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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always

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Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. That's the man the myth

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Speaker 1: Legend are one and only superproducer, Mr Max Williams. They

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Speaker 1: call me Ben Noel. You and I being guys of

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Speaker 1: a of a certain age, we are familiar with the

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Speaker 1: triumphs and the travesties and the trials of love. Wouldn't

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Speaker 1: you say, oh, in what age? Might that be bad?

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Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever said my true age on

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Speaker 1: the podcast, and it's impolite to be asked. It's illegal

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Speaker 1: for you to ask me that I love, I love.

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Speaker 1: I think you should leave now. But but yeah, we,

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Speaker 1: like most people at some point in their life. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's a hot take. Are going to fall

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Speaker 1: in love. And so much of human culture is built

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Speaker 1: upon explorations of how to express that love right, how

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Speaker 1: to how to find the one and have your cloud

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Speaker 1: Atlas moment or whatever. But here in the US we

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Speaker 1: all grow up with a holiday dedicated to this. Uh.

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Speaker 1: If you are listening to the show the day it

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Speaker 1: comes out, you deserve some congratulations. You have survived Valentine's Day,

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Speaker 1: and uh, and when we were talking off air and

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Speaker 1: we're like, hey, let's let's figure out a cool, a

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Speaker 1: cool episode to explore Valentine's Day, we knew that you

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Speaker 1: and I had to go to the experts. That's why

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Speaker 1: we're over the Moon or over the weird heart shaped thing.

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Speaker 1: To welcome back our returning special guests, the creators, the

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Speaker 1: co host the masterminds Ofridiculous Romance, Eli and Diana Bates.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on the show. Guys, everybody, you know,

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Speaker 1: we don't know everything about the ways of love, and

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Speaker 1: we know enough to know what we don't know and

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Speaker 1: to come to the experts on you know, unraveling this.

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Speaker 1: Uh Freudian not was that a thing? A Gordian k

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Speaker 1: nots a thing? But I went I went with Freudian

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Speaker 1: not because I think that would have something to say

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Speaker 1: about your not talk sheepshank kind of situation. Freudian slipknot. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: oh oh my goodness, we're making magic today that we're

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Speaker 1: Freudian slip not. We definitely, we definitely give our spooky masks. Yes. So,

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Speaker 1: so we had such a great time when you all

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Speaker 1: came over to the show, previously. Do check out that

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Speaker 1: episode if you haven't yet. Ridiculous Historians, and you know,

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Speaker 1: we've made no no secret about it that we're Max,

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Speaker 1: Noel and I are all big, big fans of Ridiculous Romance.

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Speaker 1: So get the to your podcast network or platform of

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Speaker 1: choice and check out the show today. The episodes all

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Speaker 1: slap at least in my opinion, and you're gonna you're

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Speaker 1: best way to make that case is to introduce you

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Speaker 1: to some stuff you probably didn't know about Valentine's Day.

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Speaker 1: Like I think we all have those memories from like

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Speaker 1: grade school, elementary school, people would hand out Valentine's to

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Speaker 1: Pokemon thing. Oh no, buddies, it's not even like a

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Speaker 1: relationship between these two events got wildly exaggerated over the

423
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: great game of telephone that is history, right, It's like,

424
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: and then why do we lose all the metal stuff

425
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: if they are related? You know what I mean? Yeah, Well,

426
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: I think the implication is that that poed Pope replaced

427
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: Lupercalia with this other festival um, which may or may

428
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 1: not have been St. Valentine's Day um. But but there's

429
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 1: really no evidence to support that. Uh. There's a scholar

430
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 1: by the name of Jack Rock who says that no

431
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: point does Glaciers speak of compromise or of adapting any

432
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: Pagan customs. It just drives me crazy. He says that

433
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 1: the Roman story keeps circulating and circulating. They're also very

434
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: popular legends about lupercalia, the feature women or young girls

435
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: writing their names on pieces of paper that would be

436
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 1: drawn from a box by boys. Um, those are, according

437
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 1: to many scholars, also kind of fabrications. Good because they

438
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: sound like key parties. Yeah, it legit like they were

439
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: matched up by lottery. That's so weird. And I guess

440
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: some of them stuck, or the legend is that some

441
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: of them would stick. And that's right, that's right, okay, okay,

442
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: But I don't know. Feel feels like a lot of

443
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: this is is bs uh. I don't think we're any

444
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: closer understanding the true origin of Valentine's Day. Also interesting

445
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: to me, the Pope came in and was like this,

446
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: this is shameful, this is lustful. You shouldn't be doing this,

447
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: but made no mention of like please stop whipping women

448
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: with bloody goat hides the problem. That's not the problem.

449
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: Like the dogs bung and around Dong ping pong party

450
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: part I could come off with, I'm wanna rescind my

451
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: earlier request to celebrate the old pagan festival. The only

452
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: woman present, I mean you lost sacrifice? Oh no, no,

453
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: it was several goats and a dog. Right, Oh yeah, man,

454
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: forget it. See like with the goat. Look, I respect

455
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: other people's cultures, and you know, my my diplomatic question

456
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: is like, what are the goats personalities? Are they like jerks?

457
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: Are they? Are they goat criminals? You know? Because in

458
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: that case, fine, but I can't imagine just killing a

459
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,719
Speaker 1: dog man I love dogs, didn't do it somewhat unrelated. Um,

460
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: I've been I've become obsessed with this film. I've been

461
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: like going down this Criterion collection rabbit hole. I got

462
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: the channel and I'm just like obsessively just devouring all

463
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: this weird classic art cinema. And there's this film called

464
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: The Color of Pomegranates that's, um, it's like, I'm not Iranian,

465
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: um Armenian film. And it's the story of this poet

466
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: who almost looks like this kind of christ like figure.

467
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: And I only bring it up because it has this

468
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: kind of ritualistic quality to if you've ever seen any

469
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: movies by Jodorowski, everything's kind of a weird tableau of like,

470
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: you know, different iconography and like, you know, all these

471
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: these characters there's kind of doing things in a very

472
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: wide field of frame, and there are just some things

473
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: in this where I'm like, is this really a ritual

474
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: that happened that's like historically accurate or is this just

475
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: some weird styled on psychedelic version of something that seems

476
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: from remotely plausible. And that's how this whole goat ritual

477
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: strikes me. It's like there's parts of it that seemed

478
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: like okay, I can see that, but like why the

479
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: slapping and then the milk detail, Like who came up

480
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: with these ideas and where do they come? Fared? It

481
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: was a weird epic drinking party, and when a bunch

482
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: of people get together and they drink a lot, then

483
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: increasingly absurd stuff starts to sound like a good idea. Right,

484
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: this is this is like a hold my beer celebration,

485
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: you know what I meant. We just had an episode

486
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: come out on our show of where a guy married

487
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: his goat and he was thrilled about it, very thrilled.

488
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: Good goats, good goats, hard to find. Yeah, said that down.

489
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: It was nicely because he said, the goats the best

490
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: wife he's ever had, and he's had four before her.

491
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: Because the goat can't talk and doesn't ask for money

492
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: to go shopping, can't get pregnant, and Also, she can't talk.

493
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: He said it, so the implication is that he's he's yeah, exactly,

494
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: GA consummated it. Okay, Um, well, apparently the priest only

495
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: agreed because there would be no sex involved. It was

496
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: just a companionship thing. But I was like, that sounds

497
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: like something you tell the priest to, Like me, Why

498
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: don't even bother marrying understand? I don't know. Does he

499
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: get shaken down at the petting zoo? Does he have

500
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: to be able to be sorry? I'm taking by the

501
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: night you wanted to make an honest goat of her?

502
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: I guess we go? There we go, So Ben, you're

503
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: the punt goat my friend. It's too kinds all his

504
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: wives she was so um, you know, I guess do

505
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: what makes you have? Okay, I'm gonna have to just

506
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: listen to that episode I haven't heard yet within reason,

507
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: you know, with that one, because it's like the animals

508
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 1: don't exactly say yes yeah uh. There's also I just

509
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: want to shout out there is also a most Beautiful

510
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: Goat contest that takes place in the Middle East. Um

511
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: the winner. The winner that I saw was a Damascus goat,

512
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: which looks very messed up if you get a chance

513
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: to google it. No, I I inflicted that picture on

514
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: you in the past. Another one, another one. Yeah, but

515
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: we know that. Oh yeah, I know those goats. It's

516
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: got like a oh god. You know what this goat

517
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: reminds me of is this. It looks like a shadow puppet.

518
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: You're making a guerrilla shadow puppet on the wall, Like, sorry,

519
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: please go ahead. No. Do you remember in Willow when

520
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: they killed the troll and threw it into the river

521
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: and then it grew into that giant monster head look

522
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: remarkably like this goats very sloping. It's the most sloping

523
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: brow I've ever seen. And the eyes are like like

524
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: iguana eyes. It was like one on either side. Like well,

525
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 1: that was at least once or twice decreed the most

526
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: beautiful goat in the world. Uh. The fact that they're

527
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: using beautiful to describe the contest cheek there, I think, Yeah,

528
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, but they're serious. Look, beauty is in

529
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: the horizontal pupil i of the beholder. Yes, yes, and

530
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: we know that, so we know that psychologically for human beings,

531
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: when you are experienced affection, when you're experiencing amorous love, right,

532
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: so romantic love, not just like, hey, I really think

533
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: my mom and dad are cool or something like that,

534
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: or I like my siblings. When you have when you

535
00:34:55,640 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: are in the midst of that honeymoon period, you're are painted,

536
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: your heart is in your chest, You've got a crush,

537
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: and the whole world gets just a little bit more

538
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: exciting and things are a little bit more high stakes.

539
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: You start to realize, or I think people realize in

540
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: retrospect that maybe their perceptions were a little skewed, you

541
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like you, that's why we call

542
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: it the honeymoon period. After you've been in a relationship

543
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: for a while and and you know each other very well,

544
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: then you start to acknowledge the ideosyncrasies and the warts.

545
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: But everybody was aware of the idea of being what

546
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: we call head over heels, and they were so aware

547
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: of this in ancient times that they made a mascot

548
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: for it. They were like, what's the best way to

549
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: express that sensation of love to embody it? It should

550
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,720
Speaker 1: be a sexy baby that shoots you with it, you know, arrows.

551
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: And everyone was like, Everyone's like, nailed it, dude, We're done.

552
00:35:54,800 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: This is great. That's our next thing. That's something Diana,

553
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: you had some great research on this. It is something

554
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: that had always kind of confused me. And if I'm

555
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: being candid, no judgment, it creepy out just a little bit.

556
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: We're talking about Cupid. Cupid, Cupid. You know, we all

557
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:24,240
Speaker 1: we don't know Cupid. It's like a cherubic looking little

558
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 1: creature that is a naked or mostly or nudice baby

559
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: that has tiny wings and it has usually like a

560
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: very adorable bow and arrow. Yeah, the Cupid we know,

561
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: and this is like this guy's time to shine this week.

562
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: As as the episode is playing, the Cupid that we

563
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: know is totally ripped off from the Romans by the Greeks,

564
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: which is like tail as old as time at this point.

565
00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: They just ran through Grecian mythology and we're like, I

566
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: kind of change the names, you know, how like how

567
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 1: like there's arrow in d c and then there's Hawkeye

568
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: in Marvel, and everybody's just sort of like pretending those

569
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: were original ideas. So so that's what we're at with Cupid.

570
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: H He Also, the idea of Cupid comes from the

571
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: Greek myth of arrows e r o s dot arrows,

572
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: because that would make too much sense, I guess. Uh,

573
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 1: the the picture that we have actually become, it has

574
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: a story behind it. So Cupid was regarded as the

575
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: child of some divine couple, some supernatural couple, and the

576
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: story changes. Sometimes it's like Heaven and Earth. Sometimes it's

577
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: Aries and Aphrodite. But he used to be not a

578
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 1: baby Arrows. The original Arrows was you know, kind of cut,

579
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: you know. He he he put in his app day right,

580
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 1: and that like like a like a like a buff

581
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,240
Speaker 1: baby like in that I think you should leave sketches.

582
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: Look at a little karba beef. That's a buff baby,

583
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: right he was. He was like a handsome dude who

584
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: later got infantalized, you know, and and turned into this um,

585
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: this less saucy deity uh k of a cherub. Right

586
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: is a cherub. Yeah, he's cherubic. So he also didn't

587
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: always just have the little love zappy arrows. He had

588
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: golden arrows that would make you fall in love. But

589
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: if you caught him on a bad day, he had

590
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: lead arrows to make you, you know, just a pill

591
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: to people and or like poison you to death, I mean,

592
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: or if right, And so this this made him somewhat

593
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 1: of a trickster fer. This also made him an agent

594
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: of chaos, and Greeks wanted to make the guys seem

595
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: a little more friendly back when he was Arrows. So

596
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: they started saying, Okay, let's I don't know a better

597
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 1: way to say it. The Greeks started propagating the story

598
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: with some changes, and they said, basically, we're going to

599
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: make Cupid or Arrows as they called him, a goon.

600
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: So he has some powers, but he is, uh, he's

601
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: kind of childlike. He's a real mama's boy, right, and

602
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: and this is something you found, Diana, and then uh,

603
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: that concept to make him to like rebrand him as

604
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,439
Speaker 1: a little bit more approachable. Let's lean into the love

605
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: stuff and lean away from his like hate mongering power

606
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: set and h. And then as time continues, Renaissance painters,

607
00:39:55,520 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: you know, who were just so like annoyingly into ancient Greece,

608
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And they're like everything reminds

609
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: them of ancient Greece, but at the same time they're

610
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: taking a lot of liberties with their imagining. So they're

611
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: the ones kind of like how Coca Cola made the

612
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 1: version of Santa Claus that Americans are familiar with Renaissance

613
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: painters said, Okay, he's childlike, let's make him speaking a

614
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: sexy baby, you know. And that's where you see all

615
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: these paintings of Arrows as Cupid who is like a

616
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: well fed boy being polite, a well fed boy who

617
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: has a bow and arrow. But now they just now

618
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 1: they just create love. Now he's like a care bearer. Okay,

619
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: and I can always love you want, not love you

620
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: don't want another part because I think Arrows would make

621
00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: you fall in love like unrequited or as a right.

622
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 1: This Cupid only ever does what you want. I think

623
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: is part of it's very harmless. Yes, yeah, it's it's

624
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: a newer, friendlier Cupid. And I love the point you

625
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: make there, because yeah, Arrows was a a trickster and

626
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: through the lens of myth. That's actually that's actually really

627
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: interesting way to explore the problems of romantic love, you know,

628
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: like there are people who have that I wish I

629
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: could quit you moment all the time. And to be

630
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: able to personify that is first it makes people feel

631
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 1: a little less terrible about themselves because it's like, it's

632
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: not me, it's that baby that I saw flying around earlier, baby, baby,

633
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: we'll get out of my mind. Usually full nude or

634
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: just draped with some sort of ribbon that's obscuring us. Yeah, carefully. Yeah,

635
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: but a little red butt poking right out. He's got

636
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: a ruddy booty. Yeah. This is uh, yeah, he's that's

637
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: what we're talking about. He's a great example of nudis right.

638
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 1: He's doesn't have a main garment. But I like I

639
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: like hardcore and Newdots because it just sounds really holy.

640
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: That sounds good too. Yeah. So where does this take us?

641
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: There are all sorts of stories featuring Cupid. The comic

642
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: book analogy holds, I would say, because you know, every

643
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,280
Speaker 1: every member of a superhero team gets their own spinoff

644
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: series at some point in the world of comics and

645
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: probably increasingly in the world of Marvel films. But you

646
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: see him have run ins with bees during his time

647
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: as a honey thief. He's associated with dolphins. He likes

648
00:42:55,239 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: to ride dolphins. Uh, and and he got his character

649
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: or I guess I couldn't. If I could, I guess

650
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: I would. I feel like it would be Yeah, if

651
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: it was like a game time decision, you know, I'm

652
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: if I'm drowning and a dolphin comes up and offers

653
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: to save me. As I guess that's how I would

654
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: end up doing it. Go it. Remember that Sega game

655
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 1: Echo of the Dolphins. It was really depressing. It was

656
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: about like the environment just deteriorating, and not only this

657
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 1: one dolphin could save us with the power of dolphin

658
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: love and sonar and a really sad soundtrack. M And

659
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: the way I played that game, I was not going

660
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: to save the world from It was hard, remember, very hard,

661
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: all of these. So many of those, like well intentioned

662
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: ecology oriented video games, were unfairly difficult. Like Captain Planet

663
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 1: was the worst. You probably couldn't they would, you would

664
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: get No one's ever beat them, and if you did,

665
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: they were like, actually didn't. It all requires personal changes

666
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 1: that are going to be very hard. The real winner

667
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: in this game is recycling, right, like that kind of stuff.

668
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 1: But but when we get to when we get to

669
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: the modern Cupid, which you have probably seen in the

670
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 1: days leading up to this week, and you'll probably see

671
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: them in discount shelves at your local pharmacy or grocery

672
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: store whatever. Um, we're pretty lucky to have the version

673
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: of Cupid we have now for a time, Cupid was

674
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: the victim of character assassination medieval mythographers. That's right, Christianity's

675
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: coming back. We didn't drop it, medieval mythography, mythographers. We're

676
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: trying to adapt these Greco Roman myths to fit into

677
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: the world view of Christianity at the time, and they

678
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: ended up paying them as a demon, demon of fornication. Yes, yeah,

679
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: and they said, you know, he's uh, he's seductive, but

680
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 1: he's malicious. He exploits your desires. He's like hanging out

681
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: with him as a gateway drug descent, and you can't ever, Yeah,

682
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: you can't trust him. He's got a depraved, perverse mind. Uh,

683
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: and you have to show him. You have to show

684
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: that he's naked because he's wild and unreliable, and he is.

685
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: His head is filled with lust. He is a rational

686
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: man boy who is ruining the world because you can't

687
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: just keep it together. Luckily that faded out over time,

688
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: and now we have this more again, this more sanitized

689
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: version that people people think of as kind of a

690
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 1: mascot for Valentine's State. He's not a main character mascot

691
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: the way that Santa is for Christmas. But I would

692
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: argue that he's the closest thing to a mascot Valentine's

693
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: Day has, and I think he's ready for a reboot,

694
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I don't know, you know

695
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: where we take it. Franchise of Films, Cinematic Universe, crass,

696
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: there you go, all the many faces of Cupid. I

697
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: was just thinking about how the you know, when the

698
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: Romans took over the myth from the Greeks, it was

699
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: basically there soft reboot of cubid. Kevinist Vigus comes in

700
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: and says, you know, market research says, they don't like,

701
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: they don't like these lead arrows anymore, so let's make

702
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 1: them all happy and make the shape like big pink

703
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: hearts of the era. Yeah, and then someone's like, you

704
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: know who I think is really hot? Someone else goes

705
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 1: babies right, and they're like, yeah, Like, how do you

706
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: know you were in the right room for that one?

707
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: I guess you could be in a wrong room for

708
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 1: that one. But I've gotta I gotta set up here

709
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 1: for our next exploration here. Obviously, Valentine's Day got associated

710
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: with Cupid because it's a personification, because he's on brand

711
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: with falling in love with people and all the mysteries

712
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: of how that works. I also, as paper products get

713
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: mass produced and as postage costs drop, Cupid is getting

714
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: slapped on Valentine's Day cards. When I think of you,

715
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: the you know, the implication is I feel like, uh,

716
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: shot through the heart with affection. Uh. And and there's

717
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: still there's something else, subtle that happened there, which is

718
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: that in the original story of Cupid, it wasn't always

719
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: like um, it wasn't always consensual love. It might be

720
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: something that creates an unpleasant situation, and that brings us

721
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: to our last story. This is something I have not

722
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: heard about. But when I first read the phrase vinegar

723
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: Valentine's I thought, just tell someone you don't like them.

724
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: You know. What made me think of it made me

725
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: think of dying Easter eggs for some reason, because you

726
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: always there's always that vinegar smell. And that's what my

727
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: mind immediately went to, is, Okay, this must be a

728
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 1: use of actual vinegar in preparing these Valentines. That is

729
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: not the case. It's more like like vinegar as as

730
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: outright aggression. Right, yes, yeah, vinegar from your my emotions.

731
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 1: My emotions are vinegar and it's sending it to you.

732
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: But yes, Vinegar, Valentine's are hilarious and amazing and rude. Um.

733
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, as dare we say, body right? Well for

734
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: Victorian times, I guess they were pretty body um. But yeah,

735
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: so as as you're saying, Ben, people got really into

736
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: sending cards on Valentine's Day, mostly because postage got cheaper. Um.

737
00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: In eighteen forty Britain started the uniform penny posts that

738
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,399
Speaker 1: allowed anyone in England to send something in the mail

739
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: for just one penny, and like the next year half

740
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 1: a million Valentine's cards were sent, so that just really

741
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: opened the floodgates. The same thing happened in America, and

742
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: after the eighteen fifties Congress voted to decrease posted raids.

743
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: So everybody was like, sweet, in these repressed Victorian times,

744
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: I can finally express my sentiments through the anonymity of

745
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: the mail. And at first, and of course people got

746
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: into a huge industry of this. At first, Valentine's were

747
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: really they were handmade and they were incredibly expensive. Um.

748
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 1: In England, Jonathan King of London was the premier Valentine maker.

749
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: There's a hallmark archivists and historian Samantha Bradbeer who runs

750
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: a like a whole blog about Hallmark history, and she

751
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: wrote an article about Vinegar Valentine's. She says, king pioneer

752
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: decorative lace paper and unusual design using bits of tinsel, feathers,

753
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: and flowers as accents. So pretty okay, So this is

754
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: like like his little own Etsy store for scrap booking. Yeah,

755
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: Like you can imagine m late at night gluing all

756
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: the lace down and writing a very pretty cursive like

757
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:25,399
Speaker 1: I love you on their something weird like like you up. Yeah.

758
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: The next episode we've got coming is also about scrap

759
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: book for the future of ridiculous history. If we get

760
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 1: to do that episode, We've had it in the kitty

761
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 1: for a minute and various events and life. I was

762
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: in my shelter of solitude, but you brought me out now,

763
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: Like this episode is cursed? Why do you say that

764
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: on air? Own? Because I want to do that. I

765
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: want to do We initially were kind of like, I think,

766
00:50:58,000 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: dragging our feeling it because we thought it was a

767
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 1: little but the more we both read into it, um,

768
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: there's a lot of uh. There can be a lot

769
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: of sexual uh release, some kind of tension and release.

770
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: It wrapped up in scrap booking. Can they're not, Diana?

771
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: I hope not in any scrap book anybody's ever given me. Well,

772
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: I actually used to love scrap booking, and I've been

773
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: to a scrap booking conference before. If you can, everybody

774
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: has the keeper you could buy like little stickers, and

775
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 1: people have full, like rolling suitcases of glue sticks. Since

776
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: I was like pretty interesting peek into that world, I

777
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: bet people were hooking up in that conference. I was

778
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: too young to know about that. The darker side of

779
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: the scrap booking. I believe it. I believe it. There's

780
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: a conference for everything, and I really love going to

781
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: conferences for very specific stuff. It's I've like snuck into

782
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: a John dear Try conference before. Yeah, their security wasn't

783
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 1: super tight because you know, I went to I went

784
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: to like a talk about tractors. I know, right, but uh,

785
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: but when you're when you're talking about scrap booking, you know,

786
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 1: we we have a lot of people in the audience

787
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: today who are probably also either scrap book collectors or

788
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: they kept one maybe um their relatives made, or they

789
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 1: themselves scrap book It's it's neat because It's a piece

790
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 1: of tangible history and for a lot of people during

791
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,439
Speaker 1: this Valentine's Day card boom. You know, it's like day

792
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: made if someone. If someone sends you, they go out

793
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 1: of their way to send you something nice. Especially it's

794
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: so elaborate. Like you mentioned, um, you mentioned, these Valentine's

795
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,800
Speaker 1: were pricey as you guys remember on our show we

796
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: do something called an inflation calculator. Do we know how

797
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: much money were talking here? Like how how deep in

798
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: the hole did you have to go to let somebody

799
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 1: know you were into their vibe? We got to do

800
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: the boobs bob. That's the sound of the inflation calculator,

801
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: very high. Yeah, well, I'll stay on. In America, this

802
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: woman esther Howland in Worcester, Massachusetts, made her first fancy Valentine.

803
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: It was like much like Jonathan King, elaborate, lace edged

804
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: valentine and her brother took it along on a selling

805
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 1: trip because her family had like a printing press thing,

806
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 1: and he came home and surprised her with that people

807
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: were paying as much as fifty dollars for one of

808
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: her cards, which again that's eighteen forty nine that he

809
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: was run around the country selling these so today that

810
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 1: would be one thousand, seven eighty seven dollars. Jeez, that's

811
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 1: a pricey card, Diana. I'm want to do you a

812
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: solid and keep you from getting yelled by the internet. Uh.

813
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 1: That city in Massachusetts reference is pronounced Wooster, saving the

814
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: pedantic people from the effort. You know, No, I appreciate it.

815
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 1: You know, we we have to get our pronunciations right.

816
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: It's very important. It's funny how often like will be

817
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: in uh, India or South Korea or something, and we

818
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: work really hard and we get the pronunciations, and then

819
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: we'll be in like Washington State and totally botch it. Oho,

820
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: that turns out that guy. I don't think people people

821
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: should feel bad about that, because the English language is

822
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:40,760
Speaker 1: such an agglomeration of stuff people didn't think carefully about.

823
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: And you know, and now now we have to carry

824
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 1: the sins of speakers who came before us. Uh. But

825
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not one to talk really about pronunciation

826
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 1: or getting things wrong. The last time I was in Korea,

827
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: I spent the better part of a week. Like when

828
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,399
Speaker 1: you walk in stores, they're phrases you say that are

829
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 1: like hello, and people walk in and I would walk

830
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: in and slow and say hello, you know, as you're

831
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:09,800
Speaker 1: walking in the store. And then I would try to

832
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 1: say hello back, and I thought I had learned to

833
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: write like a proper, pretty formal way to say it,

834
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 1: but instead what I was saying was where am I?

835
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: And this man is confused a huge stage. I was like, smiling,

836
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:27,959
Speaker 1: I would wait. They thought you'd gone mad. I said

837
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: that it was terrible. I said the same thing when

838
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: I left, too, like I didn't. We didn't think that's

839
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: really endearing that I love. I love thinking about love.

840
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: I would love to see a Korean soap opera where

841
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 1: they're just dealing with this random character cameo with tourists

842
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 1: who comes in just as where am I, and they're like, hell,

843
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: you should very it's very lynchy and kind of think.

844
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: I was gonna say you should bring that home and

845
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: just in English next time you walk into the store,

846
00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 1: open with where am I where? Yeah. It wasn't until

847
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: we were riding back to the airport and in this

848
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:12,399
Speaker 1: brilliant taxi driver who's polyglot, was like, oh, you've you've

849
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: learned some Korean. Give it a go, and uh then

850
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: it really sank in and he uh he laughed his

851
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: ass off. He's like, you fool exactly exactly he was.

852
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,399
Speaker 1: He told me, um, what do you say? He said

853
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: something like, well, you know, at least you're trying to

854
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: speak one language, right and uh they said it in

855
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: good fun but whatever. That has nothing to do if

856
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: you're listening to this. If you're listening to this, sir,

857
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: thank you for setting me straight. Um pronunciation aside, That

858
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: is a hefty investment. Like I know, I know people

859
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 1: who are in um really committed like long term relationships,

860
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: whether they're married or not, and they may just be

861
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: complete e uh into each other, but even they would

862
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: bulk it's spending almost two grand on a card, you know,

863
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 1: and honestly be mad at you if you did. Spin

864
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: would hope they get me a card. I feel like

865
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: there's so many other things like the original n f

866
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: T s kind of you know, it's like there's a

867
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: stupid overvalued thing. At least it was real, you could

868
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: hold it, and there really was only one of them,

869
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: one of them. Yeah, it's funny again. This teas the

870
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: next episode We're gonna do It is about a form

871
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: of scrap booking. The term it reminds me of our friend, Uh,

872
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:40,919
Speaker 1: and composer and brother of Max Alex Williams show called

873
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: ephemera or ephemeral rather um. But the things like that

874
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: real life kind of you know, um Pinterest board items

875
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 1: are considered you know, pieces of ephemera. Um. They are

876
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 1: you know, perishable over time, and they're just kind of

877
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: weird little memory things, you know. I think it's interesting

878
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: that word was used a whole lot of their research

879
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: for that upcoming up. Oh and we're going somewhere with this, folks.

880
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: So they're really expensive nice Valentines, Diana. Those aren't the

881
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,919
Speaker 1: vinegar Valentines? Are they? No? No, no, no, And of course,

882
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 1: you know, not everybody wanted it could or wanted to

883
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: spend two grand on a Valentine's card. So as printing

884
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: press technology got better and better, a lot more cheaper

885
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: printed cards. They weren't handmade anymore, so they were much

886
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: much cheaper started getting printed out. But not all of

887
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: them were nice, not all of them were meant to

888
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: express love and affection. Of the millions of cards sent

889
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: in London in the nineteenth century, it's estimated that nearly

890
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: half were vinegar Valentines, which were overtly mean or hustle messages,

891
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: and they were sent for a variety of reasons, especially

892
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: when like the Suffragette movement started. There were a lot

893
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: of very politically slanted ones and stuff like that, but

894
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: mostly just then it, you know, to be a ruined

895
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 1: so would stay and I think we should read a few.

896
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm so excited. Here we go. This

897
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: one is untitled, I assume, um, but let's just call

898
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: it The Lemon tis a lemon. I hadn't you and

899
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: bid you now scannoo because I love another there's no

900
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: chance for you. I love a good skan doo you Ryan.

901
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 1: I didn't even know what man scandoo I did. I

902
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: I guess it'd be like goodbye. It means all get

903
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 1: out of here. They went out of their way to

904
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 1: send that to someone, you know what, the straight up

905
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: a picture of like someone holding a lemon and handing

906
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: it like they did not they didn't get abstract with

907
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: the artwork. Oh my god, there's illustrations too. That's this

908
00:59:55,720 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 1: is fun. This is fun. Yeah, that one's kind of

909
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: on the On the same side, I would say, yeah, yeah, uh,

910
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: there's like, let's look at another example you found, which

911
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 1: was no, I don't know if you heard I was

912
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 1: doing kind of like a snapping along like yeah, it

913
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: feels like it feels like you know, so I married

914
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: a nax murderer like woman. Who man, I'm gonna watch

915
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 1: that later. He's here we go. You've opened the car.

916
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 1: It's February four. You're excited you've got mail, only to

917
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: find that the card says the following. He said, you

918
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 1: share your love with many, but I believe you have

919
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: not any at least enough to give away. Keep it

920
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: for your sales. They say, I don't know why that

921
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: guy is so arch is it? First he's accusing him

922
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 1: of being lecturers and like having multiple parties with the

923
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: saying Psyche can't get Annie's son? Is that? Basically? I

924
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 1: think it's like you don't love anyone but yourself, you

925
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: selfish jerk. That's what I read. It's like just a site,

926
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: like a hit piece on someone's perceived personality. They're like, hey,

927
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: I wanted to take this occasion to tell you that

928
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: I think you're a dick. Yeah, there was one and

929
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 1: I didn't keep because it wasn't as funny. But it

930
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 1: was just about how she read novels all day and

931
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 1: so she didn't have time for a relationship. Oh my god.

932
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: It's like whenever you get reads of characters, maybe you

933
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 1: get to the world of like media correspondence. So the

934
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: predecessors of social media. It's just true time and time again.

935
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 1: The misogyny is real. Like these guys are these guys

936
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: are thinking like they're paying for these cards, and a

937
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: lot of them were dudes, right as you said, got

938
01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 1: politicized and they were honestly having these conversations with themselves

939
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 1: where they were like, yeah, this might be a little expensive,

940
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: but what price can you really put on being a jerk?

941
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 1: You know, man's got to have a code. There's some

942
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: Victorian meme of like her opening the card and having

943
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: a horrible face, and like that face is priceless. We

944
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:29,479
Speaker 1: should film that. We should film that's already the Visa

945
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 1: Vinegar Valentine skit. I'm just imagining, you know, receiving one

946
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 1: of these and the injury he sustained. This poor guy.

947
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: He opens it up. It says, the kiss of the

948
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:46,919
Speaker 1: bottle is your heart's delight and fuddled. You reel home

949
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 1: to bed every night. What care you for, damsels, no

950
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 1: matter how fair. Apart from your liquor, you have no

951
01:02:54,760 --> 01:03:04,479
Speaker 1: love to spare. So it's a drunk yeah. What else

952
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: it's like like like like drunken, got it? Yeah? Yeah.

953
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 1: But so it's basically saying, I would like to take

954
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 1: the opportunity on this Valentine state. Let you know that

955
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:21,439
Speaker 1: I think you're a bad person and an alcoholic. Yeah,

956
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 1: even if I were the hottest girl in the world,

957
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 1: you wouldn't care. This could even be well intentioned if

958
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 1: you read it right, you know, like, hey, you know

959
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 1: you don't even care about your love life drinking so

960
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:41,919
Speaker 1: much A trying to help, Yes, But as I said,

961
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 1: a lot of they did get politicized during the suffragette movement,

962
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 1: and there's several with like women on soapboxes and they're

963
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 1: very not complimentary of the women's suffragists. No surprise there. Um.

964
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 1: So this one was sent by an ordinary man trying

965
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 1: to get the ladies to shut the hell up about voting.

966
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 1: To a modern woman, you have got the vote and

967
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 1: think it's your mission to go to the polls like

968
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 1: a bum politician. And while you are voting, your husband

969
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 1: must roam for something to eat, which he can't find

970
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:18,919
Speaker 1: at home. He's getting dyspepsia and can't work for pain,

971
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 1: your children neglected, ask for you in vain while you

972
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 1: make speeches from a broken soapbox. Your family is wearing

973
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 1: soiled clothes and torn socks. Damn, really really hitting home,

974
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 1: getting personal. First of all, it doesn't take that long

975
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 1: to vote, so you can wait. Second of all, make

976
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 1: a sandwich. Third of all, yeah, it's like we had

977
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 1: a mom, but she disappeared for two years. She walked

978
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 1: out to vote and hasn't come back. Is that like,

979
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 1: did they think, Yeah? Did they think women suffrage was

980
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 1: like the female gendered version going out for like dad

981
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 1: going out for cigarettes. Yeah? Probably, I guess it's just

982
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 1: I guess it was politically smart to position them as

983
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 1: like women not taking care of their families, so they're

984
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 1: out there with their picket signs or whatever. But it's

985
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 1: very annoying to read it. If I were a stufford jet,

986
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 1: I would have been very angry to receive this. As

987
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 1: he went, he went fall in with two stanzas too

988
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 1: went on, I got more to say. I didn't even

989
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 1: get to the socks yet. And even worse than the

990
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 1: Valentines themselves and how mean they are. They were usually

991
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 1: sent c O D or cast on delivery, which meant

992
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,959
Speaker 1: that you had to pay to read your hate mail.

993
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 1: You had to give a penny for some you didn't

994
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 1: even want, did you collect? It's like the cherry on top,

995
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 1: so you pay for it before you know what's in

996
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 1: it too. Yeah, yeah, it's kind of a Valentine how sweet?

997
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 1: Of course I'll pay a penny. What you would hope

998
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: that word would spread? That was like, if you're paying

999
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 1: for your Valentine, then it's probably a mean one and like,

1000
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:23,200
Speaker 1: don't pay for it, but I guess not the that's

1001
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 1: literally what they call adding insult to injury. Oh yes,

1002
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 1: and so so are there is This might be a

1003
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 1: dumb question. I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking this.

1004
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 1: Is there still something like a vinegar Valentine's industry? If

1005
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 1: you're listening, please don't do this to someone, But you

1006
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 1: know there might be. I know when I worked at

1007
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 1: a bakery, we would have Valentine's mean Valentine's cookies or

1008
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 1: cakes that you could get like mean messages written on

1009
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah, and I don't think they were incredibly

1010
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 1: popular because you still have to pay for it. So

1011
01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 1: it's like people being like, I don't want to pay

1012
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:02,120
Speaker 1: for that something for this person I don't like anymore,

1013
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 1: but people thought it was very humorous, so it's sold

1014
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:09,560
Speaker 1: like actual real Valentine stuff. While I don't think anyone

1015
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 1: actually really sent the mean messages, but it was very

1016
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 1: effective to get me want to buy. Okay, yeah, yeah,

1017
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's so funny. I guess I'll

1018
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 1: buy a conversation hard for my husband. Okay, okay, yeah,

1019
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:26,439
Speaker 1: I totally forgot about the hearts. I know that there's

1020
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 1: some saucy you know, those little chalk chalky heart candies.

1021
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 1: There's a saucy, salacious versions of them. I don't know

1022
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 1: if there are any mean ones that just you know,

1023
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 1: say stuff like get out or whatever. Right never you

1024
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 1: just okay, So what happened to vinegar Valentine's? Are these?

1025
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 1: Are these preserved anywhere? Or are they you know, like

1026
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 1: you were mentioned earlier? No, would they be relegated to

1027
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 1: the role of ephemera today? Yeah? Uh I think yeah,

1028
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:04,640
Speaker 1: they're more ephemera. Um and Bella Pollen is an art

1029
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: and design historian. She wrote a paper about vinegar Valentine's

1030
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 1: and she's like, now, ones that are actually postmarked don't

1031
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 1: don't survive today because people did not save them pressed

1032
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,439
Speaker 1: between a book they did not want to remember. They

1033
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:21,639
Speaker 1: got him, they usually tore him up. Sometimes postal workers

1034
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 1: would confiscate them if they were too vulgar, if they

1035
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 1: had something to body on there. I guess they're too

1036
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 1: mean that they could see, they would not just not

1037
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:35,519
Speaker 1: deliver them. Um. And often apparently they lead to violence,

1038
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 1: real life violence. Uh. Paulin said. There are contemporary accounts

1039
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:45,639
Speaker 1: from memoirs and newspapers that show that fistfights and court cases,

1040
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:51,919
Speaker 1: suicide and a Tipton murder resulted from getting a vinegar valentine.

1041
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,719
Speaker 1: And there's a pall Mall Gazette story from five about

1042
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:57,680
Speaker 1: a husband who shot his estranged wife after she sent

1043
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:00,720
Speaker 1: him one. So it wasn't just men that sent them.

1044
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:02,679
Speaker 1: I'll say that a lot of women were also trying

1045
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 1: to be jerks. He probably had some other Uh, there

1046
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 1: were probably other things leading up to that, right, Like

1047
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 1: it was, yes, unless it was a really well written,

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Speaker 1: just very cutting vinegar valentine, Like she got to his

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Speaker 1: soul and it was like this was cut too deep.

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Speaker 1: Anything was fine until this and he's like he's like

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Speaker 1: I should have married the goat right full. Yeah, she

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Speaker 1: can't talk or send a vinegar Valentine God. So that

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Speaker 1: I think puts a little bit of a little bit

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Speaker 1: of cold water on how excited I was about resurrecting

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Speaker 1: this idea. We don't want people right, we do want

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01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:46,799
Speaker 1: to shout out super producer Max Williams, who just popped

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Speaker 1: in our chat and helpfully shared the link to wise Cracks,

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Speaker 1: which are the mean little Valentine's stay Hearts? Max, how

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01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:58,759
Speaker 1: did did you just have that in your back pocket?

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Speaker 1: So I was listening to like, you know, fellow podcast Saver.

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Speaker 1: They just did a classic episode about candy hearts and

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Speaker 1: they had mentioned these. I was like, oh yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna him up. And so I found some uh, some

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Speaker 1: of the messages they have on the hearts lay what

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Speaker 1: are they? Are? They as good as Victorian ones? Not

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Speaker 1: as good, you know to be pretty short. But they

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Speaker 1: have one that says dream on, another one that says

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Speaker 1: friend zone. Are these are like updated? Right? Is that

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Speaker 1: what you're saying? Yeah? These are pretty current? I would say.

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Speaker 1: Then they have some of that just have like, you know,

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Speaker 1: a thumbs down emoji, a crown face emoji. Don't you

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Speaker 1: even have the egg plant emoji? You turn? You turn

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Speaker 1: the thumbs down upside down and it's a butt with

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Speaker 1: the thumbs Yeah, I think that's where we had that there,

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Speaker 1: Diana with the positivity right there. That was very very

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Speaker 1: well done. And this this is into the close of

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Speaker 1: our episode today, folks, we hope you enjoyed it at

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Speaker 1: least partially as much as we did. I'd love to

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Speaker 1: hear Valentine's Day stories from other parts of the world,

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Speaker 1: other cultures. But before I hear any of that, I

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Speaker 1: had to go hop on Ridiculous Romance and uh, figure

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Speaker 1: out what's going on with this goat, which is not

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01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 1: a thing I woke up today thinking I would say

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Speaker 1: on air, but no, no, it wasn't for us either.

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Speaker 1: But there's a lot of good stuff in there. Yeah

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Speaker 1: it's messed up. Yeah, goats, dogs, cats together. So we

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Speaker 1: want to I want to thank you both so much,

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Speaker 1: Diane Elive for coming back on the show today, and

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Speaker 1: we'd like to ask, could you you let us in

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01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:57,839
Speaker 1: our audience know where they can learn more about Ridiculous Romance,

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01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:01,640
Speaker 1: where they can find more of your inside and outside

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01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:05,599
Speaker 1: of the show. Absolutely, you can find our show, of course,

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01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 1: anywhere you get your podcasts. You can also follow us

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01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 1: on social media. My personal handle at O Great. It's

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01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 1: Eli on Twitter and Instagram. I'm at Dynamite Boom and

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01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 1: our show is at ridicu Romance. We have some fun

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01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:22,400
Speaker 1: memes up there about our episodes. It's usually worth a look. Yes,

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01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 1: follow along and then we've got new episodes every Wednesday

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Speaker 1: and Friday. Yeah, and you'll also be teaming up with

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Speaker 1: some other members of the Ridiculous What do you call

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01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:36,560
Speaker 1: the Ridiculo verse? I like ridiculverse. I think that was

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Speaker 1: an Eeli Banks original. Yeah, I like ridiculovers or the

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Speaker 1: r RPU for the Ridiculous podcast the Yeah. You will

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Speaker 1: also be sure to tune into the future Ridiculous Romance

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Speaker 1: episode featuring Elizabeth Dutton and Szaren Burnett from Ridiculous Crime.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna be rollicking good time and and nol in

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01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:03,559
Speaker 1: the meanwhile. Man uh, you and I have show social media,

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01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 1: but we are also on the internet as individuals, right,

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01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 1: We are in fact, real, actual human people on the Internet.

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Speaker 1: You can find me on Instagram exclusively where I am

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Speaker 1: at How now, Noel Brown? How about yourself, sir? I

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01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 1: am in a burst of creativity, as I always say,

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01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 1: calling myself at Ben Bolan on Instagram. It just came

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01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:31,760
Speaker 1: to me as an idea. I'm on Twitter stalking Max

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01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 1: Williams as at Ben Bolan hs W Max, do you

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01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:40,439
Speaker 1: want do you want to tell people where you are

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01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 1: so they can help me stalk you. I'm working on

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Speaker 1: some vinegar Valentine's bro Oh yeah, yeah, of course, of course.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I did find it funny that last night

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Speaker 1: you sent me a text message with just the description

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Speaker 1: of my Twitter account. But you can find me on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: at chat at l underscore, Max Willing, I said that

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Speaker 1: because you were dispassionate, and then you said you were

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01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:05,760
Speaker 1: once again passionate. So it's funny because Michigan then beat

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Speaker 1: produced last night, so I'm passionate again. Yes, it's amazing

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Speaker 1: to see that come and go. Well, thanks to you, Max,

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Speaker 1: Thanks to you, Eli, Diana are ridiculous romantics. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: phrase makes sense. If that works, we'll keep it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and Nol, I think maybe you and I have Maybe

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Speaker 1: it's not even a thanks, but it's just like a

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01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 1: show of support for all the people out there navigating

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Speaker 1: the tricky roads of romance, you know what I mean, Yes,

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01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:46,800
Speaker 1: waiting through the troubled, frothy waters, of love. Yes, I

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Speaker 1: do you have in trouble? Just get your goat two

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01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 1: thousand dollar card and he'll eat it. It'll be great,

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Speaker 1: turn out, perfectly huge. Thanks to Alex Williams, who composed

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Speaker 1: this theme, super producer Max Williams. Of course, Um, Jonathan

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Speaker 1: Strickling the quister. We were potentially going to prank Diane

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Speaker 1: and Eli with his presence, uh into coming, but he

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Speaker 1: was unavailable. He was quis terring some other podcast. I

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Speaker 1: guess you didn't have time for us. But another time, Uh,

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Speaker 1: he will be ours. I think we're ahead in the

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01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 1: rankings right now. Let's see who else. Christopher Aciota, Steve

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01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 1: Jeff Cotes here in spirit Yes, yeah, and uh also

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01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 1: big thanks to the various Saint Valentine's. Um. You know

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Speaker 1: it's weird because this show. I realized, guys, this is

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Speaker 1: coming out the day after valentine to Day, which I

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01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 1: didn't clock yet. But even though it might be, this

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01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:45,800
Speaker 1: might now be advice for next year. If someone you're

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01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:48,880
Speaker 1: dating or you're in a relationship tells you they don't

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01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 1: want anything, don't believe them. Do do like some one

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01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:56,600
Speaker 1: small thing, you know, take it, take it for me.

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01:15:57,080 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 1: That stuff comes back just to engl Red Rose and

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01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 1: be like, we're both gonna hold this together and talk

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Speaker 1: about talk about our feelings. Happy Valentine's Day, everyone, Happy,

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01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:13,840
Speaker 1: Happy Valentine's Day. Thanks so much, you guys. We'll see

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Speaker 1: you next time. For more podcasts from My Heart Radio,

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Speaker 1: visit the I heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever

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Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows.