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Speaker 2: This is media Match, a roundtable of Cowboys insiders, drumping

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Speaker 3: Now your host, Newie Scrugs.

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Speaker 4: Medium Ash. Here we go on a Cowboy Thursday. Here

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Speaker 4: the start, Friscob Newe Scrugs, joined by your favorite media

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Speaker 4: media writers and friends. Who've got Clares Hill all City Dallas,

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Speaker 4: who got the Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 5: He's edwarder of w f A and.

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Speaker 4: The author and he's retirement return. It is Jacques Taylor.

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Speaker 4: Glad you hear baby.

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Speaker 1: It's just test to make sure I can't get fired

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Speaker 1: if I miss a week.

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Speaker 5: Ed you good with that?

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Speaker 6: I think there ought to be some kind of punitive

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Speaker 6: action taken.

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Speaker 5: It's our Sarge in his arms on Thursday.

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Speaker 6: But he did come with a freshly tailored shirt.

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Speaker 3: Fresh all press, No, freshly, it's out the box. I

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Speaker 3: see the folds freshly. This is how Hill out the box.

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Speaker 3: That's freshly out the box. I see the creases, the

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Speaker 3: unfold creases. That's freshly out the box.

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Speaker 7: The new shirt though, now when I put the jacket

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Speaker 7: on you, because.

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Speaker 3: But that's how Calvin Hill, you should rock them.

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Speaker 6: Okay, Calvin Hill, and so I didn't know you influenced

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Speaker 6: your stylist gave.

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Speaker 3: Hill got money.

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Speaker 1: I got money, Okay, he.

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Speaker 3: Got Hill money. What we're talking about got back.

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Speaker 6: You ain't got so much you can miss another week here.

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Speaker 1: Now that may be true, and.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna start the show right off the rope.

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Speaker 6: Here bro three two one ron.

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Speaker 4: They are wow, wow, O, my god, wow they are boy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they got to watch this team on a daily basis.

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Speaker 3: I don't well, that's why you're not in the locker room.

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Speaker 5: Let's start the locker room.

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Speaker 6: Nice. Sorry, right there around here, who y'all finding for

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Speaker 6: las time we thought was a professional turns out of

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Speaker 6: his wife.

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Speaker 4: Michael Parsons was facing it twenty five thousand dollars.

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Speaker 5: Fine if he didn't show.

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Speaker 6: Up, Oh really, somebody.

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Speaker 4: Decided they wouldn't want to get a league any money.

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Speaker 4: All right, all right, clans and ed going they tell.

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Speaker 5: You what what do we learned from mister Parsons.

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Speaker 3: You know, he talked a long time. You know I've

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Speaker 3: been you know, talked to him yesterday. But he talked

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Speaker 3: a long time, and as we talked before, he was

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Speaker 3: never going to be the poor of the marshal On Lynz.

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Speaker 3: He can't help himself. I mean, he likes to talk.

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Speaker 3: I was giving y'all something, y'all, like my tweets, y'all.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is all things he said today, y'all,

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Speaker 3: y'all like when I talk. You know, he was doing

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Speaker 3: us a favor.

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Speaker 3: He was never gonna be marched on Linz. Okay, he

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Speaker 3: was never just gonna show up there. What again? This

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Speaker 3: is again, as I said, that's why he got in

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Speaker 3: trouble in the first place, because he likes to talk.

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Speaker 3: And he admitted I was wrong. I made a mistake.

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Speaker 3: I apologized, and you know what he said, I didn't

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Speaker 3: elaborate further. I didn't elaborate enough of what I was

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Speaker 3: trying to say about Mike McCarthy and Jack Martin and

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Speaker 3: all the other stuff. But yeah, he said, I didn't

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Speaker 3: I didn't I didn't elaborate. I should elaborate a little more.

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Speaker 6: When when he's not rushing the passer he is what

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Speaker 6: a content creator he is, and after his comments about

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Speaker 6: Mike McCarthy, he created quite a bit of content for everyone.

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Speaker 6: And at that point it became in his best interest

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Speaker 6: to say nothing. Became another story that he still wasn't talking,

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Speaker 6: and so today it made sense for him to create

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Speaker 6: so there you have it. But he was I thought

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Speaker 6: he said a couple of good things. I mean, he

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Speaker 6: but he also did say that, Hey, you know, I've

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Speaker 5: He didn't have Google.

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Speaker 6: I wasn't an NFL fan.

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Speaker 3: He said, I was. He was asked about here because

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Speaker 3: many do you know? He said, I was only focused

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Speaker 6: Said I could have done better, I was angry. I

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Speaker 6: didn't finish my thoughts. I wasn't as thoughtful as I

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Speaker 6: it in that context, but that's on me. I lost.

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Speaker 6: I didn't finish what I was saying. I was trying

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Speaker 6: to hurry up in the locker room. Next time, I'll

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Speaker 6: be more careful about my message. So you know, that's

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Speaker 6: my apology. That's what he said.

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Speaker 3: My bad. So so there and that will be the

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Speaker 3: next time. He's not you know, he's not I'm not

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Speaker 3: talking to the media. He's there.

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Speaker 6: And he also and he also said to me, the

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Speaker 6: most important thing are the other players. They're the guys

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Speaker 6: I go to battle with. The coach is another secondary.

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Speaker 6: He cares most about his relationship with his players and

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Speaker 6: honoring and respecting them.

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Speaker 3: And when I was uston, I would That's what he

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Speaker 3: was trying to do. He was trying to make it

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Speaker 3: Mike got dropped into grease, but he was really trying

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Speaker 3: to turn yeah, because he was, but he was trying

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Speaker 3: to again, that's what it was. Initial attention was to

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Speaker 3: to honor that and do that. A couple other things

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Speaker 3: he said though. He talked about, you know, leadership in

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Speaker 3: this tough time and you know he's been here fad

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Speaker 3: nothing but success, whether you people think it was success

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Speaker 3: last three years can't but and so bet you take

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Speaker 3: twin five so bad. But he talked about working in

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Speaker 3: the leadership. Has Zimbrous challenged him to be a better

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Speaker 3: That is whod other Nobody told him to stop doing

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Speaker 3: this podcast, but to be a better leader. And he

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Speaker 3: talked about you know, he don't like letting coaches down,

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Speaker 3: coach being mad at it. He wouldn't elaborate on the

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Speaker 3: things that Zimmer talked to him about, but he talked

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Speaker 3: a light and.

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Speaker 6: A bad question. His most questionable thing was quote, y'all

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Speaker 6: gonna say, Mike Zimmer didn't have all his pieces, but

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Speaker 6: he sure put the damn good defense together. Is that

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Speaker 6: what we're going to say?

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Speaker 3: He said, we're going to say that. He and that's

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Speaker 3: the thing about We also asked Hi about you know,

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Speaker 3: I was trying to phrase it. I said, Mike, I

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Speaker 3: get cued of making too big of a deal about

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Speaker 3: things you said, but I want to podcast. But you

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Speaker 3: went on your podcast and said we're a good team,

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Speaker 3: but you really mean that what you meaning and he

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Speaker 3: really meant that. He said he tried to growth and improve. Yes,

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Speaker 3: here talking about the growth of the team and how

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Speaker 3: some growth against Houston. It's hard to say that when

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Speaker 3: you lose thirty four to ten. But that's why you're

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Speaker 3: talking about comportary football, because the offense did nothing to

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Speaker 3: help them, you know, when they turned that thing into

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Speaker 3: a blowout because the problems in the offense. You know,

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Speaker 6: And every he said, he's basically saying every opponent, unlike

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Speaker 6: the last three years, they all know our offensive limitations.

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Speaker 6: They know they don't have to score thirty five or

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Speaker 6: less than that given what we're playing. But that one

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Speaker 3: Can you.

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Speaker 1: Is it possible for Michael to be a better leader.

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Speaker 7: Yes, hell, I mean, and I say that in the

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Speaker 7: sense that everybody's not built to be a leader.

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Speaker 5: Some people are meant to do what they do.

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Speaker 6: Can just be a great player, and that's it.

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Speaker 1: That's what I mean.

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Speaker 7: And there's nothing wrong with that, because you ask people

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Speaker 7: because it ain't in them.

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Speaker 5: Well, back off with what you said.

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Speaker 3: Ed.

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Speaker 4: On the way over here, I was listening to a

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Speaker 4: podcast with Dwayne Wade and Pat Riley and he went

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Speaker 4: back to the sixth season when they played Dallas and

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Speaker 4: got beat by forty and Riley said, we're just sitting

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Speaker 4: And Gary Payton Senior, it's funny got called seniors.

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Speaker 3: Oh they did say Gary Page gp us us Payton.

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Speaker 4: But I was probably is like Gary Paynton senior. And

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Speaker 4: He said, I looked at I looked at Gary said

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Speaker 5: And he said.

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Speaker 4: Then I just went off and he said to Gary,

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Speaker 4: be a better follow me? Why don't you follow me?

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Speaker 4: I can help us get where we want to go.

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Speaker 4: But it starts with Gary, I need you to follow me.

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Speaker 4: And we talked about Michael Parsons, who are.

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Speaker 1: Gonna follow on this team.

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Speaker 3: My problem was.

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Speaker 5: Letting finish.

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Speaker 6: I'm letting it. I was always looking to finish. Yes,

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Speaker 6: I'm fascinated by what you're saying.

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Speaker 4: What he pat Riley was saying is as a coach,

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Speaker 4: if you will listen to me, I have a blueprint

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Speaker 4: of how we can get there. But you're doing your

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Speaker 4: thing right now. You're worried about getting it done your way.

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Speaker 5: You being GP And he's like, and he ain't want

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Speaker 5: none yet.

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Speaker 7: So you're really talking about following Zimmer, crying the road

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Speaker 7: as opposed to some other places.

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Speaker 5: And what have we been hearing about these guys defensively

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Speaker 5: this year?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they ain't trying to follow Zimmer. But that

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Speaker 1: also happened when hired a dude on one year did Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But that's.

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Speaker 3: That and the true leader is Jerry Jones. But I

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Speaker 3: would say this's not love. These leadership things and and

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Speaker 3: and chemistry things and brotherhood things and all the other stuff.

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Speaker 3: If them refs would have been cheating. In two thousand

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Speaker 3: and six, we wouldn't be talking about great leadership. That

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Speaker 3: team was in OSE six and we beat the Mavericks

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Speaker 3: because there was a lot of cheating going on, a

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Speaker 3: lot of phatom files. There are none to do. Had

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Speaker 3: none to do with Gary Payton and pat Riley. He

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Speaker 3: had to do with Dwayne Wade making a living at

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Speaker 7: It as hard to win, as you know, as every

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Speaker 6: That's what I took away from listening to your entire content.

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Speaker 9: Did he?

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Speaker 6: But he's not really hurting. He needs to be out there, Damian,

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Speaker 6: what do you too?

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Speaker 9: Right?

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Speaker 6: He said the same thing about Micah.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, Michael talked about he was disappointed and it

448
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Speaker 3: should have been he really talked, Yeah, he really talked

449
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Speaker 3: about that. He was disappointed, but he lost respect for him.

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Speaker 3: That's a former plan on question my injury. Don't don't

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Speaker 3: bring up my injury and like I just been sitting

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Speaker 3: there not trying to play when you know I had

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Speaker 3: a real injury.

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Speaker 6: But he had nothing but praise for Dan Quinn, his

455
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Speaker 6: former defensive coordinator and the new head coach in Washington.

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Speaker 5: Was it like the McCarthy praise.

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Speaker 1: It was better than that was so it was well thought.

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Speaker 6: It was very well reasoned start to finish. Yes, it

459
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Speaker 6: was a complete thought.

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Speaker 5: He cared about he said, DQ put in work.

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Speaker 6: Nobody passed away in the in the process of getting

462
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Speaker 6: from beginning to end. He actually started with that DQ

463
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Speaker 6: has gotten him tickets for this game for his family, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: said when d decided he was leaving here.

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Speaker 13: Sorry that man for teas man, I mean the NFL

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Speaker 13: has changed, He said, no, no, no, no, I don't

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Speaker 13: even that's not unusually.

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Speaker 3: That's not unusual. When you first of all, if you

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Speaker 3: ever tried to get tickets and you get them through

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Speaker 3: the team there, noble, you've seen George Love family.

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Speaker 6: Visiting the visit family.

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Speaker 3: They're at the top of the state. They give the

473
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Speaker 3: opposing team the worst tickets and ours. If you want

474
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Speaker 3: good tickets, you have to go through a player or

475
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Speaker 3: someone on the other team for your family. This is

476
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Speaker 3: not unusual. It happens more often than you think.

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Speaker 1: I think it's unusual.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying he coach, Well, they have relationships.

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Speaker 5: Just go with people that right is with I mean.

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Speaker 7: I feel confident Michael got enough money if he wanted

481
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Speaker 7: to to go to ticket mask and say the.

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Speaker 6: Next contract, second contract, any man.

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Speaker 3: Paid for the tickets he doesn't want to secure. You know,

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Speaker 3: I can get it, get through tickets. Like I call, hey,

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Speaker 3: you some tickets?

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Speaker 6: Are you Are you on his legal staff now or

487
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Speaker 6: something like? You would just defend everything, he.

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Speaker 7: Says, defends added dak, He's out, he has added a

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Speaker 7: new client.

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Speaker 3: And I'm giving context in the situation because I deal

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Speaker 3: with tickets. You know, I did we know, we knowicket

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Speaker 3: and I want to know and I want nobody. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying, wait till the bucket in Columbus waiting

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Speaker 3: I deal with I'm just saying I'm just giving context

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Speaker 3: to the situation. I know, on the outside looking at it,

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Speaker 3: it seems crazy, but that's how you have to get

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Speaker 3: decent seats and you want your family out. You don't

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Speaker 3: want them up in not lead that. That stadium is horrible.

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Speaker 3: That's the worst stadium in the league. It's falling apart

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Speaker 3: for that butt kicking.

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Speaker 6: They might yeah, but that lead further away the better.

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Speaker 5: How many is he getting here?

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Speaker 6: He didn't say, he.

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Speaker 3: Say, he wouldn't say, actually, but he said, got a

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Speaker 3: lot of fams because it's close to Pennsylvania. He's got

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Speaker 3: a lot of family, a lot of friends and family

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Speaker 3: coming to the game.

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Speaker 4: So as you say that, I go back to a

509
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Speaker 4: something I did earlier this year with Barry Switzer and Troy,

510
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Speaker 4: and Troy talked to Barry.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we all sat next to each other.

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Speaker 6: Yes, it was it was it was a port was Barry.

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Speaker 5: Yes, it was a good, fascinating conversation. Yes, they're very different.

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Speaker 9: But he.

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Speaker 4: Barry talked about how Keith Jackson called him for the

516
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Speaker 4: NFC Championship game a Texas stadium, asked him for twenty

517
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Speaker 4: five tickets. Yes, yes, his former OU player, and Barry

518
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Speaker 4: did get them.

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Speaker 3: So I was gonna say, yes, you know Switzer got

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Speaker 3: for sure. Yeah, that's too many tickets.

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Speaker 6: That Barry was the piano and.

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Speaker 3: Some black stuff.

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Speaker 5: He basically said that.

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Speaker 3: Barry.

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Speaker 4: I there asked somebody but very close enough to us

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Speaker 4: to Barry basically say, yeah, you asked.

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Speaker 3: Somebody for twenty not you not family, You're not on

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Speaker 3: the team. It's the biggest game in my life. I

529
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Speaker 3: do got family. Twenty five tickets.

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Speaker 4: It was twenty five, may even been thirty. But he

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Speaker 4: asked for that is like takes. I mean, I know

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Speaker 4: you won titles with me in college, but twenty five tickets,

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Speaker 4: nog bro to you did the right thing what he wanted.

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Speaker 3: Hey, yes it is.

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Speaker 4: I know the other thing about that conversation, Keith, which

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Speaker 4: was interesting that I did not know because Barry and

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Speaker 4: Troy are more than just fine. But Barry talked about

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Speaker 4: how he called Terry Donahue at UCLA, and what I

539
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Speaker 4: didn't know, and Troy said is that Terry Donahue made

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Speaker 4: him try out. He had to do a workout for

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Speaker 4: Terry Donahue in order to transfer to UCLA. I'm fascinating

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Speaker 4: because you a wishbone quarterback. Why is Berry sending me

543
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Speaker 4: a good quarterback? I don't really trust you like that. Berry,

544
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Speaker 4: let me let me just check it out.

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Speaker 3: Makes it He wasn't He wasn't a wishbone quarterback.

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Speaker 1: We're coming from Wisbone prog.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know they was supposed to switch to

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Speaker 3: the eye.

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Speaker 1: Are you really telling me this?

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Speaker 3: No, are you telling me this?

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Speaker 1: I know what number ten you do?

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Speaker 3: Hey, you tell me? You know he they switched to

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Speaker 3: the eye for Troy. We're really doing Yeah, we're doing

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Speaker 3: this this twist it.

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Speaker 6: Let's do it on the book promo tour.

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Speaker 3: Listen to the eye.

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Speaker 6: Well you guys vicious, Oh yeah we are.

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Speaker 5: I'm glad you want like you to We didn't.

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Speaker 4: We don't like you said here, just to let you know.

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Speaker 4: Media man, tough crowd baby. Yes, yes, so d Q

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Speaker 4: is is love. Was there any mention of Washington defensive

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Speaker 4: coordinator Joe Jr. Who wanted the job here as the

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Speaker 4: Cowboys defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 6: Lucky didn't get it?

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Speaker 9: You know?

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Speaker 6: Like I said, I talked to one and done got

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Speaker 6: four or five years in Washington.

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Speaker 3: Like I said, I talked to yesterday. I talked to

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Speaker 3: Jordan Lewis. I thought the hooker and they had nothing

570
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Speaker 3: but love for for Wit, certain the hooker was a safety.

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Speaker 3: He focused on the safeties here. Uh he said he

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Speaker 3: still talks to Wit to this day. You know, Michael

573
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Speaker 3: said he didn't have the same relations with with you know,

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Speaker 3: he had a d Q because you know, Witt was

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Speaker 3: more of a secondary guy.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: But just talking to people close to Wit, Mike McCarthy

578
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Speaker 3: had promised him a defense coordinator job well back in

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Speaker 3: the Green Bay days. He'd been with Mike McCarthy in

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Speaker 3: two thousand and eight and he thought he was gonna

581
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Speaker 3: get one of the Green Bay got passed over a

582
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Speaker 3: couple of times. He has thought he would had a

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Speaker 3: chance to get this job. And if you listened to

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Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy, he may have wanted to get to give

585
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Speaker 3: him this job. Jerry wanted the veteran coach and they

586
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Speaker 3: were going with them. Uh. He went appreciative of the

587
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Speaker 3: opportunity with Quinn and everybody links at McQuinn. But he's

588
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Speaker 3: really on McCartney's tree. This is McCarthy's guy, and so

589
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Speaker 3: I'm sure he has some motivation coming into this game.

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Speaker 3: Joe Witt does.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna bring Dan Campbell like atmosphere doing that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's a bit he blitzes more than the

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Speaker 3: Quinn does.

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Speaker 6: Come you know, So I mean it's just a silly

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Speaker 6: it's not gonna be a good day to be a

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Speaker 7: Now it's the silliness of I'm the head coach, is

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Speaker 7: my last year and I can't even pick the DC

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Speaker 1: In my last year. I mean, it's just absurd.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 6: But if you're Joe Witt and you're making a business

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Speaker 6: decision as to whether you want to be here with

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Speaker 5: Michael Harson?

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Speaker 3: He didn't, but I did talk to Brandon Cooks or

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Speaker 3: glet you brought that up. He said that half the

669
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 3: team was at the fight. They had Dad. Yes, Michael

670
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 3: was there.

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Speaker 6: They're gonna be at the fight Sunday.

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Speaker 3: He said, half a team was at the fire. You

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00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 3: brought that up. Really, one of the things I wanted

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Speaker 3: to bring up. Half team was at the fight Friday night.

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Speaker 3: They had a sweet and Cooks and Michael were down

676
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 3: stairs with Netflix on the floor. So he talked about that.

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00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 3: Cooks talked about that. It was a He said, I'm

678
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 3: thirty one. I got a chance to see Mike Tyson fight.

679
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 3: I said, no, you did you see Mike. You saw

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00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 3: Mike Tys tepping the ring. You ain't see Mike Tyxa fight.

681
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 3: I saw Mike Tyson fight. You didn't see Mike Tyx fight. Okay,

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Speaker 3: this was not we saw get knocked out real? You

683
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 3: know you didn't see Yeah, you didn't see Mike Tyson fight.

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00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 3: But yeah, half the team was there, you know. You know,

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00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 3: we asked Mike McCarthy about that. He want his daughters

686
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 3: wanted to go, and he took his daughters there because

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00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 3: when we saw you know, the videos everything, he was

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00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 3: walking by himself, like he was lost in the stadium.

689
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 3: People just see this. They might just randomly walking by yourself,

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Speaker 3: you know whatever. But the Happy team was there. It's

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Speaker 3: always an event. I was talking to someone else about this,

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Speaker 3: maybe it was last week about them having a fight

693
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Speaker 3: and having an event at the stadium and some player

694
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Speaker 3: got overserved and it was told on you come back,

695
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 3: had their wives everything there. But yeah, Cook said he

696
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 3: was just he was really impressed with how the stadium looked.

697
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 3: And they looked good on TV. I mean he's used

698
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 3: to he's out definitely side of the curtains, but you

699
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 3: know how the lord h the uh the uh just

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Speaker 3: the lights and this it was, you know, they put

701
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 3: on the show, was a great show and looked good.

702
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 3: He just he was impressed with the whole scene, you know.

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Speaker 3: And and they were all out on a Friday night

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Speaker 3: before the game.

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Speaker 6: They should have a big game there, someday, some big

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Speaker 6: NFL game the Super Bowl Championship game McCarthy.

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Speaker 3: McCarthy hosting, Yeah.

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Speaker 6: They should have a Jerry should host one of those championships.

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Speaker 1: He might have been running to the roof fell off

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Speaker 1: last week.

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Speaker 4: I forgot we did we we we had? We went

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Speaker 4: and took who won the We did the fight? I

713
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 4: can't remember what we had write it, Dawn. We made

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00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 4: picks for the fight?

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Speaker 3: Yeah we we was wrong?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I really think you.

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Speaker 6: Guys really picked the old guy.

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Speaker 7: I didn't you really think the thing was a forst

719
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Speaker 7: with two minute rounds and pillows for the.

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Speaker 3: Two minute ride. It was the pillowful glove. But if

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Speaker 3: you watch some of the things and how Mike was

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00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 3: pulling his punches, he started to pulled his punches early.

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Speaker 3: Couldn't you know there were brules in there that you

724
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Speaker 3: you had to go eight rounds, get all your money,

725
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 3: and those really rules.

726
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Speaker 1: I don't know if those were true or not, because

727
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Speaker 1: I can't believe it, just because