer foods. To not

713
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 2: eat those because of the impact of pond blood sugar.

714
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 2: And you committigate it anyway, having it with some fat

715
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 2: having it, Yeah, it doesn't need to you can. We

716
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 2: can get the best of both worlds. So don't be

717
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 2: told that you shouldn't be eating fruit. You know, whether

718
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: you're trying to maintain a healthy diet or you're living

719
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 2: with cancer. Fruit is you know, one of nature's most

720
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 2: powerful weapons against disease. We need to be using it.

721
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 3: So true.

722
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: If someone is going through chemotherapy, are there like three

723
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: things that you recommend that they make sure they do

724
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: every day or as part of their routine that they

725
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: should implement to help with I guess the symptoms or

726
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: the negative effects of chema.

727
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the biggest one is move walk, I

728
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 2: mean it used to be back in the day, you know, rest, sleep,

729
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 2: stay in bed, whereas now you look at the evidence,

730
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 2: you know, really powerful studies showing that actually, if you're

731
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 2: having chemotherapy, walking to a point of just before discomforts

732
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 2: and you not going for a ten mile walk, but

733
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 2: if you can get out, go to the end of

734
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 2: the road and come back, you clear out the toxins

735
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,720
Speaker 2: more effectively, you sleep better your immune system. So moving

736
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 2: the body is you know, is absolutely key. You have

737
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 2: to move within the within the remit of your of

738
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 2: your health. That's key. Sleeping well, you know, really making

739
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 2: sure you're getting the good rest periods, and controversially, but

740
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 2: I think it's important it's exploring herbs because there are

741
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: some phenomenal studies I talk about in the book where

742
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 2: people going through chemotherapy, so cohorts are people one group

743
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 2: having the chemotherapy, the other group having the same chemotherapy.

744
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 2: The ones are using certain herbs have an increased benefit

745
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 2: from the chemotherapy in terms of cancer death, cell death.

746
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 2: They have less side effects, less complications, and higher quality

747
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 2: of life. So you're getting you're getting all of the

748
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: best bits for less trade off. And that's not you

749
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 2: know yet that has to be off the back if

750
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 2: you need to see, you know, someone is trained and

751
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 2: get it customized and individualized. But to not explore those

752
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 2: benefits because they are profound. It's even research so you

753
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,959
Speaker 2: actually live longer. There's research in lung cancer patients where

754
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 2: those having a herb called istragulus alongside chemo therapy lives

755
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 2: significantly longer than are matched cohort who weren't having these stragulas.

756
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 2: So to not try to mitigate the toxicity of chemotherapy,

757
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 2: you know, through things like herbs, I think is madness.

758
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 3: What the herbs you recommend?

759
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 2: I mean the most famous one in the context of

760
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 2: chemotherapy is a stragulus.

761
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 3: It's not the same as chatavari, is it.

762
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's different. I mean that's quite That's a good

763
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 2: one as well. Aspan Ganda is very very good. That's

764
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 2: been shown to prevent neutropenia, so immune you know, immune

765
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 2: cell drop off during chemotherapy. Saying tools, there's Trifler is

766
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 2: very very good. Yeah, so there's lots you know, there's

767
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 2: lots of herbs, but they definitely need to be done.

768
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 2: You need to be completely transparent, You're you're consultant needs

769
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 2: to know you're using them. But you know, if I

770
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 2: was starting chemotherapy tomorrow, I would one hundred percent want

771
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 2: to have explored and have lined up something that's going

772
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: to increase its impact and reduce its side effects.

773
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: Sure, and you're speaking about You've said sleep quite a

774
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: few times during this and I loved reading and I

775
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: find it so fascinating reading about the circadian rhythm and

776
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: how sleep is such a crucial part of cancer prevention,

777
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: but also if you have cancer, and I would love

778
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: if you could go into a little bit more detail

779
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: about that.

780
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's you know, it's a pillar are e vagically,

781
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: it's a pillar in convention medicine, it's a pillar. You know,

782
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 2: if we are not sleeping. We've all seen it. We

783
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 2: have a bad night seeing the next day you're tired

784
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 2: and you're you're cranky, and you know, but the impacts

785
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 2: upon our physiology, you know, our immune system resets, our

786
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 2: detox pathway are only active in the night time. And

787
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 2: I think we're seeing a public health time bomb with

788
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 2: sleep at the moment. I think the generations, our generation,

789
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 2: the ones behind us, because we've engineered a world where

790
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 2: it is so difficult to maintain proper cicadian alignment. You know,

791
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,919
Speaker 2: people on their phones and you know tablets and things.

792
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 2: You know after about eight thirty or nine. Yeah's one

793
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 2: of the biggest suppressors of melatonin. And the thing with

794
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 2: cicadian alignment, you know, live cicadan alignment being where you're

795
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 2: living in sync with your twenty four o'clock so there's

796
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 2: no gray area. You're either aligned, which unleashes health, or

797
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: you're out of alignment, and that is a fast track

798
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 2: to getting sick and dying early. You know, it's catastrophically bad.

799
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,959
Speaker 2: You know, you look at things like Alzheimer. It's very

800
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 2: very clear links to circadian dysfunction. We know that people

801
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 2: with cancer. Has been studies done showing that if you

802
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 2: have cancer and you maintain circadian alignment, you live longer

803
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 2: than a match cohort. Who don't we know that, and

804
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 2: to cells actually respond to the circadian clock, to light

805
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,439
Speaker 2: and dark, and you know, getting up at the wrong time,

806
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 2: eating at the wrong time, going to bed at the

807
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 2: wrong time, not sleeping enough, all of these things. You know,

808
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 2: if you go on a long haul flight, we all

809
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 2: know what that feels like. But it's less severe, but

810
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 2: it's more chronic. You do that for years, decades your body.

811
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 2: It's like asking, you know, us to live in water.

812
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 2: We haven't got the software or the hardware to do it,

813
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 2: and we haven't evolved. We haven't got the ability to

814
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 2: live in a way where our celves aren't circadian aligned.

815
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 2: And you know, anyone I would say is listening, who's

816
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 2: got just poor vitality, poor energy, feels like they're run down,

817
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 2: just not vital The first thing I would say is

818
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,439
Speaker 2: look at your circadian alignment, your rhythms, your sleep, when

819
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 2: you eat, when you get up, because if you get

820
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 2: that lined up properly, usually you just experienced just an

821
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,760
Speaker 2: absolute elevation of health.

822
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: So it is I notice it throughout my life when

823
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: I from when I was at UNI, and my mom

824
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: would say, don't go out another night. I'm telling you

825
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: you always get cold sauce. So like I grew up

826
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: with cold sauce.

827
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 2: Ok.

828
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: My mom would say, if you do one more night,

829
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna.

830
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 3: Get a cold saw you A'm like, no, I'm fine.

831
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: Two days later, lack of sleep, I would my immune

832
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 1: system would be telling me I never drank alcohol through

833
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: my life, but I always say when I've had two

834
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: days without sleep. I'm like, this is what it must

835
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: feel like to have a hangover, because I'm so much

836
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 1: more hungry of things that I don't shouldn't be eating.

837
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: I feel groggy, my head's hurting. I notice my immune

838
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: system dip. My digestion is different. The even over these

839
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: past few weeks when I've have had an odd schedule

840
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: because of my grandma, I have noticed such a difference

841
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: in my ability to function. And so if I'm physically

842
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: unable to function, I can't even imagine what's happening inside.

843
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's this is the thing. The power of

844
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 2: this is that every cell in the body is like

845
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 2: the peptides. Every cell in the body has a clock.

846
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 2: So if we're out of alignment, it's not like it's

847
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: just effect our cardiovascar system or our muscles. Every cell

848
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 2: begins to dip. And you do that across thirty trillion cells.

849
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 2: You just feel absolutely ruined. And you do that for

850
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 2: you know, six months or a year, or five years

851
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,439
Speaker 2: or ten years. You know that you can see why

852
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 2: the risks of this on disease are absolutely they are

853
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 2: They are truly catastrophic.

854
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 3: And on mental health. You know, I have a few friends.

855
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: Actually, I'd say a couple that are really struggling with

856
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 1: insomnia at the moment, whether it's because of other issues

857
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: which are like OCD or things like that, and this

858
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 1: sleep is when I've spoken to them through bouts of

859
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: not sleeping, I can see such a shift in the

860
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 1: way that they're speaking, the way that they're receiving information,

861
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 1: the way that they're interacting with people. And I really think,

862
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: like obviously on a physical body level, but also on

863
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: a mental level, I think it completely shifts your whole

864
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: PERSONA change is the way that you interact in the world.

865
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, changes you. It changes you. So you have to

866
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 2: be have you know. And there's so much focus on

867
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 2: prioritizing diet and sleep, which is fundamentally Sorry, exercise and

868
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 2: diet and things like that, which is fundamental. But if

869
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 2: you're doing those things when you're not sleeping, you're not

870
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 2: going to breath the benefits because everything else is going

871
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 2: to go out of whack with it. So it has

872
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 2: to happen.

873
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: And one of the best ways to get into or

874
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: if someone listening is like, oh god, I'm so out

875
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 1: of alignment. What are some of the easiest ways that

876
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: people can try to get back into alignment.

877
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 3: What does that look like?

878
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the most important one is when we get up,

879
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,439
Speaker 2: because everyone talks about melatonin, you know, the sleep moorman,

880
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 2: which it is, and we think of it as this

881
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: nighttime for man, which it is. But the actual neurological

882
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 2: trigger for melatonin kicks in about fourteen hours after you

883
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 2: wake up. So as soon as you open your eyes

884
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 2: and actually regain consciousness, the brain then starts a little

885
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 2: stock clock and then that will take about fourteen hours.

886
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: Fourteen hours later the melotoni will start increasing, and about

887
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 2: two hours later you're kind of prime for you know,

888
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 2: shutting your eyes and going to sleep. So if you're

889
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 2: getting up at say six, twelve hours takes you to

890
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 2: about eight, then by ten you're absolutely hormonally primed to

891
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 2: go into really deep RESTful sleep. Is if you get

892
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 2: up at ten, fourteen hour takes you to midnight, two

893
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 2: hours takes you to two in the morning. So actually

894
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 2: those nights where you just cannot get to sleep, it's

895
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 2: not your force because you haven't got the actual hormonal

896
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 2: profile to facilitate proper sleep. So going to bed the

897
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 2: right time, getting up at the right time, if you

898
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: do that, if you do those two things, generally speaking,

899
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 2: your melotonin curve will be at a point that will

900
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 2: allow you to get really, really good, you know, rejuvenating sleep.

901
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 2: And I know from clinical work when you have someone

902
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 2: who's had long term not even broken sleep, but just

903
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 2: suboptimal sleep, and you get them sleeping well for a week,

904
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 2: they feel like they are absolutely brand new. What is this?

905
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 2: What is this level of health? I feel like me again?

906
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 2: And that you kind of almost want everyone to experien

907
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: into that because it's so that level of vitality that

908
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 2: comes from good sleep is so profound. Yeah, so yeah,

909
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 2: get up earlier, go to bed at the right time.

910
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: The other thing I found fascinating about melatonin was I

911
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 1: always thought it was something that so whenever my husband

912
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 1: would travel for work, he was saying, can you get

913
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: me some melotonin? I'd be like, No, it's going to

914
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:18,959
Speaker 1: mess up the rest of your sleep.

915
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 3: Don't do it. I don't want you to become dependent

916
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 3: on it.

917
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: And I would love to hear your thoughts on that,

918
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: because when I was listening to something that you were on,

919
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: was it doctor John Doe?

920
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 2: Yes?

921
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: And he was speaking about how melatonin can actually be

922
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: used in a different way for longevity and better health

923
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: as you get older.

924
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 3: So I'd love to touch on that.

925
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the Pandora's box been open with melatonin because,

926
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 2: like you say that, it's the actual role it plays

927
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 2: is every time you study it does more and more things,

928
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 2: and it is increasingly being called a longevity you know,

929
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 2: molecule or compound because after the age of about six

930
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,240
Speaker 2: but turns on the data, but say sixty as an average,

931
00:44:56,239 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 2: and melotonin does start dropping quite significantly, and that drop

932
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 2: in melotonin impacts upon cardiovascular variables, neurological variables, immune, particularly

933
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 2: immune variables. We know melatonin is an immune modulator. We

934
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 2: know it has an effect upon the way serotonins metabolized

935
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 2: for mental health, and there's actually some research looking at

936
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 2: why why want people to get to kind of not stereotypically,

937
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 2: but often they get to their seventies and they lose

938
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 2: some of that spark, some of that vitality that you

939
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 2: associate with that person when they were younger. Not always luckily,

940
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 2: but sometimes. And what they're saying is because they're medatonins

941
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 2: falling off a cliff, they're not able to convert serotonin properly,

942
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 2: and they lose that just that feel good hormone. It's

943
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 2: not as it should be. So the debate around whether

944
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 2: we should be microdosing melatonin when we get to fifty

945
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 2: is a tricky one because, on the one hand, part

946
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 2: of me feels that actually the body knows what to do,

947
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 2: and if melatonin is dropping off after the age of sixty,

948
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 2: are we doing anything to mitigate that? Are we doing

949
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,439
Speaker 2: things you know naturally that can help to prevent that

950
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 2: being so disastrous, because that's that's an evolutionary response our body. Really,

951
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,240
Speaker 2: after the age of about forty five, the body doesn't

952
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 2: really care about us because we've reached the end of reproduction.

953
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 2: As far as it's concerned, it's done its job, which

954
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 2: is why forty five is the real water shit. If

955
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 2: you look at the aging profile from forty five onwards,

956
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 2: it's a really big nose type unless you do something.

957
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 2: It's because the body hasn't doesn't care anymore. From a

958
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 2: genetic evolutionary perspective, a melatonin falls prey to that, but

959
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean it hasn't got pathways to mitigating that.

960
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 2: So we know that if we regulate sleep properly, someone

961
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,760
Speaker 2: in their seventies seventy five can have the melatonin profile

962
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 2: if someoneh's thirty five. Wow, So actually does that mean

963
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 2: is it that Western kind of you know, hazard of

964
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 2: something goes wrong, let's just shore it up with a prescription,

965
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,439
Speaker 2: that quick fix, simple solution. Or is it a case

966
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 2: of actually, how do we bio haack this almost just

967
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 2: in a very natural, in built way. And I've looked

968
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 2: at it quite a lot since speaking to doctor John,

969
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 2: and I do feel there's enough evidence to show that

970
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 2: you can maintain optimal melatonin profiles into your six decade

971
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: and beyond without having to supplement. Wow. You know, I'm

972
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 2: not unequivocal on that, but I do feel and I

973
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 2: subscribe to the you know, the kind of the wisdom

974
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 2: of the body. Anything that goes wrong, the body has

975
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 2: a pathway to prevent that or to manage it. And

976
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 2: I something is central to melotonin. I struggle to believe

977
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 2: that there's not a system for keeping that optimal as

978
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 2: we age. And again the fact that in our Evader,

979
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:49,280
Speaker 2: you know, OJAS is such a beautiful and integral concept,

980
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 2: and I'm convinced that when the founding fathers of our

981
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 2: Evada we're talking about OJAS, what they were actually looking

982
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 2: at was melotonin because the two are so similar in

983
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 2: what they do, and there are so many things that

984
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 2: boost ojas, and the things that in the Western context

985
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 2: boost ojas are also proven to boost melotonin. So I

986
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 2: don't know. I absolutely subscribe to the role that melatonin plays,

987
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 2: but whether that requires the need to artificially dose it,

988
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 2: I'm not convinced.

989
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 1: Well for anyone who doesn't know what adjust is, it's

990
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: the vitality in the body. Is like what's produced the

991
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: nectar that's producing your body, that gives you the glow,

992
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 1: gives your body feeling, keep your body feeling energized and vibrant,

993
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: and anything else that you'd like to add to.

994
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 2: It just umph, isn't it. It's bushy tailed, you know,

995
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 2: jumping out of bed and looking starry eyes, all of that.

996
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 2: Everything we all aspire to it. You think, anything you

997
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 2: aspire to in terms of your health appearance, ojas will

998
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 2: help you facilitate that.

999
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: And what are those things or foods that help to

1000
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: increase melatonin or adjust in the body naturally?

1001
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 2: I mean again coming back to herbal medicines, they have

1002
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 2: a mass role to play, you know, the tonic, the

1003
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 2: rasnianic herbs, at Ashvin ghana, are you know, so powerful

1004
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 2: in that context of bolstering you know, ojas and these

1005
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 2: the even things like dates, you know, modual dates, nuts,

1006
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 2: you know, raw honey. Yeah, these are all anabolic foods.

1007
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 2: You know, after the age of again forty five. Year

1008
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 2: before forty five, the body is anabolic, so it's it's repairing,

1009
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 2: it's rejuvenating, strengthening. Once we get to forty forty five,

1010
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 2: the catabolic breaking down exceeds the repair, which is what

1011
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,720
Speaker 2: aging is. So one of the reasons are you've advocates

1012
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 2: using more high ojas, you know, lifestyles and foods and

1013
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 2: herbs and tonics is to is to just prevent that

1014
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,399
Speaker 2: that that catabolic dominance. And again we know that these

1015
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 2: foods that we would label are you vadically as being

1016
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 2: high in ojas, we know they're all linked to longevity.

1017
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 2: So you see this beautiful marriage of you know, concepts

1018
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 2: that are five thousand years old, this label of ojas,

1019
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 2: which some people can say, well a eric and doesn't

1020
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 2: make sense, but if you look at it through the

1021
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 2: lens of the Western research saying exactly the same thing.

1022
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 2: So that's why these tonic foods I think need to

1023
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 2: be an integral part of how we fuel our bodies

1024
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 2: its as we get older.

1025
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: And do you think that you know, I mentioned the

1026
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: melotone and if you start taking something, whether it makes

1027
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 1: your body lazy towards actually producing it. Have you seen

1028
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 1: any research on that?

1029
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's definitely data to show that if

1030
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 2: you you have, if you are microdator, you've got to

1031
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 2: be bang on with the dose because if you go

1032
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 2: over or you have too much for too long, it

1033
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 2: actually makes you feel really quite drowsy.

1034
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 3: And of course yeah that's.

1035
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 2: Sleepy and not what you exactly so and that can

1036
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 2: definitely create dependency. So you know, if you are microdacing

1037
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 2: needs to be absolutely on point in terms of the

1038
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 2: dose and not using it indefinitely.

1039
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, that's good to know. I was asking for myself.

1040
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never used it, but whenever friends ask me

1041
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: about it, I'm like, I don't know. I never like

1042
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: adding anything to my body that that isn't necessary if

1043
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: my body's producing it anyway.

1044
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 2: I mean, there is evidence to me. I think there

1045
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 2: are context because people who do lots of long haul flights,

1046
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 2: there is evidence to show that if you're supplementing the

1047
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 2: week before and the week after you regain cicada more quickly.

1048
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 2: So I think if you were you know, if you're

1049
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 2: doing that and you know it's scheduled, I think there's

1050
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 2: probably greater reward than there is a risk for using

1051
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 2: it very common sense rather than yeah, just using it

1052
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 2: as just a general long term, you know, remedy. I

1053
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 2: I question that, what would.

1054
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: You say if someone asked you, give me three foods

1055
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 1: that actually be in every single day for cancer prevention

1056
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: to you know, stop myself from even getting there.

1057
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 3: What would they be? Variety?

1058
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 2: But variety? I mean extraversion olive oil is absolutely and

1059
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 2: it's not are evading. But we had to do away

1060
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 2: with dogma. You know, yeah, it's got the taste in it.

1061
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 2: We can apply it. Are you've aiding? You know, I've

1062
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 2: done loads of research and you know, data analyzes around

1063
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 2: extra virgin olive oil, and it is you know, it

1064
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 2: officially ranks as the number one health food in terms

1065
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 2: of how The Harvard University a big study looking at

1066
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 2: you know, the top one hundred foods relevant to disease mechanisms,

1067
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 2: and extravergent olive ol came out top. And you know,

1068
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 2: the polyphenols that you find in extra virgin olive oil

1069
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 2: are It's just unimaginable what they do. You know, we

1070
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 2: know they induce cell death and cancer cells. We know

1071
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 2: they starve them with blood, blood vessels. We know they

1072
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 2: regulate immunity. So yeah, and in longevity, you know, you

1073
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 2: look at probably one of the most powerful dietary application

1074
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 2: for longevity. Three tablespoons of extravergent olive all day should

1075
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 2: just be mandatory. Wow, yeah, it is off the chart.

1076
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 2: But the problem with extravergion olive on this is a digression.

1077
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 2: You can go into the supermarket and buy organic extraversion olivo.

1078
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 2: I think it's organic, it's pure, it's cold press and

1079
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 2: you think you're getting the benefits, but it's not as

1080
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 2: good as useless. But it's kind of as good as

1081
00:52:55,800 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 2: useless because it's the polyphenols and the olio anthonoles in

1082
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,439
Speaker 2: extravergent olive that make them what they do heart health

1083
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 2: and anti cancer, and those polyphenols and oliocantals are dependent

1084
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 2: upon how quickly the oil is pressed. As soon as

1085
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,240
Speaker 2: it leaves the tree, so it has to be pressed

1086
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 2: within four hours.

1087
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 3: Oh wow.

1088
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, So if you buy like a boutique olive ore,

1089
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 2: that's twenty six quid. It's because they certify and they

1090
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 2: have independent lab tests to quantify the polyphenol levels. So

1091
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 2: that means that when you use it, you know you're

1092
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 2: getting the benefits. But when you're buying the how can

1093
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 2: you get organic extravergient olive ore for seven pounds, Yeah,

1094
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 2: because it's because they've sat in a warehouse for three

1095
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,240
Speaker 2: days oxidizing. So actually, if you look at the polyphenols,

1096
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 2: then they're not negligible, but they're not going to have

1097
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 2: a clinical impact. So in terms of an investment, you

1098
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 2: can look at it and say, Okay, it's sixteen pounds

1099
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 2: and that's a lot of money. But in terms of

1100
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 2: gain for cost, there probably aren't many things that you

1101
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 2: can do that will give back more than that.

1102
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: So hip your coffee, get an Oliver coffee, good quality,

1103
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 1: do that and just do it. I had someone to

1104
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: come on my podcast saying that the one thing I

1105
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: do for my I drink all of your like I

1106
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: drink it. Okay, So how do we know whether we're

1107
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 1: getting good quality? Is it just by the price point

1108
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: or what are we looking for on these labels?

1109
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 2: Yes, it has to have so that's something called the

1110
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 2: I think it's the World Olive Oil Association or it's

1111
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 2: something along those lines.

1112
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 3: Be part of that.

1113
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,399
Speaker 2: And we're actually working with an amazing So the way

1114
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 2: you can quantify it is that you say you can

1115
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 2: make a clinical claim is it has to be independently.

1116
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 2: Every every harvest has to have I think it's ten

1117
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 2: percent of the harvest go through an independent panel and

1118
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 2: they look at the oliocanthono and polyphenol level and as

1119
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 2: long as that coat, the long as the the batch

1120
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 2: day test is above the level, you can make the

1121
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 2: claim for that harvest. And you can't take it on

1122
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 2: price point, you can't take it on location. It has

1123
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 2: to be independently lab testing. I got so angle about

1124
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 2: this and so kind of obsessed with this. I actually

1125
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 2: really started digging into it because I wanted to know

1126
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 2: that I'm having my three I want to know I'm

1127
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 2: getting And we actually found an amazing company. They're amazing

1128
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 2: husband and wife team the Greek. They're Greek immigrants and

1129
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 2: they have a company called Back to Roots and I

1130
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 2: found them and I was like, you guys are amazing.

1131
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 2: They will tell me their story and they've they've got

1132
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 2: all the lab testing everything. So I'm not I'm not

1133
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 2: there's no competent of interest. I'm not invested in, but

1134
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 2: I just use them. And what I love about that

1135
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:34,959
Speaker 2: is I have those that have their oil at home

1136
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 2: and when I use it, just psychologically knowing that there

1137
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 2: is that it comes from organic groves in the middle

1138
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 2: of Greece, it's been lab tested. I know that I'm

1139
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,720
Speaker 2: getting exactly what I need to be getting to harness

1140
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 2: all of these benefits. And I love psychologically that's I

1141
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 2: think very powerful.

1142
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 3: Yeah really, yeah, I'm going to get me that olive Yeah.

1143
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. So having having olive oil every day is and

1144
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,760
Speaker 2: also for things like esthetic, you know, aging hair helds

1145
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 2: in health joints, like staying nice and fluid, is you

1146
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 2: age arth riders, mobility, you know. Olive oil is just

1147
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 2: the gift that keeps on giving you Outzeimer's prevention brilliant.

1148
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 1: I've been trying to get my dad has Room for

1149
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: arthritis because when he was going through treatments, he lost

1150
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: a lot of weight. And the one thing I've been

1151
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: trying to get him to do through put On, I

1152
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: was like, drink olive oil. He's like, what about the

1153
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: I was like, it's good bus just drink it.

1154
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:27,919
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna tell him.

1155
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 2: Just drink it, guzzle it fat. Yeah, so that's uh.

1156
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 3: Told me that he needs to be drinking that olive oil.

1157
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 2: So I think in terms of game threat, but that's

1158
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 2: absolutely number one.

1159
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 3: Okay, it was.

1160
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 2: Three, wasn't it. If you have another two green tea

1161
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 2: or matcher? Yes, yeah, I mean that's a that's pushing

1162
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 2: olive oil. In terms of impact, you know, we know

1163
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 2: it kills, you know, particularly in breast cancer. You know,

1164
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 2: we know in lab tests you can put a breast

1165
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,760
Speaker 2: cancer cell, you can drop a matcher, you know, molecule

1166
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 2: on it. You will literally see the breast cancer cell destruct. Yeah,

1167
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 2: a varying cancer cell. Have done it in brain cancer cells.

1168
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 2: It is kryptonite for cancer cells. So yeah, drinking a

1169
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 2: couple of cups of green tea a day or a

1170
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 2: shot of match of a day, it's super quick, it's

1171
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 2: super easy. It's not difficult. Again, this is playing the

1172
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 2: long game. You do it every day or most days,

1173
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 2: most years. Long term, you can see how these people

1174
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 2: get eight, nine, ten decades of life and they're not

1175
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 2: falling prey to these illnesses because they not let their

1176
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 2: body get to a place where those diseases can establish

1177
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 2: it's not it always not shocks me upsets, but that

1178
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 2: people look at people who are in their nineties and

1179
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 2: hundreds and are amazed that what they've done. It's brilliant

1180
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 2: what they've done. But it should be we should all

1181
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:41,479
Speaker 2: be respecting that as our right, as our birthright, because

1182
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 2: it's there for us. We just need to line things

1183
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 2: up so that we maximize our body's ability to not

1184
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 2: fall prey to lifestyle based illnesses. So matcha and green

1185
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 2: tea and I'd come back to dark leafy greens, yesruse,

1186
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:54,479
Speaker 2: of course.

1187
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, all those matcha esthetic matter of trends on TikTok

1188
00:57:58,560 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: are right?

1189
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 2: Are the bony you mix it into olive off? Yeah?

1190
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: What do you think are some things that people don't

1191
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: actually realize are contributing to cancer but do like the

1192
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: undercover ones that people don't notice.

1193
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 2: Maybe that is known about, but I think under armed

1194
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 2: deodorants are a massive one because if you look at

1195
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 2: the if you look at the breast cancer prevalence charts

1196
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 2: and you look at it upon the mass popularization of

1197
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 2: aluminium based deodorance, they track each other almost perfectly. Could

1198
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 2: you think about under your arm pits, you've got the

1199
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 2: little the lymph networks. You've got the very dense micro

1200
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 2: vascular networks and they're delivering straight into breast tissue. Yeah,

1201
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 2: they're hormone disruptors. So I think you know, you're using

1202
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 2: pure natural, non aluminium based deodorance is key. But again,

1203
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 2: poor sleep, not sleeping properly, not exercising, not moving like this,

1204
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 2: sitting down like today. For me, it's been a shocker

1205
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 2: because I be in the car. But you can see

1206
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 2: how days can go by where you actually you're down

1207
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 2: for six, seven, eight, nine hours. Evolutionary, we're not hardwired

1208
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 2: to do that, so you know, not moving, you know,

1209
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 2: But then you could even go further and look at

1210
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 2: the things like the softer but more powerful variables like

1211
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 2: relationship quality. Yeah, feeling connection, feeling like you're part of

1212
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 2: a tribe, that someone's got your back. That's been shown

1213
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 2: to be you know, more impactful upon health and things

1214
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 2: like smoking or sentary behavior. So it's just about creating

1215
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 2: an environment around you where you're nourishing yourself, You're stimulating

1216
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 2: your You're you're from the moment you get up to

1217
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 2: the moment you go to bed. You're nourishing yourself in

1218
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 2: the fullest fullest sense of that word. Yeah, I think,

1219
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 2: and we're not often not doing that.

1220
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 3: I know, And it's not so simple. I think, of

1221
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 3: course I want to do that for my body.

1222
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think chocolate bar. Yeah, I know, but it's

1223
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 2: moderation you're having that, you know, chocolate bar, as long

1224
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 2: as what you're doing the rest of the time is good.

1225
00:59:56,240 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 2: I think moving funny exactly that.

1226
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. Do you what about microplastics? Oh like that.

1227
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 2: That's why that's why I'm such a huge advocate of saunas. Yeah, yeah,

1228
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 2: because I think again the microplastics, we've scratched the surface

1229
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 2: of what's coming in the years to come in terms

1230
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 2: of the implications of this, because you know, for particularly

1231
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 2: things like Alzheimer's Parkins's neuro degenerative diseases. Yeah, they are

1232
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 2: building in the brain and the only real way of

1233
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 2: getting them out for the most most effective ways sonering.

1234
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 2: Real pathologists say they can see in the brain of

1235
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 2: someone if they've saunered regularly or not, from the structure

1236
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 2: of the brain. So you know saunering.

1237
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: You know, is there specific any kind of sauna or

1238
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 1: like infrared or I.

1239
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 2: Think the jury is out around infrared and the kind

1240
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 2: of the radiation not being good but being good. Yeah,

1241
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 2: skeptical since I just used this, I mean we've got yeah,

1242
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 2: just that, Yeah, you know, three a week, twenty five minutes,

1243
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 2: eighty degrees. The evidence is absolutely clear. Wow yeah, so

1244
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 2: you know, Okay, so infrared is maybe well I haven't

1245
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 2: I haven't got hard data to support that, but I

1246
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 2: just feel common sensically, how could it be good for

1247
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 2: you? You're in this very tiny space, it's enclosed, it's high frequency.

1248
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 2: I just don't see. I just I just don't want

1249
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 2: to wait for the data to come out. I don't

1250
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 2: want to risk it.

1251
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 3: The person where that came from, you, who created.

1252
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 2: That great infrared? I know it's bad. Idea.

1253
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: Is there research done about women and what kind of

1254
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: materials that they wear linked to breast cancer or prostate

1255
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: cancer and the type.

1256
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 2: Of Yeah, there's links with hormone disruptors. Yeah, and there's

1257
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 2: breast cancer. A society have done quite a lot of

1258
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 2: research around you know, synthetic nylons, and obviously they're on

1259
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 2: your skin. You know, our skin is very absorbi However

1260
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 2: you put on your skin, you can absorb through and

1261
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 2: the blood. It disrupts hormones. So just it's like anything,

1262
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 2: just stripping it back, just going in care, in care.

1263
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 2: It's young, these TikTok trends of these teenage girls, all

1264
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 2: these beauty products. You know, it's I dread to think

1265
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 2: what's going to come in years to come. So yeah,

1266
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 2: absolutely has to be Yeah, okay.

1267
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 3: So basically everyone just stay at home, green, drink.

1268
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:14,479
Speaker 1: Some match, be active, be happy exactly, yeah, be happy happy, Just.

1269
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 2: Live like live fully enjoy life.

1270
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 4: Just yeah, live live in The magic for people who

1271
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 4: are listening that are supporting a loved one through cancer,

1272
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 4: is anything that you've seen that you would want them

1273
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 4: to know or do differently that you've seen people kind

1274
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 4: of make mistakes of.

1275
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 2: Just explore more, just like open up the perspective and

1276
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 2: look beyond. Just the conventional care can be life saving.

1277
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 2: But don't you know, if you put the ability of

1278
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 2: someone to thrive and survive in the hands of someone else,

1279
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 2: you've lost all control because if you put the person

1280
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 2: at the center, and so I'm going to take the

1281
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 2: best of conventional care, but I'm going to do so

1282
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:54,080
Speaker 2: much else as well. You just bring that empowerment, that

1283
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 2: autonomy back in. So just expand the net, look further

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Speaker 2: explore more, hope more, believe more, and then put everything

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Speaker 2: in place to maximize the ability of that to actually

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Speaker 2: reach fruition.

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Speaker 1: This is like live less out of fear and protection and.

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Speaker 3: Live more out of hope.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and belief, believe, positivity and a positive expectancy around me.

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Speaker 3: There's more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, believe there's more. There is more.

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Speaker 3: That's so true. Oh my gosh, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. I'm so grateful to.

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Speaker 1: Have been absolutely phenomenal. And please everybody go and check

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Speaker 1: out the bug. It is available everywhere. Is there anything

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Speaker 1: else you'd like to share with people where they can

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Speaker 1: find you.

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Speaker 2: We're on Instagram, which is Dr Sam Watt's got a

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Speaker 2: website obviously, so yeah, check us out.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: And I can't wait to see all the incredible things

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Speaker 1: that you do in the future. And they've done so

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Speaker 1: many amazing things.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.