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Speaker 1: to the Draft Show. Kate Garrison, executive producer of the show.

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Speaker 1: Uh found something interesting yesterday? Well let me before I

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Speaker 1: get to that. We'll get to We got thirty visits, yes,

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Speaker 1: a guy or two found something really interesting. Yesterday, Eric

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Speaker 1: da Costa talking about mock drafts. You see that, by

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Speaker 1: any chance I didn't, Eric da Costa, who's the player

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Speaker 1: the way, Erica Costa talking about mock drafts, saying that

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Speaker 1: mock drafts. He's interesting and I just kind of wonder

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Speaker 1: as we get closer to this and we've started doing

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Speaker 1: some of our own mock drafts at Dallas Cowboys dot Com,

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Speaker 1: you've done quite a few. Every Monday, I believe you

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Speaker 1: say you do a mock drafts. Dave hasn't a story

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Speaker 1: going up every week about mock drafts. True. Is it

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Speaker 1: talk about how much they pour into mock drafts, how

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Speaker 1: My I've always was one of those guys. It was like,

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Speaker 1: at probably five or six mock drafts. People we trust,

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Speaker 1: you know, you being one of them. And you know,

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Speaker 1: there's certain people around the league that have a feel

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Speaker 1: Spence though we've talked about him a bunch. Yeah. They

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Speaker 1: Let's do a little Twitter were on the Twitter League.

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Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna op right, into it for building

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Speaker 1: off of the conversation we're having in the first segment.

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Speaker 1: Wants to know with the moves or lack thereof in

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Speaker 1: free agency, not to mention the current makeup of the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys roster. Isn't this is a quote. Isn't it obvious

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys are going quarterback at four? I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: And I was gonna say the same thing. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think this board is open, I really do. And I

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Speaker 1: but the thirty visits, they're they're keeping the options. You got.

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Speaker 1: You got quarterbacks, yeah, six of they're gonna take a

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Speaker 1: quarterback at some point in time. But you've also got

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Speaker 1: the top running back, you got the type safety corner,

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Speaker 1: Joey Bosa. So a matter of fact, I saw Bosa yesterday,

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Speaker 1: Bosa and Rod Marinoli walking down the hall together. So

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that conversation was very entertaining. But I think

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Speaker 1: And I and I do believe that there they can

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Speaker 1: go any direction as far as they whatever the board

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Speaker 1: tells them to go. Well, I think it's the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: job here to at least make people think that they

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Speaker 1: love these quarterbacks, right, you know, you want to drive

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Speaker 1: the trade interest, you want to you know, deceive other

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Speaker 1: teams and what you're thinking. So I think they're doing

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Speaker 1: it right by inviting all these quarterbacks in. Yep, same

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Speaker 1: line of thought. Kind of touched on this. Dave wants

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Speaker 1: to know if Cleveland doesn't take a quarterback, right, who

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Speaker 1: do they take? Who's going? Who's going to Cleveland if

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Speaker 1: mean that kind of thing's a Cleveland next got high

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Speaker 1: basing so many of their decisions based on analytics and

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Speaker 1: what the metrics tell them. It comes down to, is

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Speaker 1: there a quarterback at number two they love and we

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Speaker 1: don't know that. No one knows except for Cleveland. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and so if Carson did, I love Carson Wentz, I

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Speaker 1: both these guys. Hugh Jackson he knows more about the

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Speaker 1: that's your pick. I'll make a statement here. I talked

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Speaker 1: admit it if I'm wrong and say, but they like Winz,

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Speaker 1: but they're maybe not gonna pick him at two. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think they like they I mean, and I know

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Speaker 1: buy that absolutely, because, first of all, hockey not like once.

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Speaker 1: There's so much to like about the player and the person,

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Speaker 1: but enough to take him two, enough to kind of,

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Speaker 1: you know, bet the franchise on him. They've had a

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Speaker 1: this this regime does not feel pressured to take a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: You know, they know this is a long term rebuild. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, they do not feel pressured they have to

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Speaker 1: take a quarterback here. They want to build a roster.

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Speaker 1: So it would not shock me at all if they

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Speaker 1: go Jalen Ramsey, mild Jack Ni, if the knee is

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Speaker 1: so that's a possibility as well. So would not shock

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Speaker 1: me to go any of those directions. They still run

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Speaker 1: into three four up there. Yeah, that Ray Horton's their

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Speaker 1: new defensive coordinator, so it'll be a three four base

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Speaker 1: Forrest Buckner at two. I know you got you don't

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Speaker 1: like him? No, like I too, though, Um well, it's

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Speaker 1: kind of touching on that. Vega wanted to know. We

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Speaker 1: talk a lot about Jack and what the medical recheck

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Speaker 1: means if he's cleared, and I'm based on Dane's answer,

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Speaker 1: I think I know, But is he an option, but

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Speaker 1: for those first three picks, if he's cleared, I mean

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Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely. How high can you see him going too? Too? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think Cleveland. Uh. You know, Hugh Jackson went out

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Speaker 1: the other linebacker there, like like a few other guys,

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Speaker 1: but I think specifically wanted to see Miles jack and

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Speaker 1: talk to Miles um even though he wasn't a full

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Speaker 1: workout there, but possibility too. The Chargers, you know, they

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Speaker 1: have talked extensively with Miles Jacks about him being a

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Speaker 1: safety attention, a hybrid version of a safety linebacker. Why not?

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Speaker 1: Why not? Okay, A friend of the show, Tommy, this

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Speaker 1: is a this is a hypothetical if I've ever heard one.

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Speaker 1: But whatever, Uh. If there are no character concerns surrounding

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Speaker 1: Noah Spence, yeah, where's where's he? What's his floor? What's

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Speaker 1: his what's his draft range? If you don't have to

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Speaker 1: worry about that, you know what, I don't think I'm

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Speaker 1: just gonna be I mean, i'mnna be honest here. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's the character concerns of Noah Spence. I

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Speaker 1: think it's I think it's the fact that folks don't

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Speaker 1: know really where to play him. Think so, yeah, you

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Speaker 1: think that means more to teams than the act. I think.

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Speaker 1: I think you need to worry about can Gecha and

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Speaker 1: those kind of guys. I think you need to worry about.

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Speaker 1: To me, Noah Spence's transgressions are far more removed. You

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Speaker 1: are not. I'm not gonna say you're giving this guy

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Speaker 1: a pass, but you are not. Not. But I know,

635
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: but you know what, I watched the kids speak at

636
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: the Combine. He thought it was very composed. He's like,

637
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: they test me all the time. You know, I'm standing up.

638
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: I'm a clean guy. You know. I don't worry about

639
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory if you want to compare to Randy Gregory

640
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: failed a drug tist at the Combines. It's true, you know,

641
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: And I think that. I think it's more about Noah

642
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: Spence is where to play him than it is what

643
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: his issues are off the field, which I don't I

644
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: think are behind him. I think it's both. I mean,

645
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: because once you have an addiction, you know, and we're

646
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: talking about a year and a half ago, not ten

647
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: years ago. So I think it is still fresh enough

648
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: where you have to have to worry about it somewhat,

649
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: you know, I don't. Is it gonna stop you from

650
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: drafting him? No? I mean, but I think it has

651
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: to be fresh in your mind about is it. I

652
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: believe the kids. I know that he failed the drug

653
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: test at the Combine. I don't. I don't believe. I

654
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: didn't believe Randy Gregory. He told Yeah, you're right. I know.

655
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: I called Shenanigans on you for what I last this

656
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: time last year, Randy Gregory. I didn't like Randy Gregory

657
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: the player. He was doing the second round on my board.

658
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: You want to see it. You want to see our board.

659
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: You love that pick, you love that pick. I remember this.

660
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: It was a second round player was und It was

661
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: the same it was at sixty. All I'm trying to

662
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: say is that this time last year, Randy, I believe

663
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: you on that. That's not what I'm talking about. Randy

664
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: Gregory was saying all of the right things. There he

665
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: is Shane Ray over Randy Gregory. Was Randy Gregory not

666
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: giving all the right interviews and saying all the right

667
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: things about putting that behind him. He did. I'm just

668
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: saying he fails. Look where Look where I see him.

669
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: I see him. I see him. No, I'm I think

670
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to get burn. I think you're absolutely

671
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: right about where to play him. The fit um. You know,

672
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: his his issues against the run as he you know,

673
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: I think you said that for I think that's definitely

674
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: part of it. But I know, and we've talked about

675
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: this before. I give Spence a lot of credit for

676
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: instead of bolting for the NFL, he goes down to

677
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: the FCS level. He passes every drug test they give him.

678
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: You talk to former coaches, former teammates. I've done a

679
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: lot of digging on Noah Spence and a lot of

680
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,719
Speaker 1: people go to bat for him. They say he's a

681
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: good person. It just when you're talking about addiction that

682
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,719
Speaker 1: that worries me a little bit. So I think it's

683
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: a little bit of both. I mean both at the

684
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: factor in he's a wild card. He could fall anywhere

685
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: between what ten and six about the box drafts, that's

686
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: what everybody's saying. When you fall at thirty four. If

687
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: he's there at thirty four, my gosh, run to the podium. Okay,

688
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: I mean it could be and people say, oh Jesus

689
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: is Randy Gregory all over. I don't. I don't think

690
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: it is. Well. I mean, look at Shane Ray, how

691
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: he Randy Gregory has issues I would be equally concerned about. Honestly,

692
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: I'd be equally concerned about drafting Spence, not because of

693
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: the drug stuff, but because I think he's a three

694
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: four linebacker, just like I thought Randy Gregory. And that's

695
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: where I am too. That with just trying to tell

696
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: you guys that though I really didn't know where it was,

697
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: my pin at you and it's definitely bigger man. Is

698
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: you're right? Next question? Next question? Where are we? Where

699
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: are we? Where are we? Jedi wants to know what position,

700
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: if any, could you see the Cowboys double dipping in

701
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:22,919
Speaker 1: this draft? M I would say cornerback if it were

702
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: my call, could be somewhere along to defense. I mean,

703
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: if you talk about Bosa and you turn around and

704
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: what if they got a first round guy, what if

705
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 1: they got a first round grade on the Clemson kid Dodd? Yeah, yeah,

706
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 1: they could have they you know, Dodd came on a visit.

707
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: We've all got dot at thirty four at least I do.

708
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: Somebody asked me, Hey, what's your ideal two picks? I'll

709
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,919
Speaker 1: take Zeke and I'll take Dot don't. Yeah, some people

710
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: have Dodd in the top ten, man, I don't Dodd's

711
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: your ideal at thirty four, Like that's your yeah list

712
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: for we take him at thirty I'm not saying because

713
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: I don't, because I don't think there's gonna be a receiver. Yeah,

714
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: unless you like, I could say, my guy Dots and

715
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 1: I think he's going to go in the first round

716
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: seeking Dodd would be Fuller was here, you know, I

717
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm I'm not on the Dodd train. I

718
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: guess I like him okay mid second round, but I

719
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: don't know. He's not What does he do really really well?

720
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 1: I mean he does a lot of things pretty well,

721
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: but not nothing like really well. Doesn't have the distinguishing trait.

722
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: I don't know. He's not a great athlete. I don't know.

723
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I've seen. It's just exhaust But

724
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: it's the same way I feel about Bosa. So we're

725
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: okay with this, and that's part of the disagreement in life.

726
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: But in the second I think DoD can capture the edge.

727
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: I do think he can turn the corner. Yeah, I

728
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,879
Speaker 1: do think he could. He could he could play the run.

729
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 1: I think he could do those things. I think he can.

730
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess it's okay. I'm not trying

731
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 1: to no no. When you're talking second round though, that's

732
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,919
Speaker 1: the type of player you're probably going to find, you know, Dodds.

733
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: I don't think DoD's a future pro bowler, but in

734
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: a second round you're looking for solid starters, and that's

735
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: what he can be. You play on my left end,

736
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: and you played Bosa at left end too. Yeah, so

737
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 1: in your scenario, you're drafting two left end spences and

738
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: then you got so you'd have Gregory and d Law

739
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: play right. Yeah, I would do cornerback or uh bits

740
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 1: at Mayawa. There's only Oh yeah, I forgot. I forgot

741
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 1: about him. Yeah. I mean that's the thing, and that's

742
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: why I said cornerback. I'm not saying the defensive line.

743
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: I think double I think they could double dip at

744
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: I think they could double dip at defensive line. Yeah,

745
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: and that makes sense. I don't think they double dip.

746
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: And you said corner though, right. The thing the thing

747
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: that they draft Ramsey though, it's it's Ramsey's gonna play corner. Yeah.

748
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: And I mean, and then you could probably and yeah

749
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: and another guy. Yeah. I just when you look at

750
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: the D line, I'm not saying any of them are studs,

751
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: but most of them have long term futures here. Most

752
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: of them are under contract. You got bodies? What you

753
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: got nothing at corner? Actually mailback question? Yeah, that was

754
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: a mailback. We got Scandrick and maybe Byron. That's fair. Uh. Yeah,

755
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 1: So that's what's thinking. Okay, Greg wants to know if

756
00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: the verse three picks go Tonsil, Jack Ramsey, tons So

757
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: Jack Ramsey, that's all all the quarterbacks are on the board.

758
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: What are you doing? I'm going Bosa. I mean, that's

759
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 1: my top three players in this draft are Tunsil, Jack Ramsey.

760
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: That's exactly how it's been since January for me. And

761
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: I'm not changing. My number four player in this draft

762
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 1: is Joey Bosa. And so that's the that's direction I'm going.

763
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: You're taking a quarterback taking a quarterback? I Well, I'll

764
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: tell you what I can. I can make an argument

765
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: for Elliott. I can make it all right, because he's

766
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: my second best player on the quarterback. He's taken. Well,

767
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: he knew I love a Lynch. Okay, I don't love it,

768
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,959
Speaker 1: and I've been against it all year, But if if

769
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: Goff was there for I think I'd probably pull the trigger,

770
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: especially because they've done nothing to address QB two. So

771
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: we think, we think though they could take a quarterback

772
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: probability fifty fifty or better, they take a quarterback over Zeke.

773
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: If it's between a quarterback and Zeke, I think they'd

774
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 1: take the quarterback, honestly, assuming they love one of them,

775
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: which they gotta love at least one of the three.

776
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: I don't how do we know. I mean, I don't

777
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: know how he could have any good feeling about that,

778
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: because I can brought him all in. Yeah, I can

779
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: make a strong case for both ways. I mean, you

780
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: need a quarterback Hackenburg at thirty four. Heck no, I

781
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: don't want him. A cook I would take, Yeah, I

782
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: don't know if i'd take him that early. If you've

783
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: got your choice of quarterbacks and you got the situation

784
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: they've got it running back, they're gonna they will take

785
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: if all three of them are there, I feel like

786
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: they would take one. I really kind of do at

787
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 1: four over Zeke. I love Zekete, best player. I love

788
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: Zeke to death. I I just don't believe they'll take

789
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 1: him at four. I don't care what happens. I agree,

790
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 1: I don't believe they'll take him at four, even if

791
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: it's a night sitting there in the look good, Yeah,

792
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: he look good. He looked like he just wanted to

793
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 1: put on a uniform and go and play for them.

794
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: They'll take him at six, they take him at eight,

795
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: they take him at ten. They will not take him

796
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: at four. I just don't believe it. I agree, So

797
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: I yeah, question by the quarter music. Question one more

798
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: and then we gotta go okay, um okay, y'all are

799
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: gonna hate me. I actually saved this one for last

800
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: because I know we'd get to it. Josh wants an

801
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: update on how you feel about Cardel Jones. The question

802
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: it is for me. It is for me. I didn't

803
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: actually think we'd get to this question. But whatever Cardinal Jones,

804
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: it really bothers me that they didn't even bring him in.

805
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: I mean, they brought in six quarterbacks when you and

806
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: all of you don't like right, I mean, I don't

807
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: like him as much as I like twelve gage. Let

808
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: me tell you this, and and when we do the

809
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: show again next year, we'll we'll say. Duly noted on

810
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: Cardlo Jones, he does have the strongest arm, but talking

811
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: to some scouts, I honestly seeing it, reading it, doing it.

812
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: I still I still love him. I'm gonna ride with him,

813
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: but I have yet to find somebody who's really got

814
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: a positive opinion of what he could be. Yeah, I

815
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: was staying Homer here. I'm good. Cardel Jones is fine,

816
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: I mean physically sure, brings everything you want. Man Brandon

817
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: Allen or Cardinal Jones. Brandon Allen easy, I mean Cardil Jones.

818
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: A Does it mean anything to y'all that the kid

819
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: has played in eleven games compared to like the Hackenburgs

820
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: and Allen's of the world, who have played in forty years.

821
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: Every bid is concerning, and he played three full years

822
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: at pick senator from Florida. Duly noted, Yeah, I do

823
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 1: have Cardel Jones ahead of PRIs set, so I would

824
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: take him there. But Cardel Jones is my number nine

825
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: quarterback in this draft. There you go. If Cardel Jones

826
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: goes into a situation where nobody's accounting on him for

827
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: anything for two or three years, I think he could

828
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: be pretty much. I'd love to see him go to

829
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: an Arizona. You know, sit behind Carson Palmer. He used

830
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 1: to play in the eight in the It's the It's

831
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: Oregon's Quartern Adams. He's got to be better. He's got

832
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: to be better than Logan Thomas. All right, Logan Thomas

833
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: was a pretty high draft pick. All right, I got you.

834
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,760
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Speaker 1: days to the NFL Draft. Uh, we're gonna talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit of we want to take calls eight eight

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Speaker 1: do or tell me more. But I do want to

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Speaker 1: take some calls. So if you're out there, this will

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Speaker 1: be an opportunity for you to get on board. And

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Speaker 1: I will let you know that when we do so.

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Speaker 1: So Dave tell me more. All right, we got how many?

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Speaker 1: We we're gonna do? Three? All right, free guys, We're

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Speaker 1: gonna start off because I've been putting this off, but

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Speaker 1: Dallas day is a great day to do it. Shout

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Speaker 1: out to my Red Raiders. Tell me more about Jachem

888
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: Grant Jachem Grant, Guy. I wish I would have got

889
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Speaker 1: a Combine invite or ante to one of these All

890
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: Star games just to see him more, because he's such

891
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 1: an electric athlete. I mean at school, David, my school,

892
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: he killed l It's trying to tackle smoke. I mean,

893
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: that's the type of ball carrier is so moke. The

894
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Speaker 1: one thing I worry about is he didn't return punts

895
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Speaker 1: in college, and so if he's going to make it

896
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Speaker 1: in the NFL, he needs to be able to be

897
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Speaker 1: an impact return man. We know we could do on

898
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Speaker 1: kick returns, but the kick return is devalued in the

899
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Speaker 1: NFL these days, so it's more about the punt return.

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Speaker 1: And Kenny add that, you know, versatility to you know,

901
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: his toolbox be more valuable. So if he can do

902
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Speaker 1: that and win that job in training camp, you know,

903
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Speaker 1: I think he could be a better version of a

904
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 1: Lucky Whitehead. Yeah. I really enjoyed watching him play at tape.

905
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Speaker 1: The tape is the tape is electric, you know, and

906
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Speaker 1: and uh, you know they do a good job of

907
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Speaker 1: getting him the football, getting him in space, and allowing

908
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Speaker 1: him to make those types of plays. You're absolutely right,

909
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: exactly and when he when he you know, and that's

910
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Speaker 1: in this game. I mean you've said it before. How

911
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: does a guy play in space? When you when you

912
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: watch when you know, when you watch tape, how does

913
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Speaker 1: a guy play in space? And he is one of

914
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Speaker 1: those guys that's special with the football in his hands.

915
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: So yeah, god, he's my size. Yeah he's five five, Yeah,

916
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Speaker 1: he's that. I'm like five five five six. Yeah. But

917
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: if you don't run four three one, you know what's

918
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: he that's faster or faster? He's from the area. Yeah,

919
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: if he doesn't get drafted, I like the odds that

920
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Speaker 1: he takes a call from Derek Dooley. There is a

921
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Speaker 1: priority for we'll see. I mean he's but he's special

922
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Speaker 1: with the ball in his hands in space. Um, small

923
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Speaker 1: school special. We've maybe mentioned this guy. Tell me more

924
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Speaker 1: about Montana's Tyrone Holmes. I know you and uh Katie

925
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: were pretty high on him a week or two. A great,

926
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Speaker 1: good player, Yeah he is. He he's the FCS defensive

927
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Speaker 1: player of the year. Um, somehow got snubbed for a

928
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: combine invite. And this is a player that last year

929
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Speaker 1: at eighteen sacks twenty two tackles for loss. Um He's

930
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: really good at staying low off the snap, driving his

931
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Speaker 1: hands and converting that first step into power, and so

932
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: he can put guys on their heels and really disrupt

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Speaker 1: what's going on in the pocket. You watched him against

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Speaker 1: North Dakota State. Yeah, you know, he takes down Carson

935
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Speaker 1: Wentz a couple of different times. Yeah, at least gets

936
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Speaker 1: some spooked in the pockets. So to me, I've got

937
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Speaker 1: him somewhere in the mid rounds. I think he's a

938
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Speaker 1: you know, could be a valuable pass rusher as a rookie. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Where do you have him? Right? Yeah, I'm with you

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Speaker 1: on that. I had him in the like four five.

941
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Speaker 1: There's my round of my I have all my my

942
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Speaker 1: undersize guys in the fourth and fifth round. I'm really

943
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Speaker 1: in the fourth round when you talk about let me

944
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Speaker 1: see who I got there, like Nicholas o'chee, Holmes, Perkins,

945
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Speaker 1: all my kind of my undersized guys all there in

946
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Speaker 1: the fourth round. But this kid in danger, right. You

947
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: can watch he went up in weight class though a

948
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Speaker 1: little bit because he was at an All Star game,

949
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Speaker 1: so you see him kind of getting a little bit.

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Speaker 1: But against North Dakota State, Wentz is trying to stand

951
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Speaker 1: in the pocket and this guy screaming off his left

952
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Speaker 1: left side right there and harassing him the whole day.

953
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Speaker 1: So yeah, the boat or just doesn't que never quit

954
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Speaker 1: on draft, like on Friday or Saturday, Saturday afternoon, the

955
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Speaker 1: Cowboys are gonna draft a kid from app State and

956
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Speaker 1: Montana and like Joe and Flower Mounds just gonna be pissed,

957
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Speaker 1: But our listeners are gonna be pumped. Like, yeah, they're

958
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: gonna know Joe. Start listening another small school special. You

959
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Speaker 1: might have heard of this guy thanks to our buddy

960
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: Mike Mayock. Tell me more about Akron's j Tavis Brown.

961
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: We've talked about him quite a bit on here. I

962
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: mean he was my number one combine snub and so

963
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: I remember we talked about him back then. Yeah, mayok

964
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 1: now put him in his top five. That's a little

965
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: tire draft a little bit linebacker the linebackers. Yeah, did

966
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: he split him up inside outside? No, he just put him.

967
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: He put him in there. It's one of the linebackers. Hey,

968
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: that's great. I mean he's he moves faster than you know,

969
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 1: most linebackers are supposed to move. The problem is he's

970
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 1: the size of a safety, and so how does he fit.

971
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: I think at worse you're talking about a guy that

972
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Speaker 1: can be a special team's ace. But that type of

973
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: speed and the way he hits, the way he closes

974
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 1: his outstanding. So at worse you're getting a special teams

975
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 1: guy's going to show up day in day out. But

976
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: where does he fit on defense? I thought about play

977
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: him as a will linebacker and just letting him run.

978
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: I mean, that's his best that's that's when you trust

979
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 1: him as a starter. I don't see that well. I

980
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: mean this is where Mayott gets a little crazy. He

981
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: does all that work up to a point and then

982
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he starts listening to guys and

983
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: it messes his board. But uh yeah, but he's this

984
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: kid's an outstanding player. I don't know if he's one

985
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: of the top five linebackers in this this draft class.

986
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: But Dane's right about the ability to run, to go

987
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: to chase, to get to the football wrap up. You

988
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: actually seen him playing coverage. He'll carry her out and

989
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: for a short guy knows how to play off hand.

990
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: So you know, what's his size? What is his size?

991
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Speaker 1: Five ten five? I believe, Yeah, you're all right, about

992
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,919
Speaker 1: that was in your book. And so we're the guys

993
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: we just talked about are the most likely non combined

994
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Speaker 1: guys he get draft at first? You know Jativa's round, Uh,

995
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: Tyron Home. I think Kevin Byard from Middle Tennessee safety. Yeah,

996
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: these are non combined guys who have a chance to

997
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Speaker 1: be the first guys drafted that weren't at the combine. Okay,

998
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: throw me one more, Um, tell me more about Bennett Okacha,

999
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: cornerback ut San Antonio, Oklahoma transfer. Yeah. I kind of

1000
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: like this guy. Yeah, I like him. I don't he

1001
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: doesn't have the necessary speed that I'm looking for a

1002
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: corner right. I think he plays the ball well. I

1003
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: think he has ball skills. Um, you see the ball

1004
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: awareness that that's off the charts. Yeah. Um. Can he

1005
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: make up for false steps? Yeah? And that's what I

1006
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: worry about with him. I think he's gonna get kind

1007
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 1: of uh you know, blown by at the line of

1008
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: scrange by some of these NFL wide receivers if he

1009
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: gets put on an island. But he has some talent

1010
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: to work with. When you're talking the later rounds, it

1011
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: might be a guy or you know, take a chance

1012
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: on five eleven and four or five five. Yeah, and

1013
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: the key, what Dane says, is transfer from Oka home

1014
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Speaker 1: that so he so, Yeah, one time he was playing

1015
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: big time football and I just was looking down on

1016
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Speaker 1: my notes, So I did I saw the range. I

1017
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Speaker 1: did see some ketchup speed positioning routes. He turns his

1018
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: head to find the ball. But the burst. You know,

1019
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: there was some some positive traits about him. I understand

1020
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Speaker 1: what Dane is talking about though, being on an island

1021
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: and all that, but but the whole thing with Oklahoma,

1022
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Speaker 1: some positive traits make him a guy like Dane says

1023
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: that you could see a little bit later in a

1024
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Speaker 1: draft round. What great deal have on him? I had

1025
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Speaker 1: him in the sixth I gave him PFA. He's my

1026
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: first PFA among the corners, so I was borderline seventh

1027
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 1: or a PFA. So I'm close there with you. Yeah.

1028
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: One thing with him when you're talking corners, I think

1029
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: something that translates his passes defended, you know, sacks with

1030
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Speaker 1: pass rogers, tackles with linebackers. The thing that translates more

1031
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: than anything I think is passes defended with with corners.

1032
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: And he he had thirty passes defended the last three

1033
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Speaker 1: years and thirty one starts, and so that's a good number.

1034
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Speaker 1: It is a good number. I like. I like hearing

1035
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: PFA about local guys because it gives the cowboys a

1036
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: great shot at and you know what good shot that

1037
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: he's out there working right now on at and T's

1038
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: at the stadium and being a part of that. Okay, Dave,

1039
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 1: thanks so much for tell me more. I always appreciate that.

1040
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: Hope we educated everybody a little bit on that. All right, kid, Kerrison, Yo,

1041
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: welcome to the program. Thank you, sir. All Right, we're

1042
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: gonna take some calls here now the last ten minutes

1043
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: of the show. We need you to line them up.

1044
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: We're all doing well here in the studio and be

1045
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: nice to kn't so can't take it away. Kleotis in Pennsylvania.

1046
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: You're on the Draft show, all right, I know you

1047
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: guys are good. I'm good, so let's jump right in.

1048
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Speaker 1: Thank you. Well, i'd like to hear from each of

1049
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: you your best case scenarios for the first two rounds,

1050
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: assuming they stay put. No trading, okay, not what you

1051
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 1: think they're doing in the war room with the twenty eighth,

1052
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: but what you personally like to accomplish, and if you

1053
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: could have give a brief reason as to why you

1054
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: think they'll fit and really quick, I'll kick off. My

1055
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: first two guy at the top of my draft board

1056
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: is Miles Jack. Okay, I think you're playing as Sam

1057
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: h you play him at the nickel you take uh

1058
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: um McClane off the field during nickel packages, right, um?

1059
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: And at number two, since they did sign um, well,

1060
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:20,479
Speaker 1: what's his name? The Jack? The other Jack Crawford? Yeah, Um, back,

1061
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: I'll switch out to Dan instead of d tackle and

1062
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: I'll take either Emmanuel Ogba or Kevin Dott whoever's there. Okay,

1063
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: thank you very much, appreciate the call. Solid got him too.

1064
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:38,399
Speaker 1: Let's for this exercise, let's assume Miles Jack's healthy. Yeah,

1065
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 1: and if that's the case, I'm gonna go Miles Jack

1066
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: at four. Um, you know for all the reasons. Uh

1067
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: you know that was just said. The number two A

1068
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: couple of different directions you could go here. I'm gonna say,

1069
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: say Xavian Howard Baylor'd like to see him Jack and

1070
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: Howard Dave you got a thought on this one? Yeah, Well,

1071
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: I'm this is what I want, right, not what they're

1072
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: gonna do. Yeah, sign me up for Zeke at for

1073
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: hate on Haters. Uh, and I actually um, I would say,

1074
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: you know, I would say, like Corey Coleman, I don't

1075
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: think he'll be there. Uh. Actually I like I like

1076
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: Xavien Howard. Two. I mocked him as our as my

1077
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: second round guy in our magazine mock, so I'll sign

1078
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: me up for for Xavian as well. And two I

1079
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: also like Miles Jack At One. For me, I'm caught

1080
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: between taking Dixon from Louisiana Tech the running back, and

1081
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 1: potentially taking Vaughan Bell, the safety from Ohio State, so

1082
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: Joseph might be in there in that mix. Two, I

1083
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: will say that I like Dixon bet or so for me,

1084
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 1: I'll go Jack and Dixon as my two guys that

1085
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: I would take. Uh in as the best case scenario,

1086
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: I would say, as a quick caveat, I don't legitimately

1087
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 1: believe they would take Zeke best case scenario for them,

1088
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: I would oh, no, it's too we would take But yeah,

1089
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: I would say, I would say Ramsey, I think they

1090
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: would take him, and that would Ramsey. He could have

1091
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: said Bosa he could you know, there could have been

1092
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: a lot of Yeah, we could have set a lot

1093
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 1: of different things. I mean, we could have said should

1094
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: be ze all. I can't Bob in New Jersey. Go ahead,

1095
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: how you guys don't great? My favorite player is Buckner,

1096
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 1: and I was wondering how you think he would hold

1097
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: up that left defensive end and then move Lawrence over

1098
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: to the right side. Okay, thank you very much for

1099
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,399
Speaker 1: the call. That's kind of what that's that's the plan.

1100
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: That'd be the scenario if they do add Buckner and

1101
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 1: it's not worse. I mean, that's not a bad option. Um.

1102
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: I'm not a huge Buckner fan. At four, I like

1103
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: him better than a three to four bos is a

1104
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: better player than Buckner at four? I think, so, yeah,

1105
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: can you kick Buckner to end to tackle? Not all

1106
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 1: the time, but that's yeah, that's what he's I mean,

1107
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: I thought about him being like a one. I mean,

1108
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 1: he he sounds like a more talented David Irving in

1109
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: terms of size and skill set. That's kind of yeah,

1110
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 1: it's just better body control and better just overall. As

1111
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: athletic says him, Clias Campbell like, and that's what you're

1112
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: looking like with the great three four defensive end right

1113
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: head up five and gap. It's really easy to write

1114
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 1: him off because he doesn't fit the scheme, and they

1115
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: let us talk to him. But I mean they did

1116
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,919
Speaker 1: bring him in here. They brought him in for sure

1117
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 1: he did, so sure he did. He wouldn't be here

1118
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: if there was And we talked him at the combine

1119
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: two about he says, hey, four three teams, we're talking

1120
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: about him inside. So all right, ken't Seth and san

1121
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: Antonio Seth? Yes? Yes, um So, I heard a report

1122
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: today that the Cowboys have acquired about the number one

1123
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: overall pick. If it is true and they do pull

1124
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 1: the trigger to move up to number one, who do

1125
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,879
Speaker 1: you think it would be? Thanks taking my call on ahead, listen,

1126
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 1: I don't know that's next year's one going to somebody.

1127
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: But we talked about I mean, if you just play

1128
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: the chart, if you play their chart, it's next year's one.

1129
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: If they're willing to give the pick away, there's no way. Yeah,

1130
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: you're not giving up next year's one to move up

1131
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: three spots. Does not happening not happen on their chart,

1132
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: It would say, dude, I don't care. I know, and

1133
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: I know you don't play the chart, not in a

1134
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: top ten because you know, especially this year the top ten,

1135
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: kind us strong pick him somebody at one. Let's say,

1136
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: let's say pick them somebody at one. If they're going

1137
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: up to one, it has to be for a quarterbacks debate.

1138
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: It has to be. They're not drafting Tonsil at one.

1139
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: They don't mean they don't need him, right? What else

1140
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: are they going to do there? And Jalen Rams is

1141
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: a very nice player, but not worth giving away next

1142
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: year's one. Considering you could be sitting there at four

1143
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: and maybe get Jayalen if they are positively enamored with

1144
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 1: wins or golf or in some weird universe Lynch, that

1145
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: would have to be what they You would go for

1146
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 1: the court, you'd make the move, only get the quarterback

1147
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 1: if you're if you're the Cowboys and you like Wentz

1148
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: quite a bit. Okay, does it scare you that the

1149
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: Eagles are maybe talking the Titans to move up the

1150
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: number one? Is? That could give you extra incentives? Let

1151
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: me let me let me tell you this, do it?

1152
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: I am I get rid of your future draft picks

1153
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: to draft a quarterbacks? Your opinion? Oh no, my opinion.

1154
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: If I'm a Cowboy fan, go get Winch, go get it,

1155
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: go go. If it doesn't makes drafts if it takes you,

1156
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: you don't have a two and you're going and you're

1157
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 1: giving next year's one. But I'm saying, if you're this

1158
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 1: team and you like but if you like Wins, okay,

1159
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 1: if yeah, if you're looking at him at four and saying, hey,

1160
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 1: we'd really like it if Winz falls to four, If

1161
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: Wentz is there at four, we're gonna take him. Does

1162
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: it worry you a little bit that the Eagles are

1163
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 1: looking at him possibly trading up. Does that give you

1164
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: extra incentive to possibly move up? No? I don't think so.

1165
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't believe that they like any

1166
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks that much. Yeah, the fact that they

1167
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: brought six of them in I think tells you that too.

1168
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I agree that they're they're they're throwing a

1169
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: big wide net and they're gonna try and grab one.

1170
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: But go get Wins and keep Zeke out of the

1171
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: NF So it's a good question, though, I mean, it doesn't.

1172
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: It doesn't if they're If it'sn't, if it's for true

1173
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: to go get Wins. I can me personally looking at

1174
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: how we've had them graded, right, I'm okay with that

1175
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: you're taking my third quarterback off the board. Go forth?

1176
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: Probably no, I know you would, But say this team

1177
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: is set at okay. You know, if I say, we're

1178
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: gonna take Wins if he's there at four. If he's not,

1179
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: we'll go We're okay, go in a different direction. But

1180
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: if Winz is there at four, we're going to take it.

1181
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 1: If they say that wins is their best quarterback and

1182
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: they then they and they let the Eagles trade on him,

1183
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll hear about that. Yeah, I'm sure we'll

1184
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: hear about that would be the only way they'd be

1185
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 1: trading up right. I think I heard a room and

1186
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: as a rumor, unsubstantiated, but maybe Fletcher Cox would like

1187
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: play a role in some kind of trade to get

1188
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: up there. You do almost have to, because I mean, hey,

1189
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: without a second round pick, get rid of your best

1190
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: defender and a bunch of draft picks to go get

1191
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz. Go for it. Yah, yeah, go all day.

1192
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: Yeah take if you take, hey take, yeah, take Fletcher

1193
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: Cox out out of this division. I'm off that. All right?

1194
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 1: We got time for one more kit? Yeah, Norman in

1195
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: silver spring, go ahead, Hi, guys, think for taking a

1196
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: call Um. Last week, you guys were discussing wide receivers,

1197
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:43,959
Speaker 1: and I don't think you've talked too much about Perlin's Shepherd. Okay,

1198
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: I wanted to get your thoughts on him. Do you

1199
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: think he's a possibility at thirty four? If not, do

1200
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: you think he could maybe fall to sixty seven? Also?

1201
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: Do you view him primarily as a spot receiver? You

1202
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: know a lot of people do, but I think you

1203
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: can maybe play maybe playing the Alps side. I'm curious

1204
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: to see how you guys talking about him regarding that,

1205
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: and if you think he's just a spot receiver, that's

1206
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 1: having Cole Beasley possibly preclude the Cowboys from from really

1207
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: considered him. Okay, thanks great call appreciate that. I almost

1208
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: instead of Zavian Howard, I almost said Sterling Ship. Yeah,

1209
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: I always Coleman, Thomas, Shepherd, Fuller, kind of those names

1210
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: in the second round. I don't know how you have

1211
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: Shepherd's my number five. It's funny, Shepherd when we started

1212
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: this whole process, he started as my number nine receiver.

1213
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 1: And the more I watch, more I watch, he just

1214
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 1: kept climbing. Yeah. Braxon Miller got so much love with

1215
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. Yeah, remind Mellins from last year. Yeah, anyway,

1216
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: it's the Harden nothing. No, I'm with you. He I

1217
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 1: got him in the second round. I think that if

1218
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 1: you'd start talking at thirty four, I don't think he

1219
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: gets to sixty seven, anything can happen. I don't see

1220
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: I don't see him get the sixty seven. And I

1221
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: think he's better than just a slot receiver. I agree,

1222
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: because yeah, yeah, because he has the one trade he

1223
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: has is his elusiveness. Yeah, he could, because he could.

1224
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 1: He could fly across the field. You could put him

1225
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: on the move, get him vertical. I've seen him make

1226
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: vertical plays. You can get him inside. You could bring

1227
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 1: him down and run him on the arrows and drags

1228
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Inside across. He can be depressed,

1229
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: he could be out. I think of him the same

1230
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 1: way I think of Derrick Henry, which is, don't love

1231
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: it at thirty four. Won't be there at sixty seven.

1232
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 1: He won't be there at sixty seven though. Good job,

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