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Speaker 1: This is the best of two pros and a couple

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Speaker 1: Joe with lamar As, Rady Quinn and Jonas Knox on

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Speaker 1: Fox Radio.

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Speaker 2: I told you this song gonna get a little sister.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's old today. I'm over it today.

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Speaker 2: This song sucks. It doesn't suck. I hate that song

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Speaker 2: pretty bad.

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Speaker 3: It's a pretty decent song. But I wouldn't have choke.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I get it though you're a lost boy.

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Speaker 4: Say something as somebody who's authored a few bad songs

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Speaker 4: himself when I was in a band. This song is bad.

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Speaker 4: I am a qualified judge. This song is brutal. But

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Speaker 4: it's the nostalgia though. Yeah, and listen, Halloween's Friday. It's

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Speaker 4: not going to be here that long. So it's this

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Speaker 4: week and then uh man up and vanished like a

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Speaker 4: fart in the wind by next week.

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Speaker 2: Hey, dishevel was awesome? All right? Yeah? Huh?

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Speaker 4: Really, hi, Coop, why I'm sitting here, Coop?

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Speaker 2: It is uh?

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Speaker 5: Hi?

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Speaker 2: Var? How was your birthday?

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Speaker 4: Var? Me?

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Speaker 2: It was great? It was really good. I just slept

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Speaker 2: all day, made a little cake post and then you know,

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Speaker 2: watched the Dodgers. Whoa cake post? Huh?

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Speaker 3: Alright, alright, ether do we have Q No? No, no, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: no Brady Quinn No Brady today. It was his birthday

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Speaker 3: yesterday too, was it really?

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Speaker 2: Are you supposed to say that?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Well, listen, I think everybody knew Big Noon kickoffs.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know. I didn't know. I don't be no

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Speaker 2: because I don't care.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I love y'all, like I really love y'all,

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Speaker 3: like in that way, but I don't like stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: I don't care like I don't care. Yeah, Well, if

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Speaker 3: you tell me like, hey, it's my birthday, I'm be like,

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Speaker 3: happy birthday, you know. But if it's not your birthday

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Speaker 3: and be like, hey, how you doing, it's kind of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you, man, your birthday and got s

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Speaker 2: to do with me? Well, I do know this your

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Speaker 2: birthday to Coop? Happy birthday, Coop? Liked you feel any different?

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Speaker 2: November seventeenth coming up. He's a scorpio two. All right.

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Speaker 3: You see how you gave me a heads up on

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Speaker 3: it's on the seventeenth. I won't remember.

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Speaker 2: I do not expect you to. Yeah, I won't.

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Speaker 3: I will not remember, and nor will I wish you

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Speaker 3: a happy birthday. Unlets you say hey. Unless I hear

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Speaker 3: somebody say hey, happy birthday, Coop, then I'll be like

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Speaker 3: a second third forthcomer to the party, you know.

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Speaker 2: Pause, yeah, respectfully.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's two pros and a cup of Joe.

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Speaker 2: Here be the first one out the gate. Huh. Happy birthday, Coop?

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Speaker 2: Hey cute, Happy birthday? Why something like that? You'd like

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Speaker 2: be jovial? You can't put a little more base in

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Speaker 2: my voice? Happy birthday? A right, there you go, Happy birthday, Coop.

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Speaker 4: I don't want you to misrepresent my whiteness. By the way,

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Speaker 4: it is.

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Speaker 2: Black your vampires.

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Speaker 1: It is.

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Speaker 4: It is a black and drag edition of two Pros

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Speaker 4: and a cup of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 4: No Brady Quinn, it will be LeVar Arrington and myself.

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Speaker 4: For those of you that are new to this version

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Speaker 4: of the show, basically, we're black and dragt because LeVar

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Speaker 3: And I look like Dracula. So no, you are Dracula.

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Speaker 3: Why would you say I look like I'm black? No,

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Speaker 3: I'm black. You don't look.

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Speaker 2: Like you're Dracula. You're Draccula. By twenty three and meters,

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Speaker 2: what the hell I look like I'm black? And by

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Speaker 2: the way you look like you're dra So that's where

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Speaker 2: we're going to go with That is correct.

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Speaker 4: have more on the game that just ended, like I

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Speaker 4: don't know, there was a down Yeah, the uh god,

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Speaker 4: the World Series game that went just under six hours

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Speaker 4: all these sights and sounds from that at Dodger Stadium,

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Speaker 4: which was a long one last night.

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Speaker 3: You couldn't have asked for a better game though, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean, oh yeah, if you're at the TV people

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Speaker 4: I would say it out did the matchup on Monday

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Speaker 4: Night between the Chiefs and the uh your Commanders.

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Speaker 3: They don't look bad at all. They look real that.

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Speaker 3: They really look real feisty. They look real feisty, bro.

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Speaker 4: The whole you know, that whole well super Bowl hangover thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I love how that doesn't apply to the Chiefs,

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Speaker 4: And then Patrick Mahomes just out there dealing man, and

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Speaker 4: the defense is still holding up their end of the bargain.

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Speaker 3: The defense has carried them, Yeah, have always been steady.

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Speaker 4: Their defense has been more consistent than the offense past

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Speaker 3: Like Patrick Mahomes is what everybody thinks he is, and

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Speaker 3: it's it's it's amazing.

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Speaker 3: They said yeah, they said yeah, they said he had

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Speaker 3: Can't pressure Patrick Mahomes and you can't contain him within

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Speaker 2: That's just balance. With Patrick Mahomes.

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Speaker 3: it's not going to get any easier moving forward, considering

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Chiefs of Bills is the next one on the slate.

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Speaker 4: You know how good Kansas City looks right now? Their

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Speaker 2: I mean as they should be.

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Speaker 4: They should be, but that's that's an impressive I don't

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Speaker 3: They should be favorite in Buffalo. They're just too balanced.

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Speaker 3: You can slow them down like Washington slowed them down.

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Speaker 3: They did not have crazy offensive output early in the game.

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Speaker 3: Washington was in the game. They turned the ball over

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Speaker 3: They didn't have their starting quarterback. That should be mentioned.

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Speaker 3: You didn't have Jane Daniels playing in the game. This

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Speaker 3: You know, then Tunsul goes out injured, it's an injured team.

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Speaker 3: evening's game, it's going to be a game. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 4: We talked yesterday at the firing of Brian Kelly LSU

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Speaker 2: It's the world we live in. Everybody's got a voice.

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Speaker 7: It's obviously a tough situation on everybody. I mean, let's

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Speaker 7: People got to make decisions earlier based on how somebody does.

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Speaker 7: And I don't know nothing about it. I know it's

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Speaker 2: You're borrowing it.

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Speaker 7: And I knew right then that if you didn't win,

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Speaker 2: Be there long.

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Speaker 3: Kirby Smart, that's every coach, especially in this in this

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Speaker 3: nil transfer portal era of time. It's every major coaches reality.

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Speaker 3: Like he said, it has created an expectation that is

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Speaker 3: Bowl game and you had a successful season. If you

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Speaker 4: Got people don't remember that the Orange Bowl they mattered.

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Speaker 4: The Orange Bowl mattered, Sugar the Sugar Bowl it mattered.

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Speaker 4: You knew that the Rose Bowl represented the winner of

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Speaker 3: The new office straight fire. Got all the you know,

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Speaker 3: literally like a pimped out, plush Rich Carlton type of

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Speaker 4: Just the way Matt Rule likes it. That's what I'm

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Speaker 3: The point that I'm making is, no matter how much

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Speaker 3: if you don't, if you're not in position to make

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Speaker 4: You know, it's because and it's all like and listen,

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Speaker 4: Kirby Smart makes a great point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the world we live in.

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Speaker 4: And I guess my thought on it is this that

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Speaker 3: Will say that's why somebody said on my comments it's

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Speaker 4: And that's why when when people are like, well, I mean, listen,

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Speaker 4: it's like, okay, but you're operating from your wallet right

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Speaker 3: Your understanding and your standards and your level of you know,

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Speaker 3: He comes across as a tab bit disingenuous. I don't

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Speaker 2: What's six weeks in? So now the shockwaves.

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Speaker 3: Here's the shockwaves that go through that room and then

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Speaker 3: next year? Like you start to name it the training room?

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Speaker 3: Will I have a job next year? You have to

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Speaker 3: It is an entire ecosystem that you're talking about. The

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Speaker 3: But I got to handle the idea that you're making

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Speaker 3: Come on, man, like that now, now you're getting into

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Speaker 4: That's why I just I've been let go. I've been

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Speaker 4: I remember what that and that it's like borderline traumatizing

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Speaker 4: And you've got people out there like, well, he didn't

437
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Speaker 4: he didn't he didn't win a national championship, or he

438
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Speaker 4: didn't go far enough at a college football playoff, he's out

439
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Speaker 4: of here. If you were to tell James Franklin as

440
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Speaker 4: he's walking off the field in Miami at the game

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Speaker 4: that we were at in the semi final, oh, by

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Speaker 4: the way, buddy by by by Halloween, you're you're out,

443
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 4: like well before Halloween the next year, you're out. He'd

444
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Speaker 4: be like, wait, what what are you talking about? Like

445
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Speaker 4: this like none of it makes any sense, But you've

446
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Speaker 4: got the fan base pushing for it. You've got all

447
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Speaker 4: these people that are saying, you know, do this, fire this.

448
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Speaker 4: And it was Nick Saban who made the point on

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Speaker 4: ESPN over the weekend when he said, if I'm taking

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Speaker 4: a Penn State job or a Florida job or some

451
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Speaker 4: job like that, the first thing I need to know

452
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Speaker 4: is who has power here? He goes, I need to

453
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Speaker 4: know whether or not I'm the final say on stuff,

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Speaker 4: or whether or not somebody who's providing, you know, an

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Speaker 4: infusion of cash into the program, whether or not they're

456
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Speaker 4: going to dictate to me and try and tell me

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Speaker 4: how I need to build my roster and how I

458
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Speaker 4: need to build my.

459
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Speaker 3: Is so complicated. It's such a deep rabbit hole because again,

460
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Speaker 3: you're not supposed to how do you say this, Like,

461
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Speaker 3: you can't have a coach be in a situation where

462
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Speaker 3: they're the final word. And at the same time, as

463
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Speaker 3: a coach, you can't be in a situation where you're

464
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 3: not comfortably situated to make big decisions, whether it be

465
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 3: who's playing, whether it be what you're doing. You can

466
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 3: have somebody else dictating to you that way. Now, if

467
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Speaker 3: it extends beyond the parameters of what happens on the

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Speaker 3: football field. That's different, Like what does that look like?

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Speaker 3: What did those conversations look like? I don't know, but

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Speaker 3: I could suspect that. Knowing that you have this guaranteed

471
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Speaker 3: amount of money that could pay an entire roster, and

472
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Speaker 3: you still have comfortably an amount of money that you

473
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Speaker 3: make in your check, you're going to feel a certain

474
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Speaker 3: level of well, go ahead, you wanna fire me, Go ahead, Fine,

475
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Speaker 3: don't bring me here to build the culture to build

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Speaker 3: a winner, and you're not giving me the freedom and

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Speaker 3: the autonomy to be able to do it. That's why

478
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Speaker 3: you have these large ass contracts being given out from

479
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Speaker 3: these large ass schools to get a coach that can

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Speaker 3: bring them a national title. The biggest complication moving forward

481
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Speaker 3: is that you are going to be measured and judged

482
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Speaker 3: by being able to make it to the college playoff one. Now,

483
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Speaker 3: the bar is there. You've got to make it to

484
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Speaker 3: the playoffs or you're risking losing your job. Then, once

485
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Speaker 3: you make it to the playoffs, how far can you

486
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Speaker 3: go into the playoffs? That's number two. Those are the

487
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Speaker 3: two major things that coaches are facing at major schools,

488
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Speaker 3: blue blood schools now in this new football college football

489
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Speaker 3: playoff that we're in. And I'm gonna tell you right now.

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Speaker 3: You add in transfer portal and nil to that equation,

491
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Speaker 3: and you have a very, very turbulent space that exists

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Speaker 3: in college football.

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Speaker 1: Now, be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros

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Speaker 1: and a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington,

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Speaker 1: and Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific.

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Speaker 4: It's two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 4: Tell him, Jonas, there's no Brady Quinn, none, he disappeared.

498
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Speaker 2: What's his problem?

499
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Speaker 4: But it's LeVar Arrington. Forget about it, You're fired, and

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Speaker 4: Jonas knocks here. Jonas coming up in about twenty minutes

501
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Speaker 4: from now, we're gonna have another edition of the Leftovers

502
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Speaker 4: makeing off. You can't refused, Jonas, But who needs leftovers

503
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Speaker 4: when you got the main course? Now, get him some

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Speaker 4: parm We welcome in the one and only Dean Blandino.

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Speaker 4: Take him to the bakery, Fox Sports, NFL College Football

506
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 4: Rules Analysts. Get him some bread and you can get

507
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 4: him on X if you dare at Dean Blandino. Dean,

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Speaker 4: good morning, Good.

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Speaker 5: Morning, Dean, good morning, guys. I don't get My week

510
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Speaker 5: is always made when I do. You guys, practice your

511
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Speaker 5: your Marlon Brando.

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Speaker 2: He just really did really good.

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Speaker 5: It's just cold and you go right into it. You're like,

514
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Speaker 5: I haven't done it all week. I'm just going in,

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Speaker 5: all right.

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Speaker 4: So here's a little behind the scenes on that, and

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Speaker 4: everything I tell you I'm about to tell you is true.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 4: So my my brother Tyrone, he's white.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I just want to point that out.

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Speaker 5: First, literally the first thing I.

522
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Speaker 4: Was saying, okay, okay, all right.

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Speaker 2: So he's also gets pretty deep.

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Speaker 4: He's also he's also my godfather, and so growing up

525
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Speaker 4: I didn't understand, but he would always talk to me

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Speaker 4: in Marlon Brando's voice, and I never understood it because

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Speaker 4: why did When he talks to me, it's different, and

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Speaker 4: he would he had the Marlon Brando and to this

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Speaker 4: day he still does it and he's got it down

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Speaker 4: to a t. So I've just picked it up over

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Speaker 4: the years because I've heard him talk to me like

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Speaker 4: that isn't my entire life.

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Speaker 5: So that's perfect.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, now I do. I just took a little search

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Speaker 4: on social media and decided, you know, why do not?

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Speaker 4: I just go ahead and throw in NFL officiating on

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Speaker 4: X and Giants fans are pissed off because it appears

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Speaker 4: that a wide receiver was going to make a play,

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Speaker 4: he had his arm grabbed by an Eagles defender and

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Speaker 4: that was called offensive PI. Is that just a miss

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Speaker 4: or is there a true justification on that call as

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Speaker 4: to why it went the other way and not the

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Speaker 4: way of defensive pass interference when clearly there was a

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Speaker 4: grab of the forum of the wide receiver.

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Speaker 5: Well, look, I didn't love the call. I think I

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Speaker 5: see what the official saw. I think you watched Layton.

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Speaker 5: He what they're looking for is looking for a receiver

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Speaker 5: to put, you know, extend his arms into the body

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Speaker 5: of the defender, create that space. But whenever you've got

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Speaker 5: a receiver and a defender, they're both kind of hand fighting.

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Speaker 5: The dB there is he's grabbing Slayton. Clayton's trying to

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Speaker 5: get off of that contact, and and you're going to

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Speaker 5: give the receiver the ability to do that. Now he can't,

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Speaker 5: he can't take two hands and shove and clearly foul

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Speaker 5: himself even though he's he's being grabbed. But that, that

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Speaker 5: to me was not I think it was. I think

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Speaker 5: it was I've seen worse calls, but but you know,

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Speaker 5: in that game, we saw worse calls, but but that

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Speaker 5: was that was definitely one that I didn't see. I

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Speaker 5: didn't see that as offensive pass the appearance.

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Speaker 3: Dan, let me ask you about the phenomenon of being

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Speaker 3: able to punch the ball out.

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Speaker 2: It's become a thing. They teach it. But I think

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Speaker 2: what people.

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Speaker 3: May not be realizing and what they may not be seeing,

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Speaker 3: is there is also the times where there's a miss.

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Speaker 3: And now I'm starting to see where when they're punching

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Speaker 3: for the ball, they may punch them unintentionally, they may

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Speaker 3: punch them somewhere else other than where the ball is

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Speaker 3: and locating the ball. Do you see this potentially becoming

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Speaker 3: a point of emphasis that in terms of what maybe

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Speaker 3: the competition committee looks at or what the referees are

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Speaker 3: looking at if they don't hit the ball like I

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Speaker 3: saw a player. I think it might have been a

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Speaker 3: quarterback too. I could be wrong, but I could My

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Speaker 3: recollection is a little little off on it. But he

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Speaker 3: got punched right in the head, like punched him like

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Speaker 3: straight in the head. But you could tell he was trying.

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Speaker 3: He was going for the tackle to punch the ball out.

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Speaker 3: Does that become a conversation at any point, Absolutely.

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Speaker 5: And I think it has been a conversation in the past,

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Speaker 5: But I think that conversation is going to get more

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Speaker 5: serious this offseason because because I'm like you, I'm seeing

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Speaker 5: a lot of it. And obviously this is a tactic

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Speaker 5: that you think about, right Peanut Tillman the peanut punch,

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Speaker 5: and I mean this this works. I mean, this is

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Speaker 5: how many? How many turnovers are do we see every

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Speaker 5: week every in the NFL where it's because you know,

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Speaker 5: a defensive player's punching that ball out and it's and

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Speaker 5: they're and they're not perfect, right, It's not always hitting

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Speaker 5: the football. But I think that's it's really hard at

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Speaker 5: full speed with the officials to say, okay, well he

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Speaker 5: didn't get all ball, maybe he got part of the

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Speaker 5: ball or did he you know, I think it would

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Speaker 5: have to be blatantly obvious. And sometimes on film we're

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Speaker 5: seeing that where he just misses and ends up hitting him,

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Speaker 5: whether it's in the head or the body. I think

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Speaker 5: that's definitely going to be a conversation. I don't know

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Speaker 5: if the league would say, hey, if if it's not

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Speaker 5: all ball we're going to penalize because again that it's

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Speaker 5: tough because we know what the intent is, but sometimes

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Speaker 5: the intent and what happens are two different things. And

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Speaker 5: I think that's definitely gonna be something that competition can be.

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Speaker 4: Looks at Dean Blandino joining us here on Fox Sports Radio,

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Speaker 4: LeVar Arrington, Joe A. Snox with you here on FSR.

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Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers had a bit of a red ass on

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Speaker 4: Sunday night because he and he's done this throughout the

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Speaker 4: course of his career. We're on his hard count. He'll

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Speaker 4: get a team to jump and then it's a free

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Speaker 4: play and he'll just throw downfield and apparently like it

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Speaker 4: looked like it worked, and so he operated as if,

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Speaker 4: all right, I'm gonna get the call here and it's

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Speaker 4: a free play, and as it turns out, there was

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Speaker 4: no flag thrown. What goes on in that situation when

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Speaker 4: it appears that clearly he's offside, Is it on the

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Speaker 4: center to snap the ball immediately to get that call

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Speaker 4: or how does that conversation go with officials?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, you have two officials that are both on

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Speaker 5: on either ends of the you know, either sideline, and

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Speaker 5: they're looking right down line of scrimmage, so they're responsible

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Speaker 5: for the line of scrimmage, fall start off side, those

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Speaker 5: types of things. Who's in the neutral zone and then

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Speaker 5: so when you have that and Aaron Rodgers, you know,

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Speaker 5: he's one of the best, and that, to me, it

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Speaker 5: was a foul. They were in the neutral zone you

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Speaker 5: had I think it was Micah Parsons and one of

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Speaker 5: the other you know, I think it was a defensive

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Speaker 5: lineman jumped early. And as an official, what you're looking

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Speaker 5: for is we always tell officials if the defensive players

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Speaker 5: crowding the line of scrimmage, any any movement forward before

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Speaker 5: the snap, put them in the nutrient zone, right because

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Speaker 5: you can't like you can't sit there and say, well

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Speaker 5: he was like he was an inch into the nutrient

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Speaker 5: zone verus not. If their crowding the neutral zone, they're

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Speaker 5: crowding the ball, any forward movement before the snap put

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Speaker 5: them in it's offside, and so the official has to say, Okay,

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Speaker 5: are they crowded the news zone or off Sometimes you know,

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Speaker 5: maybe they're off the ball. Maybe it's a you know,

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Speaker 5: in a two point I'm off the ball and I

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00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 5: have a little leeway to move forward, you know, I'm

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Speaker 5: trying to anticipate the snap count on that one. I

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Speaker 5: thought they were crowding, crowding the ball they jumped should

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Speaker 5: have been a free play, obviously, like you said, Iron

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00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 5: was not happy and and rightfully so because that should

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Speaker 5: have been offside.

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you about the Toush push situation. You know,

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Speaker 3: to me, yeah, I get fired up, Dean, And I know,

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Speaker 3: I know you're so tired. I know it's so it's

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Speaker 3: so tiring. We got such a different perspective of it

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Speaker 3: this weekend, more so than I've ever seen, and I

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Speaker 3: just found it to be curious. The touch push is

652
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 3: based off of pushing through the forward progress. If you

653
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Speaker 3: ask me, like if you were to say what makes

654
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 3: the touch push special, it's that moment where force meets

655
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 3: force and there's a stop, there's a there's a pause

656
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 3: almost and and to me, that's the stopping of forward progress.

657
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 3: But the idea of continuing the push and knowing that

658
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 3: you've given the offense the opportunity to try to continue

659
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 3: or re establish that forward progress is what the touch

660
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 3: push to me, in essence, has become like get in there, push, Okay,

661
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 3: there's the melee, continue to push, and that continued push

662
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 3: is when you get the results in this game against

663
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 3: the Giants that took place, and they.

664
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Speaker 2: Blew it dead.

665
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 3: You blow it dead, and for once you see the

666
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 3: defense actually with that continued forward progress that that re

667
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 3: establishes itself. Tibodeau knocks the ball out. It's a that

668
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 3: should have been a touch push play. They got to

669
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 3: the quarterback, they they dislodged the ball. It's a fumble,

670
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 3: a fumble recovery, and they get stopped on the touch

671
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 3: push and it's a turnover because of a fumble.

672
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: But yet it's blown dead. What was your like, what

673
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 2: was your take on it?

674
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 5: Like?

675
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 2: How do they blow it.

676
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,720
Speaker 3: Dead on that one on forward progress? But in most

677
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 3: cases they just allow them to keep pushing. How does

678
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 3: that work?

679
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 5: You're you're absolutely right that that play is, like you said,

680
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 5: that is base on pushing through that initial contact. And

681
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 5: the way this play is being officiated now it's like

682
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 5: it is literally unstoppable. Like it's already they're already so

683
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 5: good at it. Then now you can move early. Now, well,

684
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 5: we're not gonna We're gonna let you push through the

685
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 5: forward progress and if Hurtz ends up in the end zone,

686
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 5: it's a touchdown, but if the defense ends up with

687
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 5: the ball, we're going to rule forward progress and in

688
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 5: that one, and you know we've talked about this. This

689
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 5: I hate to say, this is an impossible play to

690
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 5: officiate because there's there's short yardist plays that happen without

691
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 5: push push and without all the other crap. And so

692
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 5: that's the play that you cannot blow that dead. You

693
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 5: cannot do that that an official himself would tell you,

694
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 5: I screwed that up. Hurts is pushing forward, he's reaching

695
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 5: the ball out. Tippoteau makes a great play. It's it

696
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 5: was out in space. Everybody could see it. It wasn't

697
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 5: like it was in the middle of the mile that

698
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 5: should have been a fumble. That should have been a fumble,

699
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,720
Speaker 5: should have been Giants ball. Well, and it's just again

700
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 5: this either we got officiated correctly or we got to

701
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 5: get rid of whatever has to happen, because this is

702
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 5: happening a lot and it's not we're not making stuff

703
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 5: up at this point. It's like there are real issues

704
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 5: with with this play and the league has to figure

705
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 5: it out.

706
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 4: What's your gut because it does feel like this this

707
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 4: is going to be out of here in the off

708
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 4: season that they're going to figure out a way because

709
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 4: if it's too difficult to officiate, it was already a

710
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 4: close call last last year when they were voting on it.

711
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 4: It feels like, you know, we're we're in the final

712
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 4: stretch round of.

713
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Speaker 5: This play Yeah, that's that's where I'm at too. It

714
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 5: just feels like, Okay, they're they're whatever whatever evidence is

715
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 5: needed to finally get this thing out. Is we've got

716
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 5: just two eight weeks of the season. We've got enough now. Again,

717
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 5: like we talked about, nothing happens rest of the way

718
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 5: the playoffs, everything's great, nobody says nothing. The the the uproar,

719
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 5: you know, kind of get a little quieter. Sure, but

720
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 5: I think it's at this point. My gut says they're

721
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 5: going to get rid of it. They just got to

722
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 5: figure out, you know, what that rule is going to

723
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 5: look like, how the officials are going to officiate the pushing.

724
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 5: What do you want to do? Do you just want

725
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 5: to get rid of the tousch push or do you

726
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 5: want to get rid of all of it? Right? Pushing

727
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 5: the runner down field and the pile those types of things.

728
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 5: So my gut is, I agree, I think it's gone Dan.

729
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 3: I also observed rid zone rid zone plays where it's

730
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 3: almost like, how are the referees approaching pis in the

731
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 3: rid zone because it's like, I've seen them call pass

732
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:52,439
Speaker 3: interference against the offense on the picks, but what I'm

733
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 3: not seeing, which I believe, is an unfair advantage to

734
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 3: the offense where it's a two way win.

735
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 2: One.

736
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Speaker 3: They're pushing, they're pushing off of they're they're like almost

737
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 3: like hitting like a slant, a shallow slant, and they're

738
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 3: pushing into the coverage and then breaking back out, and

739
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 3: if that defender does anything to try to offset the push,

740
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 3: they call PI. Yeah, But to me, it's like, Okay,

741
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 3: if you're pushing him, is it the rid zone that's

742
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 3: making it difficult or making it so that the referees

743
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 3: are like, yeah, he pushed them, and that should be

744
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 3: offensive pass interference Cause in reality, it's really no different

745
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 3: than the pick play that another guy would come and

746
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 3: kind of looks like it's a block, but he's kind

747
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 3: of pushing the guy and he gets caught on him.

748
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 3: If it's the receiver himself doing it, are they looking

749
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 3: at that and saying, Okay, well, he's not five yards

750
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 3: off of the ball. He's more like two or three

751
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 3: yards off of the ball. It's the rid zone. So

752
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 3: we're not going to call the offensive guy for a

753
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 3: pass interference. But if that defender grabs him and it

754
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 3: now becomes a tussle, a fight between the two of them,

755
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 3: which I thought that the referees are supposed to allow

756
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 3: them to let that go, but they're calling it like

757
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 3: that was a call that like kind of bailed the

758
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys out with CD Lamb in that moment. So

759
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 3: he gets to catch and it's it's either a positive

760
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 3: thing where you get a touchdown or if you don't

761
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 3: get it, it's still a pass interference and you get

762
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 3: a new set of downs.

763
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 2: Like how does that work?

764
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean those are hard plays to officiate, and

765
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 5: I agree, and whether we just you see it more

766
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 5: in the red zone. A good team, good offensive play callers,

767
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 5: you know, they do a great job of those rub routes,

768
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 5: of those you know where we always tell the officials,

769
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 5: right that receiver has to be in a route running

770
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 5: posture that they can't You can't square up and block,

771
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:02,280
Speaker 5: you can't initiate that content obviously, you can't set a pick,

772
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,240
Speaker 5: you know, beyond the yard from the line of scrimmags,

773
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 5: those types of things, but they are tas are very

774
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 5: good at. Like you said that that slant where you're

775
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 5: driving inside on the defender and almost forcing him with

776
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 5: your body to go inside, and then you try to

777
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 5: cut back outside and that DB's go menage going one

778
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 5: way and now ship I grab and and and you're

779
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 5: getting that call on the defense. So it's a really

780
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 5: hard play to officiat, but they're there. There has to

781
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 5: be that recognition from the official because every every eligible

782
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 5: receiver has an official assigned to them initially based on

783
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 5: where they're aligned and then and then, and especially in

784
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 5: the red zone, you know, there's less switches because sometimes

785
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 5: when receivers are running around and grouts and they cross,

786
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 5: one official may have that official at the start of

787
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 5: the play, but then they switch because of where that

788
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 5: route ends up. In the red zone, because everything is

789
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 5: so compact, you have less switches because you want to

790
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 5: stay with and especially in man coverage press, you want

791
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 5: to stay with that receiver because you can't miss any thing.

792
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 5: So it's just a hard play to officiate. And typically

793
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 5: when they do see that that defender grab, that's when

794
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 5: you're going to get the flag down, beholding, But there

795
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 5: has to be that cause and effect idea where okay,

796
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 5: why is that dB at a disadvantage because he's beams

797
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 5: driven inside and that has to be part of it too,

798
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 5: where you give that guy a little more leeway because

799
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 5: of what the receiver's doing.

800
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 4: Dean last one for me. So this came out, I

801
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 4: was curious to get your thoughts on it. Ken Williamson,

802
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 4: who's the SEC official who was suspended for the remainder

803
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 4: of the season because he had a he had a

804
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 4: bad game. I think there was like nine or eleven

805
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 4: you know calls at the SEC acknowledge were bad calls

806
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:38,919
Speaker 4: in the Auburn Georgia game.

807
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 2: What how do you get to that?

808
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 4: Like, like, how do you get to and I don't

809
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 4: recall this happening in the NFL, but how do we

810
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 4: get to Hey, it was so bad, this guy suspended

811
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 4: for the rest of the year. And I think he's

812
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 4: also retiring at the end of the year if I'm

813
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 4: not mistaken, So that's a wrap on his career. But

814
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 4: how do we get to that point in the NFL

815
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 4: and in college?

816
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 5: Well, before I answer, I just will say, you guys

817
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 5: are on it today. I don't know, like, what's the

818
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 5: one thing that you know, b y See the questions

819
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 5: are like great, and I mean, I don't know what

820
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 5: Brady's I hope everything's okay, but he just like tired,

821
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 5: he's sick because of all the blowouts they have to work.

822
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 3: Generally, let Brady do the show when he's here. We

823
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 3: just support him. But we're just me and Jonas is

824
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 3: black and drag and we just kind of we just

825
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 3: try to do what we do.

826
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 2: You know, we actually we actually have talent, but we

827
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,959
Speaker 2: just allowed you know, Q to do what he does.

828
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 5: He doesn't give you guys a chance to shine because

829
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 5: he never shuts up.

830
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 2: But anyway, we're okay with it. You know, it's good.

831
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 2: That's funny as hell.

832
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 5: How does it get to that point? It's a great question.

833
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 5: And look, this, this is this is something I've I've

834
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 5: struggled with in my career when I was at the

835
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 5: NFL and I was in charge of the officials, because

836
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 5: you don't want to officials get graded and on everything

837
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 5: every decision they make, and those grades affect their postseason

838
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 5: assignments and they affect eventually whether they come back the

839
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 5: following year. So there is that accountability and you ow,

840
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 5: you got to be careful with Okay, god misses a

841
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 5: PI call, we're going to suspend them, or we're going

842
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 5: to we're going to find because those are just judgment calls.

843
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 5: It's like every time the player drops the drops the pass.

844
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 5: It's not like you're going to cut that player. I

845
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 5: understand over time, players get cut, coaches get fired, get it.

846
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 5: So I think there's something deeper than with this particular official,

847
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 5: where it's not just the one game, you know, and

848
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 5: and and this was probably something over time where and

849
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 5: typically that's not it's not a judgment thing, it's a

850
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:52,720
Speaker 5: misapplication of a rule. It's something that should not happen,

851
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 5: and it happened. And I think this was probably behind

852
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 5: the scenes. I think the fact that he was retiring

853
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 5: at the end of the day year might have had

854
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 5: something to do with it as well. But but it

855
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 5: was unusual. You don't hear that where we're an official,

856
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 5: it's suspended for the rest of the year for something

857
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 5: that is that is the football part of it. They

858
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 5: have the same conduct policies and and you know, we

859
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 5: find and fired officials for stuff off the field, but

860
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 5: but on the field that it was unusual.

861
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 4: Uh, Dean always appreciate it. We will do it again

862
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 4: next week and we'll send uh, we'll send Brady your reguards.

863
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 2: All right, take care, boss.

864
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 4: It's the Great Dean Blandino with us here on Fox

865
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Speaker 4: Sports Radio. We'll clip that and save it for Brady

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Speaker 4: when he returns.