1 00:00:15,476 --> 00:00:15,916 Speaker 1: Pushkin. 2 00:00:22,236 --> 00:00:25,076 Speaker 2: In northern California, fires are fairly common. 3 00:00:25,076 --> 00:00:28,916 Speaker 1: This psychology PhD student Michelle Hasty Thompson. 4 00:00:28,716 --> 00:00:31,476 Speaker 2: And so when I heard that there was a fire, 5 00:00:31,516 --> 00:00:33,916 Speaker 2: it didn't seem that close, and so was nothing that 6 00:00:33,956 --> 00:00:37,436 Speaker 2: caused me any concern. It's like, oh, okay, another fire, whatever, 7 00:00:37,556 --> 00:00:38,436 Speaker 2: that's what we do here. 8 00:00:38,556 --> 00:00:41,596 Speaker 1: But Michelle's calm attitude on that fateful November morning in 9 00:00:41,596 --> 00:00:44,956 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen wouldn't last. She was getting her son Rome 10 00:00:45,036 --> 00:00:47,876 Speaker 1: ready for his usual daycare drop off when she noticed 11 00:00:47,876 --> 00:00:50,716 Speaker 1: that the sky was a bit darker than usual. With 12 00:00:50,796 --> 00:00:53,156 Speaker 1: her husband already at work on the other side of town, 13 00:00:53,516 --> 00:00:56,636 Speaker 1: Michelle called to compare notes and figure out how concerned 14 00:00:56,636 --> 00:00:57,156 Speaker 1: they should be. 15 00:00:57,636 --> 00:00:59,796 Speaker 2: You know, do I need to evacuate? Is this serious? 16 00:00:59,836 --> 00:01:01,956 Speaker 2: He said, no, I'm on my way to you. You 17 00:01:02,036 --> 00:01:04,596 Speaker 2: stay there fires on this side of the town, so 18 00:01:04,956 --> 00:01:05,516 Speaker 2: you're fine. 19 00:01:05,756 --> 00:01:10,036 Speaker 1: But then Michelle got an unexpected notification's daycare was closing 20 00:01:10,036 --> 00:01:11,876 Speaker 1: for the day because of the fire. 21 00:01:12,276 --> 00:01:14,156 Speaker 2: I was like, well, this must be serious that the 22 00:01:14,236 --> 00:01:16,756 Speaker 2: daycare close, And then I looked outside. It was about 23 00:01:16,836 --> 00:01:19,556 Speaker 2: nine am and it was black as midnight. I mean 24 00:01:19,596 --> 00:01:22,036 Speaker 2: there was no light in the whole sky and it 25 00:01:22,076 --> 00:01:24,036 Speaker 2: was eerily quiet. 26 00:01:23,876 --> 00:01:26,396 Speaker 1: Home alone with her two dogs and a young toddler. 27 00:01:26,796 --> 00:01:28,636 Speaker 1: Michelle began to panic and. 28 00:01:28,716 --> 00:01:32,076 Speaker 2: All I could hear was pro paane tanks exploding. But 29 00:01:32,116 --> 00:01:35,436 Speaker 2: there was no sirens, there was no evacuation warnings, there 30 00:01:35,476 --> 00:01:38,516 Speaker 2: was no text coming through, there was no communication as 31 00:01:38,516 --> 00:01:40,356 Speaker 2: to what was going on. But my body kind of 32 00:01:40,396 --> 00:01:41,516 Speaker 2: said you need to go. 33 00:01:41,956 --> 00:01:44,196 Speaker 1: She called her husband back and he's like, I'm on 34 00:01:44,276 --> 00:01:44,636 Speaker 1: my way. 35 00:01:44,716 --> 00:01:46,436 Speaker 2: I said, I don't know. I don't feel safe. I'm 36 00:01:46,436 --> 00:01:48,476 Speaker 2: just going to take Rome and the dogs and get 37 00:01:48,516 --> 00:01:50,356 Speaker 2: out of here. And so he said, just, you know, 38 00:01:50,396 --> 00:01:52,396 Speaker 2: grab the contents of the safe and grab some of 39 00:01:52,436 --> 00:01:54,996 Speaker 2: my paintings because he's an artist. And that is literally 40 00:01:55,116 --> 00:01:57,516 Speaker 2: all I grabbed, nothing else, and I got out of 41 00:01:57,556 --> 00:01:59,836 Speaker 2: there as quickly as possible. It was very scary. 42 00:02:00,116 --> 00:02:03,036 Speaker 1: Michelle corrowed the dogs into the car, buckled in her son, 43 00:02:03,156 --> 00:02:04,636 Speaker 1: and began driving out of town. 44 00:02:04,996 --> 00:02:07,036 Speaker 2: I'm at the bottom of the town and I looked 45 00:02:07,156 --> 00:02:10,076 Speaker 2: up and it was just straight cars as far as 46 00:02:10,116 --> 00:02:12,716 Speaker 2: you can see. My sister in law was only thirty 47 00:02:12,756 --> 00:02:14,636 Speaker 2: minutes behind me, and she sent me a picture and 48 00:02:14,676 --> 00:02:17,236 Speaker 2: the fire was on the road. What I just drove on, 49 00:02:17,836 --> 00:02:21,996 Speaker 2: traveling that quickly turns out the fire completely trapped everybody 50 00:02:22,076 --> 00:02:23,636 Speaker 2: in the town, so I was very lucky to get 51 00:02:23,636 --> 00:02:24,436 Speaker 2: out when I did. 52 00:02:24,916 --> 00:02:28,116 Speaker 1: The fire would later become known as the Campfire, the 53 00:02:28,196 --> 00:02:32,676 Speaker 1: deadliest and most destructive wildfire in California history. It burned 54 00:02:32,716 --> 00:02:36,036 Speaker 1: for two weeks straight, destroying nearly all of Michelle's town 55 00:02:36,156 --> 00:02:40,156 Speaker 1: of Paradise, California. More than fifty thousand people were displaced, 56 00:02:40,436 --> 00:02:42,716 Speaker 1: and over eighty people lost their lives. 57 00:02:43,036 --> 00:02:44,676 Speaker 2: I got out and I was safe, but my husband 58 00:02:44,716 --> 00:02:46,676 Speaker 2: and my in laws were all trapped all day. I 59 00:02:46,716 --> 00:02:49,836 Speaker 2: had no idea if they were going to make it out. Luckily, 60 00:02:49,956 --> 00:02:52,236 Speaker 2: everybody did and we were all safe. But we did 61 00:02:52,276 --> 00:02:56,116 Speaker 2: lose everything. We lost all of our homes. We were renters, 62 00:02:56,476 --> 00:02:58,716 Speaker 2: so no insurance because they don't give you insurance and 63 00:02:58,756 --> 00:03:01,676 Speaker 2: fire towns, and it was a really difficult process to 64 00:03:01,716 --> 00:03:02,396 Speaker 2: rebuild from that. 65 00:03:03,036 --> 00:03:05,236 Speaker 1: How do you cope when you and all your family 66 00:03:05,236 --> 00:03:07,956 Speaker 1: and friends have lost everything, when the town that you 67 00:03:08,036 --> 00:03:11,036 Speaker 1: loved and called home is now gone, when you need 68 00:03:11,036 --> 00:03:13,636 Speaker 1: to start life over and build a totally new community 69 00:03:13,636 --> 00:03:17,796 Speaker 1: from scratch, would you turn to religion or philosophy. Well, 70 00:03:17,916 --> 00:03:21,636 Speaker 1: Michelle turned to an unexpected solution, one that she knew 71 00:03:21,716 --> 00:03:24,876 Speaker 1: could help her find connection and community during this tough time. 72 00:03:25,396 --> 00:03:31,156 Speaker 1: What was Michelle's unexpected coping mechanism. Well, it was cornhole. Yes, 73 00:03:31,356 --> 00:03:33,036 Speaker 1: you heard that right, cornhole. 74 00:03:33,276 --> 00:03:37,436 Speaker 2: Beanbag sas beedbag tas Okay, yeah, and so it really 75 00:03:37,516 --> 00:03:39,236 Speaker 2: is like there's a board with a hole and you're 76 00:03:39,236 --> 00:03:40,916 Speaker 2: trying to get the bean bag in the hole. 77 00:03:41,036 --> 00:03:41,236 Speaker 3: Yep. 78 00:03:42,596 --> 00:03:45,916 Speaker 1: Michelle, who goes by the Instagram handle of cornhole Niche, 79 00:03:46,196 --> 00:03:48,756 Speaker 1: is more than just a fan of cornhole. The lawn 80 00:03:48,836 --> 00:03:52,116 Speaker 1: game is also the topic of her psychology PhD dissertation. 81 00:03:52,716 --> 00:03:56,076 Speaker 1: In her thesis, Michelle argues that cornhole is a surprisingly 82 00:03:56,116 --> 00:03:59,436 Speaker 1: powerful way to create connection and community, a benefit she 83 00:03:59,516 --> 00:04:03,796 Speaker 1: experienced firsthand long before she lost everything in that Paradise fire. 84 00:04:04,196 --> 00:04:07,116 Speaker 2: Cornhole was the thing, Like our garage was open, everybody 85 00:04:07,156 --> 00:04:08,356 Speaker 2: came over, we threw bags. 86 00:04:08,556 --> 00:04:11,116 Speaker 1: Cornhole was Michelle and her husband's go to activity for 87 00:04:11,196 --> 00:04:13,716 Speaker 1: bonding with old friends and connecting with new ones. 88 00:04:14,116 --> 00:04:15,996 Speaker 2: It just breaks the eyes, you know, not just sitting 89 00:04:15,996 --> 00:04:18,956 Speaker 2: staring at each other hoping conversation comes up. And so 90 00:04:19,036 --> 00:04:21,236 Speaker 2: it made it easy to kind of invite people, Hey, 91 00:04:21,276 --> 00:04:22,996 Speaker 2: you want to come over and throw some bags? And 92 00:04:23,036 --> 00:04:24,676 Speaker 2: so I've really found it to be that sort of 93 00:04:24,796 --> 00:04:27,036 Speaker 2: connector in all different aspects of life. 94 00:04:27,156 --> 00:04:29,316 Speaker 1: And so with a new home to settle into, a 95 00:04:29,356 --> 00:04:31,836 Speaker 1: new routine to adjust to, and a new community to 96 00:04:31,876 --> 00:04:34,556 Speaker 1: get to know, Michelle and her husband knew they could 97 00:04:34,556 --> 00:04:36,436 Speaker 1: rely on this one familiar tool. 98 00:04:36,836 --> 00:04:40,796 Speaker 2: We built new boards and got some bags, and then 99 00:04:40,876 --> 00:04:42,876 Speaker 2: when we would be out, we would invite people to 100 00:04:42,916 --> 00:04:45,956 Speaker 2: come play cornhole with us. And then ultimately we decided 101 00:04:45,996 --> 00:04:48,076 Speaker 2: to start our own club because there wasn't one in 102 00:04:48,116 --> 00:04:48,716 Speaker 2: our county. 103 00:04:48,916 --> 00:04:51,596 Speaker 1: Turns out, Michelle wasn't the only person in the area 104 00:04:51,716 --> 00:04:53,156 Speaker 1: who was stoked about cornhole. 105 00:04:53,596 --> 00:04:56,756 Speaker 2: Our very first night of our very first cornhole club, 106 00:04:56,796 --> 00:04:59,356 Speaker 2: where we don't have a big community here that we know, 107 00:04:59,876 --> 00:05:02,996 Speaker 2: we had sixty people. We were like, WHOA, that's a 108 00:05:02,996 --> 00:05:05,076 Speaker 2: lot of people that came and they don't even know 109 00:05:05,116 --> 00:05:07,636 Speaker 2: who we are. We built that club up to over 110 00:05:07,676 --> 00:05:09,996 Speaker 2: one hundred people on a Wednesday night weekly, so it 111 00:05:10,036 --> 00:05:13,796 Speaker 2: got really big and it created this entire family. We 112 00:05:14,036 --> 00:05:17,836 Speaker 2: definitely felt like we had our people very quickly after 113 00:05:17,876 --> 00:05:21,556 Speaker 2: our very tragic situation where we completely lost everything, and 114 00:05:22,036 --> 00:05:23,916 Speaker 2: it would be really easy to get stuck in that 115 00:05:23,996 --> 00:05:27,116 Speaker 2: and isolate yourself and just feel like, why did this happen? 116 00:05:27,156 --> 00:05:29,636 Speaker 2: To me and why was my town taken? And why 117 00:05:29,716 --> 00:05:32,916 Speaker 2: was my community taken? And it was easy just to go, Okay, well, 118 00:05:32,916 --> 00:05:35,156 Speaker 2: this is our new friends, our new family, our new community, 119 00:05:35,276 --> 00:05:36,476 Speaker 2: and we're thriving. 120 00:05:36,356 --> 00:05:38,916 Speaker 1: All thanks to an outdoor game with a goofy name. 121 00:05:39,316 --> 00:05:42,156 Speaker 1: But is tossing bean bags really all that different from 122 00:05:42,196 --> 00:05:46,236 Speaker 1: any other social activity? Michelle certainly thinks so, and in 123 00:05:46,276 --> 00:05:49,396 Speaker 1: this final episode of the Happiness Lab season on Creative 124 00:05:49,396 --> 00:05:53,356 Speaker 1: Ways to Cope, we'll find out why. If you've ever 125 00:05:53,396 --> 00:05:56,716 Speaker 1: been to a backyard barbecue or college tailgate, you might 126 00:05:56,756 --> 00:06:00,156 Speaker 1: already know how cornhole works. For those of you who haven't, 127 00:06:00,236 --> 00:06:03,076 Speaker 1: here's a quick rundown. The game involves a pair of 128 00:06:03,116 --> 00:06:05,916 Speaker 1: wooden boards, each with a circular hole near the top, 129 00:06:06,316 --> 00:06:09,796 Speaker 1: and a set of four square bean bags. Are simple 130 00:06:10,316 --> 00:06:13,236 Speaker 1: tassa bag toward the board, aim for the hole, and 131 00:06:13,276 --> 00:06:15,636 Speaker 1: score points if the bag lands on the board, or 132 00:06:15,676 --> 00:06:18,636 Speaker 1: even better, if it falls through the hole. The name 133 00:06:18,716 --> 00:06:21,676 Speaker 1: cornhole comes from what used to fill the bags. Yes, 134 00:06:21,836 --> 00:06:24,236 Speaker 1: back in the day, it was dried corn kernels. I 135 00:06:24,236 --> 00:06:25,836 Speaker 1: don't know they still sell like that, but they did. 136 00:06:25,836 --> 00:06:27,876 Speaker 1: When we first started. We would lean them outside and 137 00:06:27,916 --> 00:06:29,276 Speaker 1: the rats would eat them. And we have to keep 138 00:06:29,276 --> 00:06:31,076 Speaker 1: replacing them over and were and over. It was a 139 00:06:31,116 --> 00:06:34,756 Speaker 1: whole thing. The origin story of cornhole is still hotly debated. 140 00:06:34,956 --> 00:06:37,276 Speaker 2: There are so many stories. I honestly have no idea 141 00:06:37,316 --> 00:06:38,396 Speaker 2: which one is true. 142 00:06:38,556 --> 00:06:42,356 Speaker 1: One popular theory traces cornhole back to fourteenth century Germany. 143 00:06:42,596 --> 00:06:44,956 Speaker 1: Some even suggest the game's roots go all the way 144 00:06:44,956 --> 00:06:47,596 Speaker 1: back to antiquity, but the version of cornhole we know 145 00:06:47,676 --> 00:06:51,236 Speaker 1: today seems to have emerged from Cincinnati, Ohio in the 146 00:06:51,276 --> 00:06:52,356 Speaker 1: mid nineteen hundreds. 147 00:06:52,556 --> 00:06:54,116 Speaker 2: You're going to find it in the places that have 148 00:06:54,196 --> 00:06:56,116 Speaker 2: a lot of land and maybe not a lot of 149 00:06:56,116 --> 00:06:56,756 Speaker 2: stuff to do. 150 00:06:57,116 --> 00:06:59,436 Speaker 1: Michelle's entry into the sport that would later change her 151 00:06:59,476 --> 00:07:02,236 Speaker 1: life started off unremarkably enough. Yeah. 152 00:07:02,276 --> 00:07:05,196 Speaker 2: I think I started just like everybody else, at someone's backyard, 153 00:07:05,276 --> 00:07:07,436 Speaker 2: just at a barbecue or a party, and never really 154 00:07:07,436 --> 00:07:09,796 Speaker 2: thought much of it because I was horrible, So you 155 00:07:09,796 --> 00:07:12,316 Speaker 2: don't think, oh, I'm gonna like make this my career. 156 00:07:12,596 --> 00:07:15,476 Speaker 2: It's just this fun thing that you do, right, And 157 00:07:15,836 --> 00:07:18,276 Speaker 2: I didn't really get into it until my husband was 158 00:07:18,316 --> 00:07:21,476 Speaker 2: really into it and I realized if I didn't start playing, 159 00:07:21,516 --> 00:07:24,116 Speaker 2: I was never gonna see him. So that's when I 160 00:07:24,116 --> 00:07:27,636 Speaker 2: actually started competing. Was to connect with him, and also 161 00:07:27,716 --> 00:07:30,596 Speaker 2: it was something to do in that sort of elusive 162 00:07:30,836 --> 00:07:34,396 Speaker 2: five to eight pm right like after work you just 163 00:07:34,516 --> 00:07:37,116 Speaker 2: mostly would watch TV or something like that, but he 164 00:07:37,116 --> 00:07:39,636 Speaker 2: would want to go outside and throw bags, and it 165 00:07:39,676 --> 00:07:42,916 Speaker 2: got us in that, you know, side by side type 166 00:07:42,916 --> 00:07:47,076 Speaker 2: of configuration to have conversation. So that was a way 167 00:07:47,076 --> 00:07:48,076 Speaker 2: that we really connected. 168 00:07:48,276 --> 00:07:51,156 Speaker 1: At first, Michelle just played casually, but a few tips 169 00:07:51,156 --> 00:07:54,076 Speaker 1: from her spouse got her thinking more competitively, and. 170 00:07:54,076 --> 00:07:57,796 Speaker 2: I saw an instant change in my results, and I thought, wow, 171 00:07:57,876 --> 00:08:00,756 Speaker 2: if I can see an improvement that quickly with a 172 00:08:00,796 --> 00:08:03,756 Speaker 2: little tweak, that means I might actually be able to 173 00:08:03,796 --> 00:08:04,476 Speaker 2: get good at this. 174 00:08:04,796 --> 00:08:07,676 Speaker 1: And it turns out some people are really good at cornhole. 175 00:08:07,996 --> 00:08:10,836 Speaker 1: One of the things I did not realize, embarrassingly maybe 176 00:08:10,916 --> 00:08:12,636 Speaker 1: until I get interested in your work, is that this 177 00:08:12,716 --> 00:08:14,356 Speaker 1: isn't just like the kind of thing people do in 178 00:08:14,396 --> 00:08:17,436 Speaker 1: their backyards. This is actually a professional sport. 179 00:08:17,996 --> 00:08:20,796 Speaker 2: You're not alone, and I'm not alone. Okay, Yeah, I 180 00:08:20,836 --> 00:08:22,796 Speaker 2: travel all the time, so I always talk to people 181 00:08:22,836 --> 00:08:25,236 Speaker 2: at the airport and they're like, I'm sorry, what you're 182 00:08:25,276 --> 00:08:27,116 Speaker 2: going to be on ESPN? Excuse me. 183 00:08:27,556 --> 00:08:29,716 Speaker 1: The game started getting a lot of attention in twenty 184 00:08:29,756 --> 00:08:32,076 Speaker 1: twenty for a rather obvious reason. 185 00:08:32,356 --> 00:08:34,956 Speaker 2: So the boards are going to be twenty seven feet apart, 186 00:08:35,116 --> 00:08:37,436 Speaker 2: so that's quite a distance of ways. So this really 187 00:08:37,436 --> 00:08:41,676 Speaker 2: sets it up to explode during COVID because it's naturally 188 00:08:41,756 --> 00:08:44,796 Speaker 2: socially distanced. So it was one of the only sports 189 00:08:44,836 --> 00:08:47,036 Speaker 2: on TV in twenty twenty for a period of time there, 190 00:08:47,036 --> 00:08:49,116 Speaker 2: which is how it grew so fast. It was just 191 00:08:49,156 --> 00:08:51,236 Speaker 2: the four players out there, and then you have your 192 00:08:51,236 --> 00:08:54,196 Speaker 2: two broadcasters obviously set aways, and that's the only people 193 00:08:54,196 --> 00:08:54,956 Speaker 2: in the room. Really. 194 00:08:55,356 --> 00:08:58,196 Speaker 1: The big leagues of beanbags, as it were, are run 195 00:08:58,276 --> 00:09:02,436 Speaker 1: by the ACL, the American Cornhole League ACL. Pro players 196 00:09:02,476 --> 00:09:05,636 Speaker 1: earn sponsorships and compete in tournaments all over the world. 197 00:09:05,956 --> 00:09:08,196 Speaker 2: What it elevates to that next level is when you 198 00:09:08,236 --> 00:09:10,836 Speaker 2: start to see all the craziness these pros can do. 199 00:09:10,916 --> 00:09:13,316 Speaker 2: They push, they cut, they roll, they air mail. 200 00:09:13,676 --> 00:09:16,716 Speaker 1: For the uninitiated like me, these are all just advanced 201 00:09:16,716 --> 00:09:18,836 Speaker 1: techniques for getting the bag into the hole. 202 00:09:19,036 --> 00:09:21,556 Speaker 2: I mean they block. And I think what's fun about 203 00:09:21,596 --> 00:09:23,996 Speaker 2: the game in terms of a spectator is it does 204 00:09:24,076 --> 00:09:27,156 Speaker 2: have defense. You can play an entire defensive game. You 205 00:09:27,196 --> 00:09:30,076 Speaker 2: can just try to force your opponent to miss, and 206 00:09:30,116 --> 00:09:32,076 Speaker 2: I think that's a fun way that the game gets 207 00:09:32,156 --> 00:09:34,436 Speaker 2: really interesting to watch and you get to see all 208 00:09:34,476 --> 00:09:35,796 Speaker 2: the different strategy. 209 00:09:35,836 --> 00:09:39,076 Speaker 1: And Michelle was especially excited to help cornhole players master 210 00:09:39,156 --> 00:09:42,916 Speaker 1: one particular aspect of strategy, the psychological side of the game. 211 00:09:43,156 --> 00:09:46,516 Speaker 2: I did food psychology. I worked with the mental part 212 00:09:46,556 --> 00:09:49,396 Speaker 2: of weight and food, so obviously coming from the world 213 00:09:49,476 --> 00:09:52,636 Speaker 2: of psychology, it didn't take long for me to realize 214 00:09:52,636 --> 00:09:55,236 Speaker 2: that this was more mental than physical once you get 215 00:09:55,276 --> 00:09:58,756 Speaker 2: past the initial mechanics. Similar to golf, right, it's a 216 00:09:58,756 --> 00:10:01,836 Speaker 2: slow paced game, and as you know, the more time 217 00:10:01,916 --> 00:10:04,556 Speaker 2: you have to think, the more dangerous the mind can be. 218 00:10:05,036 --> 00:10:08,076 Speaker 2: As opposed to a reactionary sport. Right, you're playing football, 219 00:10:08,116 --> 00:10:11,596 Speaker 2: basketball time to think. You completely rely on training. You 220 00:10:11,676 --> 00:10:14,156 Speaker 2: don't have a choice. Well, as much as I tell 221 00:10:14,196 --> 00:10:17,036 Speaker 2: my cornhole players to rely on their training, their brain 222 00:10:17,116 --> 00:10:19,716 Speaker 2: can take over and be like, well, I better make 223 00:10:19,716 --> 00:10:21,396 Speaker 2: this bag. If I don't make this bag, it's gonna 224 00:10:21,396 --> 00:10:23,556 Speaker 2: be bad. I'm gonna lose like all that stuff. So 225 00:10:24,236 --> 00:10:28,196 Speaker 2: the mental perspective became really interesting to me, and I 226 00:10:28,396 --> 00:10:31,316 Speaker 2: basically started just applying the same things I was teaching 227 00:10:31,316 --> 00:10:35,076 Speaker 2: people with Weight and Food to cornhole. It's about presence, 228 00:10:35,076 --> 00:10:38,836 Speaker 2: it's about mindfulness. It's about breathing, body awareness. You're thinking, 229 00:10:38,836 --> 00:10:41,036 Speaker 2: you're limiting beliefs, all of that. All the things I 230 00:10:41,036 --> 00:10:42,556 Speaker 2: taught there, I just brought over here. 231 00:10:43,116 --> 00:10:45,716 Speaker 1: And so your path to taking part in the sport 232 00:10:45,836 --> 00:10:48,116 Speaker 1: was not just kind of helping cornhole players play better 233 00:10:48,156 --> 00:10:51,476 Speaker 1: at using your psychology training. You also became a cornhole announcer. 234 00:10:52,076 --> 00:10:54,636 Speaker 2: Tony steps up to the board. He looks like he's 235 00:10:54,636 --> 00:10:56,596 Speaker 2: going to start off with a block. That's a perfect 236 00:10:56,676 --> 00:10:59,716 Speaker 2: block right in front of the hole. It's funny because 237 00:11:00,036 --> 00:11:02,276 Speaker 2: you know, as a kid, I did musical theater as 238 00:11:02,316 --> 00:11:03,956 Speaker 2: a seven year old. I wanted to be a singer 239 00:11:04,436 --> 00:11:08,276 Speaker 2: that died quickly, but I definitely loved being in front 240 00:11:08,276 --> 00:11:11,316 Speaker 2: of a microphone. So it's going to make it harder 241 00:11:11,516 --> 00:11:13,916 Speaker 2: for Mark to be able to slide his bag in 242 00:11:13,996 --> 00:11:16,796 Speaker 2: and could kick off right. Bag kicks off right. Tony 243 00:11:16,796 --> 00:11:20,516 Speaker 2: should be able to clean this up, get to I 244 00:11:20,756 --> 00:11:23,636 Speaker 2: like to perform like that's the theater geek and me still, 245 00:11:24,196 --> 00:11:27,596 Speaker 2: and so I always saw myself being on a mic 246 00:11:27,716 --> 00:11:29,716 Speaker 2: or in front of people. I like to speak things 247 00:11:29,756 --> 00:11:32,436 Speaker 2: like that. Never did I think to be a commentator. 248 00:11:32,716 --> 00:11:36,876 Speaker 2: But I had started a girl's cornhall podcast and acl 249 00:11:36,916 --> 00:11:38,596 Speaker 2: heard it and then asked me to come on board 250 00:11:38,596 --> 00:11:40,956 Speaker 2: because they need a female voice, and that's kind of 251 00:11:40,996 --> 00:11:42,996 Speaker 2: where it went from there, and the sideline reporting came 252 00:11:43,116 --> 00:11:43,636 Speaker 2: after that. 253 00:11:43,956 --> 00:11:45,956 Speaker 1: Seems like you've become a bit of a big celebrity 254 00:11:45,956 --> 00:11:47,036 Speaker 1: in a very tiny world. 255 00:11:47,236 --> 00:11:49,996 Speaker 2: That's exactly it, in a very small world. 256 00:11:50,476 --> 00:11:53,036 Speaker 1: But Michelle got more than small world glory out of 257 00:11:53,036 --> 00:11:55,436 Speaker 1: her love of the sport. When we get back from 258 00:11:55,476 --> 00:11:58,636 Speaker 1: the break, we'll dig into the surprising psychological benefits of 259 00:11:58,676 --> 00:12:01,516 Speaker 1: cornhole and why what looks like a simple lawn game 260 00:12:01,756 --> 00:12:04,596 Speaker 1: might be the key to greater presence play and even 261 00:12:04,716 --> 00:12:15,036 Speaker 1: self compassion. The Happiness Lab will be right back. A 262 00:12:15,116 --> 00:12:18,796 Speaker 1: recent poll from the American Psychological Association found that seventy 263 00:12:18,836 --> 00:12:21,596 Speaker 1: six percent of US adults are so stressed that it's 264 00:12:21,596 --> 00:12:26,596 Speaker 1: affecting their health, leading to things like headaches, fatigue, anxiety, depression, 265 00:12:26,756 --> 00:12:29,316 Speaker 1: and trouble sleeping. I know that when I hit a 266 00:12:29,356 --> 00:12:31,676 Speaker 1: point of extreme stress, I just want to shut off 267 00:12:31,676 --> 00:12:34,036 Speaker 1: my brain, and that's when I tend to reach for 268 00:12:34,156 --> 00:12:37,756 Speaker 1: mindless scrolling, even though I know that it usually amplifies 269 00:12:37,796 --> 00:12:40,956 Speaker 1: my stress rather than fixing it. But researchers have found 270 00:12:40,996 --> 00:12:43,156 Speaker 1: that there's one powerful way to reduce stress that we 271 00:12:43,236 --> 00:12:47,396 Speaker 1: often forget about. That stress remedy is simply having fun. 272 00:12:48,116 --> 00:12:53,076 Speaker 1: Professional American Cornhole League announcer Cornhole Niche aka Michelle Thompson 273 00:12:53,596 --> 00:12:56,756 Speaker 1: is writing her PhD dissertation on the psychological effects of 274 00:12:56,796 --> 00:13:00,716 Speaker 1: cornhole and fun is something that she thinks about a lot. 275 00:13:00,916 --> 00:13:03,836 Speaker 2: So going back to when I was in the wellness community, 276 00:13:03,956 --> 00:13:06,876 Speaker 2: I would work with mostly middle aged women and they 277 00:13:06,916 --> 00:13:08,676 Speaker 2: came to me because they were struggling with weight and 278 00:13:08,676 --> 00:13:11,476 Speaker 2: they try everything and nothing was working. They were eating healthy, 279 00:13:11,556 --> 00:13:14,156 Speaker 2: they were moving the weight wooden budget. And I would 280 00:13:14,236 --> 00:13:16,676 Speaker 2: work with them and I would immediately notice what was 281 00:13:16,756 --> 00:13:19,796 Speaker 2: lacking was play, hobbies, social, all of that. It was 282 00:13:19,836 --> 00:13:24,396 Speaker 2: like their life was just about maybe their families, their work, 283 00:13:24,996 --> 00:13:27,836 Speaker 2: and the obsession with their bodies and being thinner and 284 00:13:27,876 --> 00:13:31,116 Speaker 2: being fit. It's so easy to get sucked into that 285 00:13:31,316 --> 00:13:36,756 Speaker 2: external world when you don't have all that passionate stuff happening, 286 00:13:36,756 --> 00:13:39,436 Speaker 2: the soulful hobbies, if you will. But I didn't have 287 00:13:39,476 --> 00:13:41,916 Speaker 2: a solution back then. I just knew they needed it. 288 00:13:42,196 --> 00:13:44,956 Speaker 2: So that's why when I first started cornhole, I was like, 289 00:13:45,396 --> 00:13:49,036 Speaker 2: this is it. Instead of focusing on every calorie you 290 00:13:49,076 --> 00:13:52,436 Speaker 2: burn and everything you eat and what your body looks like. 291 00:13:52,716 --> 00:13:55,756 Speaker 2: You're going into a room with people and you're just 292 00:13:55,876 --> 00:13:58,436 Speaker 2: having fun on a Wednesday night. Don't put all your 293 00:13:58,556 --> 00:14:01,516 Speaker 2: energy into obsessing about your body. Go have some fun. 294 00:14:01,676 --> 00:14:03,356 Speaker 2: Put all the energy to trying to throw the bag 295 00:14:03,356 --> 00:14:05,036 Speaker 2: in the hole, fly out theer. 296 00:14:05,196 --> 00:14:08,836 Speaker 1: It makes sense that Michelle made this connection. Psychologically speaking, 297 00:14:09,156 --> 00:14:11,676 Speaker 1: the most effective fun activities tend to be ones that 298 00:14:11,716 --> 00:14:15,396 Speaker 1: are social, a little physical, maybe a tad thrilling. Our 299 00:14:15,516 --> 00:14:18,676 Speaker 1: usual mindless scrolling doesn't qualify as fun in any of 300 00:14:18,716 --> 00:14:22,236 Speaker 1: these senses, And unlike screen time, true fun tends to 301 00:14:22,236 --> 00:14:25,156 Speaker 1: get us out of our heads. That low stakes challenge 302 00:14:25,156 --> 00:14:27,356 Speaker 1: of trying to land a beanbag into a hole can 303 00:14:27,396 --> 00:14:30,476 Speaker 1: help us snap out of negative self talk. Michelle seemed 304 00:14:30,516 --> 00:14:33,636 Speaker 1: so confident that cornhole was the ultimate solution to stress, 305 00:14:34,036 --> 00:14:36,476 Speaker 1: I had to check it out myself. My husband Mark 306 00:14:36,516 --> 00:14:39,956 Speaker 1: and I drove to Burlington, Massachusetts, where the Boston Cornhole 307 00:14:39,996 --> 00:14:47,156 Speaker 1: group was having their weekly tournament. All right, look at this, Oh, 308 00:14:47,196 --> 00:14:48,876 Speaker 1: this is like where it's happening. There's a bunch of 309 00:14:48,916 --> 00:14:49,556 Speaker 1: people here. 310 00:14:49,716 --> 00:14:52,316 Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know about our chances. 311 00:14:53,196 --> 00:14:55,396 Speaker 1: Mark and I did end up playing more on that later, 312 00:14:55,756 --> 00:14:57,556 Speaker 1: but we also had the chance to speak with some 313 00:14:57,636 --> 00:15:00,276 Speaker 1: of the local competitors, and a lot of them mentioned 314 00:15:00,276 --> 00:15:02,716 Speaker 1: that stress relief was their main reason for showing up 315 00:15:02,796 --> 00:15:06,356 Speaker 1: week after week. Some players even used cornhole to cope 316 00:15:06,436 --> 00:15:11,116 Speaker 1: with big life changes. Take one guy, Matt. He started 317 00:15:11,116 --> 00:15:14,436 Speaker 1: playing cornhole after joining the military and moving very far 318 00:15:14,476 --> 00:15:16,756 Speaker 1: away from home, all the way to Kuwait. 319 00:15:17,436 --> 00:15:19,676 Speaker 3: So I was deployed overseas with the army and the 320 00:15:19,796 --> 00:15:23,236 Speaker 3: USL ran cornwall tournaments every Thursday. It was a great 321 00:15:23,276 --> 00:15:26,396 Speaker 3: like reliever. It's honestly probably what I looked forward to 322 00:15:26,436 --> 00:15:29,436 Speaker 3: every week. It was very hot, the boards are very sticky. 323 00:15:29,796 --> 00:15:32,316 Speaker 3: It was like one hundred thirty degrees, so a little 324 00:15:32,356 --> 00:15:35,116 Speaker 3: bit different playing back in New England, but but yeah, 325 00:15:35,156 --> 00:15:36,116 Speaker 3: that's how I got into it. 326 00:15:36,636 --> 00:15:38,676 Speaker 1: So the stress relieving fun of the game is one 327 00:15:38,676 --> 00:15:42,476 Speaker 1: big psychological benefit. But Michelle argues that cornhole can also 328 00:15:42,516 --> 00:15:43,876 Speaker 1: make players more present. 329 00:15:44,556 --> 00:15:46,916 Speaker 2: You cannot play your best game if you're not present. 330 00:15:47,316 --> 00:15:49,676 Speaker 2: Probably my favorite part because I was a yoga teacher 331 00:15:49,716 --> 00:15:52,636 Speaker 2: for many years now. Let's not beat around the bush. 332 00:15:52,676 --> 00:15:55,796 Speaker 2: There is a component of cornhole that is connected to alcohol. 333 00:15:55,996 --> 00:15:58,156 Speaker 2: I know, we can't pretend that's not there. I know 334 00:15:58,236 --> 00:16:00,396 Speaker 2: that's not the healthiest component of cornhole. 335 00:16:00,196 --> 00:16:03,356 Speaker 1: I heard it's called throwing juice is the stressing aiming juice. 336 00:16:03,476 --> 00:16:07,276 Speaker 2: Aiming juice a juice, that's what my co collitator calls it. 337 00:16:07,356 --> 00:16:09,556 Speaker 2: So that's there, and I always tell people, Look, the 338 00:16:09,636 --> 00:16:12,636 Speaker 2: mindless state is going to be when you're consuming alcohol 339 00:16:12,716 --> 00:16:15,076 Speaker 2: and that's okay, that's what you want to do that night, 340 00:16:15,196 --> 00:16:17,196 Speaker 2: and you don't care about throwing your best. You just 341 00:16:17,196 --> 00:16:19,556 Speaker 2: want to have a few beers and throw bags, and 342 00:16:19,596 --> 00:16:21,956 Speaker 2: that's the night you want. You can have that. But 343 00:16:22,236 --> 00:16:26,196 Speaker 2: if you want to really compete, you cannot successfully do 344 00:16:26,276 --> 00:16:28,036 Speaker 2: that if you are not in the flow or the 345 00:16:28,036 --> 00:16:31,596 Speaker 2: play state, and both of those states require presence. You 346 00:16:31,796 --> 00:16:33,996 Speaker 2: have to be in the body. You have to be 347 00:16:34,036 --> 00:16:38,236 Speaker 2: aware of when your nervous system changes because it impacts 348 00:16:38,236 --> 00:16:41,996 Speaker 2: your physiology. And when you're in a game, an accuracy game, 349 00:16:42,076 --> 00:16:46,196 Speaker 2: if your physiology changes by a teeny tiny amount, your 350 00:16:46,236 --> 00:16:48,756 Speaker 2: bag is going to go somewhere else, not center. 351 00:16:48,996 --> 00:16:50,916 Speaker 1: You've also talked about how cornhole can be a way 352 00:16:50,956 --> 00:16:53,676 Speaker 1: to practice being kinder to ourselves. What do you mean 353 00:16:53,716 --> 00:16:53,956 Speaker 1: by that? 354 00:16:54,396 --> 00:16:57,396 Speaker 2: You know, as humans we're sort of meaning making machines. 355 00:16:57,796 --> 00:17:00,236 Speaker 2: So I use cornhole as a way to teach my 356 00:17:00,316 --> 00:17:03,276 Speaker 2: players not to make so much meaning out of things, 357 00:17:03,676 --> 00:17:05,916 Speaker 2: because immediately what they do is they, let's say they 358 00:17:05,916 --> 00:17:09,596 Speaker 2: miss a bag. Ugh, that means I'm off. That means 359 00:17:09,636 --> 00:17:11,996 Speaker 2: I'm horrible at this. Oh, that means I lost it. 360 00:17:12,236 --> 00:17:14,796 Speaker 2: And so I've taught them don't make meaning out of it, 361 00:17:14,876 --> 00:17:18,036 Speaker 2: because the truth is, even our top pros don't make 362 00:17:18,076 --> 00:17:20,276 Speaker 2: every bag in the hole every game. You're not going 363 00:17:20,316 --> 00:17:22,156 Speaker 2: to make every bag in the hole. But once you 364 00:17:22,196 --> 00:17:24,236 Speaker 2: make meaning out of it, well, that means I'm off, 365 00:17:24,396 --> 00:17:26,956 Speaker 2: and then they can spiral. So if we can stop 366 00:17:26,956 --> 00:17:29,196 Speaker 2: making meaning out of everything, we're going to play a 367 00:17:29,236 --> 00:17:31,876 Speaker 2: lot better. And guess what, that's pretty helpful for life 368 00:17:31,916 --> 00:17:32,636 Speaker 2: as well. 369 00:17:32,716 --> 00:17:35,476 Speaker 1: I got to see this helpful aspect of cornhole firsthand, 370 00:17:35,876 --> 00:17:38,356 Speaker 1: because even with the addition of a little aming juice, 371 00:17:38,636 --> 00:17:41,316 Speaker 1: I was pretty bad at my first cornhole attempt. I 372 00:17:41,356 --> 00:17:44,996 Speaker 1: played three rounds of games and hit the board like twice, 373 00:17:45,396 --> 00:17:49,236 Speaker 1: which was embarrassing enough. But cornhole tournaments aren't played solo. 374 00:17:49,756 --> 00:17:52,356 Speaker 1: When you show up, you get randomly paired with another player, 375 00:17:52,836 --> 00:17:56,356 Speaker 1: and my unfortunate first partner was George, who happened to 376 00:17:56,356 --> 00:18:00,396 Speaker 1: be a very very experienced player. As I continued to 377 00:18:00,396 --> 00:18:04,276 Speaker 1: with shot after shot, my meaning making mind went into overdrive. 378 00:18:04,796 --> 00:18:07,236 Speaker 1: It kept shaming me, saying that George was going to 379 00:18:07,276 --> 00:18:10,196 Speaker 1: be pissed. But when I chat with him afterwards, I 380 00:18:10,316 --> 00:18:13,996 Speaker 1: learned that all that self criticism was completely unfounded. George, 381 00:18:14,036 --> 00:18:16,716 Speaker 1: as it turns out, was totally chill about it. Thanks 382 00:18:16,716 --> 00:18:17,356 Speaker 1: for you, my partner. 383 00:18:17,596 --> 00:18:19,716 Speaker 4: Sure help you to do any comments on my cour 384 00:18:22,596 --> 00:18:25,236 Speaker 4: just you know, it takes some practice, and you know, 385 00:18:25,396 --> 00:18:27,556 Speaker 4: like anything else, it's you get to kind of feel 386 00:18:27,596 --> 00:18:30,236 Speaker 4: like it's going to go in, as opposed to when 387 00:18:30,236 --> 00:18:33,796 Speaker 4: you get too stressed, and I think it's very psychological. 388 00:18:34,636 --> 00:18:39,156 Speaker 1: Psychologists called these kinds of irrational thoughts cognitive distortions, things 389 00:18:39,196 --> 00:18:42,716 Speaker 1: like jumping to conclusions, catastrophizing, or all or nothing thinking, 390 00:18:43,236 --> 00:18:46,436 Speaker 1: And when you're thinking distorted thoughts like these, it's very 391 00:18:46,476 --> 00:18:50,436 Speaker 1: relieving to realize that your brain is lying to you. Eventually, 392 00:18:50,516 --> 00:18:53,916 Speaker 1: I switched from George to other partners, and I continued 393 00:18:53,996 --> 00:18:56,876 Speaker 1: to play like crap, but it quickly became clear that 394 00:18:56,996 --> 00:18:59,196 Speaker 1: no one seemed to care about my performance as much 395 00:18:59,196 --> 00:19:02,396 Speaker 1: as my inner critic did, And with that realization I 396 00:19:02,436 --> 00:19:06,236 Speaker 1: could finally relax and start having some fun. My husband 397 00:19:06,316 --> 00:19:08,236 Speaker 1: had a similar takeaway how'd you do. 398 00:19:09,716 --> 00:19:09,916 Speaker 3: Well? 399 00:19:09,916 --> 00:19:16,036 Speaker 5: I won the game I played against you, But other 400 00:19:16,076 --> 00:19:17,796 Speaker 5: than that, I've had a great learning experience. 401 00:19:17,956 --> 00:19:18,836 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, good. 402 00:19:21,436 --> 00:19:23,036 Speaker 1: And so it's not just making meaning though. We can 403 00:19:23,076 --> 00:19:25,756 Speaker 1: also use cornhole to kind of watch how we change 404 00:19:25,796 --> 00:19:28,636 Speaker 1: over time. You've talked about how cornhole really is a 405 00:19:28,716 --> 00:19:31,156 Speaker 1: growth sport and that can help us promote something that 406 00:19:31,196 --> 00:19:33,036 Speaker 1: we definitely know is good for happiness. This idea of 407 00:19:33,076 --> 00:19:35,436 Speaker 1: a growth mindset, like I might not be perfect, but 408 00:19:35,476 --> 00:19:37,916 Speaker 1: I'm getting better over time. I have time to improve. 409 00:19:38,556 --> 00:19:40,156 Speaker 1: Is this something you've seen in the players that you've 410 00:19:40,156 --> 00:19:40,556 Speaker 1: worked with. 411 00:19:40,796 --> 00:19:42,676 Speaker 2: Yeah, So if you come into the room and you 412 00:19:42,756 --> 00:19:45,316 Speaker 2: think I'm never going to be good at this, then 413 00:19:45,636 --> 00:19:49,116 Speaker 2: you're basically going to be set up for failure, right, 414 00:19:49,156 --> 00:19:51,476 Speaker 2: But then you walk into this room and every single 415 00:19:51,516 --> 00:19:53,916 Speaker 2: person in the room says, I was there, that's how 416 00:19:53,956 --> 00:19:56,516 Speaker 2: I threw too. You're good, You're fine. Hey, just try 417 00:19:56,596 --> 00:19:58,756 Speaker 2: kind of doing this with your hand and you see 418 00:19:58,756 --> 00:20:02,076 Speaker 2: those immediate changes and you realize, oh, my goodness, if 419 00:20:02,116 --> 00:20:05,236 Speaker 2: I actually put time into this, I might actually get better. 420 00:20:05,476 --> 00:20:07,516 Speaker 2: And if I can get better, then I can get 421 00:20:07,556 --> 00:20:09,356 Speaker 2: to a point where at least I can compete with 422 00:20:09,396 --> 00:20:12,436 Speaker 2: the people in this room, and I think as humans 423 00:20:12,836 --> 00:20:15,036 Speaker 2: we love that opportunity for quick growth. 424 00:20:15,276 --> 00:20:17,476 Speaker 1: And this idea of competition I think gets to another 425 00:20:17,516 --> 00:20:20,236 Speaker 1: benefit of cornhole, which is a kind of healthy way 426 00:20:20,276 --> 00:20:24,116 Speaker 1: to exert our competition muscles a little bit. Yeah, definitely. 427 00:20:24,316 --> 00:20:27,796 Speaker 1: I am someone who dreams big and dreams often. Maybe 428 00:20:27,836 --> 00:20:31,156 Speaker 1: other entrepreneurs can relate to this. I was like, obsessive 429 00:20:31,196 --> 00:20:33,876 Speaker 1: about competing in my business. 430 00:20:34,156 --> 00:20:36,116 Speaker 2: How going to be better? I can get more clients, 431 00:20:36,156 --> 00:20:38,796 Speaker 2: I can make more money, like just obsessive about it. 432 00:20:39,036 --> 00:20:41,916 Speaker 2: But it can be very toxic and unhealthy for me 433 00:20:42,036 --> 00:20:45,116 Speaker 2: to have a goal and then obsess about that goal 434 00:20:45,236 --> 00:20:47,676 Speaker 2: so much that I can't be present. I can't be 435 00:20:47,836 --> 00:20:51,276 Speaker 2: with my family, I can't stop thinking about achieving, and 436 00:20:51,516 --> 00:20:53,796 Speaker 2: that is not a healthy place for my mind, or 437 00:20:53,796 --> 00:20:55,316 Speaker 2: my body or the people around me. 438 00:20:55,516 --> 00:20:57,116 Speaker 1: But cornhole is a spot where you can kind of 439 00:20:57,156 --> 00:20:59,396 Speaker 1: get that kind of competition in a healthier way. 440 00:20:59,636 --> 00:21:01,756 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the reason why it works for cornhole 441 00:21:01,876 --> 00:21:04,396 Speaker 2: is because it's easy to keep it to that space, 442 00:21:04,436 --> 00:21:06,876 Speaker 2: at least for me. So if it's a you know, 443 00:21:06,916 --> 00:21:09,916 Speaker 2: a Wednesday night and I'm playing in a competition, I 444 00:21:09,956 --> 00:21:12,996 Speaker 2: can channel all that there if I want, And then 445 00:21:13,036 --> 00:21:15,436 Speaker 2: when I get home, it's over, a. 446 00:21:15,316 --> 00:21:18,476 Speaker 1: Healthy form of competition, a form of stress relief through 447 00:21:18,476 --> 00:21:21,636 Speaker 1: play and fun, an evening activity that gets you outside 448 00:21:21,676 --> 00:21:24,636 Speaker 1: and keeps you mindful and present. All of these features 449 00:21:24,676 --> 00:21:27,596 Speaker 1: of cornhole can offer a meaningful boost to our well being, 450 00:21:28,196 --> 00:21:31,596 Speaker 1: especially when times are tough. But there's still one huge 451 00:21:31,596 --> 00:21:34,396 Speaker 1: benefit of cornhole that we haven't touched on, the one 452 00:21:34,436 --> 00:21:38,396 Speaker 1: Michelle says matters most. We'll hear about that benefit, plus 453 00:21:38,436 --> 00:21:41,276 Speaker 1: a few more takeaways from my own cornhole adventure, when 454 00:21:41,276 --> 00:21:49,796 Speaker 1: the Happiness Lab returns. If you're a fan of the 455 00:21:49,796 --> 00:21:53,236 Speaker 1: Happiness Lab, you've probably already heard that social connection is 456 00:21:53,396 --> 00:21:56,836 Speaker 1: vital for happiness. The Harvard Study of Adult Development, a 457 00:21:56,836 --> 00:21:59,436 Speaker 1: longitudinal study of human health and well being that's been 458 00:21:59,476 --> 00:22:02,956 Speaker 1: ongoing for eighty six years, has found that strong relationships 459 00:22:02,996 --> 00:22:05,916 Speaker 1: are the single biggest predictor of long term mental and 460 00:22:05,956 --> 00:22:10,236 Speaker 1: physical health. Unfortunately, building those strong relationships in the modern 461 00:22:10,276 --> 00:22:13,556 Speaker 1: world can feel pretty tough, but not if you show 462 00:22:13,596 --> 00:22:16,396 Speaker 1: up at a cornhole tournament. When I visited that Boston 463 00:22:16,396 --> 00:22:19,156 Speaker 1: cornhole group, I quickly realized just how easy it is 464 00:22:19,196 --> 00:22:22,156 Speaker 1: to strike up a conversation with a total stranger when 465 00:22:22,196 --> 00:22:25,076 Speaker 1: you're tossing bags. Right beside them. I mean, there's not 466 00:22:25,116 --> 00:22:26,876 Speaker 1: a lot of spaces right now where I can show 467 00:22:26,956 --> 00:22:29,196 Speaker 1: up and just meet people, you know, from all of 468 00:22:29,236 --> 00:22:31,916 Speaker 1: the Massachusetts with all kinds of different backgrounds. 469 00:22:32,196 --> 00:22:34,396 Speaker 5: It's almost like networking, but you don't have to put 470 00:22:34,396 --> 00:22:36,956 Speaker 5: the effort in because you're next to somebody, so you 471 00:22:37,076 --> 00:22:40,076 Speaker 5: kind of are forced to do it, but not in 472 00:22:40,116 --> 00:22:42,756 Speaker 5: a bad way, in a good way. And chatting you 473 00:22:42,876 --> 00:22:44,676 Speaker 5: just chatted, Yeah, because you're next to each other for 474 00:22:44,716 --> 00:22:46,036 Speaker 5: ten fifteen minutes at a time. 475 00:22:46,516 --> 00:22:49,276 Speaker 1: I have had more interesting conversations with more interesting people 476 00:22:49,316 --> 00:22:51,716 Speaker 1: at cornhole than I'd had in a while, which made 477 00:22:51,756 --> 00:22:53,996 Speaker 1: me especially surprised to hear that lots of the folks 478 00:22:54,036 --> 00:22:56,716 Speaker 1: I spoke with at the event the bottom themselves as introverts. 479 00:22:57,156 --> 00:22:59,996 Speaker 1: This is my opponent who demolished me, ruined my score. 480 00:22:59,716 --> 00:23:02,396 Speaker 2: On the bottom for something like this. 481 00:23:02,996 --> 00:23:06,716 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry, but even after expressing his reserve, this 482 00:23:06,756 --> 00:23:08,996 Speaker 1: player stuck around and chatted with me for a while. 483 00:23:10,196 --> 00:23:13,236 Speaker 1: There's something about cornhole that makes connecting with total strangers 484 00:23:13,356 --> 00:23:17,636 Speaker 1: feel easier. Academic cornhole expert Michelle Thompson has seen this 485 00:23:17,716 --> 00:23:20,036 Speaker 1: benefit play out across all kinds of players. 486 00:23:20,356 --> 00:23:22,756 Speaker 2: Probably my favorite thing about cornhole is the way that 487 00:23:22,796 --> 00:23:26,476 Speaker 2: it connects people, but I didn't realize how powerful it 488 00:23:26,476 --> 00:23:28,516 Speaker 2: could be. And there was a player. He was a 489 00:23:28,556 --> 00:23:31,356 Speaker 2: teenager who would come to our club and he was 490 00:23:31,516 --> 00:23:34,356 Speaker 2: very shy, and he would come with his dad every 491 00:23:34,356 --> 00:23:37,956 Speaker 2: single week. And in terms of the average cornhole player, 492 00:23:37,996 --> 00:23:40,636 Speaker 2: he didn't necessarily fit the mold of what you would expect. 493 00:23:41,036 --> 00:23:44,756 Speaker 2: He was a little bit eccentric, and when he started playing, 494 00:23:45,236 --> 00:23:49,036 Speaker 2: he got fairly good, fairly quickly. And then he pulled 495 00:23:49,076 --> 00:23:52,116 Speaker 2: my husband aside and he told him that cornhole saved 496 00:23:52,116 --> 00:23:54,796 Speaker 2: his life. And the story that he shared was that 497 00:23:55,196 --> 00:23:57,596 Speaker 2: he didn't have a lot of friends, and he wasn't 498 00:23:57,676 --> 00:23:59,836 Speaker 2: super connected to his dad because they didn't have a 499 00:23:59,836 --> 00:24:03,196 Speaker 2: lot of things in common. And when they started coming 500 00:24:03,236 --> 00:24:05,596 Speaker 2: to this club, not only did he connect more with 501 00:24:05,676 --> 00:24:09,716 Speaker 2: his father, he found this family that completely accepted him 502 00:24:09,716 --> 00:24:13,396 Speaker 2: exactly as he was. It didn't matter that he's interested 503 00:24:13,436 --> 00:24:16,036 Speaker 2: in other things that we're not interested. It didn't matter 504 00:24:16,436 --> 00:24:19,076 Speaker 2: that everybody there was probably twice his age. None of 505 00:24:19,116 --> 00:24:21,476 Speaker 2: that mattered. And now it's really fun to watch him 506 00:24:21,516 --> 00:24:24,476 Speaker 2: because he's older now, so he's taken jobs out of 507 00:24:24,476 --> 00:24:27,196 Speaker 2: town and he'll come back and play whenever he's in town, 508 00:24:27,236 --> 00:24:30,996 Speaker 2: and he's just a completely different person. He's won one 509 00:24:31,076 --> 00:24:34,716 Speaker 2: hundred percent himself. It just seems like he's so comfortable 510 00:24:34,716 --> 00:24:36,276 Speaker 2: in his skin, and that was not the way it 511 00:24:36,356 --> 00:24:37,396 Speaker 2: was when he first started. 512 00:24:37,556 --> 00:24:39,836 Speaker 1: And the seems in part because cornhole is this unique 513 00:24:39,876 --> 00:24:42,756 Speaker 1: sport when it comes to kind of connecting with other individuals, 514 00:24:42,756 --> 00:24:45,756 Speaker 1: talk about the ways that cornhole uniquely allows us to connect. 515 00:24:46,036 --> 00:24:48,156 Speaker 2: The way that most of these clubs set it up 516 00:24:48,236 --> 00:24:51,676 Speaker 2: is it's a swap, which means you're randomly paired with 517 00:24:51,716 --> 00:24:54,516 Speaker 2: four people and you play a game with each person, 518 00:24:54,876 --> 00:24:57,156 Speaker 2: and so you have four different partners. That's four different 519 00:24:57,156 --> 00:25:01,316 Speaker 2: connections that you build and you're working together. Now you 520 00:25:01,356 --> 00:25:03,756 Speaker 2: also have your opponent directly next to you that you're 521 00:25:03,756 --> 00:25:06,836 Speaker 2: probably talking to as well. And so now you've met 522 00:25:06,876 --> 00:25:10,436 Speaker 2: eight people, right, your partners and these different opponents. And 523 00:25:10,476 --> 00:25:12,396 Speaker 2: then you have a partner going into bracket and that's 524 00:25:12,476 --> 00:25:15,636 Speaker 2: another person. Now you're playing multiple games with this person, 525 00:25:15,956 --> 00:25:18,996 Speaker 2: so you build this relationship, this connection, not to mention 526 00:25:19,236 --> 00:25:22,276 Speaker 2: all the time in between games that you can connect 527 00:25:22,316 --> 00:25:25,356 Speaker 2: with these people. So you have to make friends, even 528 00:25:25,396 --> 00:25:27,956 Speaker 2: if you're sort of shy and sit in the corner 529 00:25:27,956 --> 00:25:30,476 Speaker 2: in between games. You have to play with and against 530 00:25:30,476 --> 00:25:33,356 Speaker 2: someone every time you walk up to the board, and that, 531 00:25:33,476 --> 00:25:36,596 Speaker 2: to me is what makes it so special. Is so 532 00:25:36,836 --> 00:25:39,556 Speaker 2: much time to connect in an environment. And so many 533 00:25:39,556 --> 00:25:42,516 Speaker 2: people have said, you know, I have social anxiety, I 534 00:25:42,556 --> 00:25:46,316 Speaker 2: am uncomfortable in these environments, and it still works. With cornhole, 535 00:25:46,316 --> 00:25:47,516 Speaker 2: They're able to overcome that. 536 00:25:47,796 --> 00:25:50,076 Speaker 1: And it seems like being able to overcome that allows 537 00:25:50,116 --> 00:25:52,396 Speaker 1: for something else to develop that super good for happiness, 538 00:25:52,436 --> 00:25:54,956 Speaker 1: which is the sense of community. Talk about the kind 539 00:25:54,996 --> 00:25:58,796 Speaker 1: of community that gets built, especially when people have cornhole clubs. 540 00:25:59,116 --> 00:26:02,276 Speaker 2: The community is like nothing I've ever seen. Once again, 541 00:26:02,316 --> 00:26:05,036 Speaker 2: as is someone who geeks out on psychology, this is 542 00:26:05,076 --> 00:26:07,836 Speaker 2: the stuff that like I can't help, but notice this 543 00:26:07,876 --> 00:26:11,276 Speaker 2: community comes to get there for everybody. I mean, we've 544 00:26:11,316 --> 00:26:14,196 Speaker 2: done cancer fundraisers, like someone who's in chemo, and the 545 00:26:14,196 --> 00:26:16,156 Speaker 2: people in the room don't even know the person and 546 00:26:16,196 --> 00:26:19,476 Speaker 2: they're more than willing to contribute to make this person 547 00:26:20,036 --> 00:26:22,516 Speaker 2: have an easier time and that really tough time in 548 00:26:22,556 --> 00:26:25,876 Speaker 2: their life. My brother in law unfortunately passed away a 549 00:26:25,876 --> 00:26:29,156 Speaker 2: couple of years ago unexpectedly, and the entire cornhole all 550 00:26:29,196 --> 00:26:31,916 Speaker 2: the clubs in the area came together to raise money 551 00:26:31,956 --> 00:26:35,436 Speaker 2: for his kids, my nephew, my niece, and my in 552 00:26:35,556 --> 00:26:37,876 Speaker 2: laws showed up to this tournament and they were blown 553 00:26:37,916 --> 00:26:39,356 Speaker 2: away at the amount of people that were in the 554 00:26:39,436 --> 00:26:42,036 Speaker 2: room and how they were all coming together to support 555 00:26:42,476 --> 00:26:46,156 Speaker 2: them and us. And I've just never seen anything like it. 556 00:26:46,636 --> 00:26:48,556 Speaker 1: We know that doing nice things for other people and 557 00:26:48,596 --> 00:26:51,196 Speaker 1: having these communities like especially during really tough times, can 558 00:26:51,236 --> 00:26:53,436 Speaker 1: be so important, but so many of us just kind 559 00:26:53,436 --> 00:26:55,676 Speaker 1: of lack this community, you know, so if something bad happens, 560 00:26:55,676 --> 00:26:58,036 Speaker 1: we don't have anyone to support us. But also means 561 00:26:58,236 --> 00:27:00,156 Speaker 1: if other people are going through tough times, we don't 562 00:27:00,156 --> 00:27:03,516 Speaker 1: have as obvious mechanisms to support them either. It seems 563 00:27:03,516 --> 00:27:05,196 Speaker 1: like one of the things that Cornhole is doing is 564 00:27:05,236 --> 00:27:07,636 Speaker 1: it's creating the kind of thing that the political scientist 565 00:27:07,716 --> 00:27:10,236 Speaker 1: Robert Putnam talked about, is a place right this place 566 00:27:10,276 --> 00:27:12,676 Speaker 1: that's not home or work, where you can get together 567 00:27:12,796 --> 00:27:16,756 Speaker 1: and form these relationships that cut across so many different things, 568 00:27:16,836 --> 00:27:19,836 Speaker 1: but kind of become a really serious community in your life. 569 00:27:20,036 --> 00:27:23,036 Speaker 2: Yeah, not just local communities are super important. There's a 570 00:27:23,036 --> 00:27:25,436 Speaker 2: lot of research on that, but I have found that 571 00:27:25,476 --> 00:27:29,116 Speaker 2: it extends so far beyond the local, and I know 572 00:27:29,396 --> 00:27:32,276 Speaker 2: that I could literally move anywhere in the US, and 573 00:27:32,316 --> 00:27:35,796 Speaker 2: I would have an instant family everywhere I go, and 574 00:27:35,876 --> 00:27:37,796 Speaker 2: it makes it so that there's no fear. It's like 575 00:27:37,836 --> 00:27:40,396 Speaker 2: we can move anywhere and we would have friends no 576 00:27:40,436 --> 00:27:41,156 Speaker 2: matter where we go. 577 00:27:41,516 --> 00:27:43,196 Speaker 1: This idea of a family, I think gets to another 578 00:27:43,276 --> 00:27:46,436 Speaker 1: social benefit of cornhole, it seems, which is that, in 579 00:27:46,476 --> 00:27:49,796 Speaker 1: a funny way, it really promotes belonging. The slogan of 580 00:27:49,836 --> 00:27:53,996 Speaker 1: the American Cornhole League is anyone can play, anyone can win. 581 00:27:54,476 --> 00:27:56,756 Speaker 1: Like it's just a like super inclusive sport. 582 00:27:57,276 --> 00:28:00,116 Speaker 2: Yeah. That's another thing that's super unique about it is 583 00:28:00,156 --> 00:28:03,716 Speaker 2: the inclusivity because the rule is just get the bag 584 00:28:03,756 --> 00:28:06,596 Speaker 2: to the board. You don't have to be athletic, you 585 00:28:06,676 --> 00:28:09,716 Speaker 2: don't have to have any experience playing any other I've 586 00:28:09,716 --> 00:28:13,676 Speaker 2: never played sports ever, so I'm a theater girl, right. 587 00:28:13,756 --> 00:28:16,556 Speaker 2: I had no athletic training and was able to pick 588 00:28:16,636 --> 00:28:18,956 Speaker 2: up this game. The cool thing is because it is 589 00:28:18,996 --> 00:28:22,316 Speaker 2: a one pound bag, there's no limitations to who can play. 590 00:28:22,396 --> 00:28:26,236 Speaker 2: So we have, for example, under eighteen players competing in 591 00:28:26,236 --> 00:28:29,876 Speaker 2: the pro field against adults. I've seen players throw on crutches. 592 00:28:30,236 --> 00:28:32,396 Speaker 2: I mean, we have players that have no arms throw 593 00:28:32,436 --> 00:28:36,196 Speaker 2: at their feet. Dayton Weber is a quadruple amputee. He 594 00:28:36,356 --> 00:28:39,156 Speaker 2: was a pro for many years. He's that good. So, 595 00:28:39,516 --> 00:28:41,716 Speaker 2: I mean, what sport can you think of where a 596 00:28:41,796 --> 00:28:44,956 Speaker 2: quadruple amputee you would be competing with people with no 597 00:28:45,036 --> 00:28:49,036 Speaker 2: disabilities at the same level. Literally anybody can play, So 598 00:28:49,596 --> 00:28:51,156 Speaker 2: now all of a sudden, you get to compete and 599 00:28:51,196 --> 00:28:53,156 Speaker 2: there's no limitations or boundaries to that. 600 00:28:53,716 --> 00:28:56,316 Speaker 1: It might seem cheesy, but I did get that feeling 601 00:28:56,316 --> 00:28:59,676 Speaker 1: of inclusivity. At the Boston Cornhole tournament. There were people 602 00:28:59,716 --> 00:29:03,836 Speaker 1: of all ages competing with totally different backgrounds, education levels, 603 00:29:03,876 --> 00:29:07,396 Speaker 1: political affiliations, but everyone just seemed to get along. 604 00:29:07,636 --> 00:29:12,956 Speaker 2: It has a different socioeconomic demographic then maybe some other sports. Right, 605 00:29:13,116 --> 00:29:15,996 Speaker 2: A set of boards you can get very inexpensive or 606 00:29:16,036 --> 00:29:19,236 Speaker 2: you can make them yourself. And bags are very inexpensive 607 00:29:19,356 --> 00:29:20,956 Speaker 2: if you don't want to go pro level, if you 608 00:29:20,996 --> 00:29:24,156 Speaker 2: just want any bags to throw. And so it's just 609 00:29:24,276 --> 00:29:26,316 Speaker 2: very easy to get started in it, and it doesn't 610 00:29:26,316 --> 00:29:28,956 Speaker 2: have the same barriers that I would say like golf does. 611 00:29:29,116 --> 00:29:32,316 Speaker 1: Right, several of the players I met in Burlington made 612 00:29:32,356 --> 00:29:32,916 Speaker 1: the same point. 613 00:29:33,116 --> 00:29:38,036 Speaker 5: Maddie g who plays are usually here, what is he like? Fourteen? 614 00:29:39,236 --> 00:29:41,916 Speaker 5: He's better, He's like one of the top players and 615 00:29:41,996 --> 00:29:45,076 Speaker 5: wait till he grows up and like I don't gain 616 00:29:45,196 --> 00:29:49,196 Speaker 5: some muscle and strength. But yeah, all ages can play. 617 00:29:49,556 --> 00:29:54,716 Speaker 5: All you need is some grass, but a lot cheaper 618 00:29:54,756 --> 00:29:56,916 Speaker 5: than a set of golf clubs. For sure. 619 00:29:57,716 --> 00:30:01,036 Speaker 1: Cornhall was starting to sound like the world's most ideal sport, 620 00:30:01,436 --> 00:30:03,996 Speaker 1: but Michelle is willing to admit they're like everything else. 621 00:30:04,196 --> 00:30:05,156 Speaker 1: It has its flaws. 622 00:30:05,516 --> 00:30:07,916 Speaker 2: You know, it's not always perfect. I don't want to 623 00:30:07,916 --> 00:30:09,996 Speaker 2: make it sound like every person that plays cornhole is 624 00:30:10,316 --> 00:30:13,076 Speaker 2: the best ever, right. I work really hard to make 625 00:30:13,076 --> 00:30:15,916 Speaker 2: sure that our club is inclusive and that we're so 626 00:30:16,476 --> 00:30:18,596 Speaker 2: warm and welcoming to new players. And I know that 627 00:30:18,636 --> 00:30:21,236 Speaker 2: a lot of club directors feel that same way because 628 00:30:21,276 --> 00:30:24,516 Speaker 2: we want to continue growing. We're all so nerdy about 629 00:30:24,516 --> 00:30:26,476 Speaker 2: cornhole that we want the entire world to play it 630 00:30:26,516 --> 00:30:28,436 Speaker 2: with us, because we're like, you're missing out. You got 631 00:30:28,476 --> 00:30:29,956 Speaker 2: to get over here and play with us. It's too 632 00:30:29,996 --> 00:30:32,236 Speaker 2: fun for you not to. We're trying to tell everybody 633 00:30:32,276 --> 00:30:34,796 Speaker 2: you're screaming from the rooftops, come play cornhole with us. 634 00:30:34,876 --> 00:30:36,876 Speaker 2: I promise you're going to fall in love. 635 00:30:37,516 --> 00:30:40,076 Speaker 1: What's some advice that people can use to get started? 636 00:30:40,156 --> 00:30:42,356 Speaker 1: If this discussion has peaked their interest in sort of 637 00:30:42,356 --> 00:30:43,556 Speaker 1: being a cornhole beginner. 638 00:30:43,956 --> 00:30:46,956 Speaker 2: I hope it has, and if it has, whether you're 639 00:30:46,996 --> 00:30:49,396 Speaker 2: going for a local tournament or you just want to 640 00:30:49,396 --> 00:30:52,956 Speaker 2: get equipment, I definitely recommend the acl dot com so 641 00:30:52,996 --> 00:30:54,636 Speaker 2: you can put in where you live and it'll show 642 00:30:54,676 --> 00:30:57,276 Speaker 2: you all the different events there. There's also a forum 643 00:30:57,356 --> 00:30:59,476 Speaker 2: called Addicted to Cornhole and you can go in there 644 00:30:59,516 --> 00:31:02,516 Speaker 2: and say I live here, is or any clubs nearby? 645 00:31:02,916 --> 00:31:05,956 Speaker 2: You'll get tons of comments. Is an extremely active community, 646 00:31:06,196 --> 00:31:08,796 Speaker 2: and obviously you can build your own boards if you want, 647 00:31:09,276 --> 00:31:11,436 Speaker 2: you know, on a budget, and I've even seen people 648 00:31:11,476 --> 00:31:13,796 Speaker 2: make their own bags, so you know, whatever you're got 649 00:31:13,796 --> 00:31:16,556 Speaker 2: to do to get to get started, I'd recommend giving 650 00:31:16,596 --> 00:31:18,916 Speaker 2: it a go. And it gets kids off screens, it 651 00:31:18,956 --> 00:31:22,956 Speaker 2: gets couples playing together, it brings families together. It's a 652 00:31:22,996 --> 00:31:25,116 Speaker 2: way to make friends because you could, like I said earlier, 653 00:31:25,116 --> 00:31:26,876 Speaker 2: you can bring them over to your house. Let's throw 654 00:31:26,916 --> 00:31:29,996 Speaker 2: some bags. It's an easy way to get started. 655 00:31:30,396 --> 00:31:32,916 Speaker 1: I hope today's episode inspired you to give this long 656 00:31:32,916 --> 00:31:35,116 Speaker 1: game a chance. My husband and I had such a 657 00:31:35,116 --> 00:31:37,596 Speaker 1: blast at Boston Cornhall that we're planning to go back, 658 00:31:37,956 --> 00:31:40,476 Speaker 1: and we're hoping to bring some friends. If you're in 659 00:31:40,516 --> 00:31:43,516 Speaker 1: the area, you should drop by. Just promise not to 660 00:31:43,516 --> 00:31:45,556 Speaker 1: be annoyed if you get stuck with me as a partner. 661 00:31:46,236 --> 00:31:49,116 Speaker 1: But if you're still not convinced that an elevated beanbag 662 00:31:49,156 --> 00:31:51,956 Speaker 1: toss competition is for you, there's still plenty to take 663 00:31:51,996 --> 00:31:55,236 Speaker 1: away from today's show. First, having fun is one of 664 00:31:55,276 --> 00:31:58,476 Speaker 1: the most powerful tools we have for reducing stress and 665 00:31:58,556 --> 00:32:02,116 Speaker 1: doom scrolling doesn't count. Get outside with other people and 666 00:32:02,196 --> 00:32:05,636 Speaker 1: do something that's a little thrilling. Second, try to recognize 667 00:32:05,676 --> 00:32:08,916 Speaker 1: when cognitive distortions are holding you back and find ways 668 00:32:08,916 --> 00:32:12,396 Speaker 1: to counter your inner critic. My throwing partner George wasn't 669 00:32:12,396 --> 00:32:14,996 Speaker 1: mad at me for missing, and the people you're convinced 670 00:32:15,036 --> 00:32:19,156 Speaker 1: are judging you, odds are they're not either. Third, acknowledge 671 00:32:19,196 --> 00:32:22,196 Speaker 1: the little wins and celebrate your personal growth, whether that's 672 00:32:22,196 --> 00:32:24,916 Speaker 1: small improvements with a new hobby or simply making it 673 00:32:24,916 --> 00:32:28,316 Speaker 1: through an event that triggered your social anxiety. And finally, 674 00:32:28,516 --> 00:32:31,636 Speaker 1: find a third place somewhere that's not work and not home, 675 00:32:31,716 --> 00:32:34,756 Speaker 1: where you can spend time and build community. It doesn't 676 00:32:34,796 --> 00:32:37,996 Speaker 1: have to be a cornhole league in Burlington, Massachusetts. It 677 00:32:37,996 --> 00:32:40,836 Speaker 1: could be a community theater a yoga studio, or a 678 00:32:40,916 --> 00:32:44,196 Speaker 1: Dungeons and Dragons group, whatever it is, try to carve 679 00:32:44,236 --> 00:32:46,316 Speaker 1: out time each week to show up and get to 680 00:32:46,316 --> 00:32:49,556 Speaker 1: know someone new. This marks the end of our series 681 00:32:49,596 --> 00:32:52,956 Speaker 1: on creative coping, and since it's summer and I've got 682 00:32:52,956 --> 00:32:55,196 Speaker 1: a new game to play, the Happiness Lab will be 683 00:32:55,236 --> 00:32:57,636 Speaker 1: taking a bit of a break, but not to worry 684 00:32:57,716 --> 00:32:59,556 Speaker 1: because we'll be back in a few weeks with our 685 00:32:59,596 --> 00:33:02,596 Speaker 1: next season of The Happiness Lab would be doctor Laurie 686 00:33:02,636 --> 00:33:07,036 Speaker 1: Santo's