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Speaker 1: How's it going, everybody? Welcome to another episode of I

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Speaker 1: Saw What You Did.

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Speaker 2: My name is Millie to Jericho, I'm Daniel Henderson, and

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Speaker 2: we're back.

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Speaker 3: With you again to talk about movies.

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Speaker 2: I hope you're ready. So yeah, dude, what's up?

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 2: Not much? How's your week going? It's okay.

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Speaker 1: I've been thinking a little bit more about like rejoining

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Speaker 1: a gym.

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Speaker 4: Ooh, okay. We went from eyebrows to hair to jim.

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Speaker 4: You are back, baby.

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Speaker 1: I'm not fully back because I'm like still terrified to

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Speaker 1: go into buildings with other people.

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Speaker 2: But you know, this is the thing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like, you know, obviously, like I have not

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Speaker 1: fucking exercised in over a year, like in any kind

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Speaker 1: of major way, and if you want to get down

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Speaker 1: to brass tacks, I actually haven't exercise. I've not been

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Speaker 1: and that was about two years ago. So for the

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Speaker 1: past two years, you know, I've been really struggling. You know,

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Speaker 1: the first year after the surgeries and stuff, like, I was,

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of going back and doing things here

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Speaker 1: and there. I wasn't doing my fucking like two a

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Speaker 1: day's five days a week type of shit that I

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Speaker 4: I don't even know what a two a day is.

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Speaker 4: That's how much I haven't been to a gym.

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Speaker 3: It's basically when you work out twice in a day.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry what that was almost a spit take because

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Speaker 4: I was taking a sip.

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Speaker 2: Of my tea. Yes, sorry, why tell me?

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Speaker 1: Well, because for me, it was like, oh, I would

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Speaker 1: go in the morning to either go to my personal

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Speaker 1: would have like the dance class later on another evening.

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Speaker 2: Uh okay.

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Speaker 1: You know, sometimes it's like people do like, yeah, they'll

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Speaker 3: But you know, sometimes it's like a morning and an evening.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's really only applies to athletes because athletes

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Speaker 1: work out like multiple times a day almost every day.

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Speaker 1: But then like stupid idiot people at the gym have

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Speaker 1: But also now I'm saying it, so I can't really

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Speaker 4: Like I've been here four times today, so suck it,

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Speaker 4: I know, but.

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Speaker 1: It's really like, yeah, I've not been back into that

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Speaker 3: But then like pandemic style, man, it.

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Speaker 1: Was like I think it was really just sort of

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Speaker 2: So I was kind of enjoying it. I was like, oh, man,

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Speaker 2: this is awesome.

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Speaker 1: I don't have to like wake up early on a

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Speaker 2: This is awesome.

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Speaker 1: But now I've realized that I need to go back.

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Speaker 1: I need to get back into physical activity just for

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Speaker 4: Well, this is the thing that you've always told me,

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's not vanity whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: Trust me.

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Speaker 1: It's really more about you know, my physicality, like being

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Speaker 1: So yeah, And I have noticed like during the pandemic,

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Speaker 1: I'm definitely a social exerciser. Is that a a social

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Speaker 4: That's what I think when I hear social exerciser exactly.

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Speaker 2: But it makes total sense.

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Speaker 4: It makes total sense, and I think that it's I

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Speaker 4: I'm just like, fuck it, I'm too far gone, which

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Speaker 4: I own I own a treadmill. It's not as bad

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Speaker 2: I am meandering at best. In my own home, I

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Speaker 1: So there's an exercise bike in my parents' house and

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Speaker 2: We'll pull it out. This is for you.

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Speaker 3: It's in the middle of the room. You can literally

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Speaker 1: It's it's not a fancy peloton, but it's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: And that's literally all they all they actually gets is

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Speaker 4: You're like, fuck, these cats are now like glaring at

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Speaker 4: I fully think that it's a great idea. I know

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Speaker 2: I think it's totally fine.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I will explore my options and I will update

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Speaker 1: The pandemic has really stripped me of my identity. I

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Speaker 2: And I want you to be.

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Speaker 4: I want you to crack that Bob seeger t shirt

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Speaker 4: to a day's every day.

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Speaker 2: Everyone knows your name.

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Speaker 4: The bodybuilders are like, damn Millet, like I want that

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Speaker 2: Review in this gym.

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Speaker 4: Plus I selfishly just want to know what's going on

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Speaker 1: There's a character in my movie today that wears no shirt.

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Speaker 1: That's what's happening in the bass ships.

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Speaker 4: And I hope it's true that for you would be

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Speaker 4: an incredible opportunity you're going to have. You're gonna have

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Speaker 4: so many friends on the back of this. If you

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Speaker 2: It's going to be great.

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Speaker 3: They're all hungry enough to chew the crosh out of

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Speaker 4: Well, I have nothing going on in my week that

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Speaker 2: Guys, we'll want to shit I can't talk about.

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Speaker 4: But this mail bag did make me think of something

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Speaker 4: that I do want to talk about. So we have

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Speaker 4: an email that begins Hi, Milli and Danielle. First off,

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Speaker 4: thank you for being hilarious and keeping me entertained as

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Speaker 4: I work through a series of spreadsheets that are slowly

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Speaker 4: trying to cause my brain to atrophy. I was listening

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Speaker 4: to the discussion about Wonder Boys and Millie's extremely accurate

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Speaker 4: description of what it is like to be in a

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Speaker 4: writing class when like a knife to my heart, Danielle

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Speaker 4: says that she has never taken a writing class. Danielle,

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Speaker 4: did you block out crossing borders, women writing their lives

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Speaker 4: in our senior year at Uri the memoir writing class

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Speaker 4: that haunts me to this day, so I understand if

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Speaker 4: it has been erased anyway. I hope you're well, and

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Speaker 4: as always, you're so funny and talented mel First off, Meil, Hello,

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Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, I miss you so much.

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Speaker 2: I miss Nelly we had.

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Speaker 4: I was a Women's studies and English literature major when

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Speaker 4: I went back to school and mel and I graduated

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Speaker 4: in the same class. And guess what I won? One

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Speaker 4: hundred percent blocked out that class. And not only that,

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Speaker 4: I blocked out another that made me think of another

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Speaker 4: writing class I took in college. I was a travel

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Speaker 4: writing class that I took for my travel requirement. Oh

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Speaker 4: my god, I've taken two writing classes in my life

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Speaker 4: and I forgot both of them.

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Speaker 2: And here's what it.

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Speaker 4: Brought me to think about that I wanted to talk

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Speaker 4: to you about, because I'm surprised that Melanie even remembered

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Speaker 4: the name of the class. Yes, is there anything about

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Speaker 4: do you remember anything about college that's like, this is

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Speaker 4: I was in college for way too long to forget

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I couldn't tell you then.

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Speaker 1: Well maybe, well now I'm thinking that's grad school, not

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Speaker 4: Not only do I remember learning it, I remember four

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Speaker 4: That is That's the thing. I remember everything I read.

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Speaker 1: But I love how Mail just like took you to

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, all right, Danielle.

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Speaker 3: So guess what we have another recurring theme this week.

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Speaker 2: Dope. Yeah, So we've.

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Speaker 1: I don't like to pick favorites amongst all of our children,

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Speaker 4: We can have a off podcast called Changing Female Friendships.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's what's interesting about these two

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Speaker 2: I love them.

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Speaker 4: All. I've seen a million changing for female friendship movies

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Speaker 4: friendship changes I'm looking for. Thank you so much for

444
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,080
Speaker 4: that book I have. I have plans for the week now.

445
00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:52,040
Speaker 2: Well good. I know.

446
00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:56,640
Speaker 1: I knew you would understand and enjoy the source material,

447
00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 1: So I'm glad that we're now going to have this

448
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,199
Speaker 1: experience of reading this hilarious book together.

449
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, get ready for some screenshots and some text

450
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,440
Speaker 4: for sure, exactly for sure.

451
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,440
Speaker 2: But let's talk about the movies first.

452
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,320
Speaker 4: I think that my film is easily one of my

453
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,200
Speaker 4: top ten favorites, and it has been from the first

454
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:18,000
Speaker 4: time I saw it.

455
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, so good, all right, you ready, Yeah, I'm ready.

456
00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:27,119
Speaker 4: My film for the theme of changing female friendships was

457
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,440
Speaker 4: released in nineteen ninety four, written and directed by PJ.

458
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:36,119
Speaker 2: Hogan and the movie is Muriel's Wedding. We'll stick with

459
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 2: me because I'm wicked too. RONI changed my line.

460
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:41,200
Speaker 4: Sure.

461
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, I'm on a line with Muriels.

462
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:53,399
Speaker 2: This movie is so unique, it's so good. PJ.

463
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 4: Hogan has also directed things like My best Friend's Wedding,

464
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,119
Speaker 4: Confessions of a Shopaholic.

465
00:21:58,240 --> 00:21:59,200
Speaker 2: Like he's had a good career.

466
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 4: I make it sound like he's gone, Like he's still alive,

467
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,440
Speaker 4: like he had a good run, good lucky jas he's

468
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 4: still with us. It's fine. But this film was just incendiary.

469
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 4: From the moment my eye it blazed across my eyes.

470
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,440
Speaker 4: It's just so good. So this is a film that

471
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 4: stars two actresses that would go on to be very

472
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 4: heavy hitters, Tony Collette and Rachel Griffiths, who was the

473
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 4: dance Mavin of the school in Step Up.

474
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,879
Speaker 5: She was the j Jiller. She was the origin of

475
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 5: the j Jiller. Remember she was the Jay Diller. Yes,

476
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 5: never forget the Jay Diller. Never also too, you know

477
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 5: how like they have.

478
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 1: There was a tumbler back in the day called like

479
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 1: cast this family, and it was basically like taking okay

480
00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 1: if Rachel Griffiths in this movie and Juliet Lewis from

481
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 1: the nineties didn't appear to a movie together as sisters.

482
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 3: Y'all missed an opportunity. That's all I have to say.

483
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 2: Missed it, missed it. I completely agree.

484
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,880
Speaker 4: So we've got these incredible actors in this film. I'm

485
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 4: gonna give you a synopsis that's a little bit longer

486
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 4: than some of the synopsis I usually give. SYNOPSI synopsoss.

487
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 3: Are you the feeling you will say all hell will

488
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 3: break loose?

489
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:28,959
Speaker 2: Oh, at least once.

490
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 4: I will absolutely say all hell breakslest because you know

491
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:38,880
Speaker 4: it does you've see in the film. So this this

492
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 4: movie is about Muriel Hesla played by Tony Collette, who's

493
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 4: this jobless, aimless Australian twenty something from a town called Porpoise.

494
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 2: Spit incredible name.

495
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 4: Actually didn't look up if that was real. That can't

496
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,919
Speaker 4: be real. I didn't look at it either, because I

497
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 4: don't want to know. If it's not real, let me

498
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,360
Speaker 4: never know. I think of Australia, where I've never been

499
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 4: but planned to go. I think of it as the

500
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 4: most magical place where towns like this can actually exist,

501
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 4: and I don't want to know if it's not real.

502
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 2: Don't tell unless the name.

503
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 4: Of the real town where it was filmed is better

504
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 4: than Porpoise spit if it's like if the real town

505
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 4: name is like fluttering Robes.

506
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 2: Can you hear my cat right now? A little bit?

507
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:27,679
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you hear it.

508
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 4: He has a lot to say about this movie. We've

509
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 4: been watching it all week.

510
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 2: Sounds delicious, it sounds like my kind of town.

511
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,680
Speaker 4: But it's this kind of seaside, you know, small beachy town.

512
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 4: And what we know about Muriel Heslop is that she

513
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 4: is obsessed with two things. She's obsessed with the band Abba,

514
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 4: and she's obsessed with weddings, so she has simultaneously photos

515
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 4: of weddings ripped from magazines and posters of Abba just

516
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 4: all over her bedroom walls. She lives their family her

517
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 4: which includes her horrible father who's a local kind of

518
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 4: low level politician, her vacant mother, which we find out

519
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 4: more about her mother as the movie goes on, and

520
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 4: a bunch of like lay about siblings, including a sister

521
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,360
Speaker 4: who sits in an armchair smoking all day. And one

522
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 4: of the only things she says until the end of

523
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 4: the film.

524
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 2: Is you're a terrible Muriel. You're a terrible, Muriel, You're

525
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 2: a terrible area.

526
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 4: And Muriel's friends also suck their like very high school

527
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 4: mean girls, especially Tanya, who's like the leader of the pack.

528
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 4: And before Muriel gets arrested at Tanya's wedding for stealing

529
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 4: the dress she's wearing to the wedding, which is how

530
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 4: this movie opens, if you want to know how dope

531
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 4: it is, she catches one of the bridesmaids and the

532
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 4: groom having sex. And when the mean girls kick Muriel

533
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 4: out of their club for not being cool enough after

534
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 4: the wedding, and then they also tell her that she

535
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 4: can join them on this vacation that they're taking. She

536
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 4: takes a job with her dad's mistress, Deirdre. Deirdre and

537
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 4: after stealing, she uses these blank checks that her dad

538
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 4: approves of her to have in order to build this business,

539
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 4: this beauty business, because it's kind of like a multi

540
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 4: level marketing sort of business.

541
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a Mary Kay meets Yeah Stam

542
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 1: goddess yeah.

543
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 4: My kind of biz. And after so she uses these

544
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 4: checks to basically go on the holiday with her friends

545
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 4: or where her friends will be. She's not with them,

546
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 4: she just shows up where they're going to be Yeah,

547
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 4: and this is where she reconnects with Ronda, who is

548
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 4: played by Rachel Griffiths. Ronda is a young woman who's

549
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 4: also from Porpoise Spit. They kind of knew each other

550
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 4: in high school. Murial was a little bit older, and

551
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 4: Ronda sort of cements their burgeoning French by telling Tanya

552
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,239
Speaker 4: about the fact that her husband cheated on her on

553
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 4: their wedding day, because Muriel of course reveals that to her,

554
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 4: that is a badass move to be, like, hey, here's

555
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 4: my new friend.

556
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 2: She's great.

557
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 4: You guys suck ps your husband cheated on you on

558
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 4: your wedding day with that lady. That right, they're standing

559
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 4: next to you at you're on vacations exactly, exactly. Yeah,

560
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 4: it was incredible. And then to top that moment off,

561
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 4: as if that moment couldn't get any better, they perform

562
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 4: Waterloo together and all hell breaks loose.

563
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 2: God exactly.

564
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 4: So the best revenge is just dancing over your enemies

565
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 4: while they fight each other on the floor. We've got

566
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 4: to redo that saying, because that is the best revenge.

567
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love this Waterloo performance too, because

568
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: they're doing they're they're doing you know, they obviously have

569
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 1: the Abba costumes, and then they do the thing that

570
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: was in like all the Abba videos where they're like

571
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: turning their heads from the side to side and like

572
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 1: looking at each other from like what is it perpendent

573
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: killer angles, like like, oh.

574
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Speaker 2: My god, I loved it so much. It was It's

575
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 2: so good to ask you real.

576
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 3: Quick, what are your thoughts on Abba?

577
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 2: Are you a fan? Are you? I'm a fan?

578
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 4: They're one of those bands that you can't help it

579
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 4: when they come on you. You know, all the lyrics

580
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 4: you just instantly get into, like moving and dancing like

581
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 4: they are just a quintessentially upbeat band for me.

582
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love the shit out of them.

583
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: Who the hell is the Abba hold out? At this point?

584
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: Like a fucking fifty five year old man who listens

585
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: to like fucking you know, Rocke and Roll or something

586
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: and hates disco or some shit, But like, honestly, like

587
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: they're the best, Like every song theyre so singable, it's

588
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: so they're so fun.

589
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 4: They rule And there's actually there's an Abba museum in Sweden.

590
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I gotta look it up. Listen, it's dope.

591
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 2: Are you ready to get on a plane?

592
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: Because I am. I'll go to the fucking Abbey Museum

593
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: right now.

594
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 4: I will not go to a gym, but I will

595
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 4: get on a plane and go to the Abba Museum yesterday.

596
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 2: Put those priorities in line.

597
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 4: I will pack seventeen masks and four blankets, and we're there.

598
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 2: I'm there.

599
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 4: I don't care if it takes me fifteen hours to

600
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 4: get I don't care how long it takes. We're going

601
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 4: to the Abba Museum. That's what we're doing for your

602
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 4: new birthday in September.

603
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly.

604
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 4: I'm not forgotten about. We are celebrating your birthday this

605
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 4: year again, for real.

606
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: I want to hear Fernando as we're landing in the airport.

607
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: Let's do it beautiful.

608
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 4: And I think that the Abba hold Out is the

609
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 4: one of the main characters in your movie. That guy, Yes,

610
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 4: that guy would be the abb Holes. Nice connections, nice

611
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 4: connection hun Yes. But they're having a blast. They're having

612
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 4: a blast, and it's so nice to see Muriel kind

613
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 4: of go from this place of just trying so desperately

614
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 4: to fit in with people that are just so awful

615
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 4: to her to finding real and true friendship. And it's

616
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 4: a beautiful moment in the movie, and it's just so

617
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 4: fun and I just I love seeing it every time

618
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 4: I see it, and their their friendship grows because when

619
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 4: Muriel finally goes home, she has stolen up to twelve

620
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 4: thousand dollars from these blank checks.

621
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 2: She's basically wiped her family out.

622
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 4: And when she finds out like her sister's like you

623
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 4: are in trouble, she just turns around, gets back in

624
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 4: her cab and leaves. And the next time we see

625
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 4: Muriel Heslop, she's changed her name to Mariel and she

626
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 4: lives in Sydney with Ronda. She's working at a video

627
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 4: store and just living her best life. It's gorgeous and

628
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 4: I love it. I think again, like this is one

629
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 4: of those situations where you know, like they're living together,

630
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 4: they're working across the street from each other. They have

631
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 4: a real rhythm to their friendship. And there are so

632
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 4: many levels of changing female friendships in this movie. So

633
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,959
Speaker 4: first we have her shitty friends, then she meets Ronda,

634
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 4: and then there's a really big plot turn when Ronda,

635
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 4: who is in the middle of a threesome with two

636
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 4: American sailors because she is fun. That whole scene is hilarious.

637
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 4: Muriel is having a really fun night with this guy Bryce,

638
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 4: who kind of comes to the video store and finally

639
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 4: asks her out after kind of stalking her a little bit.

640
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 4: And he's really sweet and they're having a great time

641
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 4: and he's like ripping her clothes off, and she's cracking up.

642
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 2: She's having so much fun.

643
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 4: And then he rips something a little too hard, breaks

644
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 4: a window, like backs into and breaks a window, and

645
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 4: then Ronda's sailors come running out naked. And when Tony

646
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 4: Collett laughs in this scene, it is like instant joy.

647
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 2: To me too. It's so good.

648
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 4: But then Ronda comes out and she's laughing and then

649
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 4: she falls down and she's like, I can't move my legs.

650
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 4: And as it turns out, she is paralyzed because she

651
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 4: has a spinal tumor and when it, you know, they

652
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 4: do surgery and she tries to walk again, but the

653
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 4: tumor comes back, the cancer comes back, so she's wheelchair

654
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 4: bound for the rest of the film, and Muriel, who

655
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 4: has been a really solid friend up to this point, panics.

656
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 4: She panics, and she decides eventually to kind of answer

657
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 4: a wanted ad. I don't know if that's what you

658
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 4: call relationships relationship ads.

659
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 2: I think they're called personals. Call them the want ad.

660
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

661
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 3: I only know that because my movie has a personal

662
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 3: ad too.

663
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, connections everywhere. So the want ads for people,

664
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 4: also known as the personal Muriel eventually answers one and

665
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 4: ends up in an arranged marriage with this South African

666
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 4: swimmer because he wants citizenship so that he can go

667
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 4: to the Olympics. So when Ronda falls ill, one of

668
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 4: the first ways that Muriel copes is by going to

669
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 4: wedding shops and lying. She tries on all these wedding

670
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 4: dresses and then lies about how her mother is in

671
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 4: the hospital getting surgery done. And the first time it happens,

672
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 4: the woman at the store just happens to say, you know,

673
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 4: your mother has to see this and takes a photo.

674
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 4: So now Muriel is going all over the city and

675
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 4: I guess Sydney is known as the city of Brides,

676
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:23,719
Speaker 4: which I didn't know.

677
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, really I think so.

678
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so she's going everywhere and getting these photos taken,

679
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 4: and she has this huge album filled with them. But

680
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 4: this is her coping mechanism, and it's almost like disassociating

681
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 4: from the life she has to the life she wants,

682
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 4: but she ends up abandoning Ronda to get married to

683
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 4: this dude, and then Ronda has to move back to Porpoise,

684
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 4: Spit to live with her mother. So we're also kind

685
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 4: of negotiating not just the change in female friendships here,

686
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 4: but also just kind of the when yourself takes over

687
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 4: or when you prioritize yourself over your friend. Because there

688
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 4: was such a tight scene where in the beginning when

689
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 4: Ronda was first sick and you know, trying to learn

690
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,439
Speaker 4: how to walk again, and Muriel says like, I'm never

691
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 4: going to leave you. You know, Ronda, you saved my life,

692
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 4: and she says this really sweet thing where she's like,

693
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 4: I don't even listen to Abba anymore because my life

694
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 4: is as good as an Abba song. Oh yeah, that

695
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 4: her life is as good as dancing Queen. And it's

696
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 4: like just so touching that, like they have this connection,

697
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 4: but she's really going through some hard shit and she's

698
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 4: a caretaker for a woman who's going through some hard shit.

699
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 4: So she panics and she leaves, and I'm just I

700
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 4: want to know what you think about that moment, Like

701
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 4: her leaving was really when I first saw the film,

702
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 4: and even now when I rewatch it, I kind of wonder, like,

703
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 4: what is that reaction all about?

704
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that a big I think

705
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: that Muriel's character is very much in doubt of her

706
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: abilities and herself at all times, right, And she's always talking.

707
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 2: I mean, she's I always try to get a job.

708
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 2: It's not working out for her.

709
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 1: Her father and her family tell her that they don't

710
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: you know, that she doesn't do anything, the brothers and

711
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: sisters don't do anything, and that there's just a bunch

712
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: of fuck up. So I think she's obviously internalized that

713
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: messaging a little bit, right, So there's a moment I

714
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 1: think where she feels that she's like, how am I

715
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: going to take care of somebody when I'm such a

716
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: fuck up and I can't handle responsibility?

717
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 2: So I think that that's maybe part of it.

718
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: I would, I would That's kind of what I was

719
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: thinking when I was watching the movie, was that she

720
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: was just flipped out about the responsibility and just the

721
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: idea that she was truly going to just like double

722
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: down on being single or at least living with her

723
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 1: friend forever. Because that I think is also another thing

724
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: that maybe motivated her. And I will say that is

725
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: a thing that I might have thought of when I

726
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 1: was maybe in my twenties, because in my twenties especially,

727
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 1: I think there was always this big question of would

728
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: I get married? A lot of people I know are

729
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: starting to do it, and so what am I doing

730
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: that might be preventing me from being like everybody else? Right,

731
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: And so I think there was a moment where she

732
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: was unsure of whether or not she wanted to truly

733
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: live this life, where she was basically like, Oh, I'm

734
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: just gonna it's gonna be me and my friend forever

735
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: in the city, and we're just gonna be like cool

736
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: and fun and awesome, and I'm just gonna give up

737
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: the idea of getting married.

738
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 2: That's true.

739
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 4: And it also now that you say that, it makes

740
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 4: me think that there are probably some vestiges of her

741
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 4: thinking about her mom. Yeah, because her mom was trapped

742
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 4: in that life. Her mom was trapped in a marriage

743
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 4: that was terrible with children who didn't respect her. And

744
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,439
Speaker 4: I'm sure that even in the back of her head,

745
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 4: even though that wasn't really translated throughout most of the film,

746
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 4: but I do think it comes through at the end

747
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 4: quite a bit that Muriel was probably afraid of that

748
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 4: and afraid of being locked in in that way.

749
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was also too like the goal.

750
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: I think her goal was that, you know, being married

751
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: means I'm lovable and means that I'm special and means that,

752
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not this all this other stuff. I'm

753
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: not irresponsible, fat, ugly a nuisance, like, you know, all

754
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: the things that all of her stupid fucking friends from

755
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: high school were telling her, and then like people in

756
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: her own family too.

757
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 2: Don't get it twisted.

758
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: But it's just that thing where like, yeah, I just

759
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: think that she just had a moment where she was

760
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: just sort of like, Okay, I don't know what this

761
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: is going to be. I love my friend, but I

762
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: also have to, like, you know, I have to see

763
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: this through, see this dream.

764
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: Of mine through or something right. And then she does.

765
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 4: She gets to a point where, you know, she does

766
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:43,439
Speaker 4: reach this dream, but it's in a way that gives

767
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 4: her the worst life possible.

768
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: So she is married.

769
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 4: She's married to David the Swimmer, and she's on the

770
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 4: outside gotten everything she wanted. You know, She's married to

771
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 4: this famous rich guy. She's on the cover of magazines,

772
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 4: but they live in separate rooms and he can barely

773
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 4: stand to look at her, and it's heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking

774
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 4: that she's given up so much, like real love and

775
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 4: affection and connection with Rohnda for this dream that is

776
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 4: the worst thing that could possibly happen to someone.

777
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: It's just a terrible way to live.

778
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 4: And she ended up kind of in the marriage that

779
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 4: her parents had, Like the husband was a superstar and

780
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 4: she was kind of a sidekick for supporting his dreams

781
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 4: and goals.

782
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, there's some real I mean this film.

783
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 4: I'm definitely not going to ruin the ending of this

784
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 4: one because I think that it is so important that

785
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 4: you see it if you haven't already. Yes, but this

786
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 4: film takes a real turn, Like there's some real roller

787
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 4: coaster moments, but I think there are certain events that

788
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 4: really catapult Muriel into reevaluating her life. And it's just

789
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:57,439
Speaker 4: a very hopeful and realistic and fun film. There's also

790
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 4: a scene where Tony Collette is where wearing a red

791
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 4: glitter dress with like a keyhole boob thing going on.

792
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 2: She has her.

793
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 4: Hair just like fan sprayed to infinity, and that is

794
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 4: a look that I will recreate the next time I

795
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 4: get to go out with friends. That's the first look

796
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 4: I'm wearing when I break Quarantine.

797
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 1: She has so many iconic looks, so many, so many

798
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: iconic looks in this movie. I love it too, I

799
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: mean honestly, Like it's one of those movies where you

800
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: know nobody understands you, like your best friend, Like like

801
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: all these people outside of this friendship are going to

802
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: pressure you to be somebody else. But I love you

803
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: just the way you are and don't change because you're amazing.

804
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: And it's just that that's a great sentiment to watch

805
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: in a movie. Like every time I see a movie

806
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: that has this kind of message at the core, I'm.

807
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 2: Like, Yes, I love this movie. It makes me so happy.

808
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 3: You got great people in it.

809
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: Abba is all over the place, like I said, and

810
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: all the good all the good songs, all the good ones.

811
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yes, watch this movie. This is a film.

812
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 4: I could watch it again and again and again. I

813
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 4: can't wait to watch it when I'm like sixty and

814
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 4: thinking about how life has gone and how my friendships are.

815
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 4: And it's a it's a banger. It's a banger of

816
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 4: a film, and it introduced me and the world to

817
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 4: Tony Kollett and Rachel griff.

818
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 2: What a gift. Yeah, I love it. Beautiful o Kidoki.

819
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: So my movie for this week for the theme of

820
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: changing female friendships is a movie from two thousand and one.

821
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: It was directed by Terry's Wagoff and it's called Ghost World.

822
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 2: Sometimes I think I might be going crazy from sexual frustration.

823
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 2: You just hate every single guy in the face of

824
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 2: the earth, That's that true. I just hate all these extroverted,

825
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 2: pseudo bohemian losers. You guys go for some reggae to I.

826
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: All right, I'm probably like too passionate about this movie

827
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: to really talk about it on this podcast, but you

828
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: know what, here it goes right, Oh my god, when

829
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: this movie came out, I swear to God.

830
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 2: I mean I always talk about this.

831
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: Maybe this is not helpful for anybody but me, but

832
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: I always like to talk about like where I was

833
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 1: at when I first saw this movie. And I saw

834
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: this movie at the old Lafonte Garden Hills Theater in Atlanta, Georgia,

835
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 1: beloved by all of the real atl Heads.

836
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 4: It was like Aliens Aliens, remember Garden Hills.

837
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 2: It was like the big art house and there was

838
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 2: a chain.

839
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: Actually, the Lafont Theaters is a really memorable, amazing chain

840
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: of movie theaters in Atlanta that I think all of

841
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: them are gone by this point.

842
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 3: But Garden Hills was the one. It was in Buckhead.

843
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: It was in this like, you know, kind of snooty neighborhood,

844
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: but it was like, you know, you went and saw

845
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: your art films there, and then you went next door

846
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: in ate pizza at Fellini's.

847
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 2: That's how you know.

848
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 3: And then there was also a record store that you

849
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 3: went to.

850
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: But anyway, whatever, now I'm getting this is not about

851
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: Atlanta or is it.

852
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 2: But you know, I saw it the week.

853
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: That it came out, and I went back to see

854
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: it like three year four times by the time it

855
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: left the theater.

856
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 2: I loved it so much.

857
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,919
Speaker 1: That when Scarlett Johanson became like a famous movie star,

858
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: I felt this pang of unreasonable bitterness about it, Like

859
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: I was like, how dare you take Rebecca from Gross

860
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 1: World and now she's in Marvel movies?

861
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,439
Speaker 2: Like I was. I mean, listen, it ain't gry. I'm

862
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 2: just being honest about how I felt.

863
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: But this movie was based off of the comic what

864
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: was written by Dan Klaus who I'm also like a

865
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: big fan of. And it was directed by Terry's Wygoff,

866
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 1: who was probably best known for directing the documentary Crumb,

867
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: which is about the comic book artist Ar Crumb. Terry's

868
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: Wygoff and Dan Klaus wrote the screenplay for Ghost World,

869
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: And honestly, you maybe can't pare two better people to

870
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: do a.

871
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 2: Movie like this in my opinion, he just really can't.

872
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 4: I mean in terms of like style and just content,

873
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 4: and yeah, I don't know that you can.

874
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine these two not doing this movie,

875
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: Like if it was like Dan Klou's and like Ridley Scott.

876
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 2: No, I'm kidding, I don't.

877
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: Know someone like it couldn't be anybody but Terry's Waggoff.

878
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 2: In my opinion, I don't even know.

879
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 4: Here's close. Here's the pitch. Daniel day Lewis, Paul Thomas Anderson,

880
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 4: ghost World. Yeah, Daniel d Lewis has gone full method.

881
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 2: Listen pta is.

882
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: Actually I would not that he has any intention of

883
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: remaking Gross World, but I would like to see him

884
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: take a crack at it in my wildest dreams. So

885
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, But so this movie is about Enid

886
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: and Rebecca, who are played by Thora Birch and Scarlett Johanson,

887
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: and they are two friends who are graduating from high

888
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: school and they're basically like the freaks of their school.

889
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: They are extremely tuned in to like who's phony and

890
00:43:55,440 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: who's not phony. They're just smarter than everybody else. They

891
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: have an appreciation for like old things forgotten culture. They

892
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: love fellow weirdos and underdogs, and they're just they're interpreting

893
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: the world from this like outsider perspective and they just

894
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: have this like banter or this running commentary throughout the

895
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 1: film that's just directed in everyone they come across, right, and.

896
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 2: It's just always so.

897
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: Biting and spot on. I mean, they just like read

898
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: people to filth every moment, right, And like that to

899
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: me is just like I mean, I'm just like, oh,

900
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: there are these two high school girls who are literally

901
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: just like smarter than everyone around them, and they know

902
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: it and they're very observant, and.

903
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 3: It just really speaks to me, like I just really.

904
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 4: Just speak first movie, I thought they're assholes. This is awesome,

905
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 4: Like it was nice because every time we like back

906
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 4: in the in two thousand and one, you were seeing

907
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 4: teenage girls as like either lovesick puppies or somehow they

908
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 4: were already assassins, like there was no in between. And

909
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 4: so I love seeing just like normal girls being assholes.

910
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: Oh and the and like again, we've talked about this before.

911
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: This is the fucking Britney spears in sync era. You know,

912
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: We've we've mentioned like feminism was kind of like down

913
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: a couple of notches, you know, on the cultural ladder,

914
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: and we and it.

915
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 2: Was just a rough time.

916
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: And so when these two come kicking the door in,

917
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, holy shit, Like this is like not Mandy Moore,

918
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: this is not Christinea Aguilera.

919
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 2: This is like, this is what I need right now.

920
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 2: I need it.

921
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: And you know, I think Enid of the two, she's

922
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 1: really the one, right because yeah, she really has no

923
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: time for normies and the sort of like lame and

924
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: dull genses of normies quote unquote like bad pop music

925
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: and chain restaurants and chain video stores.

926
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 2: Like she's just.

927
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: Enid is happy to be cloistered in her world of

928
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: like cool things with her best friend Rebecca, who's the

929
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: only person that gets it and gets her right right,

930
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: And you can tell this is how they got through

931
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 1: high school and now they're graduated or they're about to graduate,

932
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: and they're just extremely ready to move on, Like they

933
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: don't want to go to college.

934
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 2: They just want to get.

935
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: An apartment together in the city, much like in Muriel's wedding,

936
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: and they're just gonna live together forever, presumably right right.

937
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 2: However, Enid finds.

938
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:41,439
Speaker 1: Out that she needs to go to summer school before

939
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: she can officially graduate. And the thing about Enid is

940
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: that I feel like, out of her and Rebecca, she's

941
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: the one I think she is kind of still in

942
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 1: not high school mode in many ways, Like even though

943
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: she wants to move on and not be around these

944
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,919
Speaker 1: assholes anymore or whatever, I mean, she is still kind

945
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 1: of carrying that result from high school. And I don't

946
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: know if she's like really ready to move on from it.

947
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: Like she she's making fun of people to their face.

948
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 2: She doesn't want to get a job.

949
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: She just wants to run around town doing like fun, crazy,

950
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: wild stuff. She wants to terrorize this kid that they

951
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: both have crushes on, who you know is brad Renfro

952
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: who works at the convenience store, And she just wants

953
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: to be how they've always been, like just running around

954
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: making fun of everybody and that's it.

955
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 4: And what's strange about that too is that it comes

956
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 4: with it turns into a kind of aimlessness for her

957
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 4: that is hard to watch, you know, I think at this,

958
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 4: especially at this point in my life, because I identify

959
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 4: with that, like when you don't want to do the

960
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 4: thing that everyone's doing, or you know, you have this

961
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 4: goal and this dream to move in with your best friend,

962
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 4: but you have no idea how you're going to make

963
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 4: it happen in real life. That's a central point of

964
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 4: the conflict for her in this film.

965
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 2: And the thing that's.

966
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: Interesting about Rebecca is that she can sort of manage

967
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: in the gen pop if you will, right Like, she

968
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: is the one that starts to kind of wonder if

969
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 1: their attitude towards the world.

970
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 3: Is like no longer serving her the way that it

971
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 3: used to.

972
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: Right right Like Rebecca is she's got crushes on guys

973
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 1: her age who weren't like cool by their standards whatsoever,

974
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: like you know, jocks and like the dumb guy that's like, hey,

975
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: want to listen to some reggae and night like She's she's.

976
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 2: Kind of moving out of that.

977
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: She's trying to move out of those kind of like

978
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: strict parameters of like who they who they can hang

979
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 1: out with, and who they should date. And she recognizes

980
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: that she needs to get a job in order to

981
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 1: pay for the apartment that they will live in.

982
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 2: And she and.

983
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 1: Because of that, she has to mingle with quote unquote normies,

984
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,479
Speaker 1: like all the other people in the world that they've

985
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: always hated forever. She just can't sit around making fun

986
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: of everyone all day and being smug about it.

987
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 4: And she also has to like go and look for

988
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 4: the apartments because the eni's not doing it.

989
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she needs to go to Creighton Barrel and

990
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: by some cups.

991
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 2: You know, like all the shit that world market. Yeah.

992
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 4: I am, by the way, genuinely drinking my tea out

993
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 4: of a mug that I purchased at peer one in

994
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety five when I moved out there.

995
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: We go, hey peer one in ninety five. It's a

996
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 1: good air for peer one.

997
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 4: It's a mug that's the size of a suit bowl,

998
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 4: and I fucking love it.

999
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 3: Oh God, I love it too. God I miss that shit.

1000
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: Okay, So one day eat It and Rebecca are like

1001
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: fucking around in the personals right because again, like I

1002
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: don't know how young some of you guys are, But

1003
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 1: did you realize that people used to put out personal ads.

1004
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 2: In the newspaper? We even talked about it in our

1005
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 2: first episode.

1006
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: That's right, and they come across a misconnection, which is

1007
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: another thing I don't know if people really do much anymore,

1008
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: is that there used to be like a whole section

1009
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: of Craigslist that was misconnections.

1010
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 2: Is that still around? I don't know. But it was

1011
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 2: also like it kind of started in the alt weeklies.

1012
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly, And I used to love reading, you know,

1013
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 3: by the way.

1014
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was always like, are they about me?

1015
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the fuck? How is everybody noticing me

1016
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: and never approaching me?

1017
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 4: I knew they were never about me because it wasn't like,

1018
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 4: are you a six foot, pale black person with freckles? Like,

1019
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 4: there's no way to not describe me in a way

1020
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 4: that I would understand who it was about. So I'm like,

1021
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 4: this ain't about me, It's about some tiny lady on

1022
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 4: the goddamn bus. No.

1023
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: But they were always super fucking vague. They were like

1024
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: you sitting with a coffee in a book, like, okay,

1025
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 1: that's like literally everybody fuckers. Anyway, So there they were

1026
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 1: looking at the misconnections in the back of the paper

1027
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 1: and they see an ad from somebody and as a joke,

1028
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: they called a number, and you know.

1029
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 2: They basically tell the person, Hey, I'm.

1030
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: The lady you're looking for, Like it was something about

1031
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: a content like I hope you find her contact lens

1032
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: and she's like and Edith kind of pretends to be

1033
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: here and says, oh yah, my contact lens or whatever,

1034
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: and they and they kind of cruelly, you know, I

1035
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: have to admit it was cruel. They make a fake

1036
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: date with the guy just to see who turns up, right,

1037
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: because they're still in that mode of like they're like

1038
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: fascinated by weirdos and weird scenarios and like six shops

1039
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: and danger and that kind of shit, which is to

1040
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: me a very a very high school thing. I was

1041
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 1: very much into that too. But it turns out that

1042
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: the guy shows up a Seymour and he's played by

1043
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: Steve Buscemi. And Seymour is this like nebbish single, middle

1044
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: aged record nerd. Yeah, we know the type, and some

1045
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: days I wonder if I'm the type.

1046
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 2: But that's what that is for another time.

1047
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: But for Eatid in particular, right, Seymour is fascinating to her,

1048
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: and she and Rebecca show up to his yard sale

1049
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: the next day after they played this like shitty joke

1050
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: on him, and you know, basically he's selling his fucking

1051
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:56,280
Speaker 1: seventy eights, his old blue seventy eights and forty five's

1052
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: and she and she interacts with him, and then they

1053
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: kind of develop a friend even though he's much older

1054
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: than her, and and in time he kind of becomes

1055
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: her like outsider hero. And you know, the funny thing

1056
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:12,720
Speaker 1: is that he kind of keeps telling her like throughout

1057
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 1: the movie, like, hey, listen, I am your future.

1058
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 3: You do not want to be trust me on this.

1059
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: Because you know, when it comes down to it, you know,

1060
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: he's lonely and he wants love, but he knows he's

1061
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: a nerd and he cannot help it, and.

1062
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 4: He doesn't want to change it. He doesn't want to

1063
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 4: change it, which respect he.

1064
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: Is like I'm wearing my lumbar support, I'm getting my psiiasis.

1065
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 2: Male, this is who I am.

1066
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: I can't help it, right, but I will say the

1067
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: thing that they do connect with is that you know,

1068
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: they both have like zero tolerance for like any kind

1069
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: of mass marketed pop culture crap, and they that shared

1070
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 1: disgust with sort of lame people and like, you know, yeah,

1071
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,280
Speaker 1: whatever is going on in the world that's.

1072
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 3: Not old things and old music and whatnot.

1073
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, Ena definitely sees them as kind of like

1074
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: her goal in terms of being like, here's this like older, cool,

1075
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: weird person that I can look up to. So, you know,

1076
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: as she spends more time with Seymour, like her and

1077
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: Rebecca's friendship starts kind of becoming less of a priority,

1078
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: and you know, and every time you meet up, you

1079
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 1: can tell there's this tension because you know, at this point,

1080
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: Rebecca is working at like a Starbucks type place, and

1081
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:30,240
Speaker 1: again she's sort of like she's dealing with the public

1082
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: and she's coming up with these sort of action items

1083
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: for them to like move into the apartment, while Enid

1084
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: is sort of being cagy about it all, and she's

1085
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: and she doesn't want to like plan and go to

1086
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: the store and figure out how to get the money

1087
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: to pay the deposit, like she's just not interested.

1088
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 4: She gets the kind of jobs that she gets fired

1089
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 4: on the first day.

1090
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

1091
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: She like gets the movie theater job at like the

1092
00:53:56,560 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: the uh whatever, the multiplex, and she's like, yeah, terrible

1093
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 1: at it.

1094
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 2: She can't.

1095
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 3: She cannot help telling people to their face that they're stupid.

1096
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 2: Have you ever worked in a movie theater?

1097
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 1: I have, Actually I worked at my college movie theater,

1098
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 1: but that does not mean it was not the not

1099
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: a multiplex.

1100
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 2: No, but you worked at one. That's cool. I never

1101
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 2: knew that.

1102
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 1: But you know, I think when it comes down to it,

1103
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: you know, they're kind of drifting apart, and you know,

1104
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: Rebecca's basically like, yo, I just can't. I don't have

1105
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: the luxury to sit around and make fun of people

1106
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: to their face anymore. Like I have to play it

1107
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 1: nice if I want to like exist in this world,

1108
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: because that's how you. You can't just like get fired

1109
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: from jobs because you tell people that their popcorn is disgusting. Right,

1110
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: And the most interesting part for me is that there

1111
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: is a point where Seymour does hear from the real

1112
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: lady in his personal ad and they kind of start dating.

1113
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you, she's exactly a type of

1114
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,839
Speaker 1: person that Enid really hates. She's like a blonde real

1115
00:54:55,960 --> 00:55:03,280
Speaker 1: estate agent, like just an extrovert who buys more bad jeans.

1116
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 2: She buys a mom jeans. God, that moment for me

1117
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god.

1118
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: Yes, the guy that walks in wearing the new bad

1119
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:12,919
Speaker 1: jeans and.

1120
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 4: His response, like his reaction is just like well, what

1121
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 4: do I know about clothes?

1122
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 2: And it's like, oh man, oh no, I know.

1123
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 1: It's like wow, this is all very grim for everybody involved.

1124
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: But I think that if this is at this moment

1125
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: that Enid is really starting to feel abandoned by like

1126
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:36,399
Speaker 1: all these old reliables in her life who truly get her.

1127
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 1: And you know, that feeling of being an outsider or

1128
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: like a freak or something, and and when you finally

1129
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: find your people who understand you in this way, like

1130
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 1: it's very powerful. And the thing about it is that

1131
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: I just feel like Rebecca is definitely like I cannot

1132
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: be this master level misanthrope.

1133
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 2: I just can't do it anymore.

1134
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:01,839
Speaker 1: And it's and even Seymour is saying, yeah, I mean,

1135
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: at a certain point, in order for me to get

1136
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: what I want, which is that I want a relationship,

1137
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 1: I want love, I have to wear the bad jeans

1138
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: like I have to do.

1139
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're both people who are willing to. They don't

1140
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 4: see it as a compromise. They see it as an

1141
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 4: evolution of who they need to be to be in

1142
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 4: the world, and Enid does not at all.

1143
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: And you know, ultimately this movie takes just a really

1144
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: interesting turn with Enid and Seymour, which basically starts with

1145
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 1: this like remedial art class that she has to take

1146
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 1: to graduate, and oh god, it's taught by this like

1147
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: kind of whacked out Calie style art teacher named Roberta,

1148
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: who is played by Ileana Douglas.

1149
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 2: I love her.

1150
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 3: She's my favorite character in this movie. I swear to god.

1151
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: Well, besides you know, the guy outside of the Communita

1152
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: store we'll talk about in.

1153
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 2: Just a second, but she's my favorite character in the movie.

1154
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: And it's like she's like got this personal video art

1155
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: that she shows the class and it's just like a

1156
00:56:56,239 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: doll being thrown into like a toilet, and she's just saying, mirror, mirror.

1157
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 2: It's fucking so funny to me.

1158
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: And I have to say this, like Iliano works for

1159
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 1: TCM sometimes, and so I remember when I first met her,

1160
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: I literally like walked up to her with like the

1161
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 1: biggest eyes and I said, I am obsessed with your

1162
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: character ghost World, like and she just kind of looked

1163
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: at me and laughed and she thanked me or whatever.

1164
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 1: But it was that thing where I was like, you

1165
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: don't even understand how long I've been waiting to talk

1166
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: to you about.

1167
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 2: This this character. Oh my god, and she's like I

1168
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 2: worked on that movie for three days. Crazy woman was hot.

1169
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 2: She was very nice about it, but but I felt

1170
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 2: like a freak.

1171
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 4: She's a fantastic actress.

1172
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 2: Oh she's the best, the best.

1173
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, so she's taking this art class and you know,

1174
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: she's very talented. Of course, I mean she's obviously like

1175
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: she's and she's got great taste. So it's that thing

1176
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: where you're like, oh my god, she's she's awesome. And

1177
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: of course everybody else in the class are like these

1178
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: like you know, kind of weird kids, and they all

1179
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: kind of have this sort of like lame view of

1180
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: what like problematic or confrontational art is, because that's like

1181
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: Roberta's whole fascination. It was like provocative art and like

1182
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: making a statement and blah blah blah blah. So one night,

1183
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 1: Seymour shows Enid this incredibly racist, horrible sign that was

1184
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 1: made by the company that he works for, that you

1185
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: know was made in the early part of the twentieth century,

1186
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: you know, and it was basically it's like a horrible

1187
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: image and Enid asks to borrow it and brings it

1188
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:37,919
Speaker 1: to the class as her kind of like confrontational art, right,

1189
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: and then eventually it gets shown in a gallery and

1190
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: from that point on it sets off this whole chain

1191
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: of events, you know, where things start happening for Enid

1192
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: and Seymour and Rebecca, and it just sort of changes

1193
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: the nature of end in Seymour's relationship, which I'm not

1194
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 1: gonna spoil because just I feel like a lot of

1195
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: people have seen this movie and it won't be a spoiler,

1196
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: but also maybe people have it, so I will, yeah,

1197
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: I won't do that well.

1198
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 4: And also this is a point where Enid is. This

1199
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 4: is to me almost a it's like a point of

1200
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 4: time for her where there was a crossroads that was

1201
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 4: presented and she could have gone down one way, she

1202
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 4: could have gotten the other, and she chose the path

1203
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 4: of kind of doubling down on who she is and

1204
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 4: doubling down on that kind of you know, sort of

1205
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 4: needly asshole ish, sort of like I'm right about things

1206
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 4: sort of personality.

1207
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 2: And it bitter in the ass.

1208
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's exactly I think the point for me

1209
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 1: that is interesting in this movie because I know that

1210
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 1: that Enid had Seymour's friendship is obviously a big part

1211
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: of this movie, but the one that she has with

1212
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 1: Rebecca is the one that affected me the most, right definitely, because.

1213
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 3: She is doubling down right, and Rebecca isn't.

1214
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: Rebecca's like no, we like, we can't beat this anymore,

1215
00:59:56,320 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: Like I have to evolve and you know, so who

1216
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:05,479
Speaker 1: cannot relate to that situation where like one person wants

1217
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: everything to stay the same and the other person is like,

1218
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta grow, I gotta evolve, and you know,

1219
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: and that's a common theme in these female friendship movies.

1220
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 1: Obviously it certainly was the last time we did this theme.

1221
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: But I think here with with Rebecca and Edid, like

1222
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 1: especially in what they share, just that like really bitter

1223
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: contempt for people with essentially people that have bad taste

1224
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: when it comes down to it, right, And just the

1225
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 1: idea that the movie is just constantly giving you these

1226
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 1: like perfect examples of what they mean, right, Like it

1227
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:46,439
Speaker 1: really just knocks me over. It really solidifies like who

1228
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: they are to each other because they're this.

1229
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 3: There's sort of this intelligent about what they.

1230
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 1: Don't like, and it isn't just this broad like oh

1231
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 1: my god, we hate losers, and like, you know, we

1232
01:00:58,560 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 1: hate the popular kids.

1233
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 3: Know, they literally hate like everybody.

1234
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:03,480
Speaker 1: There are so many characters that are coming to this

1235
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: movie that are fucking hilarious to me. Like there's first

1236
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: of all, the guy with the piano scarf that's like

1237
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 1: always scamming the free coffee for the trivia.

1238
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you worked in a coffee shop. Did you guys

1239
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 2: have trivia?

1240
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 4: Hell no, I'm like, get your coffee and keep it moving, buddy.

1241
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 4: I worked at a coffee I've worked at several coffee shops.

1242
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 4: But I used to work at a coffee shop in

1243
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 4: a mall, and there were people who were like hang

1244
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 4: out in the mall every day. Yeah, and they'd come

1245
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 4: over and like hang out at the coffee shop, and

1246
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 4: I'm just like, you gotta go, Like, you gotta keep

1247
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 4: it moving. There are any chairs here for a fucking reason, dude, Go, dude.

1248
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 1: I worked in coffee very briefly, right after college, maybe

1249
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 1: like three or four months.

1250
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 3: I worked at a Cariboo coffee.

1251
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1252
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 1: We had a fucking trivia question that changed every day.

1253
01:01:56,600 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 1: We offered ten cents off, which I was like, this.

1254
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 2: Is insulting, it's not even worth it.

1255
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 4: I worked at a Gloria Jeans when I worked in

1256
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 4: the mall, and Glory Jeans won't have time for it.

1257
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 4: They're like, how about you buy our coffee, will be

1258
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 4: nice to you while you're here.

1259
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 2: But then you got stug go Shane got time.

1260
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 4: For no trivia, Glory Jean's not about trivia. They're like, Hi,

1261
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 4: have our cookies? Have our have our snacks? Have our coffee?

1262
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 2: Peace?

1263
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think I could have handled the trivia

1264
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 4: question every day.

1265
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this and this is the thing too about

1266
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: like the Eden and Rebecca sort of conversation when this

1267
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 1: guy like Edith is like man like go rules, he's

1268
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 1: so weird and like he's like he's fucking weird. And

1269
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 1: Rebecca's like, you can't work a job like this, like

1270
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: do you see people like this every day that are

1271
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 1: just like.

1272
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 4: And he comes he comes in with a laptop like

1273
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 4: he he looks at the question, comes in with a laptop,

1274
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 4: looks it up and answers like he's fully scamming the system. Yes,

1275
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 4: and you cannot say anything to him because he's a customer.

1276
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's shamelessly getting a freak coffee every day by cheating.

1277
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 2: Especially right to look it up. Oh my god, it's

1278
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 2: so it's that thing.

1279
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 1: It's like, oh my god, like besides him and besides

1280
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: Blues Hammer, which.

1281
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 2: Oh, do not get me started.

1282
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 1: Okay, I every I know it's coming, literally every time

1283
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 1: I see the movie, But the.

1284
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 2: Minute they're like, you ready for some real down home.

1285
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 1: Delta blues, and the guys just starts singing the like song.

1286
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 2: He sings a song about picking cottons.

1287
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:35,919
Speaker 4: He looks like Zach Morris from Saved by the Bell

1288
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 4: and he's singing a song about picking cotton.

1289
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 1: I scream, like every time. I know it's common, but

1290
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I'm gonna scream at Blues Hammer because

1291
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 1: they're so ridiculous.

1292
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 4: Something I thought about when I first saw the film,

1293
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 4: and something that I still think about, is what is

1294
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 4: this movie trying to say about race? Because I don't know,

1295
01:03:56,760 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 4: Like they've got this complicated poster from way that Edia

1296
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 4: is bringing into present date as a controversial piece of art.

1297
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 4: They've got Blues Hammer saying about you know, Del's blues

1298
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 4: and they're just like, again, could not look more preppy,

1299
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 4: And it's possibly not trying to say anything about race,

1300
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 4: but it is, whether it likes it or not. And

1301
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 4: so it's kind of interesting to me that every time

1302
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 4: I watch it, you know, because I've seen it several times,

1303
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 4: and every time I watch it, I'm like, what are

1304
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 4: they trying to say here? Because I still don't know.

1305
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting because the Steve Buchemi character, the only

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01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 1: reason why he's at the blues Hammer show is because

1307
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 1: an actual black blues artist is playing.

1308
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 3: He's opening for blues Hammer, And there's.

1309
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 1: A moment where Steve b Shemy's like, this is fucking insane,

1310
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 1: like why is this happening? Like and this is consulting,

1311
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 1: this entire bar is watching sports, why this guy is performing,

1312
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 1: like you know, and it's set moment where yeah, I

1313
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 1: think that it's more about I mean, in that moment,

1314
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 1: it's obviously about his reverence for black music and for

1315
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 1: his appreciation for it, and then it just gets like

1316
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: completely white washed by these like you know, this fucking

1317
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 1: blues Hammer band that takes the thing that he loves

1318
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 1: that's very pure and original and like bastardizes it for

1319
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:13,800
Speaker 1: like the bar sports bar people right right, and they're like, oh,

1320
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 1: they're real blues, you know.

1321
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 2: They're just like, oh.

1322
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 4: God, when that woman sits down next to Seymour and

1323
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 4: is like, oh you like blues, You're gonna love blues.

1324
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 2: Hammer, They're real blues. And he's just like I am

1325
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 2: in hell. Yeah.

1326
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 4: And he and Enid connect on that point, like he

1327
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 4: definitely is the older version of He is the specter

1328
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 4: of what Enid could become, because he is absolutely like

1329
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 4: I hate everything, I hate everyone in this bar. I

1330
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 4: now remember why I never go out Like this is

1331
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 4: some bullshit to have to deal with these people.

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01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And I just think as they're both kind

1333
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 1: of collectors of old things, right, old things are a

1334
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 1: lot of times from a different time.

1335
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 2: Right.

1336
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 1: Old things are from a different time where things were

1337
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 1: not right. And I think that was kind of her

1338
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 1: point when she wanted to make her big artistic statement,

1339
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 1: which is that was like, oh, guess, like, you know,

1340
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 1: this is like confrontational because we don't you know, racism

1341
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 1: is more an inside job and it's not so much

1342
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 1: like out in the open anymore, you know. But even

1343
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 1: that felt a little not really thought out very well.

1344
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:21,919
Speaker 4: You know, no, because it's still that very strange thing,

1345
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 4: which again I've recognized in this recent viewing. It's still

1346
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 4: that very strange thing of someone who doesn't even have

1347
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 4: a concept of fully what happened and how it impacts

1348
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 4: our world wanting to take a snippet of it and

1349
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 4: use it for their own benefit. So it's like, as

1350
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 4: a young white woman, she's able to take this photo

1351
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 4: and say it's controversial and it's about this, and it's

1352
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 4: you know, I'm using it for my benefit to showcase

1353
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 4: not only my thought process as an artist, but to

1354
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 4: show you a part of the world that I think

1355
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 4: is fucked up, that we haven't left behind. And it's like, okay,

1356
01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 4: but in your regular life, Enid, you know, what are

1357
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 4: you doing about combating racism? You know, decolonizing your fucking shit?

1358
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 4: Like it's it's that it's like, I don't know that

1359
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:10,440
Speaker 4: this is I don't think this is meant to be, again,

1360
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 4: a big film about race, but I think it is

1361
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 4: making all of these different commentaries about it, whether it

1362
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 4: likes it or not, And that's one of them, which

1363
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 4: is like, you know, how how Enid is using this

1364
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 4: to her own benefit without fully understanding what she's talking about.

1365
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, I felt like her doing this seemed

1366
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 1: to be kind of a symptom of just being a

1367
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 1: young person that just wants to be provocative but not

1368
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 1: really understanding why, or like that she's not really interrogating

1369
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 1: it enough. And I, unfortunately I can understand that, like

1370
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:43,240
Speaker 1: when I was a young person, that I would, you know,

1371
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 1: stop around in combat boots and be like, I fucking

1372
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 1: hate the government.

1373
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 3: But I'm like, do I I don't even know what

1374
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 3: I'm talking about.

1375
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 2: I'm just saying.

1376
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 1: Loud things because I want to appear to be a

1377
01:07:55,800 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 1: contrarian or you know, a shitster or you know, I'm

1378
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 1: just doing the things that I understood as being transgressive

1379
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 1: or weird or whatever. But then you know, if you

1380
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 1: actually sat there and thought about what you're saying, you

1381
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to formulate a fucking opinion. Like if

1382
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 1: anybody took me to task on why I hate the

1383
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 1: government when I was at seventeen, I'd be like, oh,

1384
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 1: because Karl Marx, I don't know, I have a book,

1385
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:27,240
Speaker 1: I haven't attracted yet, you know, or like whatever, you

1386
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 1: know completely, So yeah, that to me is kind of.

1387
01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 3: Like what I saw her as doing in that moment.

1388
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's very true, and it's still provocative. It's

1389
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 4: still a provocative character for that reason that it's like

1390
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 4: there's even years later, there's so many ways that you

1391
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 4: can pick up on these beats of like this is

1392
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 4: what it's like when you feel stuck and when you

1393
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 4: feel like you have something to say and you either

1394
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:51,800
Speaker 4: don't have an outlet for it or you don't know

1395
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 4: how to say it and you're trying to kind of

1396
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 4: rectify your future with your past, and it's a lot.

1397
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:59,000
Speaker 4: It's a lot that he's going through in this film.

1398
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:01,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, And like, you know, a lot of

1399
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 1: this is about just sort of like she just feels

1400
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:09,240
Speaker 1: so misunderstood by everybody, and you can tell she like

1401
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 1: lashes out at people who who don't get her, like

1402
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 1: when she goes to the fucking zine store and those

1403
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 1: like super acerbic like punk rock dudes that work at

1404
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 1: the zine store, or like making fun of her for

1405
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:23,320
Speaker 1: dressing like a Cyndi lauper or whatever.

1406
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:24,559
Speaker 2: He's like, what is this city lapper?

1407
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 1: And she's like, no, this is an original nineteen seventy

1408
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 1: seven punk look. And they're like, uh, this is lame,

1409
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 1: like she feels so betrayed by them.

1410
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, because she's like, oh, like, here are my city people.

1411
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 1: Here are my like you know, cool punk rock guys,

1412
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 1: and they like are making fun of me, and yeah,

1413
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 1: so there's that moment where she just feels misunderstood, and honestly, like,

1414
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:47,599
Speaker 1: that's the whole thing with her and Rebecca is that

1415
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 1: Rebecca's the one person that gets her and now she's

1416
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 1: starting not to get her and Eni is.

1417
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 2: Kind of acting out about it.

1418
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 1: And I think that's why she kind of gravitates towards

1419
01:09:56,920 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 1: Seymour because she's like, well, at least he's around to

1420
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 1: kind of understand what I'm doing.

1421
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:04,679
Speaker 2: Not even her dad, Bob Balaban can help.

1422
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 1: And he's so nice, I know, but I gotta tell you,

1423
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, that is a giant jar of jelly.

1424
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 2: And I don't know why I'm disgusted by that, but

1425
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:15,639
Speaker 2: I just am just the texture, just the gloop sound.

1426
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 1: This is the gloopiness, the gloopiness of jelly in it.

1427
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 1: You are also, I would be remiss if I did

1428
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:26,640
Speaker 1: not mention that dude outside of the gas station and

1429
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 1: he's like fucking doing nun shucks in the parking Lot.

1430
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 4: Like, what I love about that character is that he

1431
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:41,639
Speaker 4: absolutely reminds me of every boy I grew up with,

1432
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 4: but he just got taller and didn't grow in any

1433
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 4: other way. I love that character because you're like, you

1434
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 4: have been this hyper since you were four years old.

1435
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:54,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, he is a metal head who.

1436
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 1: Stayed a metal head, and he was just a loud mouthed,

1437
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:05,480
Speaker 1: beef jerky eating nunchuck guy.

1438
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 4: Who hangs out at the convenience store all day. There's

1439
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 4: this point where brad Renfro was like, I work here

1440
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 4: and he's here more than me.

1441
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 2: Like Josh is like, I don't get it.

1442
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:18,800
Speaker 4: He's also seeing his future and he does not like

1443
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 4: it at all.

1444
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 2: Wow.

1445
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:24,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone in this film is suffering from some kind

1446
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 1: of onwee about where the fuck they are?

1447
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:27,599
Speaker 2: Like where?

1448
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 1: And the funny thing is is that it was filmed

1449
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 1: in la and there was I mean, and I guess

1450
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 1: maybe now because I live there, you know, it's that

1451
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 1: thing where I'm like, oh, I totally know, like the

1452
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 1: vibe of this place. I mean it was basically like

1453
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 1: before before I ever lived there, like I didn't know

1454
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 1: where they were at. I guess I was like, is

1455
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:46,640
Speaker 1: this Ohio, I don't know, but now that I'm like,

1456
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:50,360
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I see, this is like those parts of

1457
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:51,679
Speaker 1: La Yep.

1458
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 2: I could see this guy in the parking lot for sure,

1459
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 2: and it's it's great.

1460
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 4: It's great. It's a great film. I love the fact

1461
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:04,599
Speaker 4: that they live in apartments, that it's not like they

1462
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:06,720
Speaker 4: live in houses, because that's another side of la that

1463
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 4: you don't really get to see, or at least at

1464
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 4: the time, you weren't seeing that very often in these

1465
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 4: kinds of films. But there's like two high school kids

1466
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 4: living in apartments with their families, trying to get by,

1467
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 4: trying to think about who they want to be and

1468
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 4: how they can be it, and it's just it's great.

1469
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 2: It holds up. Yeah.

1470
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 1: And when it comes down to it, I think about myself,

1471
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 1: you know, as you always do, because you're always like,

1472
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:28,720
Speaker 1: are you an eat It or Rebecca? I mean, I know,

1473
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:31,799
Speaker 1: I just said I'm a Seymour, But honestly I've been both.

1474
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 1: Like I've been eat It where, you know, for whatever reason,

1475
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 1: like a friend of mine wanted to move on and

1476
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 1: I was like.

1477
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 3: Oh come on, but we're just still having fun here.

1478
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 1: And then I've been a Rebecca where I've been like,

1479
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 1: all right, this is no longer serving me and I

1480
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:48,680
Speaker 1: have to split, you know exactly, But yeah, I just

1481
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:52,160
Speaker 1: love this movie so much and honestly like one of

1482
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:53,719
Speaker 1: the funniest movies I've ever seen.

1483
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:57,960
Speaker 4: Truly, thank you for bringing this film back into rotation.

1484
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 2: Yes, and thank you for your film.

1485
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 1: I'm so happy that we did the recurring theme changing

1486
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:04,480
Speaker 1: female friendships.

1487
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 2: It's just always a good one.

1488
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 3: We're gonna do it again, people, don't worry.

1489
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:09,679
Speaker 2: Maybe even this year.

1490
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:11,840
Speaker 4: What if the whole rest of the year, for our

1491
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:14,160
Speaker 4: first year of this podcast, we just do themes we've

1492
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:16,679
Speaker 4: already done, Like we're back, We're doing it again.

1493
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 1: I will say this, We do have merch if you

1494
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 1: are interested in having our faces on your person, or

1495
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:30,800
Speaker 1: if you want a mug to drink coffee out of, yeah,

1496
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 1: pin stickers, the whole thing. It's over at the Exactly

1497
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 1: Right shop, which is at exactlyrightmedia dot com.

1498
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 4: And if you want even more from us, we've got

1499
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 4: a whole bunch of bonus episodes up at the Stitcher premium.

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01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 4: You can use the promo code SAW for a free month.

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01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 2: That's right.

1502
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 1: In fact, I think we have a bonus episode coming

1503
01:13:53,000 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 1: up this week, which is me talking about a movie.

1504
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:05,560
Speaker 2: And only you talking about I'm scared. It feels like

1505
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 2: a dissertation.

1506
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:10,000
Speaker 4: I'll be there with you, I will talk, but this

1507
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 4: is like, this is a movie that you need to

1508
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 4: talk about.

1509
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be defending my dissertation in front of Professor

1510
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:19,439
Speaker 1: Henderson and I'm freaking the fuck out.

1511
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:20,680
Speaker 2: What am I gonna do?

1512
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 4: And I'm going to play Miley Cyrus videos the whole time.

1513
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 2: It's gonna be great. I love it.

1514
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 4: Well. Aside from the bonus episode we have coming up

1515
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:34,919
Speaker 4: this week, what is our next week's movies?

1516
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 2: All right?

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01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 1: So the movies for next week are stand by Me

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Speaker 1: from nineteen eighty six and Deliverance from nineteen seventy two.

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Speaker 2: Ooh baby, what's the Thief? A hot one? I gotta

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Speaker 2: tell you well, We're gonna see you there, and thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for listening.

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Speaker 2: Mock one. This has been an exactly right production.

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Speaker 4: media manager is Taren Maza. Our theme songs by Tom

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