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Speaker 1: Uh found something interesting yesterday? Well let me before I
Speaker 1: get to that. We'll get to We got thirty visits, yes,
Speaker 1: Dallas thirty visits. Get Dallas day. Yeah, busy week here
Speaker 1: Valley as we speak, Dallas Day. Yeah. Out there at
Speaker 1: at and T Stadium. I'll get into one of the
Speaker 1: thirty visits. What we're talking about. Names are pretty much
Speaker 1: out there, so we'll go through a few of those names.
Speaker 1: Dallas Day not so much, but we'll speculate on maybe
Speaker 1: a guy or two found something really interesting. Yesterday, Eric
Speaker 1: da Costa talking about mock drafts. You see that, by
Speaker 1: any chance I didn't, Eric da Costa, who's the player
Speaker 1: personnel guy for the Baltimore Raven GM and waiting, GM
Speaker 1: and waiting. He keeps turning down jobs, waiting for Ozzie
Speaker 1: to go away, and Ozzie's not going to go away
Speaker 1: anytime soon. I don't think Ozzie's a great man. By
Speaker 1: the way, Erica Costa talking about mock drafts, saying that
Speaker 1: he goes through all of them, he studies all the
Speaker 1: mock drafts. He's interesting and I just kind of wonder
Speaker 1: as we get closer to this and we've started doing
Speaker 1: some of our own mock drafts at Dallas Cowboys dot Com,
Speaker 1: you've done quite a few. Every Monday, I believe you
Speaker 1: say you do a mock drafts. Dave hasn't a story
Speaker 1: going up every week about mock drafts. True. Is it
Speaker 1: funny to hear an executive of a team that drafts
Speaker 1: very well or has a history of drafting very well,
Speaker 1: talk about how much they pour into mock drafts, how
Speaker 1: much they study them, how much they care about the opinion.
Speaker 1: My I've always was one of those guys. It was like,
Speaker 1: you know, okay, you know, maybe the first one, maybe
Speaker 1: the last one, everything in between. I wasn't so much
Speaker 1: caring about. Yeah. And it's interesting because and I talked
Speaker 1: to you know, my buddies in the league. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: tell me all the time, like, oh yeah, we look
Speaker 1: at probably five or six mock drafts. People we trust,
Speaker 1: you know, you being one of them. And you know,
Speaker 1: there's certain people around the league that have a feel
Speaker 1: for it. But they understand that, you know, they know
Speaker 1: what they're talking about. They talk to people, they know
Speaker 1: where these teams are kind of leaning, and so, you know,
Speaker 1: I think it helps them prepare who's going to go
Speaker 1: in the top five, you know, where where does the
Speaker 1: general public feeling on where this guy is going to go?
Speaker 1: And it helps them prepare for you know, who could
Speaker 1: be available for them, who's not. It's not like they
Speaker 1: take this as gospel or they use mock draft to
Speaker 1: help them determine who they're going to take, but it
Speaker 1: helps them prepare in terms of, you know, where certain
Speaker 1: people are leaning towards a certain player, going yeah, Eric,
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting though, I mean, he admitted it.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's like, you know why he goes I pour
Speaker 1: through those Maybe the Ravens are such good drafters because
Speaker 1: they'd leave no stone unturned, you know. I mean that's fair.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know it makes sense to me. Sure
Speaker 1: you don't take it as gospel, but if the Ravens
Speaker 1: are picking six, like, how much time do they really
Speaker 1: have to or care about what the cowboys need or think?
Speaker 1: You know, well, that's what their pro guys are doing
Speaker 1: though well, and but the pro guys are the pro
Speaker 1: guys should be on top of what the rave what
Speaker 1: the cowboys. I get that, but I mean every resource helps,
Speaker 1: you know, especially I'm not busting on it. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying I found it, really did it did a did
Speaker 1: A club executive would stand up there in front of
Speaker 1: the media and say, hey, I enjoy reading the mock draft,
Speaker 1: And honestly, I get dejected some Sunday nights when I'm
Speaker 1: sitting there like you know, I have to do a
Speaker 1: mock draft another one, and because you get beat down
Speaker 1: by the fact that the fans think that you're against
Speaker 1: their team. Well, I think it's just not a lot
Speaker 1: changes for me, you know, doing one every single week.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, I feel thank God the fact
Speaker 1: that Dane does it. I have a newfound respect for
Speaker 1: that because I had to do one for our draft
Speaker 1: preview that's coming out next week, and I wanted to
Speaker 1: tear my hair out. It's awful. Like it's hard enough
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what you think the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: gonna do, but then you're like, all right, well if
Speaker 1: they do this, and that means that this and this
Speaker 1: guy's gonna fall wait all of a sudden, like I've
Speaker 1: got Joey Bosa at twelve. Yeah the guy. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the worst. But when I think about that, how I
Speaker 1: know for a fact certain teams that look at my
Speaker 1: mock draft. That's when I'm like, okay, you know what,
Speaker 1: you know, I need to put a lot of focus
Speaker 1: on this and make sure it's the best I could
Speaker 1: possibly make it. So the fact that I know is
Speaker 1: that some NFL teams look at these mock drafts that
Speaker 1: gives me all the motivation I need to make sure.
Speaker 1: You know, I put everything I have into a mock
Speaker 1: draft every week. Yeah, you give it some thought, and yeah,
Speaker 1: not just because okay I had this is the best
Speaker 1: defensive tackle here, I had the best defensive end, or
Speaker 1: had the best running back. You try and give it
Speaker 1: to some thought where some team needs and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Maybe even focusing on what's going on at free agency. Well,
Speaker 1: that's the thing everything free free agency, it is just
Speaker 1: for fun. It's just you know, looking at possibilities. Really,
Speaker 1: a mock draft before free agency doesn't make much sense
Speaker 1: after free agency. Start doing these mocks. You know, now
Speaker 1: we're less than three weeks away from the draft. All
Speaker 1: of a sudden, these mock drafts a lot more serious.
Speaker 1: You know, you have a better, much better idea, um,
Speaker 1: but they're tough because it's a domino effect, you know.
Speaker 1: And you know, one surprise move in the top five
Speaker 1: could throw off the rust of your entire mock draft.
Speaker 1: So even not taking a quarterback, absolutely, yeah, that would
Speaker 1: be a total curveball day change. That is that the
Speaker 1: point in the draft where this and it's funny to
Speaker 1: say this though, but at the second pick, this draft
Speaker 1: can go a whole nother direction. It's really the quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: The quarterbacks every year kind of change things, and it'll
Speaker 1: be the same this year. Will we see a quarterback
Speaker 1: at two? And then if we okay, say we say
Speaker 1: Curson Wentz at two, where's Jared goff end up San
Speaker 1: Francisco at seven? Philadelphia? A? Yeah, exactly. He can't rule
Speaker 1: anything out. I mean, could he followed to fifteen with
Speaker 1: the Rams? Maybe? Will we see some trades, you know,
Speaker 1: with the A team looking to get that quarterback? Do
Speaker 1: you guys think there'll just be one move going up?
Speaker 1: Do you think there'll just be one big move somebody
Speaker 1: making a Tommy Dimitroff in Atlanta made a Zi moved
Speaker 1: to Cleveland spot? You know, do you do you see
Speaker 1: somebody making a move like that and only making one
Speaker 1: of them? Who? Who knows? Man? And it probably depends
Speaker 1: on I mean, everybody's sitting here thinking the quarterback that
Speaker 1: they want's not going to be there after two, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden he is, yeah, and we
Speaker 1: already kind of think the Chargers don't want to make
Speaker 1: that pick. Who the hell knows what happened? Better chance
Speaker 1: of going up for a quarterback or if Tunsil were
Speaker 1: to slide. I think I'm always going to say quarterback
Speaker 1: because it's such an important posis. Has anybody mocked Tounsel
Speaker 1: out of the top four? No, not, not that I've
Speaker 1: ever seen. It's hard to see him. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: the best player in this draft, so it's hard to
Speaker 1: see him getting past Tennessee. And then seeing about the
Speaker 1: Williams kid though from the Jets, we kind of thought
Speaker 1: the same thing, right, you're absolutely right. Yeah, he fell
Speaker 1: out a six last year and I never would have
Speaker 1: thought he would have fallen to that point. But I
Speaker 1: think the teams in the top five last year were
Speaker 1: so programmed to think Leonard Williams is probably going to
Speaker 1: be gone that maybe through the mocks. Yeah, well that's
Speaker 1: part of that fascinating Yeah. Oakland at four, Yeah, we all,
Speaker 1: that's Amara Cooper, you know, that's that's who. Yeah, Williams,
Speaker 1: could he be there maybe, but probably not. So you know,
Speaker 1: Cooper's our guy, that's who we're taking. The Redskins at five,
Speaker 1: Brandon Sheriff, same type of thing, you know, And they
Speaker 1: didn't deviate from their plan. They stuck with it. And
Speaker 1: then the Jets end up getting a steal it's number six,
Speaker 1: but could that happen this year? This is why the
Speaker 1: draft's amazing. You know, you can't rule anything out all
Speaker 1: these possibilities. What do the Cowboys need to prepare for
Speaker 1: it for? What do they what do they need to
Speaker 1: really prepare for? Since we're talking about it, we'll spockle,
Speaker 1: but I mean we'll do like the week about some
Speaker 1: hypothetically Yeah, the week of the week of the draft.
Speaker 1: My plan here for the show is to go in
Speaker 1: and do that mock that we've talked about with all
Speaker 1: our information in front of us day. We're gonna run it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna simulate it, We're gonna have some trade possibilities,
Speaker 1: we're gonna see who's on the board that I want
Speaker 1: to do. The week of the draft, we're gonna have
Speaker 1: a looks like we're gonna have two or three days
Speaker 1: before the draft to do some shows. So that's when
Speaker 1: my plan is to kind of put our mock draft
Speaker 1: together as well. I think there's two scenarios that they
Speaker 1: should be wise to prepare for. One would be that
Speaker 1: a quarterback that they really liked that they assume is
Speaker 1: going to Cleveland is there at four, he doesn't get
Speaker 1: picked by the Browns for whatever. Maybe the Browns pick
Speaker 1: wins instead of golf, or golf instead of wins, or
Speaker 1: they don't pick a quarterback at all. So only as
Speaker 1: something real quick. Any possibility that the first pick gets traded. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: when you talk about you know, ed right before we
Speaker 1: came on the show that Philadelphia at Tennessee, well, and
Speaker 1: Tennessee's apparently saying there's been an uptick and interest in
Speaker 1: that pick in the last you know, we might be saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: the water. I think there's a chance, but I still
Speaker 1: would be pretty surprised if just because the cost, I mean, Tennessee,
Speaker 1: could they take a discount maybe to move back? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, good Philadelphia, they don't have a second
Speaker 1: round pick, so you know, would they yeahb without if
Speaker 1: you're if you're if you're the new gym in Tennessee,
Speaker 1: does it look pretty shiny if somebody gives you next
Speaker 1: year's one. Well, if someone gives up next year's one,
Speaker 1: then absolutely, But is there a team willing to give
Speaker 1: up next year's one for Carson Wentz? I don't know.
Speaker 1: We might find that, okay, but you're saying, don't be
Speaker 1: prepared for that. I don't. I don't think we'll see
Speaker 1: a trade at number one. I don't. There's a possibility,
Speaker 1: but I think Tennessee is saying the exact right things
Speaker 1: they should be saying. Right Cleveland or Cleveland or San
Speaker 1: Diego going to be a bailer. I think both would
Speaker 1: love to be. I would say San Diego more so
Speaker 1: than Cleveland on it. I mean, even though I'm saying this,
Speaker 1: I just think it's it's too obvious that Cleveland needs
Speaker 1: to draft a quarterback for me to believe they're not
Speaker 1: going to do it. That's just my opinion, though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think both are trying to get out.
Speaker 1: I think everyone in the top five this year are
Speaker 1: trying to get out. You know, they they're open for business.
Speaker 1: Make us a deal. I think some teams would be
Speaker 1: willing to take it. If two and three both are
Speaker 1: willing to move, then maybe the price is going up.
Speaker 1: There won't be next year's one. It might not, depending
Speaker 1: on what I'll take a jump. You're making it probably,
Speaker 1: and it probably depends on who's you know, who's making
Speaker 1: the deal. I mean, Saint Louis has the capital to
Speaker 1: get up there, probably without giving away next year's one,
Speaker 1: whereas the Eagles do not. Well, that's why you know
Speaker 1: we have the trade valued chart, and I honestly I
Speaker 1: don't put any credence in that when we're talking about
Speaker 1: top ten trades, because I think every top ten's different.
Speaker 1: This year's top ten is different than last year's top ten,
Speaker 1: So I'm going to past history. Then you could try
Speaker 1: and hold them up like the Rams held up the Redskins.
Speaker 1: I think when you have a pick like that, be it.
Speaker 1: I mean, anybody in the top five, Dallas included, When
Speaker 1: you have a pick like that, you set the terms.
Speaker 1: I mean, if they want to get up there, well,
Speaker 1: I think that's both extremes, you know what with the
Speaker 1: Rams and Redskins, what they did, I think that was
Speaker 1: one extreme, and then this year we could see the
Speaker 1: other extreme where it's maybe the Titan Station give away. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit of discount to move back and
Speaker 1: you know, pick up an extra second rounder just because
Speaker 1: they're not in love with Tunsel or anyone at the top.
Speaker 1: And John Robinson he wants picks, he wants yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, bringing this thing, you know, full circle.
Speaker 1: We started the conversation with with mock drafts, right, That's
Speaker 1: what that's why these teams look at mock drafts is
Speaker 1: because the drafts all about being prepared. In the top ten,
Speaker 1: you have to be prepared for X Y Z scenarios.
Speaker 1: You know, if this guys here, this guy's gone, a trade,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, a trade happens. You can't be
Speaker 1: caught off guard a general manager, you're a key decision
Speaker 1: maker in a war room. If you're caught off guard,
Speaker 1: you're going to make mistakes in the war room. You're
Speaker 1: going to you know, panic, and that's what you can't
Speaker 1: afford to happen when you have ten minutes on the clock. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm very fascinated by what because I think the draft
Speaker 1: can go a whole nother direction with that second pick.
Speaker 1: And it's funny. The other thing I was going to
Speaker 1: say is, you know, I feel like we spend so
Speaker 1: much time talking about the possibility that the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: going to be wiped out. You know, I mean, Tonsil goes,
Speaker 1: Ramsey's a top three pick, a quarterback they like is gone.
Speaker 1: They don't love Bosa. A lot of people don't love Bosa.
Speaker 1: Miles Jack's knees kind of iffy. We talked about all this. Well,
Speaker 1: there's so much uncertainty right now in the top four.
Speaker 1: But that's the funny thing to me, is like the
Speaker 1: thing that would actually be unexpected is if they don't
Speaker 1: get wiped out, Like what if a guy they really
Speaker 1: love just kind of falls in their lap. See, I'm
Speaker 1: kind of expecting that. I'm expecting something as good as well.
Speaker 1: I'm expecting if somebody goes dancing up, been there and
Speaker 1: throws this thing off, there could be somebody that they
Speaker 1: really really like. Speaking of guys they really really like,
Speaker 1: let's get into these thirty visits quick. Any surprises if
Speaker 1: I say they brought in Ezekiel Elliott, No, none, none,
Speaker 1: that's that's expected. Um, obviously he's he should be on
Speaker 1: the short list, whether they stay at four or you know,
Speaker 1: say they trade back a few spots. I mean, Zeke
Speaker 1: is besides Laramy Tunsel, he's the best offensive player in
Speaker 1: the draft, and he's surprised they brought in Jacoby Brissette. No. No,
Speaker 1: And I think you know, going by some of the
Speaker 1: quarterbacks they're bringing in, Um, you know they're bringing different
Speaker 1: quarterbacks at different levels of the draft, you know, So yeah,
Speaker 1: would you be surprised if they come out of this
Speaker 1: draft without drafting a quarterback. Oh, I'd be shocked, because
Speaker 1: they use six They've they've allocated six of the thirty
Speaker 1: visits they I think they were short. Two guys think
Speaker 1: they were twenty eight visits. Even if Dallas finds a
Speaker 1: way to acquire a veteran back between now and Charlie,
Speaker 1: they're still gonna drat get Ready. It's killing Moore well.
Speaker 1: And that's why you know, you don't just bring in
Speaker 1: the first and second round guys. They're bringing in some
Speaker 1: you know, Jacoby Brissette, who, Yeah, if you want to
Speaker 1: if you're gonna draft him, it's probably fourth or fifth round.
Speaker 1: I gave him a sixth round grade. But if you're
Speaker 1: gonna draft, it's probably fourth or fifth early day three.
Speaker 1: So not too much of a surprise. You know. Obviously
Speaker 1: they had a chance to see him at the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I don't know. I have a
Speaker 1: lot of questions that Jacoby Brissett. I think from better options,
Speaker 1: but I understand why a team would like him. An
Speaker 1: he's surprised that they brought in C. J. Prosise. No,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's a top five back. We've talked
Speaker 1: about it. I'm at so far. So far you've mentioned
Speaker 1: good players or interesting players at positions of need. So no,
Speaker 1: none of the surprises. Where would you take prosise thing?
Speaker 1: Fourth round? I think depending on what the board looks
Speaker 1: like in the third round, maybe I'm considering them third
Speaker 1: round sixty seven, depending on what the board says. I mean,
Speaker 1: last year, you know, you could they have taken a
Speaker 1: running back. There was a run on running backs, remember that.
Speaker 1: And if Randy Gregory is not there, maybe right there.
Speaker 1: So it depends on what the board looks like. Obviously,
Speaker 1: I mean you had you had your top ten guys
Speaker 1: here that there were some serious top five prospects here
Speaker 1: this week, But a lot of the guys on that
Speaker 1: list are kind of in that sixty seven to one
Speaker 1: thirty five middle of the draft type of dudes. Any
Speaker 1: surprise they brought in Vernon Hargraves. That one does surprise
Speaker 1: me a little bit. Yeah, you're thinking there, what you're thinking?
Speaker 1: I hope he's not a target at four. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a tough four player in this draft.
Speaker 1: This is they don't like, they don't probably don't care
Speaker 1: what you and I think no, they definitely don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why I said, I hope yeah. But this is
Speaker 1: what we talked about last week though. I mean they
Speaker 1: brought Lakwan Treadwell in two. That doesn't mean that they
Speaker 1: like him at four. That means they're doing their homework.
Speaker 1: And if if s hits the fan, like we were
Speaker 1: just talking about, maybe all of a sudden, you wind
Speaker 1: up at nine. You know, you got your eyes on
Speaker 1: some guy who can who can do some work for you,
Speaker 1: harder Eaves being one of them. Interesting they brought in
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz. I mean this is a player that they've
Speaker 1: had a chance to coach. I mean they've done a
Speaker 1: lot of work on with with Carson. You know what
Speaker 1: don't they know about him that they needed to bring
Speaker 1: him in? I mean, you know, every little bit helps,
Speaker 1: you know, you get to know them more and more
Speaker 1: and more. A lot of people, a lot of people
Speaker 1: are connecting dots there that Carson Wentz is gonna be
Speaker 1: a pick here. Uh. We had a chance to interview
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz this week. Who else do we get to interview?
Speaker 1: By the way, have to interview Carson Wentzon DeForrest Buckner,
Speaker 1: which they make I'm I'm gonna put on my cynic
Speaker 1: hat for a second. Please do The fact that we
Speaker 1: got clearance from the brass to I love you today.
Speaker 1: I usually do, but I love you today. It makes
Speaker 1: me wonder what their intention is. Yeah, if they were
Speaker 1: gonna if we got to talk to who do we
Speaker 1: get to talk to Carson Wentzon DeForrest Buckner before defensive
Speaker 1: end and a quarterback that we don't necessarily know is
Speaker 1: even gonna be there? Yeah, yeah, I mean that doesn't
Speaker 1: necessarily mean anything. But what does it mean? It means,
Speaker 1: I mean it means to me as a cynic, it
Speaker 1: says that they're not particularly convinced that they'll be drafting
Speaker 1: neither one of those guys. But I could be reading
Speaker 1: too much into it. Yeah, Karl Joseph also took a
Speaker 1: visit here. Guys. Yeah, he's gonna be a busy guy.
Speaker 1: He's making a lot of different travels around the country.
Speaker 1: A lot of people interested in Karl Joseph, And I understand,
Speaker 1: you know, this is a not a great safety class
Speaker 1: and a player like Karl Joseph where you watch the
Speaker 1: highlights and you're watching Earl Thomas, You're watching a guy
Speaker 1: that flies around the field. The anticipation doesn't miss. I mean,
Speaker 1: Earl Thomas doesn't miss as much as this though. And
Speaker 1: that's the thing. When you the highlights are old Thomas, yea,
Speaker 1: when you factor in the full body of work. That's
Speaker 1: why I gave him a second third round grade. But
Speaker 1: if you're if you want Karl Joseph, you have to
Speaker 1: take him at thirty four. If you're the Cowboys. Kenny
Speaker 1: Clark use Cla took a visit here, a great technique here.
Speaker 1: I like him. One of the youngest players in this draft,
Speaker 1: doesn't turn twenty one until the fall, so and he's
Speaker 1: he's an ascending player. I think he's going to continue
Speaker 1: to get at four. You gotta take him at thirty
Speaker 1: four if he's even still there. I've seen him mocked
Speaker 1: in the first round a couple of times, Carolina Denver,
Speaker 1: So you're maybe talking about trading back again. Well, this
Speaker 1: goes back to what we talked about after they signed
Speaker 1: Cedric Thornton, though, Are they really going to invest that
Speaker 1: high of a pick in a position that has two
Speaker 1: highly paid they see him as a three technique? Sure,
Speaker 1: I mean, you'd have a pretty hilacious rotation if you
Speaker 1: had Cedric Thornton, Tyrone Crawford and really any of those
Speaker 1: guys that you could get at thirty four, Clark, Billings, Johnson,
Speaker 1: you name it. I'm forgetting one. But it's okay. No
Speaker 1: visits from Spence or from Miles Jack. Yep. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: Jack's interesting. That is very interesting. Obviously with Miles Jack.
Speaker 1: The scouting's done. He's a top five pick. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: the medicals that we're just waiting waiting on that. And
Speaker 1: they got two visits left too. It might be a
Speaker 1: scramble him in, you know, kind of a deal usually
Speaker 1: leave you Oh, absolutely, he might. Yeah, you might scramble
Speaker 1: some guys in that, you know, the week before the
Speaker 1: draft and they're gonna have I assume they'll have somebody
Speaker 1: an indie for the recheck. Oh they will, So the
Speaker 1: medical staff will be the doctor. Maybe. Yeah, it's another
Speaker 1: chance to yeah, to catch catch a minute with him.
Speaker 1: Spence though we've talked about him a bunch. Yeah. They
Speaker 1: we're doing the due diligence at Ohio State on him.
Speaker 1: I know that that's a fact. That's the other thing
Speaker 1: they I mean, where do you mock him by the
Speaker 1: way again, all these guys, Yeah, and we talked about
Speaker 1: this again last week too. I mean whether or not
Speaker 1: the guys here means nothing to me about how much
Speaker 1: homework they've done on him. You know, they've got resources
Speaker 1: to put into this, like looking in background checks, all
Speaker 1: that type of stuff that they don't have to have
Speaker 1: a guy at the facility to make that happen. So
Speaker 1: potential Dallas day guys real quick that they're working out
Speaker 1: right now. Mills lsu Ridgeway Texas, a couple of guys
Speaker 1: who talked about Williams william running back. Yeah, a Sean Robinson.
Speaker 1: Robinson maybe a visit there. Maybe Coleman, see Corey Coleman
Speaker 1: could be a guy. Dotson could be in the mix.
Speaker 1: I mean, they've got some they've got some guys that
Speaker 1: if if, if things hold me possible big time players
Speaker 1: that can go in there. And that's such Dallas, what
Speaker 1: a huge advantage. We just listed all top fifty type
Speaker 1: guys and they are all here and they don't count
Speaker 1: toward the thirty just because of how talent reached this area.
Speaker 1: It's kind of funny, how you know, I feel like
Speaker 1: the last few years we've done this, Dallas, we've talked
Speaker 1: about you know, how great it would be a trade
Speaker 1: up in the top five and get the impact player. Now,
Speaker 1: I think Dallas fans this year there's a top five pick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of Dallas fans want to trade back, get
Speaker 1: out of this game more picks. Oh they're never happy,
Speaker 1: are they. Yeah, we find that out on Twitter every day. Okay,
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Speaker 1: off of the conversation we're having in the first segment.
Speaker 1: Wants to know with the moves or lack thereof in
Speaker 1: free agency, not to mention the current makeup of the
Speaker 1: Cowboys roster. Isn't this is a quote. Isn't it obvious
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are going quarterback at four? I don't think so.
Speaker 1: And I was gonna say the same thing. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think this board is open, I really do. And I
Speaker 1: think the fact if you look at the guys that
Speaker 1: were brought in on Dallas Day, extremely not Dawas Day,
Speaker 1: but the thirty visits, they're they're keeping the options. You got.
Speaker 1: You got quarterbacks, yeah, six of they're gonna take a
Speaker 1: quarterback at some point in time. But you've also got
Speaker 1: the top running back, you got the type safety corner,
Speaker 1: you got the top corner, you've got you know, you
Speaker 1: got potentially the top on your board defensive end. And
Speaker 1: Joey Bosa. So a matter of fact, I saw Bosa yesterday,
Speaker 1: Bosa and Rod Marinoli walking down the hall together. So
Speaker 1: I'm sure that conversation was very entertaining. But I think
Speaker 1: you have to keep an open mind about this thing.
Speaker 1: And I and I do believe that there they can
Speaker 1: go any direction as far as they whatever the board
Speaker 1: tells them to go. Well, I think it's the Cowboys
Speaker 1: job here to at least make people think that they
Speaker 1: love these quarterbacks, right, you know, you want to drive
Speaker 1: the trade interest, you want to you know, deceive other
Speaker 1: teams and what you're thinking. So I think they're doing
Speaker 1: it right by inviting all these quarterbacks in. Yep, same
Speaker 1: line of thought. Kind of touched on this. Dave wants
Speaker 1: to know if Cleveland doesn't take a quarterback, right, who
Speaker 1: do they take? Who's going? Who's going to Cleveland if
Speaker 1: it's not a quarterback, because it's one of those kind
Speaker 1: of like you mentioned with the Maury Cooper it's been
Speaker 1: a quarterback in every mock since the beginning of the year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they could feel good about the guy at the top
Speaker 1: of the second though, too. I mean that's and that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That's a situation San Diego Chargers had
Speaker 1: with Danian tom Woodson and then Drew Brees. So I
Speaker 1: mean that kind of thing's a Cleveland next got high
Speaker 1: guy over here. Yeah, they it's so hard because we
Speaker 1: have a new regime there, new head coach, they're they're
Speaker 1: basing so many of their decisions based on analytics and
Speaker 1: what the metrics tell them. It comes down to, is
Speaker 1: there a quarterback at number two they love and we
Speaker 1: don't know that. No one knows except for Cleveland. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so if Carson did, I love Carson Wentz, I
Speaker 1: love Jared Goff. They've done a lot of work on
Speaker 1: both these guys. Hugh Jackson he knows more about the
Speaker 1: quarterback position than any of us, and so if he
Speaker 1: loves one of these guys wants to work with them,
Speaker 1: that's your pick. I'll make a statement here. I talked
Speaker 1: to a guy that trusted about the Brown situation, and
Speaker 1: I don't think this guy's lying to me, but I'll
Speaker 1: admit it if I'm wrong and say, but they like Winz,
Speaker 1: but they're maybe not gonna pick him at two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they like they I mean, and I know
Speaker 1: maybe I'm not saying anything, but everybody kind of has
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz peg that way. But I was talked to
Speaker 1: a very trusted Brown source. He says, we like WinCE,
Speaker 1: we just not sure we would take him. And I
Speaker 1: buy that absolutely, because, first of all, hockey not like once.
Speaker 1: There's so much to like about the player and the person,
Speaker 1: but enough to take him two, enough to kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, bet the franchise on him. They've had a
Speaker 1: history of It's a long and awful list. Well, and
Speaker 1: this this regime does not feel pressured to take a quarterback.
Speaker 1: You know, they know this is a long term rebuild. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, they do not feel pressured they have to
Speaker 1: take a quarterback here. They want to build a roster.
Speaker 1: So it would not shock me at all if they
Speaker 1: go Jalen Ramsey, mild Jack Ni, if the knee is
Speaker 1: is okay, that's a possibility. Joey Bosta they brought in,
Speaker 1: so that's a possibility as well. So would not shock
Speaker 1: me to go any of those directions. They still run
Speaker 1: into three four up there. Yeah, that Ray Horton's their
Speaker 1: new defensive coordinator, so it'll be a three four base
Speaker 1: Forrest Buckner at two. I know you got you don't
Speaker 1: like him? No, like I too, though, Um well, it's
Speaker 1: kind of touching on that. Vega wanted to know. We
Speaker 1: talk a lot about Jack and what the medical recheck
Speaker 1: means if he's cleared, and I'm based on Dane's answer,
Speaker 1: I think I know, But is he an option, but
Speaker 1: for those first three picks, if he's cleared, I mean
Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely. How high can you see him going too? Too? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think Cleveland. Uh. You know, Hugh Jackson went out
Speaker 1: to UCLA's pro day, um and they like Aaron Wallace,
Speaker 1: the other linebacker there, like like a few other guys,
Speaker 1: but I think specifically wanted to see Miles jack and
Speaker 1: talk to Miles um even though he wasn't a full
Speaker 1: workout there, but possibility too. The Chargers, you know, they
Speaker 1: have talked extensively with Miles Jacks about him being a
Speaker 1: safety attention, a hybrid version of a safety linebacker. Why not?
Speaker 1: Why not? Okay, A friend of the show, Tommy, this
Speaker 1: is a this is a hypothetical if I've ever heard one.
Speaker 1: But whatever, Uh. If there are no character concerns surrounding
Speaker 1: Noah Spence, yeah, where's where's he? What's his floor? What's
Speaker 1: his what's his draft range? If you don't have to
Speaker 1: worry about that, you know what, I don't think I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna be I mean, i'mnna be honest here. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's the character concerns of Noah Spence. I
Speaker 1: think it's I think it's the fact that folks don't
Speaker 1: know really where to play him. Think so, yeah, you
Speaker 1: think that means more to teams than the act. I think.
Speaker 1: I think you need to worry about can Gecha and
Speaker 1: those kind of guys. I think you need to worry about.
Speaker 1: To me, Noah Spence's transgressions are far more removed. You
Speaker 1: are not. I'm not gonna say you're giving this guy
Speaker 1: a pass, but you are not. Not. But I know,
Speaker 1: but you know what, I watched the kids speak at
Speaker 1: the Combine. He thought it was very composed. He's like,
Speaker 1: they test me all the time. You know, I'm standing up.
Speaker 1: I'm a clean guy. You know. I don't worry about
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory if you want to compare to Randy Gregory
Speaker 1: failed a drug tist at the Combines. It's true, you know,
Speaker 1: And I think that. I think it's more about Noah
Speaker 1: Spence is where to play him than it is what
Speaker 1: his issues are off the field, which I don't I
Speaker 1: think are behind him. I think it's both. I mean,
Speaker 1: because once you have an addiction, you know, and we're
Speaker 1: talking about a year and a half ago, not ten
Speaker 1: years ago. So I think it is still fresh enough
Speaker 1: where you have to have to worry about it somewhat,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't. Is it gonna stop you from
Speaker 1: drafting him? No? I mean, but I think it has
Speaker 1: to be fresh in your mind about is it. I
Speaker 1: believe the kids. I know that he failed the drug
Speaker 1: test at the Combine. I don't. I don't believe. I
Speaker 1: didn't believe Randy Gregory. He told Yeah, you're right. I know.
Speaker 1: I called Shenanigans on you for what I last this
Speaker 1: time last year, Randy Gregory. I didn't like Randy Gregory
Speaker 1: the player. He was doing the second round on my board.
Speaker 1: You want to see it. You want to see our board.
Speaker 1: You love that pick, you love that pick. I remember this.
Speaker 1: It was a second round player was und It was
Speaker 1: the same it was at sixty. All I'm trying to
Speaker 1: say is that this time last year, Randy, I believe
Speaker 1: you on that. That's not what I'm talking about. Randy
Speaker 1: Gregory was saying all of the right things. There he
Speaker 1: is Shane Ray over Randy Gregory. Was Randy Gregory not
Speaker 1: giving all the right interviews and saying all the right
Speaker 1: things about putting that behind him. He did. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying he fails. Look where Look where I see him.
Speaker 1: I see him. I see him. No, I'm I think
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to get burn. I think you're absolutely
Speaker 1: right about where to play him. The fit um. You know,
Speaker 1: his his issues against the run as he you know,
Speaker 1: I think you said that for I think that's definitely
Speaker 1: part of it. But I know, and we've talked about
Speaker 1: this before. I give Spence a lot of credit for
Speaker 1: instead of bolting for the NFL, he goes down to
Speaker 1: the FCS level. He passes every drug test they give him.
Speaker 1: You talk to former coaches, former teammates. I've done a
Speaker 1: lot of digging on Noah Spence and a lot of
Speaker 1: people go to bat for him. They say he's a
Speaker 1: good person. It just when you're talking about addiction that
Speaker 1: that worries me a little bit. So I think it's
Speaker 1: a little bit of both. I mean both at the
Speaker 1: factor in he's a wild card. He could fall anywhere
Speaker 1: between what ten and six about the box drafts, that's
Speaker 1: what everybody's saying. When you fall at thirty four. If
Speaker 1: he's there at thirty four, my gosh, run to the podium. Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean it could be and people say, oh Jesus
Speaker 1: is Randy Gregory all over. I don't. I don't think
Speaker 1: it is. Well. I mean, look at Shane Ray, how
Speaker 1: he Randy Gregory has issues I would be equally concerned about. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I'd be equally concerned about drafting Spence, not because of
Speaker 1: the drug stuff, but because I think he's a three
Speaker 1: four linebacker, just like I thought Randy Gregory. And that's
Speaker 1: where I am too. That with just trying to tell
Speaker 1: you guys that though I really didn't know where it was,
Speaker 1: my pin at you and it's definitely bigger man. Is
Speaker 1: you're right? Next question? Next question? Where are we? Where
Speaker 1: are we? Where are we? Jedi wants to know what position,
Speaker 1: if any, could you see the Cowboys double dipping in
Speaker 1: this draft? M I would say cornerback if it were
Speaker 1: my call, could be somewhere along to defense. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you talk about Bosa and you turn around and
Speaker 1: what if they got a first round guy, what if
Speaker 1: they got a first round grade on the Clemson kid Dodd? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they could have they you know, Dodd came on a visit.
Speaker 1: We've all got dot at thirty four at least I do.
Speaker 1: Somebody asked me, Hey, what's your ideal two picks? I'll
Speaker 1: take Zeke and I'll take Dot don't. Yeah, some people
Speaker 1: have Dodd in the top ten, man, I don't Dodd's
Speaker 1: your ideal at thirty four, Like that's your yeah list
Speaker 1: for we take him at thirty I'm not saying because
Speaker 1: I don't, because I don't think there's gonna be a receiver. Yeah,
Speaker 1: unless you like, I could say, my guy Dots and
Speaker 1: I think he's going to go in the first round
Speaker 1: seeking Dodd would be Fuller was here, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm I'm not on the Dodd train. I
Speaker 1: guess I like him okay mid second round, but I
Speaker 1: don't know. He's not What does he do really really well?
Speaker 1: I mean he does a lot of things pretty well,
Speaker 1: but not nothing like really well. Doesn't have the distinguishing trait.
Speaker 1: I don't know. He's not a great athlete. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I've seen. It's just exhaust But
Speaker 1: it's the same way I feel about Bosa. So we're
Speaker 1: okay with this, and that's part of the disagreement in life.
Speaker 1: But in the second I think DoD can capture the edge.
Speaker 1: I do think he can turn the corner. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: do think he could. He could he could play the run.
Speaker 1: I think he could do those things. I think he can.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess it's okay. I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to no no. When you're talking second round though, that's
Speaker 1: the type of player you're probably going to find, you know, Dodds.
Speaker 1: I don't think DoD's a future pro bowler, but in
Speaker 1: a second round you're looking for solid starters, and that's
Speaker 1: what he can be. You play on my left end,
Speaker 1: and you played Bosa at left end too. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: in your scenario, you're drafting two left end spences and
Speaker 1: then you got so you'd have Gregory and d Law
Speaker 1: play right. Yeah, I would do cornerback or uh bits
Speaker 1: at Mayawa. There's only Oh yeah, I forgot. I forgot
Speaker 1: about him. Yeah. I mean that's the thing, and that's
Speaker 1: why I said cornerback. I'm not saying the defensive line.
Speaker 1: I think double I think they could double dip at
Speaker 1: I think they could double dip at defensive line. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that makes sense. I don't think they double dip.
Speaker 1: And you said corner though, right. The thing the thing
Speaker 1: that they draft Ramsey though, it's it's Ramsey's gonna play corner. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I mean, and then you could probably and yeah
Speaker 1: and another guy. Yeah. I just when you look at
Speaker 1: the D line, I'm not saying any of them are studs,
Speaker 1: but most of them have long term futures here. Most
Speaker 1: of them are under contract. You got bodies? What you
Speaker 1: got nothing at corner? Actually mailback question? Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: a mailback. We got Scandrick and maybe Byron. That's fair. Uh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So that's what's thinking. Okay, Greg wants to know if
Speaker 1: the verse three picks go Tonsil, Jack Ramsey, tons So
Speaker 1: Jack Ramsey, that's all all the quarterbacks are on the board.
Speaker 1: What are you doing? I'm going Bosa. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: my top three players in this draft are Tunsil, Jack Ramsey.
Speaker 1: That's exactly how it's been since January for me. And
Speaker 1: I'm not changing. My number four player in this draft
Speaker 1: is Joey Bosa. And so that's the that's direction I'm going.
Speaker 1: You're taking a quarterback taking a quarterback? I Well, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what I can. I can make an argument
Speaker 1: for Elliott. I can make it all right, because he's
Speaker 1: my second best player on the quarterback. He's taken. Well,
Speaker 1: he knew I love a Lynch. Okay, I don't love it,
Speaker 1: and I've been against it all year, But if if
Speaker 1: Goff was there for I think I'd probably pull the trigger,
Speaker 1: especially because they've done nothing to address QB two. So
Speaker 1: we think, we think though they could take a quarterback
Speaker 1: probability fifty fifty or better, they take a quarterback over Zeke.
Speaker 1: If it's between a quarterback and Zeke, I think they'd
Speaker 1: take the quarterback, honestly, assuming they love one of them,
Speaker 1: which they gotta love at least one of the three.
Speaker 1: I don't how do we know. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know how he could have any good feeling about that,
Speaker 1: because I can brought him all in. Yeah, I can
Speaker 1: make a strong case for both ways. I mean, you
Speaker 1: need a quarterback Hackenburg at thirty four. Heck no, I
Speaker 1: don't want him. A cook I would take, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know if i'd take him that early. If you've
Speaker 1: got your choice of quarterbacks and you got the situation
Speaker 1: they've got it running back, they're gonna they will take
Speaker 1: if all three of them are there, I feel like
Speaker 1: they would take one. I really kind of do at
Speaker 1: four over Zeke. I love Zekete, best player. I love
Speaker 1: Zeke to death. I I just don't believe they'll take
Speaker 1: him at four. I don't care what happens. I agree,
Speaker 1: I don't believe they'll take him at four, even if
Speaker 1: it's a night sitting there in the look good, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he look good. He looked like he just wanted to
Speaker 1: put on a uniform and go and play for them.
Speaker 1: They'll take him at six, they take him at eight,
Speaker 1: they take him at ten. They will not take him
Speaker 1: at four. I just don't believe it. I agree, So
Speaker 1: I yeah, question by the quarter music. Question one more
Speaker 1: and then we gotta go okay, um okay, y'all are
Speaker 1: gonna hate me. I actually saved this one for last
Speaker 1: because I know we'd get to it. Josh wants an
Speaker 1: update on how you feel about Cardel Jones. The question
Speaker 1: it is for me. It is for me. I didn't
Speaker 1: actually think we'd get to this question. But whatever Cardinal Jones,
Speaker 1: it really bothers me that they didn't even bring him in.
Speaker 1: I mean, they brought in six quarterbacks when you and
Speaker 1: all of you don't like right, I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: like him as much as I like twelve gage. Let
Speaker 1: me tell you this, and and when we do the
Speaker 1: show again next year, we'll we'll say. Duly noted on
Speaker 1: Cardlo Jones, he does have the strongest arm, but talking
Speaker 1: to some scouts, I honestly seeing it, reading it, doing it.
Speaker 1: I still I still love him. I'm gonna ride with him,
Speaker 1: but I have yet to find somebody who's really got
Speaker 1: a positive opinion of what he could be. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was staying Homer here. I'm good. Cardel Jones is fine,
Speaker 1: I mean physically sure, brings everything you want. Man Brandon
Speaker 1: Allen or Cardinal Jones. Brandon Allen easy, I mean Cardil Jones.
Speaker 1: A Does it mean anything to y'all that the kid
Speaker 1: has played in eleven games compared to like the Hackenburgs
Speaker 1: and Allen's of the world, who have played in forty years.
Speaker 1: Every bid is concerning, and he played three full years
Speaker 1: at pick senator from Florida. Duly noted, Yeah, I do
Speaker 1: have Cardel Jones ahead of PRIs set, so I would
Speaker 1: take him there. But Cardel Jones is my number nine
Speaker 1: quarterback in this draft. There you go. If Cardel Jones
Speaker 1: goes into a situation where nobody's accounting on him for
Speaker 1: anything for two or three years, I think he could
Speaker 1: be pretty much. I'd love to see him go to
Speaker 1: an Arizona. You know, sit behind Carson Palmer. He used
Speaker 1: to play in the eight in the It's the It's
Speaker 1: Oregon's Quartern Adams. He's got to be better. He's got
Speaker 1: to be better than Logan Thomas. All right, Logan Thomas
Speaker 1: was a pretty high draft pick. All right, I got you.
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Speaker 1: Happy to do there. He will be or Green Bay
Speaker 1: or New York. Yeah, come see us. We'd love to
Speaker 1: have you here. Star Sports Tours can do. Yeah, twenty
Speaker 1: days to the NFL Draft. Uh, we're gonna talk a
Speaker 1: little bit of we want to take calls eight eight
Speaker 1: eight eight five five two two ninety seven. We're gonna
Speaker 1: do or tell me more. But I do want to
Speaker 1: take some calls. So if you're out there, this will
Speaker 1: be an opportunity for you to get on board. And
Speaker 1: I will let you know that when we do so.
Speaker 1: So Dave tell me more. All right, we got how many?
Speaker 1: We we're gonna do? Three? All right, free guys, We're
Speaker 1: gonna start off because I've been putting this off, but
Speaker 1: Dallas day is a great day to do it. Shout
Speaker 1: out to my Red Raiders. Tell me more about Jachem
Speaker 1: Grant Jachem Grant, Guy. I wish I would have got
Speaker 1: a Combine invite or ante to one of these All
Speaker 1: Star games just to see him more, because he's such
Speaker 1: an electric athlete. I mean at school, David, my school,
Speaker 1: he killed l It's trying to tackle smoke. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the type of ball carrier is so moke. The
Speaker 1: one thing I worry about is he didn't return punts
Speaker 1: in college, and so if he's going to make it
Speaker 1: in the NFL, he needs to be able to be
Speaker 1: an impact return man. We know we could do on
Speaker 1: kick returns, but the kick return is devalued in the
Speaker 1: NFL these days, so it's more about the punt return.
Speaker 1: And Kenny add that, you know, versatility to you know,
Speaker 1: his toolbox be more valuable. So if he can do
Speaker 1: that and win that job in training camp, you know,
Speaker 1: I think he could be a better version of a
Speaker 1: Lucky Whitehead. Yeah. I really enjoyed watching him play at tape.
Speaker 1: The tape is the tape is electric, you know, and
Speaker 1: and uh, you know they do a good job of
Speaker 1: getting him the football, getting him in space, and allowing
Speaker 1: him to make those types of plays. You're absolutely right,
Speaker 1: exactly and when he when he you know, and that's
Speaker 1: in this game. I mean you've said it before. How
Speaker 1: does a guy play in space? When you when you
Speaker 1: watch when you know, when you watch tape, how does
Speaker 1: a guy play in space? And he is one of
Speaker 1: those guys that's special with the football in his hands.
Speaker 1: So yeah, god, he's my size. Yeah he's five five, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's that. I'm like five five five six. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: if you don't run four three one, you know what's
Speaker 1: he that's faster or faster? He's from the area. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if he doesn't get drafted, I like the odds that
Speaker 1: he takes a call from Derek Dooley. There is a
Speaker 1: priority for we'll see. I mean he's but he's special
Speaker 1: with the ball in his hands in space. Um, small
Speaker 1: school special. We've maybe mentioned this guy. Tell me more
Speaker 1: about Montana's Tyrone Holmes. I know you and uh Katie
Speaker 1: were pretty high on him a week or two. A great,
Speaker 1: good player, Yeah he is. He he's the FCS defensive
Speaker 1: player of the year. Um, somehow got snubbed for a
Speaker 1: combine invite. And this is a player that last year
Speaker 1: at eighteen sacks twenty two tackles for loss. Um He's
Speaker 1: really good at staying low off the snap, driving his
Speaker 1: hands and converting that first step into power, and so
Speaker 1: he can put guys on their heels and really disrupt
Speaker 1: what's going on in the pocket. You watched him against
Speaker 1: North Dakota State. Yeah, you know, he takes down Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz a couple of different times. Yeah, at least gets
Speaker 1: some spooked in the pockets. So to me, I've got
Speaker 1: him somewhere in the mid rounds. I think he's a
Speaker 1: you know, could be a valuable pass rusher as a rookie. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Where do you have him? Right? Yeah, I'm with you
Speaker 1: on that. I had him in the like four five.
Speaker 1: There's my round of my I have all my my
Speaker 1: undersize guys in the fourth and fifth round. I'm really
Speaker 1: in the fourth round when you talk about let me
Speaker 1: see who I got there, like Nicholas o'chee, Holmes, Perkins,
Speaker 1: all my kind of my undersized guys all there in
Speaker 1: the fourth round. But this kid in danger, right. You
Speaker 1: can watch he went up in weight class though a
Speaker 1: little bit because he was at an All Star game,
Speaker 1: so you see him kind of getting a little bit.
Speaker 1: But against North Dakota State, Wentz is trying to stand
Speaker 1: in the pocket and this guy screaming off his left
Speaker 1: left side right there and harassing him the whole day.
Speaker 1: So yeah, the boat or just doesn't que never quit
Speaker 1: on draft, like on Friday or Saturday, Saturday afternoon, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are gonna draft a kid from app State and
Speaker 1: Montana and like Joe and Flower Mounds just gonna be pissed,
Speaker 1: But our listeners are gonna be pumped. Like, yeah, they're
Speaker 1: gonna know Joe. Start listening another small school special. You
Speaker 1: might have heard of this guy thanks to our buddy
Speaker 1: Mike Mayock. Tell me more about Akron's j Tavis Brown.
Speaker 1: We've talked about him quite a bit on here. I
Speaker 1: mean he was my number one combine snub and so
Speaker 1: I remember we talked about him back then. Yeah, mayok
Speaker 1: now put him in his top five. That's a little
Speaker 1: tire draft a little bit linebacker the linebackers. Yeah, did
Speaker 1: he split him up inside outside? No, he just put him.
Speaker 1: He put him in there. It's one of the linebackers. Hey,
Speaker 1: that's great. I mean he's he moves faster than you know,
Speaker 1: most linebackers are supposed to move. The problem is he's
Speaker 1: the size of a safety, and so how does he fit.
Speaker 1: I think at worse you're talking about a guy that
Speaker 1: can be a special team's ace. But that type of
Speaker 1: speed and the way he hits, the way he closes
Speaker 1: his outstanding. So at worse you're getting a special teams
Speaker 1: guy's going to show up day in day out. But
Speaker 1: where does he fit on defense? I thought about play
Speaker 1: him as a will linebacker and just letting him run.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's his best that's that's when you trust
Speaker 1: him as a starter. I don't see that well. I
Speaker 1: mean this is where Mayott gets a little crazy. He
Speaker 1: does all that work up to a point and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he starts listening to guys and
Speaker 1: it messes his board. But uh yeah, but he's this
Speaker 1: kid's an outstanding player. I don't know if he's one
Speaker 1: of the top five linebackers in this this draft class.
Speaker 1: But Dane's right about the ability to run, to go
Speaker 1: to chase, to get to the football wrap up. You
Speaker 1: actually seen him playing coverage. He'll carry her out and
Speaker 1: for a short guy knows how to play off hand.
Speaker 1: So you know, what's his size? What is his size?
Speaker 1: Five ten five? I believe, Yeah, you're all right, about
Speaker 1: that was in your book. And so we're the guys
Speaker 1: we just talked about are the most likely non combined
Speaker 1: guys he get draft at first? You know Jativa's round, Uh,
Speaker 1: Tyron Home. I think Kevin Byard from Middle Tennessee safety. Yeah,
Speaker 1: these are non combined guys who have a chance to
Speaker 1: be the first guys drafted that weren't at the combine. Okay,
Speaker 1: throw me one more, Um, tell me more about Bennett Okacha,
Speaker 1: cornerback ut San Antonio, Oklahoma transfer. Yeah. I kind of
Speaker 1: like this guy. Yeah, I like him. I don't he
Speaker 1: doesn't have the necessary speed that I'm looking for a
Speaker 1: corner right. I think he plays the ball well. I
Speaker 1: think he has ball skills. Um, you see the ball
Speaker 1: awareness that that's off the charts. Yeah. Um. Can he
Speaker 1: make up for false steps? Yeah? And that's what I
Speaker 1: worry about with him. I think he's gonna get kind
Speaker 1: of uh you know, blown by at the line of
Speaker 1: scrange by some of these NFL wide receivers if he
Speaker 1: gets put on an island. But he has some talent
Speaker 1: to work with. When you're talking the later rounds, it
Speaker 1: might be a guy or you know, take a chance
Speaker 1: on five eleven and four or five five. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: the key, what Dane says, is transfer from Oka home
Speaker 1: that so he so, Yeah, one time he was playing
Speaker 1: big time football and I just was looking down on
Speaker 1: my notes, So I did I saw the range. I
Speaker 1: did see some ketchup speed positioning routes. He turns his
Speaker 1: head to find the ball. But the burst. You know,
Speaker 1: there was some some positive traits about him. I understand
Speaker 1: what Dane is talking about though, being on an island
Speaker 1: and all that, but but the whole thing with Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: some positive traits make him a guy like Dane says
Speaker 1: that you could see a little bit later in a
Speaker 1: draft round. What great deal have on him? I had
Speaker 1: him in the sixth I gave him PFA. He's my
Speaker 1: first PFA among the corners, so I was borderline seventh
Speaker 1: or a PFA. So I'm close there with you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: One thing with him when you're talking corners, I think
Speaker 1: something that translates his passes defended, you know, sacks with
Speaker 1: pass rogers, tackles with linebackers. The thing that translates more
Speaker 1: than anything I think is passes defended with with corners.
Speaker 1: And he he had thirty passes defended the last three
Speaker 1: years and thirty one starts, and so that's a good number.
Speaker 1: It is a good number. I like. I like hearing
Speaker 1: PFA about local guys because it gives the cowboys a
Speaker 1: great shot at and you know what good shot that
Speaker 1: he's out there working right now on at and T's
Speaker 1: at the stadium and being a part of that. Okay, Dave,
Speaker 1: thanks so much for tell me more. I always appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Hope we educated everybody a little bit on that. All right, kid, Kerrison, Yo,
Speaker 1: welcome to the program. Thank you, sir. All Right, we're
Speaker 1: gonna take some calls here now the last ten minutes
Speaker 1: of the show. We need you to line them up.
Speaker 1: We're all doing well here in the studio and be
Speaker 1: nice to kn't so can't take it away. Kleotis in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: You're on the Draft show, all right, I know you
Speaker 1: guys are good. I'm good, so let's jump right in.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Well, i'd like to hear from each of
Speaker 1: you your best case scenarios for the first two rounds,
Speaker 1: assuming they stay put. No trading, okay, not what you
Speaker 1: think they're doing in the war room with the twenty eighth,
Speaker 1: but what you personally like to accomplish, and if you
Speaker 1: could have give a brief reason as to why you
Speaker 1: think they'll fit and really quick, I'll kick off. My
Speaker 1: first two guy at the top of my draft board
Speaker 1: is Miles Jack. Okay, I think you're playing as Sam
Speaker 1: h you play him at the nickel you take uh
Speaker 1: um McClane off the field during nickel packages, right, um?
Speaker 1: And at number two, since they did sign um, well,
Speaker 1: what's his name? The Jack? The other Jack Crawford? Yeah, Um, back,
Speaker 1: I'll switch out to Dan instead of d tackle and
Speaker 1: I'll take either Emmanuel Ogba or Kevin Dott whoever's there. Okay,
Speaker 1: thank you very much, appreciate the call. Solid got him too.
Speaker 1: Let's for this exercise, let's assume Miles Jack's healthy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and if that's the case, I'm gonna go Miles Jack
Speaker 1: at four. Um, you know for all the reasons. Uh
Speaker 1: you know that was just said. The number two A
Speaker 1: couple of different directions you could go here. I'm gonna say,
Speaker 1: say Xavian Howard Baylor'd like to see him Jack and
Speaker 1: Howard Dave you got a thought on this one? Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: I'm this is what I want, right, not what they're
Speaker 1: gonna do. Yeah, sign me up for Zeke at for
Speaker 1: hate on Haters. Uh, and I actually um, I would say,
Speaker 1: you know, I would say, like Corey Coleman, I don't
Speaker 1: think he'll be there. Uh. Actually I like I like
Speaker 1: Xavien Howard. Two. I mocked him as our as my
Speaker 1: second round guy in our magazine mock, so I'll sign
Speaker 1: me up for for Xavian as well. And two I
Speaker 1: also like Miles Jack At One. For me, I'm caught
Speaker 1: between taking Dixon from Louisiana Tech the running back, and
Speaker 1: potentially taking Vaughan Bell, the safety from Ohio State, so
Speaker 1: Joseph might be in there in that mix. Two, I
Speaker 1: will say that I like Dixon bet or so for me,
Speaker 1: I'll go Jack and Dixon as my two guys that
Speaker 1: I would take. Uh in as the best case scenario,
Speaker 1: I would say, as a quick caveat, I don't legitimately
Speaker 1: believe they would take Zeke best case scenario for them,
Speaker 1: I would oh, no, it's too we would take But yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say, I would say Ramsey, I think they
Speaker 1: would take him, and that would Ramsey. He could have
Speaker 1: said Bosa he could you know, there could have been
Speaker 1: a lot of Yeah, we could have set a lot
Speaker 1: of different things. I mean, we could have said should
Speaker 1: be ze all. I can't Bob in New Jersey. Go ahead,
Speaker 1: how you guys don't great? My favorite player is Buckner,
Speaker 1: and I was wondering how you think he would hold
Speaker 1: up that left defensive end and then move Lawrence over
Speaker 1: to the right side. Okay, thank you very much for
Speaker 1: the call. That's kind of what that's that's the plan.
Speaker 1: That'd be the scenario if they do add Buckner and
Speaker 1: it's not worse. I mean, that's not a bad option. Um.
Speaker 1: I'm not a huge Buckner fan. At four, I like
Speaker 1: him better than a three to four bos is a
Speaker 1: better player than Buckner at four? I think, so, yeah,
Speaker 1: can you kick Buckner to end to tackle? Not all
Speaker 1: the time, but that's yeah, that's what he's I mean,
Speaker 1: I thought about him being like a one. I mean,
Speaker 1: he he sounds like a more talented David Irving in
Speaker 1: terms of size and skill set. That's kind of yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just better body control and better just overall. As
Speaker 1: athletic says him, Clias Campbell like, and that's what you're
Speaker 1: looking like with the great three four defensive end right
Speaker 1: head up five and gap. It's really easy to write
Speaker 1: him off because he doesn't fit the scheme, and they
Speaker 1: let us talk to him. But I mean they did
Speaker 1: bring him in here. They brought him in for sure
Speaker 1: he did, so sure he did. He wouldn't be here
Speaker 1: if there was And we talked him at the combine
Speaker 1: two about he says, hey, four three teams, we're talking
Speaker 1: about him inside. So all right, ken't Seth and san
Speaker 1: Antonio Seth? Yes? Yes, um So, I heard a report
Speaker 1: today that the Cowboys have acquired about the number one
Speaker 1: overall pick. If it is true and they do pull
Speaker 1: the trigger to move up to number one, who do
Speaker 1: you think it would be? Thanks taking my call on ahead, listen,
Speaker 1: I don't know that's next year's one going to somebody.
Speaker 1: But we talked about I mean, if you just play
Speaker 1: the chart, if you play their chart, it's next year's one.
Speaker 1: If they're willing to give the pick away, there's no way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're not giving up next year's one to move up
Speaker 1: three spots. Does not happening not happen on their chart,
Speaker 1: It would say, dude, I don't care. I know, and
Speaker 1: I know you don't play the chart, not in a
Speaker 1: top ten because you know, especially this year the top ten,
Speaker 1: kind us strong pick him somebody at one. Let's say,
Speaker 1: let's say pick them somebody at one. If they're going
Speaker 1: up to one, it has to be for a quarterbacks debate.
Speaker 1: It has to be. They're not drafting Tonsil at one.
Speaker 1: They don't mean they don't need him, right? What else
Speaker 1: are they going to do there? And Jalen Rams is
Speaker 1: a very nice player, but not worth giving away next
Speaker 1: year's one. Considering you could be sitting there at four
Speaker 1: and maybe get Jayalen if they are positively enamored with
Speaker 1: wins or golf or in some weird universe Lynch, that
Speaker 1: would have to be what they You would go for
Speaker 1: the court, you'd make the move, only get the quarterback
Speaker 1: if you're if you're the Cowboys and you like Wentz
Speaker 1: quite a bit. Okay, does it scare you that the
Speaker 1: Eagles are maybe talking the Titans to move up the
Speaker 1: number one? Is? That could give you extra incentives? Let
Speaker 1: me let me let me tell you this, do it?
Speaker 1: I am I get rid of your future draft picks
Speaker 1: to draft a quarterbacks? Your opinion? Oh no, my opinion.
Speaker 1: If I'm a Cowboy fan, go get Winch, go get it,
Speaker 1: go go. If it doesn't makes drafts if it takes you,
Speaker 1: you don't have a two and you're going and you're
Speaker 1: giving next year's one. But I'm saying, if you're this
Speaker 1: team and you like but if you like Wins, okay,
Speaker 1: if yeah, if you're looking at him at four and saying, hey,
Speaker 1: we'd really like it if Winz falls to four, If
Speaker 1: Wentz is there at four, we're gonna take him. Does
Speaker 1: it worry you a little bit that the Eagles are
Speaker 1: looking at him possibly trading up. Does that give you
Speaker 1: extra incentive to possibly move up? No? I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't believe that they like any
Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks that much. Yeah, the fact that they
Speaker 1: brought six of them in I think tells you that too.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I agree that they're they're they're throwing a
Speaker 1: big wide net and they're gonna try and grab one.
Speaker 1: But go get Wins and keep Zeke out of the
Speaker 1: NF So it's a good question, though, I mean, it doesn't.
Speaker 1: It doesn't if they're If it'sn't, if it's for true
Speaker 1: to go get Wins. I can me personally looking at
Speaker 1: how we've had them graded, right, I'm okay with that
Speaker 1: you're taking my third quarterback off the board. Go forth?
Speaker 1: Probably no, I know you would, But say this team
Speaker 1: is set at okay. You know, if I say, we're
Speaker 1: gonna take Wins if he's there at four. If he's not,
Speaker 1: we'll go We're okay, go in a different direction. But
Speaker 1: if Winz is there at four, we're going to take it.
Speaker 1: If they say that wins is their best quarterback and
Speaker 1: they then they and they let the Eagles trade on him,
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll hear about that. Yeah, I'm sure we'll
Speaker 1: hear about that would be the only way they'd be
Speaker 1: trading up right. I think I heard a room and
Speaker 1: as a rumor, unsubstantiated, but maybe Fletcher Cox would like
Speaker 1: play a role in some kind of trade to get
Speaker 1: up there. You do almost have to, because I mean, hey,
Speaker 1: without a second round pick, get rid of your best
Speaker 1: defender and a bunch of draft picks to go get
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz. Go for it. Yah, yeah, go all day.
Speaker 1: Yeah take if you take, hey take, yeah, take Fletcher
Speaker 1: Cox out out of this division. I'm off that. All right?
Speaker 1: We got time for one more kit? Yeah, Norman in
Speaker 1: silver spring, go ahead, Hi, guys, think for taking a
Speaker 1: call Um. Last week, you guys were discussing wide receivers,
Speaker 1: and I don't think you've talked too much about Perlin's Shepherd. Okay,
Speaker 1: I wanted to get your thoughts on him. Do you
Speaker 1: think he's a possibility at thirty four? If not, do
Speaker 1: you think he could maybe fall to sixty seven? Also?
Speaker 1: Do you view him primarily as a spot receiver? You
Speaker 1: know a lot of people do, but I think you
Speaker 1: can maybe play maybe playing the Alps side. I'm curious
Speaker 1: to see how you guys talking about him regarding that,
Speaker 1: and if you think he's just a spot receiver, that's
Speaker 1: having Cole Beasley possibly preclude the Cowboys from from really
Speaker 1: considered him. Okay, thanks great call appreciate that. I almost
Speaker 1: instead of Zavian Howard, I almost said Sterling Ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I always Coleman, Thomas, Shepherd, Fuller, kind of those names
Speaker 1: in the second round. I don't know how you have
Speaker 1: Shepherd's my number five. It's funny, Shepherd when we started
Speaker 1: this whole process, he started as my number nine receiver.
Speaker 1: And the more I watch, more I watch, he just
Speaker 1: kept climbing. Yeah. Braxon Miller got so much love with
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. Yeah, remind Mellins from last year. Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: it's the Harden nothing. No, I'm with you. He I
Speaker 1: got him in the second round. I think that if
Speaker 1: you'd start talking at thirty four, I don't think he
Speaker 1: gets to sixty seven, anything can happen. I don't see
Speaker 1: I don't see him get the sixty seven. And I
Speaker 1: think he's better than just a slot receiver. I agree,
Speaker 1: because yeah, yeah, because he has the one trade he
Speaker 1: has is his elusiveness. Yeah, he could, because he could.
Speaker 1: He could fly across the field. You could put him
Speaker 1: on the move, get him vertical. I've seen him make
Speaker 1: vertical plays. You can get him inside. You could bring
Speaker 1: him down and run him on the arrows and drags
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Inside across. He can be depressed,
Speaker 1: he could be out. I think of him the same
Speaker 1: way I think of Derrick Henry, which is, don't love
Speaker 1: it at thirty four. Won't be there at sixty seven.
Speaker 1: He won't be there at sixty seven though. Good job,
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