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Speaker 1: Who was the first person to bust your ass when

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Speaker 2: It was crazy because it was a guy I hadn't

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Speaker 2: I got I gotta guard Chris Cayman. I'm like, man,

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Speaker 2: he got work though, left right yo, left right now

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Speaker 2: on the block. It was crazy, and he was like

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Speaker 2: Chris came in man like. I was like, man, I

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Speaker 2: don't even heard this guy. He's giving buckets. I was like, tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: yeall mean the night after that shot. I mean, this

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Speaker 3: Stop yo, yo yo. We live on location today.

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Speaker 4: The Blackest One is here in Orlando and we got

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Speaker 4: a special special Shottown friend. He's residing being at m

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Speaker 4: I yao right now. But he from you know, New

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Speaker 4: We got a gold in the game. Man, it's one

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Speaker 4: of our favorite players. Chicago. I know y'all gonna love it.

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Speaker 4: Paris love it. New York City too.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 4: We got the legend. We got a real goon of

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Speaker 4: playing hard. One of my most passionate players out here.

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Speaker 4: He left it all on the floor, shot Town stand up.

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Speaker 3: We got Joe Keen Noah in the field. I appreciate

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Speaker 2: I appreciate y'all man, straight up.

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Speaker 3: Brought to you by Dice Dog.

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Speaker 1: Who did you see early on? To be like, man,

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Speaker 1: I want to I want to pick up that ball

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Speaker 2: I mean, for sure, you know I had a lot

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Speaker 2: You know, I had a lot of KG. Uh. I

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Speaker 4: Chocolate, yeah, bubs, Yeah, man, oh my god, White chocolate

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Speaker 4: is one of my favorite players growing up.

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Speaker 2: For sure?

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Speaker 1: What made you choose Florida? Could there have been anybody

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Speaker 2: I mean, once I went down there, once I talked

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Speaker 2: I was like, I could get at the front of

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Speaker 2: a little bit to my.

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Speaker 3: Get out.

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Speaker 2: I needed that. I needed that. So I love coach Donovan,

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Speaker 2: and I mean it was just you know, as soon

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Speaker 1: But some of my favorite team in history. Man, y'all

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Speaker 1: all right because he was the everything. Man. He got

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Speaker 2: I mean it was me Al Horford, Corey Brewer, and Toy.

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Speaker 2: We were roommates. So we came in. We met in

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Speaker 3: I had three room mates of color.

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Speaker 2: It was four of us, but it was four of us.

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Speaker 2: And I remember we go to I go to Corey's

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Speaker 2: And he was like, Yo, let's let's go back to school.

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Speaker 2: see I know that that never happened before, where you

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Speaker 2: You know, I was all right because it was different

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Speaker 2: and made history. You know what I'm saying. But it's

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Speaker 1: How was that to win MVP of the tournament? Though,

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Speaker 1: like like you're a monks, the names you a monks.

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Speaker 1: It's like crazy, the win MVP of of NCAA tournament.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know now that it's now that basketball,

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Speaker 2: so it's like you look back and your accolades and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, tell me how it was, like, like you said,

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like, was it any any

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Speaker 3: Or what did the press you get hard or anything

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Speaker 2: For sure, it was high expectations. You know, I was

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Speaker 2: But for sure, you know, you missed a class, you

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Speaker 4: I agree, man, That's that's why I felt about my Like,

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Speaker 2: Of the day.

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Speaker 4: But for me, it was like, you know, like you said,

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Speaker 4: of this first team All American.

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Speaker 3: I was all Roy's Roy.

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Speaker 4: So I got that love and I got magazine covers

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Speaker 4: like I'm sure y'all did. But then it was like that,

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Speaker 3: So I definitely feel.

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Speaker 2: You that's you know, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: And you know, sometimes sometimes you gotta you gotta humble yourself,

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Speaker 1: You can't do it the right way. That's the only

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Speaker 1: way to do it. Tori and Green though, I got

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Speaker 1: That man used to hit big threes. He knew how

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Speaker 1: had a nice career in the league. And so forth

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Speaker 1: Fall like, how was he with big heart? Big heart,

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Speaker 2: Like six foot you know, but a dog like you know.

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Speaker 2: It was just you know, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: And man, that guy had the heart of him. He had.

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Speaker 2: He was a real lion man. Like I remember the

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Speaker 2: second run, So right before the tournament, we're stinking it up.

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Speaker 2: We lost like three in a row. So Torrens Pops

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Speaker 2: I just need y'all to you know, get back on

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Speaker 2: the same page. Look, I know y'all love each other,

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Speaker 2: was he talking about, He's like Torrence Pop Sydney Green goes,

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Speaker 2: I want you guys to give up. He's like, no,

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Speaker 2: That's the thing, the biggest blessing was I didn't have

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Speaker 3: Huge, right like that that's how he kind of.

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Speaker 2: For sure. Okay, you know those Irish, those Irish guys.

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Speaker 2: sacrifices must be made, play a part. Everybody got a

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Speaker 2: That's what we were just talking about. Cut. It's just

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Speaker 2: Like you play defense and go hit that corner. Three

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about your bull days, man,

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Speaker 1: likes that's why it was like man with Tims and that,

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Speaker 2: And those were special times, man, you know, and I

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Speaker 4: What I respect that it was stood out to me

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Speaker 4: I know that I had it well off compared to

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Speaker 3: I'm not. But you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: You like, I can acknowledge pain, I cannowledge suffering and

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Speaker 3: Like you know what I'm saying.

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00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 4: So, just meeting you for my city, Chicago, I respect

438
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,919
Speaker 4: what you did, what you still continue to do and

439
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 4: then mean a lot bro you impact and like just

440
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 4: your presence. Forget about throwing money at something doing this

441
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:47,360
Speaker 4: like you showing up, giving your time and being there

442
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 4: personally and sharing what you shared and doing what you do.

443
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 3: That's you. That's what we need.

444
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 2: I appreciate that, man, you know, because those were to

445
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 2: me the most half of the things that we did.

446
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,080
Speaker 2: You know, they weren't on the court, they were off

447
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:07,439
Speaker 2: the court, and like just to be a part of

448
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 2: that and do a peace tournament when we all know

449
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 2: Chicago has a real violence issue, you know, and just

450
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,679
Speaker 2: being able to do something that's just bigger than the game.

451
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,880
Speaker 2: And I'm really proud of that tournament that we did,

452
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 2: the peace Tournament at Saint Savannah, bringing the guys together

453
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,919
Speaker 2: from all different backgrounds, and people didn't think that we

454
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 2: could do that. And you know, and you know, you

455
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 2: show up, you do some things, you listen, but at

456
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 2: the end of the day, it's the progress. Just they

457
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 2: keep going, They keep going to Saint Sabas, they keep

458
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 2: playing against each other. So now when they're back in

459
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 2: the street, they they have a place where they you know,

460
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 2: where they connect. You already know how to you already

461
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 2: know how divided it is. So just to be able

462
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,199
Speaker 2: to have the guys connect and you know, like a

463
00:23:55,240 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 2: place like even bringing guys to the game, how that's

464
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 2: not a lot of places where you can bring guys

465
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 2: from different backgrounds where they could just chill and be

466
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 2: on the same page.

467
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 3: And that was what was big.

468
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 4: That's what I was trying to It was going to

469
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 4: inject and say that when we say bring together, these

470
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:16,479
Speaker 4: were rival games and rival situations that was going on

471
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,919
Speaker 4: that we brought. And that's why I was called and

472
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 4: deemed a peace game because it was, you know, Inglewood

473
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 4: was deemed the area where it was so many different

474
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 4: factions and different things going on in such a close

475
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 4: quarters that it was like you needed some some type

476
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 4: of peace or some type of something to calm down

477
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 4: because it was so such in a you know, a

478
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 4: an inflame situation going on, and like that was that

479
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 4: was something that where it was something rare where you

480
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 4: get those different factions to come together on those terms

481
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 4: and there's no violence when you know it's gonna be

482
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 4: all of these different people there.

483
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think that that's just like you said.

484
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 2: And I see Tash still playing roles, still still doing

485
00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 2: that thing in New York, and you know, I know

486
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 2: that that was something that impacted them because I look

487
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 2: at Taj and what he doing in New York. He

488
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 2: brought that that same energy and he's doing it over there.

489
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 2: So as I'm proud of that, I feel like that

490
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 2: that tournament really brought a lot of good. But we

491
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 2: just got to keep you know, fighting never stops. So

492
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, it's about just knowing

493
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 2: where you stand on ship and just doing your best,

494
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 2: you know, because it's for sure sometimes it's overwhelming, but

495
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 2: these situations are overwhelming. But at the end of the day,

496
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 2: we use our platforms to do to do good ship.

497
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 4: You know, I know that, Like you spoke on d

498
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 4: rose Pool, you know you one of his boys. Give

499
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 4: me your perspective when the first injury happened, and and

500
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 4: take me through from your side, you know, your your

501
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 4: being on the team, your teammate view, and your perspective

502
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 4: of what he was going through and how he had

503
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 4: to you know what I'm saying, Uh, just just maneuver

504
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 4: through all of those different things, like you said, from

505
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 4: people saying this and saying that.

506
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 3: Stupid ship, from the little idiots on.

507
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 4: The internet talking crazy and doing memes, and just tell

508
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 4: me how it was from you somebody, because I know

509
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 4: you somebody who's passionate about number one, your teammate, but

510
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 4: more so somebody who I know that you look at

511
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 4: as like a friend and a brother. So just yeah,

512
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 4: exactly seeing that experience, Like, tell me what your perspective

513
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 4: was with that.

514
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 2: It was It was definitely tough because you know, you

515
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 2: look back at that time, was the number one team

516
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 2: in the NBA. We have the best record playoff start

517
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 2: game one, like we are on a mission. We just

518
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 2: lost finals. We're coming and we got ripped now, you know,

519
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 2: h and we're like, yo, this is the busy year.

520
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 2: This is the year we're getting ship and then towards

521
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 2: a cl You know, I think that everybody kind of

522
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 2: remember was like where they were, what they were doing,

523
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 2: should happen moments when I heard him this, Yeah, like

524
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 2: I didn't even think much of it when it happened,

525
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 2: I thought he was alkay coming game, so he held

526
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 2: me back shot down, but you know it was impressing

527
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 2: his head just seeing somebody back. You know, he was

528
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 2: a guy. Every time he walked in the gym, he

529
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 2: brought now, he brought hope for the city. Every time

530
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 2: he got onto the court, and he felt like you

531
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 2: got a chance to chip Like nobody was messing with

532
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 2: this bill like he was putting here everybody, no, none

533
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 2: of that. That's real and like also real humble with it,

534
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 2: real hume, like too humble. Shot Shot could do an

535
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 2: interview type. When he came into the league, we.

536
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 3: Still look, we're still trying to get it right. Now.

537
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 2: It's tough, but he's I think now he's able to

538
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 2: express himself a whole other way.

539
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I'm not saying yeah, it was tough. I'm

540
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 4: just saying just from the same point like you are

541
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 4: you saying personality.

542
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 3: Is just I'm just chilled, low key over.

543
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 2: Here, chill, chill, laid back. Won't talk much about but

544
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 2: he'll still be like, yeah, I'm the best fucker. He'll

545
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 2: say something like You'll be like, damn, supreme, supreme confidence,

546
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 2: supreme confidence. Quiet, humble with it, but we.

547
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 3: Bred that way. It's there whether I say it or not.

548
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: Talk about the MVP season through, like how he just

549
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: stormed through the league and just was just crushing everything.

550
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: Like most didn't want to guard him, like they know

551
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: whether we're gonna put a bigger guy on him or

552
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: stick with the point guard.

553
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 2: It was. It was bad and they had nothing for him.

554
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 2: There was nothing like him, like the athleticism, just he

555
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 2: could he could shoot it just and then like he

556
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: really had the city behind him. The energy in that

557
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: building in that time was just it was so special.

558
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 2: Just being able to keep number one pick you from me,

559
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,959
Speaker 2: from the hood and you're playing for your city like

560
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 2: in that, like that kind of energy for Chicago with

561
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 2: everything that's going on in Chicago and you repping that,

562
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 2: Like man, I was so proud to be a part

563
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 2: of that. I had no choice.

564
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 4: Look, Bro, I'm I'm I don't I'm from the crib

565
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 4: and I don't even you know what I'm saying. I

566
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 4: don't know d Rose like that, And I never said,

567
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 4: you know how people can't like that's not that's not

568
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 4: like that. Like obviously through basketball and through Chicago and

569
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 4: through knowing who he is.

570
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 3: I know who d Rose is. He knows who I am.

571
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 3: But we didn't never like rock like that.

572
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 4: He obviously much younger than me, and like I don't

573
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 4: we never connected for whatever the reason like that. But

574
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 4: Bro in there watching what he did, the way he

575
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 4: did it, the way the city resonated. He resonated with

576
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 4: the city and they connected and just to watch, like Bro,

577
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 4: that was what me, Twaan Walker d way every Chicago

578
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 4: kid wished they could have did what he did. Anybody

579
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 4: take from Isaiah Thomas the Greatest Home down to the

580
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 4: whoever you feeling like he did the MVP, youngest King

581
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 4: of the city.

582
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,239
Speaker 2: Don't look, I didn't even and you know what, and

583
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: didn't didn't even want it. NA. That's the thing, Like

584
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 2: he was just it just happened organically because it was

585
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: just the way he was moving. It was just he

586
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 2: was representing that. But his energy was never like came

587
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 2: like none of that was no. It was humble, like

588
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 2: humble approach, like he's he's checking you in your eye,

589
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 2: Like yo, what kind of personality you know what I'm saying,

590
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 2: humble with it. You know, he's really checking you as

591
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 2: a personality like he was never on some I'm that dude,

592
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 2: Like never, that was never none of it. That's why

593
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 2: that's why I love him to this day because it

594
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 2: was never that kind of energy.

595
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 4: How did y'all feel, you know, as a team, Like

596
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 4: I felt like y'all was the first team since MJ

597
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 4: and them to really captured the city. Like you know

598
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, they captured the city. They had the

599
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 4: post that had you know what I'm saying, like a chance. Yeah,

600
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 4: you know how it is in Chicago. We a huge

601
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 4: sports town, like the Black hows was winning chips, the

602
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 4: Socks and the Cubs one one, like you know how

603
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 4: we are about our sports and the bells of the bed.

604
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 3: I felt like y'all were.

605
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 4: The true first team since the Bulls, I mean since

606
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 4: MJ's Bulls. To like, whether the city was like y'all

607
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 4: had the heartbeating on five y'all, Like, how did that feel?

608
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,959
Speaker 4: Because I know how the city is. The city is

609
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 4: is love like for y'all to be there and y'all

610
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,719
Speaker 4: be and you know, he was one of them focal points.

611
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 3: How was that?

612
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 4: You?

613
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 3: A beloved bull?

614
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 4: Like anytime you go back to the arena, it's nuts.

615
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 2: Now, it's you know, I was drying. I went there

616
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 2: not long ago to go watch it. Yeah yeah, And

617
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 2: just driving by the arena, I was like, man, yo,

618
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 2: the amount of times, the amount of days I used

619
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 2: to get to this arena and just be geeking. I'm

620
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 2: talking about ready to run through a wall. You know

621
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. You couldn't say ship to me on

622
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,719
Speaker 2: game day like I was an animal. It was just

623
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: like it was just like, man, that state of mind

624
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 2: that you had to go to to you know, It's

625
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: just it's hard to explain because you can't feel that

626
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 2: anything else that you're doing. You're playing in front twenty

627
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 2: five thousand going crazy with that much hope. It's it's

628
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 2: it's hard to describe me.

629
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 4: How was it for you when you transitioning from the

630
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 4: Bulls and moving on?

631
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 3: How was that for you?

632
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 2: It was tough because that's when the injury started piling up,

633
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 2: and I said a big deal with the Knicks, so

634
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 2: expectations were high, and then I had you know, I

635
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 2: had three surgeries in one year, and you know, it

636
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 2: was just I guess sometimes it's you know, the cards,

637
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: your delt, you know. But you know, it was like

638
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 2: a blessing in the sense that I got paid a

639
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 2: lot of money, but at the same time, it was like, damn,

640
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 2: I can't. I can't bring it like how I used

641
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 2: to it.

642
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 3: You know, like.

643
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 2: Injuries are a motherfucker and it's part of it. It's

644
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 2: part of growing up as a man as well, you

645
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, being able to say you know what.

646
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not the same guy at thirty two

647
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 2: when I was when I was twenty five, and that's

648
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 2: something that we all have to we all go through

649
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 2: and the journeys like can you handle that? Can no price?

650
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 2: Some times where I couldn't, But it was a learning

651
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: It was a learning curve and all abouts. Like we're

652
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 2: talking about that ego ship, just like letting that shit go,

653
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 2: just being honest with yourself and where you're at. And uh,

654
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 2: you know, it was tough, but it was a tough transition.

655
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, like I wouldn't

656
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 2: treat it, I wouldn't treat it.

657
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 4: Tell me, tell me this in New York, right, because

658
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 4: because when I was in New York, I deal was

659
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 4: kind of the same thing I got traded. There was

660
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 4: in the middle. I was in the second year of

661
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 4: my big you know, my big contract or whatever. So

662
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 4: you get there, yo, Like you said, expectations is hid

663
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 4: in any place you've ever been.

664
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 3: This is New York.

665
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 4: They gave you such and such money, so they fans

666
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 4: everybody else respecting what they tell me this that you

667
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 4: ever while you were getting those injuries, do you did

668
00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 4: you ever find yourself forcing it, pushing it, trying to

669
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 4: go through stuff and making stuff possibly work because I

670
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 4: did the same thing.

671
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 3: I had a herniated back, herniated disk in my back.

672
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 4: Probably should have did the surgery like in October, well

673
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 4: not October, probably like November, maybe December. Didn't do it

674
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 4: because you know, like you say, the pressure, high expectations,

675
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 4: you're getting this knick knack injury. They gonna talk about

676
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 4: it every day in the paper when you get hurt,

677
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 4: especially somebody like you or me that is making a

678
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 4: lot of money. So it's like you get all of

679
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 4: those pressures that you feel that in New York like damn,

680
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 4: like and just the type of person you are, you

681
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Like, you know, you got this

682
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 4: big bag, and it's like, like you said, it's part

683
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 4: of that ego thing. I supposed to bring it, I

684
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 4: supposed to be doing. Did you find yourself trying to

685
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 4: push it and doing that?

686
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 3: Yeah?

687
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 2: For sure. I mean I think that I always think that,

688
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 2: And that's something that I wish that I was a

689
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 2: little bit smarter in my career, just like and I

690
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 2: think they do a good job now just modering it,

691
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: monitoring the players a little more. But when I was playing,

692
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 2: when it was kind of just if you can't go,

693
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: just go, we had nobody, you know, it was it

694
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: wasn't It was tough, man, you know. I think that

695
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 2: you know, I was taking a lot of you know,

696
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 2: things to cover up the pain and you know, masking stuff,

697
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 2: and you know, it's a slippery slope at the end

698
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 2: of the day. If you want to play that game

699
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, like people show you

700
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 2: love because you want to win and you're gonna fight,

701
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 2: You're gonna play through all that ship. And I got

702
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 2: a lot of love in my career for that because

703
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 2: I was playing through all that stuff. People respected that

704
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 2: I would go out there and play. But it's it's

705
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 2: a balance because after a lover like yo, it's your

706
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 2: body gonna break too, you know. You can't just keep

707
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 2: masking and stuff, you know. So so it's at the

708
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: end of the day, this is life we chose, you

709
00:36:58,640 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 2: know what I mean.

710
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: I'm out of it, like we just went the war.

711
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 1: That's how yeah, we were because these needs don't work

712
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: to this day still.

713
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 4: One of my other favorite clothes of you was when

714
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 4: you talked about your time in New York when you

715
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 4: was just like man, I was too little, Like that

716
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 4: was the most real though, like can you just expand

717
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 4: on that? Likely first of all, I respected it for

718
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 4: the realness of it.

719
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: I think I think it was misunderstood because like some

720
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 2: people say, like I'm lit, Like, oh, I'm so lit.

721
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that like I'm so lit, like I'm

722
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 2: looking at me, I'm so lit. No, like I'm lit,

723
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 2: like I was. I was fucked up, you know what

724
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 2: I mean?

725
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 3: I was.

726
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 2: I was injured and I'm dealing with three injuries. I'm

727
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 2: taking you know, drugs to deal with the pain like

728
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 2: I was lit. I was fucked up like that. That's

729
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 2: the ship I had to deal with. It was not

730
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 2: an easy thing to get out of. The lot of

731
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 2: athletes have to go through that. Like what do you

732
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 2: think you think you're just getting surgeries and what like, Yeah,

733
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get through this ship like you guys

734
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 2: they talking about this ship. Oh oh, he'll be back

735
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 2: in four to six weeks, Like fuck you mean? Like, yo,

736
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 2: I'm over here in bed, like you're talking about four

737
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 2: to six weeks, Like I gotta go up against ye

738
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 2: the baddest, fastest motherfuckers in the world, like and I'm

739
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 2: in dead, like I can't lose my shoulder, I can't

740
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 2: lose my knee like I ad two at the same time.

741
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about.

742
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: That's when I said, like for people to even be

743
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: speaking on people missing games or so forth, like when

744
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: it was a time where people should have missed games

745
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: back in the day. You know what I'm saying, Like nowadays,

746
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: like you'll know what a player going through. You'll know

747
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 1: what a player going through off the court or going

748
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: through in life or just with their family or anything

749
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: that they might need that day off or need that

750
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: time off. So we're in the new day and age. Man.

751
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 2: But but you know what, at least you know, it

752
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 2: was a different eraror. But I feel like the players

753
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 2: are more protected and in a way, I think and

754
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 2: I think that that's a it's a good thing because

755
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, I think that we

756
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 2: got a lot of our respect off of like playing

757
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 2: through ship.

758
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: Playing through ship.

759
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: It's just the media.

760
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 3: But I feel it's just.

761
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: The media, the media, you know, I meant it about yeah.

762
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 2: But now it's like I feel like organizations do a

763
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 2: better job of like they put people.

764
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: We're gonna monitor he played three games in the row.

765
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: We want to see them, Like we give them the

766
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 1: millions of dollars. Why can't we sit this value.

767
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 2: Now? Back then it was more like we're paying him

768
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 2: a million dollars, you better go out there.

769
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 4: Now it's like, let's smart about that invest in these days.

770
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: Man, one of the guys that don't get talked about it,

771
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 1: and I thought he was he was, he was dope.

772
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: I had an opportunity to talk to him when he

773
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: was at McDonald's game. But that's Louile Dang And like

774
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: you know, he got a kind of like a bad

775
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: rap at the end where they just sent them home

776
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: with his money, like great wouldn't let him play when

777
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 1: he still could play. But I'll be seeing some of

778
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,720
Speaker 1: the stuff he doing over in Africa and how he moving,

779
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: Like y'all had a special group y'all. Now only did

780
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: y'all have a special group on the court, y'all had

781
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,919
Speaker 1: a special group off the court with all y'all from

782
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: tires and all y'all doing what y'all doing, But just

783
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: Louile Dame because he don't really get brought up, and

784
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: he'd be making big moves and he'd be doing good things,

785
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: and he was nice on the court that people don't

786
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: really says a loser.

787
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 2: Ultima Warrior man. He was playing like forty five minutes

788
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 2: hit big shots, lockhall and always playing. I mean, this

789
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 2: guy was real, so you know what I mean, and

790
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 2: and real good souldier, like really good human being man,

791
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 2: somebody who's doing so much great stuff from the Motherland,

792
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 2: whachs from back in Africa, and you know, doing a

793
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 2: lot of grassroots work, and somebody who connected himself with

794
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 2: a lot of really smart people, a lot of real

795
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 2: estate guys early on.

796
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 3: In his career.

797
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 2: And just you know, you don't hear about you hear

798
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 2: about guys getting into stuff like that later once basketball

799
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: is done. But he was doing it all along. So

800
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 2: he's somebody who's he knows what he's doing. When it

801
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 2: comes to that page, you like to see that from

802
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 2: from a guy from South Sudan who was a refugee

803
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 2: in Egypt and somehow made it to the Chicago Bills

804
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 2: and have an All Star career and things that he

805
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: do like for real, man, like and I had I

806
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 2: had lunch with him, like a couple of days ago.

807
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 2: This guy's just he's the man. You know, he really

808
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: cares him stuff like a king.

809
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 4: Yo, Yo, tell me this, how was it for you

810
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 4: the first time you made All Star? Like you know

811
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. I know that you say that ain't

812
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 4: what you played for and that ain't where your heart at,

813
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 4: but like a part of you has to acknowledge that.

814
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 4: They're like, Yo, this is this is huge. Like you

815
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, growing up to a kid. Now

816
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 4: you you walking in that locker room, seeing your jersey

817
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 4: hanging you on that stage, Like how was that? And

818
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:30,919
Speaker 4: you did it twice? Like you know what I'm saying

819
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 4: that everybody said, oh you could flute and get one

820
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 4: like you did it. You know what I'm saying, you

821
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 4: did it twice. So how does that feel to be

822
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 4: known like as a as a former All Star. That's

823
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 4: that's the way you should be introduced.

824
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. I appreciate that.

825
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 4: That's real, former former Defensive Player of the Year. Those

826
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 4: the facts that ain't you know, it ain't opinions, those

827
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 4: are facts.

828
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 3: I think.

829
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 2: It's just more when you see your when you see

830
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 2: your loved ones in that crowd, and you see how

831
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 2: proud you you know like, and you see it in them,

832
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 2: like my pops came all the way from France, like

833
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 2: he was sitting next to my My my coach from

834
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 2: New York City. That the first coach that believed in me.

835
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 2: Shout out, mister Green. You know, Flushing Queens, the story

836
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: of projects, you know, like people who really put that

837
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 2: work in for you. Like I used to sleep on

838
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: his couch, you know when I was fourteen to fifteen

839
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 2: years old, and he was the one who's like, I'm

840
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 2: going to take you to the next level. So when

841
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 2: you have people like that who believed in me when

842
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 2: you were young, and they sitting in the crowd and

843
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: they watching me with the best players in the world

844
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 2: and catching pocket pasts, throwing time and whatever, you know,

845
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 2: it's you look up in the crowd you see them proud,

846
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 2: like right, that's what I.

847
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 3: Re That's dope.

848
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: Like defensive player with this is a conversation that's not

849
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: for cute it's for real defenders. Defensive player of the year,

850
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: when you were a defensive player of the year, I know,

851
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: like with the defense, you really show that what you

852
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: bring right there? The defender you want to you shot threes?

853
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 3: You want a defender.

854
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 4: Hey, Joe Kim asked asking him who win in one

855
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 4: on ones? I lock his ass up though I'm still playing.

856
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 4: You don't want these problems, heard him say his knees

857
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 4: gonna work. I just played in the Big Three way

858
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 4: more resents. I got one game a month for him

859
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 4: anytime you want it.

860
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 1: But like being a defender, as I was saying, us defenders,

861
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, to get you know, just

862
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 1: to get that accomplishment. I want this is a two

863
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 1: part question. I want you to talk about how it was,

864
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 1: you know, to get Defensive Player of the Year, which

865
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: that's a big accomplishment for what you bringing to the table,

866
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,720
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And to see these guys

867
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: now in this day and age, that's a lot of

868
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: these guys now are doing the exact same thing that

869
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 1: you're doing now you know a lot of and didn't

870
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: didn't know how to adjust to that. But what you

871
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: brought to the table defensively and the rudy goburds and

872
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: the compel us like these guys are getting hunted me

873
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: on contracts now and what they were and what they're

874
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: doing is what you was doing.

875
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 3: So how is that to see the guys doing that?

876
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 2: I mean to be honest, I was that award was

877
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 2: It's just it's a special award. You know. Obviously the

878
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 2: VP O y and as a big man you got defense,

879
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 2: the background defense. But the truth is none of the

880
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 2: ship worked without Tom Timmer, None of the ship worked

881
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 2: without picking up full court full court none of it

882
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 2: happens without Jimmy Butler, you know, Keith Bogan's bow shot.

883
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 2: All these guys though. Man, you know these guys were

884
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 2: rounding every day hard as hell, so we were all

885
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 2: on the same page. Hm. That that's what made it

886
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 2: possible because at the end of the day, you're not

887
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 2: having a good defense because I'm not out there blocking

888
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 2: five six shots. Like yeah, I mean, I'm doing my thing,

889
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: but it was just out doing my work early calling

890
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 2: that out early back back then. Yeah.

891
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: That that that that the captain that you know, captain

892
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: of the defense, like you always in the back of it.

893
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: And like I always like defensive Player of the Year.

894
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: You know, that ship as well earned. Like when you

895
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: see a team that's they topping defense and you shutting

896
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: teams down, not really shutting them down, but you're keeping

897
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: them lower in points. I like when that ship get

898
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: get a complex, you know, to get a get a knowledge,

899
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.

900
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 2: I appreciate that, man, Like at the end of the day,

901
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 2: that award it should not it should be that was

902
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 2: defensive team because like, yo, okay, you get that award,

903
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 2: but like yo, Kirk Heinrich, I mean, come on, now

904
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 2: y'all played against this guy.

905
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: This guy I've been playing against Kirk since you like.

906
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 3: That, you know what.

907
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 2: That was. He had a he had a heart of

908
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 2: the line. That's not let's not forget, like let's give

909
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 2: credit when credit is due. And I just you know

910
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 2: this is this is not an individual game. You get

911
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 2: awards Like to me, the award was really like you

912
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 2: gotta wld guy's account, like you up on this defensive assignment,

913
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 2: Like you gotta let that person know, Like, yo, hey,

914
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 2: I'm going to be there for you. You gotta do

915
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 2: your job.

916
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: You got to keep on coming. You gotta keep on around.

917
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 3: One of my favorite, one of my favorite clips of you.

918
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 3: This was what I always loved about you, your energy

919
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 3: and how hyped you was.

920
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 4: Like I always said, like you was one of them

921
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 4: dudes that like you was impactful, like you might have

922
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 4: like you could have nine and fourteen and like seven assists,

923
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 4: and that'll be better than somebody that might have had

924
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 4: like eighteen and six because you made them plays at

925
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 4: the right time. You might have dove on the floor

926
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 4: and got the whole fucking building going crazy at that

927
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 4: right time, And it's just bringing that energy.

928
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: But like I loved Joe.

929
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 4: Any One of my favorite clips was I can't remember

930
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 4: you might remember when I say this, like y'all have

931
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 4: made a big ass play. You wasn't even in a game.

932
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 4: You was on a bench, but it was like a

933
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 4: big play. Everything was rallying and you giving everybody five

934
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 4: getting hyped.

935
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 3: And one of the young boys that was on the

936
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,919
Speaker 3: COO ran by you and Ben theater. You was like wrong,

937
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 3: like you was like off this like the next, but

938
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,280
Speaker 3: like the next, like the Carols.

939
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 2: On you and you.

940
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: Like yo.

941
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 5: For real to shout Tony No, that's you know, I

942
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 5: don't have my make my little I make my little

943
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 5: bullshit right, you know what I'm saying.

944
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 2: We I don't know. I think we go from like

945
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: we go up six or so.

946
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 3: I can't remember what I'm hip hy.

947
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, damn, I just made my little jump. You

948
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 2: know that that might be game winner right there, Like,

949
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 2: let's get the fun out this case. Man, let's get

950
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 2: out this building. Man bulls w man, I'm getting everybody hype,

951
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 2: everybody hype. Tony Snow just walked out. He already he's sleeping, man,

952
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 2: he already on the bus. I'm like, man, I let

953
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 2: him feel that, but he's might. But that's what it's

954
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 2: all about.

955
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 3: I loved it what you're doing. I loved it. Everybody

956
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 3: on the bench getting gage again.

957
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: That's what winning is. One person engaged in what's going on,

958
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,919
Speaker 1: y'all like win the team. That's why when the team,

959
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: everybody on the team is engaged.

960
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 3: Love.

961
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 4: I was sitting there like, yo, I love knowing, like

962
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 4: I really. I remember rewinding watching the clubs say, yo,

963
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 4: look at no what he's going on.

964
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 3: I loved it. I promised y'all was like, exactly, get

965
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 3: your ass up and get hyped too. But your ass up.

966
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 2: Exactly, ass up, get hyped. But you know, as you

967
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 2: get older too, I was playing. Yeah, so that that

968
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 2: that fourteenth man, fifteenth man job. I didn't realize it

969
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 2: hard hard that job is.

970
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: That's a hard job.

971
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 2: That's a hard job.

972
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 3: I did that though. Yeah, that's a hard time.

973
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 4: Shout out your brother ce dude me and see dude

974
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 4: was four thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, whatever you want to call him.

975
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 3: We was down there. We was lick though. We was

976
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 3: like you we had that something happened, we air guitar.

977
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 3: We was at that point. I had a better man.

978
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 3: I had my mind wrapped around things.

979
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 4: I was in the half. My wife was pregnant. I

980
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 4: was in a heavy place. We was having fun with

981
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 4: We was some boy. We was over there turning up

982
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 4: every time.

983
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 2: I believe that shout out.

984
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: Dude, that's my class right there at McDonald's two thousand

985
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: and see them ask you this start bench cut. You

986
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: gotta start one, you gotta bench one.

987
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 2: Hey man, I just want to say, it's super cool man,

988
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 2: just being over here talking about basketball with you guys. Man,

989
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 2: you got this dope. You know, sometimes you forget like

990
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 2: it's like you over here at the house and the

991
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 2: kids don't give a ship about basketball. You know, It's

992
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 2: just it's just it's just like, man, it just feels

993
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 2: good sometimes to you know, talk about those times and

994
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,439
Speaker 2: just acknowledge, like the fight. You know what I'm saying

995
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 2: that all the work that you put in. It's it's

996
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 2: it's really dope that you guys.

997
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, the kids knowledge be a little off. They don't

998
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: give a fuck about basketball, and then they be in

999
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: whole arguments. My son came to me, it was like that,

1000
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: I told them that you were better than Michael Jordan

1001
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: when you play what you called me, I said, No,

1002
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: I don't argue with nobody about that.

1003
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 2: No more.

1004
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 3: What you're doing?

1005
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 1: You said, But yeah, start bitch, cut, start bench cut? Uh,

1006
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: Tim Duncan, kg Rashid Wallace, Who you start? Who you benched?

1007
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: Who you cut?

1008
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 3: Mhm, that's it's hard.

1009
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 2: Jesus guy's come on, man, mh, I'm starting, Uh, you said,

1010
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 2: Tim Duncan, Cam and who else? I can't cut sheet though, Man,

1011
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 2: I can't cut. I love she and she was the

1012
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 2: only one. She was the one he would catch it

1013
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 2: on the post on you and tell you what he

1014
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 2: was going to do and still give you the.

1015
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 3: Bucket high all shot, shout all of that.

1016
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 2: I'm not. I can't play that game. You can't. Come on,

1017
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 2: you can't. You can't.

1018
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 3: You can't.

1019
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 2: You can't Tim Duncan, you can't take it. You can't

1020
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 2: And I can't do it. Man, I can't play this game.

1021
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: Was who was some of the matchups though? You being

1022
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 1: us being defensive players, who was some of them matchups

1023
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: that you uh used to look forward to or or

1024
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: or you know, like, man, I gotta bring my a

1025
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: game on defense when when we played against him, because

1026
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: I thought some of the matches I used to see

1027
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: you play against z Bo. You know, that's my guy.

1028
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: I used to watch z Bo all the time. I

1029
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: used to see y'all rough bumping and all that stuff like.

1030
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: But some what was some of the matchups that you

1031
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: you look forward to to having and some of the

1032
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: ones like, oh, man, I know it's gonna be on.

1033
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 2: Z Bo is always a good one because was so

1034
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 2: connected with Chicago, you know what I mean. He got

1035
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 2: a lot of love in the street, you know what

1036
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 2: I mean.

1037
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: So it was like.

1038
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 2: A lot of the people who I used to do

1039
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 2: this the work in the community, which were real close

1040
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 2: with Zebra. So so the game it was like always

1041
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 2: a game within the game because all the guys used

1042
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 2: to be at the game. We used to go, so

1043
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 2: it was it was you know, it's it's more it's

1044
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 2: the game within the game, you know. But then I mean,

1045
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 2: of course, man, like you know, every time we played

1046
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 2: the Miamis, we played Cleveland, every team that Lebron was on,

1047
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 2: it was always a war. Those are the games that

1048
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 2: you penciled, you know, you penciled on the schedule. You

1049
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 2: know you put that circle and UH and Boston two

1050
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 2: cage in the cage. Those were you know what I

1051
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 2: mean and then as soon as as soon as you

1052
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 2: chill though, as soon as you chill, and you were

1053
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 2: like you exhaled a little bit, like that's really when

1054
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:54,879
Speaker 2: it was getting your ass.

1055
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 3: Tell me this.

1056
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 4: You said one of your funniest quotes to me, well

1057
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 4: not quotes, I guess it was one of your press

1058
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 4: conferences when.

1059
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 3: You was in Cleveland, and you was like, you know,

1060
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 3: I don't know if you was even in Cleveland.

1061
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 4: I know you was talking about cleveand like who ever

1062
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 4: said they want to go on, baby, we were in Cleveland.

1063
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 3: Okay, so we were in Cleveland. Tell me about that.

1064
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 4: Like I loved that you was one of them dudes

1065
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 4: that never cared about like you know, like I get

1066
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 4: it whatever they the guy, but I'm not about the

1067
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,399
Speaker 4: I don't care. Like I'm not I'm not bound down.

1068
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 4: I'm coming straight at you and whatever, and like I'm

1069
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 4: gonna be honest, like this is no disrespect Cleveland. But

1070
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 4: what you were saying was true. Like I'm sure the

1071
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 4: mask can speak on it.

1072
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 3: He played. You can answer this after the fact. But

1073
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 3: like for those of us that didn't play there, I

1074
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 3: don't know the city.

1075
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 4: It's not like somewhere it's gonna be like, oh, man,

1076
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 4: I gotta I gotta take this vacated Cleveland like.

1077
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 3: You were saying.

1078
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 4: So when you said it was hilarious to me, it

1079
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 4: was like hilarious to me, and I felt why Cleveland

1080
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 4: fans would be man, But I felt like everybody else

1081
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 4: can see what you were saying. It was like like

1082
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 4: if they're not talking about your city, it's funny, but

1083
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 4: if you're talking about city, like hold on. But like,

1084
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 4: I just love that you was never shy about being

1085
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 4: up in your face and you knew like so what,

1086
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 4: I'm not scared to say something about these people and

1087
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 4: they're not that good or not better than me.

1088
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 3: So like I loved that about you. But just tell

1089
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 3: me what was going on when you was when you

1090
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 3: was giving that little spill about your feelings about Cleveland.

1091
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was in I was in tu Loom last

1092
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 2: week in Mexico.

1093
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 3: Look at that.

1094
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 2: So I'm walking. I'm walking and as a Maca. That's

1095
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 2: Pablo Escobar or or house. So they made it into

1096
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 2: a hotel. So I'm in there just chilling and some

1097
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 2: some dude come with you, like yo, you you were

1098
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 2: you Steven Adams. Nah, I'm like nah, you look you

1099
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 2: look you look like student, you look like Steven Adams.

1100
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I'm not. I'm just chilling you. Like

1101
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 2: all good. He's like, so I just brother, keep keep

1102
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 2: it moving.

1103
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

1104
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 2: And he's like, yeah, you know, I'm from Cleveland. And

1105
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, I see this dude's like this

1106
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 2: dude trying to try to clown me, clown me and

1107
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 2: ship off to Cleveland. I'm like, damn, bro, that was

1108
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 2: ten That was ten years ago, and y'all still on that.

1109
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 2: People always on that, yo yo, Cleveland on vacation.

1110
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 5: But what it is is all said.

1111
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 2: People be on that crazy. But what it is is

1112
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 2: just Lebron is you know, he's a great player, you know,

1113
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 2: and I just wanted everybody to know when we played

1114
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 2: against him that there wasn't going to be like we

1115
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 2: was gonna go at him, right, And it wasn't. It

1116
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 2: wasn't it wasn't gonna be no love fess. I hated

1117
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 2: that love Fests ship. Like that ship brove me nuts.

1118
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 2: And I mean it is where competition is not always pretty,

1119
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 2: you know, That's it, and I think that's what people

1120
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 2: like about it. You know what I'm saying it doesn't

1121
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 2: always bring.

1122
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:08,959
Speaker 3: Out like the best.

1123
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 2: It's ugly sometimes, you know, and I think that that's

1124
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 2: what that's what makes sports sports, and like you you

1125
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 2: know how it is like sometimes I don't know, dude,

1126
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 2: I don't know that. People always say, like, man, you

1127
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 2: hate it and all that, Like, No, I just wanted

1128
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 2: to win. I wanted to win. That's all I care

1129
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 2: about at the end of the day. Like creditors due,

1130
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 2: but I'm not when I'm when I'm in those lines,

1131
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 2: there's none of that.

1132
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 4: That's what That's what I appreciated the most about your

1133
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 4: game was that because that I related to it.

1134
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 3: I went the same way. Like just like you said,

1135
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 3: it's people all relate to you.

1136
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 1: The way you play.

1137
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 4: Lebron Like, no, bro, like what you think, like whether

1138
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 4: it was Kobe, whether it was whoever, when they was

1139
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 4: that dude, like, I was coming the same way you

1140
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:08,919
Speaker 4: ask anybody look at it, whatever you want to say.

1141
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 4: If it was about one of my things, I was

1142
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 4: gonna try and thugg you. That's what I was gonna

1143
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 4: try and do. I was strong, I was gonna try.

1144
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 4: That was one of my advantages. If you was more

1145
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 4: skilled than me, I was gonna try and do that

1146
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 4: to get it some type of advantage. So what But

1147
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 4: like you said, I always loved the fact that, like

1148
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 4: you said, weren't about to be no love fest. Like

1149
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 4: you say something or you do something that I mean whatever,

1150
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 4: I'm gonna act like I always act, just like I'm

1151
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 4: not about to treat you no different because you Kobe

1152
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 4: Lebron or whoever.

1153
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 3: This ain't I'm not a hater. I'm who I am.

1154
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 4: This is what competition's supposed to be at its highest

1155
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 4: and most purist, the most competitive people. You're not about

1156
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 4: to see them be happy when it's that time, Like

1157
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying that we'd be happy when

1158
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 4: it's so when we won and we could look at you.

1159
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 4: But like if we didn't win, I mean, I might

1160
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 4: not want to go out theve with you after this

1161
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 4: or whatever. Like I'm gonna be dependent on what it was.

1162
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 4: I might can't be around you right now. If it's

1163
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 4: a regular season, it's okay, we can chill. I haven't

1164
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 4: had this many years and I'm used to it. But like, man,

1165
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 4: you just put me out of the playoffs. But we

1166
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 4: might have to wait for a week or so and for.

1167
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:11,439
Speaker 1: They never they never wanted me, and they never wanted

1168
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: me and que to play against each other because they

1169
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: say we used to go too hard, like we don't

1170
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: even like.

1171
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 3: Each other with love.

1172
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: You know, I wouldn't. It wasn't none of that. But

1173
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: he know that I'm gonna try to fuck him up

1174
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 1: as well as I know that he gonna try to

1175
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: fuck me up, and we're gonna leave it out there

1176
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna walk away from it. So they

1177
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: used to always be like, nah, y'all can't play.

1178
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 2: See that's that's what that's interesting though, because like now

1179
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 2: you look back and you know, I don't have that.

1180
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 2: Now I'm about trying to do things with like bring

1181
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 2: people to together.

1182
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 3: Competition it's gone.

1183
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 2: It's like it's not the Yeah, it's gone for really

1184
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 2: it's not.

1185
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 3: It's not the same.

1186
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 2: Like I can't I can't be competitively like people around

1187
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 2: my house, you know what I'm saying like this, like

1188
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 2: my like I don't want to be competitive with my friends.

1189
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 2: That's not the vibe. That's not the vibe. So as

1190
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 2: you get older, you realize like you got to be

1191
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 2: able to you know, now, life, life goes on. There's

1192
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 2: like this competition. Ship is done done, So okay, maybe

1193
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 2: you try to steal some of that stuff from your

1194
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 2: kids or whatever, but I'm not going to live my

1195
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 2: life just a competitive dude with everybody have around me.

1196
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 2: And that's that's something that it's been an adjustment.

1197
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 4: I think I'm saying. I think you like what you're saying.

1198
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 4: One of the funniest things is like, how do you

1199
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, Like you saying, like, I'm

1200
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 4: not about to be competitive competitive around the house and

1201
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 4: I want to be able to, you know, turn that

1202
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 4: ship off and this that the third.

1203
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 3: Like how you do that?

1204
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: Though?

1205
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 3: How is that working for you?

1206
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's just being aware.

1207
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 3: That's that's what you said.

1208
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 4: Like for me, this is how this is how it

1209
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 4: became aware when I started doing Like like me and

1210
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 4: d Miles always we don't consider ourselves media guys, but

1211
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 4: I guess that's what we are. So like once I

1212
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 4: when I started working for the Pistons and like after basketball,

1213
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 4: I worked for the Pistons, did four years there.

1214
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 3: I'm working with people and it's like, you know, how

1215
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 3: you spend time with the people.

1216
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 4: Like damn dude, Like I never would have thought you

1217
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 4: was just cool or you was just like I don't

1218
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 4: be real, like you know, you get so cool people

1219
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 4: could be real, so I'm be real. I thought I

1220
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 4: thought you was pretty much asshole by the way you

1221
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 4: acted like. I definitely didn't think he was gonna be

1222
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 4: like a nice guy like I thought, like just and

1223
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 4: I'm like, man, like you don't understand. Especially in our era,

1224
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 4: it wasn't like how it is now. It wasn't no

1225
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 4: stand up after the game and change jerseys and take

1226
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 4: it like boy. We couldn't even tell each other that

1227
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 4: I like your game, like nah, like you ain't ship

1228
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 4: boy like you. That's how even if you was to

1229
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 4: go you the code to see we had to.

1230
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 3: Look at you like ship boy like. That's how we

1231
01:02:58,000 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 3: that was how we moved.

1232
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 4: So I like like it really, like I really it

1233
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 4: really resonated with me because I had a few people

1234
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 4: like man, dude, like I never I never would have

1235
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 4: thought you was just cool. And you know what I'm saying,

1236
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 4: like you this ship every time I saw like you know,

1237
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 4: I only saw you in the game stuff like well

1238
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 4: are you always about to be with the ship with

1239
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 4: somebody or solf?

1240
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 3: So I just didn't expect you to be chilling.

1241
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 4: I'm like, it's really that was really people's perception of

1242
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,880
Speaker 4: how how I am, like yo to fight.

1243
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 3: You or something. Every time I'm like, man, like for real.

1244
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 2: Like you know what I'm saying, Like yeah, but that

1245
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 2: was you was in survival mode anyway. So at the

1246
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 2: end of the day, you trying to keep your job,

1247
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 2: like trying this is this is who you are. This

1248
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 2: is who you are when you're on that court. This

1249
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 2: is who you are. And as you get older, as

1250
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 2: you get older, it's like you realize that you can't

1251
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 2: you can't have that. Like look even what you guys

1252
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 2: are doing right now, you you bring you to the

1253
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 2: to this like a young guy might see it. See

1254
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 2: guys like we used to compete against each other, guys

1255
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 2: used to compete with and be like, man, I can't

1256
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 2: look at this dude right now. But now we're older,

1257
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 2: we were out of it. And it's like, you know,

1258
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 2: you can listen to somebody's story and appreciate it in

1259
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 2: a different way that when you was playing. You can't.

1260
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 2: I wouldn't even say half the ship I'm saying at all.

1261
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 1: It would never be on nobody's quote be giving you

1262
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 1: no problem.

1263
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 4: You talked about how you had respect for Ticket, right,

1264
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 4: tell me about the first time you played against KG

1265
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 4: and I know he was talking ship.

1266
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 2: How how was that he was talking crazy? It was

1267
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 2: it changed my career because I said something like he

1268
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 2: used to work out with Joe Brunasar and I was

1269
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 2: like waiting for him all summer. I was like, man,

1270
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 2: I can't wait till I was a fan. It's like

1271
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 2: a big fan. And then he tried to he tried

1272
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 2: to stunt on me, like like at the end of

1273
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 2: the game. I was like, I said something. He's like,

1274
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 2: get the funk out of here, don't talk to me,

1275
01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:00,080
Speaker 2: and man, like I was, I didn't. I just I

1276
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 2: ain't say much. But after that he thought, I don't know,

1277
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 2: he must have thought I was soft or something like that.

1278
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 2: But that's I had to let him know. Every time

1279
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 2: he played, like you I remember that every time. It's

1280
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 2: gonna be a war now every single time. And you know,

1281
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 2: Ticket was a way better player than I was, you know,

1282
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 2: But but it was the end of his career and

1283
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 2: he had had to ruin injury. So it was like

1284
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 2: they won that championship with the Celtics, but he was

1285
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 2: already starting to slow down a little bit. But my

1286
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 2: mentality is like, yo, but I'm going at his neck,

1287
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.

1288
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 3: It was all that.

1289
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 2: So that was that was no passes exactly.

1290
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 1: Nobody gonna get you, no pass out on these streets, man,

1291
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: Like you got your game, gotta be a one one

1292
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 1: point every night out.

1293
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 4: Man.

1294
01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 2: He like he just like wrote a book and stuff.

1295
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 2: Ddit Like man, it's just like, you know, I can

1296
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 2: look back on it now and just be like I

1297
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Speaker 2: can see I can respect.

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Speaker 1: Like why he did that.

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Speaker 2: While he was yeah, I mean thank god he did that,

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01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 2: because for real, like it changed. I was like, all right,

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01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 2: you know what, you can't be a fan like you

1302
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 2: can't none of these guys. I had a poster do

1303
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 2: in my room and I'm like, you know what, now

1304
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 2: it's a whole different mindset. Now it's you. He got

1305
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 2: what you want, you gotta do get it. You got

1306
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 2: to get past these dudes if you if you want

1307
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 2: that shining thing at the end, you got to get

1308
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 2: packed your dude. But there's no more trying to be cool.

1309
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 2: But none of that.

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Speaker 1: It comes back around because like now you know, we

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01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 1: be fans and then when we playing the league. We

1312
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: got to stop being fans, and then after we get

1313
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 1: back to being fans, whether we fans of what they

1314
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 1: used to do, or whether we fans or what they

1315
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 1: used to do and what they continuing to do. You

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01:06:58,120 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like you said, him with the

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01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 1: book and different stuff like that, just just to see

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01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 1: a watch and still watch his life and his career

1319
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 1: go on, like how we were seeing with Kobe and

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01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 1: you know, just other players. Just seeing just the next

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01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 1: chapter for everybody. It's dope to I see seeing d

1322
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 1: Wade being the owner now, just to see his chapter

1323
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 1: and how he's going and like what he used to

1324
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 1: do to now what he's doing and how he's stepping up.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: That's one of the dopest things about it. And that's

1327
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 1: one of the things that we love to do the

1328
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 1: podcast for because we can get back and kid mode

1329
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 1: and be friendly. Because I didn't used to speak to

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01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 1: none of these folks, and he definitely was on the

1331
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 1: other end like damn, that's that's so and so down there,

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01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't say it ship to him. And when

1333
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 1: I'm on the court, I'm going right in his neck

1334
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 1: like he's just the next person in line.

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01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 2: What a blessing?

1336
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 3: Straight up?

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01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 2: What a what a blessing to be able to to

1338
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 2: play at the level that we You know, when you're

1339
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 2: in it, you don't realize because it's just it's all

1340
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 2: about the next moment, you know, and just staying focused

1341
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 2: on the next game and the next opponent and all that.

1342
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 2: But to look back on it and say, damn, like

1343
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 2: that was right, man, My name was really on the

1344
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 2: board and I had to guard shot.

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01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, like, well, watching this, man, Hey,

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01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:17,600
Speaker 1: what what about this?

1347
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 2: Though?

1348
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 4: Because you had like a unique situation with your dad

1349
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 4: being like a you know, the superstar that he was

1350
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 4: with you growing up, how was it for you?

1351
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 3: Like when you you went you know.

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01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 4: What I'm saying, you took your own path and carved

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01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 4: out your own thing, and now you got your now

1354
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 4: you Joe King nowhah And you know, now your dad gets.

1355
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 3: To come be a fan for you.

1356
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:40,639
Speaker 4: And like your dad was he was he I see

1357
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 4: where you get your energy and your excite from because

1358
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 4: your pops be hyped.

1359
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 3: Like how was that to see your pops at your games?

1360
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 4: And now, like you said, you set out the car

1361
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 4: about your own path and now You've achieved that, and

1362
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,640
Speaker 4: now you see your pop cheering you on at your

1363
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 4: games and stuff.

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01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 3: How was that for you?

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01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 2: I mean, that was that was really important for me.

1366
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 2: I realized that a lot of my hunger came from

1367
01:09:03,320 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 2: from that, just being able to have my own name.

1368
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 2: You know. I was tired of like going home and

1369
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 2: people saying like, yo, oh, you're the son of You're

1370
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 2: the son of Yanni. You know what I'm saying, Like, no,

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01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 2: my name is Joe King, you know what I mean.

1372
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 2: And it was a lot. It was all the time,

1373
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 2: you know, so like I can look back on it

1374
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 2: now and say, you know, it was the blessing of

1375
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 2: it was I was able to have an athlete, a

1376
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:34,680
Speaker 2: father who was an athlete, so I was able to

1377
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:36,519
Speaker 2: see what hard work looked like.

1378
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 3: You know.

1379
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 2: I saw the work that he put in the gym,

1380
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 2: and you can't we can't put a price on that,

1381
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 2: like watching what it takes to be a professional athlete,

1382
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:48,720
Speaker 2: you know, like not a lot of people get that.

1383
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, I know that,

1384
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 2: you know, my grandfather was a soccer player, Like my

1385
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 2: name carried like a big legacy thing, you know, And.

1386
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 1: I wanted to baby sure, you know.

1387
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 2: So at the end of the day, I was like, yo,

1388
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 2: I didn't play tennis. I was like, I want to

1389
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 2: play basketball because I wanted to. I wanted to be

1390
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 2: my own.

1391
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 3: Man.

1392
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 1: Who is your favorite five NBA players? Not your top five,

1393
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 1: but your favorite five NBA players.

1394
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 2: Of all time?

1395
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:22,639
Speaker 1: There's a lot of time your favorite five.

1396
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 2: I got shot, the eighth wonder the diesel, I got shot. Man.

1397
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:40,400
Speaker 2: Let's just make things clear, like shock dad got, and

1398
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 2: you got I'm gonna go dirt, Oh guys, man, dirt

1399
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 2: because now you got to stretched and you got the

1400
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 2: big fella in this that to.

1401
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 3: Them too right there setting it off.

1402
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:59,639
Speaker 2: And then I got uh, I got mj on one wing.

1403
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:00,639
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

1404
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 2: I got Kobe on the other wing. Who who's running that?

1405
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 1: Running that.

1406
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 3: We got?

1407
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 2: You know we got we got White Choker bringing it up.

1408
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 2: Shout to my gators. Man.

1409
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Let's bring him.

1410
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 2: Let White Chok get some love in there, you know

1411
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.

1412
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 1: Like, whereas Waldough, we've been chasing him down to and

1413
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:36,760
Speaker 1: he stayed right around corn come on.

1414
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 3: Less than ten minutes for me, and we can't we

1415
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 3: can't nail him.

1416
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 1: Down.

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01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 2: Come on, man, white shot, he's the best man. I mean,

1418
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 2: he used to come down. He used to come down

1419
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 2: and play pick up with us in the summer Florida. Man,

1420
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 2: what this guy used to do. Man, this is unbelievable.

1421
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 1: The Noise Art Foundation, Uh, tell like how you started that?

1422
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:06,680
Speaker 2: No, No, it's the foundation is a foundation that I

1423
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:10,719
Speaker 2: started with my mother. Uh. Giving the kids an outlet

1424
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 2: after school programs, letting them, you know, express themselves through sports,

1425
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 2: expressing us through art. My mom's an art therapist, so

1426
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 2: she goes and she does art therapy with the kids.

1427
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:30,839
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful, beautiful work. And then we have coaches

1428
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 2: who go in there and and do the basketball thing

1429
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 2: with the with the guys, and we have guys who

1430
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 2: are coming in and be able to talk to them

1431
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:44,679
Speaker 2: about more than basketball life. Still, shout out to everybody

1432
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 2: that Major Adams doing all that good work, because we've

1433
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 2: been doing that all COVID guys, guys that are in

1434
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 2: the gym, and those guys are the real leaders, guys

1435
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 2: who are in there with the kids every day. You know,

1436
01:12:57,439 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 2: you got to give them credit. Shout out Kobe William,

1437
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 2: everybody at Care of Violence, all the guys out there,

1438
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 2: all the leaders putting their lives on the line for

1439
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 2: the kids. You know, you got to give them credit

1440
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:11,360
Speaker 2: because they're doing that every day and those guys are heroes.

1441
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely solu to them.

1442
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 4: Man, and if if, if y'all could ever use the

1443
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:20,599
Speaker 4: good old knuckleheads chewing d Miles for anything or whatever

1444
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:24,560
Speaker 4: you got, our availability whenever, however, whatever we got you,

1445
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 4: we there.

1446
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:25,879
Speaker 1: For the kids.

1447
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,760
Speaker 2: We love all that and we with you whatever you

1448
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 2: want us to do, we there bro appreciate you, guys.

1449
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:34,639
Speaker 1: I would have one more thing too. I was thinking about,

1450
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 1: like getting the blind beard, you know, going, I'm thinking

1451
01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 1: about what you think of that. You know, I know

1452
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 1: you had you got a few experiences in it, like

1453
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:46,400
Speaker 1: you know.

1454
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:49,719
Speaker 2: I was. I was at Coachella. It was my first

1455
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 2: coach because we were playing in the playoffs every year,

1456
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 2: so it was my first year not playing in the playoffs.

1457
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 2: I was a little bit.

1458
01:13:57,800 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 1: I was.

1459
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 2: I was gone a little bit. You know everybody and

1460
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 2: in Africa, everybody do that. They just bleaching it. Put

1461
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 2: bleaching that ship everybody. I was everybody that I was not.

1462
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:12,760
Speaker 2: Let's do it crazy.

1463
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 3: Nah man, listen. One of the realists, man, one of

1464
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:20,280
Speaker 3: the realists. Man, we so appreciated dog.

1465
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 4: Like I know my city, I got a Q town

1466
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 4: shout town behind me, and I know the city gonna

1467
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 4: appreciate this one.

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01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 3: Man. We know we got love out in Paris. Paris

1469
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:30,840
Speaker 3: is gonna be checking this out. You feel me?

1470
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:34,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, shout out to shout out to.

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01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 1: He.

1472
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:38,439
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

1473
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 2: Those boys show you love love.

1474
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:43,960
Speaker 3: You know we appreciate you pulling up man. You one

1475
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:45,560
Speaker 3: our favorite players and you did it.

1476
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 2: You're twenty dude. You know what I'm saying. You see

1477
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:53,639
Speaker 2: with the boys, with the boys, y'all make them songs

1478
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 2: about you.

1479
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 3: Were cooking up this heat on four twenty for y'all.

1480
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:01,599
Speaker 2: You feel me, respect y'all.

1481
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 4: Well, all right, we want to thank y'all for your

1482
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:14,759
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01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:16,800
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