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Speaker 1: creator of the brilliant, brilliant, brilliant series Every single word. Guys,

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Speaker 1: were like, all right, let's just sue. He were like, yeah,

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00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: let's just watch the original sound of music because Matt's

420
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 1: never seen it. We put it on. Matt falls asleep

421
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: within the first thirty minutes. I think it was adrenaline

422
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: because I was so excited to see the Carry version

423
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 1: and that when that didn't have of a life By carry,

424
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, did you guys hear um? So

425
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: there was all that kind of back and forth between

426
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,640
Speaker 1: fans and like people in the know, like should there

427
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 1: be a live audience for these live musicals or not?

428
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 1: And now they have made the decision. There will be

429
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 1: hair sprayed, there will I think for both there's going

430
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 1: to be a live audience for what He didn't they

431
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: learn from Legally Blonde when they aired it on MTV,

432
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: which was like totally fine and great, but it was

433
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: much better than what what they're doing that it's so awkward,

434
00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: those silent moments. I was pro no audience because until

435
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: until I saw it, because I was like, well, the

436
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: thing is like you wanted them, you want everyone at

437
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: home to see the show, But then it is it's

438
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: it's more but it's like half movie, half show, right, No,

439
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 1: I I'm it feels it feels a little too. It

440
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 1: feels a little too mid century or even like before that,

441
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: it's like, oh like when it was all on a

442
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: sound stage. No, I've come around on this did be

443
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 1: like Greece, is that dynamic enough for you? One over

444
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 1: Lemonade at the Emmys? That was bizarre tragedy because how

445
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: different were they? I think that that was Yeah, I

446
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: was directed by the guy who directed Hamlet, right right,

447
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: right right. I didn't like Greece life because you were

448
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: because I was just just disengaged and I was tired,

449
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: and um yeah, and I was you know what. I

450
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 1: was with my friend Matteo and my friend Amanda, and

451
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: we were both just like you know what, we were

452
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: just we were just going into it being like dour

453
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: And that's probably like unfair. Yeah, that absolutely is unfair.

454
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: And it's absolutely why you didn't die because it was

455
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: perfectly That might be a comment on our viewing practices, now,

456
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: well this is It's so it's interesting to me because

457
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 1: like whenever anyone has anything negative to say about these

458
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 1: live musicals, I there's something about me that's like, come on, man,

459
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: like they're trying so hard, Like people had all this,

460
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: Henry had all this negative ship to say about Queen Latifa,

461
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: and I was like, the woman's doing like a live musical.

462
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 1: She's like performing, this is like kids like Whiz. I

463
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: was just like nah, I was like, I think that

464
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: this is really fun and like also like we all

465
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: collectively felt that about the Whiz specifically because it was

466
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: like really cool to just see an all black cat. Absolutely,

467
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: but then I will go in on Peter pan Oh, yeah,

468
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 1: for sure, for sure. And that's the thing is that

469
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: I've I've come into this with a preconceived notion that

470
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 1: these are gonna be failures because the first two were bad,

471
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: and so the WIDS was st refreshing because it was

472
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 1: good and Dana Owens, I'm really excited for Harris has awesome.

473
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: Did you see it on? You ever see it live? Yes?

474
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: And I, in fact, Joe Firestone and I went and

475
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: do you know the Muni in St. Louis of course,

476
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: so we went to see it at them. It was incredible.

477
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: That's great college days, college days, that's a good I

478
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: got funnel cake fried funnel cake fries. Oh my god,

479
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: Please describe what Okay, not merely as good as you

480
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: would imagine, but basically so imagine funnel o cake put

481
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: it into rectangles like like little strips of strips deep fried,

482
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: double deep fried, and then the dipping sauce. Okay, you're

483
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: you're thinking French fries. You're thinking catchup, right, catch up

484
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: out put in frosty anyway, So I sat and ate

485
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: many orders of that. Well, Joe and I watched hair

486
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: Spray Live phenomenal, but yeah, I love hair Spray. Yeah,

487
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: that's like, that's gonna be fun. I think Rocky is

488
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: gonna be great too, Rocky Rocky all on the whole

489
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: has I think a weaker cast than um hair Spray does,

490
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: Like it's like Victoria Justice. Sure, I mean hair Spray.

491
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: You got Ariana Grandee. I think Ariana Grande is going

492
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: to be so good. It's gonna be great. It's gonna

493
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: be good. But the star is Tracy turn Blood, so

494
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see what she does. Yeah, I

495
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: think she's gonna be great. I really do. Star is

496
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: gonna be Tracy and it's that new girl. It's always

497
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: a New Discovery introduction. Um, yes, guys, should we move

498
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: on to our topic. Yeah, let's move on to our

499
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: topic at hand, which the title of this episode is

500
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: the issues at hand. Guys, we're gonna be kind of

501
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: taking a little bit of a break until November, so

502
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: it's going to be right before the election that we

503
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: get back together. So there's been so much fucking garbage

504
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: going on, a lot of garbage, and I know that

505
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: your job is seriously like like entails that you tackle

506
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: a lot of this garbage. Um, how do you how

507
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: do how do you approach it with like the the

508
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: amount of levity that is required of your tone of

509
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: voice for the whole for the whole site or for

510
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: the whole um, you know, channel like that must be,

511
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: that must be. I think the way I always think

512
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: about it is that these are like the hardest issues

513
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: to talk about, but you have to make it accessible

514
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: for people. And I've come, I've like worked in many

515
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: worlds and existed in many worlds where it's had to

516
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: where we're like the way you talk to someone who's

517
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: like to teach them when it's very dry and it's

518
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: very didactic, exactly that's the perfect word, and it's too didactic.

519
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: And then but like if you like go in, if

520
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: you kind of punch them in the gut, like with

521
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: a wrench or like that's that's what you punch them

522
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: with a wrench and the gut. That's like the wrong metaphor. Um.

523
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: But I the imagery I mean is like, um, you

524
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: kind of like the anesthesia is comedy, and then the

525
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: you perform the surgery. That's how I see, Yeah, of course.

526
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: And and it's like the way you get people to

527
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: listen and then once you disarm them, then you can

528
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: sit them down. I mean, I think what I've learned

529
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: from doing work on the internet is no matter how

530
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: no matter what you say, no matter how you carefully

531
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: say it, people are going to disagree with you. Disagreement

532
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: I love, but people are going to be um deeply

533
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: offended by what you say. And I say, um, you

534
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: know who the people who I'm offending are mostly like

535
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: straight white men. Yeah yeah, yeah, so um that's yeah.

536
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: But but I how do I deal with it? I

537
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, I just think it's like all

538
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: of these waves were riding and he's turn off at

539
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: some point. I want to know, because you know, we

540
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: spoke with was it Nicole Silverberg? We talked about this

541
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: with She writes for g Q, and sometimes she'll get

542
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: a lot of aggression. Um, I would imagine you get

543
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: a lot of aggression towards you. Dylan and I have

544
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: talked about this in private because I had a day

545
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: and it was it is I remember. But you know

546
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: what compared to what Dylan gets gets, you know, Dylan

547
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: gets projectile, crazy, crazy things, which is why I ask,

548
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: I want to know, does it doesn't hurt your feelings? Um?

549
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: I think it? You at first, it did? Right at first,

550
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, you want me to die? You know, like, uh,

551
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: I do this unboxing series and one person sent me

552
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: a message just today that said you should unbox your

553
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: own suicide. And but but so when you first get that,

554
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: it's like I won't get out of bed, you know,

555
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: and then you just become numb to it because but

556
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,959
Speaker 1: that's not what but but but but what I mean

557
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: is like, and I say this all the time, it's

558
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: like the day that a collective of women of color

559
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: is like, you have deeply offended us, I'll be like

560
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: I'm doing something wrong for sure, you know. And then

561
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: but but it's like if you follow all of these

562
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: people back to their profiles, they have swastikas and they're

563
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: calling themselves openly white nationalists. So it's like so you

564
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: know what it's like, I'm like, I'm not I'm not

565
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: mourning the laws. It hurts you're not a fan, I'm losing.

566
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: It hurts your feelings at first because it's hurtful language.

567
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: And then you walk it back in and you say, oh,

568
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: this person is has their own disease, and so therefore,

569
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,439
Speaker 1: you know what am I going to do? Stop doing

570
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 1: my work? And that's why, like you do have to

571
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 1: just let it roll off your back, I guess, because

572
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 1: what are you What else is that? What are the

573
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,959
Speaker 1: other options? There's there? Yeah, there's no other option because

574
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: you're not going to teach them, you know, And I mean,

575
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 1: I do think it is important to know that these

576
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: people are people. And I mean this in in the

577
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 1: like way of radical acceptance, like I would never even

578
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: think about the things that they write to me. But

579
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: that being said, you follow them back and they're just

580
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 1: like this high school boy who is I mean by

581
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: follow them back, I don't mean follow them back. You

582
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: see what their profile is and you're like, oh, you're

583
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: just a high school boy, like just figuring it out,

584
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: like what a disservice this world has done to you?

585
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: You know that that like you think that when you

586
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: see someone who doesn't look like you express opinions that

587
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: challenge your worldview, that they need to die, and you

588
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: see this all around like like we grew up. I

589
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: don't want to lose sight of the fact that we

590
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:46,240
Speaker 1: were growing up at a time when Eminem was the biggest,

591
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 1: biggest dealt and the havoc that Eminem rot for queer

592
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: boys growing up, and we ignore that now because because

593
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: the Internet wasn't around then the way it is now

594
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,439
Speaker 1: to have like what I wouldn't have, what I would

595
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 1: give to have read a think piece in seventh grade

596
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: being like Eminem is bad for teenage boys, even if

597
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: I saw people pile up on that, and teenage boys

598
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: be like, oh stupid, stupid, like just to know that

599
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: that thought exists, but you're so alone, you know. That's

600
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: one of the most hurtful things to look back on

601
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: my adolescens and know that he was so pervasive and

602
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: and he got away with so much blatant, violent homophobia

603
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:42,439
Speaker 1: and also the cover of his album was his dead

604
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: wife's body in his trunk And do you do I

605
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: remember I bought I bought the Eminem Show album. I

606
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: bought it because I felt as a young person. This

607
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: is what I'm supposed to be listening to and if

608
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: I don't have this Eminem Balbut but the same reason

609
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: why I lied about my favorite band being Limp Biscuits

610
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: when I was asked, because I couldn't say because that

611
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: would mean I was gay. So again in a way

612
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: of like, you know, holding myself back and making myself

613
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: into what everyone else was, I bought that Eminem Show album.

614
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: If you look through the cover art of that album,

615
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:22,919
Speaker 1: it's him killing his audience. He murders. I think that's

616
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: Is that the one with the curtains on the front. Yes, yeah, yeah,

617
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: that's the one I had to And I also bought

618
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 1: it because I was like, I will make myself like

619
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: this right, Like I don't want to say like Britney Spears.

620
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to say like the Bodyguards soundtrack. I

621
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 1: don't want to say like all of these things, like

622
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: hiding this this part of yourself and all. The reason

623
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 1: I brought this up is that all of these people

624
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: who send me this hate, they look like young Eminem's right,

625
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: and it's it's I feel and I'm not being altruistic here.

626
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: I feel so bad for what we do to teenage boys,

627
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: you know. And this is an alter way of looking

628
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: at it, um or alternative say that word anymore. You

629
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: were halfway This is an alternative way to look at it.

630
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: But like, there is a real privilege of queerness because

631
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: you get to see the world. You're like thrust to

632
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: the outer reaches of the world and then you get

633
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: this better perspective on the world. And by queerness, I

634
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 1: don't just mean queerness, I mean any kind of minority

635
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: status that any otherness see get just get this like

636
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: really amazing perspective of the world. But I feel bad

637
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: for them because from that vantage point, you're starting to

638
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: see what the machine does to these people, right And um,

639
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: I mean this is not to say that I'm going

640
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: to respond to them and start a dialogue because if

641
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: I'm getting, you know, however many messages a day, I

642
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: get like, that's not worth my energy. My energy is

643
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: not going to be spent how having a meaningful conversation

644
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: with these people. But it is the public private dynamic

645
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: of these are things that you would never ever say

646
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: to my face exactly right, Well, you said something to

647
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: me when we were talking about this, um that you

648
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,439
Speaker 1: were like, what I want to do is just sit

649
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: them down and be like do you really want to

650
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: do you really want me to die? Is that how

651
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: you truly or you want to do that? Like I

652
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: want to do that? Like Marina Bramovick piece, it's like

653
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: here's a gun, here's a knife, and it's like do

654
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: you want to do this to me or do you

655
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: want to do something else? You know? And um yeah,

656
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: like it's it's it's kind of insane. I also think

657
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: that this is just time when the way you release

658
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: things on the Internet is you're releasing it to a

659
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: to a platform where people can truly say anything. And

660
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: if you think back to television in like the nineties,

661
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: like if an episode came out and a gay couple

662
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: kissed on it, right, like, it's a much longer process.

663
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: You don't comment on that, you I mean you comment

664
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: on it if you are so incensed. You take it

665
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: upon yourself to write a letter and then you put

666
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: a stamp on that letter that you spent money on,

667
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: and then you put that envelope in the mail and

668
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: then the mail goes to the like channel that broadcasted it,

669
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: and then there's a mail center. So it's like there

670
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: were so many, um, there were so many filters. Yea,

671
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: there were so many filters. Um can I am? Okay,

672
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: So you're just talking about sort of both of you

673
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 1: talking about sequestering away. It is like these like interests

674
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: as kids. Um can I just I don't. I haven't

675
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: done this before the show? Um okay, Ham Sandwich, she's

676
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: she used to be dropping. Now she's now, she's she's transitioning,

677
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 1: she's trans um During coming National Coming Out Day this week,

678
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 1: she wrote this, really, I had this beautifully written thing

679
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: about the closet. Can I read it? Okay? The closet

680
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: is a stupid phrase. It's a cute see hetero friendly

681
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: euphemism for what is actually solitary confinement in a prison

682
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: of pure fear, the walls of which appear out of

683
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: nowhere after you've spent some chunk of your life thinking

684
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: we're roaming free like everybody else. There was a key

685
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: placed within reach. But that key is made of a

686
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: kind of courage. No one in straight culture ever said

687
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: you need to have because the walls themselves are built

688
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: out of a cowardice. That's straight people have never had

689
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 1: to confront, which I think, which I think speaks to

690
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: like these people. Um and then there's one more thing.

691
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: Every lgbtwo person has escaped their cell through sheer force

692
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: of will and on their own. We've all taken an

693
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: irreversible and costly step, and often the only reward we

694
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: get for it is the company and solidarity of others

695
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 1: who have taken that same step. That's why I'm more

696
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: proud on this day than than that fucking stupid week

697
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: in June. And then she ends up with um. She says,

698
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: she talks about how she could come out twice, once

699
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: it's gay and then once it's trans. And then she says,

700
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: all LGBT people, even the ones whose guts I fucking hate,

701
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: are beautiful for this reason. So I think that was anyway. Yeah,

702
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: so I think that's true. It's something and it's so

703
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: interesting because you know, now, whenever I meet somebody LGBT,

704
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: it's like you do you feel an instant, familiar, already

705
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: in love for that person, because it's true, no one

706
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: else does know. You really don't know. Well, that's what

707
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: it is, it's like, and that's what the thing I

708
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: responded most to in Ham's and Ham's writing was that like, um,

709
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: she's saying, like you like you're escaping out of your

710
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: own out of your own will, Like that's god like

711
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: what a what a crazy like lonely thing. I mean

712
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: I also think like within the lgbt q q I

713
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:49,280
Speaker 1: A community, there's um like a strong amount of mask

714
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: privilege and a strong amount of white privilege, and of course,

715
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: but which is present, for the record, in every minority community.

716
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 1: And I was talking about this with some one. But

717
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 1: it's like I was talking about this with my friend, UM.

718
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 1: She's an actor and she's currently uh filming a show, UM,

719
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: and it came up because she's wearing contacts for the show.

720
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: She's a black woman, and she was telling me that

721
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: everyone would come up to her and be like, your

722
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: eyes are so beautiful, and it's like that light privilege

723
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: of like, and so we were we were talking about

724
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: is it it's this thing present in all minority communities

725
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: of like who is closest to white and who's closest

726
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: to mail you know, um, and who's closest to like

727
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: straight acting. And so I was talking to, um, there's

728
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: this really great guy, representative Brian Sims. He's amazing, he's

729
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: so great, he's so he's so smart and the way,

730
00:43:53,440 --> 00:44:00,919
Speaker 1: so he's this very mask, presenting um uh, gay white

731
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: guy state senators at in Pennsylvania. Yes, state legislators in Pennsylvania,

732
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: and he was saying that he understands that the opponent

733
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 1: of his community looks like him, and and the opponent

734
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,720
Speaker 1: of minority communities looks just like him, so they're more serious.

735
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 1: They're going to take him more seriously because he looks

736
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: like them. So he's like, I'm willing to fight for

737
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: all of these people because I know this awful thing

738
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 1: is true, that they take me more seriously just because

739
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: for so many people, being gay is just a fact, right,

740
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: Like they're just like, like I think of like Neil

741
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: Patrick Harris, what I consider him a queer? No, what

742
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: I like? But it's like, is that my person? Where

743
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 1: is that my avatar? No? But um. For a long

744
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: time though, that was it. Didn't you feel that for me?

745
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: I felt like that, I mean, to be honest with you,

746
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: that was it for me when I was in high school,

747
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: when I found out that he was gay and openly

748
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: gay and playing a role that was straight on television

749
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: and accepted as part of the mainstream culture on a

750
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 1: network like CBS, which I even knew at that age

751
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:22,959
Speaker 1: was bullshit like because it is um. I was like, wow,

752
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: this is my hero, and I remember, I remember I

753
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: felt I remember I felt like a genuine crush on

754
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,439
Speaker 1: him and a genuine love for him, and like sort

755
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: of like an obsession, Like I remember I would go

756
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 1: home and I would google him and listen to and

757
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: find out the project he was. And I also found

758
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,720
Speaker 1: out that he was involved in this like concert version

759
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: of Sweeney Todd that he did with Patti Lapone, and

760
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, this person has so many varied interests,

761
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: but like they're able to succeed on a mainstream level

762
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: and they're gay and they're out and saying it like

763
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: it's crazy, Oh my god. And this is like pre

764
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 1: Sewn Hayes saying he was gay, and like sure, I mean,

765
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: Ellen being out like meant something. But to be honest

766
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: with you, like I guess like the first time I

767
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: saw myself, which is my own privilege. No no, no,

768
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: but I mean I think that that is great and important.

769
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: And I didn't I don't mean to knock him. I

770
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: mean to just say it's it's an echo of what

771
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: you're saying, which is like it's so fucked up that

772
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: that's like one of the only ones that we have

773
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: to and we have to like in some cases pretend

774
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: to identify with right right right right right, and we're

775
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: like and and and I'm you know, yeah, I mean

776
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: that's It's the what I wanted to knock was the

777
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: culture that made him be the only one not him, No, no, no,

778
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: And you know what because even he I'm sure, like

779
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: is it fully out as himself? You know what I mean?

780
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: Like no, I think this is what Dylan saying that

781
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: he was able to still like sustain his own career

782
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: um because because he just had all the other like

783
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: points in the checklist that were like, oh, you're know

784
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: that he was completely straight acting and playing an extremely

785
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: like almost vulgar straight and there was that like element

786
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: of like, oh he you know, like there's there's the

787
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: like magic element. But what he's passing right and his

788
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: thing for a while was his like type was disgusting

789
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: straight man, like not even in How I Met Your Mother?

790
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: But also what how Old and Kumar? I wonder how

791
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: that is going to stand the test of history, Like

792
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: I wonder how I won the performance and How I

793
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: Met Your Mother is going to Yeah, I don't read

794
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: decades from now, especially after this election, right right, that's interesting.

795
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: How are you guys doing? Okay, I went, I went

796
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: canvas saying last week and you guys phone banking and banking,

797
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: I was calling uh members of the Democratic Party in

798
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: Michigan to make sure that they got their absentee balance.

799
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: So it wasn't like I was calling undecided voters in Florida.

800
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: I wasn't like confronted my head on. I got a

801
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: couple of responses that were like, it's none of your

802
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: business who I vote for. Between me and my god.

803
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: Between me and my god was one. And also, um,

804
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: can we count on you to support Hillary November eight? Like,

805
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: hell you can? And they's a like Democrats. It's registered

806
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: Democrats that are in the system. For that reason, I

807
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: would say, how am I doing with it? I'm exhausted.

808
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: I'm so fucking tired that now I'm just desperately trying

809
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: to see the humor in it, because I do think

810
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: that it's that I do think that, like I think

811
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: he can't come back from this. I'm I'm still fighting,

812
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: like I still will go in the phone bank and

813
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: I still will, you know, do all I can. But

814
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:01,720
Speaker 1: I'm really beat down by it. And I'm also missing

815
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: the I'm missing the kind of social media that took

816
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: itself less seriously to be honest. I really am, I'm I'm,

817
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,800
Speaker 1: I'm I'm. I'm seeing now like I'm respecting people a

818
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 1: lot less, which I really didn't wish. I had to

819
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: family members of mine that come out and say these

820
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: certain things where I'm like, wow, I have to I'm

821
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: never going to forget this. Now. It's a new kind

822
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: of arrow where it's like you're fine, You're really finding

823
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: out what people really think and it's scary because you

824
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: don't have the commonality that you thought you had with everybody,

825
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 1: and it is scary and it's making me really tired.

826
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: And also I haven't been sleeping as well, and I

827
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: think this is Yeah. I also think it's like ludicrous

828
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: that people are trying to talk about this election with impartiality. Oh,

829
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: I saw this Jeep commercial before the movie I was.

830
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: I just went to and this Jeep commerce. You know

831
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: when it's like a commercial that plays before a movie,

832
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: so you know, it's like extended cut, fancy version. So

833
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: it was like basically, no matter who you are, Jeep

834
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: is for all Americans, and um, it was shots of

835
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:13,840
Speaker 1: bumber stickers that support different ideologies, but never something so

836
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: political like abortion, black Lives Matter or abortion. It was like,

837
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 1: I support our troops, uh, save the earth, the most

838
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: innocuous bullshit and not one. So then it was a

839
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: split screen at the very end and half of the

840
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: car closed and it was a blue car and the

841
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 1: bumber sticker was Democrat and half of the car was

842
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: read and it was a bumper sticker and it was Republican.

843
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: I think, what is going to happen? He's like, first

844
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: of all, is everyone will get a jeep everyone? First

845
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 1: of all, let's go get it. This is sponsored thanks

846
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: to jeep. Um. You know when on podcast they always

847
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: say like our friends are cheap and it's like what,

848
00:50:55,200 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: but Dylan, that reminds me, um squarespace, what is it

849
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: a snack box? Whatever? Are you ever craping a snack?

850
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,240
Speaker 1: Why spend seventy dollars a week? Anyway, I just wanted

851
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: to say that it is like, what are those now

852
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: iconic red hats that say make America great again? Like

853
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 1: is that going to is no candidate in the future

854
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,399
Speaker 1: of American politics ever going to have a red hat

855
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,760
Speaker 1: again as part of their campaign because it's so iconic,

856
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 1: you know, like I think it goes away. I don't

857
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: know about that. I don't I think it's I think

858
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: I don't know that. I think what we're living through

859
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 1: is so different. Well think about this though, I mean,

860
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: he's he's doing. What he's doing right now is he's

861
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: he's trying. I think he knows he's kind of flailing

862
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: a little bit. He knows he can't win, so he's

863
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:58,760
Speaker 1: doing he's trying to do as much lasting damage as possible.

864
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,479
Speaker 1: He's trying to ruin her life. I mean that's clear,

865
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: like and um, he's ruining. I think he's ruing a

866
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: lot of people's lives. I mean, now these women are,

867
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: whether they really wanted to or not, are all kind

868
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: of forced to come forward. We all know that coming

869
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: forward about your assault is like very personal and very difficult.

870
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: But now I think that women that might have told

871
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: their family members are told their friends in the past

872
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,240
Speaker 1: that has happened to them, now that this is happening

873
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: with Donald Trump, I'm sure they're being pressured. I mean

874
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: today they're just just an hour before we started, I

875
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: saw there's an Apprentice contestant from season five that came

876
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:39,240
Speaker 1: forward with Gloria Allred and on camera gave a statement

877
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: about her sexual assault, a detailed, eleven minute taped confession

878
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: about a sexual assault that she endured at the hands

879
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: of Donald Trump. And this is not stopping because you

880
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: know that there's countless women. What scares me is the

881
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: fact that it doesn't matter, it doesn't adder to people.

882
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: It's and like The Day Show just did a segment

883
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 1: about these people being like, he wants to grab them

884
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: by the pussy. I want to grab them by the pussy.

885
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: I wish I could grab as much pussy. Or the

886
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: women who are like I'm sixty five and I would

887
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: love if someone would grab my pussy. It means I'm

888
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: cute and I'm like, So basically, what you're saying is

889
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: you consent so you can see you consent. So fine,

890
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: but still no, this is what Dylan saying is that

891
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: the impartiality is complete. It's like when Seamless does the

892
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: put an eye with her or I'm with him? Aren't

893
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: you longing for the days of John McCain and or

894
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: Romney is just like they're so different, I think, Yeah,

895
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: I mean we're talking about this, Yes, Okay, So I

896
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: watched the movie Game Change two nights ago because I

897
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: figured this would be fascinating to watch now. And Sarah Palin,

898
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: I believe was the was the beginning of this um well,

899
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: she got a real beginning of this is when Reagan

900
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 1: the first thing he did in office was kind of educcasion,

901
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: because then that that that's what and that's how you

902
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: got That's how you got a big, dumb electorate that

903
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,240
Speaker 1: you can control. So that's why we have we have today.

904
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 1: But in terms of this beginning of the Tea Party,

905
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 1: in terms of this people being proud of the fact

906
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 1: they were uneducated and you know, left behind, that started

907
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 1: with Sarah Palin because they saw in themselves, they saw

908
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 1: themselves in her, a charismatic every every woman who was

909
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,879
Speaker 1: up there on a national stage, and she spoke to them.

910
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: And what she said to everybody was like, look, I'm

911
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: not an insider. And that was what they had to

912
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: do with her because she truly didn't know any That

913
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: was the first time in American politics that like inexperience

914
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: was was virtuous and it was like, wow, so there's

915
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: someone up there that can get up there who is

916
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: really truly like me. Meanwhile, when no one considers the

917
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 1: fact that she shouldn't have been up there in the

918
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: first list. She was being used as a tactic to win.

919
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: Like it's just funny this like this this mentality of

920
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: like he says, what I think, Well, you shouldn't be president,

921
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: right right, And it started with Sarah Palin because she

922
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: did give birth to the tea party. And in one

923
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 1: of the last scenes of Game Change, which is a

924
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: movie that's been um, you know, spoken on by people

925
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 1: like Nicole Wallace and Steve Schmidt, who are depicted in

926
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 1: the movie as being quote like so accurate that it

927
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: gave them chills, Like this is the last scene, is uh.

928
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: Sarah Palin has played by Julianne Moore, is determined to

929
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: make a concession speech alongside John McCain. She's like, I

930
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: got quite a speech I'm going to make next to you,

931
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 1: and he's like, no, that's not appropriate. I'm going to

932
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: make the speech. You'll stand up there with me and

933
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 1: that'll be fine. And he turns around and walks away,

934
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: and she's still there and she's dect deducted, and before

935
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 1: he gets out the door, he turns around and walks

936
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,760
Speaker 1: back to her and says, you're one of the leaders

937
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: of the party now, Sarah, and people are going to

938
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: be looking to you for what to do. Don't get

939
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:16,240
Speaker 1: corrupted by Limbaugh and the rest of the crazy people

940
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 1: because it's not real, because that's sucking. John McCain's fault

941
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: too for even pick oh, it's fully well. Here's the

942
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: thing John mccainn has presented in the movie is like

943
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 1: a very noble person, but unfortunately the politics of it

944
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: all and then needing to win got to him. And

945
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 1: it was really his advisors that were like, you cannot

946
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 1: win this election with Joe Lieberman, which is who he

947
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: wanted to. He wanted it to be a split ticket

948
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: with a Democratic vice president Joe Choice. And they were like,

949
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: this is not going to help you because what we

950
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: need to do statistically is reinvigorate the base and also

951
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 1: went back to independent. So you need somebody that's gonna

952
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: excite everyone because they hold a gun and also get

953
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: them excited because you're involving someone else. Like, the gender

954
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 1: gap is very wide, we need to close it. And

955
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:11,800
Speaker 1: they went through all the I guess female possibilities and

956
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: chose the most quote unquote charismatic choice, and it was

957
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: Sarah Palin And there you have someone who just did

958
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: not know anything. It wasn't that she was too dumb

959
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: to know it, it was that she didn't know it

960
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: and the volume of information that she had a um

961
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 1: take on was just too much for any person, and

962
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: she had a breakdown. So funny though, because you watch

963
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: old because like like Cocker did a thing on this

964
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 1: way back in the day, Like they posted the gubernatorial

965
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: debates from when she was running for governor, and she

966
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: was able and like she's asked a question on abortion,

967
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: and she was able to very skillfully dodge that question

968
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: and going, you know what, like, of course our cases

969
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: where that would be the only option, the only viable option,

970
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 1: but um, in most cases, I would choose life. But

971
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: like she's saying that and obviously you don't agree with it,

972
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: Like I don't agree with that, but she said it

973
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: in a way that was actually she was and she

974
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 1: was like she she she knew what she wasn't in

975
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: over her head, and it was like, oh, she's probably

976
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 1: a perfectly fine politician at the state level. But then

977
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: like you just like shoot her up that you gave

978
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: her this meteoric rise just to make this a little

979
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: more macro and human. I always wonder about that in

980
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: is like is that part of the human condition? What

981
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 1: is is? Well, I just think like I would like

982
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: to believe that we are humans who have our convictions

983
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: and we have our ethical ground to stand on. But

984
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: I also think like it has so much to do

985
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: with circumstance and like what you believe. And it's like,

986
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 1: can power and fame turn you into a monster? I

987
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: think game Change and the story of Sarah Palin would

988
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: argue that it can Donald Trump even and with Donald

989
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: Trump as well a much on a much more relevant

990
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 1: and grand scale. So is that a human failing? Well,

991
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: I just I just mean to understand these people as humans, right,

992
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 1: Like if you want to even humanize, Like it's like

993
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: that chapter in The Bluest I went Tony Morrison humanizes

994
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 1: this character who is the most violent, despicable character of

995
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: the whole book, And you didn't think it was possible.

996
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 1: It's like, are we you know, maybe like will ultimately

997
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 1: get that chapter for Donald Trump. Everyone has a story,

998
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: every everyone has a story. But I just think that

999
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: like that is like something to consider. Like we were

1000
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: talking about with internet rolls and internet harassment, It's like, oh,

1001
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: there were things that led to this moment and what

1002
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 1: if like we went back to you as a kid,

1003
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 1: Like we'd like to think everyone was Damien, you know

1004
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 1: from the then. Um, but it's like it's not. We

1005
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 1: love thinking that. I mean, this is not a new idea.

1006
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: It's like it's like, um, you know, the banality of evil? Right,

1007
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: Like why did so many people join the Nazi Party?

1008
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 1: It's not like they were all Damiens, you know, but

1009
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: it's like how easy is it to just join this

1010
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: like in in true horrendous evil? Yeah, so I don't know,

1011
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: it's it's I mean, I do think that this movie.

1012
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: I mean, if and if no one has seen The

1013
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 1: Game Change, I would recommend people see it. Um it

1014
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 1: really pretty much because you like her in the beginning,

1015
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,920
Speaker 1: like it's it's interesting, you know what will happen and

1016
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 1: so you're questioning it and of course, but what I

1017
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: think is so great about this movie is Julianne Moore

1018
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: is such an amazing actress. She plays her and you

1019
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: really feel the frustration. You feel her try and answer

1020
01:00:55,640 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 1: these questions, but she just can't. She just doesn't have

1021
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: the capability to take on and memorize all these things.

1022
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 1: And for what amount of the things that there she

1023
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 1: was supposed to know. She did a pretty good job.

1024
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: I mean, she made it through that vice presidential debate,

1025
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: which was insane like that she was able to do

1026
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: that from knowing nothing. But what happens to that character.

1027
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: I think her tragic flaw was like she fucking loved

1028
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 1: the attention and so she saw that she got thet

1029
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 1: because they say in the beginning of the movie, they

1030
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 1: set her down to vet her and they're like, the

1031
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 1: biggest concern we have is that you're a creationist. And

1032
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 1: she says, my father was a science teacher. You know,

1033
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 1: I grew up and I accept evolution. I understand evolution.

1034
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 1: I saw fossils when I was young, Like, I get it,

1035
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: but I just can't deny that I see God's hand

1036
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 1: and everything that we have, and I believe that God

1037
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 1: created all this. And they're like, Okay, so we have

1038
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 1: someone that understands it, but like know, for spiritual reasons,

1039
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 1: wants to believe this other thing. But then, like that

1040
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 1: wasn't the public persona that she gave. She gave the

1041
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 1: true fundamental and that is not necessarily truthful to what

1042
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 1: she apparently believed, but it was on a mass level

1043
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 1: what was gonna get her the best attention, the best,

1044
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 1: you know, the most followers. There's this author bar Tune

1045
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 1: Day Thurston and he How to Be Black, and he

1046
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 1: has one chapter it's like if you want to be famous,

1047
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 1: quickly be a black conservative talking and it's so true,

1048
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 1: like like if you want to be known, say the

1049
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 1: right thing that will make you exceptional. You know. That's

1050
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: so funny. So that that reminded me of that part

1051
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 1: of Yeah, you wonder like how much of this this

1052
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Speaker 1: ship that Stacy dash does she believe or like or like,

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Speaker 1: honestly is she just like was that a job? That

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Speaker 1: the job? Honestly? It may have been a job. You

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Speaker 1: never know, because it was just funny because I watched

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01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 1: so when I was in when I was in college,

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Speaker 1: the way I got mine news. I would have my

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Speaker 1: classes from eight to five and I would get home

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Speaker 1: and I would run home to see what to see

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Speaker 1: what my girls were saying. I love the view. I

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Speaker 1: love the view. But now it's so sad. Recently it's

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Speaker 1: so we'll be still there, but we'll be so checked out.

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Speaker 1: Um and like it's not really what it was because

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Speaker 1: I can't. I don't. I just don't know who these

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Speaker 1: women are anymore. Like back in the back in two,

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Speaker 1: it was like you had Elizabeth Hasselbeck. God love her,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But she represented what she

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01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 1: wanted to represent and what she needs to represent really well.

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Speaker 1: She works up and Friends. She was on Fox and Friends,

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Speaker 1: but then I think she kind of quit to go

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Speaker 1: do family stuff. So I think that's where she is now.

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Speaker 1: But she, as much as frustrating as she was, was

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Speaker 1: so important. And this is and they had Nicole Wallace

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Speaker 1: on the show. Nicole Wallace's like, no, I like the

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Speaker 1: Coole Wallace I watched and like she's a good presence

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Speaker 1: to have it. Like I'm like, stop talking. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that when your first date next to

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Speaker 1: Rachel Matt, like, I don't want to listen to you.

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Speaker 1: I want to listen to this lesbian because yeah, but

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Speaker 1: is that because of your political views? A line more? Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: and I don't want to hear Nicole Wallace weighing on

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Speaker 1: how Hillary sounded shrill. I don't know saying that. I

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01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 1: know she actually said that, she said not shrill, but

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Speaker 1: she was like, yeah, but Hillary came off a little

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Speaker 1: to you no that moment and I was like, all right, Nicole,

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Speaker 1: just during the post debate coverage anyway, Okay, The point

1087
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 1: is early days, like oh eight air review, you had

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01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: Sherry saying the world was flat. You had but that

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01:04:57,720 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: was why you wanted to watch it. I mean, yeah,

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01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 1: entertainment value and also you had like the fact that

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01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 1: real news was coming it. Yeah, and it was so

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01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 1: funny because everyone took the view, so even Rosie on

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01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 1: the View loved it. Come on, firecrack, firecrack. Even that,

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Speaker 1: even that, I went back and watched the first videos

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Speaker 1: where she like starts going in on Trump, and I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 1: she's so good. But you know what, though, how right

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Speaker 1: was she She was? Absolutely? She was. She nailed. She

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01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 1: was funny to me that he is obsessed Donald, He's

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Speaker 1: obsessed with her. You you choose to bring her up

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Speaker 1: on the first and most watch debate and now it's

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Speaker 1: the most watched debate in history, and you're like, okay,

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Speaker 1: that's you're choosing to dine on this hill. Sorry, Donald,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna bring up Donald. You're gonna bring a Rosy O'donald.

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Speaker 1: It's insane. Okay, we didn't ask you how you were

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Speaker 1: doing with this election, how are you doing? Um, I'm um,

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Speaker 1: he's got to remain professional hunting you, yes, you know what,

1107
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Speaker 1: and you got to keep his head above wall. We

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01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 1: don't have to talk to much about work and talked

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Speaker 1: to much about election. I feel mean, it's a fascinating

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Speaker 1: time to like, I feel like this is like, let's

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Speaker 1: get to know America. You know, like that's this is

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Speaker 1: the segment of the long running news magazine show America.

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Speaker 1: That is, well, let's sit down and really get to

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Speaker 1: know America. Are you surprised about what you're hearing? No,

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01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 1: it feels like we're dredging up the bottom dwell, it's

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01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 1: all coming out. It's like this is the end of

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01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 1: a corporate retreat when everyone's like, I think he's an asshole,

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01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:30,720
Speaker 1: and then everyone's like yeah, yeah, and it's like we're

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Speaker 1: about to leave in an hour. Oh my god, that

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Speaker 1: is so good. Yeah, it's well, it feels like that,

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Speaker 1: but it's you're getting to know everyone. And yeah, you're

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Speaker 1: you're getting to know you get a direct line to everybody.

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Speaker 1: And now, I mean every we say this, every election.

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Speaker 1: Social media has never been like this any election before.

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Speaker 1: And I the like thing cultured is to be like

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Speaker 1: social media ruining our society. Let's go back to books,

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01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 1: you know, and it's like fuck you, Like, being on

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Speaker 1: social media doesn't prohibit you from reading books, doesn't prohibit

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Speaker 1: you from like taking part in the legacy of culture.

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Speaker 1: This is part of culture. And to put this blanket

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01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 1: statement out and say like, well, social media is ruining

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01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 1: the world, it's like no, no, it's not. No, it's

1133
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 1: a it's a medium to speak. You might not like

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Speaker 1: what you're seeing, but social media, I believe, is like,

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01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 1: first of all, I have a career because of the Internet.

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01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 1: I've been told so many times like I'm not right

1137
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 1: for my face, isn't right for this kind of experience.

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01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 1: And then the Internet, which is much more democratic, just

1139
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 1: shows that people actually don't care. You know, what executives

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01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 1: tell you in a border meeting is not actually what

1141
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 1: people want to see. It's what they want to see,

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01:07:56,840 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 1: so you bypass that. And then, um, god, the amount

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01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 1: of times we've been told I'm sure all three of

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01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:06,640
Speaker 1: us that were too niche. We were we were recently

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01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 1: told niche And okay, I'm so how much can we

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Speaker 1: share that is comfortable? I just want to I mean,

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01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 1: it was a it was a very gay Show fun

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01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 1: like Matt wrote this. Matt wrote the script of years ago,

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01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 1: and we read it again a couple months ago when

1150
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:25,720
Speaker 1: we were trying to punch this up. It still holds up,

1151
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:27,639
Speaker 1: and we're like, you know what, let's pitch that we're

1152
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 1: so excited about this to a place. And then development

1153
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 1: folks were like, you know what, thank you so much anywhere.

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01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 1: Yeah we know, we all know, so then you're okay.

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01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 1: So I just mean to say that the internet has

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01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 1: provided this fascinating cyber ground for people to express their

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01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 1: opinions and for people to also explore new thoughts, and

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01:08:55,560 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 1: for people to follow threads. Yeah. Yeah, of core, Like

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01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:03,080
Speaker 1: I'm like an old like Greek or Roman towns, it

1160
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: would just be the town scrub where everyone just going totally.

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01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:07,640
Speaker 1: And now there is a much bigger town square. And

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01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 1: it's so amazing that we can communicate with people who

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01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 1: were on platforms that are built for that. You know,

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01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 1: it's not just like this room where people are shouting.

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01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 1: It's like, I mean, and but then like what are

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01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:27,520
Speaker 1: the algorithms? Like, we don't know that something like twitterism

1167
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 1: more real algorithm. And then the last thing I'll say

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01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 1: is that when people ship on hashtag activism. It's like

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01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 1: shipping on poster boards, you know. It's like it's like

1170
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 1: being like, well, fuck posterboard signs, and it's like, how

1171
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 1: else are you gonna get the message? Yeah, it's just

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01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 1: a way to say the message. And the hashtag is

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01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 1: a great like filing system for the world. You're just

1174
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 1: like I'll click on this and I'll see what people

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01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:55,720
Speaker 1: are saying. So that's just this Like it's like the

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01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 1: most juvenile thing. Like when people getting up on the

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Speaker 1: Kardashians because they have like enough ing else to say

1178
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:05,599
Speaker 1: about like critiquing pop culture. It's like, actually, they're brilliant,

1179
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 1: Like they are artists and they will be considered artists

1180
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:12,480
Speaker 1: one day for what they have, how they have manipulated,

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01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 1: and we'll be pronouncing the name. Um. I mean, I'm

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01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 1: not a huge fan of the show. I just mean like,

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01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 1: I just mean, yes you are. I just mean criticizing

1184
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 1: them by default of course, and then criticizing hashtag activism

1185
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 1: because you hear people that you respect criticizing hashtag activism.

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01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 1: I have to shout out a genius comedic moment I

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01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:39,560
Speaker 1: saw one time in Reverse of the Kardashians. It was

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01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 1: Molly Khan and Aril Carlin's show Um Expert, And it

1189
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 1: was this sketch where um Um Molly goes they're they're

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Speaker 1: reading there, they're like tabloids, and she goes the Kardashians like,

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01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 1: I don't even pay attention to them? What is it

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01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 1: keeping up with the Kardashian at the name of the show?

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01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:05,560
Speaker 1: I don't even know and Ariel goes, yeah, that's the

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01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:09,639
Speaker 1: name of the show, wasn't there, And then the whole

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01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:13,640
Speaker 1: sketches like Kim Kardashian, why is she even famous? And

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01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:16,599
Speaker 1: Ariel goes, well, I'll tell you and proceeds to give

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01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 1: up power point presentation on why Kim famous And it's like,

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Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian is an entrepreneur, Kim Kardashian is uh reality

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Speaker 1: show personality. This is why she is famous? And also

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01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 1: why is anyone favor I feel like asking the question

1201
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 1: why are the Kardashians famous is, if you really think

1202
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 1: about it, one of the dumbest questions you can ever ask.

1203
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 1: They've really that whole family is like just drilled to

1204
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 1: the core of what fame is and they hacked it

1205
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 1: and they should be praised for it. Anyway, it's like

1206
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 1: we know why they're famous. Ask why someone else is famous,

1207
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:57,640
Speaker 1: Like we know we have full you know why the

1208
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,600
Speaker 1: Kardashians are famous. I do want to say before I

1209
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:03,440
Speaker 1: said I wish social media didn't take itself so seriously.

1210
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 1: I think what I'm upset about is Facebook, because this

1211
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 1: is why I don't like about Facebook lately. It's all

1212
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 1: the different kinds of emotions that you can visibly see

1213
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 1: people having to everything. It just feels very like, yeah,

1214
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 1: get inflamed. It's like, and you have to remember that

1215
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 1: Facebook is like leaching off of us. I feel like,

1216
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like that's to me, it

1217
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 1: feels like not not even just like an encouragement of

1218
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 1: our emotions. It feels like a manipulation and like a

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01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 1: you know, um, I think it just sets the tenor

1220
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 1: for the conversations to be high, which I think is

1221
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 1: actually useful. Sure, I guess, just like I don't know

1222
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:41,040
Speaker 1: what we're gonna say. I was just going to say

1223
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 1: that it's a we don't know the system behind it, right,

1224
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 1: we don't. We don't because we don't understand or control

1225
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:53,599
Speaker 1: the algorithms. Something like Twitter is a radically different platform.

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01:12:54,080 --> 01:13:00,639
Speaker 1: Twitter is just completely chronological. Yeah, um where Yeah, I'll

1227
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 1: always have a problem with people that are like, I

1228
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 1: see what you're posting, and what you really should be

1229
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 1: posting isn't this. I'll just always have a problem with that.

1230
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:11,599
Speaker 1: And it's like you have a problem with people. You've

1231
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,880
Speaker 1: said this before. People police just don't be be the

1232
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:18,120
Speaker 1: police like on social media. I just don't. I don't

1233
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:22,720
Speaker 1: do you do? This is an honest question that I

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01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 1: don't necessarily have an answer for. But do you think

1235
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:30,799
Speaker 1: there is like honest discourse that can or useful discourse

1236
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 1: that can come out of Facebook? It depends on who

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01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 1: you are. Um, yes, Like my answer is yeah, I've

1238
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 1: had Um, you've learned that you've learned from I've learned

1239
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 1: from talking to people. I don't know if like honestly

1240
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 1: we've all become better because of it and been like

1241
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:52,360
Speaker 1: at the end, Wow, this is a great conversation. I

1242
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:55,640
Speaker 1: think we've all changed. But like, for example, I mean

1243
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 1: I posted Michelle Obama speech of the d n C

1244
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 1: and I had like a teacher from high school comment

1245
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 1: on it that was like I'm sorry, but she's wrong

1246
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 1: and this this, this, this, this, and then posted like

1247
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 1: a graphic from like obviously like very slanted conservative website. Yeah,

1248
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 1: something like that, and it started a full blown battle.

1249
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 1: And what it kind of revealed to me was like

1250
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:32,080
Speaker 1: how defensive people on that side will get because it's

1251
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 1: like because they have a lot of a lot of

1252
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 1: because that's what it is. So right now, the Republicans

1253
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:42,800
Speaker 1: and like, um, anybody that is supporting Trump right now,

1254
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:45,680
Speaker 1: they're doing so because they're angry, and they're doing so

1255
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:49,599
Speaker 1: because they feel like they're not being heard and they're

1256
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 1: not being listened to and they're not being cared about.

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Speaker 1: And so when something happens like this guy posts on

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01:14:56,080 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 1: my wall his opinion and then everyone jumps on board,

1259
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 1: and it's you're dumb, that is why he's like this

1260
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:08,599
Speaker 1: in the first place. So it's like that's something I've

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01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 1: learned from this is it's like I've observed the kind

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01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 1: of Piranha mentality Facebook and mentality. It's kind of like

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01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 1: and you see someone say something and then it's like, yeah,

1264
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 1: they're right, I'm gonna like their post. And it was

1265
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 1: like it was interesting because like I would say I

1266
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:28,479
Speaker 1: would make a comment and it would get thirty likes

1267
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 1: and his would get none, And I was like, wow,

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01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:33,640
Speaker 1: and a little part of me the back of my

1269
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 1: house was like, yeah, we're winning, And I was like,

1270
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:38,680
Speaker 1: you're being in the parana right now. You just want that,

1271
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 1: Like you just want and it's not that you don't

1272
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:43,720
Speaker 1: believe what you're saying, but it becomes a situation where

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01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 1: it's not a fair fight because you're on my feed

1274
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:48,360
Speaker 1: and you know what I mean, we're not actually getting

1275
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 1: the conversation right now because we're on my feed and

1276
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:52,240
Speaker 1: we're on my home turf. It's like when you go

1277
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 1: to Fenway Park and you're the one Yankee fan, you know,

1278
01:15:57,200 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 1: odds are you're going to get a comment. So like

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01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 1: that's such a good point, and you know, and so

1280
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 1: basically like when it comes to Facebook and when it

1281
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:07,760
Speaker 1: comes to the whole bit, it's like there's a lot

1282
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 1: to be learned in the way that we communicate with

1283
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 1: each other, and there's a lot to be learning, like

1284
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:14,080
Speaker 1: how to better, um, get these things across and like

1285
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:17,959
Speaker 1: but really, like if you expect to have a totally

1286
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:22,640
Speaker 1: honest discourse, balanced discourse on Facebook, you're not going to

1287
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:25,000
Speaker 1: get that because you have the potential for people to

1288
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:28,800
Speaker 1: side with you without even saying anything. So it's it's

1289
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:32,479
Speaker 1: it's difficult and it is by nature slanted, and I

1290
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 1: think that helps Facebook because it gets people excited. I

1291
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:40,960
Speaker 1: think I appreciate Facebook a lot for like you know,

1292
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:43,680
Speaker 1: when a Vida came out, also big moment that I

1293
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 1: come on, it's don't cry for me, are just don't

1294
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:57,559
Speaker 1: I never left mad existence, I can't my problems. Don't

1295
01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:00,160
Speaker 1: keep your distance. Okay, I'm sorry, don't go. Have I

1296
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:03,600
Speaker 1: said too much? Nothing more I can think of to

1297
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 1: say to you anyway? Um the image getting out of

1298
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 1: the rabbit hole, okay, so you know how she comes

1299
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:19,919
Speaker 1: out onto the Like that is when I see Facebook

1300
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:23,919
Speaker 1: being most successful, is that now everyone has a balcony.

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01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 1: So not like what you're saying, Matt about the comments,

1302
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 1: I totally agree with, like, um oh, I really owned him,

1303
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 1: you know, like I eviscerated him all caps um. But

1304
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:44,200
Speaker 1: it's more it's it's like I don't think that when

1305
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:46,639
Speaker 1: people come out and they're like, this is a speech

1306
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 1: I had planned and I'm going to share it. I

1307
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 1: see such value in that. Like in the last week

1308
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:56,599
Speaker 1: with women sharing their sexual assault story, I'm not interested

1309
01:17:56,640 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 1: in the conversation that has come like anyone arguing with

1310
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 1: them about it. But I love that I get to

1311
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 1: listen to it on a platform that then I can

1312
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:07,719
Speaker 1: scroll to the next one. And if there's a hashtag,

1313
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:09,680
Speaker 1: I love that I can click on that hashtag and

1314
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 1: then I can read other women dealing with these stories,

1315
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:16,200
Speaker 1: you know, and because how else are you gonna get

1316
01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:18,960
Speaker 1: their stories? Do you ever feel concerned though, that, because

1317
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:21,600
Speaker 1: we're all becoming more accustomed to typing these out, that

1318
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 1: we can't actually articulate them human and human. I mean

1319
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:26,760
Speaker 1: we're doing there right now. I don't know we are

1320
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 1: think I think there is even even if like I'm

1321
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 1: having a day where I like spend it all on

1322
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 1: the computer, I have an adjustment period where it's like

1323
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 1: I gotta talk to a human right now, and there's

1324
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 1: like a bit of getting my sea legs back, Like

1325
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:46,400
Speaker 1: you know when you're ice skating and you like forget

1326
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:49,920
Speaker 1: how to walk for a second. No, I am a

1327
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 1: perfect ice skaters. You're Tara Levinsky. Ye know, well who

1328
01:18:56,240 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 1: I am is exactly. Don't you ever forget it? Bit

1329
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:04,680
Speaker 1: I'll come at you with my stick, this, selings, this, this.

1330
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 1: You know that that adjustment period is so it's that

1331
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:09,240
Speaker 1: applies to anything because I'm because any time I go

1332
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:11,760
Speaker 1: back to China and I'm using Mandarin, Mandarin Mandarin. As

1333
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 1: soon as I get back on the return flight and

1334
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 1: I'm I'm talking to us to an English speaker, I'll

1335
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:19,560
Speaker 1: be like, oh, so sorry, and then that's going to

1336
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:22,680
Speaker 1: be like my first full phrase of English that I've

1337
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 1: spoken in weeks, and I'm like, whoa, what's English? So yeah,

1338
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:29,880
Speaker 1: that's that's interesting. Wow, you won't speak English for two weeks,

1339
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 1: you know what. I'm worried. And maybe I've talked about this.

1340
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:35,400
Speaker 1: The language barrier is getting bigger and bigger the older

1341
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 1: I get and I have I have less of an

1342
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 1: excuse for it because like, growing up, like my Mandarin

1343
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 1: proficiency would track with my age and be like, oh,

1344
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 1: you're a kid, of course you only know kid words.

1345
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:51,840
Speaker 1: But now that I'm an adult's pizza pizza pastasia and

1346
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 1: then um, but then like but now that I'm this,

1347
01:19:54,720 --> 01:20:01,040
Speaker 1: like this like you know, beautiful, beautiful man, I'm gonna

1348
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:03,519
Speaker 1: and this is just how this is just like this

1349
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 1: is just um the like the culture in China and

1350
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:10,599
Speaker 1: guess culture, um is that like people just point out

1351
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:14,600
Speaker 1: like like my relatives are absolutely be like why your

1352
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 1: mandarin's gotten much worse, and he'll say that. They'll say

1353
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 1: that without like being too without being malicious. They're just

1354
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:23,120
Speaker 1: like making an observation. They're like, Wow, your mandarin is terrible,

1355
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:26,639
Speaker 1: and I'm going to take that. I'm just I'm really

1356
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:29,559
Speaker 1: going to let that affect me. And i mean, wow, God,

1357
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 1: it really does that, doesn't it. No, it doesn't bomb

1358
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 1: because you don't live there. I know, but I think

1359
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 1: they are sort of they feel owed the you know,

1360
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 1: the the conversation. So I'm gonna like, they're gonna ask

1361
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:47,520
Speaker 1: me about the election. I've listened, I've like, I've translated

1362
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:49,680
Speaker 1: my answers over It's so fun. Do you think their

1363
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:52,640
Speaker 1: perspective will be on this election? It's so interesting to

1364
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 1: go somewhere else in the world and listen to people. No,

1365
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:57,519
Speaker 1: but you know what it is like and people say this,

1366
01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:00,479
Speaker 1: but like the rest of the world really does like

1367
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 1: im Bradford. This guy, Bradford Jordan's was tweeting he's in

1368
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 1: he's in Hong Kong right now, but he was tweeting

1369
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 1: about how um like he like. The day after the

1370
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 1: morning after the debate, um like, these kids were huddled

1371
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:15,880
Speaker 1: around a phone watching the entire debate and being like,

1372
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:18,720
Speaker 1: I can't believe this is what's happening in America. The

1373
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 1: same thing wasn't happening in Europe. So I'm gonna I'm

1374
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 1: gonna go back to China and they're gonna ask me,

1375
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 1: like why we don't understand how he got there, and

1376
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:28,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be like, yeah, well here's what I think,

1377
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:31,599
Speaker 1: Like I have to articulate these very complex here's something.

1378
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 1: Let's end this conversation with that question, Dylan, how did

1379
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:41,360
Speaker 1: Donald Trump get here? Um? I was just gonna say that.

1380
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 1: I mean he got here through television. Yeah, he got

1381
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:48,320
Speaker 1: here through television. And I grew up on a block

1382
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 1: where he built one of his skyscrapers. So he blocked

1383
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:58,040
Speaker 1: our river views, so like here, oh yeah, um, and

1384
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 1: I that is like so I grew up yeah, like

1385
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:08,200
Speaker 1: I just I always structurally knew of him as this

1386
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:11,519
Speaker 1: guy who blocked our river views. And that's the sense.

1387
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:17,559
Speaker 1: Like we were living in a rent stabilized building, um,

1388
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 1: and there was applausea across the street from us, and

1389
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:27,680
Speaker 1: it was always under construction, and then he came in

1390
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 1: and he whipped it up into shape and he like

1391
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:33,200
Speaker 1: made it be a Park and you're like, at what cost?

1392
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:35,720
Speaker 1: You always had that question, like what what are we

1393
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:40,280
Speaker 1: paying for here? And then he erected the skyscraper. Um

1394
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 1: called it the tallest skyscraper in the world. On the side, yeah,

1395
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 1: I mean that was the record that he was going,

1396
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 1: this is the tallest skyscraper in the world, and it

1397
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:52,840
Speaker 1: said like ninety plus stories and then you saw you

1398
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:55,320
Speaker 1: learned that they were counting the lobby as like twenty

1399
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:59,840
Speaker 1: and so it's like, but that all, it says everything.

1400
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 1: All he needed to have the biggest vertical structure in

1401
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:07,160
Speaker 1: the world. I always say this about the World Trade Center,

1402
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:11,479
Speaker 1: America's dick. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's this, like

1403
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:16,640
Speaker 1: I do think this is America's need for size is

1404
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:20,880
Speaker 1: going to America's obsession with size is going to kill

1405
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:26,639
Speaker 1: us because, like I mean, in this very direct way

1406
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:30,760
Speaker 1: with climate change, like everything needs to be as big

1407
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 1: as possible. And then you go to Europe and you're like,

1408
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 1: i'll have ice, please, and they're like, no, we don't,

1409
01:23:36,360 --> 01:23:38,720
Speaker 1: we don't have that, and you're like, what I want

1410
01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 1: this heaping with ice? I want a big cup of fluid.

1411
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:45,880
Speaker 1: How did Donald Trump get here? Um, I think we

1412
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:48,639
Speaker 1: were talking about this with game change, like off the air,

1413
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:51,160
Speaker 1: I think, like this week, I think I think it's

1414
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:55,000
Speaker 1: that it's like you could, Okay, let's let's go backwards

1415
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:59,800
Speaker 1: Trump Tea Party, Sarah Palin Reagan. There you go, Hubert

1416
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 1: how break. My opinion is, I think that everyone's really

1417
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:07,840
Speaker 1: confused in America right now between celebrity and real I

1418
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:10,840
Speaker 1: think I think it's become one. I think everyone's just

1419
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 1: really fucked upification. I think, yeah, I think people genuinely

1420
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 1: take a lot of these celebrities who really should be

1421
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 1: taken seriously seriously, and I think that's what that is.

1422
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:25,320
Speaker 1: I think that's so right. And you know, who the

1423
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:27,719
Speaker 1: hell is she? I have to say, sorry, he's crafted

1424
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 1: his own image. That's yeah, he's he's curated whoa what?

1425
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:39,120
Speaker 1: And then and then is a skill? This is gonna.

1426
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:42,280
Speaker 1: I think that it's time. It's time for I don't

1427
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:46,879
Speaker 1: think so Honey now, Dylan, I don't know if you're familiar,

1428
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:49,880
Speaker 1: but I don't think so Honey is a centerpiece. It's

1429
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:53,320
Speaker 1: what people tune in for, that's what they live for.

1430
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 1: They listen to Lost Culture Race as they sit through

1431
01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:58,760
Speaker 1: an hour and twenty two twenty three minutes of a

1432
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:02,960
Speaker 1: podcast and they say, God damn it, that's right. I

1433
01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:05,080
Speaker 1: haven't even gotten to the best part, which is I

1434
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:07,360
Speaker 1: don't think so. I don't think honey, and it's about

1435
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 1: to happen. We have sixty seconds to rail against something

1436
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:13,400
Speaker 1: in culture that's bothering us on a deep, deep level. UM,

1437
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:16,639
Speaker 1: do you have something that you like to talk about tonight, Bowen?

1438
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:20,840
Speaker 1: We give you the courtesy of going last. Y. I

1439
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:24,160
Speaker 1: know what I'm gonna talk about, but let's in keeping

1440
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 1: with tradition. You want to go first? Or should I?

1441
01:25:26,439 --> 01:25:28,719
Speaker 1: Can you go first? Because I have only the vague

1442
01:25:28,760 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 1: formations I have something and I really don't know how

1443
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:33,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about this, but I'm about to. Okay,

1444
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:35,240
Speaker 1: here we go. Matt Matt Rodgers. I don't think so, honey.

1445
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:38,960
Speaker 1: Times starts one minute, time starts now. I don't think so, honey.

1446
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:43,040
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift, where is your Hillary Clinton endorsement? I swear

1447
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 1: to god, Taylor Swift, I don't think so, honey. How

1448
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:48,120
Speaker 1: come every other pop star and every other notable celebrity

1449
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:51,599
Speaker 1: can give their fucking endorsement? You are so transparent, Taylor Swift.

1450
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:54,200
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, I'm never paying to see

1451
01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:57,160
Speaker 1: you on concert again. I will rip your fucking albums

1452
01:25:57,479 --> 01:25:59,320
Speaker 1: off the internet. I will. I will make sure you

1453
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:01,479
Speaker 1: never get another or sent for me unless you come

1454
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:03,680
Speaker 1: out and support Hillary Clinton in this election. I think

1455
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:07,719
Speaker 1: it's fucking ridiculous and cowardly. You put your own image

1456
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 1: over the bettering over the betterment of this nation. And

1457
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 1: it's so stupid you're saying, I'm this close to overexposure

1458
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:16,320
Speaker 1: to Kanye West is not an excuse for you to

1459
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:17,880
Speaker 1: not come out and do the right thing right now.

1460
01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 1: I'm talking every other celebrity, people with just as much

1461
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:23,880
Speaker 1: to lose as you. You're still gonna have fans if

1462
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:26,720
Speaker 1: you come out and say the right thing. Seriously, if

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01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 1: Beyonce I can do it, if everyone else can do it,

1464
01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:31,639
Speaker 1: why can't you. Your voice is going to make a difference.

1465
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:33,760
Speaker 1: And I know you know right from wrong. Please, I

1466
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:35,720
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, any excuse you might have a

1467
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 1: cellar swift in doors Hillary Clinton. I don't think so, honey,

1468
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:41,839
Speaker 1: of you don't that's one minute, Wow, Matt, thank you. Okay,

1469
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:46,240
Speaker 1: I'm so mad that she hasn't said something. She has

1470
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:48,920
Speaker 1: so much influence she can she can. Yeah, she can

1471
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:53,200
Speaker 1: fucking take a ship at the at St. Peter's Basilica

1472
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:55,760
Speaker 1: and still have all. And that's why I'm saying, like

1473
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:58,840
Speaker 1: it matters, Like the celebrity bullshit is why Donald Trump

1474
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 1: is up there. It matters what Taylor so fucking says,

1475
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:04,640
Speaker 1: Like it's so stupid, but you know it matters. So

1476
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:07,519
Speaker 1: why doesn't she just say something? Absolutely, she's been dead

1477
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:09,880
Speaker 1: silent about this whole thing. She doesn't care about the

1478
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:12,880
Speaker 1: country fans anymore. We are we're supposed to believe. I

1479
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:16,240
Speaker 1: don't know, it's so stupid and transparent. I hate her.

1480
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:18,840
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree. Okay, all right, you got it out,

1481
01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:22,200
Speaker 1: You're good. This is this is the point, baby, I

1482
01:27:22,439 --> 01:27:25,519
Speaker 1: truly all right. I'm ready. I'm ready for something. You're

1483
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:27,960
Speaker 1: gonna give me time. This is bowen yang. So I

1484
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, And it starts right now. I

1485
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:33,599
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. People who are still afraid of Chippotle.

1486
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:37,439
Speaker 1: I have been going every I went the week that

1487
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:39,760
Speaker 1: the oakole I broke out, and I still enjoyed a

1488
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:43,600
Speaker 1: delicious burrito bowl with smoked tabasco. Honey, I had. I

1489
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:47,400
Speaker 1: got my life with white rice, black beans, chicken, and

1490
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 1: now they have Theresa. What's not to love? Get your

1491
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:52,360
Speaker 1: aster chapole. I don't think so, honey. People who who

1492
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:54,200
Speaker 1: you know what? Let me ask you this, how much

1493
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:56,720
Speaker 1: of your fear of Chippole, your stigma of Chapole? How

1494
01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 1: much of that is linked to the cuisine, to the

1495
01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:02,559
Speaker 1: country of origin. You think it's disgusting and it's risky

1496
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:05,240
Speaker 1: because it's Mexican. I don't want to project, but I

1497
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:07,439
Speaker 1: think that's what it is, honey. I don't think so, honey.

1498
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:09,280
Speaker 1: I love Mexican food with my favorite food. And if

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01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 1: you don't like Mexican food and any any kind, I

1500
01:28:11,240 --> 01:28:13,519
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, that's your loss. Enjoy your fucking

1501
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 1: cheerios that you eat for dinner, you fucking idiot plebeian.

1502
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 1: I love Chipole. I had it three times this week,

1503
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:21,400
Speaker 1: and I loved it. It got better with every single

1504
01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:24,320
Speaker 1: consecutive meal. I don't think so many I had three

1505
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:26,080
Speaker 1: days in a row. How about that. I don't think

1506
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:27,559
Speaker 1: so many people who don't like to probaly, who are

1507
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:29,880
Speaker 1: too afraid to be Coli, it's har umnless, you'll live.

1508
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 1: It'll be a good story to write your fucking novel.

1509
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:35,400
Speaker 1: And that's one minute. I had Chipotle for lunch today,

1510
01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:37,760
Speaker 1: A bit that might have been my best. That was

1511
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:40,040
Speaker 1: your best one ever. That was my most impassioned. Okay,

1512
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:43,719
Speaker 1: I'm proud you really spoke well about about that lunch food.

1513
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:45,880
Speaker 1: Oh I love it. I love Chipotle so much. I'm

1514
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 1: you know what, Originian, Colorado. I've been to the first Chippole.

1515
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:55,360
Speaker 1: I've been a rider died Chipotle stand since two thousand three. Wolright,

1516
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:58,120
Speaker 1: that's amazing. You know, one time I went on a

1517
01:28:58,280 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 1: Valentine's Day date Chap Dylan seconds a topic I do

1518
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:13,000
Speaker 1: Dylan Maren last I don't think so. I don't think so,

1519
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:18,240
Speaker 1: Honey is beginning now? I don't think so, honey. Lady Gaga,

1520
01:29:18,479 --> 01:29:21,400
Speaker 1: where is your performance of white ally ship for Black

1521
01:29:21,439 --> 01:29:25,519
Speaker 1: Lives Matter? Okay, you have built a fucking career on

1522
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:28,800
Speaker 1: being a social justice warrior. You came out and in

1523
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:32,400
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine I fucking loved you because you

1524
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:35,280
Speaker 1: accepted awards by saying this is for God and the gays.

1525
01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:40,280
Speaker 1: Then last year you made this amazing, amazing song for

1526
01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:43,680
Speaker 1: the Hunting Ground to talk about sexual assault on college campuses.

1527
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:50,120
Speaker 1: Fucking amazing. And then this year amid Colin Kaepernick's amazing

1528
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:55,160
Speaker 1: protest where we could at least talk about disagreement. You

1529
01:29:55,439 --> 01:29:58,280
Speaker 1: were chosen as the super Bowl halftime performer, and you

1530
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:00,679
Speaker 1: put out a statement that said you were so glad

1531
01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:03,760
Speaker 1: to do this for the fans, but most importantly America,

1532
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:08,000
Speaker 1: completely missing an opportunity to say black lives matter. And

1533
01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:11,280
Speaker 1: unless you dedicate your performance to black lives matter and

1534
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 1: police brutality, I can no longer take you seriously as

1535
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 1: a pop star who is a social justice warriors. Let

1536
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:24,360
Speaker 1: me tell you today that isn't I don't think it's

1537
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:26,360
Speaker 1: how you do. I don't think it's funny for everyone.

1538
01:30:26,479 --> 01:30:29,320
Speaker 1: Every piece of ship that's gonna come on the show

1539
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:31,840
Speaker 1: and that's been on the show so far, fuck you

1540
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:35,720
Speaker 1: that you haven't done it right. Dylan Maron just took

1541
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:39,400
Speaker 1: a pop star to task. She will hang her head

1542
01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:42,960
Speaker 1: and because of this episode and if you've been on

1543
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:47,000
Speaker 1: this show, fuck I never made the connection from her

1544
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:54,360
Speaker 1: super Bowl, her halftime show opportunity to Colin Caperne, she

1545
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:56,720
Speaker 1: needs to be an Ayelly. She she can't. Just she's

1546
01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:59,880
Speaker 1: been completely silent about that. Yes she can't, but that

1547
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:03,320
Speaker 1: they think she can't be a single issue activist pop star.

1548
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:07,000
Speaker 1: She hasn't been. I'm sorry, I will say she has

1549
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:09,960
Speaker 1: not been. She's been an advocate of her sexual assault victim,

1550
01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:13,960
Speaker 1: she's been an advocate for the gays she I'm but

1551
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:16,519
Speaker 1: I want to give her some credit. She's put herself out.

1552
01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:18,720
Speaker 1: She put herself out there, I think, and she has

1553
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:23,599
Speaker 1: put herself out there. I also therefore from my girl,

1554
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:30,760
Speaker 1: because I of her like like just deep love everything.

1555
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:36,200
Speaker 1: And I was astounded by this amazing woman who could

1556
01:31:36,240 --> 01:31:42,639
Speaker 1: blend her very pop, very mainstream entertainment with like real

1557
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:45,439
Speaker 1: I mean she she gave a speech on don't Don't

1558
01:31:45,479 --> 01:31:49,920
Speaker 1: Tell with a senator. She was like actually pairing with lawmakers.

1559
01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:54,920
Speaker 1: She made transgender lyric whenever win whatever song. You know? Okay,

1560
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:56,160
Speaker 1: but can I ask you to get through a D

1561
01:31:56,240 --> 01:31:58,439
Speaker 1: at the end? But you know, well sure sure, totally

1562
01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:05,240
Speaker 1: already said orient um and I'm still on board. So okay,

1563
01:32:05,320 --> 01:32:07,120
Speaker 1: But here can I ask you this is it? Would

1564
01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:10,160
Speaker 1: it be um distasteful of her to I mean she

1565
01:32:10,439 --> 01:32:12,439
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be distasteful of her to show support. Would

1566
01:32:12,439 --> 01:32:14,320
Speaker 1: she'd be taking up My question is would she be

1567
01:32:14,439 --> 01:32:18,599
Speaker 1: taking up space over another pop star such as Beyonce?

1568
01:32:18,760 --> 01:32:21,519
Speaker 1: He was so vocal or Kendrick lamar Or because she

1569
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:23,920
Speaker 1: just has to perform white ally ship that, you know,

1570
01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:27,280
Speaker 1: she just has to show what it's, which she's so smart.

1571
01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:29,720
Speaker 1: I know she knows what that is, you know, like

1572
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:33,680
Speaker 1: it's uh, she would do it tastefully. Yeah, and and

1573
01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:37,280
Speaker 1: just like but that's exactly what she did with gay rights.

1574
01:32:37,439 --> 01:32:45,160
Speaker 1: She you know, she identifies as bisexual, I believe, yeah,

1575
01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:47,840
Speaker 1: and and uh, a lot of pop stars reneg on that.

1576
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:54,439
Speaker 1: But but but she she she actively also you know,

1577
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:57,880
Speaker 1: championed other people. She walked the red carpet and a

1578
01:32:57,960 --> 01:33:02,120
Speaker 1: meat dress for Don't Ask, Don't Tell with escorted by

1579
01:33:02,600 --> 01:33:05,719
Speaker 1: military people. And so she's always been able to really

1580
01:33:06,720 --> 01:33:10,960
Speaker 1: she has been able to marry American institutions with new

1581
01:33:11,040 --> 01:33:13,920
Speaker 1: ways of thinking about them. This is forgotten and the gaze,

1582
01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:16,640
Speaker 1: and I wish you could do that about like this

1583
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:19,759
Speaker 1: is for America. And this is also where I stand

1584
01:33:19,800 --> 01:33:24,000
Speaker 1: on police brutality. Um. Yeah, So I have high hopes

1585
01:33:24,040 --> 01:33:27,559
Speaker 1: for her. And look, look, we can't forget her. Most

1586
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:34,719
Speaker 1: her most compelling advocacy for art arriving in eggs, arriving eggs,

1587
01:33:34,720 --> 01:33:36,680
Speaker 1: which I think is her best egg transport. That is,

1588
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:39,200
Speaker 1: that is the funniest fucking thing and she knows how

1589
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:41,400
Speaker 1: that's what. That's when I was sold on her. Was like, God,

1590
01:33:41,880 --> 01:33:45,120
Speaker 1: she's fucking I just did. I got golden moment after Sorry,

1591
01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:48,479
Speaker 1: I just did a show Mateolan and Christie Chello hosted

1592
01:33:48,479 --> 01:33:50,720
Speaker 1: Battle of the Divas at Union halland it was so fun.

1593
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:52,639
Speaker 1: That's going to happen again in November nine, you guys,

1594
01:33:52,680 --> 01:33:56,800
Speaker 1: and I'll be back. Um. But I defended Beyonce and

1595
01:33:56,880 --> 01:33:59,800
Speaker 1: David Mazzoni defended Lady Gaga, and I knew the moment

1596
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:03,000
Speaker 1: I lost. I did lose. Beyonce lost in the Battle

1597
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:05,200
Speaker 1: of Deer the first Lady Guy because David whipped out

1598
01:34:05,240 --> 01:34:08,679
Speaker 1: the egg and I was like, honestly, you can't compete

1599
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:11,160
Speaker 1: with her arriving in an egg at them. You can't

1600
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:15,680
Speaker 1: compete with the Grammy is. She pressed the Grammys on

1601
01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:16,920
Speaker 1: the right and like she while she was in the

1602
01:34:16,960 --> 01:34:19,600
Speaker 1: egg carpet, she pressed her face up against it and

1603
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:23,879
Speaker 1: was like she was like she was trying to herself

1604
01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:28,360
Speaker 1: so funny. I love it, Um, guys. I'm a little sad.

1605
01:34:29,200 --> 01:34:32,040
Speaker 1: Why about what? Because I my instinct was to be

1606
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:36,160
Speaker 1: like right, just towards like Taylor Swift about this thing,

1607
01:34:36,240 --> 01:34:38,880
Speaker 1: and I feel I fear that, like and I'm like

1608
01:34:39,160 --> 01:34:42,320
Speaker 1: talking about how like social like like I feel like

1609
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:48,040
Speaker 1: I don't know about this whole situation as dimmed. Well

1610
01:34:48,240 --> 01:34:50,800
Speaker 1: that first of all, I don't know it'll be over soon.

1611
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:53,519
Speaker 1: And second of all, this was and I don't think so, honey,

1612
01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:57,519
Speaker 1: sandwich with pop star activism, bread and a fun little

1613
01:35:01,160 --> 01:35:05,200
Speaker 1: freedis metal. I think that the the message of this

1614
01:35:05,240 --> 01:35:07,240
Speaker 1: ad't mit, honey, is we expect more of our girls

1615
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:10,639
Speaker 1: we do know here. No, I mean this very serious.

1616
01:35:11,320 --> 01:35:14,560
Speaker 1: If you are a pop star who is going to

1617
01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:20,080
Speaker 1: adopt a socially progressive platform to sell an album such

1618
01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:25,000
Speaker 1: as for every fucking album, yes you can't use feminism

1619
01:35:25,080 --> 01:35:28,360
Speaker 1: and pop feminism to sell white feminism at that and

1620
01:35:28,439 --> 01:35:33,759
Speaker 1: for that matter, yes, white feminism squad goals your token.

1621
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:36,879
Speaker 1: We were But when and I went to that telesip

1622
01:35:36,920 --> 01:35:39,320
Speaker 1: concert and Zodubook came trotting out and we knew she

1623
01:35:39,439 --> 01:35:42,240
Speaker 1: was the token, and we looked at each other. I

1624
01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:47,080
Speaker 1: want to end on this. Kelly Clarkson called Donald Trump repulsive.

1625
01:35:48,439 --> 01:35:52,360
Speaker 1: Thank you, Kelly, You've always been my number one girl. Guys.

1626
01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:57,599
Speaker 1: They think I think you're perfect. I think you guys,

1627
01:35:57,680 --> 01:36:02,080
Speaker 1: are amazing. You're the most perfect. I think that you're beautiful,

1628
01:36:02,200 --> 01:36:04,000
Speaker 1: and I think you're using your powers for good. And

1629
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:12,519
Speaker 1: I think God fucking blessed God, La Praise Buddha, Praise Shiva,

1630
01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:16,880
Speaker 1: Vishnu and all of God herself and God herself, you

1631
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:20,880
Speaker 1: have amazing success. Now, this has been the last Coast

1632
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:24,120
Speaker 1: Races podcast. We're gonna be missing you, guys. We're gonna

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01:36:24,120 --> 01:36:26,160
Speaker 1: be taking a little bit of a break. But b

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Speaker 1: and I hope you have a wonderful time. And I

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01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:29,559
Speaker 1: hope you have a wonderful time. Oh, I'm gonna get

1636
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:31,400
Speaker 1: my life on the fucking Revenge of the Mind. I'm

1637
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:33,800
Speaker 1: gonna get my right on the tron ride. Honey, girl,

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01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:37,280
Speaker 1: you better send me. I'll send you. I'll reviews and

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Speaker 1: photos and videos FaceTime. Are you doing on ride video? No,

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01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:49,000
Speaker 1: that's so, I don't think so. Thanks guys. By This

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