1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio. 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here coming up on 3 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: this Thursday edition. Of course, we're gonna have the usuals 4 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: we've got in case you missed it, We've got the leftovers, 5 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: We've got an award we're gonna hand out, and Albert 6 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: Breer's gonna stop by. We're also gonna talk about the 7 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: very latest on the dysfunctional teams in the NFL. The 8 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns just can't get it right and the New 9 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 1: York Jets just don't have anybody we'll explain. We're also 10 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: going to talk about the fallout from the decision to 11 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: snub Bill Belichick as a first ballot member of the 12 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Dion Sanders is laying the law down, 13 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: and Lebron's final time in Cleveland and things got a 14 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: little testy. It's all yours coming up next here, Two 15 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 1: Pros and a cup of Joe on a Thursday, Fox 16 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: Sports Radio, and away we go on a Thursday morning, 17 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: Two Pros and a cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio. 18 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: But it's gonna sound different, No LeVar Arrington, It's just 19 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: Brady Quinn and I. That's taking you all the way 20 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: up until nine am Eastern time, six o'clock Pacific. You 21 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: can listen to this show on the iHeartRadio app. You 22 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: can find us on hundreds of affiliates all across the country. 23 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,119 Speaker 1: If you're listening on the podcast, we appreciate you doing 24 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: so because we will be taking you all the way 25 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: up here live until nine am Eastern time, six o'clock Pacific. 26 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: And let me just tell you this right now, the 27 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: big game is in Santa Clair this year. But with 28 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: the original Louisiana Hot sage, you can make it Louisiana 29 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: Hot with its three simple ingredients of Pepper's, vinegar and salt. 30 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: Instead of touchdown dances, you'll be busting out bourbon street boogies. 31 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: That's Louisiana Hot. Buy you some so no sticks, just 32 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: gonna be you and I big Boy, going all the 33 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,119 Speaker 1: way up for the next three hours. 34 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: Going back to the beginning, back on our Sunday night show. 35 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 1: That's right, baby, that's right by the way, we're coming 36 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: up on ten years. That's right, yeah, ten years. How's 37 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: it feel? Huh um? 38 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 2: Not good? 39 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, not good. That's just what you needed in your 40 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:57,639 Speaker 1: life at that time, exactly. And awful. 41 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 2: This is just what I hope for. 42 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, if I can. 43 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 2: Only take people behind the scenes to the the voice 44 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 2: now you left me last night, Yeah, that'd be great. 45 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: A fairly accurate, fairly act. Yeah you guys, uh, guys 46 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 1: did take a pounding. I'm still seeing it all over 47 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 1: the Weather Channel a big weather nerd. 48 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 2: Well, well, our family went to uh because we don't 49 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 2: have school again today and there probably won't be school 50 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 2: again tomorrow. So trust me, it's it's it's been quite 51 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 2: the quite the past week so far. I'm all for 52 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 2: snow days, by the way. For the kids, it's just 53 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 2: more about the adults in the room, you know, their 54 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 2: ability to work, their ability to adapt with the ever 55 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 2: changing you know, challenge of of e learning with kids 56 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 2: or keeping them home for school and all that stuff. 57 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 2: So that's more of the issue with it. You loved 58 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 2: it as a kid, like and you love seeing your 59 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: kids enjoy it, but then you're also like, this is 60 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,119 Speaker 2: they got to get back to school at some point. 61 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, LeVar was telling me yesterday, because we didn't get 62 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: snow days growing up in southern California, Like if it 63 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: rained you were in a classroom when you were playing, 64 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: like you know, you. 65 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 2: Guys probably did you grow up when you got those 66 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 2: days where like you just didn't feel like going to 67 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 2: school because you were soft? Is that how it is 68 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 2: out there? 69 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 1: No, because I always I always just showed up. But 70 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: that's me. But again, that's why you've always told me, 71 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: you know, build different. 72 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 2: You know, how many people do you think take me seriously? 73 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 2: Would actually say that? Like I'm actually like, that's what 74 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 2: I believe. 75 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: You know what, I just rolled it like, let's I 76 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: just I let everybody believe whatever they want to believe. 77 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,519 Speaker 1: And either they get offended or they think it's we're 78 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: telling the truth, and that's fine. You just you got 79 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: to sort that out on your own. 80 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:33,959 Speaker 2: But yeah, we're just trying to have a little fun 81 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 2: with it, Okay. I mean, in reality, does the West 82 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 2: Coast struggle to beat basically anywhere you know, east of 83 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 2: east of the Mississippi? Yeah, probably probably football, if that's 84 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 2: an indication. 85 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: But that's accurate. 86 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 2: No, all, but you have a chance to overcome that 87 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 2: with the Seattle Seahawks. Now, granted I wouldn't necessarily count 88 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 2: NFL teams, as you know, a great representation of that 89 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: specific region of the country. College is probably closer to that, 90 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 2: but I digress. You still a chance this, you know, 91 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 2: one week basically almost from now. 92 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, listen for anybody who's dealing with the snow day. 93 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: You know, best of luck. It's rough out there, but 94 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: it could be worse. You could be the Cleveland Browns. 95 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: Because the Cleveland Browns have identified their new coach, Todd 96 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: Monkin is going to be the guy. A former offensive 97 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: coordinator of the Baltimore Ravens, he was named head coach 98 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: by the Cleveland Browns and in the process, apparently they 99 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: pissed off Jim Schwartz, their defensive coordinator, who was under 100 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: the impression that he would be getting the gig. So 101 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: Jim Schwartz, who's been fantastic there for the past couple 102 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 1: of years as their defensive coordinator, Jim Schwartz to went 103 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: around and just told people, I'm out. I will not 104 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: be here. I know I'm under contract, but I'm gonna 105 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: go ahead and take my take my talents elsewhere and 106 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: it's not gonna be here with the Cleveland Browns any longer. 107 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 1: So even when they do find their guy, after all 108 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: of this and the personality tests and the mumbo jumbo 109 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: that they rolled out that they needed to have to 110 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: identify their next head coach. Even when they finally do 111 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: come to a conclusion and get the answer, they in 112 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: the process burn the bridge of the other coach who 113 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: did a tremendous job for them. They chased away the 114 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 1: first one in Stefanski, and then they chased away the 115 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: second one in Jim Schwartz. It's amazing. 116 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's magic getting drafted there and grown up as 117 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 2: a kid, you rooting for the Browns. Granted, you know 118 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 2: again new ownership, different front office, But my god, it's 119 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 2: tough to put into perspective because typically the offseason is 120 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 2: what makes you the most excited as a Browns fan, 121 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 2: because the season doesn't go well. And then now you 122 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 2: watch how this all transpires and people wonder why the 123 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 2: Browns have a hard time getting over the hump and 124 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 2: finding any consistency to being a winning team. This is 125 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 2: part of it. We talked about this earlier in the week. 126 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 2: You know, Jimmy Haslam, who obviously has been in that'll 127 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 2: be involved in the hiring firing process. You know Andrew 128 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 2: Berry and his you know brain trust that he is 129 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 2: creating the front office. It's a joke it's a joke. 130 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 2: I mean, they are one of those teams that you know, 131 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 2: other people laugh about free agents try not to go to, 132 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 2: so they have to handsomely overpay them in order to 133 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 2: go there. I mean, that's that's the god's honest truth. 134 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 2: And it's unfortunate because this is a team that I 135 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 2: still root for a poll for. But when you watch 136 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 2: the interview process and and you know, LeVar tries to 137 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 2: defend you know, the personality tests and the questionnaire and 138 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 2: running an essay, you know, in whatever way he wants to, 139 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 2: when it has no applicability to football. I mean, and 140 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 2: by the way, if you were doing it different and 141 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,799 Speaker 2: you were getting great results, maybe other people would follow suit. 142 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 2: But I'm not sure if anyone's noticed this. No one's 143 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 2: following how the Browns do anything, Okay, not how they 144 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,919 Speaker 2: signed to Sean Watson that contract, not how they tanked 145 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 2: and when one in fifteen oh sixteen to rebuild to 146 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 2: build back up, like, no one's following what they've been doing. 147 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 2: And they're surely incapable of keeping the one thing that 148 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 2: they had as their cornerstone, their defense from this past year. 149 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 2: And they can't keep the defensive coordinator so, you know, 150 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 2: hearing some of the reports about Jim Schwartz maybe being 151 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 2: the hold up for why some of the candidates wanted 152 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 2: to pull their name out. They didn't want to be 153 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 2: stuck with the defensive coordinator who's not their guy. And 154 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 2: you can understand that, and I'm sure Andrew Barry played 155 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: a role too, and being with a general manager who 156 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 2: clearly has the owner's ear. But ultimately, when it comes 157 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 2: down to it, I have no idea why Cleveland thought 158 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 2: they were going to be able to hire someone other 159 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 2: than Jim Schwartz. As things became a let's just call 160 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 2: them difficult to figure out who that next head coach 161 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 2: is going to be. And I told you yesterday i'd 162 00:07:56,280 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 2: heard they wanted a offensive mine. It was, you know, 163 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 2: reported to me is like the next Sean McVay, And 164 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 2: that's why you did. Ski was talked to and some 165 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 2: of the others who interviewed for it. But clearly that 166 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 2: did end up happening, and then they kind of feels 167 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 2: like they settle on Todd Munkin, who's got no head 168 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 2: coaching experience at the NFL level. So this is this 169 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 2: is one of those moments where I think is as 170 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 2: a Browns fan, you know, part of the alumni. You 171 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 2: look at it and you just go, all right, hope 172 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 2: it works out. You know, we don't know until they 173 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 2: start playing games. Maybe Todd muckt it's taken them this 174 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 2: long to get that head coaching job, but you know, 175 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 2: maybe it'll be like Kurt Signetty, maybe he can turn 176 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 2: this thick around. 177 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're just not real good at that whole football thing. 178 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: I've found out, and I've learned that it's just they 179 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: can't They just can't get it right. Like the most 180 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:53,719 Speaker 1: important position in football is is the quarterback, and then 181 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: the relationship between the quarterback and the coach is also 182 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: paramount to success. It's why so many teams try and 183 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: have that so you can build around those two for 184 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: as long as you can. And even when they did 185 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: start to finally get that, they opted to move on 186 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: from Baker Mayfield and get another one in who just 187 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: hasn't played all that much and was gonna miss the 188 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: first eleven games anyways, Like, okay, well, then we found 189 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: another one that he could work with, that he worked 190 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: with at a high level to get them to the postseason. 191 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: And they just didn't bring back Joe Flacco. They decided, yeah, 192 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: that's just not the way we're going to go. And 193 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: then they draft two quarterbacks in the same draft class 194 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: and then trade away their starting quarterback without telling the coach. 195 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: I just I don't none of it makes any sense. 196 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 1: And the only guy there that was still in the 197 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: building because Stefanski's gone, he couldn't wait to get the 198 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: f out of there. He's gone. He's in Atlanta. You know, 199 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: he had his introductory press conference. He's there. Everything's fine. 200 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: The one guy that was in the building that you 201 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 1: look at and go, well, at least there's some stability. 202 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 1: Like one side of the football was really really good. 203 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: Their defense was awesome, and they've drafted well, especially on 204 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: that side of the ball. Miles Garrett's going to be 205 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: the defensive player of the year. He was fantastic. Like, 206 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: there's a lot to like on that side of the ball, 207 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: and they screwed that one up too, Like, I just 208 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: I don't know how as a Browns fan you look 209 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: at this and go come on, man like, like, like, 210 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: how do you I remember when we were going to 211 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: do the graduate remote in Columbus for the Penn State 212 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: Ohio State game. We're going to the Graduate Hotel, where 213 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 1: by the way, Justin Cooper signed a copy of Liar 214 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: Liar VHS cassette is up there. 215 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 2: We asked for them to give it to us. 216 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's sitting up there at the Graduate. But 217 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: I remember being on the plane and next to me 218 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: on the plane was this Browns fan and he was 219 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: having a conversation with with another guy, and I think 220 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: at that point in the year, the Browns were actually 221 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: playing really well. And then the guy started, you know, 222 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: picking up just some small talk as we were getting 223 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: ready to land soon, and this Browns fan was like, yeah, 224 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: you know, things are going well. It's just yeah, I 225 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: don't know, man, Just like it was almost he was 226 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: waiting for a doom, Like he was just expecting that 227 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: it was going to fall apart, and whatever version of 228 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson you were getting at that time, it was 229 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: never going to pan out. And he was one hundred 230 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 1: percent correct. He like his instincts were one hundred percent 231 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: correct the entire time. And it feels like as a 232 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: Browns fan, that's just got to be the way you 233 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 1: go into every season. 234 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 2: It's why they're the best fan base in the league. 235 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 2: And I know there's others who will try to challenge that. 236 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 2: No one's been through what the Browns have been through, 237 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 2: and spare me the Lions, Spare me the Jets fans. 238 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 2: I feel like the Browns have been through worse all right. 239 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 2: In the Jets and Lions case, your team wasn't didn't 240 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 2: pick up and move overnight. Yeah okay, Like you didn't 241 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 2: lose your team back in the nineties, Like you didn't 242 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 2: lose them all together and have to come back as 243 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 2: an expansion team. 244 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 1: And then win a Super Bowl when they left. 245 00:11:55,920 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, pally, I mean multiple in that time, like the 246 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 2: Ravens have won multiple Super Bowls. The team that was 247 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 2: really the Browns that moved. So spare me Lions fans, 248 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 2: Jets fans, anyone else wants to throw their hat in 249 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 2: the ring for this category. Spare me your complaints. No 250 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 2: one's dealt with what the Browns fans have dealt with, 251 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 2: and trust me, Brown's players have dealt with. Okay, that 252 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 2: is an organization that I just I wish I had 253 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 2: the answers to fix it because the fans deserve it, 254 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 2: and I honestly some of the players, Miles Garrett, guys 255 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 2: like that, Joe Thomas deserved it, but it is It's 256 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 2: crazy to see how they can have to take this, 257 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:44,719 Speaker 2: you know, call it unique, call it their own proprietary 258 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 2: approach to how they're doing an interview process and end 259 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 2: up fumbling what was probably the best part of their 260 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 2: season and their team last year, in their defense and 261 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 2: their defense scored at Jimmy Schwartz. 262 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: Well, I'm telling you, I wonder how many did you 263 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: know any Browns fans who followed them to Baltimore and 264 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: just said, I can't trust that this is going to 265 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: be back. 266 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 2: I'm I personally did not. I mean, most people were stunned. 267 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 2: They didn't know how to react. They weren't in a 268 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 2: root for the Bengals, but usually the common denominator Ohio 269 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 2: is the root for Ohio State. So I actually think 270 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 2: that that, like that moment probably helped. I think the 271 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 2: lack of success from both the Bengals and the Browns 272 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 2: consistently has allowed Ohio State to elevate itself as far 273 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 2: as the state of Ohio to be a bigger deal 274 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 2: than both professionals franchise. That's my theory on that. 275 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: So Ohio State's one, and then you would say in 276 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: the state, Browns two Bengals three in that order. 277 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 2: No, I don't know. There's a fair amount of Bengals 278 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 2: fans too. I would say it's pretty evenly divided. I mean, obviously, 279 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 2: as you get further east in the state you get 280 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 2: some Pittsburgh fans. But I would say it's pretty evenly divided. 281 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 2: And I would maybe even lean a little bit towards 282 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 2: the Bagos because they've had more successive late you know, 283 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 2: as far as you know, Burrow get them to a 284 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 2: Super Bowl, So I would probably probably lean to fifty 285 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 2: fifty split. 286 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: Well, good news is you don't have to watch a 287 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: Browns game for a while, so at least at least 288 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: you don't have to go through that misery. 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Like 345 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 2: you see just the way high school games have changed, 346 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 2: junior high games have changed. It's like all primter shooting, 347 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 2: you know. And then you see the euro step evolve too. 348 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 2: I've seen kids at like the fourth grade level using 349 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 2: a euro step and I just remember being young thinking 350 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 2: I would have been called for that, for traveling for 351 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 2: that every single time. 352 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: That's correct. 353 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing how like the game has evolved to 354 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 2: that point where now it's just kind of accepted and 355 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 2: they're like, yeah, no, that's just called a eurostep. And 356 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 2: I try to coach like the kids we teach for 357 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,239 Speaker 2: like that, that probably is traveling. But you know, if 358 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 2: you guys want to do that, because the reffel let 359 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 2: it happened, so be it, go to it. 360 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: One of the guys, I think gene Sterotur, one of 361 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: the rules analysts not Blandino. 362 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 2: I think. 363 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: I think it's gene Sterotur used to call college basketball games. 364 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 2: I think too. 365 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love to find out from one of 366 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: those guys. Hey, anybody gonna call traveling? 367 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 2: Like? 368 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: Is that ever gonna get called again? Because it's so 369 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: blatant And I don't know if it's like holding. I 370 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: don't know what the comp is in the NFL, like 371 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: it's holding. You know, there's been a lot of conversation 372 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:56,959 Speaker 1: about holding that. You know, so many guys are holding 373 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: now and they're getting away with it. Is that just 374 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: the comp that players are allowed to take an extra step? 375 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: Because I was always taught three steps and it's traveling. 376 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: Apparently not Apparently that's that's not what it is now. 377 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: And I don't know where that changed or if that 378 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: was put into the rule book, but i'd love to 379 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: know why that's not called more. 380 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 2: It's funny you said that, because I remember being taught 381 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 2: it was a step and a half and like that 382 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 2: half foot you know you're you're leaving, you know that step, 383 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 2: So it's not really like a full step. It's more 384 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 2: of a step and a half like you're because you're 385 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 2: jumping to shoot or lay up or what have you 386 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 2: to or to jump up the pass or something. But 387 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 2: that's all you had. And so it's funny to even 388 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 2: hear three because it's like I remember not even ever 389 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 2: getting a complete two feet, you know, because otherwise if 390 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 2: you were, you know, stationary after that it was traveling. 391 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 2: But anyway, I didn't mean to go off on a 392 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 2: tangent something that I noticed and seeing that shot last 393 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 2: night and I was just like, yeah, that didn't exist 394 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 2: like fifteen twenty years ago. 395 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 1: By the way, Listen, I've been dabbling because you know, 396 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 1: we got to find you know, it's like finding stuff 397 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: to do, you know now, because you know the NFL 398 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 1: is going to be wrapping up here quick. College football 399 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: is over, so you're looking around for stuff to do. 400 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:07,439 Speaker 1: So I was watching the Notre Dame Virginia game that 401 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: went into double overtime, yeah, the other night, and damn man, 402 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 1: like a lot a lot of opportunities there, Like there's 403 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: there's a lot of it's just it's just there. Gotta 404 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 1: be gotta be a little frustrating. I think his Shrewsbury's son. 405 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: Does he play he plays on the team, Yeah, I believe, yeah, 406 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, he had an opportunity to hit 407 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: a half quarter that just came up short. So, you know, 408 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: just dabbling in that world again and realizing the other 409 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: thing is the pivot foot. Apparently you can just kind 410 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 1: of move that thing around, you know, if you want to, 411 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 1: Like that's that's something that can be done. Like I 412 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: was always remember the pivot foot drill. You don't lose 413 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 1: your pivot like they'll try and knock you off. That, Yeah, 414 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: doesn't exist anymore. 415 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 2: Apparently there's a bit of grace. Yeah, you're about a 416 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 2: foot of movement and grace in that in that regard. 417 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little a little bizarre. But here's what 418 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 1: else is bizarre. H the outrage, I mean, it has 419 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: been full throttle. You've heard from Donald Trump to Tom 420 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: Brady to Jimmy Johnson, everybody speaking out in defense of 421 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick. And you've got Bill Pollion who was quoted 422 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 1: as saying that, you know, he was told from somebody 423 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: who was there, somebody who was you know, I guess 424 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: apparently one of the auditors of the selection process confirmed 425 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: to him that he did, in fact vote for Bill 426 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 1: Belichick to get into the Hall of Fame. This whole thing, 427 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 1: I don't. 428 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 2: Know man, how could it be that complicated. 429 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 1: The whole thing. Whoever thought this was a good idea, 430 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: the ten or eleven voters who thought, you know what, 431 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: this is our chance. We didn't like how he was 432 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: treating us in the media, but this is our get back. 433 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: Whoever thought this was a good idea, It's going to backfire. 434 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you've got the Pro Ball Hall of Fame 435 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: releasing a statement saying, you know, anybody that doesn't do 436 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: it the right way and so many words, we're going 437 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: to look into it and they could potentially lose their 438 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: right to vote. This thing completely backfired because everybody is 439 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: in unison. This is a disaster and it makes the 440 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: entire thing look awful. 441 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 2: So the more I've read and the more I've tried 442 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 2: to take a step back and again, my career was 443 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 2: influenced from college through the NFL heavily by a lot 444 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 2: of assistants who came from New England. So I have 445 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 2: an incredible amount of respect for Bill Belijack, and from 446 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 2: the times I've met him, he was extremely kind. You know, 447 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 2: didn't talk to him a ton to get to know 448 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 2: him like that, never played for him, but obviously having 449 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 2: a ton of respect for watching what he was able 450 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 2: to accomplish playing in an era, playing on teams that 451 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 2: played against him, and how difficult it was to win 452 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 2: those games. And just even like I'll never forget, they 453 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 2: came to Denver in two thousand than an eleven, I believe, 454 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 2: and they did something that like it took us a 455 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 2: while to catch on, and I'm not even so sure 456 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 2: that like John Fox was a head coach in Denver, 457 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 2: caught onto what they were doing. But they had the 458 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 2: ball like I don't know, the one or two yard line, 459 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 2: and I think it was like a first in goal 460 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 2: because they might have had a game to get down 461 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 2: to that point. But they basically they didn't kneel, but 462 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 2: they almost ran a quarterback sneak to not get in 463 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 2: the end zone. And the reason is they wanted to 464 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 2: try to keep milking on, you know, time off the clock, 465 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 2: and it was it was just one of those many 466 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 2: things that they would do that you didn't always see 467 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 2: a lot of other teams do. Usually, you get on 468 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 2: the one yard line, you're gonna punch it in, like 469 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 2: you're gonna secure that you get the score. But they 470 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 2: were so confident in their ability to get it from 471 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 2: where they were at that they were gonna try to 472 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 2: milk a little little little more time, a little extra 473 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 2: time off the clock, and there was always just little 474 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 2: things that they did that made playing them that much 475 00:22:55,000 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 2: more difficult. So that being said, you know, some people 476 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 2: have written about the process itself, and tell me if 477 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 2: you buy this. One of the pieces I saw reference 478 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 2: that there's some other guys who might fall into that 479 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 2: senior category that would never have the opportunity to get 480 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 2: voted back up basically into the hall if not for 481 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 2: this year, if they fell into that category because of 482 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 2: the standard to get in, and that they know Belichick 483 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 2: will get in, so because he's got some baggage because 484 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 2: he's so recently out of coaching and technically still coaching 485 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 2: at least in college ranks, that there was a thought 486 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 2: of let's put in someone else who's been waiting and 487 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,479 Speaker 2: may fall through the cracks and in this process somewhere 488 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,719 Speaker 2: else as opposed to Bill who we know will get in. 489 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 2: Do you buy it? No? 490 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: If that's the case, then the entire thing needs to 491 00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:00,719 Speaker 1: be redone like this, So basically your making a mess 492 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: to try and clean up your other mess like well. 493 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 2: To that point, though, then the other comment was, you know, 494 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 2: why are we viewing Bill Belichick any different? Given spygig, 495 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 2: given to flake Gate, Why are we viewing him any 496 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 2: different than we would another player who's had those sorts 497 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 2: of troubles. And I brought up Tera Owens, who I 498 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 2: think if you look at statistically a lot of people 499 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,360 Speaker 2: who played against them, maybe they wouldn't say a first 500 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 2: ballt Hall of Famer, but they surely would have made 501 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 2: him wait as long as he did. Is that fair 502 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 2: to say? 503 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, of course. 504 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 2: And there's some people who feel like maybe there's something 505 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 2: there with that, is that because of many of the 506 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 2: other coaches who go into the Hall of Fame, they 507 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 2: are held to a really, really high standard, they don't 508 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 2: carry that same sort of baggage that maybe Belichick is 509 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 2: caring despite the fact that he's had the greatest resume 510 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 2: we've ever seen. Do you buy that theory? 511 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 1: No, none of this, Like this is the problem. You 512 00:24:55,680 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: can't you can't correct a wrong decision by just continuing 513 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 1: to doing continuing to do the same things the wrong way. 514 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of like Hall of Fame voters 515 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: in baseball who won't vote guys in first ballot because 516 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: other guys didn't get him first bout Well he didn't 517 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: get him first bout then we can't. So why do 518 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 1: you continue down the road of the wrong decision just 519 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: to make it make sense after the fact, Like you 520 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: can't go back and reverse engineer awful decisions if you 521 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: didn't vote some guy in, because for whatever your reasons were, 522 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: don't now use not voting Belichick in as the reason 523 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: to finally vote that. Like none of that makes any sense. 524 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: Like this is cut and dry. Are you a Hall 525 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: of Famer? Yes? 526 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 2: Do you? 527 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: Just have you done things in the NFL that nobody's 528 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: ever done before? Yes, by a mile. We're gonna make 529 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: him way a hear. And that's the part that pisses 530 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: me off the most, is like the whole thing is ridiculous, 531 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: But the part that pisses me off the most is 532 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: this whole treating him like he's a child mentality that's 533 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 1: going on. Like I heard from Rob Parker ist because 534 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: Rob Parker has had it out for Belichick for years. 535 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: So Rob called, you know, he was upset because you know, like. 536 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 2: He's a cheater. 537 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: Stop it doesn't deserve it. 538 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 2: Quick before you go into this. So last night when 539 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 2: I tested my my unit. Obviously we're traveling as a family. 540 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 2: I had all my kids listening to their show, and 541 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 2: one of my kids goes stop it. 542 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: Secondly, the thing about Rob, and I'll give Rob credit, 543 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: Rob's not Rob's a whole thought on it is he 544 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: shouldn't get in at all. Now, if I was doing 545 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 1: the show with Rob, I would like to point out 546 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: the fact that Rob has a Hall of Fame vote 547 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: for Baseball, and I can guarantee you he's voted in 548 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: some cheaters. Guaranteed he has. But that that's a whole 549 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 1: nother separate conversation, right, But at least Rob's consistent with 550 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: it and saying, look, they shouldn't be in at all. 551 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,679 Speaker 1: The part that bothers me the most is this thought that, well, no, 552 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 1: he did all these things wrong. We're gonna make him 553 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 1: wait a year. Ooh oh, so he's not gonna get in. 554 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: Oh your way to stand your ground. This is like 555 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 1: when my four year old doesn't want to go to 556 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: bed and I try and tell him, like, hey, you 557 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: got to go to bed now, and he knows he 558 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: has to. So his way of putting his foot down 559 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: is literally stomping up the stairs and saying I'm gonna 560 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 1: stop though, It's like, okay, but you're still gonna go 561 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 1: to bed. So you're still gonna vote him in, just 562 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: not this year because you want to make it like 563 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: the whole thing is ridiculous. He's not a child, Get 564 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: over it. He was better at it than anybody else. 565 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 1: Whatever your gripes were about to Flate Gate or spygate, 566 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: how many years ago was that he served his time. 567 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: He served his punishment. And if we're gonna do this 568 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 1: and go back and really punish guys, you're gonna have 569 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: to look long and hard. I think Tyke Hobbs a 570 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. Last I checked, he might have killed somebody, literally, 571 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 1: might have murdered somebody, not even like that's for real. 572 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: So just the whole thing, they made a mockery of 573 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: a really special thing. And if that many people are 574 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: on one side, that might tell you maybe you butchered 575 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 1: this from the jump. 576 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 2: He's obviously the greatest of all time, at least in 577 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 2: my opinion, but I think a lot of the other 578 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 2: people share that he was innovative with everything he was doing. 579 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 2: I think also to look at the fact that he 580 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 2: had control over the roster, you know of obviously you 581 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 2: know the coaching at angle of things, but he should 582 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 2: be a first bout Hall of Famer, and because he's not, 583 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 2: he now calls into question the process, but also the 584 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 2: people who are involved. And I think that's the really 585 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 2: scary thing moving forward for those people is there's enough 586 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 2: former players and former coaches who believe that there's not 587 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 2: enough of them voting on who should be in. And look, 588 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 2: I'm not here to say that like, hey, you didn't play, 589 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 2: so you shouldn't have a vote type of thing, because 590 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 2: there's a lot of respectful people who are who do vote, 591 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 2: who have been around the game for a long time, 592 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 2: who do know the game. And I'm not one of 593 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 2: those people too who thinks that you can't know the 594 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 2: game unless you coach that or played it. That being said, 595 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 2: I do think there has to be a much much 596 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 2: greater number of people who played and coached who are 597 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 2: part of the voting process, because as it currently stands, 598 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 2: there's just not And and I'll just say this, as 599 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 2: I was reading a Seth Wickersham article about you know, 600 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 2: what exactly had transpired when Goodell was calling around to 601 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 2: understand the impact of Spygate. You know, Seth Wickersham wrote, 602 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 2: you know, a little column that discussed Mike Shanahan, who 603 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 2: had just you know, come off a couple of Super Bowls, 604 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 2: and his comment was like, I wish I would have 605 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 2: thought of that. And the whole premise was Belichick right 606 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 2: wrong or indifferent with take this approach to spygate, because 607 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 2: he talked about and Mike Shannon talked about in this 608 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 2: article from Seth Wigersham that you know, everyone's trying to 609 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 2: steal signals, Peyton Manning's one the best at doing it right. 610 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 2: Once he gets it, it's over because he knows what 611 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 2: you're doing out there, and he's gonna be able to 612 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 2: dissect it. And one of the things he said was 613 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 2: part of the brazen attitude that Belichick had in stealing 614 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 2: signals was tied to that it had never really been 615 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 2: done before, so they didn't know the punishment. So because 616 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 2: of that, like it allowed him to basically say, all right, well, 617 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 2: since this hasn't been done before, there's really no punishment 618 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 2: for that, so it's worth trying because we feel like 619 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 2: it gives us that big of an advantage and no 620 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 2: one's been able to do it, which is innovative kind 621 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 2: of in and of itself. And by the way, happens 622 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 2: all the time in any industry. Right, if there's not 623 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 2: a black and white rule for something, someone's going to 624 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 2: try to push the limits to force you to make 625 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 2: one right or take them the court and then figure 626 00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 2: and figure it out there. So at least there's precedent. 627 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 2: So there's a lot of people who I think, even 628 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 2: for those who were going up against Belichick in that era, 629 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 2: who maybe felt like Man, I wish I would have 630 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 2: thought of that, And so it wasn't so much as 631 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 2: they were taken away the opportunity for us to win 632 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 2: because they were cheating. It was more of like, man, 633 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 2: there were just always one step ahead of us, and 634 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 2: I think he's being penalized for that, and enough people 635 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 2: not giving him credit for that and instead just blaming 636 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 2: him and hating him for what he basically did before 637 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 2: everyone else. 638 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: If there was a play in the playoffs years ago 639 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: when they were playing the Ravens where they did something, 640 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: they were trailing and they did something, I forget the 641 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: exact details of it, but it turned out that rule 642 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: got changed afterwards because they realized, well, yeah, that doesn't 643 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: make sense, you can't do that. But it wasn't illegal 644 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 1: when they did it, and John Harbond the Ravens pointed 645 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: that out and ultimately the next offseason it got changed. 646 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,080 Speaker 1: Like the new kickoff rule, what's it? What is it 647 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: where you get the ball at the if there's a penalty, 648 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: you just kick the ball out of bounds and the 649 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: other teams are going to get it a fifteen yard penalty. 650 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: You like you called the game that I think had 651 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: this happen. It's a loophole. It's a loopholes. 652 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 2: If you get a penalty on the point after try, 653 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 2: you could then apply it on the kickoff and it actually, 654 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 2: you know, plays to the advantage of the team that 655 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 2: actually was pedalized on the point after try. It's it's 656 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 2: the weirdest thing. It's a loophole in it. I've tried 657 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 2: to explain the deal, like this should be changed, but 658 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 2: no one seems to change. 659 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: But like if somebody takes advantage of that, are they cheating? No, 660 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: it's a loophole. It's not illegal at the time. 661 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 2: A bunch of teams have done it. When it's happened, 662 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,959 Speaker 2: it's it's just very infrequent that they actually have a 663 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 2: penalty that happens on a point after try. 664 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just so that's That's one thing I would 665 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 1: say is, look, I'll give Rob credit. Rob Parker at 666 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: least he's like they shouldn't get it at all. But 667 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: these geeks who are saying, well, yeah he's a Hall 668 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: of Famer, but no, no, he can't get in the 669 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: first year, congratulations, you got your way. But unfortunately you're 670 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: going to get outed, You're going to get exposed, and 671 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: there's going to be people that are calling for you 672 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 1: to lose the opportunity to vote, and that I think 673 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: would mean a lot to those people, and it could 674 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: go bye bye based on the fiasco. 675 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 2: Let me just give this clear this straight. Rob Parker 676 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 2: doesn't think Bill Belichick should be in. 677 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no, absolutely not. He's a cheater. 678 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: He's a cheater. Yeah, he's a cheater. But again, Rob's 679 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: Rob's got a Hall of Fame vote for baseball, and 680 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: so I would love to go down the list of 681 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: guys that he's voted in that may or may not 682 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: have been on the gas. I don't, I don't. I 683 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 1: would love to find out his stance on Barry Bonds. 684 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: I would love to find out his stance on Pete 685 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:48,280 Speaker 1: Rose he's just that's that. But at least he's consistent, 686 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: you know, he's like all the way through. By the way, 687 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: same for Tom Brady, says Tom Brady shouldn't get in 688 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: like just you know, he wants nothing to do with 689 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: with anything Patriots related when it comes to the to 690 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,959 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. So that's that's where he stands. 691 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: But I do have it on good authority Andy Furman, 692 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 1: who is a friend of Bill Belichick. You know, Belichick 693 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: did reach back out to Andy yesterday to thank him 694 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: for Andy having his back. So you know, at least 695 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: at least there's some people here with connections to Belichick 696 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: who are sticking up for him. And then you got 697 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 1: Rob Parker who's out there just bearing the guy. You know. 698 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: So we got quite the family here at FSR. It's fun. 699 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,760 Speaker 2: We do, we do. That's you know, it's all across 700 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:32,919 Speaker 2: the board, very diverse group. 701 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,399 Speaker 1: Yes, it is definitely. By the way, here's a game 702 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: day tip. Order pizza before the QB shouts the first 703 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: hut and if you're hungry, the big New Yorker's got 704 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 1: those giant foldable slices and right now it's just ten bucks. 705 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 1: The biggest pizza for the biggest games, only at Pizza Hut. 706 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,320 Speaker 1: All right, So coming up next here it is another 707 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,439 Speaker 1: edition of In Case you missed It, and it's yours 708 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 1: right here on FSR. 709 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,319 Speaker 3: Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and 710 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,360 Speaker 3: a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Arrington and 711 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 3: Jonas Knox weekdays at six am East Darren three am 712 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,239 Speaker 3: Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 713 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: It is Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here 714 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio. Oh yeah, Mark, I get Yeah, 715 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 1: Hey Mark, back in the day on the South Side 716 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,439 Speaker 1: of Chicago, this was your jam. 717 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 2: Huh absolutely, I say Mark likes these old school jams. 718 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 2: I like it. 719 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 5: See my sister was a great influence on her music, 720 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 5: and I just it's crazy. 721 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,880 Speaker 1: See you outside Comisky Park back in the day, waiting 722 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: to watch the White Sox lose by fifteen. 723 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 2: Well probably not when Mark was there. He was probably 724 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:36,799 Speaker 2: there for Big Hurt. 725 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,959 Speaker 5: But I had Dick Allen, you know, I was watching him. 726 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 5: And then there were double headers back in my day. 727 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 728 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 1: Well, if you can't get people to go to the 729 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,800 Speaker 1: first one, you probably can't get him to go to 730 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 1: the second one. Either bad days were crazy people to 731 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: go to fights. Wait, I love whether there was a 732 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: shooting at a White Sox game a few years ago 733 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 1: and nobody was ever really able to confirm whether or 734 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: not it was an actual shooting or somebody's gun just 735 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: went off in their pocket and then the question was like, 736 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 1: how'd that get brought in again? So yeah, whatever, you know, 737 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: this is what it is. So those are your White 738 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: Sox there, mark all right, It is two pros and 739 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 1: a cup of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio. By 740 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 1: the way, coming up top of next hour, we do 741 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,320 Speaker 1: have something that's probably gonna make one fan base in 742 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 1: the NFL feel better about things. That'll be yours right 743 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 1: here on FSR before we get to another edition of 744 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 1: In case you missed it, They'll be sure to check 745 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 1: out our brand new YouTube channel for the show. Just 746 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,320 Speaker 1: searched two Pros FSR on YouTube again. That's two pros FSR. 747 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 1: We sure to hit the subscribe button. Don't stop there, 748 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 1: hit the thumbs up icon of comment away. 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Good thing the guys are here to 754 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 3: bring you in case you missed. 755 00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,360 Speaker 1: It, And for that we turned it over to our 756 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,719 Speaker 1: executive pretty here, the one and only Patrick sweeka Patty spur. 757 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 2: Yo, what a Brady? 758 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 1: What of Jonas? 759 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:14,399 Speaker 6: What's the sheriff apparently is I'm not doing it, Brady, 760 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 6: I'm not doing it. 761 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 1: Let's do so bad though I shush, maybe maybe not, 762 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,320 Speaker 1: we'll see. But that's it. 763 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 6: Time for in case you miss it though, it's yeah, boy, uh, 764 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 6: this time for in case you missed it. 765 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 1: I just want to I want to shoot, gotta get 766 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: it in. 767 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:30,719 Speaker 2: I have to get it in. 768 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,759 Speaker 1: I have to get it in. It's just funny, at 769 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 1: least funny to me. 770 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,400 Speaker 6: But hey, so we're talking about baseball, well talking with 771 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 6: Mighty on baseball, Well, I actually got a baseball related 772 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:41,920 Speaker 6: and case you missed it for this, it's not the 773 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 6: White Sox, but it is Dodgers. Well kind of former 774 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 6: Dodger now so Clayton Kershaw, we know him. Future Hall 775 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 6: of Famer, probably one of the goats of ever being 776 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 6: a Dodger. 777 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:53,359 Speaker 1: I'm a Dodger fan. 778 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:58,439 Speaker 6: Uh, He's reportedly nearing a deal with NBC to serve 779 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,840 Speaker 6: as a studio analyst for the network's MLB coverage. He 780 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 6: has been a top target and he's gonna appear on 781 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 6: select events in the upcoming year. 782 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 1: I mean cool, he's uh, there's a little bit, a 783 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,240 Speaker 1: little bit of a red ass early on in his career. 784 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 1: I think I think he's gonna be playing for Team 785 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 1: USA and the World Baseball Classic if I'm not mistaken, 786 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 1: which is coming up. I think at about a month 787 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: or so. 788 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:25,240 Speaker 2: So is that retired? 789 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's kind of weird. So he's not gonna 790 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 1: play Major League Baseball anymore, but I think he's part 791 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:35,320 Speaker 1: of the Team USA WBC team, which, by way, I 792 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,360 Speaker 1: don't know how you feel about the World Baseball Classic. 793 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 1: It's awesome, Like it's. 794 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,440 Speaker 2: Really I really don't have many feelings for it. 795 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,240 Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's too bad. You're a cold hearted 796 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:45,279 Speaker 1: man when it comes to that. 797 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 2: Just at baseball as a sport that I always loved playing, 798 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 2: it wasn't as much fun to watch. 799 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,319 Speaker 1: Sorry, damn, what else we got? 800 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 2: Patty? 801 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: All right, so we're gonna pivot over. 802 00:38:55,480 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 6: To the NBA here, so oh great, Well, well this 803 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,000 Speaker 6: is not really shocking by any means of this, but 804 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,359 Speaker 6: Jannis ante Tokumpo has been in the news recently. In fact, 805 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 6: Sean Sharania actually tweeted yesterday that Jannis is absolutely looking 806 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 6: for a new home and is seeking to be dealt 807 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,399 Speaker 6: before the trade deadline for the NBA. So he's now 808 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 6: up for grabs, and apparently he does have some serious 809 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 6: suitors right now. He's got the Miami Heat, the Minnesota Timberwolves, 810 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 6: New York Knicks, and Golden State Warriors are your top 811 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:27,880 Speaker 6: four serious contenders? 812 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,279 Speaker 1: All right, dude, Like I'm just was. 813 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 2: This the worst kept secret? By the way, Like he's 814 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 2: kind of been feeling this way for a while. 815 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,000 Speaker 1: When's the last time we went an entire season without 816 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 1: a disgruntled NBA superstar who just had to leave, like 817 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:43,840 Speaker 1: he's got to get out of there, can't be a 818 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 1: part of it anymore. And I told, like I mentioned this, 819 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 1: I think the past two three years we've been at 820 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: Radio Row, we've had to discuss a superstar getting traded, 821 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 1: Like I think I think the Luca trade happened last 822 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 1: year and that was bonkers. Nobody could figure out what, 823 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,360 Speaker 1: you know, what Dallas was thinking and yeah, but the 824 00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,279 Speaker 1: year the year before that, there was one. It just 825 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 1: seems like every year there's a trade that we've got 826 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,800 Speaker 1: to discuss because some some superstar is pissed off about things. 827 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,319 Speaker 1: It's just but that's your sport, Brady, that's you know, 828 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 1: you're a big NBA guy. That's that's the sport you 829 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:18,040 Speaker 1: grew up and you love. 830 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,400 Speaker 2: I will take all the content we can get. I 831 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 2: do think it's a little unfortunate because look, they built 832 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,239 Speaker 2: something special there in Milwaukee. They won a championship. But 833 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,680 Speaker 2: you know everything, everything good, has to come to an 834 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:31,080 Speaker 2: end at. 835 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,880 Speaker 1: Some point, right, Yeah, well, hey, you still got the Packers, 836 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 1: you still got the Brewers. You're just not gonna have you, 837 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,279 Speaker 1: honest anymore. So it's unfortunate, but that's the way of 838 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,400 Speaker 1: the land when it comes to the Milwaukee Bucks these 839 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:45,800 Speaker 1: days