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Speaker 1: Hi guys, and welcome to a new episode of Couch

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Speaker 1: Talks on You Need Therapy Podcast.

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Speaker 2: My name is Kat.

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Speaker 1: I am the host and if you are unfamiliar with

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Speaker 1: what couch Talks is, it is the special bonus episode

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Speaker 1: of You Need Therapy where I answer questions that listeners

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Speaker 1: like you send to me at Catherine at You Need

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Speaker 1: Therapy podcast dot com. Now quick reminder, even though I'm

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Speaker 1: answering your questions, and again this podcast is called You

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Speaker 1: Need Therapy, the podcast does not serve as a replacement

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Speaker 1: or substitute for any actual mental health service, including therapy,

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Speaker 1: but we always hope that it helps in some way.

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Speaker 1: An extra disclaimer if you cannot tell, I'm a little

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Speaker 1: bit under the weather, I'm very congested and it feels

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Speaker 1: like this is like the cold that will never go away.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna do my best to speak clearly today

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Speaker 1: and maybe if you don't like my normal voice, this

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Speaker 1: episode will give you a chance to appreciate my actual

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Speaker 1: voice a little bit more because it's not this and

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Speaker 1: if it doesn't, then well thanks for listening anyway, even

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Speaker 1: though you don't like my voice. So New Year, We're

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Speaker 1: back if you again are new two couch talks. I

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Speaker 1: do usually one question a week, and I keep them anonymous,

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Speaker 1: so you can send emails in knowing that I will

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Speaker 1: not share your personal information. I'll only share the information

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Speaker 1: that you put in the email and don't tell me

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Speaker 1: not to share. So we're going to stick with that.

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Speaker 1: This is a very good question, I think for the

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Speaker 1: new year. I'm really glad that somebody wrote this in

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Speaker 1: so I think we're just going to get into it

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Speaker 1: because I have a lot to say on this topic.

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Speaker 2: So here is the email.

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Speaker 1: Hey Kat, Happy twenty twenty four and happy wedding year.

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Speaker 1: Side note, this is me, thank you very much. I

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Speaker 1: am getting married and tomorrow will be forty four days,

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Speaker 1: which is so crazy, but that's not what this is about.

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to carry on.

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Speaker 1: I am writing to you because as expected, I am

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Speaker 1: getting diet culture content everywhere I turn right now. I

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Speaker 1: never struggled with an eating disorder at least I don't think,

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Speaker 1: but I definitely have had a difficult relationship with my body,

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Speaker 1: food and working out at times.

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Speaker 2: This past year.

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Speaker 1: I really made an effort to work on this, and

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Speaker 1: I was feeling like I was in a really good

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Speaker 1: place right around October I didn't love the way my

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Speaker 1: body looked by any means, but I was taking care

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Speaker 1: of myself, and at least I didn't hate my body

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Speaker 1: or constantly feel like I.

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Speaker 2: Needed to change it or fix it.

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Speaker 1: But now I am having this battle in my head

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Speaker 1: all of the time about wanting to change my body,

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Speaker 1: maybe go on a new diet or start a challenge

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Speaker 1: like the Whole thirty or seventy five hard. I don't

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Speaker 1: actually want to do this because I feel like it

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Speaker 1: goes against all of the work I have done that

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Speaker 1: has allowed me to feel better at the end of

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Speaker 1: last year. But I don't know how to ignore all

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Speaker 1: of the noise everywhere. My gym is doing a challenge,

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Speaker 1: I see ads everywhere about weight loss in the new year,

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Speaker 1: and I also just saw a commercial four ozempic that

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Speaker 1: looks very appealing. Do you have any suggestions around how

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Speaker 1: to ignore diet culture, specifically in January where it's everywhere. Okay, So,

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Speaker 1: like I said, I'm really grateful for this email. I'm

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Speaker 1: not grateful that anybody's struggling with this, but I do

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Speaker 1: think it is important to address this specific topic multiple

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Speaker 1: times a year. Definitely in the beginning of the new year,

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Speaker 1: even though talking about it might feel redundant, because we

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Speaker 1: do get like inundated with diet culture, specifically in the

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Speaker 1: new year. I feel like at the end of the

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Speaker 1: all this all these sweets and extra food and gaining

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Speaker 1: bad light. And then in January, they've like worn you

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Speaker 1: down and then they take all of that, they've like,

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Speaker 1: you know, dug you into a hole, made you feel

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Speaker 1: all this stuff that you did that you shouldn't have done,

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Speaker 2: So I find it really important to talk about this.

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Speaker 1: Even though it feels like, oh, we know or I

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Speaker 1: know or I've talked about that. Well, yes, and it

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Speaker 1: still can be very very hard to defend yourself and

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Speaker 1: diet culture because they are so good at what they do.

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Speaker 1: So let's just get into all of this. I have

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Speaker 1: diet culture propaganda, I don't think is ever going to

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Speaker 1: were just putting a reminder out, like, you don't have

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Speaker 1: to work out to eat. Exercise is not shaming your body.

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Speaker 1: It's not a punishment, and it was just a very

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Speaker 1: a little message being like, I can't believe we have

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Speaker 1: to continue to say this, and my response is me too.

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Speaker 1: It's very frustrating, and it's never going away. Diet culture

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Speaker 1: is never going to go away, and so we're going

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Speaker 1: don't really care about us. That's where I'm going to start.

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Speaker 1: When we start to peel back the layers of all

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Speaker 1: your gym or specials at the gym or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: You're seeing all these different things, and when you peel

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Speaker 1: is connecting all of them together, and that is that

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Speaker 1: they are all selling you something. They are all trying

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Speaker 1: trying to sell you something that you will never not

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Speaker 1: up and the way that they work, which is fine

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Speaker 1: to an extent, because there are harmless things that I

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Speaker 1: the day I die or for a very long time.

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Speaker 1: Those things generally don't make me feel bad about myself,

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Speaker 2: Emotional health.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about things like a kind of sock that

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Speaker 1: I mean consumerism as a whole, I mean it's a

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Speaker 1: really go down, but I feel like I'm teetering over there.

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Speaker 1: There are things that we are going to fall into

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Speaker 1: the trap of that. And it's not all negative. Somebody

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Speaker 1: selling you a product is not all negative. We work,

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Speaker 1: We live in a society that we have to have money,

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Speaker 1: that's not really the issue here. It's that they are

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Speaker 1: It somewhat perpetuates it, and it can cause a lot

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Speaker 1: a problem. Is they're not selling you these harmless things.

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Speaker 2: Oh, we have the best sock. You should buy these socks.

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Speaker 1: It's oh, I'm going to convince you that you don't

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Speaker 1: give you another product that's a higher level product of

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Speaker 1: care of the issues that the other product that you

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Speaker 1: Like it's all I mean, it's a scheme there, it's

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Speaker 1: a trap. And also the more you will talk about this,

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Speaker 1: also you know, guys, I've been on this cult journey

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Speaker 1: podcast is Sounds Like a Cult, and diet culture is

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Speaker 1: layers back, like I was saying, when you really get

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Speaker 1: very similar to the makeup of a cult. It sells

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Speaker 1: you the promise of a better life. But once you're

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Speaker 2: And that is very scary to me.

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Speaker 1: I don't feel like if I stop buying the socks

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Speaker 1: that I love Bambas, that I'm going to have some

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Speaker 1: sad because I really like those socks, but I don't

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Speaker 1: not something that scares me. So what I'm getting at

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Speaker 1: that what is very helpful for me to remember is

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Speaker 1: for the most part. It's here to make money off

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Speaker 1: of you. It's business. It's here to make money off

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Speaker 1: your insecurities. It's here to make money off of you

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Speaker 1: being vulnerable, and it's mean. It's not a kind thing.

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Speaker 1: Even think about the challenges that you said, your gym

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Speaker 1: is doing a challenge. I know this better than I

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Speaker 1: you're doing the challenge to help yourself, the gym most

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Speaker 1: Because it's a business. A gym is a business, and

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Speaker 1: so I personally do believe businesses can be ethical. I

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Speaker 1: because again, they are businesses.

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