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Speaker 1: another additional club Shasha. I am your host, Shannon Sharp.

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Speaker 1: head football coach of an HBCU Tennessee State, Hedy George Man,

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Speaker 1: your show to try this outstande do it to much success. Yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: There's been a lot of negativities dealing with HBCUs. We

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Speaker 1: football growing up. I mean I was a big college

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Speaker 1: So I knew of everything about the university and struggles,

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Speaker 1: had conversations wow about that happening. So there's some creative

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00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 1: ideas being floated around in terms of HBCUs and US

422
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 1: going to the FBS level. We are sitting on, you know,

423
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 1: some major bones at Tennessee State, not to mention you know,

424
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 1: nine hundred acres of undeveloped land. Wow. And that's the

425
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: last real big parcels in Tennessee in terms of development,

426
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 1: and that's where the growth is going. So there's some

427
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 1: opportunities there for sure. You mentioned that you had no idea,

428
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 1: that you had no interesting coaching and then it kind

429
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 1: of fell into your lap. Did you come out with it?

430
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: Did you just say, well, I want to stay two years,

431
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 1: don't want to They stay four years, they't wanna stay

432
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: five years? Is there a plan in their timeline? And

433
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: how long you want to stay or want to or

434
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 1: what you want to accomplish while you're there. Well, the

435
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 1: decision was easy for me because I didn't have to

436
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: uproot my family and leave somewhere else. It's literally in

437
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 1: my backyard right. I'm fifteen minutes away already from Tennessee

438
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 1: State from where I live. My son's high schools around

439
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 1: the corner. So my thing was, hey, you know, I

440
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: have a five year contract. My goal is I'm ten

441
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 1: toes down. I'm gonna be present where I am right

442
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 1: now and get this program in a direction where I

443
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 1: needed to go and leave it better than when I

444
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 1: got it. Okay, there will come a time when I

445
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: won't be the head coach, right, That's that's obvious. When

446
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: that is, I'm not sure, and I don't know what

447
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 1: that looks like for me. I don't know if you

448
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: know a power of five schools the next move for me.

449
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if the NFL is the next move

450
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 1: for me. Do you want to coach at the next movie?

451
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: Do you want to coach? Absolutely? I would love that.

452
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 1: So the coaching bug has betten you. You do. I'm dp,

453
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 1: I'm not going in something I'm all in. I mean,

454
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 1: I commit to that thing, and I'm all in. So yes,

455
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: you know, I would. I would look at opportunities outside

456
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: of that, because I understand, you know, what Prime was

457
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: talking about, and for him to give everything he had

458
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 1: to that university and to then getting the criticism that

459
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: came along. But this, of course, they tried to get

460
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: him in the stay though. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean

461
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 1: he's done here. I mean to two under defeated seasons,

462
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: and I mean that's that's that's never been done in

463
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 1: school's history. Right, But he has to think about the

464
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 1: miles and the lives of his coaches that because you

465
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: gave them, they gave him his life. This staff gave

466
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: them their lives for two years being underpaid and on favors.

467
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: So it's time for them to cash in on their

468
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 1: opportunities as well. And I think it's awesome that he

469
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: can take his son, develop him at Jackson State and

470
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: now take him up to a power of five school. Say, okay,

471
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 1: that Hodsman Trophy is now real, right, that National championship

472
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 1: is now real. This platform is now real. You know

473
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And you have to respect that right.

474
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: You have to respect it. How did you go about

475
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Speaker 1: putting your staff together? I remember Hugh Jackson was on

476
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 1: your staff, who have tons of NFL experience, got the

477
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Speaker 1: job at Grambling. As I mentioned, my one of my

478
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: best friends, Keith Burns on your staff, playing a number

479
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 1: years in the NFL, has been on special teams coach

480
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: at Washington. How did you go about putting your staff together?

481
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 1: Because a lot of times you're putting people on your staff,

482
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: you don't really have a whole lot of working relationship

483
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: with them, guys that you don't really know. These guys,

484
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know a single soul outside of Joe Bowden,

485
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: who I played with, Brandon Fisher, who I was on

486
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: the sidelines when I was playing. I relied heavily on

487
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: Jeff Fishers to guidance that I didn't have a roll

488
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: of decks of coaches come come roll with me. You know.

489
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 1: I was just thinking, Okay, who can I call on

490
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: to help me constructors together? So Jeff Fisher, my first

491
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: year was on my staff, is a senior advisor, and

492
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 1: he was an architect to help me piece together who

493
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: was doing what and so I'll get my sea legs

494
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: underneath me. In terms of that, he did a masterful job,

495
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 1: you know. And and in terms of the great coaches

496
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: that are out there, interviewed quite a few guys. Hugh

497
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: came up with some NFL experience, Burns, who was probably,

498
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: you know, the gift in the building. I would never

499
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: tell him that that's my dude, because he brings so

500
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: much joy to it. He makes it fun to come

501
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: to work. It makes it fun to come to work.

502
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: He loves what he does. He's not there for a paycheck. No, yeah,

503
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: you can see that, and I appreciate it about him,

504
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: and he's he got your back, He got your back. Ye,

505
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,959
Speaker 1: He's a dog through and through. Joe Bowden again linebacker

506
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 1: coach played with me with the Titans, Brandon Fisher. I

507
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: mentioned on the offensive side of the football was Keenan Smith,

508
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: who was a wide receivers coach who's now going on

509
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: to other opportunities. H Cory Harkey who got with the

510
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills last year who was not gonna get a ring,

511
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: but led them to a great season last year. So

512
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: I relied heavily on Jeff's guidance with that, And now

513
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: the second and third go around and iteration of coaches,

514
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,479
Speaker 1: I've kind of taken control of that to see, you know,

515
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: who can fit in, who can fight the piece to

516
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: the puzzle. You know, it's got to be a certain

517
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: type of guy that can come in coach these kids,

518
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: but also mesh with the chemistry of the coachy staff. Obviously,

519
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: if the game is a lot different because you're not

520
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: just relying on high school guys. Now that transfer a

521
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: portal and a lot of teams are getting guys out

522
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: of the transf reporter. They're doing more of the transfer

523
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: reporter than they are recruiting, no question, school kids. How

524
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: how have you been able to navigate that? It's it's

525
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: it changes minute, the minute, moment the moment. Two years ago,

526
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: it was, Hey, we're going to go forty forty, you know,

527
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: twenty in terms of our our ratio breakdown portal Juco

528
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: High School, all right, and you know we're going to

529
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: identify these body types. Well, the kids that we've gone

530
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: after and Juco are going up to FBS. You know,

531
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, whoa, you know kids are getting the offers

532
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,479
Speaker 1: from Austin p and you know us and you know

533
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: a fam you are going to Florida State and Ohio State. Wow,

534
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: oh okay, okay, So we gotta find we gotta be

535
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: very creative and how we do it now. So now

536
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: because of the portal is literally free agency. Yes, you're

537
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: seeing somebody go from Alabama, which is crazy to me

538
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: to Homer right like, well, what are you looking for?

539
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, like this whole nil thing is.

540
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: It's still perplexing to me. But from our perspective, we're

541
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: having to go more on younger in terms of high

542
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: school and development because there's a plenty of high school

543
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: kids that are out there that are not getting recruited.

544
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: A lot of quote unquote four star, three star kids

545
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: that are being overlooked. And what's happened for us. We've

546
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: developed like three defensive linemen that we inherit it and

547
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: they're at FBS programs. Wow, one with the West Virginia,

548
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: another one went to UAB, another one went to Akron.

549
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: So it tells me we're doing the right things right.

550
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: We're doing the right things. We're developing these kids. Now,

551
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: we just got to figure out a way develop developing,

552
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: keep them, but use it, you know, to your advantage.

553
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: Say hey, you come here, let me get you, let

554
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: me get your program for two years, give me two years,

555
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: let me develop you. Get you ready for the next

556
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: level of whatever that is, right FBS or even the NFL,

557
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's incouraging to see

558
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: what we're doing and doing it right. But we always

559
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:09,719
Speaker 1: have to shift with the current trend and recruiting and

560
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: constantly finding what that is. That's the number one name

561
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: of the thing in the game right now is it's recruiting.

562
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: All Right, I'm a five star and you gotta come

563
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: into my grandmother's house, and you gotta sell my grand

564
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: you gotta sell me. What's your pitch? Oh lord? First

565
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: of all, let's get a ship with this. Let's let's

566
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: let's do that. First of all, five star. Before I

567
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: get my pitch. First of all, I want to know

568
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: what it is you want to accomplish. Ideally, I want

569
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: to graduate, and then I got to go to the

570
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: next level. Because you see the house you're sitting there.

571
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: In four years, my grandmother's not gonna be sitting absolutely,

572
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: and that's and that's my number one goal. So how

573
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: how soon? How well can you develop me academically, football wise,

574
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: make me a better man, and get me to the

575
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: next level. Well, the first of all, you know, Tennessee

576
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: State has a great is a great institution in terms

577
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: of academics. I mean you look at some of the

578
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: great minds and great people have come through there. I

579
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: have a great business school. I don't know what your

580
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: interest is. We assume as criminal, a criminal justice. I

581
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: would be a criminal. I want to be a lawyer,

582
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: criminal justice major. We can we can get definitely, Can

583
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: you can over me a gift basket? Gift basket? I'm

584
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: I can I can see what I can do. I

585
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: think I can open it. Gets your gift basket and

586
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: a book, all right, I know you love to read.

587
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: I'm coming there. But overall, man, I would you know

588
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: I'm not wanting to sell or pitch. I I really

589
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: I really had like to try to engage myself in

590
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: a conversation with him, man, and find out what's important

591
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: to him. Because if that's what you want, I can

592
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: develop you. I know what that looks like. How much

593
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: is it conversation with the young man as opposed to

594
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: selling mom or grandma? It's reading the room, Okay, find

595
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: out finding out who the decision maker is. Okay, you

596
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Because the young man's gonna be

597
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: influenced by somebody. So if it's mom, I was like, okay,

598
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: you want to see your baby, right right? Yeah? So

599
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: you want to go down to Jackson State and take

600
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: a bus and the plane, or you want to come

601
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: directly to the International Airport in Nashville, Tennessee, fifteen minutes

602
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: from campus and come see him play. Right you know

603
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So location, the ability to see our

604
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: child play and knowing that our staff when you come

605
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: to Tennessee State, it is what it is. Our staff

606
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: really sells it, right. You know, when you got guys

607
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: like you said, Burns and Joe Bowden, Brandon and and

608
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: and Farren Ahs down the hall who was our officeive coordinator,

609
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: you feel the love, you feel the family. You know,

610
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna get hart coached hard, right, but

611
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: it's going to come from a place of love. How

612
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: different and it because when you and I played, we

613
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: didn't have some of the pitfalls that these young guys

614
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: have now, which is social media. How difficult is it

615
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: to coach? And the social media aide were licks and

616
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: like and going viral are more important than becoming a

617
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: great young man being a great football player. Hey man,

618
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: you see it all the time. Man, everything's about the

619
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: instant gratification. It's about clicks and likes and how many

620
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: followers do I have? And it's it's very difficult because

621
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 1: kids are now looking at hell. You know, you got

622
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: Louis Bags at the at your facility, right what you

623
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: want with the You're not getting that? You know, that's

624
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: my I heard that, But you know it's it's very

625
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: difficult now to navigate through that. But I know personally

626
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: I have to do a better job to figure that

627
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 1: out to attract some of these kids to some degree.

628
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm not I'm not about that. I'm

629
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: not about the flash. I'm about action, you know, I'm

630
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: about I'm about the work, you know. I'm about you know,

631
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: getting my hands dirty and and hitting that iron, you know,

632
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: iron sharp as iron, right, about the results. You know,

633
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: I'm not into selling fluff. So but there is a

634
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: balance that I must strike in terms of attracting a

635
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: kid to come see who we are and what we

636
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: do and to get him the door to stay. Have

637
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: you stopped Have you thought about becoming more active on

638
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: social media? Oh? Yeah, absolutely, I think about it all

639
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: the time. I'm constantly trying to figure out ways to

640
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 1: put our message out there, to put my platforms out

641
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: there in a very authentic way that's not forced, that's

642
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: not you know, scripted. It has to be very organic

643
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 1: for me. And and I'm not going to strike until

644
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: it's right. You know, I'm not not going to continue

645
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: to do something that's just to just to do it

646
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: and it comes off as fake, right, not not who

647
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: I am, right, But it has to it has to be.

648
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: It has to be real for me. I'm looking at

649
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: you like your son. You're coaching your son. You have

650
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: one of your sons at USC and you mentioned in

651
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 1: film school and now you're coaching your son. Are your

652
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: coach when you're coaching? Are your coach or your dad?

653
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 1: I'm coach when I'm coaching. Okay, he knows that. And

654
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be hard. It's gonna be hard and

655
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: and but fair, right and and I coached my kids

656
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: my team anyway, like there my sons, right, so it's

657
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: not gonna be anything different. And you know, I'll be

658
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: dad and drive home. But when he was getting recruited,

659
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 1: I think it came down. It came down to two

660
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: other schools. I was Navy and and Firman. And I

661
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: thought he was gonna go to Firming, right. I wasn't

662
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: gonna coach tomorrow. I said, this is your life, this

663
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: is your decision. You know what I'm about you seeing

664
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: us grow from year one to year two. You've been

665
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: around it, even on the sidelines and so forth. But

666
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: he said, Dad, you know I want to come play

667
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: for you. I said, well, why? Said well what number one?

668
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: I want to help you build this right? Wow? And

669
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: I believe in what you're doing and you know, if

670
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 1: I want to if I want to go to grad school,

671
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: get my masters in business, I'm gonna do that. And

672
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: if things to work out in football, I want to

673
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 1: get the communications. I want to talk about football, you know,

674
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 1: talk about the game. So he has a plan, right

675
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: as a high school senior, right, there's some kids that

676
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: don't even think that way. That's that's twenty two, twenty

677
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: four years old, right, you know, still chasing the football dreams.

678
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: So I said, okay, let's let's do it. And now

679
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's now with real skinning the game. Yeah,

680
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 1: he's coming there. It's got to be right, right, I

681
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: got I got to see it through. Do you ever

682
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: worry about him going home and say, Mom, Dad, Dad tripping? Dad,

683
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: have tripping at practice to day. I don't know what

684
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: Dad was all. Nah, that happens already. I'll be at

685
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: this wrestling matches already, lead lead on, you know, yeah,

686
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: I'm at this wrestling matches. I'm already doing that and

687
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: the stands already. So you know, I don't worry about that.

688
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: I worry about my wife more than anything else. You know,

689
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:54,439
Speaker 1: she's she's she's she's the tough one right. Yeah, looking

690
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: at your upbringing. You're born in Philly, you go up, Yeah,

691
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: we're your ego fan. Oh who up? Bleeding Eagle Green

692
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: h Roger Warski, Steve spack Noa grew up hating Dallas,

693
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 1: stating the Giants in Washington. Michael Coms. I used to

694
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: sell hot chocolate at the stadium. Oh yes, yes, it

695
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: was Eagle Philadelphia. It was Eagles playing wash the Redskins,

696
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: and I was I didn't make no money that day.

697
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: I was a big football fan. I only took the

698
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: job so I can watch the games. But they had

699
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: membering ghost Busters. We had these packs on our back

700
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: of hot chocolate and we had cups on the side.

701
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: So I was up in the upper decks and I'm

702
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: selling hot chocolate and the plays going on, and I'm

703
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,479
Speaker 1: looking and I go to pool it and I'm pulling

704
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: out the hot chocolate. I'm shaking and shaking it and

705
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: it wasn't coming out. So finally I shouted out and

706
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: hot chocolate slatting everywhere right, and it was on this

707
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: woman's white meat coat. Ah many, she didn't notice it.

708
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: Everybody looked at me. I looked at them. I stuff

709
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: down the steps I can't. I can't afford to pay

710
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: for that joy. But yeah, I grew up a big

711
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: Philadelphia fan. I love I love my Sixers like we

712
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: love the Lakers, love the Flyers of everything about Philly sports. Now, yeah,

713
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: high school football. You remember you said that, I think

714
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: your sophomore year, your mom sent you to military school. Yeah,

715
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: going into my junior year? Yeah? What what was that like?

716
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 1: And why why did she do that? Were you hard hited? Oh? Listen,

717
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: I had a one point three g PA in high school.

718
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 1: So you get in prisoned with that grade. I couldn't

719
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: get in prison. I was gonna go to Garson, was

720
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: going to pay a running back at Penn State. Okay.

721
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: And you know I was kidding myself. I wasn't alaala Land.

722
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: And my mother could see where my life was headed. Okay,

723
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And she said, Okay, I

724
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 1: can make this move. Now, get him out of Philadelphia.

725
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: Get him in an environment where he can begin to

726
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: thrive and to begin to see his pot you were

727
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: hanging with, Oh, I was it was? It was. I

728
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: was a product of my environment. You know what I'm saying.

729
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: There was a lot of drug use, a lot of depression,

730
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: the kids, you know, drinking, smoking, you know, stealing. Yeah,

731
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: and I wasn't that type of kid. I've never I

732
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: don't like to get highway. I'll drink every now and again,

733
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: but you know, I was being influenced in other ways

734
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: and and and she said I had to you had

735
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,240
Speaker 1: to get out of there. So at the age of fifteen,

736
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: she sent me down the Forking Military Academy. Wow, in

737
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: the middle of Noting. Literally, like Charlottesville is thirty minutes

738
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: east or west, Richmond is about another ninety miles uh

739
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: uh east and smack dab in the middle of Forking

740
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: Military Academy. And when you talk about culture shop, man,

741
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: it was tough. I didn't I did not adhere to

742
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: any other rules when I first got down there that

743
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 1: he had every second, every second of the day was

744
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: accounting for. Yeah, he was doing something, chores, studying, working out,

745
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: doing something. And I thought, you know, this was you know,

746
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: uh freelance willie, you know, doing whatever I wanted to do.

747
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: But I had to learn real quick that yes, I

748
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: had to do my chores. I gotta sweep the hallways,

749
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: I gotta wax, and I gotta buffet, I had to

750
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: clean the bathrooms. I gotta do all that stuff. And

751
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 1: once I committed to the process of that, that's when

752
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: things began to flourish. So I went there, man, I

753
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 1: went to Fork Union, and you talk about some dudes.

754
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: I believe it was about eighteen guys that we got

755
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: division on scholarships out of four King Dogs went to

756
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: North Carolina, Clemson, Florida State, or Savannah State, Virginia Union,

757
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: Youngstown State, all over the country, some dudes. And I

758
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,479
Speaker 1: had to I went down to six feet one hundred

759
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: and seventy eight pounds, and I had to get bigger,

760
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: stronger and fast. And that's and that's what I did.

761
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: How big were you were? You were you with anybody

762
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: in your family military to the father My father was

763
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: was he served in the army, My uncle, his brother

764
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: served in Vietnam. My grandfather served in the military as well.

765
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: So you have some you have the general knowledge of

766
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 1: what military structure was like, but but no parts of

767
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: that where you had to do. You know, hospital corners

768
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: every day, two space fingers, with your with everything. Everything

769
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 1: they say six thirty eight, don't you come in that Thai.

770
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: Everything is a regiment. And so I did that for

771
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: two and a half three years and I will never

772
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 1: forget it. Man. After my true senior year, I rushed

773
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: for like thirteen hundred yards. I was all prep but

774
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: my grades. You know, I had to really work on

775
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: my grades. I didn't have had zero scholarship offers. I

776
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: had a partial offer to Edinburgh and this was going

777
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: on my senior year and I'm like, what am I

778
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: going to do? You know? So luckily they have a

779
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 1: postgraduate program going back for second year again other year,

780
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: and I developed and I worked on my my grades,

781
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: and that's where I got really into reading, you know,

782
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: Thanking Real Rich by Napoleon Hill. Okay, you know I

783
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: was reading that every day and just having a positive

784
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: mindset and just believing because I didn't have a place

785
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 1: to go to it all. So I went back hoping

786
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 1: that I can come back and garner some attention from

787
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,439
Speaker 1: some major schools. And I did just that. Man. So

788
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,439
Speaker 1: it was it was a blessing of disguise that my mother,

789
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: because she didn't have much money, and I always wondered

790
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: how did she pay for it? And it wasn't until

791
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six when I got drafted that she drove

792
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: back down to four key Military Academy and gave them

793
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 1: that final check for my installment to pay off my

794
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: entire school. Wow. Yeah, she's sacrificed. He worked seven six

795
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: seven jobs man as a model, flight attendant, waitress, you know,

796
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: god knows what else. It was just me and my

797
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: sister and she worked their ass off to put me

798
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: through there, and it was it was definitely life changing

799
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: for me. So you get you're getting offers. Where was oh?

800
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: I mean, it was all the state the obviously it

801
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: wasn't the only offer, but did once they offered, did

802
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: you know you were going to Ohio State? I wanted

803
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: to go to Penn State. Penn State fan, right, my father,

804
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 1: you know he was. He was a big football fanatic,

805
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 1: love running backs, and I wanted He was on drugs

806
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: at the time, and I wanted him to get clean.

807
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 1: I felt like if he saw me thriving, being successful,

808
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: he would come to my games. It would give him

809
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: the incentive to get clean, clean life and relationship. So

810
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: my goal was to go to Penn State and be

811
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: a running back. Yeah, because they have him great with

812
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: Frank oh Harrithly, Mitchell, DJ John Yeah, yeah, yeah, they

813
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: had some dudes and I wanted to where that black

814
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 1: and white, right that blue and white, so black shoes.

815
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: And so I'm getting recruited at that time. You know,

816
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: I got Louisville b B YU, Nebraska came on the scene,

817
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 1: and one other school, Virginia BA. And I was really

818
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: thinking toward Virginia. But there was a guy that was

819
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: that went to Ohio State, who was at Fourth Union,

820
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: who was my opportun sergeant a year ago, who was

821
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: a trainer that taped ankles, and he would call me

822
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: from time to time and I hated him because he

823
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: drove me crazy. I'm like, Danny, Danny Ozmys. Danny kept

824
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: calling me. He's finding out, you know, how are you

825
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: doing and you know and playing uh in my high

826
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 1: school years and he was like, you're having a great season.

827
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: What do you think about coming to Ohio State? And

828
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: I was like, oh man, that would be great. You know,

829
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 1: they got Robert Smith, Demond Harris Butler, but they got

830
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: some news too. All one it was opportunity. So he says, well,

831
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk to the head national recruiting coordinator and

832
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: let him know about you a trainer. So I'm like,

833
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 1: all right, whatever. So calls me two weeks later, tells

834
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: me send up a tape. I send him a tape.

835
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: They look at it, calls me back to Eddie. They

836
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: actually love you. Send another tape. I send another tape. Dude,

837
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: this three or four more times. I'm like, I have

838
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: no more tape the show. But finally they came down.

839
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,720
Speaker 1: Ron Hudson recruited in the area. A quarterback coach checked

840
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 1: out the you know if I was six three, looked

841
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: at the dimension and see if I was the right fit.

842
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: I went up there. It was the worst visit of

843
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: my life because it didn't take me out the show.

844
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: All the goods they you know how they match you

845
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 1: with personality, so they think I was a military guy.

846
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: I was a military dude. So I sat in their

847
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: apartment watching movies Man and Ohio State. I got twenty

848
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 1: four hours. I'm like, look, show me where the women,

849
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 1: show me the j I want to see the steps

850
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: show but terrible. So it wasn't until I went into

851
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: Ohio Stadium before I went to the airport the shoe

852
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: and I walk in there and I'm like, oh, you

853
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: get chilled. I gets hills now. I said, this is

854
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: something about this feels right and I just felt it

855
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 1: and I started, Yes, Yes, I said, Archie Griffin was played. Yes, yes,

856
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: Chris Carter, you know all the greats, the great games.

857
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: I said, just just give me an opportunity. I mean,

858
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: I'm willing to compete. I don't care who's ahead of me,

859
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: whether you know these guys are in the NFL. Just

860
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: let me compete. And Coach Cooper offered me right on

861
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: the spot. I said, I commit right here and then't waiver,

862
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: and the rest is history. I'm looking at the freshman year,

863
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: your f we had a problem with bumbling onto the

864
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: poop poble. You're fumbling twice. I think it was against

865
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 1: Michigan Illinois, Illinois. Yeah, and you lose that game because

866
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: you're fumbed twice inside the five yard lane. Your siph

867
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: Moore year, your third string, you barely even play. Yeah,

868
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: you get back on the field your junior year fourteen

869
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: hundred yards, twelve touchdown, and then your senior year you

870
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: go crazy. Yeah, how what was it like at your

871
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: lower's point your freshman year? Yes, everybody's boy, they would

872
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 1: kill you. I have a lot they would kill you.

873
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: Hey sharp, hey saying, hey dog, you know how y'all

874
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: are right? You gott mess up. You gotta start cracking

875
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 1: on a butterfingers. Yea, yeah, yeah, I'll carry my trade.

876
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: They holding their hands beneath the trade like it was

877
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: the trade. I mean it was. It was bad, and

878
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 1: I was. I think in the one publication said I

879
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: was the worst running back to come through Ohio State

880
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: in the history house. Wow. And I didn't know. I

881
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: wasn't good up the dog house. And I thought about transferring.

882
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 1: I really did, because I had success early prior to

883
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: those two fumbles. I had three touchdowns. When national television

884
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: get Syracuse right, it was naturally ranked it and I

885
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: was the goal iron specialist. And when that happened, I

886
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: got shelved for two years and I went in the tank.

887
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 1: I got depressed, scourged. My mother kept said, hey, see

888
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: it through you know, persist without exception, and I never

889
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: forgot that. And I said, okay, I can leave Ohio State.

890
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: I can jump in the portal and run from this,

891
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 1: or I could plant my two feet down and fight

892
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: it off and embrace, embrace it and become back. And

893
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: that's when I won the Heisman, and my freshman in

894
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 1: my sophomore year, when I made that commitments begin. So

895
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: I began to work out twice a day. You know, hey,

896
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: we used to lift and run, so we will run

897
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: four hundreds, two hundreds time laps all that. I would

898
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: do that twice. I will study film. I would watch

899
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: the grades. I remember watching Thurman Thomas and Barry Sanders,

900
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: Emmitt Smith taking pieces of what they do with the hand.

901
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: Hands had hands tight, hands blocking. You know how he

902
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: reads the whole, how he read the inside zone, outside zone.

903
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,919
Speaker 1: What was his swift work on ISO? You know all

904
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,760
Speaker 1: those little minute details. So I can create my own style.

905
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And I committed to that.

906
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: And when I got the opportunity. You know, my junior year,

907
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: my senior year played with some dogs, you know, Orlando Pasting,

908
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: Terry Glenn certainly help you, and Ricky Dudley definitely helped.

909
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: But we committed to that. I committed to excellence and

910
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: in the brest resist me with that. What so give

911
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: me your mouth, your name some of the great running back,

912
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: Give me your mouth rushmore of college running backs of college. Yeah,

913
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw if you you got Barried bow Dreck,

914
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: Henry Errol campbell O, j Tony d Herschel, Ricky Williams

915
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: run Day, Reggie Busch, Marcus Salen. But you gotta miss

916
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: Eric Dickerson, Okay, yeah, nineteen with the horse, Yes, that

917
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: nerong man. Well you gotta well Barry to me, you

918
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: know what he did in eleven ball games. No one

919
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: has still the extra games. They're not gonna do that anybody.

920
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 1: Anybody rusing twenty yards and then don't count the ball game.

921
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,760
Speaker 1: Come back, the ball didn't count. He rushs two hundred

922
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: and five the right right, So that ain't mean so

923
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: I say, Barry Sanders, oh Man, bow Jack was nasty.

924
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: Let me think here. I'm gonna say Derrick Henry Marcus

925
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:42,879
Speaker 1: was awesome. God, Marcus was great. First two Herschel, I know.

926
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:50,720
Speaker 1: But Marshall Falk, I mean mad Brand Marshall San Diego State.

927
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: He was special, not all black. Oh yeah, he was special.

928
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: Talk about the rivalry Michigan Ohio State? What makes it special?

929
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: And did you know did you feel, I mean without

930
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 1: even playing in it, did you know what it meant?

931
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: Do you know what it wrong? Yeah? Yeah, I mean again,

932
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: I studied college football growing up. I knew about that

933
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: rivalry and everybody. That's the greatest rivalry in all of sports.

934
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: You could say Yankees and Red Sox. You can say,

935
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: you know North Carolina basketball, right, that's Alabama, all burn

936
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 1: Us the UCLA, But that one there completely different ball game.

937
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: You know, bow and Woody and and and even. It

938
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 1: goes back to how the business schools were all set up,

939
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: you know. So that's that is a a vicious rivalry

940
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: and that was probably outside of the Baltimore games that

941
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: we had. Yeah, that's that's that's what I Oh, no question, Michigan, Ohio,

942
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: state of Baltimore, Tennessee. You know what's funny? Then Burns

943
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,760
Speaker 1: was just talking about this the other day, Yes, yesterday,

944
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 1: he said, from his perspective, that was the baddest defense ever. Yes,

945
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: it was four three y'all right, a four three cover

946
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 1: two beat it. They beat it, and they had a

947
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 1: young Ray Lewis coming down here. Man. And what you say,

948
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 1: y'all said listen? Marma said, how many points y'all? Yeah? Six?

949
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: Six field goal? You think it was? Today? Like give

950
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 1: us ten? I like, Marba ten, I'll give us seven.

951
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, but you know, they legislated that brand of

952
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 1: football out. You can't play. You can't beat that physical

953
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: anymore because they i mean, they literally went to the

954
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:40,919
Speaker 1: ball game trying to knock they're gonna be a leven start,

955
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: but eleven the finish. It was bulleyball and its finest.

956
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: And you know what, man, I hated y'all, especially hated

957
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 1: you because you caught that wheel route. Yeah, and I said,

958
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: what they can't school y'all had a hundred and twelve

959
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: yards of offense and won the game. It really was discipline. Uh,

960
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: there was not one week leak on it from corn

961
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 1: to corner. Yeah, you know, you can find one somebody.

962
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,959
Speaker 1: There was nobody. There was nobody. And that's and that's

963
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: what you know with those wars that we had, you

964
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 1: know what, something out of me because the week of

965
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: you know, playing Baltimore, it's like, all right, listen, nobody's

966
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: coming to town, right, don't don't bother me this week

967
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: because there's a spiritual preparation that you gotta get ready for.

968
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: It's spiritually because the moment that you that you shudder

969
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: or wink or or have a shadow of a doubt,

970
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,959
Speaker 1: you're done. Yeah, you're done. It was it was grown

971
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: men on that field, right, you know what I'm saying,

972
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: And it was it was nothing to play with and uh,

973
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: it really forced me to raise my level of play

974
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: every time faceball. I think it also helped that the

975
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: two head coaches didn't like each other. Oh yeah, yeah,

976
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: Jeff Fish and Brand did not like each other, and

977
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: so they spent time taking shots for each other. He

978
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: read what Jeff fan and I'm sure Jeff oh blood

979
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 1: pressure going up on the Wednesday, like all right, if

980
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: we can, we can get it on today. It wasn't

981
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: it was like that, but you know those rivalries, man,

982
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: I'm so honored that I was able to play and

983
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: be a central figure in that. You know that Bishop

984
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: when I played at Ohio State, we'd be Michigan one time.

985
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: That's the time that they owned us, right. We couldn't

986
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: we couldn't figure out the way to beat them that

987
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: when you had that master game. But I think Bianca

988
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: Patuca we went for like three hundred three, three ten,

989
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: three thirteen. Yeah, I remember all They lost to Produe

990
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 1: the week before we even watch that film, so we

991
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: didn't know who we were going to see. They came

992
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 1: out there, you know against us, catch one hand, catches,

993
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: laying out extra effort, you know, Biakapatuka went off, We

994
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 1: got we got him. You know, he got drafted that day.

995
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: I had top ten against us. But that's how that's

996
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:12,399
Speaker 1: what that game, that's the rivals about. You did you play?

997
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 1: I think, oh yeah, I'll make a side. Fine, So

998
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: what what made you? Because they always tried to get

999
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 1: me to play, and I couldn't do it because I'm like,

1000
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: you know, I had me a nice ride. I had

1001
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 1: that clue. You know, I had a brother to league. Yeah. Yeah,

1002
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: I couldn't let nobody. I won't bet on the way

1003
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 1: with I'm just you know what, I'm curious. You know what,

1004
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this. I'll let you ask the question.

1005
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 1: You have Kappa Kappa Kappa tendencies, but you're a dog

1006
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: Obga side, no question, probably, no question. And I definitely

1007
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: stand on the ship. Yes, absolutely so. My my sophomore year,

1008
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: I was going, I was going in the process, okay,

1009
00:56:55,160 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 1: And for some strange reason, you know, the process never happened. Okay. Uh.

1010
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 1: And once I my my playing career took off my

1011
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: junior year, I said, I don't have time for that, right,

1012
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: I gotta go get this paper. I gotta go take

1013
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: care of my family. Dreams to try to go get

1014
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: But I always had the back of my mind if there,

1015
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: if there were ever a time for me to go

1016
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: back and do it, I was gonna do it. So

1017
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: COVID was that time. And you know what I said?

1018
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: You know what, Hey, it's it's great in the brotherhood

1019
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 1: is good. Yeah, it's a great friendship. The network is vast.

1020
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: You talk about the Jordan of the Mega Slap five,

1021
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 1: Shock Mego Slapi five and being on the HPC cam. Yeah,

1022
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: it's different. Different, it's a different It's different. It's different.

1023
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: It's different. I thought if my knees wasn't so bad

1024
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: right now, I promise, I know, I know how stay

1025
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: with the band the Eye. But there's something about that

1026
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: pageantry at the games, that band, the fans dancing down

1027
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: stop and the man m they're coming down. Man. It's

1028
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: a different animal. Our homecoming game was what uh about

1029
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: nineteen thousand we played Jackson State and Memphis was fifty

1030
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: thousand fans, man and a great game against Prime Andent.

1031
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: But again they hear their band and our band going

1032
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: at it. That's what it is about. The band's not

1033
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: supposed to play when the other team got the ball,

1034
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: but but they don't give it. The pay when you

1035
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 1: got right cloud to cloud non stop that. But that's

1036
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: that's right. That's what you start out in Houston, and

1037
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: then I think Houston, you ninety five, ninety six, ninety seven,

1038
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: and I think ninety eight. When y'all moved to Nashville,

1039
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: they moved the ninety seven seven rookie year, right, so

1040
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: we moved the ninety seven played in Memphis, right, but

1041
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: still was crazy, right, every day every game was like

1042
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: away game. Right. Then we played in Vanderbilt, right, yeah, yeah,

1043
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 1: it was hot that day. I do remember I see

1044
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 1: that when I saw the Waves, I see them boys hot.

1045
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was played there and we had subpar seasons,

1046
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 1: had the fan fare. We couldn't give away a ticket

1047
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: those games. People walk by Vanderbilt and a Sunday thinking

1048
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 1: as a church revival. They couldn't. It's like, who's here.

1049
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: But it wasn't until the two thousand when we changed

1050
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 1: the name. The Colors sold out every PSL and and

1051
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 1: just took off from there. Man. We we really appreciated

1052
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: having that because it finally felt like we were playing

1053
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Prior to that, we were no mad.

1054
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 1: You know, you realize that when your first round draft

1055
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: picked there the expectation. But when you win the Heisman

1056
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: Trophy as a running back, the expectation is greatly increased.

1057
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: So they expect you to come here and do exactly

1058
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 1: what you did to see that you wasn't hide of

1059
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: the trophy. And if you don't, they're like, well, what

1060
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 1: I mean, what I mean, how hard is it? Right? Not?

1061
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: My thing was now, I'm here to dominate, man, I'm

1062
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: here to make my mark on on on the NFL, right,

1063
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 1: whatever capacity that is. And that was my mindset. It wasn't.

1064
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: I put all the distractions aside. I got me a

1065
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 1: nice department on Holly Hall. It's awesome Houston, by the way, anyway,

1066
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: cheers that htown, yeah, man, whom Yeah, But I got

1067
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: an apartment you know, was locked in on my craft

1068
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 1: and Ronnie Harmon was on our team, okay, and he

1069
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 1: took me under his wing and showed me how to

1070
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 1: be a professional, how to prepare, taking notes, looking, how

1071
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: to run routes, you know, all the little minute things

1072
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: slowing down, you know, on my steps to the approaches

1073
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,919
Speaker 1: the whole a certain way. Mel Gray, same thing told

1074
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: me about stocks and bonds, you know, things to read,

1075
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 1: how to read the stock market. So getting around those

1076
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 1: guys early on left an indelible mark on me in

1077
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: terms of how to be a professional and wanting to

1078
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: do more right. No shit, I watched you work, you

1079
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: know at Denver, you know your work ethic. I mean,

1080
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 1: I wanted to be talked about among the greats. What

1081
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:28,919
Speaker 1: was my goal when I wanted to start off fast?

1082
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 1: And you did? I mean did? I mean? You rush

1083
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 1: for ten thousand yard in their career, never missed the start,

1084
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,439
Speaker 1: joining Jim Brown and Walter Payton as the only started

1085
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: consecutive regular season game. You had one hundred and thirty

1086
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty contacutive to start rush for a

1087
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 1: thousand yards all but one season. When it was time

1088
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 1: to leave Tennessee, how difficult of a decision was that

1089
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 1: it was very difficult. It happened faster than I thought.

1090
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: You know, I signed a big deal two or three

1091
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: years prior to that hurt. My toe still played in

1092
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 1: the games that we still had a small window with

1093
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: that particular team to win, and I didn't want to

1094
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 1: miss that, you know, I wanted to be a part

1095
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: of that. Those my boys. So it came down to

1096
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 1: I think five hundred thousand dollars, and that five hundred

1097
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 1: thousand dollars was symbolic to say, Okay, I'm willing to

1098
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 1: take a pay cut, but don't don't be disrespectful. Right,

1099
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 1: that's I want to stay, don't you if if I

1100
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 1: take it down to a certain level, now you can

1101
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: get rid of me, right, I mean, that's just that's business.

1102
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 1: So we never saw out of eye on that. I

1103
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 1: left with the Dallas. Who did you blame that on?

1104
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 1: I know one, that was my decision. That was strictly

1105
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: my but you feed it with disrespectful good They had

1106
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 1: already asked you to take a pay cut and you

1107
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: said yes, and then they wanted to give you a

1108
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: shave you here. You know what I think it was

1109
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: was the organization was Bud Adams, it was Floyd Reese,

1110
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: it was Jeff Fisher. I mean, I get the business

1111
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 1: side and how they've done players in the past, you know,

1112
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 1: Steve and me, and it was it was It wasn't

1113
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 1: with dignity because my vision was, damn you know how

1114
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 1: I was gonna leave the game was at a press conference.

1115
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 1: You know, my boys in the crowd and cameras pop

1116
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 1: right whatever that is, and and go out on my

1117
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 1: own terms. But it didn't happen that way, right, So

1118
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: watching them when I was in the Dallas Cowboy uniform,

1119
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: watching the team that I helped build, you know, was painful,

1120
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 1: and it was hard for me to love the game

1121
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 1: the same way I saw the business side of of

1122
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: of the game, and I could not adjust to it

1123
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 1: because I did not play for that. I did not

1124
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 1: play for money. I played for the Camaradoie, the love.

1125
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 1: That's what I missed the most. You mentioned Steve and

1126
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 1: you guys had a great relationship and unfortunately he died

1127
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 1: tragically in a murder suicide. How did that impact you,

1128
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 1: because I know you guys were so close. Yeah, it's

1129
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 1: not There's not a day I don't think about him,

1130
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:07,439
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I dream about him a lot, actually, wow.

1131
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 1: And in the dream is like where out of the

1132
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:13,919
Speaker 1: practice field, I can hear his laugh, so to see

1133
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 1: his distinct laugh, and he's laughing, he's joking with me,

1134
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:19,919
Speaker 1: and I say to him, and see you're not dead.

1135
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 1: I wake up and I'm like, damn, you know, he's

1136
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: physically gone. But I think it's a way his way

1137
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 1: of telling me that I'm not right I'm on the

1138
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 1: other side. It's a different phase of life. But I'm

1139
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 1: not watching him become, you know, the player that he

1140
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 1: became to be. That's awesome, al Corn to MVP leading

1141
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 1: the team to the super Bowl, but in his dark moment,

1142
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 1: still Shannon like. It was some tough times when the

1143
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 1: fans booed him, yes, when he couldn't throw a five

1144
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: yard out with confidence, when he wasn't Ara McNair. You know,

1145
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 1: he was a manager, and he was selfless in the

1146
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 1: point where he didn't say much. He knew his role.

1147
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 1: But once he committed to his craft and dedicated to

1148
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 1: being the quarterback that he wanted to be, he was awesome.

1149
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 1: And I watched him go from you know, not being

1150
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 1: able to throw a five yard out to being masterful

1151
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 1: calling plays within the play you know on the football field,

1152
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 1: want five wides and checking the plays, you know, manipulating

1153
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 1: defense with his eyes and safety, I mean all that stuff.

1154
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 1: It was awesome to watch that. The watching him go

1155
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 1: from that to MVP was was awesome. Man. I read

1156
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 1: where you say you struggle after leaving the game, you

1157
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 1: felt with depression, you felt at one point in time.

1158
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 1: I think, if I'm correctly you can correct me if

1159
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 1: I'm wrong that you thought your suicidal at points. I wouldn't.

1160
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say I wouldn't say that depressed, but definitely

1161
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 1: majorly depressed. And because I didn't, I didn't I didn't

1162
01:05:56,720 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 1: know what was next, man, I mean, uh, I was

1163
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 1: hoping for another opportunity, right. It never it never came,

1164
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 1: and I never had the proper closure with that, you

1165
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. It never never had that that

1166
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 1: goodbbe you was preparing for the opportunity, but not for

1167
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 1: the opportunity to exit. So you didn't have anything set

1168
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 1: up like, Okay, this what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna

1169
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 1: go business, I'm gonna do ye, none of that. It

1170
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 1: was none of that there, you see what I'm saying.

1171
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 1: It was that wasn't there, So I had to go

1172
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 1: create it, right, And that's when I got into acting. Okay, okay,

1173
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:36,120
Speaker 1: because right around the time I started doing TV and

1174
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 1: I was getting some opportunities actual y'all here a Fox

1175
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 1: Fox Studios, and I did a couple of audition best enforce. Yeah.

1176
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 1: So I did an audition for I think it was

1177
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 1: I Think Alive. It was terrible, oh man, cast director

1178
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 1: took off a shirt. I'm delivering these lines. I'm saying,

1179
01:06:56,920 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 1: you know, hey, you can't make me do that. I'm stupid,

1180
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it was terrible. I said, Okay,

1181
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:05,959
Speaker 1: you know what, if I'm gonna do acting, I'm gonna

1182
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 1: go and get acting lessons. I'm gonna learn the craft.

1183
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 1: I'm appreciate it. And when I found by that by

1184
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:15,479
Speaker 1: going through by acting class work with a young young lady,

1185
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 1: a woman by the name of Animal Reamka short Italian

1186
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 1: ladies no longer with us for for seven years, and

1187
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 1: we would sit in her house and she would make

1188
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 1: this Italian soup and we would sit there and read

1189
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 1: pages of of of of of of ads, you know,

1190
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 1: and acted out and reading Shakespeare and reading all of

1191
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 1: these novels and I'm adding character and learning the art

1192
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 1: of acting Uda Hogan reading these all these books and

1193
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 1: just to be able to write. And I found that

1194
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 1: it was cathartic for me because all of that that

1195
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 1: pain and disappointment and discouragement and depression and frustration, I

1196
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 1: was able to filter that out through a character and

1197
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 1: even through my own writing, and it was healing. And

1198
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 1: I was like, oh wow, this is this is awesome.

1199
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 1: So then I got on stage. Did my first play

1200
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 1: failed terribly Broadway? I mean, no, normally be like acting.

1201
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 1: I mean I don't really know how. I don't know

1202
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 1: anybody that's ever done it your way. But normally I'm

1203
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 1: thinking about actor. I'm thinking they're coming to Hollywood. I'm

1204
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 1: thinking they want to be on the big screen. But

1205
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,799
Speaker 1: you went to Broadway. Why you know. I watched Denzel

1206
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 1: you know, so I'm gonna raising the Sun. Saw him offenses, yea,

1207
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 1: I saw him a couple of different deals. I love Broadway,

1208
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:35,839
Speaker 1: but right at the time I was looking at other actors.

1209
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 1: This said, well, if you want to act, when your

1210
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 1: actor go to theater, you know, if you want to

1211
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:42,799
Speaker 1: be a movie star, come out. They come out to Hollywood.

1212
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: And I thought about that, says, well, acting, you know,

1213
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 1: theater is for the actor because it's it's in real time,

1214
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 1: it's like right now, and it's so much that the

1215
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 1: stakes are high, and you have to be able to

1216
01:08:56,320 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 1: be real and imaginary circumstances and to be vulnerable and

1217
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:05,800
Speaker 1: to really open up and go there. So that's what

1218
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:08,920
Speaker 1: I did. I said, Okay, if I'm going to jump

1219
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 1: on screen, if I'm going to jump on the stage.

1220
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 1: I want to be prepared for that. I want to

1221
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 1: study the art of being an actor, not a movie star.

1222
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:19,679
Speaker 1: So that way, hey, if I could jump in front

1223
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 1: of a camera, we could have this conversation. You know,

1224
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 1: it makes it's it's it's the doe joe. Okay, that's

1225
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 1: what I call it. The doe joe or the weight

1226
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 1: room right for getting the camera and so forth, because

1227
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 1: you're learning how to be truthful and how to deliver

1228
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:38,640
Speaker 1: lines and the blocking on stage and all of that.

1229
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:41,679
Speaker 1: So that kind of helped me, you know, and still

1230
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 1: does this day. For that, dude, one of the adrenaline rush.

1231
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 1: You come out in front of eighty thousand, you come

1232
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:51,759
Speaker 1: out in the super Bowl where you got one hundred

1233
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 1: million people walking, and then you're on Broadway where you

1234
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:58,679
Speaker 1: got two, maybe a couple of hundred people watching. What's

1235
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 1: the difference. The difference is it's intimate. On the football field,

1236
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:06,840
Speaker 1: you know, you a few hundred yards away, you can

1237
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 1: fumble the boot. You know, you get up, you shake

1238
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 1: it off, you can impose your will, you know, to

1239
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 1: get back into it. On stage, if you're out there

1240
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:17,560
Speaker 1: by yourself, all you can do is save yourself I

1241
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 1: remember I didn't play gods from Bones years ago and

1242
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 1: my lines. It was an ensemble and a lot going on.

1243
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:30,760
Speaker 1: It was Judgment day, was the monologue, and it's it's

1244
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 1: all the stuff going on. There's African drums going on,

1245
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:37,719
Speaker 1: they're streamers, Sun Moon all that. And I was supposed

1246
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 1: to say, And the God himself stepped down with the

1247
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:41,600
Speaker 1: Sun of his right hand in the moon's left. The

1248
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 1: stars clustered up of his head and the earth under

1249
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 1: his feet, and God walked where he trode, hollow, the

1250
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:48,640
Speaker 1: valleys out and bowls the mountains up. That's what I

1251
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:51,800
Speaker 1: was supposed to say. So it was my turn. And

1252
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 1: much like these lights to heat the lights, I could

1253
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:57,640
Speaker 1: feel the lights. Right. I walked down center stage and

1254
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 1: it's packed. Dude's packed one night only see Eddie, George,

1255
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 1: La La La right. And I can see my my

1256
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 1: ex teammates in the crowd. They're like that, like all

1257
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 1: you want to be let's see this, right. I can

1258
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 1: see the smirk on their faces. I see my my

1259
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 1: wife at the time. She's like, oh shit, he's gonna

1260
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 1: he's gonna crack. So I said, God himself stepped down

1261
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:26,599
Speaker 1: the Sun's right hand, the moon is left, the wind

1262
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:30,720
Speaker 1: is blowing, the grass is green, the animals are in

1263
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:33,759
Speaker 1: the pasture, and God said that's good. And I walked

1264
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,760
Speaker 1: off the stage and don't what, That's not what I

1265
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 1: supposed to say, No, exactly. So I learned how to improvide.

1266
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 1: The Assamba was like what did he just do? Right? Okay?

1267
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 1: And I had to deliver another monologue at the end.

1268
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:53,599
Speaker 1: And from that point on, I said I'll never get

1269
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 1: back on stage again because I was terrible. But I said,

1270
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:58,719
Speaker 1: you know what, I gotta go back, and we visited.

1271
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 1: I got comfortable and started doing Shakespeare. I did Raising

1272
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,720
Speaker 1: the Sun. Actually I did a top Dog Underdog a

1273
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. I did The whipping Man and

1274
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 1: another another drama show. So I've done over the years,

1275
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 1: various roles. And Billy Flynn for me on Broadway was

1276
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 1: just me, you know, going up there and and auditioning,

1277
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 1: and it prepared me for that moment. I said, damn,

1278
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm be on Broadway. And so if

1279
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:27,760
Speaker 1: that's something you want to continue or do you want

1280
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 1: to progress your way? What? What is more? What do

1281
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 1: you want to do more? You want to be a

1282
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:34,760
Speaker 1: coach at a power five NFL or do you want

1283
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:38,120
Speaker 1: to come to Hollywood? That is an excellent question. I

1284
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:43,640
Speaker 1: think now is the time where the entertainment side is

1285
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 1: going to be a little different. You know, it may

1286
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 1: be not in front of the camera, might be producing it. Okay,

1287
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 1: the experiences that I'm experiencing now as a coach, that's

1288
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:58,559
Speaker 1: a show like oh yeah, no, no, there's a lot

1289
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:00,600
Speaker 1: of drama in that. You know what I'm saying. So

1290
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:04,280
Speaker 1: you know, I'm taking notes and I'm doing some things

1291
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 1: that hey, I'm going to benefit you know. My acting

1292
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 1: side will be something I'm want to write in terms

1293
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 1: of my experience as a coach and my experience jumping

1294
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:15,759
Speaker 1: into this. It's it's it all plays off of one another.

1295
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:19,720
Speaker 1: So you know, I feel like, hey, you know, if, if,

1296
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 1: and when that coaching gig is up, I go to

1297
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 1: a Power five for five years and say, hey, thank

1298
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 1: you very much, I'm done. Come out to Hollywood and

1299
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 1: come drink with you. You know, write a couple of scripts,

1300
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 1: make some movies. But then Oscar and me, Grammy Tony

1301
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 1: be the first person when the he got is that? Is? That?

1302
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 1: Is that word? I know what he got is right? No,

1303
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 1: I don't know that you know what he got is right, no,

1304
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 1: mem okay, yeah, he got as a heisman, right, Yeah,

1305
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:48,880
Speaker 1: you definitely gonna be over. You're definite gonna be that one. Well,

1306
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:50,600
Speaker 1: I mean there's only been a handful of women that

1307
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:53,800
Speaker 1: the people that want to immigrant. Yeah, yeah, I think

1308
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:59,760
Speaker 1: Viola by uh no, no, I think Viola might be over. Yeah,

1309
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 1: I know comment is close. Yeah, I think he has

1310
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:07,760
Speaker 1: to do a Tony Yeah. He was on Broadway right

1311
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 1: on the show this past year. Yeah, well, let's go back.

1312
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 1: I want to go back to the super Bowl because

1313
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:17,679
Speaker 1: that was I mean in Atlanta, and you're so close,

1314
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 1: so so so so close, you're a yard away. And

1315
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 1: when you're so young like you guys, were you just

1316
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 1: like us afore goli you we've been back next year

1317
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 1: or the yeah after, but I mean and you never

1318
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 1: really got back again. And what do you remember about

1319
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 1: that moment? I remember as we were driving down to

1320
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 1: go score right the final drive, and Steve Steve did

1321
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:47,800
Speaker 1: this thing. He uh pushed down Kevin Carter Doro that strike.

1322
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 1: I leave to Kevin Dyson to pick up the first

1323
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 1: dawn call the time out, and I'm dead tired. I'm like,

1324
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 1: because we didn't have that week off. You went straight

1325
01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 1: from the championship game to there, and we was we

1326
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 1: were all out there there, right, and I said, this

1327
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 1: is why I ran all those hundreds, this is why

1328
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 1: I trained the way I do for this moment right here.

1329
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 1: And you couldn't tell me that we were not going

1330
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 1: to score, going over time to find a way to

1331
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:17,439
Speaker 1: win this ball, right, And when Dison stretches out trying

1332
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:21,439
Speaker 1: to get that ball over the goal line, immediately coffetti

1333
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 1: is on in the air and it's purpose what gold

1334
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 1: and blue, blue and gold, and the stage comes out

1335
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 1: and I'm standing there like damn, like it really over shit,

1336
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 1: like damn, like, h no, I can't. It's gotta be

1337
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 1: more time. It's gotta be more time. And I just

1338
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 1: walked over to the sideline. I sat there and I

1339
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 1: just watched it macause I didn't want to leave the field.

1340
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:46,000
Speaker 1: Right there was still more out there, and I said,

1341
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:48,160
Speaker 1: all right, you know what, You're supposed to go to

1342
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl the following day. And I told Jeff Fisher,

1343
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:53,760
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, man, I don't think I'm

1344
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:55,560
Speaker 1: gonna go. I think I'm gonna take a couple of

1345
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:58,200
Speaker 1: days off and I'm on that hill. Tomorrow we start working.

1346
01:15:58,280 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 1: I got, I got, I got to get back there

1347
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:03,360
Speaker 1: because you've been there. You know what it's like, You've

1348
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 1: been on the winter side of right. So I said,

1349
01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:07,760
Speaker 1: I've got to see that confetti in the sky and

1350
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:10,760
Speaker 1: dedicated the whole year to train and to put my

1351
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:13,240
Speaker 1: best year together to get his back, and of course

1352
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:20,280
Speaker 1: y'all ruined it. But you know, I think about that

1353
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 1: now as a coach, like, maybe God has put me

1354
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 1: back into the game in this capacity. So I may

1355
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:31,720
Speaker 1: not fisk across their goal line, but these young men will.

1356
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a championship. Maybe it's the goal line of

1357
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 1: their realizing who they are, the potential, getting that great education,

1358
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:44,439
Speaker 1: changing their lives, saving their lives, whatever that is. And

1359
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 1: that's the gratification I can get, you know what I'm saying.

1360
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 1: And that's that's kind of how I see this opportunity

1361
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 1: because I didn't ask for it, wasn't searching for it.

1362
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:56,320
Speaker 1: But when I search searched my heart in the moment

1363
01:16:56,600 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 1: and really meditating on that four months, it felt like

1364
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 1: this was the move I had to make. Right. Do

1365
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 1: you think the running back has lost value? Yes, and

1366
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 1: it's unfortunate but in order to win a championship, you

1367
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 1: need a running game. How now, isn't that ironic? You

1368
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:17,280
Speaker 1: know everybody talks about, oh, you can just put anybody

1369
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 1: in at the running back was really ask Josh Allen

1370
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:23,760
Speaker 1: that at the Buffalo, right, Yeah, we see what that

1371
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 1: looked like. You know the teams that are now when

1372
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 1: it has some some sort of running I think the

1373
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 1: days of the one running back that can do everything

1374
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 1: is done. Derrick Henry is that last one that can

1375
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 1: total it in thirty and thirty out and still be dominant.

1376
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 1: But it's very hit or miss with the rest of

1377
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:47,599
Speaker 1: these guys. One day, the hot nest of the cold

1378
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:50,600
Speaker 1: is not consistent. And I don't think I think the

1379
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 1: game has changed now THEE RPO it's quarterback centric. You know,

1380
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:59,640
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks do win everything. So yeah, towards the end

1381
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 1: of my care where there was more, you know, two

1382
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 1: running back system. Now we're seeing three and four running back.

1383
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 1: A specialist. You know, guys that can run routes, guys

1384
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:09,880
Speaker 1: that can run the outside and another one that can

1385
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:11,760
Speaker 1: run the inside zone, one that can run pin pool,

1386
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 1: another one that can run fly sweet. I mean, there's

1387
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:16,880
Speaker 1: not that one guy that can do it at all,

1388
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:20,000
Speaker 1: And I think that's that's a travesty because there was

1389
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 1: a point in time when the running back was revered, right,

1390
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:25,080
Speaker 1: you know, much like a quarterback. You know you had

1391
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:27,840
Speaker 1: t D right, you know what I'm saying. Without TV,

1392
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 1: I don't think that win champiship, no championshipapp Do you

1393
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 1: think we'll ever see another running back win the MVP.

1394
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:37,240
Speaker 1: I think it'll happen. It can happen again once you

1395
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 1: probably he'll have to break the record to do it.

1396
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 1: It would have to be because because the quarterbacks and

1397
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 1: throw it for five thousand and forty touchdowns every year,

1398
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 1: So he's gonna have to be somebody. You have to

1399
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 1: be twenty or close to it. Yes, I mean we

1400
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:51,560
Speaker 1: we've seen Justin Jefferson almost get two thousand and he

1401
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:53,599
Speaker 1: may not win it. No, he's not going. So it's

1402
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 1: it's it's definitely a quarterback award. That's this point I'm

1403
01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 1: looking at. So who would you say is the best

1404
01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 1: running back? And tightened But it's kind of like Oilers

1405
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:04,720
Speaker 1: Titans because they kind of like, let's say we'll mix

1406
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 1: it all together. Got you Chris, Chris Johnson, d Henry,

1407
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 1: Earl Campbell, for me, this is just me personally speaking.

1408
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:17,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say I'm gonna take me out of there, quicks,

1409
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 1: I'm always gonna say me. But Earl Campbell EC especially

1410
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:25,800
Speaker 1: all right, I mean he can do it all. He

1411
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 1: can do what Chris Johnson did and Derek Canby did

1412
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 1: and then something or he would obliterate linebackers. Oh yeah,

1413
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 1: he run run ran, So I'm gonna say EC But

1414
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 1: damn Derek man, he's so special. Like he had he

1415
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:43,120
Speaker 1: didn't get hurt two years ago. I think he breaked

1416
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 1: the record. Oh without a doubt. He had nine hundred

1417
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:50,160
Speaker 1: yards eight games in. Yeah, and he was on pace

1418
01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:55,640
Speaker 1: and he's gonna do it because he was durable. But

1419
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 1: but Chris Johnson, god man, he lets be crazy. He's outside.

1420
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 1: Barry Shandon is the greatest home run hitter in the

1421
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:06,160
Speaker 1: NFL period. Speed was ridiculous. Yeah, it was. It was.

1422
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 1: It was crazy with Let's go back to that that

1423
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 1: one matchup because that's the matchup and we had some

1424
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 1: great battles we played. You guys, people don't realize this

1425
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 1: that what you and I we used to be in

1426
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:19,599
Speaker 1: the same division. It was the Ravens twice a year

1427
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 1: twice a year US Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Cleveland Jacksonville in Jacksonville

1428
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 1: in the same division. But everybody wants to talk about

1429
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 1: that divisional game in which we came there. You guys

1430
01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 1: were you guys were the number one seed in division.

1431
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 1: We had beat you guys, and we're the first team

1432
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 1: to beat you at Yeah, we're the first team, and

1433
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:46,280
Speaker 1: so we felt very confident going back. What do you

1434
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:51,080
Speaker 1: remember about that game? Everything? I remember everything. I remember

1435
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 1: something that came out in the article about me laying

1436
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 1: down be being scared of ready, right, yeah, and that

1437
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:02,200
Speaker 1: robbed me the wrong way. That brother be the one.

1438
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:05,760
Speaker 1: I was quiet the entire entire week. Okay, and I

1439
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 1: said okay, and I knew, and I think everybody knew,

1440
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 1: whoever won that game was going to superwar. Your body

1441
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:15,639
Speaker 1: was going. I think we might have had the best

1442
01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 1: scoring defense. Number one, y'all were number two. We had

1443
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:21,479
Speaker 1: the best scoring defense, y'all had the best totally total defense. Yeah,

1444
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:24,879
Speaker 1: that's that's what it was. Yes, So I just remember

1445
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:28,559
Speaker 1: going into that game. You know how typically come out

1446
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:30,320
Speaker 1: during warm up and said, hey, dog, how are you doing?

1447
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:34,720
Speaker 1: Bla bla The ap pounding love that tone was set. Yeah,

1448
01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 1: the tone was set. It was gonna be a war,

1449
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:43,760
Speaker 1: and I just remember it was back and forth and

1450
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 1: it was bloody, It was nasty, it was painful. You scored,

1451
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 1: we wanted we scored, and it was nipping. The team

1452
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:55,680
Speaker 1: that made that mistake was gonna lose. We kicked, try

1453
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:59,160
Speaker 1: to kick a field goal, got blocked, went back, took

1454
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:03,400
Speaker 1: all the wind out because to drive on that defense,

1455
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:06,920
Speaker 1: it was it was difficult with now now now that

1456
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:09,920
Speaker 1: y'all were like a python. Yeah, once you got the bike,

1457
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:12,760
Speaker 1: rap was done on a matter of time. Yeah, and

1458
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 1: without without a scooping score a pick six yeah yeah.

1459
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:19,920
Speaker 1: And the thing about that defense, but they were creating

1460
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 1: turn over. Yeah, grit pool hammer, Sarah Goose is big

1461
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:32,599
Speaker 1: behind ye hit the quarterback without the ball? What's the flag? Nothing?

1462
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:35,320
Speaker 1: I'm looking at you. What you've done since you retired

1463
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:37,760
Speaker 1: from the NFL. You got a match of degree and

1464
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 1: landscape architect from Ohio State, earned an NBA from Northwestern

1465
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:44,400
Speaker 1: appeared on Broadway, owns a restaurant eighty George Barr and

1466
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:47,719
Speaker 1: Grill twenty seven owns a landscaping company and a wealth

1467
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 1: management firm. Talk classes at Ohio State. Fisher college and business?

1468
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:57,200
Speaker 1: Why do so much? Did you feel like your life

1469
01:22:57,280 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 1: wasn't fulfilled? Did you feel like you had not checked

1470
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:02,040
Speaker 1: the left boxes? No, I had nothing to do with

1471
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:05,840
Speaker 1: checking boxes. Landscape architecture. That was my major in school, okay,

1472
01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 1: And I was going to get my degree, and I

1473
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 1: was challenged by the fact that somebody said, hey, you're

1474
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:13,160
Speaker 1: not gonna do nothing with it. I said, why should

1475
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 1: build a business? And I started my own landscape architecture

1476
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:17,800
Speaker 1: firm in two thousand and three, okay, and I wanted

1477
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:22,040
Speaker 1: to grow that business. Uh. So I went through some hiccups,

1478
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:27,280
Speaker 1: didn't quite understand the nomenclature associated with business spreadsheets and

1479
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:30,080
Speaker 1: this and that. So I said, okay, then we'll get

1480
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:34,679
Speaker 1: my masters in business to understand. I understand why. I'm

1481
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:37,320
Speaker 1: not going to allow somebody to tell me anymore or

1482
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 1: or or uh, what's what am I looking for? To

1483
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:44,479
Speaker 1: sit over my shoulder and explain to me what's going on?

1484
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:46,000
Speaker 1: I want to look at the numbers and know what

1485
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 1: I'm looking at and articulate that right educated way. So

1486
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 1: I went. I decided to get my masters in business,

1487
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:55,680
Speaker 1: and while I was there, I figured that, hey, I

1488
01:23:55,800 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 1: probably can't grow my landscape architecture business to a billion dollars.

1489
01:24:00,680 --> 01:24:03,200
Speaker 1: So I got a lot out of that. And then

1490
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:07,280
Speaker 1: I said, okay, what can I do that I can,

1491
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:12,920
Speaker 1: you know, have flexible time, you you use my network

1492
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:15,760
Speaker 1: of people that I know build a business is going

1493
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 1: to have a recurring revenue model. But also I'm passionate

1494
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 1: about helping others. And it was wealth management. I said,

1495
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:26,400
Speaker 1: there was a situation that happened to me early in

1496
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:30,519
Speaker 1: my career where a financial advisors almost all all my money.

1497
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:34,800
Speaker 1: And I said, well, I can help young athletes with

1498
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:39,759
Speaker 1: financial literacy and give them a plan of success financially speaking.

1499
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:42,920
Speaker 1: So I got my series seven, my sixty six license

1500
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:47,080
Speaker 1: about around the same time I was studying the Going Chicago.

1501
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:49,640
Speaker 1: So I had this idea that I was going to

1502
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 1: work with my three ES and my three es or Entertainment,

1503
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:57,000
Speaker 1: Entrepreneurship and education okay, and to teach. So that's what

1504
01:24:57,320 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 1: I was operating in was to act and tell stories,

1505
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:06,720
Speaker 1: build my business, and then to teach this to young

1506
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:10,160
Speaker 1: people so they can be set up for success financially speaking.

1507
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:13,240
Speaker 1: That's when I was teaching the house the NFL inby

1508
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:14,880
Speaker 1: did you in to speak at the rookis and posts

1509
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:17,080
Speaker 1: I have over the years, I have, and I talked

1510
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:22,200
Speaker 1: about various things and talked about my transition leaving the game.

1511
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:25,680
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, when they had that Cleveland at that

1512
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:30,080
Speaker 1: spot there, I can't think of the name, but I've

1513
01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:34,280
Speaker 1: gone there. And what's crazy is everything that I've done

1514
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:37,519
Speaker 1: up until this point has prepared me to become a

1515
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:41,599
Speaker 1: head coach. You know, as an actor, the ability to listen,

1516
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:45,280
Speaker 1: listening actively is what you do as an actor, and

1517
01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 1: then you respond. So to listen to these kids, to

1518
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:52,280
Speaker 1: truly listen to them and what their issues are and

1519
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:55,760
Speaker 1: to figure out what they really want and how to

1520
01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:58,640
Speaker 1: get them to from point A to point B. You

1521
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 1: have to listen. You have to listen to what others

1522
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:03,519
Speaker 1: are saying about the university and stuff to figure out

1523
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 1: where the problems are. So that was one, and then

1524
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:09,600
Speaker 1: to be build the ability to teach teach life, to

1525
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:13,360
Speaker 1: teach life lessons, to teach whatever that is in the moment,

1526
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:17,200
Speaker 1: and to be organic as a teacher says helped me.

1527
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 1: So all of that preparation, what I've done over the

1528
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:26,840
Speaker 1: years wasn't about checking boxes. It was preparing me, right,

1529
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 1: you know, for what I'm doing Now I thought you

1530
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:35,600
Speaker 1: were on a path to be the next rock athlete

1531
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:41,840
Speaker 1: turned actor. Why why did why don't you? Did you

1532
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 1: not devote the time because a lot of I've made

1533
01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 1: a lot of the opportunity to getting an opportunity, whether

1534
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 1: the opportunity was at the time, what transpired that all

1535
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:51,040
Speaker 1: of a sudden you know you're because it seemed like

1536
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:52,960
Speaker 1: you were a lot of movies. I'm looking here, You're

1537
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:54,960
Speaker 1: the Best Man Holiday with Take did Mill Longs and

1538
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 1: not Later? Regina hold more Chance, Nut Game, LANs started Rock,

1539
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:02,040
Speaker 1: you were, you were in some movies, you know, taking

1540
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:04,640
Speaker 1: a hiatus, taking you go to get back at it.

1541
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:06,680
Speaker 1: But you say, but it might not be in front

1542
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:08,560
Speaker 1: of the camera. It might be behind the camera. I

1543
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:11,559
Speaker 1: mean as a production company, right and producing stories? Right?

1544
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:14,600
Speaker 1: You know again, my son's at usc Film School, and

1545
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:17,439
Speaker 1: I can get it. I can always jump into his movies.

1546
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:20,840
Speaker 1: You do you like telling stories? I do? I really

1547
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 1: do this the art of telling it And to get

1548
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:26,160
Speaker 1: the point across you, as a storyteller, you're trying to

1549
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:30,280
Speaker 1: do something to the character that you're playing across from.

1550
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:32,639
Speaker 1: You're trying to do something to invoke and in motion

1551
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 1: into the audience. You're trying to get a message across, right,

1552
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:39,120
Speaker 1: and that may be so that that the ability to

1553
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:42,439
Speaker 1: do that, I think it's very powerful in terms of

1554
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:46,400
Speaker 1: telling a story and getting to influence people to do something,

1555
01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:50,800
Speaker 1: to call a call of action. Yeah. Married, you've been

1556
01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 1: married a long time, yes, sir, married detaj former member

1557
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:57,880
Speaker 1: f WV. How have you ever, how have you been

1558
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:01,879
Speaker 1: able to keep she's a public figure, your public figure obviously?

1559
01:28:02,280 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 1: How have you been able to keep your marriage so private? Who?

1560
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:11,320
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was private? Keep well, you know what,

1561
01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:14,599
Speaker 1: I try to keep my name out the streets, right,

1562
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:17,439
Speaker 1: you know, and lo and behold, I haven't been very

1563
01:28:17,479 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 1: good at that time. I can, I can. I can

1564
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:23,240
Speaker 1: admit that, you know what I'm saying, Like, Hey, I'm

1565
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:27,519
Speaker 1: no angel. She knows that we've had our wars, We've

1566
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:30,840
Speaker 1: had our moments, but that's what marriage is. And I've

1567
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:32,680
Speaker 1: learned to grow through that. I mean, she she is

1568
01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 1: a woman of grace and compassion and forgiveness and and

1569
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:41,120
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. And she has my back, you know.

1570
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:44,840
Speaker 1: And I've learned over the years as I've evolved and

1571
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:50,240
Speaker 1: I've grown that in order for me to be res

1572
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:52,760
Speaker 1: my full potential. I've got to be a hunter, you know,

1573
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 1: with her all the time. And and that's and that's

1574
01:28:56,240 --> 01:28:59,479
Speaker 1: what makes it work is communication for us and just

1575
01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:02,599
Speaker 1: being very very honest with one another and where we are.

1576
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:05,200
Speaker 1: And I think that's helped us go from one stage

1577
01:29:05,240 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 1: to the next stage. So give me some of your keys.

1578
01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:10,960
Speaker 1: What's some of your biggest keys? Getting married and staying married?

1579
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:18,680
Speaker 1: Getting married, it's understanding they're the right time to get married. No,

1580
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:23,040
Speaker 1: I mean you could always say yeah, you know, thirty

1581
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:27,280
Speaker 1: five and a half. No, forty now, you're never ready.

1582
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:32,400
Speaker 1: I think it's a commitment. And I'll say this, there's

1583
01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:34,599
Speaker 1: no formula. You can read all the books you want.

1584
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:38,519
Speaker 1: Each person is uniquely different, So you have to take

1585
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 1: the time to get to know that person, the time

1586
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 1: to be willing to go through all the highs and lows.

1587
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:49,320
Speaker 1: And love is an action word, right, You have to

1588
01:29:49,479 --> 01:29:52,479
Speaker 1: choose to love. That's not a now, it's an action.

1589
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:54,880
Speaker 1: So you have to wake up saying hey, I'm going

1590
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:57,960
Speaker 1: to love my wife today. That means I'm going to

1591
01:29:58,080 --> 01:30:02,360
Speaker 1: make the right decisions. That means whatever she says you do,

1592
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:06,240
Speaker 1: you're gonna do and say yes. Right if she says Hey, baby,

1593
01:30:06,280 --> 01:30:08,200
Speaker 1: do I look good in this dress? And she's bloated.

1594
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:12,639
Speaker 1: You say, yes, baby, you look good. That's what that's

1595
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:16,599
Speaker 1: learn So you know it's it's all of that and uh,

1596
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:20,560
Speaker 1: but she's my best friend. We still laugh together. We

1597
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:23,880
Speaker 1: I make I make it a point to prioritize my

1598
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:26,920
Speaker 1: time for her all that I'm doing. I do this

1599
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:29,519
Speaker 1: every single Sunday. I didn't do it this week, but

1600
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:32,760
Speaker 1: out here doing my thing. But I listened to a

1601
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:36,720
Speaker 1: sermon at night, or the game might be on, and

1602
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:39,600
Speaker 1: I'm plan out my entire week. And I'll start with

1603
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:42,000
Speaker 1: me first, and I always start with my private time

1604
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:45,960
Speaker 1: in the morning, my meditation. Then I'll go into my workout.

1605
01:30:46,240 --> 01:30:48,800
Speaker 1: I'll swim out of weights, whatever that requires me to

1606
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:51,960
Speaker 1: do that week, yoga, whatever. And then I go down

1607
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:53,920
Speaker 1: to the next phase of my life, that's being a

1608
01:30:54,120 --> 01:30:58,000
Speaker 1: husband and father. Date night. I schedule that in. I'm

1609
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:01,840
Speaker 1: playing that in that time. So I intentional about the

1610
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:04,559
Speaker 1: time that I spend with my wife, whether it's fifteen minutes,

1611
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:07,840
Speaker 1: an hour, four days. I may plan a trip three

1612
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:10,160
Speaker 1: or four months down the line, but I try to

1613
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:13,639
Speaker 1: create those moments with her because she's busy, she's still traveling,

1614
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:16,200
Speaker 1: she's still singing, still doing her things. She's doing a

1615
01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:19,400
Speaker 1: reality show now and Atlanta she was down. So we

1616
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:24,439
Speaker 1: have to be intentional about how we're spending our time together. Right.

1617
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:27,719
Speaker 1: I read somewhere says that when you get married, I'm married,

1618
01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:30,360
Speaker 1: the man must date his wife every single day. Yes,

1619
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:36,600
Speaker 1: every day. You gotta have patience. And it's it's it is.

1620
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:39,200
Speaker 1: It is work. Yes, it is works. So it's working.

1621
01:31:39,240 --> 01:31:42,720
Speaker 1: So it's it is Anything worthwhile is uphill. Right, you

1622
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:44,360
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I always say that, and I

1623
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:47,719
Speaker 1: always believe that. And it has its ups and downs.

1624
01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:50,040
Speaker 1: It can get monotonous. You gotta do things to keep

1625
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:53,000
Speaker 1: it fresh, right. You know what I'm saying. It's like, okay,

1626
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:55,080
Speaker 1: you want to be a redhead or a blonde tonight, Right,

1627
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:04,360
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Hey, that's him talking. You know I'm talking.

1628
01:32:04,439 --> 01:32:08,120
Speaker 1: You know, you know. So fitness, You're almost fifty and

1629
01:32:08,240 --> 01:32:11,559
Speaker 1: you're you're still in great shape. That's something that you little. Hey,

1630
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:15,760
Speaker 1: you listen, you are the dog you are. You are

1631
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:20,080
Speaker 1: killing it man the fashion game, great man. Your your

1632
01:32:20,200 --> 01:32:24,439
Speaker 1: Twitter or your Instagram. You're still throwing up iron a

1633
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:30,600
Speaker 1: spot four fifteen and you you d M and say, bro,

1634
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:35,400
Speaker 1: get spot you did? I said, listen, I gotta find

1635
01:32:35,439 --> 01:32:38,240
Speaker 1: out who your stylist is. Though, Dog, I'm like, yo, Shannon,

1636
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:40,880
Speaker 1: you gotta be looking right. You got that's what you

1637
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:43,240
Speaker 1: wore to night? Yeah? Yeah, you got a lot of

1638
01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:45,640
Speaker 1: what it was traded. Man, This's what it got me

1639
01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:49,519
Speaker 1: in trouble too. Yeah. So what do you so? What

1640
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:51,720
Speaker 1: what are your fitness routine? What? What do you eat?

1641
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:53,840
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we can't eat like we ate when

1642
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:55,920
Speaker 1: we played because we don't work out like we worked

1643
01:32:55,960 --> 01:32:58,599
Speaker 1: out when we played. Yeah, and I can't. I can't

1644
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:01,880
Speaker 1: run like I used to, so my knee is issues.

1645
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:04,519
Speaker 1: So I swim Okay, I try to swim twice a week. Okay.

1646
01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:08,240
Speaker 1: My goal has been, you know, trying to get them

1647
01:33:08,240 --> 01:33:13,040
Speaker 1: at least a mile in of the breaststroke, backstroke, I'm

1648
01:33:13,080 --> 01:33:17,280
Speaker 1: doing the dolphin kicks well. So so that getting that

1649
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:19,400
Speaker 1: car deal basclar and for me is good. And now

1650
01:33:19,560 --> 01:33:21,439
Speaker 1: that we have a weight room at a Tennessee State,

1651
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:24,960
Speaker 1: get my weight coaching me were planning, you know, condition day.

1652
01:33:25,560 --> 01:33:27,479
Speaker 1: So I try to hit the iron. I just got

1653
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:29,599
Speaker 1: my shoulder done, so I'm trying to get back into

1654
01:33:30,200 --> 01:33:33,240
Speaker 1: build my shoulder back up. So I do that, try

1655
01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:35,679
Speaker 1: to lift at least four days a week. My rest

1656
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:40,600
Speaker 1: day consists of yoga, stretching, and massage. Right, so my

1657
01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:44,439
Speaker 1: eating is sporadic. So I still trying to plan. Eat

1658
01:33:44,479 --> 01:33:46,800
Speaker 1: every three hours. Yeah them coaches, coaches don't have they

1659
01:33:46,840 --> 01:33:49,160
Speaker 1: have don't have a regular schedule, so you eat the

1660
01:33:49,240 --> 01:33:51,960
Speaker 1: odd times. It is frustrating because you know, I don't

1661
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:54,160
Speaker 1: want to eat the oreos, but you know I'm starving.

1662
01:33:54,439 --> 01:33:59,040
Speaker 1: Eat them. We got to get down. Yeah, I appreciate it.

1663
01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:01,920
Speaker 1: I appreciate you start by the club having a conversation.

1664
01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:04,960
Speaker 1: Best of luck this year and everything you do moving forward.

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01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:07,080
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Man, thank you, George, lady and gentlemen.

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01:34:08,120 --> 01:34:12,120
Speaker 1: All my life and running all my life, sacrifice, hustle

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01:34:12,160 --> 01:34:15,400
Speaker 1: back to price, Want a slice? Got the broller, dice

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01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:17,720
Speaker 1: to swap all my life. I've been grinding in all

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01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:22,160
Speaker 1: my life. Us all my life and running all my life, sacrifice,

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01:34:22,479 --> 01:34:25,679
Speaker 1: hustle bad to Price, want a slice? Got the brother

1671
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:28,160
Speaker 1: dice to swallow all my life. I've been grinding in

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01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:28,800
Speaker 1: all my life.