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Speaker 1: Ron An Aian, Ron, why don't you just treat the

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Speaker 1: symptom well? Because it's not that I don't treat the symptom,

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Speaker 1: but I look at the conditions, all right, The conditions

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Speaker 1: create the symptom.

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Speaker 2: Big cars like one mass.

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Speaker 1: The Car Doctor. Was that cap off when you took

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Speaker 1: it apart before we started?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Then there was a line to it.

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Speaker 3: It was broken.

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Speaker 1: It was opening, all right, So where's that line now?

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Speaker 1: You just got to kind of hang it out in space.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: I took it off because I couldn't find the other

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Speaker 1: into it.

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Speaker 5: Welcome to the radio home of ron An Aian, the

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Speaker 5: Car Doctor. Since nineteen ninety one. This is where car

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Speaker 5: owners the world overturned to for their definitive opinion on

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Speaker 5: automotive repair. If your mechanics giving you a busy signal,

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Speaker 5: pick up the phone and call in. The garage doors.

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Speaker 1: Are open, but I am here to take your calls

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Speaker 1: at eight five, five, five, six nine nine hund.

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Speaker 4: And now.

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Speaker 1: Running well. According to the ever indubitable mister Ray, we

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Speaker 1: got a lot of calls this hour, so let's get

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Speaker 1: the garage doors wide open. Let's go to Joe and

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Speaker 1: Iowa twelve f three fifty return call intermittent, no crank, Joe,

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Speaker 1: what have you done to this truck so far? Bring

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Speaker 4: Okay. So I just kind of it's my kid's truck.

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Speaker 4: It's a f spare truck. So I just kind of

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Speaker 4: can't remember. I mean, it won't crank. It's enterm in

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Speaker 4: and sometimes it will, sometimes it won't. So I checked,

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Speaker 4: you know, power at the s terminal, the small you know,

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Speaker 4: positive wire starter. They don't have any voliage air and

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Speaker 4: I checked, like you know, one of the first things.

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Speaker 4: I went to the ignitio switch and you kind of

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Speaker 4: told me which wire was the blue white coming out

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Speaker 4: of the switch, and I checked for power. I didn't

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Speaker 4: check for voltage, but I checked for a light. I

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Speaker 4: had a test light and I had a test flight

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Speaker 4: after you turned into crank position, so I did have

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Speaker 4: power through the switch. And then I went to the

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Speaker 4: but the relays. I pulled a couple of the relays

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Speaker 4: out and I bought a new relay. I hope I

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Speaker 4: got the right one, and I popped a new one

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Speaker 4: in on the start on it's a one oh one.

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Speaker 1: Relay, tell you what, Joe, back up a second. I

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Speaker 1: get nervous using test lights on cars with computers, So

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Speaker 1: put the test light away. Do you have a vault meter?

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Speaker 4: Okay? Okay, yeah, so okay, so I could go back

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Speaker 4: and check that through the start switch. I suppose you're

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Speaker 4: supposed to have twelve twelve and a half volts. I'm

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Speaker 4: thinking maybe through the switch.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, you should have battery voltage at the switch. So,

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Speaker 1: but more importantly, okay, more importantly, what I had said was,

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Speaker 1: have a blue white. That blue white feeds the body

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Speaker 1: computer and the PCM. That tells both the body computer

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Speaker 1: If you if you've got the right two wires and

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Speaker 1: the truck cranks after you've checked your voltage. You've got

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Speaker 1: a bad ignition switch, or the linkage of the steering

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Speaker 4: Okay, so with you know, with it? Yeah, of course,

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Speaker 4: the doctor said, I just had a test light and

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Speaker 4: I put in the cranks with a test light. There's

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Speaker 4: So if I would have had twelve and alfolds, it

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Speaker 1: Why?

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Speaker 3: Do you know why? Well?

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Speaker 1: Here, Joe, do you know why the vault meter is

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Speaker 4: I could, I could have a I could have lower

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Speaker 1: You can your I? Can your I see ten vaults

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Speaker 4: No, definitely not.

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Speaker 1: The computer can trust me. It needs to see voltage.

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Speaker 1: So put the put the vault meter, put the test

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Speaker 1: light away with. When it comes to computer cars, there's

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Speaker 1: also other issues where doing certain tests with test lights

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Speaker 1: So let's let's let's go on the assumption that which

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Speaker 1: bad ignition switch, all right, Going into the battery junction box.

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Speaker 1: You've got a white violet wire coming out of the

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Speaker 1: you've got a yellow which is the ground signal out

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Speaker 1: of the PCM, provided it sees proper connection or proper

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Speaker 1: you put twelve volts down the brown green going to

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Speaker 1: the starter soling right in the cranks. It's as simple

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Speaker 4: I checked it, well, I did. I did check the relays,

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Speaker 4: And then I switched the start relay to a run

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Speaker 2: Of course I tried the other.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the new new relay also in that that new

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Speaker 1: I don't know that there's a start relay on this engine, Joe.

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Speaker 4: It's a gas. But I know some of the relays

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Speaker 1: My to my right. Well, this is where I would

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Speaker 1: To my knowledge, there's only one start relay and it's

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Speaker 1: going to feed. This is a simple four wire relay, Joe.

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Speaker 1: All right, so do your do you yeah, do yourself

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Speaker 1: All right, let's measure vaulted. Okay, Then let's go look

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Speaker 1: never I never trust under the hood covers. You want

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Speaker 1: to ask me why, Ask me why? Yeah, ask me

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Speaker 1: put the wrong cover on. I'm not saying this is

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Speaker 1: your case, but been there, done that. This is why

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Speaker 1: you know when you guys hear me talk about how

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Speaker 1: I spend twenty twenty five minutes doing research on the

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Speaker 1: average problem, sometimes up to an hour before I even

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Speaker 1: I don't want to believe it. You know it's it's

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Speaker 1: and I'll usually knock my diagnosises out. I'm not embarrassed

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Speaker 1: that's not brag, that's just fact. Just because I do

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Speaker 1: my research. You gotta do your research. You're you're hop

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Speaker 1: you're you're playing hopscotch here, You're all over the place.

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Speaker 1: So get a voltmeter, start over, follow a wiring diagram.

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Speaker 1: If you need a wiring diagram, you send me an

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Speaker 1: email run at cardoctorshow dot com and I'll be glad

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Speaker 1: to send you what I got. I'm sure I've got

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Speaker 1: scan tool would come in handy because you can likely

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Speaker 1: see a crank request, run request, and so on via

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Speaker 1: that will tell you what the PCM or the power

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Speaker 1: train control module is actually seeing as part of its

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Speaker 4: I don't have a scan tool?

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Speaker 1: Okay, well you gotta you gotta one. Well, yeah, it

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Speaker 1: wouldn't hurt if you're gonna go this deep. You got

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Speaker 1: a digital, you got a decent digital voltomemeter.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, okay.

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Speaker 1: So you've got some things to do it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I got a question. So you know what I

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Speaker 4: did do because I switched around the relays, and of

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Speaker 4: course I cleaned up a bunch of grounds. Two on

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Speaker 4: maybe you could be a bad ground and stuff. I

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Speaker 4: to frame ground and there's a one coming off off

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Speaker 4: I could probably clean those up. But what was I

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Speaker 1: Did you have did you have power on the solenoid

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Speaker 1: feed going down to the starter.

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Speaker 4: That power going down to the selenoid seed. Yeah, I

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Speaker 4: mean the big positive I do have no, not.

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Speaker 1: The big positive, the solid, the small gig, the smaller gauge,

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Speaker 1: the smaller gauge solenoid wire, Joe, the wire that the

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Speaker 1: wire that energized. You didn't have power there?

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Speaker 3: Correct?

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Speaker 4: No, that No, that's because that's one of the first

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Speaker 4: things I checked, right And if you know, no, no lecture.

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Speaker 1: Joe, if you don't if you didn't have power there

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Speaker 1: and you were where was your where was where was

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Speaker 1: your negative meter? Or were you using the test light again?

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Speaker 4: Now I had a volt meter on that. I went

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Speaker 4: to positive positive.

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Speaker 2: To the ask turn.

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Speaker 4: I guess it's called s term small positive wire. And

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Speaker 4: then I went to ground. I tried to you know,

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Speaker 4: I went on the frame and I went on the

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Speaker 4: ground wire.

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Speaker 1: Ground at the ground at the battery, Joe, ground ground

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Speaker 1: the battery. I'm gonna hold your feet to the fire

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Speaker 1: on this. Do you know why we do ground at

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Speaker 1: the battery because.

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Speaker 4: You eliminate all the bad grounds.

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Speaker 1: Right right? And the first thing, the first thing and

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Speaker 1: the first step in any electrical diagnosis, I don't care

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Speaker 1: if it's a no crank, the wipers don't turn on,

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Speaker 1: the interior lights don't turn on. You know what the

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Speaker 1: first step I do in any diagnosis electrical, I put

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Speaker 1: Or something, I bet you could dangle that harness down

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 1: Eight five five five six zero nine nine zero zero.

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Speaker 2: What's more fun than listening to Ron and Ay and

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Speaker 1: welcome to the car doctors here. How can I help?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Terrific to speak with you.

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Speaker 3: Ron.

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Speaker 2: You always are given us phenomenal advice and kudos always

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Speaker 3: Thank you Ron.

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Speaker 2: Just real quick, we have a two thousand Chevrolet Suburban

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Speaker 2: And apparently the dealers don't do the work anymore, they

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Speaker 1: I think all of that is true. I believe that

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Speaker 1: Because and my concern with agees because the glue the

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Speaker 1: So you gotta do a little legwork here, Larry. I

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Speaker 1: Car Doctor. We're back right after this. Welcome back Running

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Car Doctor. Sir, how can I help?

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Speaker 7: Hey? I was wondering if you have a card. It's

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Speaker 7: you know it's got a slow leak, and you every year,

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Speaker 7: maybe you add a one can, maybe it'll last two years.

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Speaker 7: At what point do you need to add oil.

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Speaker 1: Ah, good system, good question, right. The problem becomes, well,

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Speaker 1: for that? Do they even make a kid for that?

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Speaker 1: I've never seen one. Doesn't mean it's not out there.

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Speaker 1: And then you know you're sort of you see when

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Speaker 1: measure how much oil comes out of the system so

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Speaker 7: You know, it's just so let me ask you this.

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Speaker 7: As the system loses refrigerant over the years, over time,

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Speaker 7: does it also lose oil?

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Speaker 1: Sure, because the oil is suspended. The oil is hung

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Speaker 1: let's for our one ounce of oil. So I put

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Speaker 1: didn't over oil the system?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: Which is which is always which is always possible too,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I've I've seen that. Or how do

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Speaker 1: I know the last three guys didn't you know who

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Speaker 1: because everybody keeps recharging a system that's got a different problem,

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Speaker 1: you know. So let's let's talk about it like this.

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Speaker 1: If you add your can, all right of refrigerant and

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Speaker 1: the system is cold, right, what's your what's your duck temperature?

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Speaker 1: If you put if you put your can in, do

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Speaker 1: you see forty five degrees of the ducks?

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Speaker 7: Well, I can feel it's really cold now in the past,

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Speaker 7: I've done.

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Speaker 1: It, but can't can't use your hands. Got to buy

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Speaker 1: a thermometer, spend.

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Speaker 3: Ten bucks, all right, Okay, all right.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's let's let's be let's be sort of

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Speaker 1: scientific about it. Here's here's part of the problem. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you're converting an R twelve system to one thirty four

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Speaker 1: one thirty four by industry standard, calls for it to

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Speaker 1: be eighty eighty to ninety percent less of a charge

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Speaker 1: than the R twelve. All right, so when you charge

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00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,879
Speaker 1: a one thirty four converted system, it's a little bit

439
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 1: of black magic. You know, you're gonna if it was

440
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,120
Speaker 1: a two pound system, and you're gonna, you know, put

441
00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,640
Speaker 1: the eighty percent in. So maybe it's one point six pounds,

442
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't put one point six pounds in right away.

443
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 1: I'd put in one point four. How cold does it feel?

444
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 3: Well?

445
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 1: Where's my system pressure? What does the duck temperature read

446
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 1: versus the ambient temperature of the day. You know, I

447
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 1: love to charge AC on ninety degree days because if

448
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,919
Speaker 1: I can get it down to forty five degrees based

449
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,640
Speaker 1: on charge level, and I haven't exceeded anything in terms

450
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 1: of capacity, I know I'm on track. It's it's much

451
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 1: easier to charge. But you know, I've also got to

452
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 1: consider humidity due point. You know, there's a bunch of

453
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 1: other factors because now I'm kind of playing I'm playing

454
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 1: god with the air conditioning. It was a lot easier

455
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 1: when I knew it was an R twelve system, and

456
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 1: I just dumped in two pounds and walked away. All right.

457
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 1: So you know, do you have any sort of pressure

458
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 1: gauges or are you just doing this by the can method. Yes,

459
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 1: you have gauges.

460
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,639
Speaker 7: I have a well, I have a really simple gauge.

461
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 7: It's on a one of those trigger styles that you

462
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:53,399
Speaker 7: pull and it's got to gauge.

463
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 4: It's that well.

464
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 1: But you can you can read system You can read

465
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 1: system pressure. Yes, okay, so system pressure at rest in

466
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: the shade. You know, if it's if it's ninety degrees out,

467
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,239
Speaker 1: you would read you should read ninety pounds on an

468
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,399
Speaker 1: our twelve system A one thirty four, you'll read slightly less.

469
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 1: So where do you read if you read sixty pounds?

470
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 1: Yeah right, I'm saying, but if you test it, if

471
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 1: you read sixty pounds, that sounds that sounds low to me.

472
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: You know, so you know, add add eight ounces if

473
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 1: you can add half a can? All right, because you're

474
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: again you're you're you're kind of playing with this a

475
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: little bit. You know, there's a there's a give and take.

476
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 1: Do you know where this has an orifice? Tuo ben

477
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 1: at John.

478
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 3: Do you know what an orphis?

479
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 7: It's a cavalier. So it has what they call a

480
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 7: receiver dryer, right, and then it.

481
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: Has an orifice two for for for expansion. Right, it

482
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 1: has the little screen, it has a it has a

483
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 1: you know, look up and see what it has. For refrigerant,

484
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 1: uh cycle, it should have an orifice tube, which is

485
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: a metered Its refrigerant metering device is a long, thin

486
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: tube about two inches long with a screen on it,

487
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: and it's it boils down to a little pinpoint that

488
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: allows it to drip drop into the evaporator. All right,

489
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: find the evaporator, okay, find the point where the expansion

490
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: tube sits, which usually on those cars, if I remember right,

491
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: the orifice tube sat next to the spring coupling down

492
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 1: low as it entered the evaporator. All right, if that

493
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 1: system is charged correctly on an eighty five ninety degree day,

494
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: it'll be real hot on the one side of the

495
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: orifice tube. And immediately after that's why you'll you ever

496
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: start to see frost at one point on the line. Okay,

497
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,880
Speaker 1: when you that that frost point just a little bit

498
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 1: back of that is going to be where the orifice

499
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: tube is. If you look at the if you look

500
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: at the liquid line just right, you'll see there's dimples

501
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: in it. Those dimples are holding the or tube in

502
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,360
Speaker 1: placed and keeping it from being pushed into the evaporator.

503
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: And the reason I tell you all this is because

504
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,919
Speaker 1: if you look carefully, all right, you'll be warm on

505
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 1: the backside of the orifice tube and cold on the other.

506
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: And you'll notice, up to a certain point you're adding refrigerant.

507
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 1: You will create a higher volume of refrigerant available. Under

508
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: the correct conditions, you can exceed that where you flood

509
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: the evaporator. Now it's just got too much refrigerant in it.

510
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 1: But you're trying to find that happy balance. That's why

511
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 1: you don't want the system overcharged.

512
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 3: Okay, does that make sense?

513
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 7: So you yes? I don't. I wasn't going to put

514
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 7: oil in it straight. I was going to. I have

515
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 7: a can of ac Pro what they call first charge.

516
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 7: It has some kind of lubricant mixed in with the

517
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 7: within with the one right, and I was going to

518
00:25:59,160 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 7: try that.

519
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: You can, you can, you can? You can surely do that,

520
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: all right. The biggest problem with what you're doing, and

521
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,120
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't fault you. It's an older car

522
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: and it's your car. And listen, more power to your brother.

523
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: If you brought me that car to the shop. I

524
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: couldn't hook up to it. The reason is, you know,

525
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: with with with a lot of the little cans of refrigerant,

526
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: there are liquid seilers in there, and you're you're obligated morally,

527
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 1: in my opinion, if you take that into a repair

528
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 1: shop and they hook a machine up to say hey,

529
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: I've been using small cans with seiler, and then the

530
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: shop has to make a decision do they want to

531
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 1: because enough seiler gets into a six thousand dollars AC

532
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: machine and it's broken. It's a concern.

533
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 7: I've seen that in the past cans with the ceiler

534
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 7: and this one here it just says instantly lubricates new

535
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 7: compressors and absorbed moisture.

536
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 1: Well, if it's ac pro. If it's ac pro, I

537
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,959
Speaker 1: would double check it because it likely has sealer in it.

538
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: All right, sir? Right, Well, just like I said, I

539
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: don't very much. You're very welcome. You'll be well eight

540
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 1: five five five six zero nine nine zero zero. We're

541
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: back right after this. Welcome back, let's go to David

542
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 1: Illinois fourteen patriot Dave Rodin Indian at your service, sir,

543
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: how can I help?

544
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 3: Thanks?

545
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 6: Uh? It started out with the no throttle, So we

546
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 6: changed the electronic throttle on the floor and that did nothing.

547
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 6: So we went to the throttle body and changed it

548
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 6: and got it back going. What it does now is

549
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 6: it starts out iding about one thousand and eleven and

550
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 6: when it drops to six hundred you can leave and

551
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 6: drive it as far as you want to, forty fifth

552
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 6: mile whatever. As soon as you shut it off. If

553
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 6: you restart it right away, it'll run about two blocks

554
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 6: and die on you.

555
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: Whose parts did you use?

556
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 6: Gotten from the local onto supply store. I don't know

557
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 6: the brand, right, I'd be.

558
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: Concerned about brand number one number two. There is something

559
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: called a using a scan tool called an Electronic throttle

560
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: control follower test, where the scan tool will activate the

561
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: throttle body and put it through a self sweep test

562
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: to verify and identify is it working correctly, because it

563
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: sounds like since the parameters have changed, it went from

564
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: having one problem to a second problem. It sounds like

565
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: one or both of your new pieces have a problem. Frankly,

566
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: you know, I I'm very fussy on throttle body stuff, Dave.

567
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: I got to tell you, you know owe stuff only

568
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: I'm just like that. I haven't seen a lot in

569
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: the aftermarket that makes me happy, all right, And that's

570
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: just you know, maybe I've got blinders on, but I've

571
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: been down this road.

572
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 2: You know.

573
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: I will use aftermarket stuff where I have to. And

574
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: I've got to say, the few that I've used within

575
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: six months to a year, that usually comes back and

576
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: I've got to replace it again because the quality just

577
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: isn't there. I don't know why. I'm not going to

578
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: debate it. I'm not going to you know, entertain the

579
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: house and the what's I can just tell you what

580
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: my experience has been. So you know, number one, think

581
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: about the quality of the part. Number two, a scan tool,

582
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: an etc. Follower test which will help diagnose this. And

583
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: you know number three you may need a scan tool.

584
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: You will need a scan tool to do this. Do

585
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: you understand how drive by wire works any inkling?

586
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 2: Oh?

587
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, then you know it's critical. Voltage is critical.

588
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: They've got they've got two throttle position sensors there. One

589
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: starts out at a half vault, one starts out at

590
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: four point seven vaults, and they work opposite and backwards

591
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: of each other. So I would venture to guess you

592
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: could probably do you still have the old foot pedal assembly. Yes, okay,

593
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: once you put the old foot pedal assembly back in

594
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: and see if your problem is still the same. And

595
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: if it is, that tells you that the one you

596
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: replaced has absolutely nothing wrong with it. And I'd leave

597
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: it back in the car. It's the original part. If

598
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: it does change it, then put the other part back

599
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: in and put the other throttle body back on. Does

600
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,479
Speaker 1: the problem go back to being what it was, not

601
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: what it is, and then you're gonna find it. Then

602
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: you're gonna find out it's parts. Now. There's also a

603
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: reasonable circumstance where doing a throttle relearn is required, and

604
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: would I would hope that you would do that as

605
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: part of normal parts replacement, but short of it being

606
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: a throttle relearn, and you can't do an etc. Follower test.

607
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: If we're gonna throw parts at this you know, do

608
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: the old poke and hope, then I think we're gonna

609
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna have to, you know, go back

610
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: to OE and start there. But I would encourage you

611
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: to do some further testing before you continue to throw

612
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: money at this car, because I think it's just gonna

613
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: get you further in the hole. Eight five five five

614
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: six zero nine nine zero zero. We're back right after this.

615
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: Welcome back, name the car doctor. Jeez, what an hour,

616
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: Brian Philadelphia, Sir, let's close out with you.

617
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 3: How are you today, Ron?

618
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 8: How you doing?

619
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: I'm good? What's going on?

620
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 8: I would say? I always enjoy talking to Tom ray Man.

621
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 8: He's a good guy. Yep, does a great job for you,

622
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 8: keeps it all together.

623
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: He's the best.

624
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 8: So Ron, this is oh yeah, So the thing is this,

625
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 8: And I know you've talked about it. I use a

626
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 8: fuel injected cleaner. I know you mentioned Berryman's and a

627
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 8: few others. Is there a point where you can use

628
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 8: it too often where it could be damaging? Or is

629
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 8: it safe to use.

630
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 4: Often?

631
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 8: That's that's what I didn't know.

632
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: No, I listen, you could use it every fillip? All right?

633
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: Can you put? Can you put too much at one time?

634
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: Sure you're gonna cut the you're gonna cut and you know,

635
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: dispense the volume of fuel with too much cleaner. It's

636
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: too high ratio. And yeah, then it's you're actually gonna

637
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: affect combustion. You'll actually affect the complete combustion process. If

638
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: I can say it like that, make the engine run poorly?

639
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: And create carbon because you know, most most fuel system cleaners, well,

640
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: I don't think I'll just rephrase that note in tank additive.

641
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: Fuel system cleaners work by themselves as a fuel substitute.

642
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: All right, you can't run an engine just strictly on

643
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: fuel system cleaner. I don't know of anybody's that you can.

644
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: There are some fuel injector cleaners that are fuel system

645
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: substitutes or gasoline substitutes because we set up with a

646
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: machine to run through the rail, to run the vehicle

647
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: on that particular substitute. But we're not adding that to

648
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: the tank. Reason being my understanding and the explanation I

649
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: always get is that it is too caustic and it

650
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: will affect fuel pump life, rubber gasket seals, screens and

651
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: so on. So no, once every tank full, fine, once

652
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: every oil change. Sure, once a year. What's the point,

653
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: you know? Yeah, there's a there's a delicate balance. Yes, sir.

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Speaker 8: Is there a difference between fuel system cleaner and fuel

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Speaker 8: injector cleaner because I always see both products. I always

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Speaker 8: see both names on the various products at the store.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, everybody calls everything whatever name they think

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Speaker 1: they can get away with to make their marketing work.

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Speaker 1: You know, I would read the can. I've seen things

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Speaker 1: labeled fuel injection cleaner that talks about how it's a

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Speaker 1: pouring solution into the gas tank that to me is

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Speaker 1: nothing more than a fuel tank additive. And then I've

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Speaker 1: seen fuel injector cleaners that talk specifically what I was

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Speaker 1: just saying about, how it has to be connected to

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Speaker 1: the fuel rail and run as part of a fuel

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Speaker 1: system cleaning, a fuel system process where they run it

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Speaker 1: through the rail, disable the fuel pump, It cleans the injectors,

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Speaker 1: it cleans the back of the intake valves, and you

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Speaker 1: know it does a different or sort of job. You know,

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Speaker 1: you should get out to the Berryman website, get out

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Speaker 1: to the Barnmanproducts dot com. You can read about the

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Speaker 1: differences in the cleaners. But I believe they've got a

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Speaker 1: couple of videos out there that demonstrate the process. But

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Speaker 1: as far as over using it, no, you can just

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Speaker 1: overuse a fuel system cleaner by putting too much volume

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Speaker 1: in at the tank. Because if you look at the can,

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Speaker 1: it says treats up to twenty gallons or treats up

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Speaker 1: to sixteen gallons. So if you put two cans in

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Speaker 1: that each can could treat twenty gallons on a twenty

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Speaker 1: gallon tank. You're cutting down the volume of fuel to

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Speaker 1: cleaner ratio. You're you're you've got too much cleaner in there,

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Speaker 1: and the engine's not going to run efficiently, and you're

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Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna defeat the whole purpose of what you're

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Speaker 1: trying to do.

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Speaker 8: I use, I use the one. It's one. You know,

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Speaker 8: it's one bottle for fill up, right, you know, right,

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Speaker 8: it's actually that. But the barman at the media funnel.

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Speaker 1: All right, kiddo, Barreman Products dot Com. They'll they'll fill

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Speaker 1: it out for you and Brian always a pleasure, sir.

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Speaker 1: You well, and we'll leave it there. Hey, I'm running

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Speaker 1: ady in the car. Doctor. It was a wild and

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Speaker 1: wooly hour. I gotta tell you it must be a

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Speaker 1: full moon this week. Some of the calls have me

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Speaker 1: scratching my head what we're trying to fix. You gotta

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Speaker 1: follow procedure, guys. You gotta use meters, you gotta use tools,

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Speaker 1: and you gotta stop swapping parts because throwing parts at

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Speaker 1: something doesn't work in most of the cases till the

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Speaker 1: next time. Good mechanics aren't expensive they're priceless.

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Speaker 2: See you