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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: In the Last Days a bombshell in the prosecution off

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Speaker 2: cult Mom Laurie Valo. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: I want to thank you for being with us. That's right,

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Speaker 2: Colt Mom aka Doomsday Mom Laurie Valo. The jury just

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Speaker 2: hands down a verdict in a case where she is

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Speaker 2: charged of conspiring to kill her niece's ex husband.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: A jury, a jury in Phoenix convicts cult Mom Laurie

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Speaker 2: Valo of conspiring to kill her niece's ex husband, this

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Speaker 2: marking her second murder conspiracy conviction in Arizona alone in

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Speaker 2: under two months.

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Speaker 1: Does the name.

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Speaker 2: Charles Valo ring a bell? He's one of the many

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Speaker 2: dead bodies connected to cult Mom Laurie Valo.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us.

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Speaker 2: Here at Crime Stories and on Serious XM one eleven.

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Speaker 2: Charles Valo gunned down in cold blood at the behest

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Speaker 2: of Colt Mom Lorie Valo after she lured him to

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Speaker 2: the location.

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, let me jog your memory. Listen.

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Speaker 3: In the fight with my brother in LAWNA shot him

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Speaker 3: until the tenth.

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Speaker 4: Hey bed breathing.

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Speaker 3: I can't tell.

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Speaker 4: Are you wanting are you willing to go over to

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Speaker 4: him and check? Sure?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's blood, he's not moving.

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Speaker 2: He's pretty nonchalant, like a daysical. Oh yeah, there's blood,

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Speaker 2: he's not moving, listened to more.

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Speaker 3: I turned around and he hit me in the back

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Speaker 3: of the head of the bathroom. So I went to

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Speaker 3: my room and got my gun.

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Speaker 1: Harriet, you went to your room, meaning and room you're staying.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, you brought your bride a gun with you?

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Speaker 4: Do you always bring a gun?

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Speaker 3: I'll consumed carry all?

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Speaker 5: Okay, fair, Hi, who are you?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Just stand a different just a segregation.

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Speaker 4: And then.

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Speaker 3: I thought he put the bat down, and he wouldn't.

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Speaker 3: Then he came out me and getting the wife to.

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Speaker 1: Show up his wife mm hmmm.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't sound upset at all. And there is a

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Speaker 2: legal theory called cooling off period number one. I don't

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Speaker 2: believe that Laurie Vallo called man Laurie Vello's brother Alex Cox,

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Speaker 2: was ever hit with a bat.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's true. But even so, he.

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Speaker 2: Goes into the house and comes back with a gun.

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Speaker 2: That's called a cooling off period. This turns into not

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Speaker 2: self defense but murder. Well, it's not over yet. And

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Speaker 2: remember Laurie Valo is there at the time her ex husband,

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Speaker 2: her husband, Charles Valo, is gunned down dead by her brother.

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Speaker 2: This is all her maneuvering. Listen, So you told him

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Speaker 2: to put the yes?

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Speaker 1: So where are you at and where are you at now?

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Speaker 1: Did you stay in your bedroom?

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Speaker 4: No? Okay?

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Speaker 6: Why did you stay just in your bedroom?

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Speaker 1: Closed the door?

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Speaker 7: Is that some of you did think about it or

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Speaker 7: didn't even heard of me?

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Speaker 4: Okay, so walk me through it.

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Speaker 5: So you go back in your room.

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Speaker 1: So I just went back to liver only what is

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Speaker 1: your problem with the gun?

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Speaker 8: Yes?

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Speaker 6: I said, I want you to put that back down,

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Speaker 6: and he wouldn't do it.

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Speaker 3: He's like you.

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Speaker 6: And he came at meat with the bat again after

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Speaker 6: you're already hitting out the head.

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Speaker 3: So nice I him to stop him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't believe that for one minute, standing by

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Speaker 2: egging the whole murder on Colt Mom, Lorie Valo. Guys, again,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories

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Speaker 2: with me an all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 2: what we know right now. But first to the news

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Speaker 2: director of the East Idaho News dot Com, who has

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Speaker 2: been about three inches of Colet Mom's Lori Valo's tailpipe

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Speaker 2: since the get go.

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Speaker 1: Before her children were ever found.

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Speaker 2: He smelled a rat chaser all the way to and

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Speaker 2: back in an effort to find JJ in Tylely. Now

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Speaker 2: we're onto another murder. Nate eaton joining us. Nate, thank

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Speaker 2: you for being with us. What happened to Charles Valow?

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Speaker 4: Charles Vallo went over to pick up his son JJ

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Speaker 4: to take him to school. It was July of twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 4: and when he went in the house, the account was

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Speaker 4: that he got into some sort of argument with Alex Cox.

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Speaker 4: Laurie's brother, Tylee was there. JJ was there, Laurie was there.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Dawn.

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Speaker 2: All the other witnesses are dead. Alex Cox is dead.

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Speaker 2: JJ is dead. God rest his soul. Tyley is dead,

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Speaker 2: God rest her soul. The only person left to tell

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Speaker 2: the story is colet Mom.

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Speaker 1: Laurie Vallee. You think I'm taking her word for anything?

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Speaker 2: She told me this guy was blue, I'd say, no,

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Speaker 2: it's absolutely red.

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Speaker 4: Go ahead, right, So that's when Alex Cox says that Charles,

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Speaker 4: as you mentioned, came after with a Now, remember Nancy,

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Speaker 4: Charles was an athlete, Charles played baseball. He's not going

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Speaker 4: to swing and miss when you hit someone in the

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Speaker 4: self defense, he had to get a gun. He shot Charles.

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Speaker 4: It came out though later in court that Charles was

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Speaker 4: not just shot. Once Charles was shot. When he was

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Speaker 4: floor underneath his body. That's when Laurie Valo left with

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Speaker 4: her son JJ went to Burger King.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what what white, white white did you just say?

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Speaker 2: After his father is gun down in front of him,

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Speaker 2: they go celebrate at Burger King.

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Speaker 1: And didn't they go buy flip flops or something at

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Walgreens. They stopped by Walgreens and got a pair

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Speaker 4: of flip flops. Then she dropped JJ off at school

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Speaker 4: and came back to that house. And that's where we've

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Speaker 4: seen that video where she's kind of laughing and saying

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Speaker 4: she just moved into the neighborhood. All the police are

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Speaker 4: interrogating her and investigating the death of her husband.

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Speaker 1: Has your husband lived here?

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Speaker 9: No?

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Speaker 3: Gotcha? Gotcha?

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Speaker 5: How long have you guys lived here? Okay, how long

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Speaker 5: have you lived here?

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Speaker 7: Three?

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Speaker 1: Weeks.

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Speaker 5: Oh jeez, yeah, okay, gotcha, Like.

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Speaker 8: Hi, neighbor, Sorry, are you working at all?

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Speaker 4: I know?

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Speaker 1: Okay, and you're still about five six twenty start when

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Speaker 5: That's a crazy question.

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Speaker 2: Well, so we moved into this house three weeks ago

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Speaker 2: because he offered to get a house here where all my.

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Speaker 10: Family is in Houston.

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Speaker 2: You're hearing Colt Mom Laurie Valo speaking guys. Charles Valo

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Speaker 2: just one of the many bodies, dead bodies connected to

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Speaker 2: Colt Mom Laurie vale And now she has taken to

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Speaker 2: a new jurisdiction to answer up on those charges. But

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Speaker 2: that's not all as it relates to Charles Valow. Their

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Speaker 2: problems go way back before she saw to it that

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Speaker 2: he was shot dead. Take a listen to bodycam footage

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Speaker 2: of cops talking to Charles Valow on an earlier occasion.

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Speaker 3: So what's going on tonight?

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Speaker 5: I can't get in touch with kids.

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Speaker 1: How old are your kids?

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Speaker 11: Six and a half and sixteenth? Okay?

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Speaker 3: How long have you been trying? Two days?

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Speaker 11: But she she's lost her mind out of the house

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Speaker 11: to say it, we're lds. She thinks she's a resurrected

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Speaker 11: being in a.

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Speaker 10: God.

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Speaker 11: And remember the one hundred and forty four thousand she's

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Speaker 11: come to Jesus is coming next year. She took all

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Speaker 11: the money out of her bank account.

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Speaker 1: Today you're hearing the voice I've now murdered.

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Speaker 2: Charles Valo on a previous occasion, he's trying to get

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Speaker 2: his son and can't find him anywhere, and he's talking

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Speaker 2: to cops about it.

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Speaker 1: Listen to more.

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Speaker 11: My truck had gone from the airport. She went at

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Speaker 11: the airport and got it. I just lew in from

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Speaker 11: Houston from Dallas. You stand outs. So the truck I

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Speaker 11: don't know, A good friend of mine, truck I picked

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Speaker 11: me up. I went to the CSI to follow report,

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Speaker 11: which is good? He any bridges or something?

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Speaker 3: Final report?

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Speaker 5: So you did did you did the petition the order

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Speaker 5: to pick up?

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Speaker 3: So what makes her a danger to herself?

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Speaker 11: And two others threatened they murdered me?

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Speaker 6: Kill me?

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Speaker 4: She threatened to murder you.

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Speaker 1: Yes, joining me right now is Rex Connor. This is

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Speaker 1: called mom.

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Speaker 2: Laurie Valo, Dave Bill's uncle, host of a podcast, Silver Linings,

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Speaker 2: and author of an incredible book, Laurie's Lies and Family Ties,

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Speaker 2: Healing from the Tiley and JJ tragedy. Rex Connor, thank

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Speaker 2: you for being with us. When I hear Charles Valo speaking,

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Speaker 2: it's heartbreaking. He's telling the cops she's threatened to kill me.

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Speaker 3: It is heartbreaking. No one can hear that and just

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Speaker 1: She's been threatening to kill him forever.

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Speaker 2: As she did it, she was there, she arranged it,

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Speaker 2: She lured him there to pick up JJ, and now

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Speaker 1: He told cops, she wants to kill me. What is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's up to the prosecutors. We just you know,

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Speaker 3: justice you can get in this life. So I personally

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Speaker 3: had that feeling. I'm with you on that.

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Speaker 4: Remember, Nancy, it's not just one charge, it's two for

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Speaker 4: the conspiracy to commit the murder of her neph at

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Speaker 4: the time her nephew.

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Speaker 1: The nephew is still alive.

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Speaker 2: Rich Robertson is joining us Arizona based private investigator for

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Speaker 2: Brandon Boudreau and the Woodcock family. He owns R three Investigations.

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Speaker 2: You can find him at our Threeinvestigations dot com. Rich robertson,

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Speaker 2: your client Boodreau, he was shot at by this gang

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Speaker 2: headed up by Laurie Valo Listen.

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Speaker 12: Brandon Boudreau calls nine to one one reporting that someone

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Speaker 12: shot at his car as he drove into his neighborhood.

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Speaker 12: He believes Laurie's brother, Alex was the trigger man. Boudreau

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Speaker 12: had been married to Valodabell's niece, Melanie Pilowski, but after

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Speaker 12: they divorced, Valodabell believed Boudreau, like her ex husband Charles,

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Speaker 12: was controlled by a dark spirit, and according to Valodabell,

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Speaker 12: the only way to get rid of a dark spirit

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Speaker 12: is to kill it.

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Speaker 1: Rich robertson, what do you say?

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Speaker 5: I think it's pretty well subtled that Alex Cox was

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Speaker 5: the guy who not only shot Charles value in July,

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Speaker 13: Deputies responded as they took pictures, they looked it over,

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Speaker 10: Was Chad Dabell acting interesting or suspicious or normal?

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Speaker 13: To my knowledge, he was responding like anybody would whose

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Speaker 13: And we're still waiting for the lab results to come back.

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Speaker 10: Do you know if Tammy Dabell had a big life

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Speaker 3: Yes it is.

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Speaker 2: You're hearing our friend Nate Eaton with the East Idaho

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Speaker 2: Idaho News dot Com, Nate Eaton, Nate, Hey, no offense,

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Speaker 1: You didn't want to tangle with the.

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Speaker 1: A few questions? Die in her sleep.

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Speaker 2: The last person to see her alive was her husband,

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Speaker 2: Chad Dabell, who wrote twenty five books that we know

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Speaker 1: Come on, Nate, what's the sheriff saying now?

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Speaker 4: Well, the sheriff saying that the autopsy will tell the answers.

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Speaker 4: You know, Tammy was the school librarian who everybody loved.

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Speaker 4: Everybody in town knew her. She worked with every student

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Speaker 4: What interesting Nancy knows, she whoa whoa.

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Speaker 2: Everybody was shocked, but nobody did anything. Did they Nobody

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Speaker 1: Nate you kill over and your sleep. Don't worry.

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Speaker 2: I'm on it. Okay, But nobody did anything with Tammy

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Speaker 2: Daybell died. Just tell me what the sheriff says about

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Speaker 4: They said that he acted like a grieving husband would

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Speaker 4: Here's the interesting thing. She died on a Saturday morning.

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Speaker 4: She was in the ground by Tuesday afternoon. Normally families

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Speaker 1: Hold what wh w hold on? Nate, just curious.

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Speaker 2: I've never asked you this before, But where are you from?

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Speaker 4: I'm from all over, but I've lived in Idaho now

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Speaker 2: Okay, that is not an acceptable answer because you're only

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Speaker 1: Where would that be, nighty?

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Speaker 4: I grew up near Salt Lake City.

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Speaker 2: Okay, because I don't know what the customary practice is

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Speaker 1: But she dies on.

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Speaker 2: Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday's three days later.

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Speaker 1: Okay. I don't find that unusual. So where you're from,

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Speaker 4: Well, normally you would notify friends, family members because they

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Speaker 4: make arrangements to have her body transport about six hours

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Speaker 1: Okay, Now, wait a minute, that's something new. Tell me

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Speaker 4: So she dies Saturday morning. They don't bury her body

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Speaker 4: in Idaho. What they do is they ship her body

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Speaker 4: They hold the floor.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they didn't teach me much geography in law school.

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Speaker 2: How long of a drive is that?

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Speaker 4: They could just see take her body down to Springville, Utah.

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Speaker 2: a funeral. Now, Jackie, look us up on Google. Difference

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Speaker 1: Killers, Nate.

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Speaker 2: Because you wouldn't expect, typically at a memorial, I wouldn't expect.

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Speaker 1: Necessarily for a body to be there. But I am interested.

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Speaker 2: So that's not unusual so far. Memorial was three days later,

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Speaker 2: not did everybody not get the word that Tammy had

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Speaker 4: Davell died? She was here six days ago getting ready

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Speaker 2: Okay, so they didn't put it in the local paper

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Speaker 1: Hold on, dear, because my.

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Speaker 2: Crack legal researcher Jackie is holding up body.

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Speaker 1: Not present for memorial. That's what a memorial is, Nate, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to quit arguing with you about memorial versus

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Speaker 2: And most importan question etiquette aside, how long after Tammy

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Speaker 1: The husband didn't care what happened to my wife? Why

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Speaker 2: But take a listen right now to the Fremont County

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Speaker 1: He's added again with Nate Eaton nineteenth, we.

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Speaker 13: Did respond to an unattended death at the Devel home

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Speaker 13: Tammy Dave Bell was deceased at that time. Officers, my

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Speaker 1: At this, well, he sounds pretty calm.

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Speaker 8: the most important tools we're going to have is the

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Speaker 8: toxicology report resulting from an autopsy.

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Speaker 2: We also know that in most jurisdictions, the next of

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Speaker 2: ken decides whether there will be an autopsy. Take a

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Speaker 2: listen to KATV the seventies reporter Gretchen Parsons.

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Speaker 14: When forty nine year old Tammy day Bell was found

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Speaker 14: dead in her bed last October, the Fremont County Sheriff

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Speaker 14: says family members ask the county corner not to perform

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Speaker 14: an autopsy because her death appeared to be natural at

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Speaker 14: the time, the coroner didn't do one. Under Idaho law,

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Speaker 14: if the death is considered to be from natural causes,

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Speaker 14: the corner can opt not to do an autopsy. The

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Speaker 14: Fremont County Corner isn't speaking about this case publicly, but

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Speaker 14: Ada County Corner Dotty Owen says that is unusual unless

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Speaker 14: Tammy was under the care of a physician.

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Speaker 15: What we would do is we would call and speak

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Speaker 15: to the primary care physician, verify that history, review those

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Speaker 15: medical records, and then at that point released that individual

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Speaker 15: so that that primary care physician could sign that death

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Speaker 15: certificate out at that point, if family had refused it

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Speaker 15: on atop see, we would sit down with this family

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Speaker 15: explain why we needed to do it.

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Speaker 1: The importance of doing it, and then.

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Speaker 15: At that point, if we were still met with resistance,

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Speaker 15: we would go ahead and just do it based on jurisdiction.

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Speaker 1: And of course the next of ken was Chad Da Bell.

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Speaker 2: Now wait a minute, hold on, there is Tammy Day

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Speaker 2: Bell and there is the then estranged husband, Charles Valo.

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Speaker 2: Now remember an Arizona jury just convicted her in the

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Speaker 2: murder conspiring with her brother.

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Speaker 1: To murder Charles Valo.

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Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, I need a flowchart for this. We've

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Speaker 2: got her convicted for murdering JJ and Tyley, her children.

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Speaker 2: We've got her convicted conspiring to murder Tammy daybail. Now

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Speaker 2: that'll happen in Idaho and Arizona. She was just convicted

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Speaker 2: for conspiring to murder, along with her brother Alex Cox,

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Speaker 2: murder her estranged husband, Charles Valo.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what do we know about Charles Valo's shooting death? Plenty?

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Speaker 1: Anna Juri agrees.

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Speaker 2: Guys, let's hear more of Charles value speaking about Laurie

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Speaker 2: Vallos rightning to murder him.

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Speaker 3: He's had kind of a brightful unity.

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Speaker 11: You Elia, Yes, she thinks she's married to Moron Now

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Speaker 11: in the past, do you think she's what he's married

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Speaker 11: to Morona.

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Speaker 1: At the top of the temple Angel Angel ldsrobation.

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Speaker 11: And she knows when the Second Coming is happening. Makes

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Speaker 11: your ss a prophet. Okay, he knows that, she knows,

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Speaker 11: she knows about it. She'd be so borrown out. Jesus

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Speaker 11: Christ based based in the temple every day. I've tried

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Speaker 11: to support as much as I could, but it's got really,

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Speaker 11: really bad like that, She's had a break. She says,

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Speaker 11: I'm Nick Schneider. I've taken over Charles's body and Charles

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Speaker 11: was killed.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to kill you being a murdered today or tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Nate Aiden. She actually says to Charles Valo, you

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Speaker 2: will be I'm going to kill you. You'll be killed

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Speaker 2: today or tomorrow. And then he's murdered.

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Speaker 4: Charles Valow did raise the warning sign. It was there

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Speaker 4: on tape as you said that Laurie was making these statements.

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Speaker 4: They did eventually reconcile back together after that, you know,

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Speaker 4: situation with the police. But yeah, he was born. She

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Speaker 4: warned him about this and and it's unfortunately it happened.

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Speaker 4: Now he's dead.

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Speaker 2: Here is more of Charles Valo telling cops Coltman, Laurie

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Speaker 2: Valo was going to kill him.

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Speaker 11: She's not here. She lost her reality. We've done at

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Speaker 11: a great marriage. All of a sudden the last month

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Speaker 11: just blew up. I will kill you because you're not Charles,

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Speaker 11: and nobody will care.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so she at this point doesn't think you are

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Speaker 1: her husband.

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Speaker 3: Don't you take seven Nick Schneider, who's a Mick Schneider.

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Speaker 11: Have no idea the name she used? I know where

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Speaker 11: it came from.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm just like I'm as bewildered as you are.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the marriage was perfect until just recently. What happened?

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Speaker 2: Where does she get in her head that her husband,

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Speaker 2: Charles Vallo was an evil spirit?

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Speaker 4: Hmmm?

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Speaker 1: Where could that have come from? Take a listen to

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Speaker 1: our friend Jackie Howard.

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Speaker 9: Charles and Lourie Vallo meet and Mary in two thousand

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Speaker 9: and six. Laurie has two children from another marriage. Charles

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Speaker 9: has three sons. They live in Kawhi for a time

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Speaker 9: in twenty fourteen, but moved back to the continental US

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Speaker 9: sometime between twenty sixteen and twenty seventeen, living in Arizona.

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Speaker 9: It's during this time that Lori Vello reportedly meets Chad

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Speaker 9: Dabeil at a religious conference in Saint George, Utah. The

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Speaker 9: couple hit it off and appear on several End of

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Speaker 9: the World style podcasts. Charles and Laurie's marriage, however, turned sour.

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Speaker 2: Joining me Karen Start, renowned psychologist, joining us out of

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Speaker 2: Manhattan at Karenstar dot com. Karen, I think I know

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Speaker 2: what happened. She meets Chad Dabell, the so called prophet.

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Speaker 2: His pickup line, believe it or not, is we were

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Speaker 2: married in a past life, so he might as well

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Speaker 2: run over to that motel right now.

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Speaker 1: And it worked.

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Speaker 2: Suddenly, this woman believes she is a goddess of sort

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Speaker 2: on a heavenly mission, and she is with Chaddabell.

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Speaker 1: That's why Valo needs a divorce. That's what happened. I

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Speaker 1: guess he just didn't know it when he was talking

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Speaker 1: to police.

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Speaker 16: I don't know if he knew it, but I do

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Speaker 16: know that Chad actually appealed to her narcissism and by

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Speaker 16: calling her a goddess that was perfect for Laurie and

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Speaker 16: Nancy trub Bellow even in the divorce was and he said,

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Speaker 16: I don't know what she's going to do with them.

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Speaker 1: Her children.

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Speaker 16: I don't know if she's.

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Speaker 4: Going to flee with them, if she's going to hurt them.

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Speaker 16: So he was worried about the safety of himself and

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Speaker 16: his children.

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Speaker 1: Very worried.

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Speaker 2: And as a matter of fact, she meets up with

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Speaker 2: Chad Daybill and what happens next listen.

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Speaker 9: Charles Vellow files for divorce in twenty nineteen. He claims

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Speaker 9: that Laurie views herself as a god and has said

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Speaker 9: she would kill him if he ever gets in her

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Speaker 9: way of preparing for the second Coming of Christ. The

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Speaker 9: morning of July eleventh, Charles Vellow goes to Lourie's rental

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Speaker 9: home in Chandler, Arizona to pick up his son jaj

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Speaker 9: for school. Alex Cox, Laurie's brother, is also there. Within

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Speaker 9: an hour, Valo is lying in a pool of blood,

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Speaker 9: shot by Alex Cox. Cox claims self defense and is

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Speaker 9: not charged. Laurie marries Chad day Bell.

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Speaker 2: To Rex Connor, joining us Laurie Valo's uncle and host

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Speaker 2: of silver Lining things. Tell me your understanding of how

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Speaker 2: Calman Laurie Valo meets Chad day Bail and what ensues.

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Speaker 3: Well, they were both interested before they met in this

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Speaker 3: into the world stuff, the so called doomsday doomsday stuff,

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Speaker 3: and so they met at a conference of people that

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Speaker 3: get together and talk about preparing for the end of

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Speaker 3: the world. Not a popular thing amongst most people, but

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Speaker 3: there is a group that meets and talks about it.

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Speaker 3: So when they met, I like the way her brother

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Speaker 3: Adam the Good Brother, describes it. When they met, it

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Speaker 3: was the perfect storm. He just appealed to just what

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Speaker 3: she wanted, She appealed to what he wanted, and they

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Speaker 3: allowed themselves this alternative reality that they created together and

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Speaker 3: just ran with it as just a perfect storm of evil.

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Speaker 2: Also jet to mean Rich Robertson Arizona PI for Brandon Bougereau,

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Speaker 2: who almost ended up dead at the behest of Lori

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Speaker 2: Valo according to police. What do you make of her

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Speaker 2: relationship which had dabail and the subsequent murder of Charles Valley, Well, they.

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Speaker 5: Were certainly infatuated with each other for whatever reasons. There

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Speaker 5: was talk that she was she was definitely having an

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Speaker 5: affair with with Chad prior to the time that Charles

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Speaker 5: filed a divorced I think that was one of the

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Speaker 5: reasons he did it, and she was in his group.

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Speaker 5: The prepare of people. She was kind of a sub

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Speaker 5: section of all of that, and Chad Daball was had

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Speaker 5: ideas that she glommed onto, and she was doing podcasts

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Speaker 5: herself along with some others in support of all that,

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Speaker 5: and somehow came to subscribe to all of these kind

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Speaker 5: of strange beliefs about dark spirits and becoming a god herself.

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Speaker 5: And it sure looked like they were trying to get

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Speaker 5: rid of things that were holding them back. All of

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Speaker 5: these murders happened in a very short period of time

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Speaker 5: in twenty nineteen, and she cleared the decks of her

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Speaker 5: husband and that her kids, and then he cleared the

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Speaker 5: decks of his wife, and then they went after Brandon.

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Speaker 5: So it was all very very quick that was happening.

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Speaker 2: Joining me is doctor Todd Barr, Board certified anatomic clinical

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Speaker 2: forensic pathologist. He's featured in Thin Places Essays from in Between,

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Speaker 2: Doctor Barr, it's great to have you on with us.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about Charles Valo. We now know

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Speaker 2: that he was shot, He fell to the ground, most

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Speaker 2: likely was still alive, and Alex Cox and or Lorie

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Speaker 2: Valo comes up to him and shoots him again as

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Speaker 2: he's on the ground, the bullet getting wedged in the

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Speaker 2: floor underneath him, Doctor Barr, knowing that he was very

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Speaker 2: likely still alive from the first shot, what did he

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Speaker 2: endure before that second shot?

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Speaker 7: Well, he would have been, you know, losing blood along

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Speaker 7: the way, and I'm not sure what injuries he sustained,

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Speaker 7: but it seems like it was not initially a terminal

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Speaker 7: or a fatal wound, so that he was slowly bleeding out.

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Speaker 7: And what he would be doing is he would be

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Speaker 7: suffering from the pain of whatever areas were hit by

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Speaker 7: that first initial bullet, and then he would be also

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Speaker 7: starting to lose consciousness from the loss of blood. So

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Speaker 7: he's becoming hypoxic, meaning he's not getting any oxygen to

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Speaker 7: his brain or to his vital organs. So he's literally

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Speaker 7: just hanging on by a thread, suffering in pain and

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Speaker 7: losing consciousness.

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Speaker 2: When he looks up and the last thing he sees

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Speaker 2: is Alex Cox and or Coltman Laurie Valo standing over

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Speaker 2: him with a gun.

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Speaker 1: Can he make it out? Doctor? Could he see that?

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Speaker 7: He definitely could have seen that. I mean if he

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Speaker 7: if he was if he was conscious and he opened

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Speaker 7: his eyes, he would have seen that gun pointed at him.

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Speaker 7: I mean this is this is like an execution style killing.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: And now to the most recent conviction, coltman Laurie Valo

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Speaker 2: convicted of conspiring to kill her niece's ex husband, Brandon

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Speaker 2: Booj And you know Chris McDonough joining me, Director Cold

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Speaker 2: Case Foundation, former homicide detective. You can find him at

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Speaker 2: colcaysefoundation dot org or his YouTube channel, The Interview Room.

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Speaker 2: Let's don't forget that there is another victim in this case.

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Speaker 2: His name is Brandon Boudreau and it's just an angel

648
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Speaker 2: in his on his shoulder that kept him from also

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Speaker 2: being a coltman Laurie Valo orchestrated murder.

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Speaker 1: Listen to this, Chris McDonough our cut five three, seven,

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Speaker 1: nine one one.

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Speaker 3: Where's your emergency?

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Speaker 6: Someone just shot my window. Ok I'm in the cool

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Speaker 6: stable way, but I can see them driving off.

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Speaker 4: Okay, someone shot at your vehicle.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it hit my window, shattered my driver's side window.

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Speaker 6: Okay when you pulled into his driveway and I was

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Speaker 6: trying to pull in my driveway. All right, A little

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Speaker 6: uugh buh. They just drove off my thromb drive off.

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Speaker 9: Okay, do you know who these people are.

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Speaker 6: I have no idea. I moved into a new home

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Speaker 6: about a week.

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Speaker 1: Well, we figured out who it was. Chris McDonough.

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Speaker 2: Are you surprised that there's yet another intended murder victim?

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Speaker 5: Not at all, Nancy. And in fact, if you listen

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Speaker 5: to that call, right as we listened to that call,

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Speaker 5: he's saying they them. So there's more than one.

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Speaker 2: Rich Robertson the PI for Brandon Boudreau, who was this

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Speaker 2: close to getting murdered orchestrated by Lori Valo. Question, do you,

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Speaker 2: Rich Robertson, why the cult mom Laurie Valo want Brandon dead?

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Speaker 5: Well, that's gonna be an interesting question. Brandon's wife at

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Speaker 5: the time, Melody, is Lori Valo's niece, and they were

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Speaker 5: She had become part of that group and she was

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Speaker 5: involved in in the same belief system she and it

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Speaker 5: was creating a lot of family tension. So Brandon was

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Speaker 5: upset that his wife was being sucked down this rabbit

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Speaker 5: hole that Laurie had got her involved in. And it

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Speaker 5: certainly appears that Laurie was helping quote unquote her niece

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Speaker 5: deal with this problem, and her problem.

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Speaker 2: Was Brandon question to you, who do you believe was

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Speaker 2: involved in taking a shot at Brandon Bedrive.

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Speaker 5: Well, I have no doubt it was Alex Cox in

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Speaker 5: the back in the jeep that day. Why Well, all

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Speaker 5: the evidence suggests that in all the travel and that

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Speaker 5: was that was going on. I think the evidence is

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Speaker 5: going to show as I understand what's been collected, and

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Speaker 5: this is a lot of electronics communications going on between

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Speaker 5: Alex and Laurie and at the time of the shooting.

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Speaker 5: And I'm sure that there are some cell tower type

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Speaker 5: of records that are going to place Alex at or

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Speaker 5: near that that crime scene. So I think there's there's

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Speaker 5: gonna be a lot of corroboration for who was saying

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Speaker 5: what and where they were at.

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Speaker 1: The time, and what type of vehicle was driving this.

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Speaker 5: This jeep that he was driving was actually Charles Vallas vehicle.

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Speaker 5: He had given it to Tyley. It still had Texas

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Speaker 5: plates on it. And and after Charles's death in July,

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Speaker 5: the shooting at Brandon occurred in October, and that jeep

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Speaker 5: had been up to Rexburg and then back again and

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Speaker 5: h they were there was I mean, all this was

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Speaker 5: kind of put together later, but that was the view

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Speaker 5: that Brandon kind of recognized he saw that vehicle, he

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Speaker 5: was aware of it being Charles, and given the circumstances

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Speaker 5: of what happened to Charles, it certainly raised Brandon's suspicions

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Speaker 5: about who was responsible for this.

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Speaker 12: Listen Lori Valo davel where's an Orange Maricopa County jail uniform?

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Speaker 12: For her first Arizona court appearance. She says little during

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Speaker 12: the brief arraignment, dating her name and date of birth.

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Speaker 12: When a judge asks, the court issues a not guilty

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Speaker 12: plea on her behalf.

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Speaker 2: Guys, take a listen to our cut five two three

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Speaker 2: Americapa County judge addressing cult mom Lourie vale Mornin.

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Speaker 11: And Keith Terry and Dene Sukia behalf of this vala

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Speaker 11: who is president appearing in custody?

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Amana. Could you state your phone?

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Speaker 9: Nay please, Lauri Valodeve and your data birth six twenty

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Speaker 9: six seventy three. And this is the time set for

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Speaker 9: the not guilty arrayment on each count.

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Speaker 2: We'll start with number six.

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Speaker 14: As to number six, man, you are before the court

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Speaker 14: on countant one, we'll enter a not guilty plea on

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Speaker 14: your behalf.

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Speaker 5: On you ever reading, sir, so this value value. You

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Speaker 5: are appearing here on two cases.

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Speaker 17: These are both grand jury wants. What that means is

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Speaker 17: that the grand jury here in Arizona has indicted you

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Speaker 17: on two charges. The first case is CR twenty twenty

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Speaker 17: two zero zero one two four to twosh zero zero one.

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Speaker 17: You're being charged in that case with one count of

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Speaker 17: conspiracy to commit first degree murder. It is a class

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Speaker 17: one felony committed on October the second of twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 17: The second case is CR twenty twenty one zero zero

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Speaker 17: one seven zero four dash zero zero one, and in

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Speaker 17: that case you're also being charged with one count of

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Speaker 17: conspiracy to commit first degree murder.

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Speaker 6: It is also a class one felony.

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Speaker 17: That offense allegedly occurred on July eleventh of twenty nineteen. Now,

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Speaker 17: I do have to advise you of your right to

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Speaker 17: have an attorney and the rights to remain silent. I

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Speaker 17: will appoint counsel for you in both cases.

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Speaker 3: Have a court tech coming up for you.

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Speaker 4: It's called a not guilty arraiment hearing.

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Speaker 2: In the last days A bombshell in the prosecution off

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Speaker 2: cult Mom Laurie Valo. A jury in Phoenix convicts cult

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Speaker 2: mom Laurie Valo, of conspiring to kill her niece's ex husband,

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Speaker 2: Brandon Boudreau. Trust me, we ain't heard the last from

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Speaker 2: Colt mom Laurie Valo, Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,