1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Hello Texans, and welcome to the program that gets you 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: inside at RG Stadium. Mark Vandermeyer and John Harris with 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: you tonight as we will talk with an assistant coach, 4 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: James camp In the Old Line Coach. That's followed by 5 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: Who's Better, which we play every Tuesday, which is always fun, 6 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: and we'll go around the league as well. But let's 7 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: start out with the old line coach new to the 8 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: Texans but not new to the NFL. Spent a lot 9 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: of years with the Packers. In fact, he played for 10 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: Green Bay, James Camping, and we wanted to know how 11 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: it's going out there at practice with these guys instructing 12 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: them getting ready for twenty twenty one. It's going well, 13 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:39,599 Speaker 1: it's uh, it's sure is nice to see faces and 14 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: be on zoom like last year and this has been 15 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: really good. Uh, it's been It's been terrific having the 16 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: guys here. Coach, what's the focus for you during OTAs 17 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 1: we here coaches say all the time, head coaches in particular, 18 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: well at seven on seven, if you're even doing that, 19 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: you don't have pad zongs that it's come till training camp. 20 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: What's your focus for these guys during OTAs and mini 21 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: at this point. You know, I think it's just you know, 22 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 1: everyone getting a strong knowledge of the offense, the conceptual 23 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: deal and understanding the plays and the different schemes that 24 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,839 Speaker 1: defenses will employ on us. And then obviously the fundamental 25 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: the fundamental footwork and hand placement. Those things are easily 26 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: to be accomplished without having pads on, and you have 27 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: to take advantage of those times now with the differences 28 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: and rule changes and whatnot, and so you don't have 29 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: to be a little creative think out the box and 30 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: create drills and put them in positions to get those 31 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: fundamental behaviors together. Coach, it strikes me that offensive linemen 32 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: might not enjoy that as much as actually hitting other 33 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: human beings. So when they get the camp, they're probably 34 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: a lot more interested well that's probably a bad word, 35 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: but excited about doing that sort of thing. Yeah, I think, 36 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: like you said, I think excited is a better, better 37 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: way off. It's like, wow, we really get to execute 38 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: these things, these drawings and you know, and put things 39 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: to application. It is a lot more fun for lineman 40 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: when it gets to that point. But you know, I mean, hey, 41 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: we're the always said we're mushrooms and just put us 42 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 1: in the dark and feed us growing. And so really 43 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: for Lineman, anything new, it's exciting. So coach two part, 44 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: are you gonna get fine for doing this interview? By 45 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: the way, is that still happening offensive line rooms? Um? 46 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: You know, I I would probably I would say yes. 47 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: I think that's kind of a universal thing. I'm sure 48 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: every time we speak or they speak, you get fine. 49 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: I'm sure coach, when you take on a different role, 50 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: when you come in and you have not maybe seen 51 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: these guys, maybe seen him on TV at some point 52 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: where there's a game on when you're doing work, it's 53 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: maybe on in the background. But do you just jump 54 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: in and watch all sixteen games from last year to 55 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: get a read on everybody or do you just kind 56 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: of leave that in the past because techniques are different, 57 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: schemes different, or how do you attack that when you 58 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: step into that role about getting understanding of what's already 59 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: here and what you need to get better on an 60 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: offensive line? Yeah, you know, that's a that's a really 61 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: good question. I've never been asked that. And uh, you know, 62 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: you do watch all the tape, and um, I think 63 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: if you don't watch the tape. You try not to 64 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: watch the scheme and those things because that can change 65 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: from year to year, but you certainly want to, you know, 66 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: look at the traits of each lineman, get to know them, 67 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: you know, on film, and what they're capable of doing 68 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: at this time. And then also then you can then uh, 69 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: you know, kind of make different drills for individuals. Some 70 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: not every drill is applicable to everybody, So I think 71 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: that's important. But I also think it's important to go 72 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: back and watch all the training camp and the evolution 73 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: of the players. So, uh, for myself, I go all 74 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: the way back to you know, their their training camp, 75 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: watch their drills, what individual periods look like, so I 76 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: can see what they've been taught and what their movements 77 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: are prior to just watching a game. Team offensive line 78 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: coach James Camping with us on Texans Radio. Coach, I've 79 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: asked this question of offensive lineman and coaches, but I 80 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: wanted to get your response. Is this and if it 81 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: is so, why is this the closest position group on 82 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: the team and why is the closeness important on and 83 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 1: off the field with this group? You know, I'm not sure, 84 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a it's a really neat dynamic to 85 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: be a part of a group. You know, as a 86 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: former player, it's a it's a it's it stays with 87 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: you forever. It doesn't really matter what you know. When 88 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: you retire from football, then you know, you know lineman, 89 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: you're oh, he played offensive line, You're obviously Gravitated's just 90 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: like it's a it's an extended family, if you will. 91 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: But you know, I don't know how those dynamics happened. 92 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: I'm glad that I'm a part of it. It's it's 93 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: a neat fraternity to be in, but I'm not so 94 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: sure where where it happened. And I mean the importance 95 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: of it is I think for any dynamics of the 96 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: team is you. You know, you have to lose yourself 97 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: in order to find yourself and the makeup of a team. 98 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: And I think that that just gets accelerated in an 99 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 1: offensive line room, Um, we spend a lot of time 100 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: alone and meetings. Whereas like perimeter, all the perimeter will 101 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: being are watching with the quarterbacks and watching route details 102 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: and things of this nature. We'll have smaller meetings with 103 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: the tight ends or running backs you know, and blocking 104 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: and those things. So I think maybe sometimes that's just 105 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: developed and the fact that we're we are by ourselves frequently. 106 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: You know, how you know you're talking to offensive line 107 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: coach is that they refer to running backs, wide receivers 108 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: and quarterbacks not as skill position but as perimeter players. Stuff. 109 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: You've got that right, Yeah, you know that, coach, How 110 00:05:55,720 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: did your years as a head high school coach help 111 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 1: you become a better professional coach in the future. Tremendous 112 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 1: amount of gratitude that I was able to be a 113 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: head coach at my former high school. And you know, 114 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: I love Pondosa High School, always will And you know, 115 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: I think your patience, you know, everything isn't just going 116 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: to come just because someone is drafted higher or as 117 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: a free agent. Really doesn't matter. The professional athletes, you know, 118 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 1: the expectation is obviously there for them to perform at 119 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: a high level, but it is too in the high 120 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: school level as well. But you get to see players 121 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: that you know, a lot of times a freshman or 122 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: a sophomore guy who who struggles a little bit, all 123 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: of a sudden, he has a gross spurt and all 124 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: of a sudden, now he's a really good player in 125 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: any position. And you guys, oh my goodness, Now, all 126 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: a sudden, he's an All League player when you didn't 127 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: think that he would even be playing the sport. And 128 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: I think so with patience that helps a lot, I 129 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: think in a transition to this level, because you know 130 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: that's all new, it's new for them. The expectation is 131 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: extremely high. But when we're asking them to try different things, 132 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 1: to do different things, when they've had three or four 133 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: years of doing it at college and their high school, 134 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: it can be a little overwhelming at times. I think 135 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: pent patience and understanding is a big help at this level. Coach, 136 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: the first preseason game is at lambeau Field, where you 137 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: spend time as a player and a coach. I'm sure 138 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: it's not your first trip back and you probably don't 139 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: have time for any big reunion or anything. But what's 140 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: that like to go back to lambeau Field for you? Um, actually, 141 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: it will be my first time back, and yes it 142 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: will be so us. It's a special place you know 143 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: there and you know I will see how that goes. 144 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: We're going there for a purpose to to you know, 145 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: win every game that you put your pads on, in 146 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: my opinion, and perform well and take advancements and steps 147 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: towards you know, the season. It's a preseason game, but 148 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: it's competitive and you want to in those and and 149 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: play well. But as far as me personally, I don't. 150 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: I think I'd have to answer that question after I 151 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: don't know. It's it's going to it's going to be different, obviously, 152 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: going from a different locker room. Will you will you 153 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: ride a bike? And did you ride a bike when 154 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: you were a player? Was that around that bike tradition? Yes, 155 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: I did. I had the same kid for five years. 156 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: I sure did. It was very awesome. Yeah, it was 157 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: very interesting. My second year back as a coach, which 158 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: would be there two thousand and five season, I was 159 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: there in two thousand, two thousand and five, a young 160 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: man came up and asked for a picture, and he 161 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: was sitting and you know, we walked down as coaches 162 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: and there was a seglist. Can we take it right 163 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 1: here on this side? I said sure, and I so 164 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 1: he took the picture and his friend took the picture. 165 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 1: What's the significance of this and he said, he handed 166 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 1: me in eight by ten. It was the kid who 167 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: rode I rode his bike and he was he was 168 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: a he just started his first year as gratissistant at 169 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: Wisconsin Whitewater and he wanted to get the picture at 170 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: the same sign all those years back, and then he 171 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: gave me one and we signed each other's pictures. Very cool, 172 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: very neat experience. That's that's really cool. I can imagine 173 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 1: Max Sharping has probably bent your ear a little bit 174 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: having lived in Green Bay and ben a Packers fan. 175 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: But along those lines, coach, I think a lot has 176 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 1: been been made of your career in Green Bay. The 177 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: fact that you don't have a bunch of first round picks. 178 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: You know, David baktr you know TJ. Line, You gotta 179 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: you know, players that were a little bit later around, 180 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: but then you grew and developed them and cultivated their talent. 181 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: What was the key and what is the key to 182 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,559 Speaker 1: getting the most out of your guys, whether their seventh 183 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: round picks or first round picks. What's the key to 184 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: cultivating that talent? Well, I think I think first it's 185 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: the it's you know, it's the environment and the culture. 186 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: And I know that that's what we're striving for here, 187 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: is to create that culture competitiveness, u consistency, being accountable, 188 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: And I think when you have those type of players, 189 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter where they're drafted, to be honest 190 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 1: with you, or how you acquire them. I think once 191 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: they you know, the room has adopted that philosophy, it 192 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: pretty much runs itself, you know. And and I and 193 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: I believe we're on the pace for that here. Um, 194 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 1: with the group we have here and and so. Um, 195 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 1: all those players that you mentioned were very very good players, um, 196 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: you know, but they they had that in factor as 197 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: far as they wanted to work, they wanted to get better. Um, 198 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: you know, you're flat. You got to be flexible. I 199 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: think with players nowadays, I don't believe and everything's a 200 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: cookie cutter sheet to say we're all going to do 201 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: this drill or that drill. I think you have to 202 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: be specific. Once the team is honed down, you know, 203 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: and right now we do a lot of drills that 204 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: are that are similar. Um, you know, footwork and basics. 205 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: You have those basics. But I think, you know, you 206 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: have to step out and allow players as long as 207 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: it's within the structure of the concept of the offense 208 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: and in the belief mechanisms that coach Culley has for us. 209 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: If they fit that, then we can take time to say, hey, look, 210 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: this works better for you than it might work for 211 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: the center player, so let's try it. And so I 212 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: think that the fact that they're open to try those 213 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: things helps all of us. I hate to go retro again, coach, 214 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: but I have one more on Green Band. I just 215 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 1: got to know because I think they were there as 216 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: a player when the Magic Man was at QB and 217 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: then Farv comes in. What was that transition period like 218 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: for you? It was? It was It was very sudden 219 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: and quick, you know, and when Magic got hurt and 220 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: then Brett came in, and um, you know, it's fortunate 221 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 1: enough that I've had snapped the ball to really good quarterbacks. 222 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 1: I mean, he and Brett were excellent quarterbacks. And Brett 223 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: was young, of course, and those are those are interesting stories. 224 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: And you wouldn't have enough time on this pot, on 225 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: this cast to hear all those And I will protect 226 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: my friend Brett and myself from any stories that you know. 227 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: But we had a lot of fun in those days. 228 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: We had. We had a lot of fun. Yes, how's 229 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 1: the transition to Houston going for you? Oh? Very well, 230 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: very well, you know, I you know, the weather is different, obviously, 231 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: you get from extreme cold to extreme heat. But I 232 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: was fortunate enough, you know, and I was with the 233 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: Saints and I played at two lane that I've had 234 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: about five years of this stuff and six years and 235 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: so I don't think you ever get used to extreme 236 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 1: cold or extreme heat. You you learned to adapt and 237 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 1: drink more water. That's probably good thing. We promised. Not 238 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: every winter will be like last winter, but the summer 239 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 1: is consistent. Thanks so much for being with us, and 240 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: nice see you again. Thank you, and Johnny, I really 241 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: liked visiting with James Camping there a guy who played 242 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: in the league, a guy who coached a long time, 243 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:54,839 Speaker 1: and I thought you brought up a really good point 244 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: about his experience at Green Bay and being able to 245 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: get the most out of a line and bok Tri 246 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: what he did with him, what he did with some 247 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: of the other guys. They are protecting Aaron Rodgers. That 248 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: was notable, and now you're hoping that the same level 249 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: of play, or at least improvement from what they were 250 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: to what they can be with the new personnel can happen. Here. 251 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: One of the things that I took out of that 252 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:24,079 Speaker 1: mark and was that coach Camping understands that you don't 253 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:27,839 Speaker 1: coach everybody in the offensive line. Like I thought it 254 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: was funny back in I don't know, March or so. 255 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: We got a note from our PR department saying, look, 256 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: we're calling position groups like this, quarterbacks, running backs, tight ends, 257 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: wide receivers, O line, d line linebackers, defensive backs. That's 258 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: hit this how we're doing them. So we know full 259 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: well that in those groups it's not homogenious. You don't 260 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: teach the same things everybody. There's got to be some 261 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: sort of individualized concept ups that guys within that position group, 262 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: because you've got guys that are purely centers, some guys 263 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: that can be centered guards, some guys that are purely tackles, 264 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: some guys that could play guard and tackle, some guys 265 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: that are incredibly athletic, some guys that are a little 266 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: bit smaller, short little guys are a little bit taller, slower, 267 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: but guys are a little bit quicker. You have to 268 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: be able to individualize the instruction for them. And I 269 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: thought that was one thing that stood out to me 270 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: because I sort of listened to for that when I 271 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: talked to coaches, because one thing that I took out 272 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: of this happened many many years ago, I went to 273 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: a clinic I've told a story, and I listened to 274 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: a coach who was not a coach at a Power 275 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: five school. He was a coach at a group of five, 276 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: and he talked about all the different ways that they 277 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: ran a particular play that they had to be innovative 278 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: about because they didn't have a five star athlete. They 279 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: had a short guard, they had a tall guard, they 280 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: had a slow one, and they ran it three different ways. 281 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: The next day I went to go see a coach 282 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: who had five star talent. He thrown up video of 283 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: what they do in practice, and I'm like, coach, I 284 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: don't have guys that can do that. You can't do that. 285 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: And that coach just couldn't adapt. He just didn't understand, like, well, 286 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: what do you mean. Well, I've got your guy is 287 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: six eight five. My guys six one ninety and he's 288 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: outweighed by fifty pounds. So what do you do when 289 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: that's the case? And there was no answer. But when 290 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: I talked to the coach that had to be innovative, 291 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: I got more out of that, And so I listened 292 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: for that sort of thing in which you don't teach 293 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: them all the same way. You can't you teach the 294 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: certain guys. You know, Larry Tunsel is gonna do things 295 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: different than Titus, and Tits gonna do it different than 296 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: Marcus Cannon. So you give them different techniques and different 297 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: things to make all of them better. And it's the 298 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: way I taught math. The way I taught math Mark 299 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: was I would go in and say, look, this is 300 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: the best way I think you should do it, but 301 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna find the best way. You don't like that way, 302 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: let's try something else. I wanted you as a math teacher. 303 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: I never told mine, never told my kids you had 304 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: to do it this way. Never, never. I never said 305 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: that because all kids were different. They're all different, All 306 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: offensive linemen are different. And the way that James Camping 307 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: approaches it is that this guy's different from this guy. 308 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to teach those two guys differently, yet 309 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: give them the same amount of attention to make them 310 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: get to a level that maybe they didn't think they 311 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: could get to. To me, that's coaching in a nutshell. 312 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: It isn't just okay, great he mentioned it. Great talent, 313 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: great coaches or great coaches are because of great talent, 314 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: and look, there is definitely a slice of truth there. 315 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: But great coaches make good talent great, and that, to 316 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: me is what James Camping has done. And he's done 317 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: a lot of that by understanding that individualization of an 318 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: offensive line. Although it's got to be a tight group, 319 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: approaching each guy into visually is going to help make 320 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: that line collectively much much better. That was what I 321 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 1: took out an interview. I thought he's fantastic, Mark I. 322 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: We got done with the interview and I was Robert 323 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: Prince came right in after that, so we you and 324 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: I didn't get a chance to talk. I loved talking 325 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 1: with both guys, actually, but Camping walked out and I 326 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: was like, I love that guy. I'd love for him 327 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 1: to coach for a long time here because he gets it. 328 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 1: He gets what coaching is supposed to be about. It's 329 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: not about this scheme and that scheme and this and that. 330 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: It's about getting those guys the tools to make them 331 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: better at their job so that collectively they're at they're 332 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: at a rate and a rate of play and a 333 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: performance that we can all be happy with this Texas fans, 334 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 1: and I hope, I hope that's what we get, because 335 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think he just talks a big game, 336 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 1: and he wasn't really even like bragging on himself. Just 337 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: the way that he talked about it and the way 338 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 1: that he'd he put it forth. I just loved it 339 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 1: so much much because that was the way that I 340 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: looked at how you're supposed to instruct and how you're 341 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 1: supposed to teach. Can you believe that he was there 342 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 1: when Don mccowski, Yeah, when that era that that torch 343 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: was passed so quickly to Brett Farve at Green Bay 344 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: and I was surprised. Yeah, he'd never been back to 345 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 1: Lambeau and the preseason games coming up, so this is 346 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 1: gonna be awesome for him to return to Lambeau. And 347 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,479 Speaker 1: we got a couple of little nuggets there on his 348 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: bike experience at training camp. So obviously we're gonna revisit 349 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: that when we get closer to training camp. Because not 350 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: to an exclusive ladies and gentlemen, But the other thing 351 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: about the old line that I find interesting, and this 352 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: is a conversation for another day. When I got to 353 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 1: you Mass, the head coach there was Mike Hodges and 354 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: he played at Maine like back in the sixties and 355 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: Johnny he couldn't have been more I don't know what 356 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: his playing with it was. It couldn't have been more 357 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: than like one eighty I'm serious. Now, Maine was a 358 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 1: smaller school then, but the old lineman even at bigger 359 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: schools then, they were not that big. They were two 360 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: to twenty right, sixties fifties. It was a different kind 361 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: of position. Really, I would hesitate to say more athletic, 362 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: because these guys are really good athletes, even though the 363 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: three hundred pounds ish. But what about that part of it? 364 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: The way the game used to be played versus now, 365 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 1: you didn't have as much gap running. Probably then you 366 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 1: had a little bit more movement up front as far 367 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 1: as going side to side doing some of the zone 368 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 1: type stuff. Well, absolutely, And then one other thing about 369 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 1: that particular era is you probably had those guys going 370 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 1: both ways too, and you know that was part of it. 371 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: I think. I think one of the things I don't 372 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: want to sound like old guy, get off the porch, 373 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: but we talk about it now because it's such a 374 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: big part of the trenches, and that is is is 375 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: your hands the ability in the way you know, the 376 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: NFL allowing offensive linement to use their hands. You're starting 377 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy eight. You know, we talk all about 378 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 1: mal blunt rule and open a passing game, but it 379 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: also allowed offensive lineman to use their hands as opposed 380 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: to keep in their hands in by their chest and 381 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 1: kind of blocking with chicken wings. They could use their 382 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 1: hands and do some things. I think that changed techniques 383 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 1: for offensive linemen going forward, and for better or worse. 384 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I think there have been some good parts 385 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: about it. I think there have been some bad parts. 386 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 1: I think there's some guys that can get kind of 387 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: lazy because they've got big, strong hands and they can 388 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: control guys doing that way, whereas back like you were saying, 389 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: when guys were lighter, but they had to do with 390 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: their footwork, they had to do with their quickness, and 391 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: they had to do, you know, a few different things 392 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: to be successful up front. But you talk about an 393 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: athletic group, and it's fine pointed out because I do 394 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: this too. I've cut myself one time saying this because 395 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 1: I used to when I was the head coach, I 396 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: would cutch the offensive line and I remember talking about 397 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 1: the skill players and I looked over at one of 398 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: my players and he'd play for me a junior high 399 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:58,159 Speaker 1: and he had been with me for three years. This 400 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: kid have been around me forever, and he kind of 401 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: looked he knew he could do this. He kind of 402 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: looked at me and he had his look and I 403 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 1: was like what And he goes, why are they skill players? 404 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: And where not? And I was like, I was like, 405 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 1: what do you want me to call him? He goes 406 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: call him outside guys or something else. So I've taken 407 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: a call him perimeter guys because the guys inside are 408 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: just as skilled, They're just bigger and do different things. 409 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: So I thought it was so funny when he brought 410 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: that up, and I think he loved the fact that 411 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: I caught that because he said primimeter players. Was like, ah, yes, 412 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: But I really look forward to what he's able to do. Mark. 413 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 1: I think, and I listened to a little bit of 414 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 1: the press or later on, I think it's gonna be 415 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: really interesting what that five is gonna be upfront. Yeah, 416 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 1: how it's situated. You think there might be a couple 417 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 1: of surprises there, even with health. Yeah, well I don't. 418 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 1: I don't know about personnel, Like it might be the 419 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,360 Speaker 1: five guys we're thinking of right, but they just met, 420 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 1: they might be configured differently, Okay, So I'm very very 421 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: curious to see how that plays out. And of course 422 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: you say, you say this a lot, and you're dead on. 423 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 1: Sometimes injuries, sometimes certain situations kind of play themselves out, 424 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: and you know, you're sort of kind of forced into 425 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: a particular situation because of how all that stuff goes. 426 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: But if all things, you know, all guys stay relatively healthy, 427 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: it's gonna be really interesting to watch that offensive line group. 428 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: It's got more depth than than I can remember. But 429 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: how they're gonna put it together. They're either gonna be 430 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: some free agents that have got some pelts up on 431 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 1: the wall because they've played a lot in the league, 432 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: or some early round draft picks that are either a 433 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,360 Speaker 1: not gonna find themselves in that top five, or in 434 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 1: some cases, because they aren't in that top five, they 435 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: may be in fighting for a roster spot at that point. 436 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: So it's gonna be really interesting to watch that group 437 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: come together during training camp, and I can't wait to 438 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: see it all happen. It's going to be really interesting. 439 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: But I love the fact that James Camping is this 440 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 1: team's offense line coach. Love it another interesting thing. Look, 441 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: I know that we have fewer padded practices than ever. 442 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: They don't have to use them all. It'll be really 443 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: telling to see Coach Cully as the season goes on, 444 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: how much padded work they do, how much he thinks 445 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 1: they need. Look, we said it last week with the 446 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: running backs. You know, you gotta know what you have. 447 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: You know, these are veteran guys, so you don't want 448 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: to wear them out, you don't want to overuse them. 449 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: But you got to know who's got the juice to 450 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 1: go for twenty twenty one to get you out of 451 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: the gate fast, that kind of thing. And speaking of 452 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 1: that kind of thing, you and I are going to 453 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: catch up with Philip Lindsay tomorrow, so I'm looking forward 454 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 1: to that conversation. All right, Coming up, we've got the 455 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 1: Tuesday night sensation that's sweeping the nation, at least in 456 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: our minds. It's Who's Better? And we've got a little 457 00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: position group stuff here. I have vintage quarterback versus current back. 458 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: I've got head coach stuff and a whole bunch of 459 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: other things. So stick around. Who's Better is coming up 460 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: on Texans Radio. Mark Vanderman and John Harris with you 461 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: Tuesday night, we play Who's better? Johnny? Are you ready? 462 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: Of course, let's go all right, who's better? Sometimes it's 463 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,959 Speaker 1: what's better or whatever. We adjust it as we go, 464 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: But who's better? In this way? Who is the better connected? 465 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: In terms of tightness? The tighter position group? We have 466 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 1: this debate so often. We brought it up with James 467 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: campin O line? Are they the tightest position group? We 468 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: kind of agree on that, but is there really a 469 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: competitor to this? Are the defensive backs maybe as tight 470 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: as the old lineman? And is there any other position 471 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: group that can possibly sneak in here? I know it 472 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: varies from team to team, but we do have averages, 473 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 1: if you will, in the league. So who's better O 474 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: line or D line in terms of tight position group? 475 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: I think dB rather. I think the old line is 476 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 1: got to be. They all rely on one another. Now 477 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: it's not to say that defensive backs don't rely on 478 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: one another, but you think Dion Sanders cared that Darren 479 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: Woodson was in zone coverage or man that he didn't 480 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: care because he was gonna go lock down his side. 481 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: Darrell Reeves when he got on the island, you think 482 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: he cared about what the safeties are doing behind him. No, 483 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: he locked his dude up, became them all over the 484 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,360 Speaker 1: field and away you go. Now, if you play, if 485 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: you play a lot of zone, there is a ton 486 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 1: of communication that goes with playing zone. But sometimes that 487 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: communication is happening with linebackers, not just with defensive backs. 488 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: So the defensive backs they loved to and having been 489 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: one of them, I know how this goes. You talk about, yeah, 490 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: we're a tight group, we're t Nobody compares the offensive line. 491 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 1: I mean the fact that coach Campin said does he's 492 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: getting fined for doing that radio interview, That should tell 493 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:57,239 Speaker 1: you something. The defensive backs they're more about, you know, 494 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: swag and flashy and stuff like that. Of the lineman don't. 495 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 1: They're not living that way unless they're a Tennessee Titan, 496 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: and then it's a whole different ball game. But point being, 497 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: the defensive backs, they tend to rely on linebackers or 498 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,360 Speaker 1: they'll go out and live on islands on their own. 499 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 1: So the tightest group out in the field has got 500 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: to be the offensive line for sure. Well, our Kehoe, 501 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: the old old line coach at the University of Miami, 502 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: told me it's not like an old lineman, can go 503 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 1: be a running back or play linebacker, or I'm gonna 504 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 1: play corner or a wide receiver. This is the last 505 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: house on the left. If you're not hanging onto the 506 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: team as an old lineman, you're off the team. There's 507 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: nowhere else to go. And that sort of keeps them 508 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: together in itself. I thought that was pretty cool. All right, Johnny, 509 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 1: this is a good one. Vintage coach? Are you ready? 510 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: Who's better? Joe Gibbs or Bill Parcels? Oh, this is 511 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,120 Speaker 1: a good one. This is a good one. Parcels two 512 00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: Super Bowl wins, Gibbs three with three different quarterbacks. Right, 513 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 1: Gibbs horrendous loss in the Super Bowl to the Raiders 514 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: and the follow up encore performance when they beat the 515 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: Dolphins in his first one. So they couldn't win back 516 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: to back with thisman. Parcels, Sam's hostetler two Super Bowl 517 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: wins brought the Jets to the AFC Championship Game. What 518 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 1: a couple of years after Rich code type went one 519 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 1: of fifteen there resurrected the Cowboys but was unable to 520 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: take them past the divisional round. Johnny, Who's better? Vintage coach? Parcels? 521 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 1: Or Gibbs they are so similar, so similar, I mean retirements, 522 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: and then they come back to the game. It's I 523 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 1: mean winning championships. One was innovative defensively, one was innovative offensively. 524 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: I gosh, it's it's so incredibly hard to think. What 525 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: if I had to win one game, just one game, 526 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: I think I would take Parcels. I think I would 527 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: take parcel Listen, Doug Williams, Joe Gibbson, Mark Rippin, what 528 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: else did he do in this league? Yeah, but I 529 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:17,640 Speaker 1: think in a one game situation, chip chips stacked stacked 530 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: against him. I feel like Parcels would have found a 531 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 1: way to gut out a win. Parcels would have been 532 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 1: okay winning a game fifteen thirteen like he did in 533 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: the NFC Championship game. Yeah, Parcels was the one who 534 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: came up with the fake punt in that nineteen ninety 535 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: NFC Championship when they needed to steal a possession. He 536 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: there was a and let's saying Gibson coached win, but 537 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: Parcels was going to do anything it took to win 538 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: that particular type of game. Gibbson it kind of felt 539 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: like there was a Formula to how the Redskins were 540 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: going to win games. The artist Formula noticed the Redskins. 541 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say pars Cells, but it is so cool. 542 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna say Bill Walsh, and I was. 543 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: I was even like, WHOA. That makes it even harder. 544 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: I think a funny thing about watching a lot of 545 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: documentaries is how the coaches in the NFC East, Gibbs 546 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: and Parcels in particular, didn't like hearing a lot of 547 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: what was going on out in San Francisco. They did 548 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: not like to hear how great the forty nine ers 549 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: were and how great Walsh was. I don't want to 550 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: call it envy, but man, they did not like to 551 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: hear the King, as they called him, Bill Walsh, receiving 552 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: all the pub that he did. I think in a 553 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: one game situation, I'm taking Parcels. I think over the 554 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: course of a year, if I've got to spend all 555 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: that time with the guy, I think I would take 556 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: Joe Gibbs levelheaded it for an entire year. Parcels for 557 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: an entire year would be very tough to deal with. 558 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: I think Gibbs just as tough, but I think Parcels 559 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: would be a very would be tougher from that standpoint. 560 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 1: So to win one game, Parcels, I don't think to 561 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: me as any question over the course of a season, 562 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: I think I would want Gibbs on my side, all right, Johnny, 563 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: who makes a better head coach an offensive coordinator or 564 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator. Now Gibbs was an offensive guy, Parcels 565 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: a defensive guy. Obviously, Parcels could eventually coach anything. Same 566 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: with Belichick, who was a defensive guy. Right, But I'm 567 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: I'm kind of stacking it here because we sometimes assume offense. Baby, 568 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: you know you need offense. You gotta you gotta win 569 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: with offense this league. Well, the greatest coach of all 570 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: time might be Belichick, who is a defensive guy. Now, 571 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: Lombardi was an offensive guy, right, but he's Lombardi and 572 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: it was a long time ago. So Parcels defensive guy, 573 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: Pete Carroll defensive guy. So you lay in on this, please, 574 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: here's the easy answer. The coordinator that has spent years 575 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: on the other side of the ball. Now, you don't 576 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: find a lot of those guys. You don't find a 577 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: lot of guys that spent five years coaching offense. And 578 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: then at some point they get moved around and they 579 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: go coach defense and then they learn that way. But 580 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now to know it's funny because 581 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: you know I talked about this. I listened to the 582 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: I think it was Robert Sala who talked about this. 583 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: The Sean mcvaigh talked about this, and he said they 584 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 1: were asked about advice for young coaches, and I think 585 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: it was McVeagh who said on the podcast, if you 586 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: want to learn about offensive football, go coach defense for 587 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: a year or two and vice versa, because you start 588 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: learning about what teams are scared of. And I also 589 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: heard I heard this on a podcast by a high 590 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: school coach name is coach Vast, and he was talking 591 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: about the same thing. Said, I was a defensive coach 592 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: trying to figure out, you know, how to stop a 593 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: particular offense. I went and got their playbook. And when 594 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: I went and got their playbook and looked at it, 595 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: they had a special section for things that they had 596 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: to do if they saw a particular defense. And so 597 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: it's like, the more you know about that other side 598 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: of the ball, if you've coached on that side of 599 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: the ball, you know what you're looking for. So in 600 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: my career, I started a coaching defense because I played 601 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: defense in college. I coached defense, and then when I 602 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 1: took the head coaching job, I went to call in place. Well, 603 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: I knew what the defense was gonna do. I knew 604 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: on an option play, I knew who had what how 605 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: they're gonna do it, so we would block in a 606 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: particular way because I had that experience. To me, the 607 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: best head coach is a coordinator who has spent time 608 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: on the other side of the ball, because at that point, 609 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 1: when you have that understanding of what that other unit 610 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: is doing and vice versa, you can end up being 611 00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: I think a whale of a head coach down the 612 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: especially if you're gonna be one that calls plays that 613 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: some guys are just like Kyle Shanni and they just 614 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: learn offense and they just they go at it. They 615 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: just understand it, and they're gonna end up being great 616 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: call in places. The majority of guys end up being 617 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: really good. I think have a thorough knowledge of both 618 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: sides of the ball. And if you spent time on 619 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: one side, but then you coordinate on the other, I 620 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: think it makes you that much better down the road. 621 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: Shanahan one winning season out of four years now that 622 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: I'm counting, and we'll see how that goes for him. Now, 623 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: Demko is the defensive coordinator in San Francisco, so we'll 624 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: be monitoring his progress there. Geez, this might bleed into 625 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: the next segment, but let me try it anyway. Vintage 626 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 1: quarterback Johnny versus a current quarterback who might be a 627 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: vintage quarterback sooner rather than later. That would be Aaron Rodgers. 628 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: Who's better Johnny? Aaron Rodgers or John Elway? Aaron Rodgers 629 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: or John Elway. I'm not gonna just count super bowls here, 630 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: although I could, but I'm also going to think about, 631 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: you know, who's actually playing the position, the mechanics of it. 632 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: You can't throw out numbers that much because the eras 633 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: have changed, the rules have changed. We know if you 634 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: look at Elway's numbers, it's like, all right, whatever, But 635 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: we all saw him play and saw what he did 636 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 1: on a football field. Who's better? Aaron Rodgers is the 637 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 1: best thrower of the football I've ever seen. And I 638 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: know that's not what playing quarterback is really all about, 639 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: but I just feel like, from a from a quarterback standpoint, 640 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: I mean, Lway to me was the guy with the 641 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: ninety eight ninety. You know, Lway was Randy Johnson. And 642 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: you know, it took Randy Johnson a little while to 643 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 1: kind of corral all the skills to be you know, 644 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: the big unit what he what he turned into. It 645 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 1: took him a little while to do that. I think 646 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,480 Speaker 1: Elway it took a little while to do that. Once 647 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers got on the field in two thousand and eight, 648 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 1: you saw it right away, and he had every pitch 649 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,319 Speaker 1: in the arsenal. He could throw two seam, four seam. Fact, 650 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 1: he had everything in the art you were looking for. 651 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: And it didn't take that long for him to get 652 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: up to you know, to top speed if you will, 653 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,359 Speaker 1: to meet Aaron Rodgers. Now, I didn't see Elway. I'm 654 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: trying to think if I did. I don't remember ever 655 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:16,399 Speaker 1: seeing Lway live. But of the quarterbacks, and we've seen them, 656 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: all of the quarterbacks that I've seen throw the ball live, 657 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,760 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is the best I've ever seen. I remember 658 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: standing down by the goal line at practice when we 659 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,760 Speaker 1: were in Green Bay and he threw a wheel route 660 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: to Dan Vitality, the fullback, And I'm why I'm kind 661 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 1: of seeing things develop and I see Rogers throw the 662 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: ball and I'm telling you, Abody, I think he's coming 663 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,439 Speaker 1: right at me. And I'm like, why is it doing 664 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:45,360 Speaker 1: this to me? And I watched Vitality run and just 665 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 1: run right under it and catch it for a touchdown, 666 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 1: and I'm like, wow, how did he How did he 667 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: see that? It was interesting on the podcast listening to 668 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: the Floor talk about Aaron Rodgers and what he sees 669 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,880 Speaker 1: and what he knows and what he can do, but 670 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: physically throwing the football, to me, nobody has done it 671 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: like Aaron Rodgers. Nobody, Okay, I mean always accomplished war 672 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: with five Super Bowl appearances and two wins. It's not 673 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,320 Speaker 1: all about that. The two wins were heavily run oriented 674 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,839 Speaker 1: teams and all of that. I think getting to those 675 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: first three gets overlooked sometimes when you evaluate him as 676 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 1: a quarterback. But I know it's not just about that, 677 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:28,359 Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people agree with you. 678 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 1: All right. Next up around the league, we go plus 679 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,839 Speaker 1: got Away in a couple of behind the blue loot things, 680 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:39,800 Speaker 1: including the big fight and what went down at the 681 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 1: Memorial this past weekend. It's Texans Radio. Great to have 682 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 1: you listening tonight, Mark Vandermain, John Harris with you all right, 683 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 1: packers have many camp but Roger's not there. I know 684 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: it's a big story. The media is going to put 685 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: it out. There's a big story. No one is surprised, right, Johnny, 686 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 1: you're not surprised. I wasn't surprised. I didn't expect him 687 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 1: to show up. I would hope at some point. And 688 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,800 Speaker 1: I know that they've flown out to Hawaii or wherever 689 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,799 Speaker 1: he is, and they've tried to meet with him, sit 690 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,320 Speaker 1: with him and try and work this out. I don't 691 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 1: I don't know how it's gonna get worked out. Maybe 692 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,399 Speaker 1: they'll give you one more shot, but I don't know, Mark, 693 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,799 Speaker 1: this is I mean, obviously we've got our own situation 694 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 1: here that's got to take you know, so you know 695 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 1: the whole you know, stones and glass houses, all that 696 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:27,879 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. You know, I don't want to get into. 697 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 1: But I just don't know how you fix it. I 698 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,080 Speaker 1: mean I do, but I don't think it's going to 699 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,320 Speaker 1: be something that's amenable to the Packers to be able 700 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: to fix it. So somebody is gonna have to yield. 701 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 1: And I don't see Aaron Rodgers. I mean, I don't 702 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 1: see that happening at all. And I don't know at 703 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: this point if they're if the Packers are going to 704 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 1: be the one that yields and say, yeah, okay, we'll 705 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 1: trade you. I don't, I don't. I just don't know 706 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: where this one goes. But I would love to see 707 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: him get back in camp. I think it's Packer football 708 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 1: is way more phoneman Aaron Rodgers is around, But I 709 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,279 Speaker 1: just don't know how they fix this one, Mark, I 710 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,360 Speaker 1: really don't you know why the NFL is so concerned 711 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 1: about trying to get the game better all the time, 712 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,799 Speaker 1: more marketable, changing it up just a little bit here 713 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 1: and there. I know some of the purists don't like 714 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,760 Speaker 1: some of the changes, but they always want to get better. 715 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,359 Speaker 1: It's staring you're right in the face when you look 716 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,439 Speaker 1: at what happens Sunday night with boxing, and I'll put 717 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,799 Speaker 1: that in air quotes. When you have Floyd Mayweather and 718 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 1: Logan Paul go at it. It's the biggest fight we've 719 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 1: all heard of in a long time. I know we 720 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,320 Speaker 1: had a year of COVID, but it was big because 721 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,800 Speaker 1: it draws attention. You have a retired boxer really and 722 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 1: you have a YouTube guy who's in great shape and 723 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,840 Speaker 1: all that, and that becomes a marquee event in your sport. 724 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,759 Speaker 1: This is one of the reasons, because this is a 725 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 1: great sport boxing, Johnny, It was a great sport. Now, 726 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,840 Speaker 1: it might have been a hundred years ago almost that 727 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,239 Speaker 1: it was a great sport. It was still great in 728 00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,399 Speaker 1: the seventies with Ali and everything. We had some good 729 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,719 Speaker 1: fights even in the eighties and nineties, but it's just 730 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,399 Speaker 1: died down over the years. And I think a big 731 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 1: reason why UFC is so popular is because it's a 732 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 1: single entity controlling things, so you have a lot of uniformity, 733 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 1: and therefore they can market properly and promote properly. Boxing's 734 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 1: all over the place with all these different organizations that 735 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 1: handle it, and I think it's just ruined that great sport. 736 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 1: I know it's still available, it's still on, it's still 737 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,320 Speaker 1: out there. You still have a heavyweight champion of the world. 738 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,839 Speaker 1: No one knows who it is, but you still have it. Yeah, 739 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 1: I don't even know who it is at this point. Now, 740 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: who knows? Come on, I have no idea. It has 741 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 1: to be a huge deal. In the mid to late 742 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 1: seventies and early eighties, you absolutely knew who it was. 743 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,240 Speaker 1: Onto the nineties, you knew without a shadow of a doubt. 744 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:49,160 Speaker 1: You remember when George Foreman knocked out Michael Moore and 745 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,399 Speaker 1: Foreman became the heavyweight champion in the the world. I mean 746 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 1: that meant something. What boxing needs is a dynamic Mike 747 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 1: Tyson to come back. Now, I'm not talking about what 748 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,400 Speaker 1: happened in Indianapolis, so tell them all that kind of nonsense. 749 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:09,399 Speaker 1: I'm talking about a guy of that panache. I mean 750 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 1: what he had. That's what boxing needs. They need a 751 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 1: guy like that that just steps in the ring, knocks 752 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 1: dudes out. His bouch go viral everybody, it's must see, 753 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 1: and he grows to that stature. That's what boxing needs. 754 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,879 Speaker 1: They need just one they just one guy like that, 755 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: not a YouTuber, not retired boxers. They need a young 756 00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 1: dude heavyweight that just knocks fools out, because then you 757 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 1: just get to a point where somebody's sitting there going, hey, 758 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,680 Speaker 1: wait a second, I want to take that guy on. 759 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:44,719 Speaker 1: I want to build up and I want to fight 760 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 1: that guy, and all of a sudden, may mean there's 761 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,800 Speaker 1: a rivalry in boxing. You just need one guy to 762 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,719 Speaker 1: kind of break the seal. And right now there's not 763 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,319 Speaker 1: a boxer right now where I go, you know what, 764 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,440 Speaker 1: I want to see that guy fight. But back in 765 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,400 Speaker 1: the eighties and nineties, anybody in a welterweight division, anybody 766 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,719 Speaker 1: in a heavyweight division. I didn't miss those fights ever. 767 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,520 Speaker 1: Ever now I couldn't care less, really, and that's a 768 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,600 Speaker 1: sad thing. I mean, Ali on the cover of Time magazine. 769 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,279 Speaker 1: I don't know how many times in his life. And 770 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,440 Speaker 1: you know, look, I guess it's unfair to bring up 771 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 1: the greatest ever. I know that his record isn't the 772 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 1: greatest ever, but he was the greatest. I think in 773 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,239 Speaker 1: part because of his comebacks, right, not being able to 774 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 1: even participate in the sport for so many years and 775 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,200 Speaker 1: then coming back in the battles with Frazier and you know, 776 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,440 Speaker 1: the wins, the loss is all of it, waiting for 777 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 1: Foreman's hand to heal, rumble in the jungle, all of 778 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,719 Speaker 1: it just great stuff. And the sport has changed. One 779 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,560 Speaker 1: other thing I wanted to hit on was at the 780 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 1: memorial when John rom came off the eighteenth in round 781 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,240 Speaker 1: three and they told him he tested positive for COVID. Johnny, 782 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 1: why aren't they telling him on the course. I mean, 783 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 1: this is another thing. Look, I know that it's frustrating, 784 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 1: but this league, you test positive, you're gone before you 785 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,239 Speaker 1: can infect anybody. You get a positive test, they would 786 00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,399 Speaker 1: pull you off on first and ten, second and three 787 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 1: whatever because and it wouldn't come to that. But the 788 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,839 Speaker 1: point is this, If it's all about safety, why are 789 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,520 Speaker 1: you letting him stay on the course. He could have 790 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,480 Speaker 1: signed a glove for a fan. He was fist bumping 791 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,799 Speaker 1: on eighteen after the big great round. Come on, get 792 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:17,680 Speaker 1: it right people. I was floored. I was floored. I'm 793 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,680 Speaker 1: like they waited all that time for him to come 794 00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 1: off of eighteen. Yeah, it wasn't that long because I 795 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,080 Speaker 1: guess it was like on the whole itself, or they 796 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 1: claimed they found out. You gotta go get him. You 797 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 1: gotta say sorry, we're stopping it right now. You can't say, oh, 798 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 1: we'll wait till he finishes the round. Why why anyway, 799 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 1: It doesn't help anybody. If it's all about safety, you 800 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,719 Speaker 1: gotta make your move right there. So and why is 801 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 1: he not vaccinated? No offense, But I thought he got 802 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,759 Speaker 1: his first or something, but he wasn't fully so, I mean, yeah, 803 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,399 Speaker 1: and that's another thing. I get it. If you don't 804 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,239 Speaker 1: want the vaccine, you don't want the vaccine, But if 805 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,360 Speaker 1: you do want it, get it. Three months ago anyway, Johnny, 806 00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,319 Speaker 1: thanks so much for being with us tomorrow. Look forward 807 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,799 Speaker 1: to Philip Lindsay being on the show John McLean on Thursday. 808 00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,160 Speaker 1: Have a great night everyone, and go Texans.